RE: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955

[Shaun Oliver]

Ok, one thing, can you charge the headset and talk on it at the same time,
like you can with the Logitech h800?


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 10:22
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955

I've been testing this headset for the last 15 minutes and am very happy
with the performance given, I can walk around my house without the headset
dropping audio or without noticing any degradition in audio quality.

The Audio 995 doesn't use Bluetooth Wireless.

The headset consists of 2 parts, the Headset itself and a dongle which plugs
into your Mac's USB port.

The headset is lightly coosioned on both ears and is comfortable though
perhaps a little heavy.

The headset contains controls for volume, track navigation with iTunes and a
Power button.

Charging of the internal battery is done via the Mini USB port located on
the left hand side.

The boom microphone swivils down and can be further adjusted to angle near
the mouth.

This headset is thoroughly recommended for Skype, Facetime though a headset
with more depth and detail would be preferred for music listening though for
$50 this headset certainly is a bargain.

zNo specific installation procedure is required and no software is necessary
to drive this headset, just plug in, charge and away you go for around 8
hours of talk.



**

Dane Trethowan
Skype: grtdane12
Phone US (213) 438-9741
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RE: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955

[Shaun Oliver]

Ah don't worry, I found it at the bottom of the message. Interesting. I'll
have to look into a couple of these.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 10:47
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955



Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862


> On 19 Feb 2014, at 10:58 am, "Shaun Oliver"  wrote:
> 
> Ok, one thing, can you charge the headset and talk on it at the same 
> time, like you can with the Logitech h800?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 10:22
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955
> 
> I've been testing this headset for the last 15 minutes and am very 
> happy with the performance given, I can walk around my house without 
> the headset dropping audio or without noticing any degradition in audio
quality.
> 
> The Audio 995 doesn't use Bluetooth Wireless.
> 
> The headset consists of 2 parts, the Headset itself and a dongle which 
> plugs into your Mac's USB port.
> 
> The headset is lightly coosioned on both ears and is comfortable 
> though perhaps a little heavy.
> 
> The headset contains controls for volume, track navigation with iTunes 
> and a Power button.
> 
> Charging of the internal battery is done via the Mini USB port located 
> on the left hand side.
> 
> The boom microphone swivils down and can be further adjusted to angle 
> near the mouth.
> 
> This headset is thoroughly recommended for Skype, Facetime though a 
> headset with more depth and detail would be preferred for music 
> listening though for
> $50 this headset certainly is a bargain.
> 
> zNo specific installation procedure is required and no software is 
> necessary to drive this headset, just plug in, charge and away you go 
> for around 8 hours of talk.
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 
> Dane Trethowan
> Skype: grtdane12
> Phone US (213) 438-9741
> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
> Mobile: +61400494862
> Fax +61397437954
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> No I don't think you can but this wasn't nor is a deal breaker for me.

The reviews I read on this headset did make a big point of this but I
thought they were over emphasising this slight irritation given that the
battery can 

RE: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi mate, if you responded to id, it didn't show up in the body of the
message.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 10:47
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955



Sent from Dane's iPhone +613400494862


> On 19 Feb 2014, at 10:58 am, "Shaun Oliver"  wrote:
> 
> Ok, one thing, can you charge the headset and talk on it at the same 
> time, like you can with the Logitech h800?
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 February 2014 10:22
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Wireless Headset For Chatting And Mac: Plantronics Audio 955
> 
> I've been testing this headset for the last 15 minutes and am very 
> happy with the performance given, I can walk around my house without 
> the headset dropping audio or without noticing any degradition in audio
quality.
> 
> The Audio 995 doesn't use Bluetooth Wireless.
> 
> The headset consists of 2 parts, the Headset itself and a dongle which 
> plugs into your Mac's USB port.
> 
> The headset is lightly coosioned on both ears and is comfortable 
> though perhaps a little heavy.
> 
> The headset contains controls for volume, track navigation with iTunes 
> and a Power button.
> 
> Charging of the internal battery is done via the Mini USB port located 
> on the left hand side.
> 
> The boom microphone swivils down and can be further adjusted to angle 
> near the mouth.
> 
> This headset is thoroughly recommended for Skype, Facetime though a 
> headset with more depth and detail would be preferred for music 
> listening though for
> $50 this headset certainly is a bargain.
> 
> zNo specific installation procedure is required and no software is 
> necessary to drive this headset, just plug in, charge and away you go 
> for around 8 hours of talk.
> 
> 
> 
> **
> 
> Dane Trethowan
> Skype: grtdane12
> Phone US (213) 438-9741
> Phone U.K. 01245 79 0598
> Phone Australia (03) 9005 8589
> Mobile: +61400494862
> Fax +61397437954
> 
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> No I don't think you can but this wasn't nor is a deal breaker for me.

The reviews I read on this headset did make a big point of this but I
thought they were over emphasising this slight irritation given that the
battery can charge very quickly and you get such a g

Re: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

[Shaun Oliver]

it's also not as secure as other browsers out there.


On 23/08/2014 06:44, Devin Prater wrote:

Well, I'd like to find a browser that doesn't do all that.


On Aug 22, 2014, at 16:03, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

Safari is clunky at best.

1. it crashes on the most basic sites.

2. It tends to lag on teh simplest of sites

3. It is bloated and is a resources hog when you don't clear out your pages.

take care.

On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:49 PM, Stores, Mary A.  wrote:

Hello,

I don't understand why you say it sucks. You can navigate by links, headings, 
landmarks, etc., just like in other browsers. I think sometimes it's 
inconvenient to have to look for the search field and submit search buttons, 
but I don't see how Safari on the iPhone is that much different than other web 
browsers. However, I am curious to know why you think it sucks.

Mary


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Phil Halton
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 3:46 PM
To: Mac Access iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Accessible iPhone WEB browser.

I was thinking of IOS browsers when I made my comments that Safari sucked pond 
water. I do like safari on the mac, but would like to find something else for 
ios. Any good ios browser suggestions?


On Aug 22, 2014, at 1:39 PM, matthew stubbs  wrote:

There is a  hole list of  them  you  can use.
Instabrowser, atonicweb etc but  like what  has been stated before none are 
able  to be your  default browser.
It depends what you want  to use it for.  But like most  people have  said I 
personally find  safari work best  for me  and does all I need it to do.

On 22 Aug 2014, at 18:23, Devin Prater  wrote:

I personally don't see a use for any other web browser. There isn't any use, 
accessibility wise, for anything besides safari. Safari can already downloading 
stuff, I used it to download things and send them to dropbox.


On Aug 22, 2014, at 12:18, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

I personally  like safari, but I have use and also like dgoogle chrome as a web 
browser. you cannot how ever use it as yoru default browser but it works.

On Aug 22, 2014, at 6:38 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Try google or Chrome


On 22 Aug 2014, at 13:51, "Jim Noseworthy"  
wrote:

Hi Folks:

Is there a better option out there rather than Safari for WEB browsing?

Thanks.

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RE: Installing ios 8

[Shaun Oliver]

Can someone please explain to me what this direct touch typing is? As far as
I can make out, it's not dissimilar to the standard typing where you need to
do a split tap or double tap on the letters to make them appear.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham
Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2014 08:02
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Installing ios 8

Okay it's all installed and up and running


George,

  Sent from my iPad

> On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
> At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so yeah
wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already stored so
I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home.
> 
> Tc and be blessed to all.
>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin 
wrote:
>> 
>> I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again.

>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham 
wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm
getting is. 
>>> Your software update request has been received, you will be notified
when download is complete and ready to install. 
>>> 
>>> This message has not changed for a few  hours. 
>>> What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> George,
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RE: Installing ios 8

[Shaun Oliver]

Yes, I found this out quite by accident. And by doing a tiny bit of reading
on it. I did a podcast on it a few days ago.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of christopher
hallsworth
Sent: Tuesday, 23 September 2014 00:52
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: Installing ios 8

The idea is to directly touch the letter then it will be inserted hence the
name direct touch typing. It works similar to Fleksy but without the word
prediction capabilities.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 20 Sep 2014, at 00:09, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

> Can someone please explain to me what this direct touch typing is? As 
> far as I can make out, it's not dissimilar to the standard typing 
> where you need to do a split tap or double tap on the letters to make them
appear.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of George Cham
> Sent: Saturday, 20 September 2014 08:02
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Installing ios 8
> 
> Okay it's all installed and up and running
> 
> 
> George,
> 
>  Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 20 Sep 2014, at 1:01 am, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
>> 
>> At least the phone won't brick if the software can't download. so 
>> yeah
> wait until like monday. As for me I have the update file already 
> stored so I'm not worried. I'll install when I am back home.
>> 
>> Tc and be blessed to all.
>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:41 PM, Juanita Martin 
>>> 
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I would wait for a few days to try downloading and installing it again.
> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:50 AM, George Cham 
>>>> 
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am trying to install ios 8on I phone and I pad, the message I'm
> getting is. 
>>>> Your software update request has been received, you will be 
>>>> notified
> when download is complete and ready to install. 
>>>> 
>>>> This message has not changed for a few  hours. 
>>>> What do I do? Can I stop the process and start again? 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> George,
>>>> 
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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been ironed
out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are reason enough
to upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and some
work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that apple stopped
code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a possibility anymore if you
find somethign brakes.

At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more apple
might consider a fix for us.
On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:

> From the update info list given during update there were no accessibilty
bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes. 
> 
> I would wait. 
> 
> Anna 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.  I've
heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards working with
VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what about the sticking
phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.
>> 
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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. 
TJ


> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
> 
> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I would
encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
> 
> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
> Glenn
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been 
> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are 
> reason enough to upgrade.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k 
> Alawami
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> Actually I heard some of the accessibility bugs have been fixed and 
> some work arounds as well. I myself will wait especially now that 
> apple stopped code signing ios7 so down grading really is not a 
> possibility anymore if you find somethign brakes.
> 
> At the same time how ever  the more of us that report bugs the more 
> apple might consider a fix for us.
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Anna  wrote:
>> 
>> From the update info list given during update there were no 
>> accessibilty
> bug fixes listed, mainly cellular connectivity fixes.
>> 
>> I would wait.
>> 
>> Anna
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Matthew Chao  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi, Folks.  I have an iPhone 5 running the latest version of iOS7.  
>>> I've
> heard that 8.0.0 had problems regarding the Bluetooth keyboards 
> working with VoiceOver.  Has this been fixed in iOS8.0.2?  Also, what 
> about the sticking phone touch tone key?  Thanks in advance for info.
>>> 
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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

Well, if the iDevice you're updating goes west, or developes a few quriks,
reset it and reflash it.
And if worst comes to worst, wack it in DFU mode and restore it. It'll force
a redownload of the operating system and firmware.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Eleanor Martha Burke
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 03:20
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from
> 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and rushed
> things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the adaptive
> software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Graham Smith" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
>
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
> all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
> fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
> concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
>
>
>
> -Original Message- 
> From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
> with that.
>
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe
> they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
> discussing.
>
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
> add,
> Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found 
> in
> the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
> Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, 
> to
> a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
> useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To 
> suggest
> you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
> folly.
>
> It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
> up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than 
> annoy
> the rest of us.
>
> If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
> moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
> relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. Meloy
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
> talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
> TJ
>
>
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>>
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I 
>> would
> encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone, I
> definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>>
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>>
>>
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been
>> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are
>> reason enough to upgrade.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@m

RE: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

[Shaun Oliver]

This might be a case for putting the phone in DFU mode. To do this, hold
down the home and power buttons symoltaniusly for around 20 seconds and let
up off of the power button first and the home button around 5 seconds after.
Then, use iTunes either on your mac or PC to reflash your phone.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Leo Bissonnette
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:12
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Upgrading to iOS 8: Having A Problem Upgrading

Hello,

Today we have decided to update our various iPhones and iPads.

We started with my son-in-law's iPhone and have found that his phone isn't
responding. We have left it for over an hour and it's at a blank screen. 

He started the process connected to power, starting the upgrade directly
from the phone.

Wondering if we should do the upgrades using our Macs?

Any thoughts/suggestions.

Thanks in advance.

Leo




Leo A. Bissonnette, Ph.D.

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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, 
but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device 
being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, 
I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there 
might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the 
masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we 
have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great 
disservice.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the 
iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so 
all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from 
more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their 
phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and 
> rushed things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the 
> adaptive software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Smith" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us 
> at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting 
> things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple 
> may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot 
> concerned with that.
> 
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe they know better than they who've coded the operating system 
> we're discussing.
> 
> Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might 
> add, Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that 
> were found in the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in 
> the cycle.
> Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been 
> addressed, to a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so 
> as to maintain useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and 
> utter folly. To suggest you have no issues with security in a previous 
> revision of IOS is again folly.
> 
> It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or 
> open up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do 
> than annoy the rest of us.
> 
> If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want 
> moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want 
> relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Timothy J. 
> Meloy
> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 16:16
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been 
> widely talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless the

RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'm not suggesting for a minute you go in guns blazing.

Read the documentation, read the various bug reports and anything else you
can lay your hands on, but, don't dismiss upgrading out of hand, just
because.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:07
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

You make a good poing. Misery loves company, and maybe if enough people call
the accessibility line, when VO stops talking, Apple will fix the bugs that
cause those problems. But, one should make an informed choice by knowing the
risks. 
Diane

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Graham Smith"  wrote:

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

One of those bugs with siri is easily overcome by single tapping the listen
button just above the home key. Sometimes, siri and voiceover get in the way
of each other. I admit, it's annoying, but, again, nothing you can't get out
of. I'm unaware of the bug that requires you to reset your phone.l how can I
reproduce this one?


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:02
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple
Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent last
Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring my iPhone
multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech support did not know
about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri still said it was on;
there simply was no speech. It was not due to speech being turned off (three
finger double tap). One bug causing this issue has been identified, but
another ghas not. If you are willing totake the chance of VO failing, and
having to revive it only by a total reset involving the computer, go for it!
It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep the Xanax handy. It is
not about those who have not experienced the issues that can warn of the
dangers and possible consequences. 

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke
 wrote:

in what way?

Eleanor Martha Burke

> On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
> 
> I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been widely
talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading. 
> TJ
> 
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar  wrote:
>> 
>> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, I
would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new iPhone,
I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs are fixed.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
>> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
>> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
>> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>> 
>> 
>> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all been 
>> ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes which are 
>> reason enough to upgrade.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k 
>> Alawami
>> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
>> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
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RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'll conseed the point that IOS8 was released a little too early, as was, in my 
opinion IOS7. It too had a good number of bugs when it first came out if I 
remember correctly.

Say what you like about the late steve jobs, but, he made sure that each 
release of IOS had as few debilitating bugs as possible before it was released. 
Perhaps we need the innovativeness of tim cook and his team with the 
perfectionism of steve jobs. I think we've gone from one extreme to another and 
there needs to be a happy medium where all sides can be happy, and thus the 
end-user can be even happier knowing their devices won't break at the first 
upgrade.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:27
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I don't want to spend too much time going tit for tat on this subject.
Many blind people I know in fact embrace change.
The assumption that the problem is not embracing change is perhaps misguided. 
My experience, has been from people I know, and customers of the blind agency 
where I work, that have been extremely frustrated as they have lost the ability 
to utilize a tool they have become very familiar and reliance upon.
So the frustration, is waiting for the bugs to be fixed so that people can 
perform the normal functions they are used to.
I think Apple released this upgrade to soon, to match the release of their eye 
six.
It's  just my thoughts.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 4:07 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:

I'm unsure where you get the impression that IOS8 is unuseable.

It's perfectly useable and relyable. I know blind people are afraid of change, 
but doggedly hanging onto software just because of the fear of your device 
being rendered useless, based upon the say so of a minority, is the folly. Yes, 
I've found and reported some bugs. Yes, There's some annoyances, and yes, there 
might be one or two things that don't work. But, please, don't become like the 
masses out there. The masses that seem to be a generation of users whereby we 
have smart phones and dumb operators. You do yourself and us, a great 
disservice.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Mark
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 04:46
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I am not going to upgrade to I OS 8 until there is some reliance upon 
usability. I don't believe there's any folly, in wanting to actually use the 
iPhone you have become reliant upon.
The folly, is that somehow upgrading to an in adequate upgrade, is better so 
all others will be better off because Apple customer service will hear from 
more people about what doesn't work.
For those that are brave enough, to express to Apple what doesn't work on their 
phones anymore….Go for it. Much thanks.


Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:49 AM, Eleanor Martha Burke 
 wrote:

Well my niece who is sighted said the upgrade really messed up her iPad.
- Original Message - From: "Glenn" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


> Speaking of security, I seem to recall, in IOS 7, in the major release 
> from 6x to 7, that there was a security breakage.
> Here is an example where it is more secure to stay with the older version.
> These developers are in too much of a rush to upgrade their OS.
> I think Apple wanted to get this out along side their new phone and 
> rushed things too much.
> Plus, when things go bad, it is harder on those of use using the 
> adaptive software we need to even use the device.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - From: "Graham Smith" 
> 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> 
> I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us 
> at all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting 
> things fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple 
> may concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
> Everyone to their own I guess.
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
> To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
> Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> 
> I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot 
> concerned with that.
> 
> What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who 
> believe they know bette

RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

Problem with that is exactly that. Anyone can sign up to be a beta tester.
They want the latest and greatest toys and don't want to report the bugs so
we can have a smooth transition.

I'd sign up to be a beta tester, but, I don't want to spend my days
compiling bug reports, so I wait for the final release.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Glenn
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 10:15
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

It's not like anyone is not going to upgrade.
Pretty much everyone will in time.
Historically, there are bugs in software, and if less people were to upgrade
right away, the software people would spend more time making sure that there
are no bugs.
We do not need to be unwilling beta testers.
That is why there are beta testers, to make sure that the bugs are all
worked out.
Anyone can sign up to be a tester, and if you want the bleeding edge, go
right ahead.
Glenn
- Original Message -
From: "Shaun Oliver" 
To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?


I'm not suggesting for a minute you go in guns blazing.

Read the documentation, read the various bug reports and anything else you
can lay your hands on, but, don't dismiss upgrading out of hand, just
because.



-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:07
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

You make a good poing. Misery loves company, and maybe if enough people call
the accessibility line, when VO stops talking, Apple will fix the bugs that
cause those problems. But, one should make an informed choice by knowing the
risks.
Diane

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 27, 2014, at 7:48 AM, "Graham Smith"  wrote:

I could not agree more.  People that just sit back are not helping us at
all.  Perhaps if we all updated and showed our interest in getting things
fixed it would all happen a lot quicker and the likes of Appple may
concentrate a little more on the voice over side of some great software.
Everyone to their own I guess.



-Original Message- From: Shaun Oliver
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:06
To: 'OS X & iOS Accessibility'
Subject: [Bulk] RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

I may be seen as confrontational with this response, but, I'mnot concerned
with that.

What concerns me, however, is the arrogants displayed by people who believe
they know better than they who've coded the operating system we're
discussing.

Regardless of accessibility bugs, which aren't insurmountable, I might add,
Each new IOS update includes security fixes to plug holes that were found in
the last revision and were picked up too late to be included in the cycle.
Irrespective of these bugs, a good number of which, have been addressed, to
a certain extent, to suggest that people not upgrade so as to maintain
useability, in my opinion is arrogant and gauche and utter folly. To suggest
you have no issues with security in a previous revision of IOS is again
folly.

It only takes one misplaced tap to introduce malware to the system or open
up a back door to be exploited by someone with little else to do than annoy
the rest of us.

If you want total security, you won't buy a smart phone. If you want
moderate security, you won't connect it to the internet. If you want
relative security, you'll stay on top of updates.



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RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'm not currently using a Bluetooth keyboard with any of my devices so am
unsure as to what is actually happening.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Chao
Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 20:40
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?

And what about the Bluetooth keyboard/QuickNav bug?  Has that been resolved?

Matthew Chao

At 08:05 PM 9/27/2014, you wrote:
>One of those bugs with siri is easily overcome by single tapping the 
>listen button just above the home key. Sometimes, siri and voiceover 
>get in the way of each other. I admit, it's annoying, but, again, 
>nothing you can't get out of. I'm unaware of the bug that requires you 
>to reset your phone.l how can I reproduce this one?
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
>[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Diane Bomar
>Sent: Sunday, 28 September 2014 09:02
>To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
>Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
>
>If one considers the possibility of being on the line with Apple 
>Accessibility for 3 hours a  pro, then go for it. I, personally, spent 
>last Saturday, and this Saturday, dealing with resetting and restoring 
>my iPhone multiple times, due to glitches that Accessibility tech 
>support did not know about. In both cases, VO completely died, but Seri 
>still said it was on; there simply was no speech. It was not due to 
>speech being turned off (three finger double tap). One bug causing this 
>issue has been identified, but another ghas not. If you are willing 
>totake the chance of VO failing, and having to revive it only by a total
reset involving the computer, go for it!
>It certainly is a great learning experience, but keep the Xanax handy. 
>It is not about those who have not experienced the issues that can warn 
>of the dangers and possible consequences.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
>On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:35 AM, eleanor martha burke 
> wrote:
>
>in what way?
>
>Eleanor Martha Burke
>
> > On 27 Sep 2014, at 07:46, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
> >
> > I have not experienced some of the voice over bugs that have been 
> > widely
>talked about. The pros outweigh the cons for upgrading.
> > TJ
> >
> >
> >> On Sep 27, 2014, at 1:30 AM, Diane Bomar 
wrote:
> >>
> >> Unless there is something in IOS 8, that you absolutely must have, 
> >> I
>would encourage you to wait. After using IOS 8 for a week, on my new 
>iPhone, I definitely will not be updating this iPad mini, till some bugs
are fixed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPad
> >>
> >> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:07 PM, Glenn  wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't think we need to worry about security in version 7.
> >> Glenn
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
> >> To: "'OS X & iOS Accessibility'" 
> >> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 11:57 PM
> >> Subject: RE: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
> >>
> >>
> >> It's always a good idea to upgrade, even if the bugs haven't all 
> >> been ironed out, you'll find that there's always security fixes 
> >> which are reason enough to upgrade.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> >> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k 
> >> Alawami
> >> Sent: Saturday, 27 September 2014 14:25
> >> To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
> >> Subject: Re: iOS 8.0.2, to Upgrade or Not?
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RE: very interesting bug with VO and yosemite

[Shaun Oliver]

I do believe this bug is listed on applevis list of known bugs. I read their 
article on things to consider when upgrading and that was one of them.


-Original Message-
From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
[mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2014 13:38
To: mac access list iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: very interesting bug with VO and yosemite

Interesting. did you email accessibil...@apple.com 
 with this/ I'm sure though that this is 
discussed on the blog at applevis.com . as they already 
wiht in minutes of the apple event released a bug list.

Take care.
> On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Michael Marshall  
> wrote:
> 
> hey all,
> I could not bring this bug to your attention when I was on the beta program 
> but now i can.
> anyone using VO and yosemite try this. “open Safari, interact with the search 
> box on any site such as google and type a letter when holding down the shift 
> key. what you will get is VO saying new line every time you type a letter 
> using the shift key as well. As far as I know this bug is not present whilst 
> using the caps lock key.
> kind regards
> 
> Michael
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Re: [Mac-access]: question about voices.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi mate,

As the 5c isn't a 64 byt phone, you won't be able to use the Alex voice.

The 5S 6 and 6 plus, are all 64 byt phones.
Also the iPad air and iPad mini with retner display are all 64 byt devices.
Thus, you'll be able to use Alex on those devices.

Hth
Shaun


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Sent: Sunday, 14 December 2014 14:47
To: help mac email list
Subject: [Mac-access]: question about voices.

Hi guys I was trying to get Alex on my iphone 5c
But I can not even find him under US  english their is only a default one 
and a better quality voice.
Any help will be good.
Cheers Michael. 
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Re: [Mac-access]: Let's be totally realistic: IPhone 6 and 6+bending?

[Shaun Oliver]

and that, my fellow listers, is why we aught to be careful about a few things 
when we put our new physically bigger, and thinner iDevices in our sky rockets.

The size of the pocket, as well as it's location is a big factor in whether or 
not your phone's going to bend. if you have it in your back pocket righere the 
fleshy end of your bum is when you squat on your dot, is most assuredly after a 
few hours going to cause the issue you hope to avoid to manifest itself.

do bare in mind that it does take a good deal of pressure to make these things 
bend and personally unless it's entirely accidental, I don't see any point in 
testing it, putting the results up on youtube and moaning about it, unless of 
course, I'm a silly ass. but, I don't look much like a donkey, and don't 
considermyself silly enough to pull off a stunt like that. just be mindful of 
where teh phones are located upon your personage when you sit or put yourself 
in a position that might cause the thing to bend. that's all.


Sent from Shaun's iPhone

> On 5 Feb 2015, at 01:33, Stores, Mary A.  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
> 
> I think he answered it perfectly. Your last comment was that you wanted to 
> know if you were being paranoid or not. To not be bent out of shape is to not 
> worry so much about it. I know one person whose iPhone 6 bent, but they were 
> sitting on it at the time, and it was in their pocket. It sounds like yu take 
> good care of your iPhone, and if it's still working fine, I don't think you 
> should have a problem.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
> Gilland
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:59 AM
> To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Let's be totally realistic: IPhone 6 and 6+bending?
> 
> OK,
> 
> No offense intended, and I know you meant well, but I wasn't asking for a 
> smarty pants answer, with all due respect.  Normally, your comment would have 
> been funny, yes, but I am truely seeking the answer to a very legitimate 
> question here, and I feel that your message added practically nothing to the 
> discussion.
> 
> Chris.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Glenn / Lenny" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 9:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: Let's be totally realistic: IPhone 6 and 
> 6+bending?
> 
> 
>> Chris,
>> Don't get bent out of shape over it! smile :)
>> LOL
>> Glenn
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 2:07 AM
>> Subject: [Mac-access]: Let's be totally realistic: IPhone 6 and 6+ 
>> bending?
>> 
>> 
>> OK guys,
>> 
>> I've heard horror story after horror story about the IPhone 6, and 6 Plus
>> bending.  I'm admittedly now a little probably worked up over the hife.
>> 
>> I'm probably being way over over paranoid, and normally, I don't fall for
>> crap like this, but I will admit.  Out of its case, my new IPhone 6 Plus
>> does! feel very very flimsy.  It feels like it would definitely take some
>> force to do it, and I'm obviously! not about to try it intentionally, 
>> thank
>> you very much?  but! is it more just hife, and just people trying to bash
>> Apple and make a stink?  I know that there are plenty of Youtube videos 
>> out
>> there of people bending the phones purposely to show that it indeed can 
>> and
>> will bend.  This said, I have a Pelican protector case.  Earlier tonight I
>> tried taking the thing off temporarily so I could show the bare phone to 
>> my
>> mom, as she'd never seen a 6 of any sort before, let alone, a 6 Plus. 
>> This
>> case is so snugged on the thing that pealing it off the back of the phone
>> literally! almost takes the jaws of life!  NO pun to the screen reader
>> intended.  LOL!  I swear when I did take it out, it felt like after trying
>> to put it back in, I didn't slide it up quite far enough to the top edge 
>> of
>> the case, therefore it was a little crookid.  When I took it out again to
>> reposition it, I swear it felt like it had bent a slight bit.  I think I'm
>> probably just paranoid though.  Most likely it didn't bend, and if it did,
>> it would have been so slight that it eventually seems to a fixed itself.
>> Again, I know I'm probably having you look at me and go... Doo'ood, 
>> Really?I
>> mean, O? Kayyy.  I never said! it couldn't! happen, don't get me wrong, 
>> but
>> do you all agree with what AT&T and Apple both are telling me, that the
>> people who did! do this, were mistreating the phones badly, whether be
>> purposely or not?
>> 
>> I heard about one dude who literally apparently bent the thing on quote
>> unquote, accident, so badly that the thang literally caught fire!  So,
>> yeah...  I dunno.  I'm probably over-paranoid, and earlier is probably 
>> just
>> all in my head, as I'm working myself up over it for no reason, but I 
>> wanted
>> to confirm with you a

[Mac-access]: what's the command to find the status bar on a mac?

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,

 

I just got myself a new mac book air. I can't seem to remember the command
to display the status bar.

 

Could someone please refresh my memory?

Thanks in advance.

Shaun.

 

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Re: [Mac-access]: what's the command to find the status bar on a mac?

[Shaun Oliver]

Thanks for that mate, I found it, while I was in the keyboard help.

Can you tell me how I can get my current account to auto-login? I tried
looking in system preferences where it deals with user accounts and login
options, but, it's been so long since I've had one of these in me hands,
I've forgotten more than I'd like.


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Sent: Thursday, 9 April 2015 23:27
To: OS X & iOS Accessibility
Subject: Re: [Mac-access]: what's the command to find the status bar on a
mac?

  VO-m twice will take you to the Menu Extras area.


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> On Apr 9, 2015, at 12:15 AM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I just got myself a new mac book air. I can't seem to remember the 
> command to display the status bar.
> 
> 
> 
> Could someone please refresh my memory?
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Shaun.
> 
> 
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BUYING A MAC.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I'm thinking of buying a mac. I have had the opportuity from time to 
time to play with one and I rather like it.
Can anyone tell me the advantages and disadvantages of buying a 
refurbished mac as opposed to a brand new one?
I don't have a big budget, so am looking to purchase a refurbished 
macbook pro.


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Re: my fleksy podcast

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On 7/14/2012 08:43, Sarah Alawami wrote:

lol. tffp is the name of the podcast. The name stuck after I called it the fun 
filled podcast. Enjoy the fleksy demo.
On Jul 13, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Arthur Barney wrote:


Hi Sarah,
that isn't going to work.
It should be ftp, and not tffp
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2012 5:24 PM
Subject: my fleksy podcast



for those that are having trouble witht he page try this link instead.

http://tffp.marrie.org/486

it is unshortned so I hope it works.

Take care all and be blessed.
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how do I expand the gmail folder in mail?

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I've finally done it! I've joined the Mac world!
While I'm finding a lot of help and for the most part, finding a lot of tasks 
easy to do, and in some cases, quicker than elsewhere, one thing eludes me at 
this time. How do I expand an item in the mail boxes window?
I've set my gmail up as imap as I do it both here and on my phone.
I have some emails in the personal folder I want/need to get to from time to 
time.
Thanks in advance.
Shaun

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Re: Mountain Lion Up-to-date program for recent Mac buyers [was Re: Take Control Titles]

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I found this as well. I tried to enter my date of purchase and it would not 
allow me to enter it. I must say this is inconvenient. Any help regarding this 
would be greatly appreciated.

On 26/07/2012, at 8:01 AM, josh gregory wrote:

> Right, I get that. But when attempting to type into this field,
> voiceover wouldn't do it.
> 
> On 7/25/12, mori...@mac.com  wrote:
>> Hello Josh, Tim, and Others,
>> 
>> I've changed the subject line because you are talking about the program for
>> getting a free upgrade to Mountain Lion if you purchased either a new Mac
>> from Apple or a qualifying reseller between June 11 and July 25, 2012, or a
>> refurbished Mac from Apple between those dates.  This program also applies
>> to new Macs that you buy from qualifying resellers after today, but which
>> come with Lion installed.  The program is called "Up-to-Date", and you have
>> to file a request with Apple through their web form either by August 24,
>> 2012 (in the case of purchases before today), or within 30 days of your
>> purchase date (in the case of new Macs purchased after today, but which have
>> Lion loaded as the operating system).
>> 
>> The way this works is that after your purchase is verified you get a coupon
>> code to apply for your purchase of Mountain Lion through the Mac App Store,
>> but I've heard there have been some problems with some of these codes not
>> working in the massive startup today.
>> 
>> For more information, check the web page explaining the Up-to-Date program:
>> http://www.apple.com/osx/uptodate/
>> 
>> Josh, the date text field is supposed to refer to the date of your purchase,
>> so they can check for eligibility.  I think this is probably easiest if you
>> purchased from an Apple Store or through their online store, because they
>> can immediately match the records to verify your transaction.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:53 AM, josh gregory wrote:
>> 
>>> My mom had to help me do it, the field for the date just said date
>>> text And I don't think it'd let you complete it without it. I emailed
>>> Apple about it.
>>> 
>>> On 7/25/12, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
 I think you have to fill out a form for the free mountain lion upgrade.
 I
 believe it is on Apple's website.
 
 On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:30 PM, josh gregory  wrote:
 
> What's different about it? Sorry don't mean to sound rude at all but
> I'm still waiting for apple to email me with the link or whatever it
> is to get it free, since I got my mac a month ago.
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Re: Mountain Lion Up-to-date program for recent Mac buyers [was Re: Take Control Titles]

[Shaun Oliver]

I got that to work, but, now, I enter in my name, email and contact details and 
it's now telling me to correct the fields in red. here's the funny thing, I've 
entered it exactly as it appears on my iTunes account. go figure.

On 26/07/2012, at 9:27 AM, josh gregory wrote:

> I guess you gotta go into universal access, enable announcements after
> late mouse or whatever it's called, press enter on that field, and
> slide around to the date you want. Look back at the post that I know
> explains it a lot better than I did, lol. Sorry.
> 
> On 7/25/12, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
>> I found this as well. I tried to enter my date of purchase and it would not
>> allow me to enter it. I must say this is inconvenient. Any help regarding
>> this would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> On 26/07/2012, at 8:01 AM, josh gregory wrote:
>> 
>>> Right, I get that. But when attempting to type into this field,
>>> voiceover wouldn't do it.
>>> 
>>> On 7/25/12, mori...@mac.com  wrote:
>>>> Hello Josh, Tim, and Others,
>>>> 
>>>> I've changed the subject line because you are talking about the program
>>>> for
>>>> getting a free upgrade to Mountain Lion if you purchased either a new
>>>> Mac
>>>> from Apple or a qualifying reseller between June 11 and July 25, 2012, or
>>>> a
>>>> refurbished Mac from Apple between those dates.  This program also
>>>> applies
>>>> to new Macs that you buy from qualifying resellers after today, but
>>>> which
>>>> come with Lion installed.  The program is called "Up-to-Date", and you
>>>> have
>>>> to file a request with Apple through their web form either by August 24,
>>>> 2012 (in the case of purchases before today), or within 30 days of your
>>>> purchase date (in the case of new Macs purchased after today, but which
>>>> have
>>>> Lion loaded as the operating system).
>>>> 
>>>> The way this works is that after your purchase is verified you get a
>>>> coupon
>>>> code to apply for your purchase of Mountain Lion through the Mac App
>>>> Store,
>>>> but I've heard there have been some problems with some of these codes
>>>> not
>>>> working in the massive startup today.
>>>> 
>>>> For more information, check the web page explaining the Up-to-Date
>>>> program:
>>>> http://www.apple.com/osx/uptodate/
>>>> 
>>>> Josh, the date text field is supposed to refer to the date of your
>>>> purchase,
>>>> so they can check for eligibility.  I think this is probably easiest if
>>>> you
>>>> purchased from an Apple Store or through their online store, because
>>>> they
>>>> can immediately match the records to verify your transaction.
>>>> 
>>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>>> 
>>>> Esther
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:53 AM, josh gregory wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> My mom had to help me do it, the field for the date just said date
>>>>> text And I don't think it'd let you complete it without it. I emailed
>>>>> Apple about it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/25/12, Timothy J. Meloy  wrote:
>>>>>> I think you have to fill out a form for the free mountain lion
>>>>>> upgrade.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> believe it is on Apple's website.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 5:30 PM, josh gregory 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> What's different about it? Sorry don't mean to sound rude at all but
>>>>>>> I'm still waiting for apple to email me with the link or whatever it
>>>>>>> is to get it free, since I got my mac a month ago.
>>>>>>> 
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Re: Mountain Lion Up-to-date program for recent Mac buyers [was Re: Take Control Titles]

[Shaun Oliver]

ok, there's apparently some fields that I couldn't see. I managed to call apple 
and have them do it all for me. they'll send me a code in the next day or so.
I bought my mac last saturday, so I definitely qualify.

On 26/07/2012, at 9:53 AM, josh gregory wrote:

> Hmmm... when did you buy your mac? Just curious as if you bought it
> before or after a certain date you can't get it. Double check the
> fields, just to be sure. Cool that you got that to work, I'll play
> around with it if I can find other sights like it. Any ideas?
> 
> On 7/25/12, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
>> I got that to work, but, now, I enter in my name, email and contact details
>> and it's now telling me to correct the fields in red. here's the funny
>> thing, I've entered it exactly as it appears on my iTunes account. go
>> figure.
>> 
>> On 26/07/2012, at 9:27 AM, josh gregory wrote:
>> 
>>> I guess you gotta go into universal access, enable announcements after
>>> late mouse or whatever it's called, press enter on that field, and
>>> slide around to the date you want. Look back at the post that I know
>>> explains it a lot better than I did, lol. Sorry.
>>> 
>>> On 7/25/12, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
>>>> I found this as well. I tried to enter my date of purchase and it would
>>>> not
>>>> allow me to enter it. I must say this is inconvenient. Any help
>>>> regarding
>>>> this would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> On 26/07/2012, at 8:01 AM, josh gregory wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Right, I get that. But when attempting to type into this field,
>>>>> voiceover wouldn't do it.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 7/25/12, mori...@mac.com  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello Josh, Tim, and Others,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I've changed the subject line because you are talking about the
>>>>>> program
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> getting a free upgrade to Mountain Lion if you purchased either a new
>>>>>> Mac
>>>>>> from Apple or a qualifying reseller between June 11 and July 25, 2012,
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> refurbished Mac from Apple between those dates.  This program also
>>>>>> applies
>>>>>> to new Macs that you buy from qualifying resellers after today, but
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> come with Lion installed.  The program is called "Up-to-Date", and you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> to file a request with Apple through their web form either by August
>>>>>> 24,
>>>>>> 2012 (in the case of purchases before today), or within 30 days of
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> purchase date (in the case of new Macs purchased after today, but
>>>>>> which
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> Lion loaded as the operating system).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The way this works is that after your purchase is verified you get a
>>>>>> coupon
>>>>>> code to apply for your purchase of Mountain Lion through the Mac App
>>>>>> Store,
>>>>>> but I've heard there have been some problems with some of these codes
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> working in the massive startup today.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> For more information, check the web page explaining the Up-to-Date
>>>>>> program:
>>>>>> http://www.apple.com/osx/uptodate/
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Josh, the date text field is supposed to refer to the date of your
>>>>>> purchase,
>>>>>> so they can check for eligibility.  I think this is probably easiest
>>>>>> if
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> purchased from an Apple Store or through their online store, because
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> can immediately match the records to verify your transaction.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Esther
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 25, 2012, at 11:53 AM, josh gregory wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My mom had to help me do it, the field for the date just said date
>>>>>>> text And I don't think it'd let you complete it without it. I emailed
>>>>>>> Apple about it.
>>>

dropbox and lion

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I've just tried to install and run dropbox on lion.
the issue is, dropbox opens, but has no windows to interact with. how do I get 
around this so I can login and start using dropbox?

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Re: dropbox and lion

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the thing is, it's still running in the background even now, and can't even 
find a process to kill it so I can start again

On 27/07/2012, at 11:16 AM, josh gregory wrote:

> See thats what I meant :) I think if you do a show package contents on
> dropbox there might be an accessible installer there. Going off
> Missy's instructions but that's all I can think of. Either that or
> make sure you have the latest version.
> 
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>> Hi all,
>> I've just tried to install and run dropbox on lion.
>> the issue is, dropbox opens, but has no windows to interact with. how do I
>> get around this so I can login and start using dropbox?
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Re: dropbox and lion

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thanks for this, I'll give it a go.

On 27/07/2012, at 11:41 AM, mori...@mac.com wrote:

> Hi Josh and Shaun,
> 
> If you search the archives at the Mail Archive site by typing "dropbox no 
> windows" in the text search box and pressing return, it will immediately 
> bring up Gordon's post from a week and a half ago, about the solution to this 
> as the first link:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg11029.html
> 
> Since I don't want to retype everything in his post, I'll just summarize that 
> after you kill the process in Activity Monitor, you need to delete the 
> application from your Applications folder and restart your machine.  Then you 
> should do a new installation from the dmg image.  The restart kills the 
> background process.  If you do the new install by opening the disk image -- 
> without trying to move it to any other folder, just open it wherever you 
> downloaded it, it should install properly and you'll be able to use Dropbox.  
> No need to show package contents or anything else.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
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Re: dropbox and lion

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I went and found the pid and killed it in the terminal having had some *nix 
background. I wasn't sure how to use activity monitor to disable it. I now have 
it running, but, not sure where things are after that. no matter, some poking 
around should help me thinks.

On 27/07/2012, at 1:18 PM, josh gregory wrote:

> Hi, what Gordon suggested worked for me. Activity monitor was a bit
> tricky at first, but easy enough to figure out.
> 
> On 7/26/12, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
>> thanks for this, I'll give it a go.
>> 
>> On 27/07/2012, at 11:41 AM, mori...@mac.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Josh and Shaun,
>>> 
>>> If you search the archives at the Mail Archive site by typing "dropbox no
>>> windows" in the text search box and pressing return, it will immediately
>>> bring up Gordon's post from a week and a half ago, about the solution to
>>> this as the first link:
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/mac-access@mac-access.net/msg11029.html
>>> 
>>> Since I don't want to retype everything in his post, I'll just summarize
>>> that after you kill the process in Activity Monitor, you need to delete
>>> the application from your Applications folder and restart your machine.
>>> Then you should do a new installation from the dmg image.  The restart
>>> kills the background process.  If you do the new install by opening the
>>> disk image -- without trying to move it to any other folder, just open it
>>> wherever you downloaded it, it should install properly and you'll be able
>>> to use Dropbox.  No need to show package contents or anything else.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
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Re: Putting Mountain Lion on a bootable USB memory stick [was Re: burning mountain lion to disk]

[Shaun Oliver]

would it be possible to use that same method to put the install for mountain 
lion on an SD card? I have a 16 gb card here and it's currently sitting idle on 
my desktop and could be better served as installation media for my mac than a 
ready boos on my windows pc

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> Hello:
> 
> Esterth you posted a message last week regarding using SuperDuper and using 
> the USB drive and the message was very helpful.
> 
> I installed ML using your method and wonderful.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
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> 
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> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:39 PM, Esther  wrote:
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>> Hi Thomas,
>> 
>> You could get a 6GB or 8GB USB memory stick and boot from there instead of 
>> from DVD.  I believe you can use Apple's Recovery Disk Assistant to make 
>> this and get it either from Apple's  download site or from the Dropbox 
>> address that Gordon posted earlier:
>> https://dl.dropbox.com/u/22572701/RecoveryDiskAssistant.dmg
>> 
>> Note that I haven't loaded up Mountain Lion yet to try it, but I've heard 
>> others have done this successfully.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
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>> 
>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 2:18 PM, Thomas McMahan wrote:
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>>> Did a get info and it said 4.18 gb, yes that is larger than anything I have 
>>> here at the time.  
>>> On Jul 27, 2012, at 7:16 PM, michael weaver  
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>>> 
 i think you are right.  i tried burning mountain lion to a dvd and the few 
 i tried i was told there wasn't enough room on the disk so i have had no 
 choice but to do an upgrade from lion.
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Re: burning mountain lion to disk

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having just read all that, is preventing competition like that not in some way 
illegal? or is it a case of manufacturers not having enough financial where 
with all to bother?
it just seems to me, that in many respects, apple have succeeded where 
microsoft have thankfully failed.

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> Thomas
> 
> There's no such thing as a "compressed" .dmg image.  Not, at least, in this 
> context.  A disk image is just like an .iso image used in other operating 
> systems. Neither is compressed. The files are exactly as they would be if you 
> were to open a folder. That is how you're able to mount the image without the 
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> I would suggest that if you have an installdvd.dmg on your desktop, it's most 
> likely Lion.  The Mountain Lion disk image is indeed 4.35 GB which is too 
> large for a single-layer DVD.  Apple is moving away from physical media boot 
> systems in favour of either USB thumb drives or Internet-based operating 
> system downloads.
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> For example, if you boot the new Mac Minis and have a blank hard drive, 
> there's a firmware-based recovery assistant which allows you to download the 
> operating system via the Internet subject to a valid Apple ID and hardware 
> verification.  Apple is also now much more strictly validating hardware in 
> your machines.  For instance, if you have a non-Apple authorised memory 
> module or two in your machine, even if they meet the technical specifications 
> which Apple uses precisely, the hardware validation can fail and you won't be 
> able to download the operating system via the recovery mechanism.  The same 
> is true if you change the hard drive in your machine and or use SDD media in 
> its place.  The media has to be validated and authorised by Apple otherwise 
> the recovery process can fail.
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> This is something which most people are probably not aware of, but all the 
> same it is now true.  So, for instance, the "Lion Disk Maker" which Sarah has 
> recently discussed is now obsolete, as I also said in a recent reply to 
> Sarah's message.  You can no longer create a DVD of the operating system, as 
> the disk image contents in the package are too large.  This is no accident.
> 
> Apple really is squeezing the process tightly now, so be mindful of this if 
> you ever want to change your hardware configuration.  To be honest, I really 
> find Apple's policies of hardware validation disgusting.  They are 
> effectively telling their customers that, if they want to upgrade memory or 
> hard drives, they must do so using Apple-authorised components, paying 
> Apple's massively inflated prices.
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> Now, all that having been said, our machines do have hardware in them which 
> we didn't purchase from Apple.  I performed memory upgrades on 8 of our 9 Mac 
> Minis.  They all now have 8GB of RAM which I bought in bulk earlier this year 
> from Crucial.  That memory seems to satisfy the validation process.  What I 
> talk about above is information which I was given by an apple employee.  It 
> is no secret, they are trying to squeeze out the competition.
> 
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> I haven't either, but it's interesting that yours said 4.35 and mine says 
> 4.18 and mine is uncompressed as well, just the installESD.dmg  It's just 
> sitting there on my desktop at the moment so it's easily found when I have 
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Mail issue.

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Hi all, I'm trying to change folders on my mac. somehow, the gmail folder has 
become hidden, and I don't quite know how to make it visible or accessible 
again. I can see my inbox, my sent items and the like, but when I go to open 
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Re: Mail issue.

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I ended up having to re do my account settings. I managed to get it sorted out.

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> mailbox list and use VO and the arrow keys to move down to the gmail folder. 
> Once you are sitting on the folder, press vo+\ that is VO plus the backslash 
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Re: a remote, but slight possibility

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don't bother, it wouldn't work. two totally different beasts.

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> 
> On 7/29/12, Thomas McMahan  wrote:
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>> 
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accessible broadcasting software.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I'm looking for accessible broadcasting software I can test out on my ac, with 
the view of using is full time as my broadcast machine.
I've got hold of ladiocast and am wondering if there's any other apps out there 
that are vo friendly that I can use to do the obligatory crossfading, playing 
of spots, carts and the like.
any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
I did look at radiologic, but, it's nowhere near vo friendly yet. I have heard 
that they are looking into this so am keeping an eye on the project.
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Re: skype

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hmmm. that's interesting, if Skype doesn't have focus, it might read incoming 
messages, but, I think this person is looking for a way for them to be read 
while they're in a Skype window.
not something I've found yet either and I already have those notifications 
ticked.

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> dont like that personally but there ya go.
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>> that they set to make it work better can you please share thanks much
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Re: gmail empty messages

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how does one hide the preview pain?

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> soudns like gmail beeing slow. it always has been that way. try not showing 
> the preview pain and that might solve the problem. It did for me.
> 
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>> I have been getting a lot of empty messages on my gmail account.
>> It says it is still downloading.
>> The subject line and who it is from is there in the headers but nothing in 
>> the actual message.
>> Is this vo not reading what is there or gmail messing up?
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Re: skype

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is that in the voiceover utility?

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> and when you hear the sound just vo shift end to the bottom. you won't loose 
> your place at all in the message window. Not exactly ideal but it works.
> 
> I don't knwo of any easier way, or any other way for that matter. Maybe clisk 
> might do it but you have to be in the terminal window to hear it.
> 
> Take care.
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>> hmmm. that's interesting, if Skype doesn't have focus, it might read 
>> incoming messages, but, I think this person is looking for a way for them to 
>> be read while they're in a Skype window.
>> not something I've found yet either and I already have those notifications 
>> ticked.
>> 
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>>> go to skype prefs and notification. Under messages in the pop up button, 
>>> then in the box that says speak incoming message check that. It shoudl 
>>> work. I dont like that personally but there ya go.
>>> 
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>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
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Re: gmail empty messages

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thanks for that, the vertical splitter works just as well incidentally.

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> go to the horizantal splitter just before the preview pain, route the mouce 
> to the vo with vo cmd f5 then double click the physical mouse.
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>> how does one hide the preview pain?
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>> On 15/08/2012, at 2:53 AM, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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>>> soudns like gmail beeing slow. it always has been that way. try not showing 
>>> the preview pain and that might solve the problem. It did for me.
>>> 
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>>>> I have been getting a lot of empty messages on my gmail account.
>>>> It says it is still downloading.
>>>> The subject line and who it is from is there in the headers but nothing in 
>>>> the actual message.
>>>> Is this vo not reading what is there or gmail messing up?
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deleting a hotkey from YoruFukurou

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Hi all,
I've got a problem.
I need to remove a global hotkey I inadvertently setup in YoruFukurou. does 
anyone know how I can do this? I've tried deleting the ap and all the prefs and 
caches for it that I could find, but no dice.
any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
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More on YourFukurou

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Hi all,
Ester, I did as you suggested. In fact, it was one of the steps I took 
yesterday. for some reason, the prefs for YoruFukurou don't seem to have 
returned after I quit the application. I've tried deleting the setting I made 
in the preferences dialog of YoruFukurou but, still no dice.
the direcory structure isn't new to me as I've dabbled with *nix systems in the 
past. Nor is some of the command structure.
I'm at a loss as to what else to try.
Shaun

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Still having issues with YoruFukurou

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Hi all,
After following all the instructions I've been given on this list, I still find 
the issue of YoruFukurou having a hotkey I don't want it to have.
I realised the steps I took to make it happen in the first place, but I can't 
seem to find a way to undo the damnable thing.
here's what not to do.
1.
enter preferences with command Comma,
2. in the generaltab, tab until you hear it say show/hide application, Unknown.
3. press space followed by the keypress you want to show and hide YoruFukurou.
There's no way I can find within that tab to undo or remove it.
even looking through all my libraries and preferences, I doesn't go away.
loging in as another user seems to be ok as this keystroke doesn't happen under 
the other user account.
at this rate, I'm going to go bald, thus, I think I'll light up a smoke, have a 
swig of coke, and see if there's something else I haven't thought of later.
might just go read some fanfics for a while too. that always seems to help. 
hehe.
Thanks Ester for all your  help. It's greatly appreciated.
Shaun

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Re: Keyboard clicking sound

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that means your caps lock is turned on.

On 07/09/2012, at 9:22 PM, Phil Halton  wrote:

> My iMac has started making an annoying clicking sound when typing into text 
> fields. It sounds like tapping on tin plates and is very annoying. I can't 
> find a setting anywhere in system settings, or VoiceOver to shut it off - it 
> just started yesterday.
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> Please! Can you help me shut off this clinking sound everytime I type a key?
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Re: The commands to go to the top or bottom of a window or document on a Mac

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you'll also find that if you're in navigation mode depending on your roter 
setting, you can also use f/n+vo+left or right arrow for the home and end 
respectively. hth
Shaun.

On 15/09/2012, at 4:50 PM, Margaret Booth  wrote:

> I use on my Mac Book Pro the shortcut keys to go to the top of a document 
> command plus up arrow and to go to the bottom of a document I use the 
> shortcut keys command plus down arrow. 
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>> Could someone please tell me the commands to go to the top or bottom of a
>> document or a window on a Macbook.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
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Re: changing voice over voice at log in

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just on voices, someone once had a set of unconcatinated voices. does anyone 
knwo what they are, moreover, are they still available and where from?

On 21/09/2012, at 2:13 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> I did this on all of our machines to change the system voice and the 
> VoiceOver voice. I now have them all set to Rachel UK British from InfoVox, 
> (Acapela Group/AssistiveWAre).  I tried the other way, just turning on 
> VoiceOver at the log-in window, using the VoiceOver voice manipulation keys 
> but the change wouldn't stick.  The only way I got it to stick permanently is 
> as described earlier.  I had to log in as root and then set it all up from 
> there.
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> On 20 Sep 2012, at 17:08, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
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> Yeah I already found that out. That will let you change to one of true hq 
> voices not just the in my case 7 default normal voices I have on my mac. Yeah 
> I'm boring. lol!
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how do I set vlc as my default player?

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Hi all, how and where do I go to set vlc as my default player for audio files?
Thanks in advance.
Shaun

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Re: how do I set vlc as my default player?

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thanks for that.


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> Select an audio file in the finder, press command-option-i to open the Get 
> Info window, click on the open with popup button, select VLC, click change 
> all, confirm you wish to do so, then close the window.
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>> Hi all, how and where do I go to set vlc as my default player for audio 
>> files?
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: so wish apple had done this

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it shows the reader whereby you can read news stories, or blog posts or 
fanfictions without having to waid through all the unnecissary clutter on the 
rest of the page.
you've been able to do this on an IOS device since version 5.
hth

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> What does CMD SHFT R do?
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> Subject: Re: so wish apple had done this
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> Will, before you say that Mountain Lion sucks on the web, use CMD-SHFT-R to
> read stories. It's your friend.
> 
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>> hi all i know this is not a windows list i know that smile but has anyone
> heard the podcast, about flexible web?
>> apple usually inovate not freedom sicentific but i have to say on this
> occasion using the web with windows i think is more preferable now than on
> mac, even on mountain lion it is so clunky to actually get to stories on n
> gadget etc
>> listen here and sorry off topic but i want to know peoples views
>> 
> http://podcast.freedomscientific.com/FSCast/episodes/fscast070-september2012
> .mp3
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Re: My Thoughts on the Mac Accessibility was RE: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

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I've also had it said to me that if you can get hold of a numpad, bluetooth or 
otherwise, you can make full use of numpad commander and it makes the 
navigating experience just that much better.
I personally had no issue with learning to use the mac. I learned to drive on 
around two years ago, as a friend of mine had one. ever since then, I could 
wander into a store, turn voiceover on and have a play.
Now I have one, I've not looked back.

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> Here, Here. Well said. I've just migrated to mac and I'm quite surprised
> with how accessible it really is. I have virtually no site, and I'm learning
> to get around it quite well. I particularly love the way that you can use
> the Item chooser to navigate around a page rather than tab around a hole
> screen in other systems to find what you want. 
> 
> Debbie
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> "so wish apple had done this"]
> 
> Hello John, Will and all
> 
> As somebody with vision looking in, so to speak, I frequently find it
> astonishing when I hear people criticising what Apple is doing with
> accessibility; particularly in view of the practicalities. For instance,
> unless you're a pirate and by definition, therefore, a thief, Freedom
> Scientific, GW Micro and Dolphin Access, to name but three vendors, charge a
> very great deal of money for their accessibility tools. Also, Microsoft
> charges for their operating system, even for the most basic version, over 5
> times what Apple does. VoiceOver is a free and, most of the time, very
> reliable product. It gives the user access to a WYSIWYG, (what you see is
> what you get) interface to websites. Most of which can, if you take the time
> to learn to use it, be navigated extremely well using VoiceOver and Safari.
> 
> Ultimately, it really depends upon the individual. If you just want a sheet
> of virtual paper with a hand-holding web environment, by all means use your
> other products and I wish you the very best of luck in all you do.
> 
> I, (and I count my lucky stars, believe me), have the advantage of vision
> and I have seen both sides of this. I do see some sites where VoiceOver just
> will not play nicely and yes, we have seen some pretty spectacular crashes
> at times. However, in the general scheme of things, the environment is more
> stable and just as, if not more, reliable than the competition if, and it is
> a very big if, the pilot of the machine takes the time and effort to learn
> to handle it.
> 
> I sincerely hope that we see a time when Apple perfects their accessibility
> tools. But make no mistake about it; they are committed to accessibility and
> they will improve their offerings. Remember also that the competing products
> have been available far far longer than has VoiceOver. Yes, I know that you
> can't always go by that and I know also that Apple has been involved in the
> field of accessibility for around 8 years now. However, just cast your mind
> back to how things were before Apple entered the market. Apple really has
> made a difference, not only to their own products, but also the competition.
> 
> I recall the vice president of one accessibility company saying:
> "It's all very well having an operating system with a talking installer. But
> that's not much use if you can't do anything with it afterwards."
> 
> That statement was a direct quote. It was, and remains, the utterings of a
> frightened man who feared losing custom. As things have worked out, that is
> exactly what has happened. Literally tens of thousands of visually impaired
> users across the world have now migrated to Apple's products; desktop and
> mobile. Indeed, the vice president of Freedom Scientific himself is the
> proud owner of an iPhone. Make of that what you will!
> 
> Anyway, I am ranting. But I sometimes find it really disappointing when I
> hear people complaining like this. People who have freedom to choose. The
> long and the short of this is: If you want perfection, you'll be waiting for
> a very very long time. If you are prepared to be flexible and innovative,
> you have the power at your fingertips, quite literally in some cases. If,
> however, you are happy with constant virtualisation, hand-holding and costly
> solutions, then perhaps Apple's platforms are not for you. yes, there are
> free and low-cost applications available out there for other operating
> systems. And that is to be applauded. However, you are still working within
> the confines of an often insecure, vulnerable and unstable environment.
> 
> Which ever option you choose to take is entirely down to your preference.
> However, although I can understand a degree of frustration when thing

Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Shaun Oliver]

from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems to have 
better inflection and is better able to read documents, whether online or 
otherwise.
I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each bit 
as I read it.
you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the vocaliser 
voices don't seem to have that functionality.
As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away.
While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and good for 
fast reading and the like, it's outdated technology and there's far better out 
there.
Just my thoughts on the matter.

On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille"  
wrote:

> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch you can
> still understand it quite well. 
> 
> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not in
> development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be corrected in
> the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good.
> 
> Debbie
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant
> [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
> 
> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable
> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky when
> hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience
> 
> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris  wrote:
> 
>> I am greatful for all this as well.
>> 
>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote:
 I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it
> better.
 all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making your
> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are disabled or
> not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever since I've been
> using a mac.  I know how the screen is laid out just like any sighted
> person, unlike with the other screen readers which constantly use
> virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and all my gratitude to
> Apple for making accessibility a right and not something you should fork out
> tons of money for. I am grateful for being able to buy a computer, a phone..
> that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a sighted
> person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at the same price
> a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the hard work.
> Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all be
> patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this is the
> only way they will know what problems
>> we are
>> having.
 Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen readers
> and the other platform.
 
 Take care all,
 
 Lyn, Canelle & Epi
 
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
>  wrote:
 
> Hello Missy
> 
> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly not
> trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. What
> people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their choice. All
> I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is here for all of those
> people who share a desire and even a passion to see Apple's products
> improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in many cases, learn to use the
> products. Whatever your skill level and whatever your application for
> Apple's products may be, you are very welcome here.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
> . Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take full
> advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web
> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader
> developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or
> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers properly. It
> always frustrates me when I see any product being
> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I
> personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights
> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making any
> sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is
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Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Shaun Oliver]

for that to work, you need to be able to switch between quick nav and normal 
navigation.
only when you're in quicknav do the single key navigation keystrokes work.
Just something to remember.

On 30/09/2012, at 10:01 PM, "Debbie April Yuille"  
wrote:

> Sorry for my previous message I thought you had said eloquence. If you want
> a smoother experience with elements. I went into Voiceover utility and
> enabled single letter navigation in the web settings.
> 
> Hopefully that helps.
> Debbie
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas
> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant
> [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
> 
> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable
> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky when
> hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience
> 
> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris  wrote:
> 
>> I am greatful for all this as well.
>> 
>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote:
 I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it
> better.
 all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making your
> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are disabled or
> not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever since I've been
> using a mac.  I know how the screen is laid out just like any sighted
> person, unlike with the other screen readers which constantly use
> virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and all my gratitude to
> Apple for making accessibility a right and not something you should fork out
> tons of money for. I am grateful for being able to buy a computer, a phone..
> that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a sighted
> person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at the same price
> a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the hard work.
> Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all be
> patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this is the
> only way they will know what problems
>> we are
>> having.
 Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen readers
> and the other platform.
 
 Take care all,
 
 Lyn, Canelle & Epi
 
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 8:05 PM, Mrs. Lynnette Annabel Smith
>  wrote:
 
> Hello Missy
> 
> I think that is a fair and reasonable perspective. I'm certainly not
> trying to involve anybody in a "My toy's better than yours" debate. What
> people do and how they choose to do it is entirely down to their choice. All
> I can say in conclusion to this is that this group is here for all of those
> people who share a desire and even a passion to see Apple's products
> improve. Also those who are keen to use and, in many cases, learn to use the
> products. Whatever your skill level and whatever your application for
> Apple's products may be, you are very welcome here.
> 
> Lynne
> 
> On 29 Sep 2012, at 18:53, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:
> 
> . Very well said! I'll be the first to admit that I don't take full
> advantage of all the tips and tricks that could make web
> browsing easier, but I don't blaim apple or other screen reader
> developers. It's entirely my fault if I'm too lazy or
> stubborn to take the time to learn how to use web browsers properly. It
> always frustrates me when I see any product being
> bashed for seemingly no good reason. True, there are things I
> personally don't use, but I'm willing to respect others' rights
> or desire to use such products. I don't know if this is making any
> sense or not, but in a nut shell, all I'm trying to say is
> that I agree with you 100%. Thanks for the well-written post, and I
> hope that you're having a great day!
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Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]

[Shaun Oliver]

I've nothing against vocaliser voices, especially Karen's voice, as it's the 
one I find most listenable. I would prefer, however, some more control over 
inflection and things like that. I find Karen's voice to be somewhat flat in 
terms of intonation, and while it's a good voice, it doesn't do the lady 
herself any justice.

On 30/09/2012, at 10:09 PM, "Missy Hoppe"  wrote:

> I Agree. Alex is probably the best TTS voice out there right now. I have 
> other voices installed on my macbook, but always go
> back to Alex. I wish Apple would develop a female equivelent and do away with 
> the vocalizer stuff altogether, but until that
> happens, I'll always prefer Alex. It's a shame he can't be used on I-devices; 
> with the processors they have now, I can't
> believe that isn't possible yet.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net 
> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of Shaun Oliver
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 8:36 AM
> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools;A Passionate Rant [Was 
> "so wish apple had done this"]
> 
> from my own personal experience, I've found that the Alex voice, seems to 
> have better inflection and is better able to read
> documents, whether online or otherwise.
> I have it relatively slow as I do alot of reading and want to take in each 
> bit as I read it.
> you can even change the intonation which is rather nice, but, the vocaliser 
> voices don't seem to have that functionality.
> As for Eloquents, I suspect Nuance would like it to simply go away.
> While on platforms that shall not be named I find it responsive and good for 
> fast reading and the like, it's outdated
> technology and there's far better out there.
> Just my thoughts on the matter.
> 
> On 30/09/2012, at 9:58 PM, "Debbie April Yuille"  
> wrote:
> 
>> Try using alex. That voice works great for me. When it changes pitch
>> you can still understand it quite well.
>> 
>> I don't think Voice over will ever start using Eloquence as it's not
>> in development anymore. Maybe the vocalisor pitch problem wil be
>> corrected in the future. Then Vocaliser will be really good.
>> 
>> Debbie
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net
>> [mailto:mac-access-boun...@mac-access.net] On Behalf Of william lomas
>> Sent: Sunday, 30 September 2012 10:10 PM
>> To: Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility
>> Subject: Re: Making The Most Of Your Accessible Tools; A Passionate
>> Rant [Was "so wish apple had done this"]
>> 
>> just wish the HQ voices didn't keep changing pitch. they are unusable
>> really. not saying ungrateful, just that the web to me seems clunky
>> when hiding elements for us would make it a smoother experience
>> 
>> On 30 Sep 2012, at 11:15, Chris  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am greatful for all this as well.
>>> 
>>> On 30/09/2012 07:03, Lyn & her faithful furry friends wrote:
>>>>> I whole-heartedly agree with your post Lynne..couldn't have said it
>> better.
>>>>> all I have to say is thank you Apple for your commitment to making
>>>>> your
>> products accessible to everyone regardless of whether they are
>> disabled or not. I have been able to visualise things a lot more ever
>> since I've been using a mac.  I know how the screen is laid out just
>> like any sighted person, unlike with the other screen readers which
>> constantly use virtualisation. Well basically, a big thank you and all
>> my gratitude to Apple for making accessibility a right and not
>> something you should fork out tons of money for. I am grateful for being 
>> able to buy a computer, a phone..
>> that is usable right out of the box without the assistance of a
>> sighted person. I am grateful for being able to buy this equipment at
>> the same price a sighted person buys it so yes, thank you Apple for all the 
>> hard work.
>> Nothing is perfect and I am sure things can only improve so let's all
>> be patient and as Lynne rightly said, report problems to Apple, this
>> is the only way they will know what problems
>>> we are
>>> having.
>>>>> Never in a million years will I go back to using other screen
>>>>> readers
>> and the other platform.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Take care all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lyn, Canelle & Epi
>>>>> 
>>&g

Re: DJay4 Mac

[Shaun Oliver]

ok, one thing I'd be interested in knowing, do you have such things as carts 
and the like?
I know there's an app called radiologik that does what I want, but it's not 
accessible yet.
I'm hoping ti becomes so in he noo distand fu.

On 16/10/2012, at 12:44 AM, Gordon & Lynne  
wrote:

> Hi Chris
> 
> Unfortunately no, it isn't available as trialware any longer because it's in 
> the Mac App Store.  It uses yaour iTunes library and playlists which gives 
> you to ability to mix and play your music collection like a professional.  
> For just £13.99 I considder it a total bargain!
> 
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> On 15/10/2012 09:08, Gordon Smith wrote:
>> Hi all
>> 
>> I would like to recommend that if anybody is contemplating broadcasting via 
>> Mac, they take a peek at this software.  It's truly excellent now!  DJ3 was 
>> quite good, but the improvements in DJ4 are mind-blowing!  The mixing 
>> functionality has been improved out of sight, and I really like the way you 
>> can now totally isolate the various audio devices so that you can queue on 
>> the fly, without impacting on any other output.  And, of course, the fact 
>> that you can assign multiple outputs means that you can also use this thing 
>> with VoiceOver without impacting on what your listeners here.  We have 2 
>> different imix devices and I now have one set up for queueing audio, the 
>> other set as the primary output and the main sound device set for VoiceOver. 
>>  This means that nothing gets in the way of anything else.
>> 
>> Until this morning I was planning to use OTS AV DJ Pro Classic for my 
>> broadcasts.  But this revelation has changed my plans totally and made life 
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Re: DJay4 Mac

[Shaun Oliver]

we're gonna have to put our heads together at some point I'd love to hear about 
said work arounds.

On 16/10/2012, at 3:32 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> No, that's its weakness. It doesn't allow for spot groups or jingles.  We 
> must talk to the developers to see if they plan any such expansion.  However, 
> if you're willing to be innovative, there are work-arounds.
> 
> On 15 Oct 2012, at 17:31, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
> 
> ok, one thing I'd be interested in knowing, do you have such things as carts 
> and the like?
> I know there's an app called radiologik that does what I want, but it's not 
> accessible yet.
> I'm hoping ti becomes so in he noo distand fu.
> 
> On 16/10/2012, at 12:44 AM, Gordon & Lynne 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Chris
>> 
>> Unfortunately no, it isn't available as trialware any longer because it's in 
>> the Mac App Store.  It uses yaour iTunes library and playlists which gives 
>> you to ability to mix and play your music collection like a professional.  
>> For just £13.99 I considder it a total bargain!
>> 
>> Gordon
>> 
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>> Hello all is it possible to try this software before buying? Thanks!
>> 
>> 
>> Christopher Hallsworth
>> 
>> On 15/10/2012 09:08, Gordon Smith wrote:
>>> Hi all
>>> 
>>> I would like to recommend that if anybody is contemplating broadcasting via 
>>> Mac, they take a peek at this software.  It's truly excellent now!  DJ3 was 
>>> quite good, but the improvements in DJ4 are mind-blowing!  The mixing 
>>> functionality has been improved out of sight, and I really like the way you 
>>> can now totally isolate the various audio devices so that you can queue on 
>>> the fly, without impacting on any other output.  And, of course, the fact 
>>> that you can assign multiple outputs means that you can also use this thing 
>>> with VoiceOver without impacting on what your listeners here.  We have 2 
>>> different imix devices and I now have one set up for queueing audio, the 
>>> other set as the primary output and the main sound device set for 
>>> VoiceOver.  This means that nothing gets in the way of anything else.
>>> 
>>> Until this morning I was planning to use OTS AV DJ Pro Classic for my 
>>> broadcasts.  But this revelation has changed my plans totally and made life 
>>> much more simple for me.  Magic, I am really really excited about this 
>>> software.
>>> 
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Re: DJay4 Mac

[Shaun Oliver]

you're referring to a process called ducking.
This where the effect you're speaking about happens.
it's also used when voice over artists record adds, jingles and promos, etc.

On 18/10/2012, at 1:54 AM, Gordon Smith  wrote:

> I think the only thing missing from this software is a VoiceOver mechanism.  
> By "VoiceOver", I am not referring to the Mac OS X or iOS "VoiceOver". A 
> "VoiceOver" is a term frequently used by broadcasters to represent such times 
> as when the presenter speaks over the top of intros, Outros or an appropriate 
> musical background.
> 
> When I say that, I mean a mechanism whereby the music playing at the time is 
> reduced by a percentage of the presenter's voice.  For instance, if the 
> presenter is female and has a soft higher voice, the music would drop to a 
> certain level, so that her voice is clearly audible.  If, however, the 
> presenter is mail and has a lower stronger voice, the music's reduction would 
> be different.  You see what I mean?  This kind of "VoiceOver" is a skill 
> which presenters learn over time.  However, it can sometimes be better 
> managed by automation and actually I personally have used a lot of studios 
> where this kind of functionality is standard.
> 
> I need to write to the developer of this application actually, as I have a 
> few small suggestions but I also want to congratulate him on a very 
> well-written and functional application.
> 
> Gordon
> 
> On 16 Oct 2012, at 19:42, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> 
> Been there done that plenty of times.  Lucky! I won't go in to what equipment 
> I broadcast with as all of mine died like in the span of 24 hours. but DJay 
> so far has unit  I get better equipment saved my but. The only thing missing 
> like I said is track loging but  if the dev can fix the pre queuing table 
> I'll be one happy camper when it comes to the nice piece of software. I might 
> even use some of the dsp effects I have on my system. Hey it works. lol!
> 
> I've seen some grate reviews of the app on the mac app store and  I have to 
> say I agree with all of them. The dev really in my opinion outdid himself.
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Re: Going Back a Page in Safari

[Shaun Oliver]

the keystroke you need is command left bracket.
that's the key to the right of the p.

On 19/11/2012, at 7:48 AM, Matthew Chao  wrote:

> Hi, Folks.  When I'm in Safari, there are times when I want to go back a Web 
> page from my current page.  How do I do that?  Thanks.
> 
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how do I download mp3 files from a web page with Savari?

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I'm trying to download an mp3 file directly from a web page using Safari.
the problem is, when I click the download link, Safari's inbuilt player comes 
up and starts playing it. This is not what I want.
Is there something I'm missing?
Thanks in advance.
Shaun

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Re: how do I download mp3 files from a web page with Savari?

[Shaun Oliver]

I'll give that a go. thanks mate.

On 20/11/2012, at 10:54 AM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> From memory, option enter
> 
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> On 20/11/2012, at 10:33 AM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I'm trying to download an mp3 file directly from a web page using Safari.
>> the problem is, when I click the download link, Safari's inbuilt player 
>> comes up and starts playing it. This is not what I want.
>> Is there something I'm missing?
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Shaun
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Re: Moving Mail accounts around

[Shaun Oliver]

I actaully tried sarah's method of moving them around and couldn't get it to 
work.
no matter what I tried, it just wouldn't go the way I wanted it.

On 25/11/2012, at 2:48 AM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:

> Danny,
> 
> That is perfect!  That's exactly! what I needed to do.  I'll go take care of 
> doing that now.
> 
> Thanks for your help.  I was completely unaware of that option.
> 
> Thank you kindly,
> 
> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
> Founder of CLG Productions
> - Original Message - From: "Danny Noonan" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 9:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Moving Mail accounts around
> 
> 
>> Some people I think have been able to move them round but I never have. I 
>> have to be satisfied in setting the default outgoing mail address. I'm sure 
>> your aware of this already but for anyone who isn't,
>> command comma,
>> go to the composing tab and then simply select the account you want to be 
>> default in the
>> "Send new emails from"
>> popup.
>> 
>> Danny:
>> 
>> On 24/11/2012, at 11:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Collin,
>>> 
>>> I'm perfectly aware of doing that, but in my situation that is not a good 
>>> sollution.  Thanks however for the tip.
>>> 
>>> Thank you kindly,
>>> 
>>> Christopher-Mark Gilland.
>>> Founder of CLG Productions
>>> - Original Message - From: "Red.Falcon" 
>>> 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 7:05 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Moving Mail accounts around
>>> 
>>> 
 Hi Chris!
 This might do the trick for you, but does not involve moving the accounts 
 table but under the composing button you can pick which account all mail 
 gets sent from!
 HTH Colin
 
 On 23 Nov 2012, at 23:32, Christopher Gilland  
 wrote:
 
> I have approximately 4 accounts set up in Mail on my Mac.
> 
> Basically, the one that I want to be the default mail account is about 3 
> accounts down in the table.  So, when I go into mail, hit command+comma, 
> interact with the toolbar, then find the accounts tab, and select it, 
> then look at the table, I'm saying it's about the 3rd account down.  I 
> know a sighted person can actually within that table, take the mouse and 
> drag those list of accounts in that table up and down and move them to 
> the order they want them to be.  Which ever account is at the very top of 
> the list becomes your default account for sending mail.  Let me clarify 
> as I know some of you on here, may get confused.  I am not trying to set 
> the default outgoing server in the smtp server list.  I'm not talking 
> about that.  I'm talking about in that list of accounts in the accounts 
> table within preferences under the accounts tab.  I've tried going to the 
> table, and hitting vo+comma on the account, then moving to the top of the 
> table and hitting command+period, but that t
 el
>> ls
 m
> e after pressing vo+comma that the selection is not dragable, which I 
> darn well know it is, as I had a sighted person do it for me once.  I 
> also disabled cursor tracking with vo+shift+F3, then I found the account 
> I wanted to move, and routed the mouse pointer with vo+command+F5.  Then, 
> I did the old fashion way of doing this, with vo+command+shift+space, 
> then I moved up to the top of the list, routed my mouse again with 
> vo+command+F5, then did another vo+command+shift+space to drop.  That 
> didn't work either.  I knew it wasn't gonna work, but just for all time 
> sake, I even tried doing command up and down arrow, as well as option up 
> and down.  I even did command option up and command option down.  I tried 
> even with a shift key as well.  I was just trying any and every keystroke 
> I could think that might move things up and down like that in the table. 
> I even went so far as to highlight the account in the table, hit 
> command+X to try cutting it, moved up to the top of the lis
 t,
 th
> en hitting command+V to try pasting it there up above.  Even that! didn't 
> work.  I'm at a total loss.  I feel with the acception of having my mom 
> just come upstairs and do it for me from a sighted standpoint, I don't 
> know any other way to do this.  I've exhausted everything that I know 
> personally that there is to try.  I can't believe that they don't give 
> you a move up, and move down button in the preferences window, but they 
> don't.  If you have any other idea, let me know what maybe I could try. 
> I'd be incredibly interested in any suggestions past what I already have 
> done.
> 
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Re: Learning iOS app now free.

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I have to say I'm in complete agreement with you.
even though I pickup things fairly quickly, it doesn't hurt to have a tutorial 
to go through just to brush up even for the power users.
this is a great idea in my opinion.

On 18/12/2012, at 3:54 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:

> I'm not commenting on your comment but rather the overall feel of sentiment 
> over there regarding the app.
> 
> Many of the comments sound like a lot of comments from blind power users with 
> a mac for tech. "I don't need it because I'm smart and work this stuff out 
> easily on my own." not to mention that old "Why should I pay for something 
> when it could be given to me free" line. It kind of makes me sad to see how 
> little some sentiments actually change over the years.
> 
> belittling  something that doesn't suit them with disregard of those who 
> would find a product like this helpful. I know people who don't pick things 
> up quickly for whom this app would be very helpful. It's procedure is 
> certainly more helpful than being able to try a few basic things in the voice 
> over menu. Far more like the Mac VoiceOver tutorial in running you through 
> situations. I could see this being very helpful for the elderly amongst other 
> groups. I always wonder and always will, how quick the community is to bag 
> out products for not being accessible but how slow to provide helpful 
> feedback or praise let alone be willing to pay for a product.
> 
> All power to the developer for putting the time and effort into it and not 
> boxing all VIPs together with the same know how and off the bat abilities.
> 
> Danny:
> 
> On 18/12/2012, at 3:34 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
> 
>> It's posted on the apple vis forum as well I voice my opinion there so I 
>> will not repeat myself.
>> 
>> http://applevis.com/applevis-forum/site-news-feedback-and-discussion/new-app-named-vo-starter
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2012, at 8:27 PM, Danny Noonan  wrote:
>> 
>>> There is a new kind of app out. An iOS app designed specifically to help 
>>> blind and vision impaired users to learn how to use VoiceOver on there iOS 
>>> devices. VOStarter is currently free so why not grab the app on your 
>>> favourite iDevice and repay the great price with feedback and ratings in 
>>> the iTunes app store.
>>> Find an article on the app below and after that is an iTunes link as it was 
>>> a bit hard to find from the article, for me at least. 
>>> http://maccessibility.net/2012/12/17/new-ios-app-just-released-for-learning-voiceover/
>>> And the direct iTunes link is
>>> https://itunes.apple.com/au/app/vo-starter/id586844936?mt=8
>>> 
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Re: Twitterrific for mac

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I can sum that up in one word. no.

On 26/10/2013 05:18, Chris H wrote:

Subject says most of it. Is it accessible like Twitterrific for iOS?


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pairing a bluetooth keyboard

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Hi all,

I’ve been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last 
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned numbers, 
and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: pairing a Bluetooth keyboard

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someone pointed out that it's a bug with the current vo and maveriks
On 19/11/2013 12:49, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Lol. I must have fast fingers as I used to be able to pair a keyboard with no 
troubles  at all. but yeah goodf luck and hope you can type in the code, just 
navigate very fast.
On Nov 18, 2013, at 9:40 AM, David Griffith  wrote:


I remember that when I paired a Bluetooth keyboard under Lion I eventually
had to get sighted help as the time out on the Mac Keyboard utility was so
short that by the time I had navigated voiceover from the pair button to the
part of the screen where I could read out the numbers I was due to enter I
could not get them in in time. This may or may not be your issue.

David Griffith

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Subject: pairing a bluetooth keyboard

Hi all,

I've been trying to pair an apple bluetooth keyboard to my mbp for the last
couple of days.

When I get the pairing request dialog, it says enter the following code.
I go to review the code and I have consecutive numbers from 1 to 8.
I enter in what I believe to be the code which are the afforementioned
numbers, and the pairing request fails every time.
has anyone else had this issue under maverics?

I just cannot get the thing to pair, no matter what I do.
any help would be greatly appreciated.

Shaun Oliver
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garageband on IPhone.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I recently bought garageband for my IPhone4 and decided to give it a 
test drive.

I have a few questions that I'd like answered if at all possible.
how does one go about selecting the various instruments with Voiceover? 
and if I wanted to use the smart instruments, say, smart drums, how 
would I add each drum to the grid to create a pattern?
any help would be greatly appreciated as I feel this would take the home 
studio to a whole new level.

Thanks in advance.
Shaun

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Re: installing lion for my sister on her macbook

[Shaun Oliver]

I tried using disk utility to do that but I couldn't seem to get the dmg 
image to drag to the destination I don't know why, but it just wouldn't 
be in it.



On 19/11/2011 11:24, Sarah Alawami wrote:

The dmg is in the app. You go to show contents when you right click the install 
lion app  Here is the path you will go to once you hot show contents.

/Contents/SharedSupport/InstallESD.dmg

Burn that to a dvd using disk utility.

Take care.
On Nov 18, 2011, at 3:38 PM, william lomas wrote:


hi all if i wish to do an install over snow leopard for my sister, is 
their a customize button for deselecting options as their would be if i did a 
clean install or does it like it did with me, install all the rubbish i don't 
want and waste gigs and gigs of her hard drive?
Also, how do I redownload the DMG?
I purchased it a while ago in ap store

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Re: iphone game.

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hmmm. I prefer free vergins myself, never the less, I suppose there's 
different versions of those too. .



On 19/11/2011 15:22, Ian McNamara wrote:

Hello all just found a new game for the Iphone it's called soul trapper it's an 
audio game where you have to get rid of ghosts and stuff here is the 
discription that my friend posted on blind gamers.

Soul Trapper is a 3+ hour interactive audio adventure that follows the
turbulent life of Kane Pryce, a 27 year-old drifter who possess a mysterious
device known as the Soul Trap, a supernaturally charged object that allows
him to hunt down, capture, and send ghosts from the earthly realm to the
afterlife. Don your headphones and follow alongside Kane as he navigates a
chilling maze of gangsters, ghosts, dames, and demons. Immerse yourself in
Episode One and help Kane unlock mysteries surrounding a haunted church that
stirs newfound emotions and sends Kane on a perilous journey where no man
has gone before.

Well, no living man!

i have got a podcast on it as well if any one would like to here it it's a 
sendspace link. it is not completly accessabel but with practis it can be 
played i got to chapter two allready. there is a free vergin which alous you to 
have the first four chapters of the game then there is a payed vergin of the 
whole game which is about 3.99 i love it allready.

Ian McNamara
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Re: Skype 3.5 for iPhone update

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the way to find it is rather simple once you understand the concept.
double tap the earpiece button, then tap slightly above it. it will then 
say either earpiece or speaker. if it says earpiece, swipe left once and 
it'll say speaker. doubletap this and it will put you on speaker.

if your tap lands you on speaker already, then simpley double tap it.
you only have a small wondow in which to activate either of the buttons 
as the popup goes away after a few seconds.



On 19/11/2011 23:10, krystal watson wrote:

the speaker phone button is hard to find now days for a vo user
On 19/11/2011, at 11:34 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen wrote:


Hi.

Can you find the hang up button. Skype has been rather inaccessible for a long 
time, how can we get in contact with them in an easy way, so that we can report 
the issues. I have used Skype from the day it first released, but I consider to 
stop using it because of the lack of accessibility.
Best regards Annie.
Den Nov 19, 2011 kl. 1:01 PM skrev Dane Trethowan:


Yep, downloaded the update earlier on today, in my experience with using Skype 
for iPad, I had trouble with Skype and Voiceover, sometimes Voiceover would 
completely lock up or I couldn't even access Skype by using gestures or touches 
on the screen so it will be interesting to see if these problems are still 
apparent.

Its also quite possible of course that these are problems that Skype cannot 
themselves do anything about.


On 19/11/2011, at 10:55 PM, chris hallsworth wrote:


For more information please click here. 
http://blogs.skype.com/garage/2011/11/skype_35_for_iphone_and_ipad_h_1.html
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[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
does anyone know of there's any iPad Mini docks with keyboard attached like 
there are for the full sized iPads?
I'm seriously considering getting one for my brand spanking new iPad Mini I 
just purchased yesterday.
and having played with this thing for the last day or so, I have to say, I'm 
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voiceover friendly ham radio software.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,

Is anyone aware of any voiceover friendly ham radio control software that will 
work under ml?
on the platform-that-shall-not-be-named, I ran ham radio deluxe.
there is unfortunately no osx varient for this software and am ondering if 
there's something else I can use to drie my gear.
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Re: shortcuts for YoruFukurou

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to dm a user, you press the letter d on their name. to reply in public, press 
enter on their name.
if you want to add in all the other's in that thread, press shift+enter.
hth

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> thanks for that josh, worked a treat
> On 21/03/2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:
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>> hello listers,
>> i've just installed YoruFukurou on the mac and am loving it accept for one 
>> problem, i hit CMDN to right a new tweet but i can not for the life of me 
>> work out how to send the tweet. i've interacted with all the parts of the 
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>> here?
>> 
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Re: shortcuts for YoruFukurou

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you simply press enter once you've finished

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> problem, i hit CMDN to right a new tweet but i can not for the life of me 
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Re: shortcuts for YoruFukurou

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just be mindful that if you press right arrow, you can inadvertently mention in 
someone you don't want on a thread.

On 21/03/2013, at 3:41 PM, Michael Marshall  wrote:

> fantastic, i just found those commands.
> what a great program it is
> On 21/03/2013, at 3:34 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
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>> to dm a user, you press the letter d on their name. to reply in public, 
>> press enter on their name.
>> if you want to add in all the other's in that thread, press shift+enter.
>> hth
>> 
>> On 21/03/2013, at 2:29 PM, Michael Marshall  
>> wrote:
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>>> thanks for that josh, worked a treat
>>> On 21/03/2013, at 2:43 PM, Michael Marshall  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> hello listers,
>>>> i've just installed YoruFukurou on the mac and am loving it accept for one 
>>>> problem, i hit CMDN to right a new tweet but i can not for the life of me 
>>>> work out how to send the tweet. i've interacted with all the parts of the 
>>>> window i've checked the menus but i just don't know. am i missing 
>>>> something here?
>>>> 
>>>> thanks for any help.
>>>> 
>>>> Michael
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Re: Emergency calls from iPhone

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the international number is 112 it's recognised across the world.

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> You hit the button and I think from there you can dial 911. that's the number 
> for the us, but I assume it's the same procedure in the other countries.
> 
> Take care.
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>> Hello, 
>> I use an iPhone 3GS running the latest IOS with VoiceOver. 
>> Being paranoid about security I have a PIN code to protect my iPhone 
>> contents. Is there any way (maybe an app?) which would enable someone who 
>> does not know my PIN code to use my iPhone to call my home number or the 
>> emergency services in case of accident or in case they found my iPhone on 
>> the train or in a cafe. 
>> 
>> There is a button labeled "emergency calls" on the screen on which you enter 
>> the PIN code after turning on the iPhone. What does this button do? I don't 
>> want to try it in case it dials the emergency services (999 in the UK). 
>> 
>> As a further complication I have screen curtain on on my iPhone to save 
>> battery life. If the phone were to be found by a sighted person could they 
>> find the emergency calls button? If not is there any way I could set screen 
>> curtain off for the PIN entry screen and screen curtain on everywhere else?
>> 
>> I heard somewhere that there is an ICE (in case of emergency) facility in 
>> the iPhone contacts app. Does anyone know what this does? 
>> 
>> Many thanks for any tips. 
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Re: Skype

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the interesting thing I've found is, if you have your cursor on the chat grid 
and a new chat message comes in, it's automatically read out. however, this is 
not the case if you have cursor tracking turned off.

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> No there is not. I already looked. Actually I don't really mind it. it seems 
> a bit more compact then it was before.  I'm just now getting used to it.
> 
> Take care.
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>> Has anybody tried the new Skype  version for Mac? That would be 6.4.0.833 or 
>> something like that. Maybe it's been out for a while now but I don't like 
>> how they have the chats arranged in a grid style and I'm wondering if 
>> there's a way to get it back to the HTML content. If not does anybody know 
>> of a way I can downgrade so I can have the HTML "? Thanks!
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Re: alex on the iphone

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actually, it's not deleted.
I've proven thisby switching to those that have hq voices available.

On 02/06/2013, at 7:16 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:

> Yes, that's what happens.  And I didn't know you had to have it plugged up. 
> Wonder why that is?
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
> Devin prater
> email and iMessage: d.pra...@me.com or r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
> Skype:
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> On Jun 1, 2013, at 4:37 PM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:
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>> and the voices are not all downloaded in ios. I know this  as I've 
>> experienced it. You need to have your phone plugged in and connected to wifi 
>> in order for the voice to download. and once you switch the hq voice I'm 
>> sure the old one is deleted to make room for the new one.
>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Chris Gilland  wrote:
>> 
>>> Oh, ok, so they are? compact?
>>> 
>>> Wow, they sure sound good for that.  I guess you learn something every day, 
>>> huh!  LOL!
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Sarah k Alawami" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 01, 2013 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: alex on the iphone
>>> 
>>> 
 No. the new once voices are compact on the phone. I think only a few hq 
 voices are available and only 1 at a time because of their size. and I do 
 notice a slight decrease in performance when using them on my phone which 
 is a 5.
 
 Take care.
 On Jun 1, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
 
> Oh? But the Neuance voices are just as large. So I think they could make 
> it happen.
> sent from my Mac Mini with iCloud.
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>> No because Alex is a very large voice that takes up a lot of RAM And 
>> processor, which the iPhone cannot currently handle. Sorry
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 1, 2013, at 9:16 AM, William Lomas  wrote:
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>>> hi all does anyone know if i can get alex voice on an iPhone 4s if i 
>>> jail break
>>> surprised apple have not put this voice on their phones after all, it 
>>> is a voice of their own making
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Re: Seeking participants for software accessibility research in Chicago area (with compensation)

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we're not in chicargo mate. hehe

On 11/06/2013, at 6:49 AM, Phil  wrote:

> Hi group,
> 
> Please see below message. This accessibility and usability research
> project is starting in June and they are looking for blind and low
> vision participants from Chicago area who use Mac, iPhone, iPad as
> well as Windows and Android. This seems like a great opportunity to
> have our say to improve accessibility of instant messenger software.
> And participants will be compensated.
> Please see below.
> 
> Phil
>>> 
>>> 
> Starting in mid-June and throughout the summer, the GfK usability
> research team will conduct a number of usability tests with
> individuals who are blind or have low vision and who use instant
> messenger (IM) software to communicate with others.
> 
> By participating in this research, you will have the
> opportunity to influence changes in the way digital communication
> tools support accessibility and universal design to allow people with
> disabilities to communicate and stay connected with friends, family,
> and colleagues.  Major software manufacturers are making heavy
> investments to address accessibility in communication tools across
> PCs, Macs, smartphones, tablets, and mobile devices, and this is your
> opportunity to have a voice in those changes.
> 
> We will be asking willing participants to come to a research facility
> in the Chicago metro area for a one-on-one interview lasting
> approximately two hours.  Participants will be compensated $150 for
> their time.
> 
> Interested respondents are invited to provide some preliminary
> information to the research team by filling out an online survey.
> Those who qualify will be contacted directly with more details and to
> schedule interviews.
> 
> Please click the link below to be directed to the online survey,
> hosted by Survey Monkey. The survey should take about 10 minutes. All
> responses to the survey will be kept confidential by GfK, and only the
> immediate UX research team will have access to them.
> 
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/usabilityforblindandlv
> 
> Thank you for your interest in helping to make communication tools
> accessible and useable for all.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
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> Jessica Buttimer, Senior Research Director, GfK UX
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dropbox preferendes.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all, I'm using the latest dropbox for ML.
I'm finding I can't seemt o access my preferences in order to change some 
settings.
does anyone know how we go about it these days?
Thanks.
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Re: dropbox preferendes.

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so that's option mouse click?

On 18/06/2013, at 8:31 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> Option click the dropbox icon in the extras menu. they have since changed to 
> a new style menu so this is the way they decided for us that want the classic 
> menu to have it.
> On Jun 17, 2013, at 2:29 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
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>> Hi all, I'm using the latest dropbox for ML.
>> I'm finding I can't seemt o access my preferences in order to change some 
>> settings.
>> does anyone know how we go about it these days?
>> Thanks.
>> Shaun
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Re: Bossjock IOS App

[Shaun Oliver]

no, you can't, as far as I know. it's purely for creating on the fly podcasts.

On 18/06/2013, at 11:59 PM,  wrote:

> Can you record from any radio app you have and save songs on your computer 
> with it?
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dane Trethowan" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:42 AM
> Subject: Bossjock IOS App
> 
> 
> Hi!
> 
> I had the pleasure of trying the Bossjock app and I'm very impressed with 
> what the app offers given its price of $10 Australian.
> 
> The App is perfectly accessible though I shouldn't have been surprised, the 
> developer mentioned that he'd had a lot of positive feedback etc from other 
> Voiceover users and that's helped form the excellent Bossjock App.
> 
> This App is by no means a fully fledged Broadcasting suite but it does offer 
> enough features and facilities to do some serious recording work and 
> Netcasting in conjunction with other available Apps.
> 
> The main screen is made up of 3 tabs, the "Studio" tab is where all your 
> Kart players are, your faders, the control for microphones and so on, the 
> "Recordings tab is where all the recordings you plan to use reside and the 
> "Settings' tab is where you'll find the settings to control the app.
> 
> How easy is Bossjock to use? Loading tracks into the kart players and 
> double-tapping on the 1 you want to play couldn't be easier and Bossjock 
> offers a variety of ways to get those tracks loaded onto the Kart players, 
> the iTunes library is the obvious source for music and audio but how about 
> Dropbox and Wi-Fi? This alone makes Bossjock very powerful and easy to 
> integrate with other devices such as computers etc.
> 
> I'm still discovering more about the Bossjock App and I've found the 
> Bossjock Twitter feed to be a most helpful source of information,users of 
> Bossjock who follow the feed often post their own Podcasts etc which they've 
> produced with Bossjock, the few I'veh eard thus far sound very professional.
> 
> 
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Re: Bossjock IOS App

[Shaun Oliver]

I can't see I'e seen anything like that.
doesn't mean it ain' tout there, just, haven't seen it.

On 19/06/2013, at 12:19 AM,  wrote:

> Okay. Do you know, then of an app that will record from anywhere in the 
> system, say from Pandora, for example, if you like a song, and then could be 
> transferred to your pc?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Shaun Oliver" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 9:35 AM
> Subject: Re: Bossjock IOS App
> 
> 
> no, you can't, as far as I know. it's purely for creating on the fly 
> podcasts.
> 
> On 18/06/2013, at 11:59 PM,  wrote:
> 
>> Can you record from any radio app you have and save songs on your computer
>> with it?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> 
>> Brenda
>> 
>> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Dane Trethowan" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2013 3:42 AM
>> Subject: Bossjock IOS App
>> 
>> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> I had the pleasure of trying the Bossjock app and I'm very impressed with
>> what the app offers given its price of $10 Australian.
>> 
>> The App is perfectly accessible though I shouldn't have been surprised, 
>> the
>> developer mentioned that he'd had a lot of positive feedback etc from 
>> other
>> Voiceover users and that's helped form the excellent Bossjock App.
>> 
>> This App is by no means a fully fledged Broadcasting suite but it does 
>> offer
>> enough features and facilities to do some serious recording work and
>> Netcasting in conjunction with other available Apps.
>> 
>> The main screen is made up of 3 tabs, the "Studio" tab is where all your
>> Kart players are, your faders, the control for microphones and so on, the
>> "Recordings tab is where all the recordings you plan to use reside and the
>> "Settings' tab is where you'll find the settings to control the app.
>> 
>> How easy is Bossjock to use? Loading tracks into the kart players and
>> double-tapping on the 1 you want to play couldn't be easier and Bossjock
>> offers a variety of ways to get those tracks loaded onto the Kart players,
>> the iTunes library is the obvious source for music and audio but how about
>> Dropbox and Wi-Fi? This alone makes Bossjock very powerful and easy to
>> integrate with other devices such as computers etc.
>> 
>> I'm still discovering more about the Bossjock App and I've found the
>> Bossjock Twitter feed to be a most helpful source of information,users of
>> Bossjock who follow the feed often post their own Podcasts etc which 
>> they've
>> produced with Bossjock, the few I'veh eard thus far sound very 
>> professional.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Untitled Folder On iMac Desktop Revisited

[Shaun Oliver]

I have a feeling I know what's happened.
it would seem that you'e some how managed to unlabel your hard drive.
it would seem you've bumped the enter key and the backspace key and left it 
untitled.
that's the only thing I can think of as to why the folder would keep coming 
back.

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> Hi Everyone,
> 
> After I thought I deleted that folder from my desktop once and for all 
> yesterday afternoon, I asked my sighted husband to verify this for me!  I 
> wanted to make sure it wasn't hiding somewhere where I just wasn't finding 
> it.  He verified that it was gone!  However, when I started up my computer 
> this morning, it was back and still remains!  It's not really bothering 
> anything, but I'd still like to clear it off my desktop if I can!  Let me 
> know if any of you have any further ideas for me!  Thanks again!
> 
> Desi
> 
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setting the timezone in ML

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
I've just done a complete reinstall of ML on my MBP
However, I'm finding it hard to set the proper timezone.
I live in Adelaide SA and want my timezone to reflect this. The issue is, the 
damned country selection is a map and only accessible with the accursed mouse.
after a bit of pottering about, muttering, cussing and swearing, I thought it 
finally time to ask others how they managed to resolve this.
Thanks in advance.
Shaun.

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Re: setting the timezone in ML

[Shaun Oliver]

tried that, but, the thing sets itself to somewhere in the US.

On 19/06/2013, at 5:29 AM, Zachary Kline  wrote:

> Hi Shaun,
> Is there a box in the date and time selection screen to set the TimeZone 
> based on your current location? If so, have you tried that? There is also a 
> combo box where you can search for your closest city.
> Best,
> Zack.
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
> 
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>> I've just done a complete reinstall of ML on my MBP
>> However, I'm finding it hard to set the proper timezone.
>> I live in Adelaide SA and want my timezone to reflect this. The issue is, 
>> the damned country selection is a map and only accessible with the accursed 
>> mouse.
>> after a bit of pottering about, muttering, cussing and swearing, I thought 
>> it finally time to ask others how they managed to resolve this.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Shaun.
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timezine fixed!

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all, I managed to get it to play nicely. I just had to wait a little while 
to get it to find what I wanted.
the tick box idea worked. thanks Zac

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Re: setting the timezone in ML

[Shaun Oliver]

I managed to resolve it. Thanks. xx.

On 20/06/2013, at 1:55 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> All I did was just choose my closes city in the combo box. after unchecking 
> the time zone by location box. Much easier that way especially since I don't 
> travel but once or twice a year.
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I've just done a complete reinstall of ML on my MBP
>> However, I'm finding it hard to set the proper timezone.
>> I live in Adelaide SA and want my timezone to reflect this. The issue is, 
>> the damned country selection is a map and only accessible with the accursed 
>> mouse.
>> after a bit of pottering about, muttering, cussing and swearing, I thought 
>> it finally time to ask others how they managed to resolve this.
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: setting the timezone in ML

[Shaun Oliver]

ooh! that'll come in handy. thanks, love.

On 20/06/2013, at 1:58 AM, Sarah k Alawami  wrote:

> to set the time zone zia the terminal here is the blog article link I found.
> 
> http://slaptijack.com/system-administration/set-mac-os-x-time-zone-from-the-command-line/
> 
> 
> 
> Here are some examples.
> 
> $ sudo systemsetup -gettimezone
> Time Zone: US/Eastern
> $ sudo systemsetup -listtimezones
> 
> $ sudo systemsetup -settimezone US/Central
> Set TimeZone: US/Central
> $ sudo systemsetup -gettimezone
> Time Zone: US/Central
> 
> If you are in another country I don't know how that would work but good luck.
> On Jun 18, 2013, at 9:17 PM, Shaun Oliver  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I've just done a complete reinstall of ML on my MBP
>> However, I'm finding it hard to set the proper timezone.
>> I live in Adelaide SA and want my timezone to reflect this. The issue is, 
>> the damned country selection is a map and only accessible with the accursed 
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>> Thanks in advance.
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working with MS word documents.

[Shaun Oliver]

Hi all,
can someone point me in teh right direction as to teh best solution for working 
with MS word documents from within my mac?
given that I deal with people that insist on using a certain other operating 
system with it's accompanying office package, I need some level of 
compatibility and interoperability with said documents.
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Re: get iplayer automator (was Accessible Internet Browsers) For the Mack and Voiceover withMountain Lion

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actualy, no, you don't. I've been here in australia using it and it still works.

On 08/07/2013, at 10:32 PM, Isaac Hebert  wrote:

> probably because you have to be in the UK for this to work.
> 
> On 7/8/13, Orin  wrote:
>> Does anyone know why the audio description doesn't download? I'm outside the
>> UK, but I have that checkbox checked in prefrences and it won't work.
>> 
>> Orin
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>> On Jul 8, 2013, at 8:28 AM, Paul Hopewell  wrote:
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>>> Hello,
>>> FYI I attach an article on Get iPlayer Automator which I recently
>>> submitted to the RNIB online magazine Access IT.
>>> Enjoy
>>> 
>>> wawsxx I have just published
>>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 11:59, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>>> 
 Hello Andy,
 
 Don't despair! There's a solution.
 
 The app you need is Get iPlayer Automator
 
 
 
 It works even outside the UK.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Anne
 
 On 8 Jul 2013, at 12:05, ANDY COLLINS  wrote:
 
> Hi all -
> 
> New to the Mac, only had my MacBook Air for 3 weeks. I'm interested in
> the possibility of using a different web browser, as I want to use
> 
> www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer
> 
> to listen to radio/TV programmes I miss, here in the UK. I'm able to
> find the programme I want to listen too, but the play button is a
> graphic, and VO can't see it. JAWS under Windows was ok with this, as
> the BBC was made aware of the problem, and made it accessible, but they
> don't appear to have taken Mac users in to consideration. I'll contact
> them about this, but in the meantime, don't want to keep missing
> programmes. Of course, I could be wrong, and maybe there is a way to
> have VO see the play button when in a graphic, and I just don't know how
> to make it happen, so if anybody knows if VO can be made to see these
> graphic buttons, I'd appreciate the knowledge -
> 
> Andy
> - Original Message - From: "Paul Hopewell"
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> withMountain Lion
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>> Hello,
>> I find that the lightning browser works fine with VoiceOver and often
>> allows me to access buttons and the like which Safari cannot find for
>> whatever reason. I recommend that you give it a go. It is in the App
>> store.
>> 
>> Paul Hopewell
>> 
>> On 8 Jul 2013, at 02:02, gaggor...@gmail.com wrote:
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>>> Hello Listers:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I heard that there are other options for browsers which are compatible
>>> with
>>> Voiceover.  Is this true?  If so, where do I obtain swuch a one?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Any help would be appreciated.  Thanks much.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: Skype Accessibility

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Hi, I'd like to see automatic reading of chat messages, especiallyu on 
the IOS client. also, on the IOS client, I'd like to see the 
speaker/earpiece button go back to a toggle insteade of a popup like 
situation.



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I’m in close communications with Skype about Mac OS X and iOS clients,
especially when it comes to VoiceOver accessibility. I would like to
know what it is you, the user like to see as new functionality for
VoiceOver, fixed, or otherwise improved upon when it comes to Mac OS X
VoiceOver accessibility and Mac Skype client.

Please, the more detailed, specific, and number of suggestion’s/issues
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Re: New Member Welcome

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Hi Pula,
There's beer in the fridge also, should you wish to partake.
welcome to our ever growing community.


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Hi Pula,

welcome to our inner sanctum.

tea and coffee making facilities are always available, with a fresh selection 
of chocolate, biscuits and other comforts.

pleas feel free to ask any questions mac related, no matter how daft they are. 
We're a fun bunch and always happy to help.

all the best and a merry christmas.

lew

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Re: VO helping me center a face in my iPhone's viewfinder

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I'd love to know how to do this. I tried but it wouldn't work. it'd 
certainly make taking pictures a good deal easier.



On 18/12/2011 23:12, Maria, Joe and Karly wrote:

hmm i have never had it do this.  must try and see.

interesting.

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On 18/12/2011 8:20 AM, Bryan Jones wrote:

Hi Folks,

I imagine most of you already know about this feature, but I don't 
recall knowing about it until this afternoon when I stumbled upon it 
completely by accident. I think this is pretty darn cool.


I was lying on the floor with the dog snoring against my left  side 
and the cat purring against my right, so I thought I'd hold the 
iPhone camera at arm's length and try to snap a photo. I launched the 
native camera app on my iphone 4 running IOS 5, put it in photo mode 
with auto flash and back-facing camera, held it straight in front of 
me with the back-facing lens aimed in the general direction of my 
face, and prepared to snap one of my standard off-center photos.


. Next thing I knew, VO started saying," One face, small face, near 
top edge." I tilted the iPhone a bit and VO announced, "One face, 
small face, near left edge. I kept tilting the phone until VO 
announce, "face centered." Then I moved the camera closer to my face 
and VO announced, "One face, large face, face centered."


I then switched cameras to the front camera and got the same results. 
I also tried this in video mode but VO was silent.


Lastly, I tried aiming the back facing camera at my Black Lab's face 
but could not get VO to recognize her. The cat decided she didn't 
want to be part of this experiment and ran off somewhere.


I wonder what other IOS accessibility marvels I'm missing.

Cheers,
Bryan

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Re: the ./configure command in terminal.

[Shaun Oliver]

the ./configure command isn't a command, it's a shell script that's run 
to facilitate the setting up of hte source before you compile it. it 
works out the paths to your c/c++ compilers, what libs you hae on your 
system, what libs the source needs and whether or not it can function 
without them, whether or not you want to bild a dynamicly link binary or 
a staticly linked one.
you might want to first, check the permissions on the script, and make 
sure it's marked as executable.

hth



Shaun

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Hi Folks:

I am trying to compile Pure-FTPD server however the ./configure command doesn't 
work.

What can I do to solve this problem?

Thanks all over the place.


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Can't pair keyboard to IPhone

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Hi,
I'm trying to pair an apple wireless keyboard to my new iphone, but every time 
i try, it keeps telling me to check that the keyboard is turned on and in 
range, both of which are the case. The keyboard is the same one you get with an 
Imac.


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Re: Can't pair keyboard to IPhone

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I finally got it to pair. took one or two swear words, a bit of 
patients, of which I had none, at that point, and it worked.




Shaun

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On 16/03/2012 23:58, Geoff Waaler wrote:

Hi Shaun,

A couple IOS versions ago I experienced a situation where I was unable 
to pair until I cleared out all items from the task switcher.  Since 
then, when anything FUBARs, my initial step is to clear that puppy.


Secondly, I believe the keyboard is only in pairing mode for a few 
seconds after powering up.  You may want to remove the batteries so as 
to make certain of it's on/off state, press and hold the power button, 
and try pairing again to see if it appears in your list of available 
devices.


Best regards.
Geoff

- Original Message - From: "Shaun Oliver" 
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Subject: Can't pair keyboard to IPhone



Hi,
I'm trying to pair an apple wireless keyboard to my new iphone, but 
every time i try, it keeps telling me to check that the keyboard is 
turned on and in range, both of which are the case. The keyboard is 
the same one you get with an Imac.



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Re: Can't pair keyboard to IPhone

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hehe. I never thought of that.
thanks heaps.



Shaun

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On 17/03/2012 00:06, Esther wrote:

Hi Shaun,

One further suggestion to add to Geoff's excellent suggestions: you mention 
that the keyboard is the same one as you get with an iMac.  Is it possible that 
your keyboard is still paired with an iMac or other computer or device?  I 
mention this because if your Apple Wireless Keyboard is paired with another 
device, you won't be able to pair it with your iPhone.  There was an instance 
where someone who was having difficulty pairing their keyboard to an iOS 
device, discovered that it was still paired to their Mac computer, two rooms 
away -- which they thought would be outside the active Bluetooth reception 
area.  Just something else to check.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Mar 16, 2012, at 3:28 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:


Hi Shaun,

A couple IOS versions ago I experienced a situation where I was unable to pair 
until I cleared out all items from the task switcher.  Since then, when 
anything FUBARs, my initial step is to clear that puppy.

Secondly, I believe the keyboard is only in pairing mode for a few seconds 
after powering up.  You may want to remove the batteries so as to make certain 
of it's on/off state, press and hold the power button, and try pairing again to 
see if it appears in your list of available devices.

Best regards.
Geoff

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To: "Mac Access"
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 1:53 AM
Subject: Can't pair keyboard to IPhone



Hi,
I'm trying to pair an apple wireless keyboard to my new iphone, but every time 
i try, it keeps telling me to check that the keyboard is turned on and in 
range, both of which are the case. The keyboard is the same one you get with an 
Imac.


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