Re: New iPad

2013-12-30 Thread Chris H 

Hi
thanks, yes i know what you mean, if you have an iPad already then 
probably not worth the upgrade, as for me it's my first iPad as quoted 
in the original thread.


Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris

On 30/12/2013 00:08, Gordon Smith wrote:

  Hi Chris
  If you've used an iPhone, which I know you have, you'll have no
trouble adapting to the iPan Mini.  The procedures for using it with VO
are very much the same.  I personally really like the new Mini, although
I cannot currently justify the upgrade, as my 3rd generation iPad still
works very well.

  Kind Regards
  Gordon Smith
  Information Technology Accessibility consultant
  Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss: Advice On
Accessible Information Technologies And Braille Transcription Services.


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re: New iPad

2013-12-29 Thread Gordon Smith 

 Hi Chris
 If you've used an iPhone, which I know you have, you'll have no 
trouble adapting to the iPan Mini.  The procedures for using it 
with VO are very much the same.  I personally really like the new 
Mini, although I cannot currently justify the upgrade, as my 3rd 
generation iPad still works very well.


 Kind Regards
 Gordon Smith
 Information Technology Accessibility consultant
 Providing Support For Young People Living With Sight Loss:  
Advice On Accessible Information Technologies And Braille 
Transcription Services.



- Original Message -
From: Chris H well i've bit the bullet and placed my order for my very first 
tablet,
iPad mini with Retina Display, this is a treat for myself since 
did not
get one for the holidays, also as they say new year new start, i 
chose
silver for colour and a wopping 128 gb for capacity, this is so i 
can
store my ever expanding music collection and other data on there, 
should
be fantastic! Please be gentle as new to tablet computing, 
thanks.

--
Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris
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Re: New iPad

2013-12-29 Thread john gallagher 
hi there well now at least we have the choice i have just upgraded to a new 
iphone where i can connect my new device to the  mac. sadly though i cannot 
seem to do this with my new braille sense u 2 mini as when i try to connect to 
the mac it says cannot find drivers. never mind maybe there is a way to acquire 
the drivers. i have the mac book pro and am still learning 

- Original Message -
From: meadowlark77 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Date: Sunday, 29 December 2013 3.02 am
Subject: Re: New iPad

>
>
> It's fantastic! Thinking of it at some point.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Brenda
> 
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message - 
> From: "beChris H" 
> To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11.04 AM
> Subject: Re: New iPad
> 
> 
> Hi Brenda
> please do, smile.
> 
> Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris
> 
> On 28/12/2013 17.00, meadowlark77 wrote:
> > That sounds like an awesome iPad. Phew! Alright, then! Just had to enjoy 
> > the
> > excitement with ya!
> > "still
> > Take care,
> >
> > Brenda
> >
> > mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "beChris H" 
> > To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6.16 AM
> > Subject: New iPad
> >
> >
> > Hi all
> > well i've bit the bullet and placed my order for my very first tablet,
> > iPad mini with Retina Display, this is a treat for myself since did not
> > get one for the holidays, also as they say new year new start, i chose
> > silver for colour and a wopping 128 gb for capacity, this is so i can
> > store my ever expanding music collection and other data on there, should
> > be fantastic! Please be gentle as new to tablet computing, thanks.
> >
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Re: New iPad

2013-12-28 Thread meadowlark77 
It's fantastic! Thinking of it at some point.

Take care,

Brenda

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- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "OS X & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: New iPad


Hi Brenda
please do, smile.

Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris

On 28/12/2013 17:00, meadowlark77 wrote:
> That sounds like an awesome iPad. Phew! Alright, then! Just had to enjoy 
> the
> excitement with ya!
> \
> Take care,
>
> Brenda
>
> mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
> - Original Message -
> From: "Chris H" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:16 AM
> Subject: New iPad
>
>
> Hi all
> well i've bit the bullet and placed my order for my very first tablet,
> iPad mini with Retina Display, this is a treat for myself since did not
> get one for the holidays, also as they say new year new start, i chose
> silver for colour and a wopping 128 gb for capacity, this is so i can
> store my ever expanding music collection and other data on there, should
> be fantastic! Please be gentle as new to tablet computing, thanks.
>
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Re: New iPad

2013-12-28 Thread Chris H 

Hi Brenda
please do, smile.

Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris

On 28/12/2013 17:00, meadowlark77 wrote:

That sounds like an awesome iPad. Phew! Alright, then! Just had to enjoy the
excitement with ya!
\
Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message -
From: "Chris H" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:16 AM
Subject: New iPad


Hi all
well i've bit the bullet and placed my order for my very first tablet,
iPad mini with Retina Display, this is a treat for myself since did not
get one for the holidays, also as they say new year new start, i chose
silver for colour and a wopping 128 gb for capacity, this is so i can
store my ever expanding music collection and other data on there, should
be fantastic! Please be gentle as new to tablet computing, thanks.


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Re: New iPad

2013-12-28 Thread meadowlark77 
That sounds like an awesome iPad. Phew! Alright, then! Just had to enjoy the 
excitement with ya!
\
Take care,

Brenda

mailto:meadowlar...@cox.net
- Original Message - 
From: "Chris H" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:16 AM
Subject: New iPad


Hi all
well i've bit the bullet and placed my order for my very first tablet,
iPad mini with Retina Display, this is a treat for myself since did not
get one for the holidays, also as they say new year new start, i chose
silver for colour and a wopping 128 gb for capacity, this is so i can
store my ever expanding music collection and other data on there, should
be fantastic! Please be gentle as new to tablet computing, thanks.
-- 
Best wishes for Christmas and 2014 Chris
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Re: new ipad

2012-03-09 Thread Glenn 
It would not look different, it would be an on-screen keyboard.
Just software.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "1smart...@cox.net" <1smart...@cox.net>
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad


If only you could see the look on my face! Although I do know some folks,
both sighted and blind who could use two-handed instructions on said toilet
paper.

I absolutely do not want my IOS devices to look like a piece of adaptive
equipment. My very nice never used beautiful Perkins braille writer has dust
all over the cover and my Braille keyboard Voice Note has a dead battery and
is in a drawer somewhere.

Karen

- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Waaler" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad


> And you honestly consider that to be a reasonable request?  I'll go you
> one better.  How about demanding that every sheet of toilet paper be
> embossed with Braille instructions describing how to locate the area of
> application? After all, as a blind person I may never be able to locate it
> otherwise?
>
> My concern is that if a company takes the steps that Apple has and people
> demand modifications such as you describe, as a CEO I'd take that as an
> indication that I need to get out of the business and leave it to the
> access technology people to worry about accessibility.  And ironically, I
> suspect most blind people would prefer to work with a QWERTY!!
>
> Best regards.
> Geoff
>
> - Original Message ----- 
> From: "Glenn" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: new ipad
>
>
>>A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a
>> touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
>> Glenn
>>
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Panarese" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: new ipad
>>
>>
>>   I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like
>> this.
>> People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for
>> the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks.
>> Thus,
>> the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.
>>
>> However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the
>> improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is
>> a
>> vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the
>> improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to
>> get
>> fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers
>> really start taking advantage of its new specs.
>>
>> So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have,
>> that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap
>> reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards
>> accessibility and go assuming anything.
>>
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> jpanar...@mac-access.net
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>>
>>> So, why are you so upset about it. The IPad and all like devices prime
>>> market is for people with vision.
>>> What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?
>>>
>>> On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>>
>>>> new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
>>>> all about colors etc
>>>> stickw tih ipad 2 if you have it lol i would it does the job if it aint
>>>> broke, don't fix it
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: new ipad

2012-03-09 Thread Sean Murphy 
One thing about the new IPAD. The 4g selling point is an USA mobile (cellular) 
standard. I do not know if it is something available in Europe. I believe it 
use's a 1800 frequency. So countries like Australia cannot use the 4g component.


I wish the hell the Telco industry would standardise mobile technology so 
everyone uses the same frequency. But licences and governments like to screw 
people around.

Sean  
On 09/03/2012, at 6:55 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Just to correct you here. Yes, Apple does allow it, and yes they do exist, 
> but experimentally so. However, the companies haven't made it into a regular 
> keyboard such as the ones you can set under Keyboard preferences in Settings, 
> which is also possible to do without any particular access to any source 
> code. You don't need any low-level access in iOS to do this, so if the 
> company can make it a workable solution, it's perfectly able to be 
> worthwhile. I admit it'd be interesting to try, but it wouldn't make me 
> faster.
> 
> Even so, though, the fact it is a small demand makes Apple less likely to do 
> it. Most companies probably wouldn't go for small-demand features, at least, 
> not often I'd think.
> 
> Regards,
> Nicolai
> On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:40 AM, Glenn wrote:
> 
>> That is not a big demand!
>> Get real, it just an on-screen keyboard.
>> There are companies that have done it already, but Apple does not allow 
>> access to that level of the source code.
>> There are a lot of Blind folks who can use a Braille keyboard, and have 
>> never typed on a computer keyboard.
>> Either you did not think out your response, or you did not get what I meant 
>> by a Perkins-style on-screen keyboard.
>> Glenn
>> ----- Original Message - 
>> From: "Geoff Waaler" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:35 PM
>> Subject: Re: new ipad
>> 
>> 
>> And you honestly consider that to be a reasonable request?  I'll go you one
>> better.  How about demanding that every sheet of toilet paper be embossed
>> with Braille instructions describing how to locate the area of application?
>> After all, as a blind person I may never be able to locate it otherwise?
>> 
>> My concern is that if a company takes the steps that Apple has and people
>> demand modifications such as you describe, as a CEO I'd take that as an
>> indication that I need to get out of the business and leave it to the access
>> technology people to worry about accessibility.  And ironically, I suspect
>> most blind people would prefer to work with a QWERTY!!
>> 
>> Best regards.
>> Geoff
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "Glenn" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:14 PM
>> Subject: Re: new ipad
>> 
>> 
>>> A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a
>>> touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
>>> Glenn
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: "John Panarese" 
>>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
>>> Subject: Re: new ipad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like
>>> this.
>>> People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for
>>> the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks.
>>> Thus,
>>> the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.
>>> 
>>>   However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the
>>> improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is a
>>> vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the
>>> improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to
>>> get
>>> fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers
>>> really start taking advantage of its new specs.
>>> 
>>>   So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have,
>>> that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap
>>> reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards
>>> accessibility and go assuming anything.
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> John Panarese
>>> jpanar...@mac-access.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2012, at

Re: new ipad

2012-03-08 Thread Nicolai Svendsen 
Hi,

Just to correct you here. Yes, Apple does allow it, and yes they do exist, but 
experimentally so. However, the companies haven't made it into a regular 
keyboard such as the ones you can set under Keyboard preferences in Settings, 
which is also possible to do without any particular access to any source code. 
You don't need any low-level access in iOS to do this, so if the company can 
make it a workable solution, it's perfectly able to be worthwhile. I admit it'd 
be interesting to try, but it wouldn't make me faster.

Even so, though, the fact it is a small demand makes Apple less likely to do 
it. Most companies probably wouldn't go for small-demand features, at least, 
not often I'd think.

Regards,
Nicolai
On Mar 9, 2012, at 4:40 AM, Glenn wrote:

> That is not a big demand!
> Get real, it just an on-screen keyboard.
> There are companies that have done it already, but Apple does not allow 
> access to that level of the source code.
> There are a lot of Blind folks who can use a Braille keyboard, and have 
> never typed on a computer keyboard.
> Either you did not think out your response, or you did not get what I meant 
> by a Perkins-style on-screen keyboard.
> Glenn
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Geoff Waaler" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:35 PM
> Subject: Re: new ipad
> 
> 
> And you honestly consider that to be a reasonable request?  I'll go you one
> better.  How about demanding that every sheet of toilet paper be embossed
> with Braille instructions describing how to locate the area of application?
> After all, as a blind person I may never be able to locate it otherwise?
> 
> My concern is that if a company takes the steps that Apple has and people
> demand modifications such as you describe, as a CEO I'd take that as an
> indication that I need to get out of the business and leave it to the access
> technology people to worry about accessibility.  And ironically, I suspect
> most blind people would prefer to work with a QWERTY!!
> 
> Best regards.
> Geoff
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Glenn" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:14 PM
> Subject: Re: new ipad
> 
> 
>> A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a
>> touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
>> Glenn
>> 
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: "John Panarese" 
>> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
>> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
>> Subject: Re: new ipad
>> 
>> 
>>  I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like
>> this.
>> People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for
>> the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks.
>> Thus,
>> the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.
>> 
>>However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the
>> improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is a
>> vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the
>> improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to
>> get
>> fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers
>> really start taking advantage of its new specs.
>> 
>>So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have,
>> that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap
>> reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards
>> accessibility and go assuming anything.
>> 
>> Take Care
>> John Panarese
>> jpanar...@mac-access.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>> 
>>> So, why are you so upset about it. The IPad and all like devices prime
>>> market is for people with vision.
>>> What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?
>>> 
>>> On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>> 
>>>> new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
>>>> all about colors etc
>>>> stickw tih ipad 2 if you have it lol i would it does the job if it aint
>>>> broke, don't fix it
>>>> 
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Re: new ipad

2012-03-08 Thread 1smart...@cox.net 
If only you could see the look on my face! Although I do know some folks, 
both sighted and blind who could use two-handed instructions on said toilet 
paper.


I absolutely do not want my IOS devices to look like a piece of adaptive 
equipment. My very nice never used beautiful Perkins braille writer has dust 
all over the cover and my Braille keyboard Voice Note has a dead battery and 
is in a drawer somewhere.


Karen

- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Waaler" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad


And you honestly consider that to be a reasonable request?  I'll go you 
one better.  How about demanding that every sheet of toilet paper be 
embossed with Braille instructions describing how to locate the area of 
application? After all, as a blind person I may never be able to locate it 
otherwise?


My concern is that if a company takes the steps that Apple has and people 
demand modifications such as you describe, as a CEO I'd take that as an 
indication that I need to get out of the business and leave it to the 
access technology people to worry about accessibility.  And ironically, I 
suspect most blind people would prefer to work with a QWERTY!!


Best regards.
Geoff

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad



A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a
touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: "John Panarese" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: new ipad


  I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like 
this.

People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for
the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks. 
Thus,

the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.

However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the
improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is 
a

vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the
improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to 
get

fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers
really start taking advantage of its new specs.

So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have,
that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap
reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards
accessibility and go assuming anything.

Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@mac-access.net



On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:


So, why are you so upset about it. The IPad and all like devices prime
market is for people with vision.
What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?

On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:


new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
all about colors etc
stickw tih ipad 2 if you have it lol i would it does the job if it aint
broke, don't fix it


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2012-03-08 Thread Glenn 
That is not a big demand!
Get real, it just an on-screen keyboard.
There are companies that have done it already, but Apple does not allow 
access to that level of the source code.
There are a lot of Blind folks who can use a Braille keyboard, and have 
never typed on a computer keyboard.
Either you did not think out your response, or you did not get what I meant 
by a Perkins-style on-screen keyboard.
Glenn
- Original Message - 
From: "Geoff Waaler" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad


And you honestly consider that to be a reasonable request?  I'll go you one
better.  How about demanding that every sheet of toilet paper be embossed
with Braille instructions describing how to locate the area of application?
After all, as a blind person I may never be able to locate it otherwise?

My concern is that if a company takes the steps that Apple has and people
demand modifications such as you describe, as a CEO I'd take that as an
indication that I need to get out of the business and leave it to the access
technology people to worry about accessibility.  And ironically, I suspect
most blind people would prefer to work with a QWERTY!!

Best regards.
Geoff

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad


>A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a
> touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
> Glenn
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "John Panarese" 
> To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
> Subject: Re: new ipad
>
>
>   I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like
> this.
> People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for
> the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks.
> Thus,
> the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.
>
> However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the
> improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is a
> vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the
> improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to
> get
> fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers
> really start taking advantage of its new specs.
>
> So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have,
> that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap
> reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards
> accessibility and go assuming anything.
>
> Take Care
> John Panarese
> jpanar...@mac-access.net
>
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2012, at 4:56 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
>
>> So, why are you so upset about it. The IPad and all like devices prime
>> market is for people with vision.
>> What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?
>>
>> On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:
>>
>>> new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
>>> all about colors etc
>>> stickw tih ipad 2 if you have it lol i would it does the job if it aint
>>> broke, don't fix it
>>>
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Re: new ipad

2012-03-08 Thread Geoff Waaler 
And you honestly consider that to be a reasonable request?  I'll go you one 
better.  How about demanding that every sheet of toilet paper be embossed 
with Braille instructions describing how to locate the area of application? 
After all, as a blind person I may never be able to locate it otherwise?


My concern is that if a company takes the steps that Apple has and people 
demand modifications such as you describe, as a CEO I'd take that as an 
indication that I need to get out of the business and leave it to the access 
technology people to worry about accessibility.  And ironically, I suspect 
most blind people would prefer to work with a QWERTY!!


Best regards.
Geoff

- Original Message - 
From: "Glenn" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: Re: new ipad



A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a
touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: "John Panarese" 

To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: new ipad


  I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like 
this.

People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for
the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks. 
Thus,

the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.

However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the
improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is a
vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the
improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to 
get

fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers
really start taking advantage of its new specs.

So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have,
that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap
reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards
accessibility and go assuming anything.

Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@mac-access.net



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So, why are you so upset about it. The IPad and all like devices prime
market is for people with vision.
What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?

On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:


new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
all about colors etc
stickw tih ipad 2 if you have it lol i would it does the job if it aint
broke, don't fix it


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2012-03-08 Thread Glenn 
A better camera would indeed benefit us, and Apple needs to get a 
touch-screen keyboard that mimics a Perkins's keyboard.
Glenn

- Original Message - 
From: "John Panarese" 
To: "Mac OSX & iOS Accessibility" 
Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2012 9:15 AM
Subject: Re: new ipad


   I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like this. 
People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for 
the blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks.  Thus, 
the bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.

 However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the 
improvements to the processor and camera won't benefit the blind.  It is a 
vast improvement overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the 
improvements are never apparent from the presentation and don't seem to get 
fully realized until the device is being sold and third party developers 
really start taking advantage of its new specs.

 So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have, 
that is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap 
reactions simply from a presentation that was not geared towards 
accessibility and go assuming anything.

Take Care
John Panarese
jpanar...@mac-access.net



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> So, why are you so upset about it. The IPad and all like devices prime 
> market is for people with vision.
> What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?
>
> On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:
>
>> new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
>> all about colors etc
>> stickw tih ipad 2 if you have it lol i would it does the job if it aint 
>> broke, don't fix it
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2012-03-08 Thread John Panarese 
   I can tell you how many times I read these knee jerk reactions like this.  
People seem to foget that the iPad and other devices are not marketed for the 
blind.  The vast majority of the market share are sighted folks.  Thus, the 
bells and whistles are going to be orientated for that population.

 However, as pointed out, that does not at all mean that the improvements 
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overall, and as with any new iDevice, the extent of the improvements are never 
apparent from the presentation and don't seem to get fully realized until the 
device is being sold and third party developers really start taking advantage 
of its new specs.

 So, if you don't need a new iPad or you are happy with what you have, that 
is fine.  The new iPad may not be for you.  However, don't make snap reactions 
simply from a presentation that was not geared towards accessibility and go 
assuming anything.

Take Care
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> What would have you like to seen in the product specifically for VI's?  
> 
> On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:
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>>  new ipad waste money for us what was all that about touch and feel?
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2012-03-08 Thread Gordon Keen 
Also it should be remembered that developers might be able to add functionality 
to existing software because of improved hardware for example the higher 
quality camera might improve o.c.r apps and other scanning software for 
voiceover to work with.

Far to early to rush to judgement imho.

Regards

G

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is for people with vision. 
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On 08/03/2012, at 7:20 AM, william lomas wrote:

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