Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Darren Sque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  --- Michael Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> Nah, no waste!
> 
> 
> > Gretchen, sorry I can't be of more assistance with
> > the PC part of this.
> > I'll look at how we're connecting to the print
> > servers at work to see if I
> > can come back with any helpful info.  Don't give
> up
> > yet!
> 
> I think Gretchen may have more luck with static
> addresses than dhcp. So much easier for all the
> reasons I've explained before.

I tried walking her through disabling DHCP and
manually
setting an IP to disable BootP. I think she got
DHCP turned off but might still have BootP going on
the JetDirect.

BootP works pretty much like DHCP, except for if you
have a BootP server you can manually assign IPs to
devices by MAC address. Then you can sit at one
console and change all IPs on your network. DHCP
assigns IPs on a first come, first served basis.

Could download and install Web JetAdmin and do the
configuration in a friendly GUI environment, but
IIRC, you have to setup at least one print queue
and do some other things, so it's actually more
work than using Telnet.

Telnet is very useful. You can run the Telnet server
that comes with Windows XP (in XP Pro, dunno about
Home) then with a Telnet client on the Mac you can
run things on the PC.

'Course you can also do that with VNC (Virtual Network
Computing). That's freeware which puts the other
system's desktop in a window and you can use the mouse
and keyboard remotely. VNC runs on many platforms and
is fully cross-operational amongst most of them.

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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Darren Sque]

 --- Michael Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
Nah, no waste!


> Gretchen, sorry I can't be of more assistance with
> the PC part of this.
> I'll look at how we're connecting to the print
> servers at work to see if I
> can come back with any helpful info.  Don't give up
> yet!

I think Gretchen may have more luck with static
addresses than dhcp. So much easier for all the
reasons I've explained before.

Thanks for the run down on the Marknet pro, good to
know they both do appletalk.

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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Michael Clarke]

Nah, no waste!

Yeah, the information on that link is incorrect.  Both the Marknet Pro 1 & 3
support AppleTalk. 

I have the Marknet set up with a static IP address and an AppleTalk address.
I use the MarkVision software on the PC (Win XP) to connect to the printer,
and AppleTalk on the Mac (OS 9.2.2).

I've never worked with AppleTalk before, so that's where the "relatively"
easy part came in.  At first, I couldn't connect to the print server via the
Mac, but I went into the AppleTalk control panel and changed the network
portion of the AppleTalk address to match the network number that the
Marknet was configured with.  I was then able to add the LaserJet printer to
my desktop using the Chooser and the LaserWriter 8 driver.

Gretchen, sorry I can't be of more assistance with the PC part of this.
I'll look at how we're connecting to the print servers at work to see if I
can come back with any helpful info.  Don't give up yet!

Mike



On 2/15/04 8:20 PM, "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Clarke wrote:
> 
>> Hi Darren,
>> 
>> Thanks for your response!  I've decided to take a different route.  I found
>> an old Lexmark external print server (Marknet Pro 1), that's been sitting in
>> a cabinet for the last 5 years.  I know that was the recommended solution
>> for Gretchen already, but I thought that was just an OS X & TCP/IP solution.
>> This Lexmark supports both AppleTalk and TCP/IP, so I can use it with
>> Windows and Mac OS 9.2.2.  It was simple and (relatively) quick to set up.
>> I couldn't believe it!
> 
> Thanks? waste of bandwidth if you ask me. ;)
> Glad you already had a option.
> Heaps of info for the Lexmark around as well, seems only the Marknet
> pro 3 does appletalk according to this page:
> http://www.argecy.com/4033.html#MarkNet%20Pro
> Which isn't really a problem since your using tcp?
> 
> How have you set it up? a static address or it all works fine in with
> a dhcp setup? Interesting thing about appletalk is it will go places
> badly configured tcp wont and also through half rate firewalls. ;)
> 
> I'll stick to my nix box for use as a print-server. I've almost made
> enough mistakes to know what I'm doing.
> File and printer sharing is a administrators job, with that in mind
> simple and (relatively) quick is good enough for mine.
> 
> Gretchen should only need tcp, once filesharing is working both ways
> the printer (atleast one) will follow, samba only requires a few ports
> open accross the lan to do both. These ports are blocked by default by
> most nix and need to be opened manually, I'd guess OS X does a better
> job of this but I dont have it to try. The router may also play a part
> in the mix, another job handled by the nix box.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> 


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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Michael Clarke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't know what kind of setup HP has with the
> JetDirect, but the Lexmark
> uses proprietary software to connect to the print
> server via tcp/ip.  I'm
> sure you can also connect by creating a tcp/ip
> printer port on the PC, but I
> didn't have much luck with that option.  I hate
> having to install 3rd party
> software to do something that should be native to
> the OS, but like you, I
> was tired of messing around with it.

No proprietary software is *required* to setup a
JetDirect, just knowing how to reset the defaults
then it can be configured with nothing more than a
telnet client. However, for Windows there is the
Network Printer Install Wizard to automatically set
your network printer settings and Web JetAdmin for
configuring the JetDirect. It can even provide much
of the same internet printing abilities that newer
JetDirects with a built in web server have, for the
older ones like the EX Plus series. 'Course to do
that you need to use a PC with internet access on your
LAN as the internet printing gateway.

For the Mac side, if the printer and JetDirect are
setup properly and the Mac drivers for the printer
are installed, the printer should show up in the
Chooser or whatever OSX has instead of the Chooser. 

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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Michael Clarke]

I don't know what kind of setup HP has with the JetDirect, but the Lexmark
uses proprietary software to connect to the print server via tcp/ip.  I'm
sure you can also connect by creating a tcp/ip printer port on the PC, but I
didn't have much luck with that option.  I hate having to install 3rd party
software to do something that should be native to the OS, but like you, I
was tired of messing around with it.



On 2/15/04 11:57 AM, "Gretchen Summers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> So what I need is an old Lexmark (Marknet Pro 1), and my problem will
> be solved?!?
> 
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:00:30 -0600, Michael Clarke wrote:
>> Hi Darren,
>> 
>> Thanks for your response!  I've decided to take a different route.  I found
>> an old Lexmark external print server (Marknet Pro 1), that's been sitting in
>> a cabinet for the last 5 years.  I know that was the recommended solution
>> for Gretchen already, but I thought that was just an OS X & TCP/IP solution.
>> This Lexmark supports both AppleTalk and TCP/IP, so I can use it with
>> Windows and Mac OS 9.2.2.  It was simple and (relatively) quick to set up.
>> I couldn't believe it!
>> 
>> Thanks again,
>> 
>> Mike
> 
> *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

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> Date:  Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:29:48 -0800 (PST)
> From:  Gregg Eshelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> If I lived close to you, I'd be over there right
> now getting the printing working for you. :)

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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Darren]

Michael Clarke wrote:

Hi Darren,

Thanks for your response!  I've decided to take a different route.  I found
an old Lexmark external print server (Marknet Pro 1), that's been sitting in
a cabinet for the last 5 years.  I know that was the recommended solution
for Gretchen already, but I thought that was just an OS X & TCP/IP solution.
This Lexmark supports both AppleTalk and TCP/IP, so I can use it with
Windows and Mac OS 9.2.2.  It was simple and (relatively) quick to set up.
I couldn't believe it!
Thanks? waste of bandwidth if you ask me. ;)
Glad you already had a option.
Heaps of info for the Lexmark around as well, seems only the Marknet 
pro 3 does appletalk according to this page:
http://www.argecy.com/4033.html#MarkNet%20Pro
Which isn't really a problem since your using tcp?

How have you set it up? a static address or it all works fine in with 
a dhcp setup? Interesting thing about appletalk is it will go places 
badly configured tcp wont and also through half rate firewalls. ;)

I'll stick to my nix box for use as a print-server. I've almost made 
enough mistakes to know what I'm doing.
File and printer sharing is a administrators job, with that in mind 
simple and (relatively) quick is good enough for mine.

Gretchen should only need tcp, once filesharing is working both ways 
the printer (atleast one) will follow, samba only requires a few ports 
open accross the lan to do both. These ports are blocked by default by 
most nix and need to be opened manually, I'd guess OS X does a better 
job of this but I dont have it to try. The router may also play a part 
in the mix, another job handled by the nix box.

Cheers



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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Gregg Eshelman]

If I lived close to you, I'd be over there right
now getting the printing working for you. :)

Over 50 years of computers outputting data onto
dried sheets of wood pulp and they still haven't
gotten all the bugs out...

--- Gretchen Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'll take help anywhere I can get it;-)
> 
> On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:02:39 -0800 (PST), Gregg
> Eshelman wrote:
> >>  So what I need is an old Lexmark (Marknet Pro
> 1),
> >>  and my problem will be solved?!?
> > 
> > That or someone who knows JetDirects to put eyes
> on
> > the situation to get you going. ;)


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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

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I'll take help anywhere I can get it;-)

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 15:02:39 -0800 (PST), Gregg Eshelman wrote:
>>  So what I need is an old Lexmark (Marknet Pro 1),
>>  and my problem will be solved?!?
> 
> That or someone who knows JetDirects to put eyes on
> the situation to get you going. ;)

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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Gregg Eshelman]

--- Gretchen Summers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> So what I need is an old Lexmark (Marknet Pro 1),
> and my problem will be solved?!?

That or someone who knows JetDirects to put eyes on
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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Gretchen Summers]

So what I need is an old Lexmark (Marknet Pro 1), and my problem will 
be solved?!?

On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:00:30 -0600, Michael Clarke wrote:
> Hi Darren,
> 
> Thanks for your response!  I've decided to take a different route.  I found
> an old Lexmark external print server (Marknet Pro 1), that's been sitting in
> a cabinet for the last 5 years.  I know that was the recommended solution
> for Gretchen already, but I thought that was just an OS X & TCP/IP solution.
> This Lexmark supports both AppleTalk and TCP/IP, so I can use it with
> Windows and Mac OS 9.2.2.  It was simple and (relatively) quick to set up.
> I couldn't believe it!
> 
> Thanks again,
> 
> Mike

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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Michael Clarke]

On 2/13/04 10:16 PM, "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Michael Clarke wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I have a Win 2003 server with file and print svc for Macintosh installed.  I
>> have an HP LaserJet 5MP connected to the LPT1 port.  I cannot figure out how
>> to get this printer to use AppleTalk.  I've tried creating new port on the
>> existing printer, and starting from scratch and selecting AppleTalk Printing
>> Device as the port... all to no avail.  I just keep getting the message that
>> no AppleTalk devices can be located.  What am I missing here?  The HP has
>> Postscript language, Level 2, built-in, so that shouldn¹t be an issue.
>> 
>> The file sharing part works fine.  My Mac is a Wallstreet running OS 9.2.2,
>> but that¹s not even an issue yet, because I can¹t get the LaserJet to
>> magically turn into an AppleTalk print device!
> 
> Hi
> Not much help here I'm afraid.
> I only have NT4 but I will hook a printer up to it using Services for
> mac if no better answer comes your way.
> 
> Are you using the Laserwriter 8 extension or similar? Sorry this may
> not be helpful, my knowledge of printers is limited to the few I have.
> In this case I can setup a printer server using Pcmaclan and
> ghostscript so I can use share the HP 850c Deskjet. I imagine any
> other would be the same under Win2k3.
> 
> If the HP 850 is something like what you have I will try to share it
> from the Alpha (x8 the HDD space and happily running SFM under NT4,
> thanks for the tip Gregg!) which still has the noisiest and largest
> cooling fan I have ever found. The one in the bathroom looks like it
> was made for the job. ;) with lights!!
> 
> Ghostscript is yet another way to share printers to the classic macOS
> and I imagine the new world MacOS? Who knows?
> 
> As you can share files I'd guess you are half way there.
> 
> 
Hi Darren,

Thanks for your response!  I've decided to take a different route.  I found
an old Lexmark external print server (Marknet Pro 1), that's been sitting in
a cabinet for the last 5 years.  I know that was the recommended solution
for Gretchen already, but I thought that was just an OS X & TCP/IP solution.
This Lexmark supports both AppleTalk and TCP/IP, so I can use it with
Windows and Mac OS 9.2.2.  It was simple and (relatively) quick to set up.
I couldn't believe it!

Thanks again,

Mike


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Re: Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Darren]

Michael Clarke wrote:

Hi all,

I have a Win 2003 server with file and print svc for Macintosh installed.  I
have an HP LaserJet 5MP connected to the LPT1 port.  I cannot figure out how
to get this printer to use AppleTalk.  I've tried creating new port on the
existing printer, and starting from scratch and selecting AppleTalk Printing
Device as the port... all to no avail.  I just keep getting the message that
no AppleTalk devices can be located.  What am I missing here?  The HP has
Postscript language, Level 2, built-in, so that shouldn¹t be an issue.
The file sharing part works fine.  My Mac is a Wallstreet running OS 9.2.2,
but that¹s not even an issue yet, because I can¹t get the LaserJet to
magically turn into an AppleTalk print device!
Hi
Not much help here I'm afraid.
I only have NT4 but I will hook a printer up to it using Services for 
mac if no better answer comes your way.

Are you using the Laserwriter 8 extension or similar? Sorry this may 
not be helpful, my knowledge of printers is limited to the few I have.
In this case I can setup a printer server using Pcmaclan and 
ghostscript so I can use share the HP 850c Deskjet. I imagine any 
other would be the same under Win2k3.

If the HP 850 is something like what you have I will try to share it 
from the Alpha (x8 the HDD space and happily running SFM under NT4, 
thanks for the tip Gregg!) which still has the noisiest and largest 
cooling fan I have ever found. The one in the bathroom looks like it 
was made for the job. ;) with lights!!

Ghostscript is yet another way to share printers to the classic macOS 
and I imagine the new world MacOS? Who knows?

As you can share files I'd guess you are half way there.





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Yet another Windows/Mac printing problem!

[Michael Clarke]

Hi all,

I have a Win 2003 server with file and print svc for Macintosh installed.  I
have an HP LaserJet 5MP connected to the LPT1 port.  I cannot figure out how
to get this printer to use AppleTalk.  I've tried creating new port on the
existing printer, and starting from scratch and selecting AppleTalk Printing
Device as the port... all to no avail.  I just keep getting the message that
no AppleTalk devices can be located.  What am I missing here?  The HP has
Postscript language, Level 2, built-in, so that shouldn¹t be an issue.

The file sharing part works fine.  My Mac is a Wallstreet running OS 9.2.2,
but that¹s not even an issue yet, because I can¹t get the LaserJet to
magically turn into an AppleTalk print device!

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Mike


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