Re: [Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[Travis Gillin]

Anyone who is interested in this project, here is a link to a video up the 
UI making some cuts https://youtu.be/qyyjcHG_G4M

On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:41:45 PM UTC-4, Travis Gillin wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> This is not a special version of Machinekit. This is merely a GUI like 
> Axis, Touchy, Gmoccappy, etc. None of the currently available UI can run 
> without X to my knowledge except for some Text based UI's. This makes 
> running machinekit and controlling it on RPi or Beagle Bone without a 
> remote display tough. Until now, as far as I know, it is most popular to 
> run machinekit on embedded hardware as you explained via an 
> HTTP server/client setup which requires another device for the display. You 
> can run axis. gmoccapy, etc from inside X (even over the network via ssh) 
> but it is awfully slow and very impractical for commercial applications. My 
> goal is to solve this issue, we want to use the onboard video 
> capabilities of an embedded platform as the display interface by making the 
> best use as possible of the hardware it has. By cutting X out of the way, 
> we get rid of a whole lot of bloat and have direct control over how we 
> render to the display.
>
>
> On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:23:28 PM UTC-4, Chris Albertson wrote:
>>
>> One question about a GUI that draws to the frame buffer:   How do you 
>> share the screen with other software?  Here is a scenario.   You boot the 
>> machine and I guess you get to the command like X11 is not started,  Next 
>> you run the special version of MK that has the buffer writing GUI and you 
>> see the program start and then write to the screen.But now you want to 
>> copy a G-Code file over the network.  How do you start a terminal window?   
>> I assume you'd need a second computer or an iPad and login in via ssh.
>>
>> I've had the same problem, you have a tiny micro controller, smaller even 
>> then a Raspberry Pi and you want to put up a display but the computer lacks 
>> hardware.   In those casesI like to use HTTP.  Basically  I build a tiny 
>> micro-size web server in to the device.Most WiFi routers do this and 
>> many ink jet or laser printers too.  The user sets them up using a web 
>> browser.  
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 11:10 PM schoo...@gmail.com  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> HI Travis,
>>>
>>> I will be interested to have a look at this later.
>>>
>>> The includes you want should be in the flavor package
>>>
>>>
>>> https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/debian/machinekit-rt-preempt.install.in#L4
>>>
>>> We don't have a -dev package and each kernel has a specific sub package 
>>> which also contains the includes etc.
>>>
>>> I suspect you may have just installed machinekit, whereas you need 'apt 
>>> install machinekit machinekit rt-preempt' for instance.
>>>
>>> I will check the package contents later, but see no reason why those 
>>> would be missing.
>>>
>>> regards
>>>
>>> On 9/22/2018 8:07 PM, Travis Gillin wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded applications with fairly 
>>> low resources. It's C and C++ based and runs entirely without X, deals 
>>> directly with the framebuffer and evdev for mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen 
>>> also supported)
>>>
>>> I have a post here about it 
>>> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems. 
>>> I posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C (libNML) and this 
>>> has all been figured out most part. My trouble now is when I try to build 
>>> against machinekit, there is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or 
>>> /usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need "" & 
>>> "" equivalents for MachineKit. I know this project was 
>>> forked a while ago but I believe the NML interface is the same.  Could 
>>> someone here point me in the right direction?
>>>
>>> Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC just fine 
>>> and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM platform is this little 
>>> difference between LinuxCNC and Machinekit. 
>>>
>>> I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project because it 
>>> will allow people to use HDMI or virtually any type of display from Beagle 
>>> Bone, Rasp Pi, or other embedded devices that Machinekit has been ported 
>>> too and not have the "click and wait" lag.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Travis
>>> -- 
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Re: [Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[Travis Gillin]

Hi Chris,

This is not a special version of Machinekit. This is merely a GUI like 
Axis, Touchy, Gmoccappy, etc. None of the currently available UI can run 
without X to my knowledge except for some Text based UI's. This makes 
running machinekit and controlling it on RPi or Beagle Bone without a 
remote display tough. Until now, as far as I know, it is most popular to 
run machinekit on embedded hardware as you explained via an 
HTTP server/client setup which requires another device for the display. You 
can run axis. gmoccapy, etc from inside X (even over the network via ssh) 
but it is awfully slow and very impractical for commercial applications. My 
goal is to solve this issue, we want to use the onboard video 
capabilities of an embedded platform as the display interface by making the 
best use as possible of the hardware it has. By cutting X out of the way, 
we get rid of a whole lot of bloat and have direct control over how we 
render to the display.


On Monday, September 24, 2018 at 1:23:28 PM UTC-4, Chris Albertson wrote:
>
> One question about a GUI that draws to the frame buffer:   How do you 
> share the screen with other software?  Here is a scenario.   You boot the 
> machine and I guess you get to the command like X11 is not started,  Next 
> you run the special version of MK that has the buffer writing GUI and you 
> see the program start and then write to the screen.But now you want to 
> copy a G-Code file over the network.  How do you start a terminal window?   
> I assume you'd need a second computer or an iPad and login in via ssh.
>
> I've had the same problem, you have a tiny micro controller, smaller even 
> then a Raspberry Pi and you want to put up a display but the computer lacks 
> hardware.   In those casesI like to use HTTP.  Basically  I build a tiny 
> micro-size web server in to the device.Most WiFi routers do this and 
> many ink jet or laser printers too.  The user sets them up using a web 
> browser.  
>
> On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 11:10 PM schoo...@gmail.com  <
> schoo...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> HI Travis,
>>
>> I will be interested to have a look at this later.
>>
>> The includes you want should be in the flavor package
>>
>>
>> https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/debian/machinekit-rt-preempt.install.in#L4
>>
>> We don't have a -dev package and each kernel has a specific sub package 
>> which also contains the includes etc.
>>
>> I suspect you may have just installed machinekit, whereas you need 'apt 
>> install machinekit machinekit rt-preempt' for instance.
>>
>> I will check the package contents later, but see no reason why those 
>> would be missing.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> On 9/22/2018 8:07 PM, Travis Gillin wrote:
>>
>> I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded applications with fairly 
>> low resources. It's C and C++ based and runs entirely without X, deals 
>> directly with the framebuffer and evdev for mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen 
>> also supported)
>>
>> I have a post here about it 
>> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems. I 
>> posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C (libNML) and this 
>> has all been figured out most part. My trouble now is when I try to build 
>> against machinekit, there is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or 
>> /usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need "" & 
>> "" equivalents for MachineKit. I know this project was 
>> forked a while ago but I believe the NML interface is the same.  Could 
>> someone here point me in the right direction?
>>
>> Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC just fine 
>> and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM platform is this little 
>> difference between LinuxCNC and Machinekit. 
>>
>> I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project because it will 
>> allow people to use HDMI or virtually any type of display from Beagle Bone, 
>> Rasp Pi, or other embedded devices that Machinekit has been ported too and 
>> not have the "click and wait" lag.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Travis
>> -- 
>> website: http://www.machinekit.io blog: http://blog.machinekit.io 
>> github: https://github.com/machinekit
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Re: [Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[Chris Albertson]

One question about a GUI that draws to the frame buffer:   How do you share
the screen with other software?  Here is a scenario.   You boot the machine
and I guess you get to the command like X11 is not started,  Next you run
the special version of MK that has the buffer writing GUI and you see the
program start and then write to the screen.But now you want to copy a
G-Code file over the network.  How do you start a terminal window?   I
assume you'd need a second computer or an iPad and login in via ssh.

I've had the same problem, you have a tiny micro controller, smaller even
then a Raspberry Pi and you want to put up a display but the computer lacks
hardware.   In those casesI like to use HTTP.  Basically  I build a tiny
micro-size web server in to the device.Most WiFi routers do this and
many ink jet or laser printers too.  The user sets them up using a web
browser.

On Sat, Sep 22, 2018 at 11:10 PM schoone...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> HI Travis,
>
> I will be interested to have a look at this later.
>
> The includes you want should be in the flavor package
>
>
> https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/debian/machinekit-rt-preempt.install.in#L4
>
> We don't have a -dev package and each kernel has a specific sub package
> which also contains the includes etc.
>
> I suspect you may have just installed machinekit, whereas you need 'apt
> install machinekit machinekit rt-preempt' for instance.
>
> I will check the package contents later, but see no reason why those would
> be missing.
>
> regards
>
> On 9/22/2018 8:07 PM, Travis Gillin wrote:
>
> I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded applications with fairly
> low resources. It's C and C++ based and runs entirely without X, deals
> directly with the framebuffer and evdev for mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen
> also supported)
>
> I have a post here about it
> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems. I
> posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C (libNML) and this
> has all been figured out most part. My trouble now is when I try to build
> against machinekit, there is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or
> /usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need "" &
> "" equivalents for MachineKit. I know this project was
> forked a while ago but I believe the NML interface is the same.  Could
> someone here point me in the right direction?
>
> Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC just fine
> and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM platform is this little
> difference between LinuxCNC and Machinekit.
>
> I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project because it will
> allow people to use HDMI or virtually any type of display from Beagle Bone,
> Rasp Pi, or other embedded devices that Machinekit has been ported too and
> not have the "click and wait" lag.
>
> Thanks,
> Travis
> --
> website: http://www.machinekit.io blog: http://blog.machinekit.io github:
> https://github.com/machinekit
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Re: [Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[Travis Gillin]

Hey Schooner,

I bet you are right, I was using a pre-build Beagle Bone Black image of and 
the headers were missing there. I'll install the other packages and I bet 
that will clear things up so when I get a chance to give that a shot I'll 
let you know if that solved the problem.

I can add you to the repository, It will be public once it's stable and 
there at least some type of documentation for getting it up and running

Thanks,
Travis

On Sunday, September 23, 2018 at 5:53:15 AM UTC-4, Schooner wrote:
>
> Had a look at the forum thread in linuxcnc, sounds interesting.
>
> There is obviously a github repo somewhere you have shared with Michel 
> Wijnja
>
> If you would like to do the same, I will be happy to test build.
>
>
> On 23/09/18 07:11, schoo...@gmail.com  wrote:
>
> HI Travis,
>
> I will be interested to have a look at this later.
>
> The includes you want should be in the flavor package
>
>
> https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/debian/machinekit-rt-preempt.install.in#L4
>
> We don't have a -dev package and each kernel has a specific sub package 
> which also contains the includes etc.
>
> I suspect you may have just installed machinekit, whereas you need 'apt 
> install machinekit machinekit rt-preempt' for instance.
>
> I will check the package contents later, but see no reason why those would 
> be missing.
>
> regards
>
> On 9/22/2018 8:07 PM, Travis Gillin wrote:
>
> I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded applications with fairly 
> low resources. It's C and C++ based and runs entirely without X, deals 
> directly with the framebuffer and evdev for mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen 
> also supported)
>
> I have a post here about it 
> https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems. I 
> posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C (libNML) and this 
> has all been figured out most part. My trouble now is when I try to build 
> against machinekit, there is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or 
> /usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need "" & 
> "" equivalents for MachineKit. I know this project was 
> forked a while ago but I believe the NML interface is the same.  Could 
> someone here point me in the right direction?
>
> Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC just fine 
> and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM platform is this little 
> difference between LinuxCNC and Machinekit. 
>
> I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project because it will 
> allow people to use HDMI or virtually any type of display from Beagle Bone, 
> Rasp Pi, or other embedded devices that Machinekit has been ported too and 
> not have the "click and wait" lag.
>
> Thanks,
> Travis
> -- 
> website: http://www.machinekit.io blog: http://blog.machinekit.io github: 
> https://github.com/machinekit
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Re: [Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[schoone...@gmail.com]

  
  
Had a look at the forum thread in linuxcnc, sounds interesting.

There is obviously a github repo somewhere you have shared with
Michel Wijnja

If you would like to do the same, I will be happy to test build.


On 23/09/18 07:11, schoone...@gmail.com
  wrote:


  
  HI Travis,
  I will be interested to have a look at this later.
  The includes you want should be in the flavor package
  https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/debian/machinekit-rt-preempt.install.in#L4
  We don't have a -dev package and each kernel has a specific sub
package which also contains the includes etc.
  I suspect you may have just installed machinekit, whereas you
need 'apt install machinekit machinekit rt-preempt' for
instance.
  I will check the package contents later, but see no reason why
those would be missing.
  regards
  
  
  On 9/22/2018 8:07 PM, Travis Gillin
wrote:
  
  

I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded
  applications with fairly low resources. It's C and C++ based
  and runs entirely without X, deals directly with the
  framebuffer and evdev for mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen
  also supported)
  
  I have a post here about it https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems.
  I posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C
  (libNML) and this has all been figured out most part. My
  trouble now is when I try to build against machinekit, there
  is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or
  /usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need
  "" & ""
  equivalents for MachineKit. I know this project was forked a
  while ago but I believe the NML interface is the same.  Could
  someone here point me in the right direction?
  
  Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC
  just fine and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM
  platform is this little difference between LinuxCNC and
  Machinekit.
  
  
  I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project
because it will allow people to use HDMI or virtually any
type of display from Beagle Bone, Rasp Pi, or other
embedded devices that Machinekit has been ported too and not
have the "click and wait" lag.

Thanks,
Travis

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Re: [Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[schoone...@gmail.com]

HI Travis,

I will be interested to have a look at this later.

The includes you want should be in the flavor package

https://github.com/machinekit/machinekit/blob/master/debian/machinekit-rt-preempt.install.in#L4

We don't have a -dev package and each kernel has a specific sub package 
which also contains the includes etc.


I suspect you may have just installed machinekit, whereas you need 'apt 
install machinekit machinekit rt-preempt' for instance.


I will check the package contents later, but see no reason why those 
would be missing.


regards


On 9/22/2018 8:07 PM, Travis Gillin wrote:
I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded applications with 
fairly low resources. It's C and C++ based and runs 
entirely without X, deals directly with the framebuffer and evdev for 
mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen also supported)


I have a post here about it 
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems. 
I posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C (libNML) and 
this has all been figured out most part. My trouble now is when I try 
to build against machinekit, there is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or 
/usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need 
"" & "" equivalents for 
MachineKit. I know this project was forked a while ago but I believe 
the NML interface is the same.  Could someone here point me in the 
right direction?


Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC just 
fine and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM platform is this 
little difference between LinuxCNC and Machinekit.


I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project because it 
will allow people to use HDMI or virtually any type of display from 
Beagle Bone, Rasp Pi, or other embedded devices that Machinekit has 
been ported too and not have the "click and wait" lag.


Thanks,
Travis
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[Machinekit] GUI Geared towards Embedded Platforms

[Travis Gillin]

I'm working on a GUI that's meant for embedded applications with fairly low 
resources. It's C and C++ based and runs entirely without X, deals directly 
with the framebuffer and evdev for mouse & keyboard. (Touchscreen also 
supported)

I have a post here about it 
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/41-guis/35225-new-gui-for-embedded-systems. I 
posted here to figure out how to talk to LinuxCNC via C (libNML) and this 
has all been figured out most part. My trouble now is when I try to build 
against machinekit, there is no /usr/include/linuxcnc. (or 
/usr/include/machinekit either) Specifically I need "" & 
"" equivalents for MachineKit. I know this project was 
forked a while ago but I believe the NML interface is the same.  Could 
someone here point me in the right direction?

Right now the GUI runs on LinuxCNC on a regular Intel-based PC just fine 
and the only hang-up in migrating to our ARM platform is this little 
difference between LinuxCNC and Machinekit.

I think this GUI will be a great addition to this project because it will 
allow people to use HDMI or virtually any type of display from Beagle Bone, 
Rasp Pi, or other embedded devices that Machinekit has been ported too and 
not have the "click and wait" lag.

Thanks,
Travis

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