Re: Junk mail
On 10 Aug 2012, at 08:38 , Andrew Brown li...@c18.net wrote: I get a deal of spam, and have to check it all to make sure that there are no legitimate messages in there. I decided to get clever and set up an auto reply for all messages received from those not among my previous recipients, offering real people the chance to contact me by other means. This is a *terrible* idea. Not only are most of the messages going to bounce, but the ones that don’t are spamming innocent people who’s email addresses where forged. Stop doing this. Now. Never ever *EVER* auto reply to spam. -- If there's a bustle in your hedgerow don't be alarmed now. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
On 11 août 2012, at 16:24, LuKreme wrote: On 10 Aug 2012, at 08:38 , Andrew Brown li...@c18.net wrote: I get a deal of spam, and have to check it all to make sure that there are no legitimate messages in there. I decided to get clever and set up an auto reply for all messages received from those not among my previous recipients, offering real people the chance to contact me by other means. This is a *terrible* idea. Not only are most of the messages going to bounce, but the ones that don’t are spamming innocent people who’s email addresses where forged. Stop doing this. Now. Never ever *EVER* auto reply to spam. Yes, it does not work at all, as I soon discovered. The only viable option seems to be to delete all mail unseen from those to whom I have not written, and put up with the consequences. AB___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
On Aug 11, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: On 11 août 2012, at 16:24, LuKreme wrote: On 10 Aug 2012, at 08:38 , Andrew Brown li...@c18.net wrote: I get a deal of spam, and have to check it all to make sure that there are no legitimate messages in there. I decided to get clever and set up an auto reply for all messages received from those not among my previous recipients, offering real people the chance to contact me by other means. This is a *terrible* idea. Not only are most of the messages going to bounce, but the ones that don’t are spamming innocent people who’s email addresses where forged. Stop doing this. Now. Never ever *EVER* auto reply to spam. Yes, it does not work at all, as I soon discovered. The only viable option seems to be to delete all mail unseen from those to whom I have not written, and put up with the consequences. There is another option. Gmail does a terrific job of filtering out spam. Now that Google has been caught cheating and violating privacy, you might not trust them any longer -- I don't. But it's the only viable option I've found for dealing with spam. AB___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk This is coming from Mail.app. I hate the new Gmail web look, and dislike Mail only slightly less. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
On 11 aug 2012, at 19:07, Andrew Brown li...@c18.net wrote: There is another option. Gmail does a terrific job of filtering out spam. Yes, and pretty much else too. My number one colleague, with whom I exchange hundreds of mails a year, uses Gmail, and none of my messages get through. The Gmail pages explaining why would take centuries to read and eons to implement, so I use one of his secondary addresses, when I remember. This is your colleuges inbox and therefore his responsibility to let your email address be flaged as to be put in his inbox. All addresses in the inbox owners address book could or most often even should be allowed to get through. It is often just a matter of setting a preference option for this to happen and nothing complicated. Another way to put an 'allowed' rule for your address is to simply allow it when a mail is found and opened. This should be, regardless of if you/he use Ggles spam filter or Mail.app's filter. It is such a basic rule you going to find it in perhaps every spam filter you can find? Remind your colleuge to set this flag. In the same way you could benefit from using spam filter? After a period of training the filter it will let good in and mark spam with just a few misstakes. A lot of spam is repeated and is therefore easy to search and handled in batch form. A dedicated user (you) could bring order to the mess and leave just a minor problem to be taken care of by hand by using a spam filter. Use a junk box to let you look at those messages that been marked as spam. In there you can use searches to batch delete a lot and then let you make sure nothing good get deleted. If your inbox has a lot of messages coming in daily you could benefit from auto sorting some of your good messages in different boxes. This together with spam filter take a lot of the burden out of the inbox to present your mail for you. Hopefully you end up with an easily handable amount of messages left and still get a chance to make sure any message marked as spam is marked correct before deleting it. // John Stalberg___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
There is another option. Gmail does a terrific job of filtering out spam. Yes, and pretty much else too. My number one colleague, with whom I exchange hundreds of mails a year, uses Gmail, and none of my messages get through. The Gmail pages explaining why would take centuries to read and eons to implement, so I use one of his secondary addresses, when I remember. This is your colleuges inbox and therefore his responsibility to let your email address be flaged as to be put in his inbox. All addresses in the inbox owners address book could or most often even should be allowed to get through. It is often just a matter of setting a preference option for this to happen and nothing complicated. That's a good point. I had to train Gmail for about a month because one mailing list in particular would wind up in spam a lot. But after a month, the error rate dropped to almost zero. Still, privacy is an issue. As I said, my trust for Google dropped to zero overnight. --- This is coming from Mail.app. I hate the new Gmail web look, and dislike Mail only slightly less. ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
On 11 Aug 2012, at 09:47 , Michael keybou...@gmail.com wrote: Now that Google has been caught cheating and violating privacy, you might not trust them any longer Google had a check box for google plus that asked if you wanted +1 buttons on other pages. If you said Yes (giving them explicit permission, at least in their eyes) then they circumvented the settings in Safari that prevented that. From their point of view (and many users) this was perfectly reasonable. I trust Google a lot more than I trust Twitter, any government, or most any other corporation. (And Twitter went from Very High Trust to Very Low Trust in a single day). -- 'How come you know all that stuff?' 'I ain't just a pretty face.' 'You aren't even a pretty face, Gaspode.' ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
on 2012-08-11 12:11 John Stalberg wrote This is your colleuges inbox and therefore his responsibility to let your email address be flaged as to be put in his inbox. i don't keep any address book on my gmail accounts and have never had a problem with email getting through ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
on 2012-08-11 9:47 Michael wrote Now that Google has been caught cheating and violating privacy, you might not trust them any longer -- I don't. But it's the only viable option I've found for dealing with spam. i have my main email domain (this) with an independent email specialist, fastmail.fm; i pay a modest fee for very good service, including excellent spam filtering; i receive a few spam messages per day, not hard to handle, and not bad for an email address that has been in the wild for 13 years (for most of my account emails i use unique addresses); i haven't been spam-bombed (thousands of bounces coming back to my forged address) for more than a year, but that's not proof that fastmail has protected me from such i also have had gmail and mac.com accounts for several years with significant traffic, so i have a basis for comparison ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
On 11 août 2012, at 20:11, John Stalberg wrote: On 11 aug 2012, at 19:07, Andrew Brown li...@c18.net wrote: There is another option. Gmail does a terrific job of filtering out spam. Yes, and pretty much else too. My number one colleague, with whom I exchange hundreds of mails a year, uses Gmail, and none of my messages get through. The Gmail pages explaining why would take centuries to read and eons to implement, so I use one of his secondary addresses, when I remember. This is your colleuges inbox and therefore his responsibility to let your email address be flaged as to be put in his inbox. All addresses in the inbox owners address book could or most often even should be allowed to get through. It is often just a matter of setting a preference option for this to happen and nothing complicated. Another way to put an 'allowed' rule for your address is to simply allow it when a mail is found and opened. This should be, regardless of if you/he use Ggles spam filter or Mail.app's filter. It is such a basic rule you going to find it in perhaps every spam filter you can find? Remind your colleuge to set this flag. He's done all that, nothing helps, my messages are not reaching his machine. As I said, this is a common enough problem with Google for them to devote many pages to the issue. Perhaps Google feels the same way about me that I feel about Google, and treats my messages the way I treat theirs. In the same way you could benefit from using spam filter? After a period of training the filter it will let good in and mark spam with just a few mistakes. I use two, Pair's and Mail's, but that does not stop me having to go through scores of spam every day to find the occasional genuine message. I am now transferring all mail from people not in my address book and not in my previous recipients list to a new box and if that contains only a few genuine message after a week will then delete all such mail on arrival. AB___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
Re: Junk mail
On Aug 10, 2012, at 7:38 AM, Andrew Brown wrote: I get a deal of spam, and have to check it all to make sure that there are no legitimate messages in there. I decided to get clever and set up an auto reply for all messages received from those not among my previous recipients, offering real people the chance to contact me by other means. So now, in place of the spam, I get a host of failure messages when my automatic reply hits invalid addresses. Is there any way of replying automatically to incoming message using an address other that that to which the message was sent? There was an auto-reply script for Mail, but it died when X came in. There are a number of commercial services, like Boxbe, that do this. Challenge/response systems are considered harmful: http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html For one thing, much spam is sent from forged addresses, so your system ends up simply adding to the spam load of people who have already been victimized. -- Macs R We -- Personal Macintosh Service and Support in the Wickenburg and far Northwest Valley Areas. http://macsrwe.com ___ MacOSX-talk mailing list MacOSX-talk@omnigroup.com http://www.omnigroup.com/mailman/listinfo/macosx-talk
