Re: just got my mac today

[chantel cuddemi]

You will need to configure growl si it can read skype's chats  
automatically.
On Apr 10, 2009, at 12:11 AM, Mark Baxter wrote:

>
> I had to press the "add new event," button, before I got it to work,
> but now Adium is speaking nicely, as is Ichat.  Now all I need is
> something to read the Skype IM pane...
>
>
> Mark BurningHawk
>
> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
> My home page:
> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: just got my mac today

[Mark Baxter]

I had to press the "add new event," button, before I got it to work,  
but now Adium is speaking nicely, as is Ichat.  Now all I need is  
something to read the Skype IM pane...


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Re: just got my mac today

[Mark Baxter]

I think I might have, but the problem is no one's sent me a message  
yet. :)


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RE: Changing voice of login window

[Simon Fogarty]

I was quite surprised but happy with the voice for the ipod 16gig 4th gen
nano.
 and so far I have found most if not all features to be accessible.
 
 

  _  

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Pierre Heim
Sent: Friday, 10 April 2009 6:55 a.m.
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window


Ok, so I'm waiting for Snow Leopard where we may find the voices of the new
iPod Shuffle. The German voice sounds great. 
 
Pierre
 

- Original Message - 
From: Anne   Robertson 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window

Hello Søren and Pierre,

Yes, you're right. No one has a choice of voice at login. I tried all
possibilities this morning on a computer which I set up from scratch in
French and the voice was still Alex.

This would change if Apple provided a basic voice in every language into
which VoiceOver is localised.

Cheers,

Anne


On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:


This is weird. It doesn't work for me either. I think this is because the
changes in VO and the changes in the System Preferences are  only made for
each user on the computer. When you are on the login screen, you aren't
logged in to any users yet. I don't have any clue about how to change the
voice on the login screen. 

Best regards 
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 08/04/2009, at 20.24, Pierre Heim wrote:



Good evening folks,
 
I understood the last post of Anne this way that the system voice you set in
speech preverences is also active for the login window. In order to check if
the problem is the Infovox voice I set Bruce to test this. So I restarted VO
and logout/login and restarted but always the same result: Alex is still
present and after login hte voices from the VO utility settings became
active. Is this the correct behaviour or is something wrong here?
 
Pierre
 

- Original Message -
From: Pierre Heim  
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window

Hi,
 
the system voice is set to Klaus (my iPod syncs the menus with it) and the
Leopard installation is with German localization. I think I will write a
mail to Assistiveware the next days... Thanks so far.
 
Greetings,
Pierre
 

- Original Message -
From: Esther  
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window

Hi Scott and Pierre, 

I remember that with the Leopard upgrade the default voice (until you
actually finished the upgrade) was Fred. I've only used the different voice
options earlier with VisioVoice (in French) and Tiger, and I don't run my
Leopard account with a different language localization.  Tiger's support was
more restrictive.  I thought that you could boot up your system in Leopard
starting with another voice, but I haven't tried this myself.  I guess my
question to Pierre would first be whether the computer was set up with a
default localization in German (for the system, not just his account)?


Anne would probably know whether a startup from scratch works with a voice
other than Alex based on her experience with the French VoiceOver mailing
list that she moderates.  Other than that, David Niemeijer at Assistiveware
could probably tell you whether this is possible for a German login voice.
You could send a query to: 


supp...@assistiveware.com


or else send a post to the Assistiveware forums.  David reads this list, but
a direct email will be faster.


HTH


On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:


I'm not sure you can change it. that is a problem unless Apple makes
different languages a part of the VO package. Of course I could be wrong as
well.

On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:



Hi Esther,
 
I know this already (all voices are set to "Klaus" from the iVox package)
but the problem is that these settings become only active after user login.
I can activate VO for the login window but I cannot find an option to change
the voice used for this window. After login everything works fine.
 
Pierre
 

- Original Message -
From: Esther  
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window


Hello Pierre, 


Pierre Heim wrote:

 
is it possible to change the voice for the login window? Alex sounds fine
but not for German localization *g*
 

To change the voice (for example, to Klaus or Sarah from the Infovox iVox
German voices), bring up the VoiceOver utility with VO-F8, press 's' to
select "Speech" in the table of utility categories, then tab to the pane for
setting voices. You'll hear "Voices, selected tab 1 of 2". You can select
and choose settings for the Voic

Re: Firefox

[arthur gindin]

my apologies for this misprint.  please just ignore it.  thanks

Dan Eickmeier wrote:
> Arthur, how have you been using Firefox under Tiger successfully?  As  
> far as I know, even with that  firevox add-on that you can install,  
> that's not the greatest accessibility compared to Safari.
> On Mar 26, 2009, at 8:26 PM, arthur gindin wrote:
>
>
> Wendy
>
> I've been using firefox on OS10.4 for years.  join us.  all reviewers
> rate it better than safari
>
> eeb
>
>
>
>
> >
>
>   

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   Hey All, happy THU / FRI!  I've made a few slight revisions to the  
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for your reading pleasure.   Please do take just a minute or  
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   My apologies for being a bit incommunicado for the last few days,  
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   Thanks for reading the below and as usual, if you have any  
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   Have a great day / night, wherever you may be!…

Smiles,

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What is Off-topic for MacVisionaries?

• Non-Mac-related postings

• For Sale postings.  We're working on a site area(s) for this, so for  
the moment, please do keep this sort of thing off the list and email  
me privately if you have items for sale.

• One line responses such as 'thank you' 'I agree' or 'Me too.'

• Notes asking for people to follow you on Twitter or be your friend  
on FaceBook or other social Networking sites.  Including your  
Twitter / Facebook etc info in your signatures is fine and even  
encouraged.

• Notes asking people to contact you on Skype or asking if you can  
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• Notes with no answers in them.  I.E.  If you're really not sure how  
you can help someone with a question they've asked, then simply don't  
post.  Let someone who does know, or has a good idea help that  
person.  there's no harm in letting a question rest for a while if  
there's no immediate answer.

• Posts asking about list policy, posts asking if your post got  
through, or test messages.  Do not post these sorts of things to the  
list.  Write me off-list instead.

What is On-Topic for MacVisionaries?

• Anything Mac-related!  :)

• Any questions from new / experienced users regarding anything at all  
on their Macs or Apple products.

• Any actual answers to such above questions.  If you have a guess,  
try it yourself first.  If it works, then by all means, post it as an  
answer to the list!  :)

• Any warnings, or things to avoid doing which cause VO to not speak  
or crash.  (or cause problems with a user's access tech)  Preferably,  
it would also be nice to post a work-around for a problem if you know  
it.

• Any news articles, Web Sites, or blog entries which are Mac / Apple  
related, or that have some 'real' involvement with such.  I.E.  is  
there a real honest connection between the two?  Is the item you're  
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• Your own Mac / VO / Apple experiences!  Feel free to post anything  
that you've experienced or are experiencing (good or bad) having to do  
with your Mac use, (with or without VO) your use of Apple products, or  
your experiences with Apple or at an Apple store.

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Re_preview

[Mike]

Hi Esther:

Not sure if you got my reply or no but incase not,
Didn't think of the PDF display menu, followed your tips and it
worked, thanks.
Now to another question for the list.
Is there a way of funneling playing audio through a USB snd card while
having VO use the internal snd card?
I'm quite frequently asked to provide music for small gatherings and
I'm thinking how nice it would be to use a usb card for the music
while having VO use the internal with my headset connected.
Of course I'm always asked for requests and I don't think they would
like to hear VO speaking my searches while the music is playing. LOL

THanks again list:

Mike

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Re: Requesting help with Tables

[Brett Campbell]

I do have this box checked.  Thanks for the response.

Brett


On Apr 9, 2009, at 5:22 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:

>
> Brett,
>
> I've never used Tables, but you might go into VO
> utility/verbosity/announcements and see if "speak header when  
> navigating
> across a table row" is turned on.
>
> Don't know if that will work or not but it might.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brett Campbell" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
> Subject: Requesting help with Tables
>
>
>>
>> I'm on a quest to find the best spread sheet program.  At the moment
>> Tables appears to be the most Voiceover friendly.  Does anyone know  
>> if
>> there's a way to have VoiceOver announce header titles as you  
>> navigate
>> through the cells?  Has anyone produced a tutorial for working with
>> Tables, or any other spread sheet with Voiceover.  i'd appreciate any
>> tips and tricks.
>>
>> Brett
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Alex Jurgensen]

Hi,

Reset it as I explained in another post and then it will show up. Then  
do a restore.

Thanks,
Aex,


On 9-Apr-09, at 9:45 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Good morning ester,
> Thank you for your advice thus far. I've currently got the Nano 4G.  
> As for the settings, I really don't understand it. I've tried VO  
> arrowing to the right of the vertical splitter and cannot see any  
> area to interact with for settings, so I can't even access the  
> restore button. I'll attempt to use the steps you mentioned for  
> performing a reset to see if that works. Thus far, I've tried  
> rebooting the device with no results. I really don't want to take  
> this to the genius bar if I don't have to.
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> Webpage:
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Esther
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:25 AM
> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Reformatting is done in iTunes.  I've never had my iPod settings  
> window completely disappear, but I'd guess this is like setting up  
> the new Nano 4G from scratch -- the area is reached by doing a VO- 
> Right arrow from the sources table past the splitter to an area that  
> originally shows up as "unknown", and you have to interact with it  
> in order to see things.  When the settings menu doesn't disappear  
> there is a button to restore or reformat the iPod that you press (VO- 
> Space).  What model iPod do you have?  The other thing that I've  
> done (with my Nano 4G) was look at it when connected in Finder.  The  
> files are normally hidden, but I had changed this with one of my  
> maintenance facility tools.  (I wanted to see where the spoken menu  
> snippets were stored, and found I could QuickLook them).  You could  
> also try resetting your iPod before reconnecting.  Exactly how you  
> do this will depend on your iPod model, but it usually involves  
> toggling the hold switch on and off (on the Nano this means you push  
> it to the right, away from the left edge of the iPod to the locked  
> position, and then back to the left to the unlocked position), and  
> then pressing the menu (12-o'clock position on the wheel) and select  
> (center of the wheel) buttons simultaneously.  This is hard to do  
> with your fingers on something as small as the Nano;  I had to put  
> it on a flat surface and use either a small screwdriver or a pen or  
> pencil to press down on each pointand hold it down for several  
> seconds to reset.  There's nothing audible about this.  (I had to do  
> this on the older 1G model Nano; I've never had to reset my 4G Nano.)
>
> Once again, the reformatting is handled in iTunes, not in Disk  
> Utility.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
>> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
>> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that  
>> when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you  
>> just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >


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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Alex Jurgensen]

Hi,

Here is the official Apple way on at least the Nano 3rd and 4th  
Generation.

1. Hold down the centre button and the "Menu" button which is on the  
top for twenty-five seconds and wait 30 Seconds. This will not loose  
any songs.

Thanks,
Alex,


On 9-Apr-09, at 12:32 PM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:

> In the nano fourth gen. you press down on the top and the bottom of  
> the wheel simultaniously for six seconds then wait about ten seconds  
> counting slowly and press the middle of the wheel. There is no audio  
> feedback for this. My husband did it last night when my Ipod crashed  
> and it turned back on just fine but my songs were lost and I had to  
> resync.
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Reformatting is done in iTunes.  I've never had my iPod settings  
>> window completely disappear, but I'd guess this is like setting up  
>> the new Nano 4G from scratch -- the area is reached by doing a VO- 
>> Right arrow from the sources table past the splitter to an area  
>> that originally shows up as "unknown", and you have to interact  
>> with it in order to see things.  When the settings menu doesn't  
>> disappear there is a button to restore or reformat the iPod that  
>> you press (VO-Space).  What model iPod do you have?  The other  
>> thing that I've done (with my Nano 4G) was look at it when  
>> connected in Finder.  The files are normally hidden, but I had  
>> changed this with one of my maintenance facility tools.  (I wanted  
>> to see where the spoken menu snippets were stored, and found I  
>> could QuickLook them).  You could also try resetting your iPod  
>> before reconnecting.  Exactly how you do this will depend on your  
>> iPod model, but it usually involves toggling the hold switch on and  
>> off (on the Nano this means you push it to the right, away from the  
>> left edge of the iPod to the locked position, and then back to the  
>> left to the unlocked position), and then pressing the menu (12- 
>> o'clock position on the wheel) and select (center of the wheel)  
>> buttons simultaneously.  This is hard to do with your fingers on  
>> something as small as the Nano;  I had to put it on a flat surface  
>> and use either a small screwdriver or a pen or pencil to press down  
>> on each point and hold it down for several seconds to reset.   
>> There's nothing audible about this.  (I had to do this on the older  
>> 1G model Nano; I've never had to reset my 4G Nano.)
>>
>> Once again, the reformatting is handled in iTunes, not in Disk  
>> Utility.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>
>>> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
>>> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
>>> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing  
>>> that when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did  
>>> you just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >


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Tangerine Theatre in serious developmental Trouble

[Alex Jurgensen]

Hi,
Good People of Mac Visionaries,

I am trying to put the finishing touches in bridging Tangerine Theatre  
with some popular applications and I am facing difficulties because I  
don't know C or C++, both of which are apperently needed.

I ask you to see if someone will come forward and help with my open- 
source project. Anyone interested?

Thanks,
Alex,



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Re: Requesting help with Tables

[Barry Hadder]

Brett,

I've never used Tables, but you might go into VO 
utility/verbosity/announcements and see if "speak header when navigating 
across a table row" is turned on.

Don't know if that will work or not but it might.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brett Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
Subject: Requesting help with Tables


>
>  I'm on a quest to find the best spread sheet program.  At the moment
> Tables appears to be the most Voiceover friendly.  Does anyone know if
> there's a way to have VoiceOver announce header titles as you navigate
> through the cells?  Has anyone produced a tutorial for working with
> Tables, or any other spread sheet with Voiceover.  i'd appreciate any
> tips and tricks.
>
> Brett
>
> >
> 


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Re: Firefox

[Dan Eickmeier]

Arthur, how have you been using Firefox under Tiger successfully?  As  
far as I know, even with that  firevox add-on that you can install,  
that's not the greatest accessibility compared to Safari.
On Mar 26, 2009, at 8:26 PM, arthur gindin wrote:


Wendy

I've been using firefox on OS10.4 for years.  join us.  all reviewers
rate it better than safari

eeb




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Fwd: Accessible World Presents Accessible Macintosh, April 13th

[Michael Babcock]

Begin forwarded message:From: News Wire Date: April 9, 2009 2:14:55 PM GMT-08:00To: mbabcoc...@wou.eduSubject: Accessible World Presents Accessible Macintosh, April 13th Accessible World Presents Accessible Macintosh, April 13thNews WireAn Overview of an Accessible Leopard by Jim DenhamThe latest version of the Macintosh operating system, OS X 10.5, includes some incredible accessibility features. For users who are blind, the built-in VoiceOver screen review software offers a whole new way to use the Mac.This powerful tool offers features such as refreshable Braille support, an extensive help system and reliable access to many popular Macintosh applications. For the past several years, all Macintosh computers have shipped with an Intel based processor. This hardware platform allows the machine to run non-Apple operating systems, including Microsoft Windows.Apple even provides a utility, called Bootcamp, that allows the user to easily switch between operating systems.  This dual operating system environment is a great solution for individuals who want to use both Mac and Windows on the same machine.The Tek Talk session to be held on 13 April will introduce users to the powerful screen review software included with all versions of Macintosh Leopard. The powerful Navigation and help features of VoiceOver and the Mac will be demonstrated.The session will also include information for sighted trainers who need to provide instruction to persons who are blind on the Mac. Finally, the ability to easily and efficiently switch between the Mac and Windows operating systems will be shown.Date:  Monday, April 13th, 2009.Time: 5:00 p.m. PDT, 6:00 p.m. MDT, 7:00 p.m. CDT, and 8:00 p.m. EDT    and elsewhere in the world Tuesday 0:00 GMT Approximately 15 minutes prior to the event start time; go to The Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room at: http://conference321.com/masteradmin/room.asp?id=rsc9613dc89eb2 Or, alternatively. Select The Pat Price Tek Talk Training Room at: http://www.accessibleworld.org . Enter your first and last names on the sign-in screen.All Tek Talk training events are recorded so if you are unable to participate live at the above times then you may download the presentation or podcast from the Tek Talk archives on our website at http://www.accessibleworld.orgAll online interactive programs require no password, are free of charge, and open to anyone worldwide having an Internet connection, a computer, speakers, and a sound card. Those with microphones can interact audibly with the presenters and others in the virtual audience or text chat with the attendees.If you are a first-time user of the Talking Communities online conferencing software, there is a small, safe software program  that you need to download and then run. A link to the software is available on every entry screen to the Accessible World online rooms.Sign up information for all Accessible World News Wires and discussion lists are also available at our website http://www.accessibleworld.org . Accessible World Contacts:Robert Acosta, Chair Accessible World 818-998-0044 Email: boaco...@pacbell.net Web: http://www.helpinghands4theblind.orgJoann Becker, Events Coordinator Accessible World 617-969-1213 Email: joannbec...@pcomcast.netGeorge Buys, CEO Talking Communities Email: b...@talkingcommunities.comThe Accessible World, a division of Helping Hands  For The Blind, a 501(c)(3) not-for-profit organization, seeks to educate the general public, the disabled community and the professionals who serve them by providing highly relevant information about new products, services, and training opportunities designed specifically to eliminate geographic and access barriers that adversely affect them.  -- If you no longer wish to receive any more announcements from the Accessible World announce list service, you may unsubscribe, edit your preferences or forward this email by using one of the links below.  Unsubscribe: this link  Update your preferences or unsubscribe: this link Forward a Message to Someone: this link  Michael BabcockGW Hosting, Your Dedicated Home On The WebPhone: +1-888-272-3555, ext 54121email: michael.babc...@gwhosting.netadministrative e-mail: ad...@gwhosting.neturl: http://gwhosting.net 

Re: just got my mac today

[Brent Harding]

It seems to work fine.

- Original Message - 
From: "Brett Campbell" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: just got my mac today


>
> Has anyone been able to get this to work?  That is, Get Adium to
> automatically read out incoming messages?  I've messed around with the
> events in preferences with no luck so far.
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>>
>> It's under the preferences under events. I think you have to
>> interact with
>> the table to choose an event and hit add to add the speech to it.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mark Baxter" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: just got my mac today
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To read messages you receive, you have to navigate to the HTML
>>> content, and interact with it, then use VO navigation (VO right
>>> arrow)
>>> to navigate through the chat history.  In Ichat, there is an option
>>> to
>>> speak incoming messages using the system voice, and I thought there
>>> was such a beast in Adium, but i haven't found it yet...
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark BurningHawk
>>>
>>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> My home page:
>>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>>
>>>

>>>
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Re: just got my mac today

[chantel cuddemi]

Yeah, I got it work. All you do is interact with the events table, and  
go to the add button. After you need to check each box that says speak  
event. Hth,
Chantel.
On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:08 AM, Brett Campbell wrote:

>
> Has anyone been able to get this to work?  That is, Get Adium to
> automatically read out incoming messages?  I've messed around with the
> events in preferences with no luck so far.
>
> Brett
>
>
>
> On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>>
>> It's under the preferences under events. I think you have to
>> interact with
>> the table to choose an event and hit add to add the speech to it.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mark Baxter" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:23 PM
>> Subject: Re: just got my mac today
>>
>>
>>>
>>> To read messages you receive, you have to navigate to the HTML
>>> content, and interact with it, then use VO navigation (VO right
>>> arrow)
>>> to navigate through the chat history.  In Ichat, there is an option
>>> to
>>> speak incoming messages using the system voice, and I thought there
>>> was such a beast in Adium, but i haven't found it yet...
>>>
>>>
>>> Mark BurningHawk
>>>
>>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> My home page:
>>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>>
>>>

>>>
>>
>>
>>>
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need ocr for epson vx30/300 scaner

[christos hux]

thanks to mark and now alex for replying to me. I did try using vuscan  
on my 1.8ghz mini which has 1 gig of ram in it. Vuscan just kept  
saying busy when it was running or crashed on me a lot. I tried a few  
other programs that i discovered from my search for ocr on  
macupdate.com. I have ordered readiris version 11.0 through amazon of  
all places so I will be trying that app sometime next week.

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Re: just got my mac today

[Brett Campbell]

Has anyone been able to get this to work?  That is, Get Adium to  
automatically read out incoming messages?  I've messed around with the  
events in preferences with no luck so far.

Brett



On Apr 8, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Brent Harding wrote:

>
> It's under the preferences under events. I think you have to  
> interact with
> the table to choose an event and hit add to add the speech to it.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark Baxter" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 6:23 PM
> Subject: Re: just got my mac today
>
>
>>
>> To read messages you receive, you have to navigate to the HTML
>> content, and interact with it, then use VO navigation (VO right  
>> arrow)
>> to navigate through the chat history.  In Ichat, there is an option  
>> to
>> speak incoming messages using the system voice, and I thought there
>> was such a beast in Adium, but i haven't found it yet...
>>
>>
>> Mark BurningHawk
>>
>> Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> My home page:
>> http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
>>
>>
>>>
>>
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Firefox

[arthur gindin]

Wendy

I've been using firefox on OS10.4 for years.  join us.  all reviewers 
rate it better than safari

eeb

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Re: firefox

[arthur gindin]

please ignore my previous email.  wrong group.  sorry

eeb

Wendy Mitchell wrote:
> ok, well, guess what, I've got my mail set up on here now so this is  
> my first ever message written on my mac.  Next job how do I change  
> this so that it doesn't read everycharacter I write.  I have it set to  
> none on my windows computer.  Just about to send my my first mail  
> message now.
> On 26 Mar 2009, at 16:07, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>
>   
>> No, firefox is unfortunately not accessible at is current time .
>> Hopefully, developers are working to make it accessible.  A friend of
>> mine that attended the CSUN conference this year, and who is on this
>> list as well, I believe spoke with somebody involved with the
>> development of firefox,and  they said that they are definitely looking
>> at its accessibility on the mac side.
>> On Mar 26, 2009, at 10:31 AM, Wendy wrote:
>>
>>
>> hi, just a quickie, I've been using firefox on my windows computer,  
>> will
>> this work on the mac please?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> From Wendy.
>> Member of
>> www.tafn.org.uk
>>
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Requesting help with Tables

[Brett Campbell]

  I'm on a quest to find the best spread sheet program.  At the moment  
Tables appears to be the most Voiceover friendly.  Does anyone know if  
there's a way to have VoiceOver announce header titles as you navigate  
through the cells?  Has anyone produced a tutorial for working with  
Tables, or any other spread sheet with Voiceover.  i'd appreciate any  
tips and tricks.

Brett

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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

Unfortunately, a reset did not do the job. I would try to reboot the device and 
then go in to the restore setting on the iPod with no luck. When I plugged in 
the device, I still got the same thing. I could see the device with iTunes, 
however, I couldn't readily access the settings area.


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
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Email:
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WebPage:
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Esther 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:25 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hi Guys,


  Did you only need a reset?  See my post; I ended up having to restore while I 
was testing.


  Cheers,


  Esther


  On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


Yes definitely resolved successfully. Thanks Ryan.


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
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Email:
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WebPage:
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  - Original Message -
  From: Ryan Dour
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Resolved.


  Ryan


  On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Dave Wright wrote:


Sure, my skype is: dynasty86

Thanks


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
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Email:
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WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message -
  From: Ryan Dour
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello,


  Skype?


  Ryan


  On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Dave Wright wrote:


Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing 
I'm confused about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/pause+select 
buttons?
As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx. 
I really don't want to have to take this issue to them though.


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message -
  From: Ryan Dour
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening.


  Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing 
the following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a challenge.


  1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the 
wheel) down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again if the iPod 
does nothing. You should hear a pop in your headphones, or the music your 
playing should suddenly cut off. While I'm writing this, that may be the best 
way to do it, play something so you know when you have a successful reboot.
  2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and 
play/pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will show up. In 
your case, the best way to know if you've got it right is to wait and see after 
about two minutes if running your finger around the click wheel makes clicks. 
If it does, you need to start over again, it booted and missed the opportunity 
to get into restore mode.
  3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.


  Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the 
settings pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility where a restore 
can be performed after formatting the internal disk.


  You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near 
where you live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail and run 
through the store listings. There is a quick pop-up where you choose your state 
and then choose a store. I don't know where you live, but I'm assuming the 
United States. If not, there is a full store listing that includes world wide 
locations as well.


  Ryan




  On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot 
see the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up in disc 
utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that when you performed 
a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you 
zero out the drive?


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Esther]

Hi Guys,

Did you only need a reset?  See my post; I ended up having to restore  
while I was testing.

Cheers,

Esther

On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Yes definitely resolved successfully. Thanks Ryan.
>
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> WebPage:
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan Dour
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM
> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>
> Resolved.
>
> Ryan
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>> Sure, my skype is: dynasty86
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> Dave Wright
>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>> Email:
>> dwri...@gmail.com
>> WebPage:
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ryan Dour
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM
>> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Skype?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing  
>>> I'm confused about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/ 
>>> pause+select buttons?
>>> As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx.  
>>> I really don't want to have to take this issue to them though.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards:
>>> Dave Wright
>>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>>> Email:
>>> dwri...@gmail.com
>>> Webpage:
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Ryan Dour
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
>>> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>>>
>>> Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening.
>>>
>>> Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing  
>>> the following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a  
>>> challenge.
>>>
>>> 1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the  
>>> wheel) down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again  
>>> if the iPod does nothing. You should hear a pop in your  
>>> headphones, or the music your playing should suddenly cut off.  
>>> While I'm writing this, that may be the best way to do it, play  
>>> something so you know when you have a successful reboot.
>>> 2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and  
>>> play/pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will  
>>> show up. In your case, the best way to know if you've got it right  
>>> is to wait and see after about two minutes if running your finger  
>>> around the click wheel makes clicks. If it does, you need to start  
>>> over again, it booted and missed the opportunity to get into  
>>> restore mode.
>>> 3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.
>>>
>>> Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the  
>>> settings pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility  
>>> where a restore can be performed after formatting the internal disk.
>>>
>>> You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near  
>>> where you live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail 
>>>  and run through the store listings. There is a quick pop-up where  
>>> you choose your state and then choose a store. I don't know where  
>>> you live, but I'm assuming the United States. If not, there is a  
>>> full store listing that includes world wide locations as well.
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>>
 I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot  
 see the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to  
 show up in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm  
 guessing that when you performed a reformat, everything worked  
 out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the  
 drive?


 Best Regards:
 Dave Wright
 Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
 Email:
 dwri...@gmail.com
 Webpage:
 http://www.knfbreader.com
 - Original Message -
 From: Ryan Dour
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
 Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted

 Hello,

 Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod  
 which will force it into recovery mode and really force a  
 restore. I've done that one once, but it was a last resort  
 thought right before running out to get a new one. Also, Genius  
 bar could probably help if you bring the computer and the iPod.  
 Got a Genius bar newar you?

 Ryan



 On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Good morning all,
> So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my  
> iPod with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought  
> was a great one since I'd just purchased some new music that I  
> wanted t

Accessibility issue for Restore [was Re: iPod has gone corrupted]

[Esther]

Hi Dave and Ryan,

I think we may have come across an accessibility issue.  Basically,  
when you force the iPod into the restore condition the pane where the  
iPods Setting scroll area appears becomes inaccessible to VoiceOver.   
That's why Dave couldn't VO-Right arrow or tab there.  I just managed  
to inadvertently get my iPod Nano 4G into this mode when I tried to  
find out whether I could reset the Nano 4G just pressing with my  
fingers (turns out that I can, but I did this while the Nano was  
connected to the USB port, and it had the unexpected result of forcing  
my iPod into recovery mode, even though it was trouble-free!).  Due to  
the VoiceOver feature of copying last phrase to the clipboard (VO- 
Shift-C) I have a record of what happened.  More importantly, I  
couldn't get to the "Restore" button except by turning Mouse Keys On  
and moving down from the Cover Flow View Switcher Radio Button until  
the Restore button was under my mouse when I checked with VO-F5.  On  
my MacBook that took 340 down presses, I think.

So when I reset my Nano while it was connected I got a got a dialog  
window:

iTunes needs to download the recovery software for your iPod. Please  
leave your iPod connected.  Your iPod will restart automatically after  
the recovery software has been downloaded.

Then:

iTunes has detected an iPod in recovery mode. You must restore this  
iPod before it can be used with iTunes.

A newer version of the iPod software has been downloaded (version  
1.0.3). Would you like to restore with the newest version?
You may also choose to restore with the same version as your iPod has  
now (version 1.0.2).

(This last was very strange, since I had version 1.0.3 on my iPod --  
that was the version that finally allowed us to turn off Cover Flow.)

Button options were Cancel, Use Same Version,  or Use Newest Version.   
I chose to Use Newest Version.

At this point I got the dialog:

Are you sure you want to restore the iPod “iPod” to its factory  
settings? All of your media and other data will be erased.

So, I said OK here, since all of my files and playlists are backed up.

At this point I get a new dialog window where I have to authorize this  
with my password:

iTunes requires that you type your password. Authentication Secure  
Edit Text

I type in my password, and I get the message:

Your iPod has been restored to factory settings, and is restarting.  
Please leave your iPod connected. It will appear in the iTunes window  
after it restarts.  This message will be dismissed in 10 seconds.

At this point I hit Dave's problem: There's no settings window to  
navigate to with VoiceOver.  Tabbing, VO-Right arrow, VO-Down arrow,  
doesn't get me anywhere.  It turns out that there is a window with a  
Restore button, but there's no way to navigate there.  But, it turns  
out that someone with sighted access to the page can tell you that the  
restore button is almost directly below the  Cover Flow View Switcher  
Radio Button. So I go to that button with VoiceOver, move my mouse  
cursor to that button (VO-Command-F5), read it's position with VO-F5,  
turn on MouseKeys in the Universal Access Window so I can move the  
mouse with key presses (without using VoiceOver), turn off cursor  
tracking with VO-Shift-F3 and arrow down by tapping the "K" key on my  
MacBook. It takes about 340 down presses while I periodically check  
with VO-F5 until I hear that the Restore button is under my mouse.  I  
press it (with the trackpad of my MacBook), turn cursor tracking back  
on (VO-Shift-F3) and turn MouseKeys off.  VO-F5 pressed once tells me  
what is under the mouse, pressed twice tells me the x and y screen  
pixel location of my cursor, and pressed three times (which I don't  
use), tells me the x and y pixel location of my cursor relative to the  
window origin.  So when I reach the "Restore" button I'll hear that it  
is under the Mouse with VO-F5.

I get the "Set Up Your iPod" window, and proceed as though this were a  
new setup.

The iPod is not identified (even though it's still connected) in the  
sources table until I manage to press the "Restore" button.  I think  
it's rare that you'll need to get to restore where the device isn't  
recognized in iTunes, but we've just seen this can happen.

In Dave's case, maybe the reset will work.  If the device is seen in  
iTunes (or if he can open if by using VO-backslash in the sources  
table and navigate the contents), it should be OK.

HTH.  I now also find that the sync status window (VO-Up Arrow twice  
from the iPod Settings window after you
stop interacting) has a "stop" button so I don't need to let this try  
to sync everything in my library.  I can just stop it and point it to  
my own transfer playlist.

Cheers,

Esther
On Apr 9, 2009, at 8:23 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Sure, my skype is: dynasty86
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> WebPage:
> http://www.kn

Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

Yes definitely resolved successfully. Thanks Ryan. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:51 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Resolved.


  Ryan


  On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Dave Wright wrote:


Sure, my skype is: dynasty86

Thanks


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello, 


  Skype?


  Ryan


  On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Dave Wright wrote:


Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing I'm 
confused about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/pause+select 
buttons? 
As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx. I 
really don't want to have to take this issue to them though. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening. 


  Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing the 
following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a challenge.


  1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the 
wheel) down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again if the iPod 
does nothing. You should hear a pop in your headphones, or the music your 
playing should suddenly cut off. While I'm writing this, that may be the best 
way to do it, play something so you know when you have a successful reboot.
  2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and 
play/pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will show up. In 
your case, the best way to know if you've got it right is to wait and see after 
about two minutes if running your finger around the click wheel makes clicks. 
If it does, you need to start over again, it booted and missed the opportunity 
to get into restore mode.
  3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.


  Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the settings 
pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility where a restore can be 
performed after formatting the internal disk.


  You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near where 
you live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail and run through 
the store listings. There is a quick pop-up where you choose your state and 
then choose a store. I don't know where you live, but I'm assuming the United 
States. If not, there is a full store listing that includes world wide 
locations as well.


  Ryan




  On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see 
the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up in disc 
utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that when you performed 
a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you 
zero out the drive? 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello,


  Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod 
which will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore. I've done 
that one once, but it was a last resort thought right before running out to get 
a new one. Also, Genius bar could probably help if you bring the computer and 
the iPod. Got a Genius bar newar you?


  Ryan






  On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


Good morning all, 
So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my 
iPod with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was a great one 
since I'd just purchased some new music that I wanted to take with me to New 
York. Everything was great until I plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a 
second and then 

Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Ryan Dour]

Resolved.

Ryan

On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:23 PM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Sure, my skype is: dynasty86
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> WebPage:
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan Dour
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM
> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>
> Hello,
>
> Skype?
>
> Ryan
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>> Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing  
>> I'm confused about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/ 
>> pause+select buttons?
>> As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx.  
>> I really don't want to have to take this issue to them though.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> Dave Wright
>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>> Email:
>> dwri...@gmail.com
>> Webpage:
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ryan Dour
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
>> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>>
>> Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening.
>>
>> Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing  
>> the following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a  
>> challenge.
>>
>> 1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the  
>> wheel) down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again  
>> if the iPod does nothing. You should hear a pop in your headphones,  
>> or the music your playing should suddenly cut off. While I'm  
>> writing this, that may be the best way to do it, play something so  
>> you know when you have a successful reboot.
>> 2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and  
>> play/pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will  
>> show up. In your case, the best way to know if you've got it right  
>> is to wait and see after about two minutes if running your finger  
>> around the click wheel makes clicks. If it does, you need to start  
>> over again, it booted and missed the opportunity to get into  
>> restore mode.
>> 3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.
>>
>> Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the  
>> settings pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility  
>> where a restore can be performed after formatting the internal disk.
>>
>> You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near  
>> where you live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/ 
>> retail and run through the store listings. There is a quick pop-up  
>> where you choose your state and then choose a store. I don't know  
>> where you live, but I'm assuming the United States. If not, there  
>> is a full store listing that includes world wide locations as well.
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>
>>> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
>>> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
>>> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing  
>>> that when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did  
>>> you just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards:
>>> Dave Wright
>>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>>> Email:
>>> dwri...@gmail.com
>>> Webpage:
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Ryan Dour
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod  
>>> which will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore.  
>>> I've done that one once, but it was a last resort thought right  
>>> before running out to get a new one. Also, Genius bar could  
>>> probably help if you bring the computer and the iPod. Got a Genius  
>>> bar newar you?
>>>
>>> Ryan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>>
 Good morning all,
 So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my  
 iPod with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought  
 was a great one since I'd just purchased some new music that I  
 wanted to take with me to New York. Everything was great until I  
 plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a second and then I got  
 a message that told me that my iPod was corrupted and that I  
 could either try reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I  
 of course tried ejecting the device and reconnecting with no  
 result. My next choice was to restore the device, however, I  
 can't seem to see the area for the iPod settings in order to  
 perform the restore. Any ideas would really be appreciated. I  
 really don't want to purchase another iPod just quite yet.


 Best Regards:
 Dave Wright
 Work P

Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Esther]

Hi Peggy,

It's actually the top and center of the wheel that you need to press  
simultaneously.  This is somewhat unintuitive, so I had to check the  
manual again:

To reset iPod nano:
1 Toggle the Hold switch on and off (slide it to HOLD and then back  
again).
2 Press and hold the Menu and Center buttons for at least 6 seconds,  
until the
Apple logo appears.

The menu button is at the top of the wheel.  I'm glad you got things  
working.  Did the instructions I sent off list of using VO-Up arrow  
twice to get to the sync field information work for you?

Cheers,

Esther

On Apr 9, 2009, at 9:32 AM, Peggy Fleischer wrote:

> In the nano fourth gen. you press down on the top and the bottom of  
> the wheel simultaniously for six seconds then wait about ten seconds  
> counting slowly and press the middle of the wheel. There is no audio  
> feedback for this. My husband did it last night when my Ipod crashed  
> and it turned back on just fine but my songs were lost and I had to  
> resync.
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Reformatting is done in iTunes.  I've never had my iPod settings  
>> window completely disappear, but I'd guess this is like setting up  
>> the new Nano 4G from scratch -- the area is reached by doing a VO- 
>> Right arrow from the sources table past the splitter to an area  
>> that originally shows up as "unknown", and you have to interact  
>> with it in order to see things.  When the settings menu doesn't  
>> disappear there is a button to restore or reformat the iPod that  
>> you press (VO-Space).  What model iPod do you have?  The other  
>> thing that I've done (with my Nano 4G) was look at it when  
>> connected in Finder.  The files are normally hidden, but I had  
>> changed this with one of my maintenance facility tools.  (I wanted  
>> to see where the spoken menu snippets were stored, and found I  
>> could QuickLook them).  You could also try resetting your iPod  
>> before reconnecting.  Exactly how you do this will depend on your  
>> iPod model, but it usually involves toggling the hold switch on and  
>> off (on the Nano this means you push it to the right, away from the  
>> left edge of the iPod to the locked position, and then back to the  
>> left to the unlocked position), and then pressing the menu (12- 
>> o'clock position on the wheel) and select (center of the wheel)  
>> buttons simultaneously.  This is hard to do with your fingers on  
>> something as small as the Nano;  I had to put it on a flat surface  
>> and use either a small screwdriver or a pen or pencil to press down  
>> on each point and hold it down for several seconds to reset.   
>> There's nothing audible about this.  (I had to do this on the older  
>> 1G model Nano; I've never had to reset my 4G Nano.)
>>
>> Once again, the reformatting is handled in iTunes, not in Disk  
>> Utility.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>
>>> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
>>> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
>>> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing  
>>> that when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did  
>>> you just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> >


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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Peggy Fleischer]

In the nano fourth gen. you press down on the top and the bottom of  
the wheel simultaniously for six seconds then wait about ten seconds  
counting slowly and press the middle of the wheel. There is no audio  
feedback for this. My husband did it last night when my Ipod crashed  
and it turned back on just fine but my songs were lost and I had to  
resync.
On Apr 9, 2009, at 12:25 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> Reformatting is done in iTunes.  I've never had my iPod settings  
> window completely disappear, but I'd guess this is like setting up  
> the new Nano 4G from scratch -- the area is reached by doing a VO- 
> Right arrow from the sources table past the splitter to an area that  
> originally shows up as "unknown", and you have to interact with it  
> in order to see things.  When the settings menu doesn't disappear  
> there is a button to restore or reformat the iPod that you press (VO- 
> Space).  What model iPod do you have?  The other thing that I've  
> done (with my Nano 4G) was look at it when connected in Finder.  The  
> files are normally hidden, but I had changed this with one of my  
> maintenance facility tools.  (I wanted to see where the spoken menu  
> snippets were stored, and found I could QuickLook them).  You could  
> also try resetting your iPod before reconnecting.  Exactly how you  
> do this will depend on your iPod model, but it usually involves  
> toggling the hold switch on and off (on the Nano this means you push  
> it to the right, away from the left edge of the iPod to the locked  
> position, and then back to the left to the unlocked position), and  
> then pressing the menu (12-o'clock position on the wheel) and select  
> (center of the wheel) buttons simultaneously.  This is hard to do  
> with your fingers on something as small as the Nano;  I had to put  
> it on a flat surface and use either a small screwdriver or a pen or  
> pencil to press down on each point and hold it down for several  
> seconds to reset.  There's nothing audible about this.  (I had to do  
> this on the older 1G model Nano; I've never had to reset my 4G Nano.)
>
> Once again, the reformatting is handled in iTunes, not in Disk  
> Utility.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
>> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
>> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that  
>> when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you  
>> just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>>
>>
>>
>
> >


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Re: Preview Question...

[Michael Ryan]

Hi Esther:

Didn't think of that.
Just followed your tips and it worked, thanks.

On 9-Apr-09, at 2:01 PM, Esther wrote:

>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I haven't seen this problem before in Preview.  What happens if you
> set the PDF Display mode to single page?  VO-M to the menu bar, press
> "v" to go to the View menu, arrow down and press "p" to go to PDF
> Display, then right arrow to the PDF Display submenu and select
> "Single Page" instead of the default "Single Page Continous"?  This
> basically reverts you to reading one page at a time, and using
> Commmand-right arrow to go to the next page when you reach the end
> (e.g., the same way Preview worked in Tiger).  I'm curious about
> whether this mis-positioning still happens when you force Preview to
> read page by page.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Esther
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Jesper Holten wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Mike.
>> I am not aware of a solution on the mac. but the same problem can
>> occur in
>> windows sometimes. Especially if you convert the pdf file directly
>> to text
>> format from adobe reader.
>> Not to say hereby, that there is no solution on the mac, but just to
>> say
>> that I have seen the same thing on windows machines.
>>
>> Best regards, Jesper.
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Mike" 
>> To: "MacVisionaries" 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:22 PM
>> Subject: Preview Question...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all:
>>>
>>> I'm in the process of reading a 500 plus page book in PDF format.
>>> I'm using preview for this but I'm encountering a slight prob.
>>> When moving from page to page, VO is announcing the bottom half of
>>> the
>>> previously read page before reading the next page I want to hear.
>>> I have set in my preferences to use logical page #s and so on plus
>>> scaling. I have attempted to turn vo tracking off to see if that
>>> helped and it didn't.
>>> Bringing thepage to full screen doesn't help either.
>>>
>>> TNX:
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>

>>>
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: Changing voice of login window

[Pierre Heim]

Ok, so I'm waiting for Snow Leopard where we may find the voices of the new 
iPod Shuffle. The German voice sounds great. 

Pierre

  - Original Message - 
  From: Anne Robertson 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 2:53 PM
  Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window


  Hello Søren and Pierre,


  Yes, you're right. No one has a choice of voice at login. I tried all 
possibilities this morning on a computer which I set up from scratch in French 
and the voice was still Alex.


  This would change if Apple provided a basic voice in every language into 
which VoiceOver is localised.


  Cheers,


  Anne




  On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:


This is weird. It doesn't work for me either. I think this is because the 
changes in VO and the changes in the System Preferences are  only made for each 
user on the computer. When you are on the login screen, you aren't logged in to 
any users yet. I don't have any clue about how to change the voice on the login 
screen.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/


On 08/04/2009, at 20.24, Pierre Heim wrote:


  Good evening folks,

  I understood the last post of Anne this way that the system voice you set 
in speech preverences is also active for the login window. In order to check if 
the problem is the Infovox voice I set Bruce to test this. So I restarted VO 
and logout/login and restarted but always the same result: Alex is still 
present and after login hte voices from the VO utility settings became active. 
Is this the correct behaviour or is something wrong here?

  Pierre

- Original Message -
From: Pierre Heim
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window


Hi,

the system voice is set to Klaus (my iPod syncs the menus with it) and 
the Leopard installation is with German localization. I think I will write a 
mail to Assistiveware the next days... Thanks so far.

Greetings,
Pierre

  - Original Message -
  From: Esther
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM
  Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window


  Hi Scott and Pierre,


  I remember that with the Leopard upgrade the default voice (until you 
actually finished the upgrade) was Fred. I've only used the different voice 
options earlier with VisioVoice (in French) and Tiger, and I don't run my 
Leopard account with a different language localization.  Tiger's support was 
more restrictive.  I thought that you could boot up your system in Leopard 
starting with another voice, but I haven't tried this myself.  I guess my 
question to Pierre would first be whether the computer was set up with a 
default localization in German (for the system, not just his account)?


  Anne would probably know whether a startup from scratch works with a 
voice other than Alex based on her experience with the French VoiceOver mailing 
list that she moderates.  Other than that, David Niemeijer at Assistiveware 
could probably tell you whether this is possible for a German login voice.  You 
could send a query to: 


  supp...@assistiveware.com


  or else send a post to the Assistiveware forums.  David reads this 
list, but a direct email will be faster.


  HTH


  On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:


I'm not sure you can change it. that is a problem unless Apple 
makes different languages a part of the VO package. Of course I could be wrong 
as well.

On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:


  Hi Esther,

  I know this already (all voices are set to "Klaus" from the iVox 
package) but the problem is that these settings become only active after user 
login. I can activate VO for the login window but I cannot find an option to 
change the voice used for this window. After login everything works fine.

  Pierre

- Original Message -
From: Esther
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:13 PM
Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window


Hello Pierre,


Pierre Heim wrote:

  is it possible to change the voice for the login window? Alex 
sounds fine but not for German localization *g*

To change the voice (for example, to Klaus or Sarah from the 
Infovox iVox German voices), bring up the VoiceOver utility with VO-F8, press 
's' to select "Speech" in the table of utility categories, then tab to the pane 
for setting voices. You'll hear "Voices, selected tab 1 of 2". You can select 
and choose settings for the Voice you 

Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

Sure, my skype is: dynasty86

Thanks


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello,


  Skype?


  Ryan


  On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Dave Wright wrote:


Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing I'm 
confused about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/pause+select 
buttons? 
As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx. I really 
don't want to have to take this issue to them though. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening. 


  Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing the 
following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a challenge.


  1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the wheel) 
down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again if the iPod does 
nothing. You should hear a pop in your headphones, or the music your playing 
should suddenly cut off. While I'm writing this, that may be the best way to do 
it, play something so you know when you have a successful reboot.
  2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and 
play/pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will show up. In 
your case, the best way to know if you've got it right is to wait and see after 
about two minutes if running your finger around the click wheel makes clicks. 
If it does, you need to start over again, it booted and missed the opportunity 
to get into restore mode.
  3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.


  Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the settings 
pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility where a restore can be 
performed after formatting the internal disk.


  You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near where you 
live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail and run through the 
store listings. There is a quick pop-up where you choose your state and then 
choose a store. I don't know where you live, but I'm assuming the United 
States. If not, there is a full store listing that includes world wide 
locations as well.


  Ryan




  On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see the 
settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up in disc 
utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that when you performed 
a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you 
zero out the drive? 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello,


  Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod 
which will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore. I've done 
that one once, but it was a last resort thought right before running out to get 
a new one. Also, Genius bar could probably help if you bring the computer and 
the iPod. Got a Genius bar newar you?


  Ryan






  On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


Good morning all, 
So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my 
iPod with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was a great one 
since I'd just purchased some new music that I wanted to take with me to New 
York. Everything was great until I plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a 
second and then I got a message that told me that my iPod was corrupted and 
that I could either try reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of 
course tried ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result. My next 
choice was to restore the device, however, I can't seem to see the area for the 
iPod settings in order to perform the restore. Any ideas would really be 
appreciated. I really don't want to purchase another iPod just quite yet. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Ryan Dour]

Hello,

Skype?

Ryan

On Apr 9, 2009, at 1:03 PM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing I'm  
> confused about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/pause 
> +select buttons?
> As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx. I  
> really don't want to have to take this issue to them though.
>
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> Webpage:
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan Dour
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>
> Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening.
>
> Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing  
> the following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a  
> challenge.
>
> 1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the  
> wheel) down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again if  
> the iPod does nothing. You should hear a pop in your headphones, or  
> the music your playing should suddenly cut off. While I'm writing  
> this, that may be the best way to do it, play something so you know  
> when you have a successful reboot.
> 2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and  
> play/pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will  
> show up. In your case, the best way to know if you've got it right  
> is to wait and see after about two minutes if running your finger  
> around the click wheel makes clicks. If it does, you need to start  
> over again, it booted and missed the opportunity to get into restore  
> mode.
> 3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.
>
> Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the  
> settings pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility  
> where a restore can be performed after formatting the internal disk.
>
> You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near where  
> you live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail and  
> run through the store listings. There is a quick pop-up where you  
> choose your state and then choose a store. I don't know where you  
> live, but I'm assuming the United States. If not, there is a full  
> store listing that includes world wide locations as well.
>
> Ryan
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
>> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
>> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that  
>> when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you  
>> just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> Dave Wright
>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>> Email:
>> dwri...@gmail.com
>> Webpage:
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Ryan Dour
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod  
>> which will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore.  
>> I've done that one once, but it was a last resort thought right  
>> before running out to get a new one. Also, Genius bar could  
>> probably help if you bring the computer and the iPod. Got a Genius  
>> bar newar you?
>>
>> Ryan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>>
>>> Good morning all,
>>> So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my  
>>> iPod with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought  
>>> was a great one since I'd just purchased some new music that I  
>>> wanted to take with me to New York. Everything was great until I  
>>> plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a second and then I got a  
>>> message that told me that my iPod was corrupted and that I could  
>>> either try reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of  
>>> course tried ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result.  
>>> My next choice was to restore the device, however, I can't seem to  
>>> see the area for the iPod settings in order to perform the  
>>> restore. Any ideas would really be appreciated. I really don't  
>>> want to purchase another iPod just quite yet.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards:
>>> Dave Wright
>>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>>> Email:
>>> dwri...@gmail.com
>>> WebPage:
>>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

Thanks Ryan for the advice. I'm going to try this now. One thing I'm confused 
about and that is when I'm supposed to press the play/pause+select buttons? 
As for the apple store. I do in fact have one or 2 in Austin , Tx. I really 
don't want to have to take this issue to them though. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 12:40 PM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening.


  Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing the 
following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a challenge.


  1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the wheel) down 
together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again if the iPod does nothing. 
You should hear a pop in your headphones, or the music your playing should 
suddenly cut off. While I'm writing this, that may be the best way to do it, 
play something so you know when you have a successful reboot.
  2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and play/pause 
together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will show up. In your case, 
the best way to know if you've got it right is to wait and see after about two 
minutes if running your finger around the click wheel makes clicks. If it does, 
you need to start over again, it booted and missed the opportunity to get into 
restore mode.
  3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.


  Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the settings pane. 
If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility where a restore can be 
performed after formatting the internal disk.


  You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near where you 
live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail and run through the 
store listings. There is a quick pop-up where you choose your state and then 
choose a store. I don't know where you live, but I'm assuming the United 
States. If not, there is a full store listing that includes world wide 
locations as well.


  Ryan




  On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see the 
settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up in disc 
utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that when you performed 
a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you 
zero out the drive? 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello,


  Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod which 
will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore. I've done that one 
once, but it was a last resort thought right before running out to get a new 
one. Also, Genius bar could probably help if you bring the computer and the 
iPod. Got a Genius bar newar you?


  Ryan






  On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


Good morning all, 
So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my iPod 
with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was a great one 
since I'd just purchased some new music that I wanted to take with me to New 
York. Everything was great until I plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a 
second and then I got a message that told me that my iPod was corrupted and 
that I could either try reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of 
course tried ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result. My next 
choice was to restore the device, however, I can't seem to see the area for the 
iPod settings in order to perform the restore. Any ideas would really be 
appreciated. I really don't want to purchase another iPod just quite yet. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com















  

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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Ryan Dour]

Oh, I have an idea of what may be happening.

Do you have the nano? YOu can put it into a restore mode by doing the  
following. Without sighted assistance this may be a bit of a challenge.

1. Hold the select (center of the wheel) and the menu (top of the  
wheel) down together for about 10 seconds. Release and hold again if  
the iPod does nothing. You should hear a pop in your headphones, or  
the music your playing should suddenly cut off. While I'm writing  
this, that may be the best way to do it, play something so you know  
when you have a successful reboot.
2. Immediately release your command and press instead select and play/ 
pause together. If you're successful, the resotre screen will show up.  
In your case, the best way to know if you've got it right is to wait  
and see after about two minutes if running your finger around the  
click wheel makes clicks. If it does, you need to start over again, it  
booted and missed the opportunity to get into restore mode.
3. Once in restore mode, connect your iPod to your computer.

Now, your iPod should show up as normal. Restore it from the settings  
pane. If not, it for sure will show up in Disk Utility where a restore  
can be performed after formatting the internal disk.

You didn't answer one of my questions, got an Apple Store near where  
you live? If you're not sure, visit http://www.apple.com/retail and  
run through the store listings. There is a quick pop-up where you  
choose your state and then choose a store. I don't know where you  
live, but I'm assuming the United States. If not, there is a full  
store listing that includes world wide locations as well.

Ryan


On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that  
> when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you  
> just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> Webpage:
> http://www.knfbreader.com
> - Original Message -
> From: Ryan Dour
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
> Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted
>
> Hello,
>
> Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod  
> which will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore.  
> I've done that one once, but it was a last resort thought right  
> before running out to get a new one. Also, Genius bar could probably  
> help if you bring the computer and the iPod. Got a Genius bar newar  
> you?
>
> Ryan
>
>
>
> On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:
>
>> Good morning all,
>> So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my  
>> iPod with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was  
>> a great one since I'd just purchased some new music that I wanted  
>> to take with me to New York. Everything was great until I plugged  
>> the device in to my Mac. It took a second and then I got a message  
>> that told me that my iPod was corrupted and that I could either try  
>> reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of course tried  
>> ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result. My next choice  
>> was to restore the device, however, I can't seem to see the area  
>> for the iPod settings in order to perform the restore. Any ideas  
>> would really be appreciated. I really don't want to purchase  
>> another iPod just quite yet.
>>
>>
>> Best Regards:
>> Dave Wright
>> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
>> Email:
>> dwri...@gmail.com
>> WebPage:
>> http://www.knfbreader.com
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> >


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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

Good morning ester, 
Thank you for your advice thus far. I've currently got the Nano 4G. As for the 
settings, I really don't understand it. I've tried VO arrowing to the right of 
the vertical splitter and cannot see any area to interact with for settings, so 
I can't even access the restore button. I'll attempt to use the steps you 
mentioned for performing a reset to see if that works. Thus far, I've tried 
rebooting the device with no results. I really don't want to take this to the 
genius bar if I don't have to. 

Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Esther 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 11:25 AM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hi Dave,


  Reformatting is done in iTunes.  I've never had my iPod settings window 
completely disappear, but I'd guess this is like setting up the new Nano 4G 
from scratch -- the area is reached by doing a VO-Right arrow from the sources 
table past the splitter to an area that originally shows up as "unknown", and 
you have to interact with it in order to see things.  When the settings menu 
doesn't disappear there is a button to restore or reformat the iPod that you 
press (VO-Space).  What model iPod do you have?  The other thing that I've done 
(with my Nano 4G) was look at it when connected in Finder.  The files are 
normally hidden, but I had changed this with one of my maintenance facility 
tools.  (I wanted to see where the spoken menu snippets were stored, and found 
I could QuickLook them).  You could also try resetting your iPod before 
reconnecting.  Exactly how you do this will depend on your iPod model, but it 
usually involves toggling the hold switch on and off (on the Nano this means 
you push it to the right, away from the left edge of the iPod to the locked 
position, and then back to the left to the unlocked position), and then 
pressing the menu (12-o'clock position on the wheel) and select (center of the 
wheel) buttons simultaneously.  This is hard to do with your fingers on 
something as small as the Nano;  I had to put it on a flat surface and use 
either a small screwdriver or a pen or pencil to press down on each point and 
hold it down for several seconds to reset.  There's nothing audible about this. 
 (I had to do this on the older 1G model Nano; I've never had to reset my 4G 
Nano.)


  Once again, the reformatting is handled in iTunes, not in Disk Utility.


  Cheers,


  Esther






  On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see the 
settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up in disc 
utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that when you performed 
a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you 
zero out the drive?





  

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Re: Preview Question...

[Esther]

Hi Mike,

I haven't seen this problem before in Preview.  What happens if you  
set the PDF Display mode to single page?  VO-M to the menu bar, press  
"v" to go to the View menu, arrow down and press "p" to go to PDF  
Display, then right arrow to the PDF Display submenu and select  
"Single Page" instead of the default "Single Page Continous"?  This  
basically reverts you to reading one page at a time, and using  
Commmand-right arrow to go to the next page when you reach the end  
(e.g., the same way Preview worked in Tiger).  I'm curious about  
whether this mis-positioning still happens when you force Preview to  
read page by page.

Cheers,

Esther

On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:22 AM, Jesper Holten wrote:

>
> Hi Mike.
> I am not aware of a solution on the mac. but the same problem can  
> occur in
> windows sometimes. Especially if you convert the pdf file directly  
> to text
> format from adobe reader.
> Not to say hereby, that there is no solution on the mac, but just to  
> say
> that I have seen the same thing on windows machines.
>
> Best regards, Jesper.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mike" 
> To: "MacVisionaries" 
> Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:22 PM
> Subject: Preview Question...
>
>
>>
>> Hi all:
>>
>> I'm in the process of reading a 500 plus page book in PDF format.
>> I'm using preview for this but I'm encountering a slight prob.
>> When moving from page to page, VO is announcing the bottom half of  
>> the
>> previously read page before reading the next page I want to hear.
>> I have set in my preferences to use logical page #s and so on plus
>> scaling. I have attempted to turn vo tracking off to see if that
>> helped and it didn't.
>> Bringing thepage to full screen doesn't help either.
>>
>> TNX:
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> >


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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Esther]

Hi Dave,

Reformatting is done in iTunes.  I've never had my iPod settings  
window completely disappear, but I'd guess this is like setting up the  
new Nano 4G from scratch -- the area is reached by doing a VO-Right  
arrow from the sources table past the splitter to an area that  
originally shows up as "unknown", and you have to interact with it in  
order to see things.  When the settings menu doesn't disappear there  
is a button to restore or reformat the iPod that you press (VO- 
Space).  What model iPod do you have?  The other thing that I've done  
(with my Nano 4G) was look at it when connected in Finder.  The files  
are normally hidden, but I had changed this with one of my maintenance  
facility tools.  (I wanted to see where the spoken menu snippets were  
stored, and found I could QuickLook them).  You could also try  
resetting your iPod before reconnecting.  Exactly how you do this will  
depend on your iPod model, but it usually involves toggling the hold  
switch on and off (on the Nano this means you push it to the right,  
away from the left edge of the iPod to the locked position, and then  
back to the left to the unlocked position), and then pressing the menu  
(12-o'clock position on the wheel) and select (center of the wheel)  
buttons simultaneously.  This is hard to do with your fingers on  
something as small as the Nano;  I had to put it on a flat surface and  
use either a small screwdriver or a pen or pencil to press down on  
each point and hold it down for several seconds to reset.  There's  
nothing audible about this.  (I had to do this on the older 1G model  
Nano; I've never had to reset my 4G Nano.)

Once again, the reformatting is handled in iTunes, not in Disk Utility.

Cheers,

Esther



On Apr 9, 2009, at 6:04 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see  
> the settings area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up  
> in disc utilities in order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that  
> when you performed a reformat, everything worked out ok? Did you  
> just do a quick erase, or did you zero out the drive?
>
>
>

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Re: mars edit

[Dan Eickmeier]

I thought it was too, because I didn't see anywhere  to enter a key.   
Although I guess it is trial software.  LOL.
On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:35 AM, Jessi Rathwell wrote:


hey, it's free.
On 9-Apr-09, at 12:30 AM, william lomas wrote:

>
>   Hi, is mars edit, for blogging a free or paid for application?
> Regards, WIll
>
>
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Re: Preview Question...

[Jesper Holten]

Hi Mike.
I am not aware of a solution on the mac. but the same problem can occur in 
windows sometimes. Especially if you convert the pdf file directly to text 
format from adobe reader.
Not to say hereby, that there is no solution on the mac, but just to say 
that I have seen the same thing on windows machines.

Best regards, Jesper.
- Original Message - 
From: "Mike" 
To: "MacVisionaries" 
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 4:22 PM
Subject: Preview Question...


>
> Hi all:
>
> I'm in the process of reading a 500 plus page book in PDF format.
> I'm using preview for this but I'm encountering a slight prob.
> When moving from page to page, VO is announcing the bottom half of the
> previously read page before reading the next page I want to hear.
> I have set in my preferences to use logical page #s and so on plus
> scaling. I have attempted to turn vo tracking off to see if that
> helped and it didn't.
> Bringing thepage to full screen doesn't help either.
>
> TNX:
>
> Mike
>
> >
> 


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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

I've upgraded to the latest version of iTunes and still cannot see the settings 
area. How would I go about getting my iPod to show up in disc utilities in 
order to perform a reformat? I'm guessing that when you performed a reformat, 
everything worked out ok? Did you just do a quick erase, or did you zero out 
the drive? 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
Webpage:
http://www.knfbreader.com

  - Original Message - 
  From: Ryan Dour 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2009 10:38 AM
  Subject: Re: iPod has gone corrupted


  Hello,


  Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod which will 
force it into recovery mode and really force a restore. I've done that one 
once, but it was a last resort thought right before running out to get a new 
one. Also, Genius bar could probably help if you bring the computer and the 
iPod. Got a Genius bar newar you?


  Ryan






  On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:


Good morning all, 
So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my iPod with 
iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was a great one since I'd 
just purchased some new music that I wanted to take with me to New York. 
Everything was great until I plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a second 
and then I got a message that told me that my iPod was corrupted and that I 
could either try reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of course 
tried ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result. My next choice was 
to restore the device, however, I can't seem to see the area for the iPod 
settings in order to perform the restore. Any ideas would really be 
appreciated. I really don't want to purchase another iPod just quite yet. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
Email:
dwri...@gmail.com
WebPage:
http://www.knfbreader.com








  

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Re: iPod has gone corrupted

[Ryan Dour]

Hello,

Got iTunes 8.1.1? Try that out. Also, you could reformat the iPod  
which will force it into recovery mode and really force a restore.  
I've done that one once, but it was a last resort thought right before  
running out to get a new one. Also, Genius bar could probably help if  
you bring the computer and the iPod. Got a Genius bar newar you?

Ryan



On Apr 9, 2009, at 10:00 AM, Dave Wright wrote:

> Good morning all,
> So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my iPod  
> with iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was a  
> great one since I'd just purchased some new music that I wanted to  
> take with me to New York. Everything was great until I plugged the  
> device in to my Mac. It took a second and then I got a message that  
> told me that my iPod was corrupted and that I could either try  
> reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of course tried  
> ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result. My next choice  
> was to restore the device, however, I can't seem to see the area for  
> the iPod settings in order to perform the restore. Any ideas would  
> really be appreciated. I really don't want to purchase another iPod  
> just quite yet.
>
>
> Best Regards:
> Dave Wright
> Work Phone: 651-636-5184 X803
> Email:
> dwri...@gmail.com
> WebPage:
> http://www.knfbreader.com
>
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iPod has gone corrupted

[Dave Wright]

Good morning all, 
So last night I had this great idea that I would try syncing my iPod with 
iTunes, since I'd not done it in a while. The thought was a great one since I'd 
just purchased some new music that I wanted to take with me to New York. 
Everything was great until I plugged the device in to my Mac. It took a second 
and then I got a message that told me that my iPod was corrupted and that I 
could either try reconnecting the device, or try restoring it. I of course 
tried ejecting the device and reconnecting with no result. My next choice was 
to restore the device, however, I can't seem to see the area for the iPod 
settings in order to perform the restore. Any ideas would really be 
appreciated. I really don't want to purchase another iPod just quite yet. 


Best Regards:
Dave Wright
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Email:
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Preview Question...

[Mike]

Hi all:

I'm in the process of reading a 500 plus page book in PDF format.
I'm using preview for this but I'm encountering a slight prob.
When moving from page to page, VO is announcing the bottom half of the
previously read page before reading the next page I want to hear.
I have set in my preferences to use logical page #s and so on plus
scaling. I have attempted to turn vo tracking off to see if that
helped and it didn't.
Bringing thepage to full screen doesn't help either.

TNX:

Mike

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Re: Changing voice of login window

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Søren and Pierre,

Yes, you're right. No one has a choice of voice at login. I tried all  
possibilities this morning on a computer which I set up from scratch  
in French and the voice was still Alex.

This would change if Apple provided a basic voice in every language  
into which VoiceOver is localised.

Cheers,

Anne


On Apr 9, 2009, at 11:21 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> This is weird. It doesn't work for me either. I think this is  
> because the changes in VO and the changes in the System Preferences  
> are  only made for each user on the computer. When you are on the  
> login screen, you aren't logged in to any users yet. I don't have  
> any clue about how to change the voice on the login screen.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> On 08/04/2009, at 20.24, Pierre Heim wrote:
>
>> Good evening folks,
>>
>> I understood the last post of Anne this way that the system voice  
>> you set in speech preverences is also active for the login window.  
>> In order to check if the problem is the Infovox voice I set Bruce  
>> to test this. So I restarted VO and logout/login and restarted but  
>> always the same result: Alex is still present and after login hte  
>> voices from the VO utility settings became active. Is this the  
>> correct behaviour or is something wrong here?
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Pierre Heim
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the system voice is set to Klaus (my iPod syncs the menus with it)  
>> and the Leopard installation is with German localization. I think I  
>> will write a mail to Assistiveware the next days... Thanks so far.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Pierre
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>>
>> Hi Scott and Pierre,
>>
>> I remember that with the Leopard upgrade the default voice (until  
>> you actually finished the upgrade) was Fred. I've only used the  
>> different voice options earlier with VisioVoice (in French) and  
>> Tiger, and I don't run my Leopard account with a different language  
>> localization.  Tiger's support was more restrictive.  I thought  
>> that you could boot up your system in Leopard starting with another  
>> voice, but I haven't tried this myself.  I guess my question to  
>> Pierre would first be whether the computer was set up with a  
>> default localization in German (for the system, not just his  
>> account)?
>>
>> Anne would probably know whether a startup from scratch works with  
>> a voice other than Alex based on her experience with the French  
>> VoiceOver mailing list that she moderates.  Other than that, David  
>> Niemeijer at Assistiveware could probably tell you whether this is  
>> possible for a German login voice.  You could send a query to:
>>
>> supp...@assistiveware.com
>>
>> or else send a post to the Assistiveware forums.  David reads this  
>> list, but a direct email will be faster.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure you can change it. that is a problem unless Apple  
>>> makes different languages a part of the VO package. Of course I  
>>> could be wrong as well.
>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:
>>>
 Hi Esther,

 I know this already (all voices are set to "Klaus" from the iVox  
 package) but the problem is that these settings become only  
 active after user login. I can activate VO for the login window  
 but I cannot find an option to change the voice used for this  
 window. After login everything works fine.

 Pierre

 - Original Message -
 From: Esther
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window

 Hello Pierre,

 Pierre Heim wrote:
>
> is it possible to change the voice for the login window? Alex  
> sounds fine but not for German localization *g*
>

 To change the voice (for example, to Klaus or Sarah from the  
 Infovox iVox German voices), bring up the VoiceOver utility with  
 VO-F8, press 's' to select "Speech" in the table of utility  
 categories, then tab to the pane for setting voices. You'll hear  
 "Voices, selected tab 1 of 2". You can select and choose settings  
 for the Voice you use for Default Voice, Content, Status, Type,  
 Attributes, and VoiceOver menu announcements.  VO-Right arrow to  
 the pop up buttons beside each category and press (VO-Space),  
 then use arrow keys and letters to select your voice from all the  
 available options.  VO-Right arrow to set default rate, pitch,  
 and volume for each voice. You can do this either by typing a 

Re: Changing voice of login window

[Scott Howell]

And that is why I said to the best of my knowledge, I believe it can't  
be done. I have not found any way to change this, but of course you  
can submit it as a suggestion to accessibil...@apple.com.
On Apr 9, 2009, at 5:21 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> This is weird. It doesn't work for me either. I think this is  
> because the changes in VO and the changes in the System Preferences  
> are  only made for each user on the computer. When you are on the  
> login screen, you aren't logged in to any users yet. I don't have  
> any clue about how to change the voice on the login screen.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
>
> On 08/04/2009, at 20.24, Pierre Heim wrote:
>
>> Good evening folks,
>>
>> I understood the last post of Anne this way that the system voice  
>> you set in speech preverences is also active for the login window.  
>> In order to check if the problem is the Infovox voice I set Bruce  
>> to test this. So I restarted VO and logout/login and restarted but  
>> always the same result: Alex is still present and after login hte  
>> voices from the VO utility settings became active. Is this the  
>> correct behaviour or is something wrong here?
>>
>> Pierre
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Pierre Heim
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> the system voice is set to Klaus (my iPod syncs the menus with it)  
>> and the Leopard installation is with German localization. I think I  
>> will write a mail to Assistiveware the next days... Thanks so far.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Pierre
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Esther
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM
>> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>>
>> Hi Scott and Pierre,
>>
>> I remember that with the Leopard upgrade the default voice (until  
>> you actually finished the upgrade) was Fred. I've only used the  
>> different voice options earlier with VisioVoice (in French) and  
>> Tiger, and I don't run my Leopard account with a different language  
>> localization.  Tiger's support was more restrictive.  I thought  
>> that you could boot up your system in Leopard starting with another  
>> voice, but I haven't tried this myself.  I guess my question to  
>> Pierre would first be whether the computer was set up with a  
>> default localization in German (for the system, not just his  
>> account)?
>>
>> Anne would probably know whether a startup from scratch works with  
>> a voice other than Alex based on her experience with the French  
>> VoiceOver mailing list that she moderates.  Other than that, David  
>> Niemeijer at Assistiveware could probably tell you whether this is  
>> possible for a German login voice.  You could send a query to:
>>
>> supp...@assistiveware.com
>>
>> or else send a post to the Assistiveware forums.  David reads this  
>> list, but a direct email will be faster.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>
>>> I'm not sure you can change it. that is a problem unless Apple  
>>> makes different languages a part of the VO package. Of course I  
>>> could be wrong as well.
>>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:
>>>
 Hi Esther,

 I know this already (all voices are set to "Klaus" from the iVox  
 package) but the problem is that these settings become only  
 active after user login. I can activate VO for the login window  
 but I cannot find an option to change the voice used for this  
 window. After login everything works fine.

 Pierre

 - Original Message -
 From: Esther
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:13 PM
 Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window

 Hello Pierre,

 Pierre Heim wrote:
>
> is it possible to change the voice for the login window? Alex  
> sounds fine but not for German localization *g*
>

 To change the voice (for example, to Klaus or Sarah from the  
 Infovox iVox German voices), bring up the VoiceOver utility with  
 VO-F8, press 's' to select "Speech" in the table of utility  
 categories, then tab to the pane for setting voices. You'll hear  
 "Voices, selected tab 1 of 2". You can select and choose settings  
 for the Voice you use for Default Voice, Content, Status, Type,  
 Attributes, and VoiceOver menu announcements.  VO-Right arrow to  
 the pop up buttons beside each category and press (VO-Space),  
 then use arrow keys and letters to select your voice from all the  
 available options.  VO-Right arrow to set default rate, pitch,  
 and volume for each voice. You can do this either by typing a  
 number between 1 and 100 in the text field or by using your up  
 and down arrow keys on the adjusters when you VO-Right

Re: resubscribe

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On 6 Apr 2009, at 18:22, L. T. Reed wrote:
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You'll have to have a Google account associated with the address  
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Re: website building on the Mac?

[Eliza Cooper]

Oh ok, this is good to know.  I will check that out; thanks!
Eliza
On Apr 9, 2009, at 3:57 AM, Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis wrote:

>
> On 8/4/09 16:38, Eliza Cooper wrote:
>> Can you use TextEdit to do the same thing (i.e., write code and see  
>> the
>> finished product by launching the file when Safari is open)?
>
> I recommend using Smultron (it's free) rather than TextEdit, as it's
> more of a code editor and less of a simple word processor.
>
> http://www.tuppis.com/smultron/
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mood status in mars edit

[william lomas]

hi all how do I set the mood status in mars edit when doing a  
journal entry?
thanks, will


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Re: Changing voice of login window

[Søren Jensen]

This is weird. It doesn't work for me either. I think this is because  
the changes in VO and the changes in the System Preferences are  only  
made for each user on the computer. When you are on the login screen,  
you aren't logged in to any users yet. I don't have any clue about how  
to change the voice on the login screen.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

On 08/04/2009, at 20.24, Pierre Heim wrote:

> Good evening folks,
>
> I understood the last post of Anne this way that the system voice  
> you set in speech preverences is also active for the login window.  
> In order to check if the problem is the Infovox voice I set Bruce to  
> test this. So I restarted VO and logout/login and restarted but  
> always the same result: Alex is still present and after login hte  
> voices from the VO utility settings became active. Is this the  
> correct behaviour or is something wrong here?
>
> Pierre
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Pierre Heim
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>
> Hi,
>
> the system voice is set to Klaus (my iPod syncs the menus with it)  
> and the Leopard installation is with German localization. I think I  
> will write a mail to Assistiveware the next days... Thanks so far.
>
> Greetings,
> Pierre
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Esther
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 10:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>
> Hi Scott and Pierre,
>
> I remember that with the Leopard upgrade the default voice (until  
> you actually finished the upgrade) was Fred. I've only used the  
> different voice options earlier with VisioVoice (in French) and  
> Tiger, and I don't run my Leopard account with a different language  
> localization.  Tiger's support was more restrictive.  I thought that  
> you could boot up your system in Leopard starting with another  
> voice, but I haven't tried this myself.  I guess my question to  
> Pierre would first be whether the computer was set up with a default  
> localization in German (for the system, not just his account)?
>
> Anne would probably know whether a startup from scratch works with a  
> voice other than Alex based on her experience with the French  
> VoiceOver mailing list that she moderates.  Other than that, David  
> Niemeijer at Assistiveware could probably tell you whether this is  
> possible for a German login voice.  You could send a query to:
>
> supp...@assistiveware.com
>
> or else send a post to the Assistiveware forums.  David reads this  
> list, but a direct email will be faster.
>
> HTH
>
> On Apr 6, 2009, at 10:07 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure you can change it. that is a problem unless Apple  
>> makes different languages a part of the VO package. Of course I  
>> could be wrong as well.
>> On Apr 6, 2009, at 3:30 PM, Pierre Heim wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Esther,
>>>
>>> I know this already (all voices are set to "Klaus" from the iVox  
>>> package) but the problem is that these settings become only active  
>>> after user login. I can activate VO for the login window but I  
>>> cannot find an option to change the voice used for this window.  
>>> After login everything works fine.
>>>
>>> Pierre
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Esther
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Monday, April 06, 2009 9:13 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Changing voice of login window
>>>
>>> Hello Pierre,
>>>
>>> Pierre Heim wrote:

 is it possible to change the voice for the login window? Alex  
 sounds fine but not for German localization *g*

>>>
>>> To change the voice (for example, to Klaus or Sarah from the  
>>> Infovox iVox German voices), bring up the VoiceOver utility with  
>>> VO-F8, press 's' to select "Speech" in the table of utility  
>>> categories, then tab to the pane for setting voices. You'll hear  
>>> "Voices, selected tab 1 of 2". You can select and choose settings  
>>> for the Voice you use for Default Voice, Content, Status, Type,  
>>> Attributes, and VoiceOver menu announcements.  VO-Right arrow to  
>>> the pop up buttons beside each category and press (VO-Space), then  
>>> use arrow keys and letters to select your voice from all the  
>>> available options.  VO-Right arrow to set default rate, pitch, and  
>>> volume for each voice. You can do this either by typing a number  
>>> between 1 and 100 in the text field or by using your up and down  
>>> arrow keys on the adjusters when you VO-Right arrow past the text  
>>> field inputs.
>>>
>>> You can also edit pronunciation by choosing the Pronunciation tab  
>>> of the Speech options in VoiceOver Utility.  Use either VO-Right  
>>> Arrow from the Voices tab or item chooser menu (VO-I) and type "t  
>>> a b" to navigate to the Pronunciation tab, then return.  VO-Space  
>>> on the tab to select it. VO-Right arrow and int

Re: mars edit

[william lomas]

where do I enter the key though since it does not state it is a trial?

On 9 Apr 2009, at 09:15, Scott Rutkowski wrote:

>
> it's a 30 day trial then you have to buy it and yes it's for blogging.
> go and read the website all the info is there.
>
>
> On 09/04/2009, at 5:30 PM, william lomas wrote:
>
>>
>>  Hi, is mars edit, for blogging a free or paid for application?
>> Regards, WIll
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
> >


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Re: mars edit

[Jessi Rathwell]

oh is it? hmm, my bad, I thought it was free.
On 9-Apr-09, at 1:15 AM, Scott Rutkowski wrote:

>
> it's a 30 day trial then you have to buy it and yes it's for blogging.
> go and read the website all the info is there.
>
>
> On 09/04/2009, at 5:30 PM, william lomas wrote:
>
>>
>>  Hi, is mars edit, for blogging a free or paid for application?
>> Regards, WIll
>>
>>
>>>
>
>
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Re: mars edit

[Scott Rutkowski]

it's a 30 day trial then you have to buy it and yes it's for blogging.  
go and read the website all the info is there.


On 09/04/2009, at 5:30 PM, william lomas wrote:

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>   Hi, is mars edit, for blogging a free or paid for application?
> Regards, WIll
>
>
> >


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Re: website building on the Mac?

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

On 8/4/09 16:38, Eliza Cooper wrote:
> Can you use TextEdit to do the same thing (i.e., write code and see the
> finished product by launching the file when Safari is open)?

I recommend using Smultron (it's free) rather than TextEdit, as it's 
more of a code editor and less of a simple word processor.

http://www.tuppis.com/smultron/

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Re: mars edit

[Jessi Rathwell]

hey, it's free.
On 9-Apr-09, at 12:30 AM, william lomas wrote:

>
>   Hi, is mars edit, for blogging a free or paid for application?
> Regards, WIll
>
>
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mars edit

[william lomas]

Hi, is mars edit, for blogging a free or paid for application?
Regards, WIll


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Re: website building on the Mac?

[Alex Jurgensen]

Hi,

Did you get my last message. I sent it from school and need to know if  
the list received it.

Thanks,
Alex,


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> Hi list,
>I'm taking on a new long-term project/hobby and learning how to
> code so that I can start my own website.  I'm a definite novice and am
> experimenting with html in notepad on the windows side of my Mac.  Can
> you use TextEdit to do the same thing (i.e., write code and see the
> finished product by launching the file when Safari is open)?  If
> someone who has created their own site is willing, could they write me
> off-list?  I'd also love advice on what web hosting service to use,
> but that's off topic.
>Thanks,
>Eliza
>
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