Re: numbers guide
Hi Pete, I am using Numbers a lot with Snow Leopard, since it is even more accessible here. Here is some basic VO tips for working with a blank template in Numbers: •Launch Numbers so that you have the templates window in front of you, or press command-shift-N to bring up the template chooser. •find the list of template categories and press return on the blank template. Numbers will open a fresh and new blank page. •Navigate to the scroll area and interact with it. •Navigate to the layout area and interact with it. •Navigate to the table 1 table and interact with it. •Use your arrow keys to navigate around in the sheet, when you are on a header cell or row/column cell where you would like to add new data or overwrite existing data, simply write. •To edit or add data to an existing content, VO-shift-space on the cell and navigate inside of the cell with the arrow keys. •When finished, press return and you are done. You are taken to the next cell. There are different ways to interact with Numbers when you use VO, my suggestion is to create a test to play around with, and get familiar with it before working on real content. You will find both a Getting started guide and a User Guide under the Help menu in Numbers. Hope this helps! Take care, John André On 30. sep. 2009, at 03.29, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, as i have been playing around with numbers lately. a few questions come to mind. 1. how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being selected? 2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to excel? 3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers? any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Are you ready yet?
Hi, Anyway, having made a rather smooth transition from Windows to the Macintosh a couple of months ago, (if you consider having to reinstall after getting it), I have at least one question about Automator. I used it a little bit in Leopard. It seemed to work fine, and that's not really problem until Snow Leopard was installed. What happens now, is that if I add an action such as Text to Audio to my workflow, it'll say busy for some time. When it's ready, every time I move to a different item on the screen it'll say Busy for about ten seconds before I can move on. However, this happens every time I move in Automator after adding said action. Is there any way to fix this? Hopefully, I'm not the only one having this issue, or finding it annoying. This happens in sidebars and file browsers as well, particularly in Disk Utility, where I'm forced to quit the process before the Mac becomes responsive again. While I know you can add this action to the Services submenu, I just can't let go of how I used to do it. I did try that, though, and with no success. I'd imagine the action is supposed to show up in said submenu, but it does not. Most likely me doing something wrong, but according to someone else I took the right steps. I'll outline exactly what I did below. 1) Went to the Services submenu, and entered Service Preferences. 2) I proceeded to the Shortcuts Categories table, and of course, it will already be focussed on the services category. 3) I went onward to the Keyboard Shortcuts table, found text, then checked Add to iTunes as a spoken track then added a command. Now, my impression would be that it should appear in the Services submenu in an application such as Text Edit. This does not happen. Anyone got any corrections to both of these queries? Greatly appreciated. Nic --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
how to get a caps lock key in ubuntu under fusion
Hello list members. How would I go about remapping the right option key to the caps lock key in my ubuntu VM? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: a few intro questions re: applications and voiceover
well, for audio playing, there is vlc for the mac. On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: Hello all, I recently got my apple a couple weeks ago, and have been hunting for a few solutions to give me the functionality I had on windows. First, I'm a full-time coder, what time I don't devote to anything I code for a hobby. I'm looking for a good, accessible editor; any ideas? I'd specifically love something that would announce indents when working with python. Beyond that, I just need a good editor. Second, I tend to mud quite frequently and would like to find a mud client that I can easily use with the ease that I could use mush and Jaws. I realize that I will probably have to learn new commands, new ways of doing things, but I'd love to have a client that I could use easily and efficiently. I love pkilling, so I need something that I can function quickly with. I tried a few muds, tintin, udwalker, and atlantas. I love tintin, but voiceover still seems ot have issues reading things in the terminal, especially when using screen. It also announces two blank lines between each new block of text, which gets annoying because the blank lines aren't actually there. Mudwalker looked ok, but it ffroze the whole system when you input half of the URL. Atlantas looked the best, but there's an issue with it reading. It looks as if the input box is separated from the main box, so the idea would get voiceover to read the output box like it reads the shell window in terminal. Branching off of this, is there a workaround to get voiceover to properly work with screen? Last couple questions, I think. I frequently listen to audio books when I'm not coding or mudding, but I haven't managed to find a player that allows me to jump around if it's a long book. Any idea if there is something out there that plays ogg/mp3 mainly that will allow this? I like cog, but it has issues jumping around. Last, sometimes voiceover will randomly announce row number expanded when that row doesn't need to be expanded or wasn't as far as I know. Any way of fixing this? Lastly, I'd love to get into programming for the mac. I already know c+ + and a few other languages, so developing apps shouldn't be to far off. Is there an accessible editor that will allow me to use coco? I found a tutorial on xcode, but after getting to placing controls, it was drag and drop from one window to the next, and I couldn't find another way to insert controls. Sorry for all the questions, answers to any of them would really be appriciated. I'd like to just toss windows and put linux on that laptop, but I need to obtain the proficiency in what I like doing with the mac before I can do that. I've switched to everything else, just haven't managed to find everything that I need. Tia, Tyler --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: a few intro questions re: applications and voiceover
And there's also itunes. On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: well, for audio playing, there is vlc for the mac. On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: Hello all, I recently got my apple a couple weeks ago, and have been hunting for a few solutions to give me the functionality I had on windows. First, I'm a full-time coder, what time I don't devote to anything I code for a hobby. I'm looking for a good, accessible editor; any ideas? I'd specifically love something that would announce indents when working with python. Beyond that, I just need a good editor. Second, I tend to mud quite frequently and would like to find a mud client that I can easily use with the ease that I could use mush and Jaws. I realize that I will probably have to learn new commands, new ways of doing things, but I'd love to have a client that I could use easily and efficiently. I love pkilling, so I need something that I can function quickly with. I tried a few muds, tintin, udwalker, and atlantas. I love tintin, but voiceover still seems ot have issues reading things in the terminal, especially when using screen. It also announces two blank lines between each new block of text, which gets annoying because the blank lines aren't actually there. Mudwalker looked ok, but it ffroze the whole system when you input half of the URL. Atlantas looked the best, but there's an issue with it reading. It looks as if the input box is separated from the main box, so the idea would get voiceover to read the output box like it reads the shell window in terminal. Branching off of this, is there a workaround to get voiceover to properly work with screen? Last couple questions, I think. I frequently listen to audio books when I'm not coding or mudding, but I haven't managed to find a player that allows me to jump around if it's a long book. Any idea if there is something out there that plays ogg/mp3 mainly that will allow this? I like cog, but it has issues jumping around. Last, sometimes voiceover will randomly announce row number expanded when that row doesn't need to be expanded or wasn't as far as I know. Any way of fixing this? Lastly, I'd love to get into programming for the mac. I already know c+ + and a few other languages, so developing apps shouldn't be to far off. Is there an accessible editor that will allow me to use coco? I found a tutorial on xcode, but after getting to placing controls, it was drag and drop from one window to the next, and I couldn't find another way to insert controls. Sorry for all the questions, answers to any of them would really be appriciated. I'd like to just toss windows and put linux on that laptop, but I need to obtain the proficiency in what I like doing with the mac before I can do that. I've switched to everything else, just haven't managed to find everything that I need. Tia, Tyler --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to get a caps lock key in ubuntu under fusion
Hi Mat, I am assuming you want to use the caps lock key to run the orca screen reader. If this is the case, you can remap the caps lock key to the escape key from within ubuntu itself. To do this, go into your VM and using orca, look under the system menu. I think its under system preferences. Find the item that says keyboard, and hit enter. There will be an option to change the keyboard type, and there is also a customize button. If you hit this, you will then see an option to swap the caps lock and escape keys. Check this button, hit apply, and orca will now work using the escape key instead of caps lock. Note: Vmware fusion does not pass continuous strings of caps lock to your virtual machine. However, you can hit it once to leave menus and effectively act as your escape key. I hope this helps. John do the following. On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hello list members. How would I go about remapping the right option key to the caps lock key in my ubuntu VM? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: how to get a caps lock key in ubuntu under fusion
Thank! you! On 2009-09-30, at 10:50 AM, John J Herzog wrote: Hi Mat, I am assuming you want to use the caps lock key to run the orca screen reader. If this is the case, you can remap the caps lock key to the escape key from within ubuntu itself. To do this, go into your VM and using orca, look under the system menu. I think its under system preferences. Find the item that says keyboard, and hit enter. There will be an option to change the keyboard type, and there is also a customize button. If you hit this, you will then see an option to swap the caps lock and escape keys. Check this button, hit apply, and orca will now work using the escape key instead of caps lock. Note: Vmware fusion does not pass continuous strings of caps lock to your virtual machine. However, you can hit it once to leave menus and effectively act as your escape key. I hope this helps. John do the following. On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:28 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote: Hello list members. How would I go about remapping the right option key to the caps lock key in my ubuntu VM? Thanks. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
A Question for Audio Hijack Pro Users
Hello, I recently downloaded Audio Hijack Pro for recording Skype calls. Is there anyone who would be willing to discuss some of the finer points of how to use this application? We could discuss it via Skype or telephone. I've almost got it but I have one or two questions that would take a novel to write; so I request voice communication. If so, please let me know. If anyone has a recommendation other than Skype, I will consider it. One of the reason why I chose Audio Hijack Pro is because, apparently, one can record Mixj-Minus with it. That is, the imcoming signal can be recorded on one track while the outgoing signal is recorded on the second track. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: A Question for Audio Hijack Pro Users
Hi Mark, Have you listened to Shane Jackson's podcast on Audio Hijack Pro? You can find this at his BlindWorld Blog entry: http://blindworldblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/small-review-of-audio-hijack-pro.html The direct link to the mp3 file is: http://www.shanejackson.net/Audio_Hijack_Demo.mp3 That might answer some of your questions. Cheers, Esther M. Taylor wrote: Hello, I recently downloaded Audio Hijack Pro for recording Skype calls. Is there anyone who would be willing to discuss some of the finer points of how to use this application? We could discuss it via Skype or telephone. I've almost got it but I have one or two questions that would take a novel to write; so I request voice communication. If so, please let me know. If anyone has a recommendation other than Skype, I will consider it. One of the reason why I chose Audio Hijack Pro is because, apparently, one can record Mixj-Minus with it. That is, the imcoming signal can be recorded on one track while the outgoing signal is recorded on the second track. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Converting bookshare books to Audio in the Mac
Hi All! I wonder, is it possible to convert .xml files to MP3 or any type of audio files that the Victor Stream can recognize? I downloaded a DAISY book from bookshare, and I don't want to read it via the TTS in the VS. Is there an easy way to convert this book to audio using Alex? I'm using my sis machine which has OS X 10.5.. TIA Khalid --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Converting bookshare books to Audio in the Mac
how do you open the bookshare books on a mac anyways? the new books are zipped yet never open on a mac On 30 Sep 2009, at 17:41, Dr.Khalid wrote: Hi All! I wonder, is it possible to convert .xml files to MP3 or any type of audio files that the Victor Stream can recognize? I downloaded a DAISY book from bookshare, and I don't want to read it via the TTS in the VS. Is there an easy way to convert this book to audio using Alex? I'm using my sis machine which has OS X 10.5.. TIA Khalid --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
List Boxes.
i all, Is there a way to use extended or multi select list boxes with VO? Thanks, Jesse --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: List Boxes.
I'm not totally sure, but I had heard that we could use them on web pages, as of Safari 4. On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:15 PM, Jesse Bollinger wrote: i all, Is there a way to use extended or multi select list boxes with VO? Thanks, Jesse --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Converting bookshare books to Audio in the Mac
Hi Will, I asked a similar question a few days ago. YOu can either unzip using Terminal or download a program; Unarchiver was recommended. I tried the Terminal approach yesterday and it worked great: Go to Finder/Utilities and open Terminal. Type unzip -e paste in the file you want to unzip, and press Enter. You will soon be prompted for a password; type that in and press Enter. The book is unzipped. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: numbers guide
Dear John, As you navigate round a sheet, does VO read the row and column number? Is there a way of checking headings of columns if you create them, or do you have to remember tehM? Can you add sheets to your template the way you do in Excel so that you have multiple sheets? John, thank you for the list of steps in your message. I find it encouraging and I may now consider purchasing Iwork. With best wishes, Simon On 30 Sep 2009, at 08:54, John André Netland wrote: Hi Pete, I am using Numbers a lot with Snow Leopard, since it is even more accessible here. Here is some basic VO tips for working with a blank template in Numbers: •Launch Numbers so that you have the templates window in front of you, or press command-shift-N to bring up the template chooser. •find the list of template categories and press return on the blank template. Numbers will open a fresh and new blank page. •Navigate to the scroll area and interact with it. •Navigate to the layout area and interact with it. •Navigate to the table 1 table and interact with it. •Use your arrow keys to navigate around in the sheet, when you are on a header cell or row/column cell where you would like to add new data or overwrite existing data, simply write. •To edit or add data to an existing content, VO-shift-space on the cell and navigate inside of the cell with the arrow keys. •When finished, press return and you are done. You are taken to the next cell. There are different ways to interact with Numbers when you use VO, my suggestion is to create a test to play around with, and get familiar with it before working on real content. You will find both a Getting started guide and a User Guide under the Help menu in Numbers. Hope this helps! Take care, John André On 30. sep. 2009, at 03.29, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, as i have been playing around with numbers lately. a few questions come to mind. 1. how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being selected? 2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to excel? 3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers? any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Apple is going beyond basic E-Readers
Considering that eBooks feel like MP3 players were pre-iPod, this could be Apple's next big thing. I haven't read positive reviews of the Kindle as a true book reader. At least there was some not so positive press about the Kindle in academic situations yesterday: http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2009/09/28/23918/ CB Dr.Khalid wrote: *What do people think?* *http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/09/30/apple_contacted_print_publications_about_tablet_report.html* ** *Is Apple on the right track? Will this give us, VI folks, equal right to read as sighted folks? Let's cross fingers for more accessible opportunities.* *Best* *Khalid* --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: a few intro questions re: applications and voiceover
I'll try out itunes, thanks. On Sep 30, 2009, at 8:17 AM, Chantel Cuddemi wrote: And there's also itunes. On Sep 30, 2009, at 10:03 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: well, for audio playing, there is vlc for the mac. On Sep 29, 2009, at 10:45 PM, Tyler Littlefield wrote: Hello all, I recently got my apple a couple weeks ago, and have been hunting for a few solutions to give me the functionality I had on windows. First, I'm a full-time coder, what time I don't devote to anything I code for a hobby. I'm looking for a good, accessible editor; any ideas? I'd specifically love something that would announce indents when working with python. Beyond that, I just need a good editor. Second, I tend to mud quite frequently and would like to find a mud client that I can easily use with the ease that I could use mush and Jaws. I realize that I will probably have to learn new commands, new ways of doing things, but I'd love to have a client that I could use easily and efficiently. I love pkilling, so I need something that I can function quickly with. I tried a few muds, tintin, udwalker, and atlantas. I love tintin, but voiceover still seems ot have issues reading things in the terminal, especially when using screen. It also announces two blank lines between each new block of text, which gets annoying because the blank lines aren't actually there. Mudwalker looked ok, but it ffroze the whole system when you input half of the URL. Atlantas looked the best, but there's an issue with it reading. It looks as if the input box is separated from the main box, so the idea would get voiceover to read the output box like it reads the shell window in terminal. Branching off of this, is there a workaround to get voiceover to properly work with screen? Last couple questions, I think. I frequently listen to audio books when I'm not coding or mudding, but I haven't managed to find a player that allows me to jump around if it's a long book. Any idea if there is something out there that plays ogg/mp3 mainly that will allow this? I like cog, but it has issues jumping around. Last, sometimes voiceover will randomly announce row number expanded when that row doesn't need to be expanded or wasn't as far as I know. Any way of fixing this? Lastly, I'd love to get into programming for the mac. I already know c+ + and a few other languages, so developing apps shouldn't be to far off. Is there an accessible editor that will allow me to use coco? I found a tutorial on xcode, but after getting to placing controls, it was drag and drop from one window to the next, and I couldn't find another way to insert controls. Sorry for all the questions, answers to any of them would really be appriciated. I'd like to just toss windows and put linux on that laptop, but I need to obtain the proficiency in what I like doing with the mac before I can do that. I've switched to everything else, just haven't managed to find everything that I need. Tia, Tyler --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac
Hello, This is sort of a hypothetical question at this point since I only have one Mac, but would it be correct to assume that one can remote desktop into another Mac and just turn on Voiceover remotely just as one can with Jaws or Windoweyes? Has anyone connected to a Windows pc using remote desktop? I'd assume the easiest way to do this would be to load Windows on your Mac and use Vmware to connect the two Windows computers together? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Cursor creating new lines without user input
Hi folks, Has anyone noticed VO speaking new lines i.e. the cursor moving down lines on its own? I am going to write Apple about this if it is a bug or is it a preference i need to check somewhere? This seems to happen in Nisus and Mail for me. Thanks Take care James --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Converting bookshare books to Audio in the Mac
where does it go though On 30 Sep 2009, at 18:52, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Will, I asked a similar question a few days ago. YOu can either unzip using Terminal or download a program; Unarchiver was recommended. I tried the Terminal approach yesterday and it worked great: Go to Finder/Utilities and open Terminal. Type unzip -e paste in the file you want to unzip, and press Enter. You will soon be prompted for a password; type that in and press Enter. The book is unzipped. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Converting bookshare books to Audio in the Mac
Is there a way, though, to convert the book to Audio using Alex? - Original Message - From: Woody Anna Dresner To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 2:44 PM Subject: Re: Converting bookshare books to Audio in the Mac Hi Will, the unzipped file goes to your Home folder. Best, Anna On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:35 PM, william lomas wrote: where does it go though On 30 Sep 2009, at 18:52, Woody Anna Dresner wrote: Hi Will, I asked a similar question a few days ago. YOu can either unzip using Terminal or download a program; Unarchiver was recommended. I tried the Terminal approach yesterday and it worked great: Go to Finder/Utilities and open Terminal. Type unzip -e paste in the file you want to unzip, and press Enter. You will soon be prompted for a password; type that in and press Enter. The book is unzipped. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac
how do you use remote desktop? does anyone know? On Sep 30, 2009, at 1:00 PM, David McLean wrote: Hello, This is sort of a hypothetical question at this point since I only have one Mac, but would it be correct to assume that one can remote desktop into another Mac and just turn on Voiceover remotely just as one can with Jaws or Windoweyes? Has anyone connected to a Windows pc using remote desktop? I'd assume the easiest way to do this would be to load Windows on your Mac and use Vmware to connect the two Windows computers together? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
iPhone, my first impression
Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: iPhone honored by NFB
Hi. yes, that poorly researched and non objective so called review of voiceover should have been formally retracted, along with an apology, but, that did not, and probably will not, come to pass. Unfortunetly. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac
No, on the Windows machine that you are Remoting into set up RDP incoming connections. Install the RDP client for the Mac and set it to connect to the Windows machine. You will have to Google for the Mac RDP client. You can here though: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/remotedesktopc onnectionclient.html If you have Fusion installed on the Mac with a Windows client OS installed you don't need anything else. The RDP client is built into Windows (XP, Vista, 2003, 2008, etc). If you use JFW, you will need the RDP add on license. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac Hello, This is sort of a hypothetical question at this point since I only have one Mac, but would it be correct to assume that one can remote desktop into another Mac and just turn on Voiceover remotely just as one can with Jaws or Windoweyes? Has anyone connected to a Windows pc using remote desktop? I'd assume the easiest way to do this would be to load Windows on your Mac and use Vmware to connect the two Windows computers together? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: iPhone honored by NFB
Actually, Apple should have sued the NFB for slander and loss of revenue. Now wouldn't that be poetic justice. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iPhone honored by NFB Hi. yes, that poorly researched and non objective so called review of voiceover should have been formally retracted, along with an apology, but, that did not, and probably will not, come to pass. Unfortunetly. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
omg that would have been funny!!! On Sep 30, 2009, at 4:24 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: Actually, Apple should have sued the NFB for slander and loss of revenue. Now wouldn't that be poetic justice. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iPhone honored by NFB Hi. yes, that poorly researched and non objective so called review of voiceover should have been formally retracted, along with an apology, but, that did not, and probably will not, come to pass. Unfortunetly. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: numbers guide
John, thank You! this was exactly what i needed. i am finding that i need to learn things on the mac after a taxing day at the office. when needing to be able to make things work with out patients is not a good combination. thanks for saving this cool MBP of mine. Pete On Sep 30, 2009, at 3:54 AM, John André Netland wrote: Hi Pete, I am using Numbers a lot with Snow Leopard, since it is even more accessible here. Here is some basic VO tips for working with a blank template in Numbers: •Launch Numbers so that you have the templates window in front of you, or press command-shift-N to bring up the template chooser. •find the list of template categories and press return on the blank template. Numbers will open a fresh and new blank page. •Navigate to the scroll area and interact with it. •Navigate to the layout area and interact with it. •Navigate to the table 1 table and interact with it. •Use your arrow keys to navigate around in the sheet, when you are on a header cell or row/column cell where you would like to add new data or overwrite existing data, simply write. •To edit or add data to an existing content, VO-shift-space on the cell and navigate inside of the cell with the arrow keys. •When finished, press return and you are done. You are taken to the next cell. There are different ways to interact with Numbers when you use VO, my suggestion is to create a test to play around with, and get familiar with it before working on real content. You will find both a Getting started guide and a User Guide under the Help menu in Numbers. Hope this helps! Take care, John André On 30. sep. 2009, at 03.29, peter apgar wrote: Good evening all, as i have been playing around with numbers lately. a few questions come to mind. 1. how does one open a blank worksheet with out all of the options like budget shopping lists and other formatting choices being selected? 2 after opening this new work sheet can one edit formulas similar to excel? 3 is there some sort of getting started guide for numbers? any information is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance, Pete --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: -- SPAM -- RE: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac
Thanks. On Sep 30, 2009, at 7:23 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: No, on the Windows machine that you are Remoting into set up RDP incoming connections. Install the RDP client for the Mac and set it to connect to the Windows machine. You will have to Google for the Mac RDP client. You can here though: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/remotedesktopc onnectionclient.html If you have Fusion installed on the Mac with a Windows client OS installed you don't need anything else. The RDP client is built into Windows (XP, Vista, 2003, 2008, etc). If you use JFW, you will need the RDP add on license. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac Hello, This is sort of a hypothetical question at this point since I only have one Mac, but would it be correct to assume that one can remote desktop into another Mac and just turn on Voiceover remotely just as one can with Jaws or Windoweyes? Has anyone connected to a Windows pc using remote desktop? I'd assume the easiest way to do this would be to load Windows on your Mac and use Vmware to connect the two Windows computers together? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
I think your right rich, however, their attempt to do this is rather sad since it would be easier to just admit that they are human like the rest of us, that an error was made, and then not repeat this. That certainly would have gone some ways to repairing damaged credibility. On 2009-09-30, at 7:14 PM, Rich Ring wrote: I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Please advise about accessible statistics software
Hello everyone, I need an accessible statistics software package, if not for the Mac, then for Windows. Can anyone on this list suggest such an application? If there is an accessible stats app out there, and it is a Windows app, what screen reader would be able to access it? Thanks very much for your assistance in this matter, and my apologies to anyone who deems this question inappropriate, given the bit about Windows. Cordially, Rafael Bejarano --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac
And it's probably not going to work because if you use MacOSX, they don't make JFW for it. That's the one downer to RDP is that JFW is needed at both ends of the connection. - Original Message - From: Frank Ventura frank.vent...@littlebreezes.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:23 PM Subject: RE: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac No, on the Windows machine that you are Remoting into set up RDP incoming connections. Install the RDP client for the Mac and set it to connect to the Windows machine. You will have to Google for the Mac RDP client. You can here though: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/networking_security/remotedesktopc onnectionclient.html If you have Fusion installed on the Mac with a Windows client OS installed you don't need anything else. The RDP client is built into Windows (XP, Vista, 2003, 2008, etc). If you use JFW, you will need the RDP add on license. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David McLean Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 5:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Question on Remote Desktop with the Mac Hello, This is sort of a hypothetical question at this point since I only have one Mac, but would it be correct to assume that one can remote desktop into another Mac and just turn on Voiceover remotely just as one can with Jaws or Windoweyes? Has anyone connected to a Windows pc using remote desktop? I'd assume the easiest way to do this would be to load Windows on your Mac and use Vmware to connect the two Windows computers together? --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Saving a file in Iworks pages
Hello, Is there any way in Iworks pages to save a file in any format such as txt or rtf or am I just stuck with .pages? Thanks Steve --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
MacBook Pro Out Of The Box
Hi All, My MacBook Pro should arrive this Friday! Will I need to get sighted assistance to turn VoiceOver on within the menus or will the option key f5 do it? Debra --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: MacBook Pro Out Of The Box
Hi, Depending on your keyboard, you may have to press Command-FN-F5. Try Command-F5, and if that doesn't work, try again adding the FN key. A tutorial will help you learn basic VO navigation. It's also possible you won't need to turn VoiceOver on at all. When I turned on my Mac Mini for the first time, there was a prompt to select a language, and VO said English. Once I selected a language, VO said to press one key to continue using VO and go to the tutorial. I pressed the key it said, and everything worked. Best, Anna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
stop it this this a tech list not a politcel one. using the del key. On Sep 30, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: Actually, Apple should have sued the NFB for slander and loss of revenue. Now wouldn't that be poetic justice. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iPhone honored by NFB Hi. yes, that poorly researched and non objective so called review of voiceover should have been formally retracted, along with an apology, but, that did not, and probably will not, come to pass. Unfortunetly. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone honored by NFB
lol On Sep 30, 2009, at 9:10 PM, Maurice Mines wrote: stop it this this a tech list not a politcel one. using the del key. On Sep 30, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Frank Ventura wrote: Actually, Apple should have sued the NFB for slander and loss of revenue. Now wouldn't that be poetic justice. Frank -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cameron Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:19 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: iPhone honored by NFB Hi. yes, that poorly researched and non objective so called review of voiceover should have been formally retracted, along with an apology, but, that did not, and probably will not, come to pass. Unfortunetly. Cameron. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Rich Ring Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 7:15 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I believe that what you're seeing here is that they're trying to make up for the grave error they made with the Mac without in fact quite admitting they were wrong. You have to read between the lines a bit, but this is what I firmly believe. - Original Message - From: ben mustill-rose bmustillr...@gmail.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 6:34 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB I do find it rather funny that they slammed a program that ran on a device with a full sized qwerty keyboard yet there all over the iphone with its touch screen. O well - step in the right direction anyway. On 26/09/2009, Kevin Gibbs kevj...@gmail.com wrote: You have to ask the sighted friend to turn it on in preferences, I think. K. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 5:30 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Dear Chris, a friend of mine has one of these. Can you simply tell me how to turn v o on and off on his device so I can give it a try. Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 12:05 AM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB It's called voiceover and as something that makes a device accessible via speech and controls, it is voiceover, but with a different voice (not Alex) and a phone-specific set of gestures instead of keyboard controls. That said, it's included on every iPhone 3GS and the newer iPod Touch. Previous models didn't have the hardware performance to run this so there is no upgrade to get VO on the older devices. CB Jean-Philippe Rykiel wrote: Sorry for a very down-to-earth question, but does the IPhone come with V O as well? JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel - Original Message - From: Chris Blouch mailto:cblo...@aol.com To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: Re: iPhone honored by NFB Some have difficulty comprehending what is new and, by definition, not well understood. So they define the new in terms of what's known from the past, but when something is a revolution rather than an evolution the comparisons fail. Some will lodge those failures as the fault of what was being measured and dismiss it as being flawed. Others, more rarely, will correctly realize that the measurement framework has failed and reevaluate their worldview. The NFB has been measuring sharks for a long while and Apple brought in an leopard. It will take time for the definition of 'good' to be redefined. CB william lomas wrote: they can soon praise the iPhone yet slam the mac? hyppocrits -- Kind regards, BEN. email: bmustillr...@gmail.com msn: benmustillr...@hotmail.com web: http://www.bmr.me.uk (under construction) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: iPhone, my first impression
JP, There is a voice command thing that allows you to speak the number you wish to dial. You should try this before you make up your mind. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jean-Philippe Rykiel Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 6:01 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: iPhone, my first impression Dear all, The first thing I saw, sorry, heard, was a demo video on Apple's accessibility page. It was really impressive, and I already knew that mastering such a revolutionary interface could not be achieved in a day. Well, never mind, I was excited enough to start calling shop after shop in Paris to see if there was one available to try out. And so here I was, this very morning, in a phone store in Paris, my hands on this new magic toy. I was glad I had read part of the instructions before I came, and activating voice-over on the iPhone was quite easy, much to the astonishment of the vendor. I started fiddling and was soon surprised about how quickly I was able to make friend with the objects on the object. It's really fun to manipulate indeed. Unfortunately, it was impossible to take the iPhone for a walk as it was stock inside a kind of anti-theft display case and so I tried to imagine how I would use the iPhone as I'm currently using my Nokia. And that's where I think I found a limitation to this wonderful interface. Don't misunderstand me, I absolutely admire the technical prowess, but you see, the first thing I need a phone for is to phone people. With a physical keyboard, it is actually possible to dial a number while walking in the street and holding the phone in one hand, same for SMS. The problem with the iPhone is that you can't rely on tactile information at all, and I'm afraid that using voice-over for something as simple as dialling or typing text can only be slower than using a physical keyboard. So my bottom line is that the iPhone is probably a wonderful pocket computer that can be used as a phone, but I don't see it as the ideal tool for actually calling people. This sensation I want to share with you only came after 15 minutes of playing with the iPhone and I would love to know what someone who's been using it for a longer time thinks . Cheers, JPR http://myspace.com/jeanphilipperykiel --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: MacBook Pro Out Of The Box
Command F5, or Function plus Command f5 on a laptop such as a Macbook pro. -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Debra Turner Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:41 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: MacBook Pro Out Of The Box Hi All, My MacBook Pro should arrive this Friday! Will I need to get sighted assistance to turn VoiceOver on within the menus or will the option key f5 do it? Debra --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: using Mac with Blackboard
Donna, I ment to send this re my work address but ran out of time. with blackboard and the other system your using, try using IE 8 in compatibility mode. that is what Blackboard is suggesting currently for the problems being experienced. cheers Simon F -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Goodin Sent: Tuesday, 29 September 2009 1:43 a.m. To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: using Mac with Blackboard Hello all, I realize this is probably a long-shot, but I'm wondering if there is anyone on this list using Blackboard on their Mac, preferably from the faculty side. The problems I am having are in the gradebook. I can see all the columns for each item needing grading, but can't tell which column corresponds to which item. So, for example, I cannot find a way to figure out whether the column I am on is for the test they just took--worth one point total--or for an assignment they turned in last week, worth a very different point total. It does not seem to matter at all, whether I'm in DOM or groups mode, actually, the page looks very similar whichever mode I set it to. Appreciate any help anyone can offer. Best, Donna --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: Please advise about accessible statistics software
Hi. I know only of windows based aplication here. But would dearly love to hear of anything suited for mac. But for windows both spss for windows and sas apps works reasonably welll with jfw. I used to use spss some years back and it worked fine with jaws. There might be other packages as well that are more specific in certain statistical procedures and methods, that depends of what you want and are looking for. Kind regards, Jesper. - Original Message - From: Bejarano, Rafael P. beja...@hsu.edu To: Macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:25 AM Subject: Please advise about accessible statistics software Hello everyone, I need an accessible statistics software package, if not for the Mac, then for Windows. Can anyone on this list suggest such an application? If there is an accessible stats app out there, and it is a Windows app, what screen reader would be able to access it? Thanks very much for your assistance in this matter, and my apologies to anyone who deems this question inappropriate, given the bit about Windows. Cordially, Rafael Bejarano --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
RE: A Question for Audio Hijack Pro Users
Shane's podcast is an excellent tutorial for those wishing to learn the finer points of Audio Hijack Pro. Thank you Esther. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 9:21 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: A Question for Audio Hijack Pro Users Hi Mark, Have you listened to Shane Jackson's podcast on Audio Hijack Pro? You can find this at his BlindWorld Blog entry: http://blindworldblog.blogspot.com/2008/06/small-review-of-audio-hijack-pro. html The direct link to the mp3 file is: http://www.shanejackson.net/Audio_Hijack_Demo.mp3 That might answer some of your questions. Cheers, Esther M. Taylor wrote: Hello, I recently downloaded Audio Hijack Pro for recording Skype calls. Is there anyone who would be willing to discuss some of the finer points of how to use this application? We could discuss it via Skype or telephone. I've almost got it but I have one or two questions that would take a novel to write; so I request voice communication. If so, please let me know. If anyone has a recommendation other than Skype, I will consider it. One of the reason why I chose Audio Hijack Pro is because, apparently, one can record Mixj-Minus with it. That is, the imcoming signal can be recorded on one track while the outgoing signal is recorded on the second track. Thank you, Mark --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
template for sending voice over info to dvelopers
Hi list, I've just tried the application called DJ version 3 and found that apart from the lists on both sides of the mixer, things are not very accessible. I would like to contact the developer to show them about voice over. Can anyone send me the template that was edited a while back with some links to voice over docs for developers? Thanks, and best UYuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
8 bit sequencer for iphone
Hi lists, I was wondering if anyone tried the 8bit sequencer for the iphone, and if its accessible. I think this can be an incredible toy for us, and hope seriously and getting on my knees that it works with VO, or that labels are there. Thanks, and best Yuma --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
