Obtaining the Acapella voices for iPhone 4?

[James Malone]

Hi guys. Is there any way I can just get these voices outiright without buying 
any other apps? if so, how to I get it?
Regards,
James.

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Re: Safari frusterations!

[carlene knight]

Do you use Dom or Groups Mode?  I use Dom.  I interact, but  I'm sure I'm doing 
something wrong because I see a list of  questions, and then the radio buttons, 
after them.  I use Vo/left and right arrows.  I do remember one that did work 
correctly for some reason, www.jobdango.com.  It's our local job search site.  
It's been about the only one I've had luck with.  thanks.

n
On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> That's interesting, I've never had this issue with radio buttons, just used 
> some of those a few minutes ago.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 6:26 PM, carlene knight wrote:
> 
>> The regular Google page doesn't work quite right as Voiceover keeps 
>> restarting, but the accessible Google site and the sttpgoogle sight work 
>> fine.  I have problems with radio buttons though if I am trying to fill out 
>> a form.  That's my biggest bugaboo with Safari.
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> Google works fine here, that site that ses the mouse over stuff is doable, 
>>> but you have to root the mouse to the element, then read with the VO keys 
>>> to see whathas changed, the best solution here is to email the web master 
>>> and ask them to use something more accessible, using mouse over events can 
>>> cause problems for any screen reader.
>>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
>>> 
 Hello everyone,
I am working on a Mac book pro in win 7.  Unfortunately I keep
 finding myself having to do this.  Part is my inability to completely grasp
 voice over in a really efficient way.  However I feel to a larger part I
 cannot get the functionality that I find necearry to complete my work and
 university assignments.  For example last night I was searching for
 information on a pelit stove that I am working on.  I found a good and very
 informative site, however the mouse over functions were completely crazy.
 Nothing was folloing a sequence that I could replicate, finally just by
 clicking on every mouse over on the page all of the information was
 displayed.  I went into windows and discovered that the site was solid.
 This is only one event.  I very frequently find that this is occurring even
 in google of all places.  Many times the heading hot key does not function
 properly.  Can you tell me if you guys are running into similar
 frustrations?  I find similar troubles with the need for a good word
 processor and spreadsheet application.  I will not go into details right
 now, but I too am questioning how long before we can expect a bit more
 stability and a solid tool for productivity?  I love the sleek design and
 form factor in the mac, however I am not seeing the craze and mysticism 
 that
 many folks are embuing the machines with.  I have found the hardware just 
 as
 pron to wear and tare and failer as on a PC.  I will stop my rant and I
 really appoligize if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my
 intentions.  I just want a bit of a reality check.
 Sincerely,
 Scott
 
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Re: reading and writing to NTFS partitions

[Sarah Alawami]

Yes you  do and no you don't have to run 1 or the other. they both sit in 
system prefs and you just forget about them. I had a blog article in my 
bookmarks I think but I think I deleted it.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 8:00 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> Is there a particular advantage to having both applications? Do they require 
> one another? Would I have to run them before connecting/writing to the hard 
> drive? I appreciate the pointers.
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
>  
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:58 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: reading and writing to NTFS partitions
>  
> hello. google macfuse and ntfs3g. both free apps and both will let you read 
> and rite to ntfs.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello allJ
>  
> I recently acquired an external hard drive I wish to use for 
> backing up my old laptop. Furthermore, as I will be using Windows 
> occasionally as my transition into the Mac world progresses, I would like to 
> use it as a central location for storing things that I may use on both 
> computers (music, class notes, essays, books, pipe rench manuals, the 
> Geologic Podcast, etc.). Formatting this hard drive in the HFS+ (journaled) 
> format doesn’t work at all for Windows. I know that Mac’s can interact with 
> hard drives formatted to NTFS in a read-only state, yet can’t write to them. 
> I further understand that there is some program which changes this. What 
> would be the monetary expenditure (if any) required for the procurement of 
> such a program—and, upon acquiring the program, are there any special 
> instructions that accompany it (NTFS-3g) or is the use of that program 
> straight forward and transparent to the operating system? Any help would be 
> greedily received and the person giving it indiscriminately unacknowledged 
> and cruely dismissed…
> Just joking, it’s just that the phrase “greatly appreciated” is overused and 
> is beginning to sound tired and bland. Although any help would be received 
> with humble gratitude (too cheesy)?
> I would appreciate any advice on this matter and apologize if this topic has 
> already been covered; due to the enormous amount of messages this list 
> generates, I tend to move them all to another folder and searching them can 
> be tiresome.
> Sincerely,
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
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Re: help with a website please

[Sarah Alawami]

I'm having no problems thus far. There is a long jpeg labeled button you need 
to hit after you hit the zipcode or address. That's as far as I got but 
hopefully that sort of helps.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Carolyn Haas 
>> Date: October 3, 2010 7:47:21 PM MDT
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: help with a website please
>> 
>> Hi guys:
>> I've been trying to work with a website, to sign in, view weekly ads, etc.  
>> I am getting all of nowhere, and it's a site I normally peruse with JFW and 
>> my old kDell.  I want to use the mac, but can't get anything to behave 
>> properly.  If anyone likes a challenge, could you please check out 
>> kingsoopers.com?  See if you can view weekly ads, create account, or sign 
>> in.  I've tried using group mode, and then Dom mode, tried working from 
>> trackpad or from keyboard.  I'm pretty much clueless why this site is so 
>> confounded or how to best work with it.  
>> Any help would be much appreciated.  I can be reached at 
>> sourceho...@gmail.com
>> 
>> Thanks for reading.And to anyone who can be of help you'll be my BFF, 
>> (stolen from my daughter:)
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Carolyn
> 
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RE: reading and writing to NTFS partitions

[Robert Hooper]

Is there a particular advantage to having both applications? Do they require 
one another? Would I have to run them before connecting/writing to the hard 
drive? I appreciate the pointers.
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu


From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Sarah Alawami
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 10:58 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: reading and writing to NTFS partitions

hello. google macfuse and ntfs3g. both free apps and both will let you read and 
rite to ntfs.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:


Hello all:)

I recently acquired an external hard drive I wish to use for 
backing up my old laptop. Furthermore, as I will be using Windows occasionally 
as my transition into the Mac world progresses, I would like to use it as a 
central location for storing things that I may use on both computers (music, 
class notes, essays, books, pipe rench manuals, the Geologic Podcast, etc.). 
Formatting this hard drive in the HFS+ (journaled) format doesn't work at all 
for Windows. I know that Mac's can interact with hard drives formatted to NTFS 
in a read-only state, yet can't write to them. I further understand that there 
is some program which changes this. What would be the monetary expenditure (if 
any) required for the procurement of such a program-and, upon acquiring the 
program, are there any special instructions that accompany it (NTFS-3g) or is 
the use of that program straight forward and transparent to the operating 
system? Any help would be greedily received and the person giving it 
indiscriminately unacknowledged and cruely dismissed...
Just joking, it's just that the phrase "greatly appreciated" is overused and is 
beginning to sound tired and bland. Although any help would be received with 
humble gratitude (too cheesy)?
I would appreciate any advice on this matter and apologize if this topic has 
already been covered; due to the enormous amount of messages this list 
generates, I tend to move them all to another folder and searching them can be 
tiresome.
Sincerely,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu

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Re: reading and writing to NTFS partitions

[Sarah Alawami]

hello. google macfuse and ntfs3g. both free apps and both will let you read and 
rite to ntfs.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:23 PM, Robert Hooper wrote:

> Hello allJ
>  
> I recently acquired an external hard drive I wish to use for 
> backing up my old laptop. Furthermore, as I will be using Windows 
> occasionally as my transition into the Mac world progresses, I would like to 
> use it as a central location for storing things that I may use on both 
> computers (music, class notes, essays, books, pipe rench manuals, the 
> Geologic Podcast, etc.). Formatting this hard drive in the HFS+ (journaled) 
> format doesn’t work at all for Windows. I know that Mac’s can interact with 
> hard drives formatted to NTFS in a read-only state, yet can’t write to them. 
> I further understand that there is some program which changes this. What 
> would be the monetary expenditure (if any) required for the procurement of 
> such a program—and, upon acquiring the program, are there any special 
> instructions that accompany it (NTFS-3g) or is the use of that program 
> straight forward and transparent to the operating system? Any help would be 
> greedily received and the person giving it indiscriminately unacknowledged 
> and cruely dismissed…
> Just joking, it’s just that the phrase “greatly appreciated” is overused and 
> is beginning to sound tired and bland. Although any help would be received 
> with humble gratitude (too cheesy)?
> I would appreciate any advice on this matter and apologize if this topic has 
> already been covered; due to the enormous amount of messages this list 
> generates, I tend to move them all to another folder and searching them can 
> be tiresome.
> Sincerely,
> Robert Hooper
> hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah Yeah I use the wet spot thing. I keep forgeting about the option like that.

Thanks. I'll also keep that in mind.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:43 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Blake,
> No, for what you want to do, skip over a bunch of links and get to the next 
> line or block of text, try the control, option command plus p that somebody 
> suggested earlier. That should take you to the next text that isn't a link on 
> your webpage.
> 
> Mary
> Mary Otten
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Mary Otten]

Hi Blake,
No, for what you want to do, skip over a bunch of links and get to the next 
line or block of text, try the control, option command plus p that somebody 
suggested earlier. That should take you to the next text that isn't a link on 
your webpage.

Mary
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reading and writing to NTFS partitions

[Robert Hooper]

Hello all:)

I recently acquired an external hard drive I wish to use for 
backing up my old laptop. Furthermore, as I will be using Windows occasionally 
as my transition into the Mac world progresses, I would like to use it as a 
central location for storing things that I may use on both computers (music, 
class notes, essays, books, pipe rench manuals, the Geologic Podcast, etc.). 
Formatting this hard drive in the HFS+ (journaled) format doesn't work at all 
for Windows. I know that Mac's can interact with hard drives formatted to NTFS 
in a read-only state, yet can't write to them. I further understand that there 
is some program which changes this. What would be the monetary expenditure (if 
any) required for the procurement of such a program-and, upon acquiring the 
program, are there any special instructions that accompany it (NTFS-3g) or is 
the use of that program straight forward and transparent to the operating 
system? Any help would be greedily received and the person giving it 
indiscriminately unacknowledged and cruely dismissed...
Just joking, it's just that the phrase "greatly appreciated" is overused and is 
beginning to sound tired and bland. Although any help would be received with 
humble gratitude (too cheesy)?
I would appreciate any advice on this matter and apologize if this topic has 
already been covered; due to the enormous amount of messages this list 
generates, I tend to move them all to another folder and searching them can be 
tiresome.
Sincerely,
Robert Hooper
hooper...@buckeyemail.osu.edu

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Fwd: help with a website please

[Carolyn Haas]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Carolyn Haas 
> Date: October 3, 2010 7:47:21 PM MDT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: help with a website please
> 
> Hi guys:
> I've been trying to work with a website, to sign in, view weekly ads, etc.  I 
> am getting all of nowhere, and it's a site I normally peruse with JFW and my 
> old kDell.  I want to use the mac, but can't get anything to behave properly. 
>  If anyone likes a challenge, could you please check out kingsoopers.com?  
> See if you can view weekly ads, create account, or sign in.  I've tried using 
> group mode, and then Dom mode, tried working from trackpad or from keyboard.  
> I'm pretty much clueless why this site is so confounded or how to best work 
> with it.  
> Any help would be much appreciated.  I can be reached at sourceho...@gmail.com
> 
> Thanks for reading.And to anyone who can be of help you'll be my BFF, (stolen 
> from my daughter:)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Carolyn

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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Sarah Alawami]

No just hit vo cmd n. that hsould work.

Take care.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:00 PM, Blake Hardin wrote:

> Hi, yeah im just talking about being on the web. Say for example i
> want to  skip past all the links to the next block of text your saying
> i can't do that? So i have to go through all the links and stuff to
> find the next line of text? This would be helpfull when reading a
> forum or something or comments on youtube videos
> 
> On 10/3/10, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
>> There is no way to move forward and back a line at a time when doing a
>> continuous read. I thought you meant that when you stop reading, your cursor
>> is close to the last thing spoken. That wrks in a word processor if you
>> interact with the text first. On the web, there really is no concept of
>> lines the way the windows screen readers think of them, you move by item.
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> 
>>> Mike,
>>> I just tried what I understood you to say would work with voice over and
>>> it did not. That is, while interacting with a block of text I did a vo
>>> plus a to start reading, then I hit first the right arrow key, which
>>> stopped speech, then the restart of the continuous read followed by down
>>> arrow, which also stopped speech. So I am apparently not understanding
>>> what it is you say you can do with VO while interacting with a block of
>>> text, that resembles the results you get while doing a continuous read
>>> with aWindows screen reader, where it is possible to move forward or back
>>> a line and not have to restart the continuous reading.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> Mary Otten
>>> motte...@gmail.com
>>> 
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Blake Hardin]

Hi, yeah im just talking about being on the web. Say for example i
want to  skip past all the links to the next block of text your saying
i can't do that? So i have to go through all the links and stuff to
find the next line of text? This would be helpfull when reading a
forum or something or comments on youtube videos

On 10/3/10, Mike Arrigo  wrote:
> There is no way to move forward and back a line at a time when doing a
> continuous read. I thought you meant that when you stop reading, your cursor
> is close to the last thing spoken. That wrks in a word processor if you
> interact with the text first. On the web, there really is no concept of
> lines the way the windows screen readers think of them, you move by item.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>> I just tried what I understood you to say would work with voice over and
>> it did not. That is, while interacting with a block of text I did a vo
>> plus a to start reading, then I hit first the right arrow key, which
>> stopped speech, then the restart of the continuous read followed by down
>> arrow, which also stopped speech. So I am apparently not understanding
>> what it is you say you can do with VO while interacting with a block of
>> text, that resembles the results you get while doing a continuous read
>> with aWindows screen reader, where it is possible to move forward or back
>> a line and not have to restart the continuous reading.
>> Mary
>>
>> Mary Otten
>> motte...@gmail.com
>>
>>
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Re: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi Mike,

I actually meant to send this to another list, but thanks for the response.  
And sorry to everyone else for the OT post.
Donna
On Oct 3, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> You need to find out what the default ip address is fr the router, different 
> routers have different default ip addresses. Google should be able to help 
> here. Once you know the address, enter that in your browser and it should 
> work.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Our linksys router broke this week, so we just replaced it with a D-Link 
>> extreme.  But we're having a problem in that our network settings don't seem 
>> to be sticking.  How does one go into the network settings for a D-link 
>> router, the old httP;//192.168.1.1 doesn't seem to work in this case.
>> Thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: java in safari on or off for different sites

[Mike Arrigo]

You should not have to disable java for pages to work, this could indicate a 
problem with something else. Are you talking about java itself or java script, 
they are 2 different things. Many pages use java script, but very few pages 
that I know of actually use java, as in a java application.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I have a strange problem with Java in Safari.
> On some pages I need to have java enabled in order to use the page.
> However if Java is enabled I have other pages that will not work, Safari just 
> seems to try to load the page without success.
> the problem on these pages is solved by disabling java.
> Is there a java setting I can change to make java work on all sites, or a way 
> to enable java on specific sites?
> 
> I have no English language pages where I have the problem with java enabled, 
> and other Danish users have no problems on the pages that I cannot access 
> with java enabled, very strange!
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Re: Safari frusterations!

[Mike Arrigo]

That's interesting, I've never had this issue with radio buttons, just used 
some of those a few minutes ago.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 6:26 PM, carlene knight wrote:

> The regular Google page doesn't work quite right as Voiceover keeps 
> restarting, but the accessible Google site and the sttpgoogle sight work 
> fine.  I have problems with radio buttons though if I am trying to fill out a 
> form.  That's my biggest bugaboo with Safari.
> 
> 
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Google works fine here, that site that ses the mouse over stuff is doable, 
>> but you have to root the mouse to the element, then read with the VO keys to 
>> see whathas changed, the best solution here is to email the web master and 
>> ask them to use something more accessible, using mouse over events can cause 
>> problems for any screen reader.
>> On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello everyone,
>>> I am working on a Mac book pro in win 7.  Unfortunately I keep
>>> finding myself having to do this.  Part is my inability to completely grasp
>>> voice over in a really efficient way.  However I feel to a larger part I
>>> cannot get the functionality that I find necearry to complete my work and
>>> university assignments.  For example last night I was searching for
>>> information on a pelit stove that I am working on.  I found a good and very
>>> informative site, however the mouse over functions were completely crazy.
>>> Nothing was folloing a sequence that I could replicate, finally just by
>>> clicking on every mouse over on the page all of the information was
>>> displayed.  I went into windows and discovered that the site was solid.
>>> This is only one event.  I very frequently find that this is occurring even
>>> in google of all places.  Many times the heading hot key does not function
>>> properly.  Can you tell me if you guys are running into similar
>>> frustrations?  I find similar troubles with the need for a good word
>>> processor and spreadsheet application.  I will not go into details right
>>> now, but I too am questioning how long before we can expect a bit more
>>> stability and a solid tool for productivity?  I love the sleek design and
>>> form factor in the mac, however I am not seeing the craze and mysticism that
>>> many folks are embuing the machines with.  I have found the hardware just as
>>> pron to wear and tare and failer as on a PC.  I will stop my rant and I
>>> really appoligize if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my
>>> intentions.  I just want a bit of a reality check.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Scott
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Re: #ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?

[Mike Arrigo]

You need to find out what the default ip address is fr the router, different 
routers have different default ip addresses. Google should be able to help 
here. Once you know the address, enter that in your browser and it should work.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:23 PM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Our linksys router broke this week, so we just replaced it with a D-Link 
> extreme.  But we're having a problem in that our network settings don't seem 
> to be sticking.  How does one go into the network settings for a D-link 
> router, the old httP;//192.168.1.1 doesn't seem to work in this case.
> Thanks,
> Donna
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Re: help with navigation in html tables

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Usually, once in the table, you use the VO left, right, up and down keys to 
move in the expected direction. There is a voice over setting that determines 
whether you need to interact with a table, usually you would want that disabled.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Claus Thøgersen wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to use some of my favorit webforums with voiceover.
> 
> On the forums I read, each forum and the threads are in a table. This means
> that I need a way to move around in a table both horizontally and
> vertically. the manual is not very specific on how to do this, so I need
> some more information.
> I have tried interacting with the table but I cannot
> see any advantages by doing it.
> 
> For an example of a forum see
> http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1076
> 
> 
> Here it would be nice to be able to move down in the collum with  each new 
> topic.
> 
> 
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

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There is no way to move forward and back a line at a time when doing a 
continuous read. I thought you meant that when you stop reading, your cursor is 
close to the last thing spoken. That wrks in a word processor if you interact 
with the text first. On the web, there really is no concept of lines the way 
the windows screen readers think of them, you move by item.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Mike,
> I just tried what I understood you to say would work with voice over and it 
> did not. That is, while interacting with a block of text I did a vo plus a to 
> start reading, then I hit first the right arrow key, which stopped speech, 
> then the restart of the continuous read followed by down arrow, which also 
> stopped speech. So I am apparently not understanding what it is you say you 
> can do with VO while interacting with a block of text, that resembles the 
> results you get while doing a continuous read with aWindows screen reader, 
> where it is possible to move forward or back a line and not have to restart 
> the continuous reading.
> Mary
> 
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Re: voiceover manual for IOS4?

[Esther]

Hi Erik,

There are two places to check for a manual on the iPod Touch.  First,  
there should be an iPod Touch User's Guide listed under the Safari  
bookmarks of your iPod Touch.  If you synched your bookmarks and  
overrode the default definitions you can add the URL:

http://help.apple.com/ipodtouch/
to your bookmarked locations (you only need to type in "help.apple.com/ 
ipodtouch/" and this address only works from an iPhone or iPod Touch.   
Anywhere else (on an iPad, or on your computer), you'll be taken to  
the Apple Support pages where you can find some link to a PDF version  
of the user guides.


The more useful accessible HTML version of the iPhone User Guide (that  
you can access from anywhere) is at:

http://help.apple.com/iphone/4/voiceover/
(There's no special accessible HTML version for just the parts that  
works for the iPod Touch)


Also, note the AppleVis web site for more information:
http://applevis.com/

A nice summary of the iOS 4 Apple Keyboard shortcuts may be found at:
http://www.hllf.net/70
if you use a Bluetooth keyboard with your iPod Touch.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 3, 2010, erik burggraaf wrote:

OK guys,  I've got my first ipod touch here.  I can navigate around  
the screen, open apps and folders, sort of type on the slide type  
keyboard and so on.  Not bad for an hour or two fiddling, but I need  
a manual or something, even if it stinks like the voiceover manual  
for Mac OS 10.6.  Anybody know where I can get this?


Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or  
in person,

1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com



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java in safari on or off for different sites

[Claus Thøgersen]

Hi,

I have a strange problem with Java in Safari.
On some pages I need to have java enabled in order to use the page.
However if Java is enabled I have other pages that will not work, Safari 
just seems to try to load the page without success.

the problem on these pages is solved by disabling java.
Is there a java setting I can change to make java work on all sites, or a 
way to enable java on specific sites?


I have no English language pages where I have the problem with java enabled, 
and other Danish users have no problems on the pages that I cannot access 
with java enabled, very strange!


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Adium has new window

[patricia solis]

Hello,
Adium keeps saying Adium has a new window. How do I open this new window?
thanks Patricia

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Washington Post articles?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

I am currently having problems in both webkit and Safari with the Washington 
Post web site.

from http://washingtonpost.com 
I click on "Metro" and then "Virginia POlitics"

The site which I believe is 
voices.washingtonpost.com/VirginiaPolitics never fully load.  Before reporting 
this to Apple and/or Washington Post, could somebody else see if this site 
works for them?

I had no issues earlier this week, but I have changed a couple of settings 
within my Post login.  So I am curious if it is the site in general or my 
changes.

Best regards,

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Re: Safari frusterations!

[carlene knight]

The regular Google page doesn't work quite right as Voiceover keeps restarting, 
but the accessible Google site and the sttpgoogle sight work fine.  I have 
problems with radio buttons though if I am trying to fill out a form.  That's 
my biggest bugaboo with Safari.


On Oct 2, 2010, at 6:24 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Google works fine here, that site that ses the mouse over stuff is doable, 
> but you have to root the mouse to the element, then read with the VO keys to 
> see whathas changed, the best solution here is to email the web master and 
> ask them to use something more accessible, using mouse over events can cause 
> problems for any screen reader.
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:02 AM, Scott Ford wrote:
> 
>> Hello everyone,
>>  I am working on a Mac book pro in win 7.  Unfortunately I keep
>> finding myself having to do this.  Part is my inability to completely grasp
>> voice over in a really efficient way.  However I feel to a larger part I
>> cannot get the functionality that I find necearry to complete my work and
>> university assignments.  For example last night I was searching for
>> information on a pelit stove that I am working on.  I found a good and very
>> informative site, however the mouse over functions were completely crazy.
>> Nothing was folloing a sequence that I could replicate, finally just by
>> clicking on every mouse over on the page all of the information was
>> displayed.  I went into windows and discovered that the site was solid.
>> This is only one event.  I very frequently find that this is occurring even
>> in google of all places.  Many times the heading hot key does not function
>> properly.  Can you tell me if you guys are running into similar
>> frustrations?  I find similar troubles with the need for a good word
>> processor and spreadsheet application.  I will not go into details right
>> now, but I too am questioning how long before we can expect a bit more
>> stability and a solid tool for productivity?  I love the sleek design and
>> form factor in the mac, however I am not seeing the craze and mysticism that
>> many folks are embuing the machines with.  I have found the hardware just as
>> pron to wear and tare and failer as on a PC.  I will stop my rant and I
>> really appoligize if I have offended anyone, that was certainly not my
>> intentions.  I just want a bit of a reality check.
>> Sincerely,
>> Scott
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Sarah Alawami]

Ah yeah I get confused half the time. lol!

Thanks.

S
On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:17 PM, Jonathan Cohn wrote:

> command-space can mean a few things:
> 
> 1. Do a general search in spotlight. (this is what you are thinking of)
> 2. Switch keyboard internationalization
> 3. run launcher  app if present.
> For this reason, and also because one can not directly navigate to
> options to customize the search I recommended the finder method.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> On 03/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
>> I thought that cmd option space also brings up the search but I could be
>> mixing it up with something else. I don't use it all that often.
>> 
>> take care.
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Louie,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan's answer works (sorry, I was interrupted in typing my answer; I
>>> checked there wasn't a reply before I started).  The only thing I would
>>> add is that you might want to navigate to the hard drive (or folder on the
>>> hard drive) that you want to limit your search to between steps 2 and 3.
>>> If you start at a specific location before you do your search with
>>> Command+F (which works as does Command+Option+F), one of the options to
>>> refine the search will let you select just that location.  HTH.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2010, at Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>> 
 Quick and simple.
 
 In finder:
 1. command-N (new window)
 2. command-shift-C (View computer)
 3. command-F (search)
 
 Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
 check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
 the search to the selected item.
 
 Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Jon
 
 
 On 03/10/2010, louie  wrote:
> Hi all,
> I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
> I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
> How do I do the search?
> Thanks for any info.
> 
> louie
> louiem...@wavecable.com
> 
> 
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Jonathan Cohn]

command-space can mean a few things:

1. Do a general search in spotlight. (this is what you are thinking of)
2. Switch keyboard internationalization
3. run launcher  app if present.
For this reason, and also because one can not directly navigate to
options to customize the search I recommended the finder method.

Jon


On 03/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> I thought that cmd option space also brings up the search but I could be
> mixing it up with something else. I don't use it all that often.
>
> take care.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Esther wrote:
>
>> Hi Louie,
>>
>> Jonathan's answer works (sorry, I was interrupted in typing my answer; I
>> checked there wasn't a reply before I started).  The only thing I would
>> add is that you might want to navigate to the hard drive (or folder on the
>> hard drive) that you want to limit your search to between steps 2 and 3.
>> If you start at a specific location before you do your search with
>> Command+F (which works as does Command+Option+F), one of the options to
>> refine the search will let you select just that location.  HTH.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Esther
>>
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at Jonathan Cohn wrote:
>>
>>> Quick and simple.
>>>
>>> In finder:
>>> 1. command-N (new window)
>>> 2. command-shift-C (View computer)
>>> 3. command-F (search)
>>>
>>> Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
>>> check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
>>> the search to the selected item.
>>>
>>> Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Jon
>>>
>>>
>>> On 03/10/2010, louie  wrote:
 Hi all,
 I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
 I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
 How do I do the search?
 Thanks for any info.

 louie
 louiem...@wavecable.com



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Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Donna Goodin]

Thanks, scott.  I'll give it a try.
Donna
On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

> Donn,a
> 
> There is a demo and yes the Express is the version you would demo and 
> purchase. You can use Image Capture to grab the image from the scanner and 
> ABBYY to convert the image into something useful. Some scanners are supported 
> directly by ABBYY, but it must be one with a twain interface as I recall. I 
> just purchased ABBYY and it works very nicely with my HP Laser printer that 
> is an all-in-one, CM2320NF.
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
>> scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for the 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of 
>> the reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on 
>> their site that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one 
>> accessible?  Also can I do both the scanning and recognition in Fine-reader? 
>>  I was just looking at an older post where Anne talks about using VueScan 
>> with Read Iris, and that looks like a headache and a half.
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Sarah Alawami]

I thought that cmd option space also brings up the search but I could be mixing 
it up with something else. I don't use it all that often.

take care.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:28 PM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Louie,
> 
> Jonathan's answer works (sorry, I was interrupted in typing my answer; I 
> checked there wasn't a reply before I started).  The only thing I would add 
> is that you might want to navigate to the hard drive (or folder on the hard 
> drive) that you want to limit your search to between steps 2 and 3.  If you 
> start at a specific location before you do your search with Command+F (which 
> works as does Command+Option+F), one of the options to refine the search will 
> let you select just that location.  HTH.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at Jonathan Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Quick and simple.
>> 
>> In finder:
>> 1. command-N (new window)
>> 2. command-shift-C (View computer)
>> 3. command-F (search)
>> 
>> Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
>> check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
>> the search to the selected item.
>> 
>> Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> 
>> Jon
>> 
>> 
>> On 03/10/2010, louie  wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
>>> I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
>>> How do I do the search?
>>> Thanks for any info.
>>> 
>>> louie
>>> louiem...@wavecable.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Esther]

Hi Louie,

Jonathan's answer works (sorry, I was interrupted in typing my answer;  
I checked there wasn't a reply before I started).  The only thing I  
would add is that you might want to navigate to the hard drive (or  
folder on the hard drive) that you want to limit your search to  
between steps 2 and 3.  If you start at a specific location before you  
do your search with Command+F (which works as does Command+Option+F),  
one of the options to refine the search will let you select just that  
location.  HTH.


Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 3, 2010, at Jonathan Cohn wrote:


Quick and simple.

In finder:
1. command-N (new window)
2. command-shift-C (View computer)
3. command-F (search)

Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
the search to the selected item.

Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.

Best regards,

Jon


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Hi all,
I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
How do I do the search?
Thanks for any info.

louie
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Re: searching a hard drive

[Esther]

Hi Louie,

How do you want to do the search?  You could do it in Terminal with  
the "find" command after moving to the a particular hard drive's  
folder (or the top level) with the "cd" command, or you could do this  
in Finder through the GUI.  As I recall, you asked about searching a  
specific folder for a file with a particular extension once before.   
You can handle searches of a specific hard drive the same way:  just  
start by navigating to either the top level of a hard drive or a  
specific folder of that hard drive in Finder.  You can do that by  
selecting the hard drive under "Devices" in the Finder sidebar, or  
using the Command+Shift+G "Go to Folder" shortcut and typing in the  
path to the mounted hard drive or specific folder under that drive  
(e.g. "/Volumes/"), or by navigating down to a  
specific attached drive from your finder window (starting from the  
shortcut to go to the top level for your computer, Command+Shift+C).
To check whether your Finder preferences are set up to display  
external disks in your sidebar; bring up your preferences in Finder  
with Command+comma and navigate to "Sidebar".  There will be a list of  
items under "Show these items in the Sidebar" with check boxes.  If  
"External Disks" is checked under the list of devices, you'll be able  
to select and navigate to your external hard drive from the Finder  
sidebar.  VO+Space on the check box entry if you want to check (or  
uncheck) this option. Even if you don't choose the convenience of  
displaying the drives in your Finder sidebar, you can always navigate  
down to a hard drive, or to a specific folder under the hard drive, by  
starting with Command+Shift+C.


Once you've selected the hard drive you want to search, use Command 
+Option+F to move to the search field and type in your search terms.   
Then VO+Right Arrow to refine your search results (e.g., whether  
matches are to "This Mac" or to your selected folder/hard drive) and  
add in any other search criteria (file type, extension, etc.)  I'm  
being sketchy here, but you can go back and read the archived post  
answer to your earlier question here for the details:


http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05636.html
(Re: searching)

Or, if you wanted to do the search from terminal, you could first  
change to the folder you want and then use the   find command with  
regular expression wild cards.  For example:


cd /Volumes/Crucial/Documents
find . -name \*.doc > temp && open -e temp

The first command changes your directory to a folder named "Documents"  
on an external drive (this is on my Crucial USB memory stick).  The  
second command finds all files with a name ending in ".doc" in that  
directory or any subdirectories of that directory, and writes the  
result to a file named "temp" that I'm using as a temporary file.   
The  two ampersands separate that command on the line with the second  
command that only gets executed when the first command successfully  
completes.  The "open -e temp"  displays matches to my search by  
opening the file named "temp" in my default editor (TextEdit).  So a  
TextEdit window pops up listing the pathnames to matching files from  
my search.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 3, 2010, louie wrote:


Hi all,
I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
How do I do the search?
Thanks for any info.

louie
louiem...@wavecable.com





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Re: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver Every body email Accessibility about Drag & drop being broken in Snow Leopard!!

[Chuck Reichel]

Hi Paul,
I use drag and drop with Leopard on the desk top and It moves files  
and folders.

So basically I confine its use to the desk top primarily.

Talk soon
On Oct 3, 2010, at 7:08 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:


Hello Chuck. In lepard, does
Drag and drop work for everything or just files? Does it work like  
the manual says it does?
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
] On Behalf Of Chuck Reichel

Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:46 AM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver Every body email  
Accessibility about Drag & drop being broken in Snow Leopard!!


Hi Sarah,
So far here is what I have received from apple about drag & droping.
It works in Leopard I know this because I use it every day on my G5.
On my Mac Pro running Snow Leopard 10.6.4 It is currently broken.  
But I have heard of some people on the list using it in various  
applications.

 i think.
as of now for my needs its whacked out!!!

Let them know @ apple about this and may be  it will get fixed  
quicker.

Below is the response from apple about drag & drop.

Good morning Chuck,

I heard back from engineering this morning and they are currently  
aware of some issues when trying to drag and drop items while using  
VoiceOver, including the behavior you described. They are currently  
looking into how the behavior can be fixed and improved, but  
unfortunately we can not provide an ETA for when the changes will be  
available. It will be released as a software update to the operating  
system once it is complete. If I hear anything further or get an ETA  
I will be sure to pass that along to you.



Sincerely,

Rhonda Hess-Beavers
Apple





On Oct 1, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:


I can't get it work at all. I read how to do it in the vo manual but  
its procedural did not work either.

On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:


Hello everyone. I would like to use the drag and drop feature to  
copy an address book card to an envelope in the envelope template of  
Pages. Does Drag and Drop work? If so, what is the procedure. If  
not, is there a keyboard work around?


Thanks so much.



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Re: searching a hard drive

[Jonathan Cohn]

Quick and simple.

In finder:
1. command-N (new window)
2. command-shift-C (View computer)
3. command-F (search)

Once you put some search items into the search screen you will find
check box options on how to search. One of these should be to limit
the search to the selected item.

Note: there is a good chance that step #1 above is not necessary.

Best regards,

Jon


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> I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
> I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
> How do I do the search?
> Thanks for any info.
>
> louie
> louiem...@wavecable.com
>
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Re: Accessible Mac compatible printers: was: Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Scott Howell]

You cannot go wrong with the HP 7600 series of OfficeJets and actually any of 
the OfficeJets are very nice. Cost a bit more than some, but good quality 
machines. Yes, I am a fan of HP printers and scanners. I have had excellent 
luck with HP over the years. I cannot recommend their computers, but the HP 
printers and scanners are well supported by Apple.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:17 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> I beeing one.  So, how bout ink jet printer all in one units?  Anybody out 
> there got any recommendations?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Ray,
> 
> Cost is relative. For me $500 on sale was a good price. THe printer runs 
> around $500 to $700 based on sales and where you acquire it. This is a bit 
> more printer than I needed; however, it is a color laser printer, fax and 
> scanner in one unit. Most features can be configured through the web 
> interface or accessed through the printer preferences on the Mac. This unit 
> will allow you to send/receive faxes from your Mac once you have installed 
> the HP software. THe reason I chose this printer is that we do not print a 
> lot of stuff. THe cartridges used in the former inkjet were drying out much 
> faster than we were using them. The laser is a dry toner and unlikely to 
> become unusable before we get our money out of it. So, we paid more on the 
> front-end, but will save over the long term. So, if you are willing to spend 
> the money, I think you would be pretty satisfied, but I also appreciate the 
> fact that not everyone has nor wants to spend that much for a machine. :)
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> So, is this
>> CM2320NF
>> very costly?  I'm sort of in need of a new printer, and, I'd like an all in 
>> one.  Can one adjust the settings on this printer with VO?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
>> 
>> E-Mail:
>> rforetjr at comcast dot net
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>> Donn,a
>> 
>> There is a demo and yes the Express is the version you would demo and 
>> purchase. You can use Image Capture to grab the image from the scanner and 
>> ABBYY to convert the image into something useful. Some scanners are 
>> supported directly by ABBYY, but it must be one with a twain interface as I 
>> recall. I just purchased ABBYY and it works very nicely with my HP Laser 
>> printer that is an all-in-one, CM2320NF.
>> 
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
>>> scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for 
>>> the Mac.
>>> 
>>> My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of 
>>> the reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on 
>>> their site that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one 
>>> accessible?  Also can I do both the scanning and recognition in 
>>> Fine-reader?  I was just looking at an older post where Anne talks about 
>>> using VueScan with Read Iris, and that looks like a headache and a half.
>>> thanks,
>>> Donna
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Re: Accessible Mac compatible printers: was: Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Scott Howell]

Hi Mary,

Just saw your note, but yes, this is a monster. Well what makes it a monster is 
the weight and size. The size in height is partially the result of the scanner 
sitting on top of the printer. Think of the scanner as being suspended over the 
output tray for the printer so you could put your hand all the way through from 
front to back. In other words, the scanner forms a bridge over the printer 
output tray. So, this adds a good six or eight inches to the height of the 
printer. It is a nice looking device. The scanner has a feeder and the control 
panel sits in front of the scanner. Below you have the printer, which is at 
least 12 inches tall and the whole unit probably weighs in at about 40 to 50 
pounds. I cannot recall the exact specs, but the toner cartridges sit in a 
slide-out drawer above the paper drawer. There are four cartridges, which make 
up the colors and one nice feature is the drum and toner are all in one unit. 
So, when it comes time to replace the toner, you pull the cartridge unit and 
recycle the entire thing. So, you get the new drum and toner in one 
self-contained unit. The printer is pretty good on consuming little power from 
what I understand and it does print very nice pictures etc. Yes, this machine 
is not cheap, but it is considered a commercial unit such as would be found in 
a business. I want to say it is rated for 3,000 pages per month or something 
along those lines. There is the 1320 I believe, which is similar, but lower 
capacity. It turns out that after a lot of consideration and checking specs, I 
would pay more for the CM2320 up front, but the cost per page would be much 
less and I would get a bit better machine for the dollar.
If I can provide any other info, let me know.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:12 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Scratch my previous message about not being able to find this hp all in one 
> when using google. I must have misunderstood Scott's previous posting of the 
> number, or it had a typo or something, because I did definitely find the 
> printer; cheapest I saw with a quick look was Office Depot for $550. and the 
> reviews all say its a monster, so I guess you need a big lot of desk real 
> estate to put it on..
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: help with navigation in html tables

[Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis]

On 3 Oct 2010, at 21:44, Claus Thøgersen wrote:
> I have tried interacting with the table but I cannot
> see any advantages by doing it.
> 
> For an example of a forum see
> http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1076
> 
> 
> Here it would be nice to be able to move down in the collum with  each new 
> topic.

Hmm, once interacting with the second table in that document, I can move up and 
down within a given column using control option up and control option down. 
(I'm using Snow Leopard and Safari 5.0.2)

Note that in this case, the table actually falls into two row groups. The first 
row group has two columns - one indicating the thread is a sticky announcement, 
the other indicating the announcement title. The second row group consists of 
normal threads, with the thread title in the third column. If you navigate 
straight down from the "Topic" column header, you end up in the sticky 
announcement column before eventually hitting the "read" indicator in the 
second row group.

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Re: help with navigation in html tables

[Jonathan Cohn]

Tables on web pages are most easily navigated when in-group navigation
mode.  When you are in group navigation mode and are in a table, then
the arrow / swipe movements move you as you would expect within the
table.  You would then have to use the interact function to work more
closely within the contents.  There are also a couple of functions on
if you want to specifically have to interact with a table to "see" its
contents.

Best wishes,

Jon


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> Hi,
>
> I am trying to use some of my favorit webforums with voiceover.
>
> On the forums I read, each forum and the threads are in a table. This means
> that I need a way to move around in a table both horizontally and
> vertically. the manual is not very specific on how to do this, so I need
> some more information.
> I have tried interacting with the table but I cannot
> see any advantages by doing it.
>
> For an example of a forum see
> http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1076
>
>
> Here it would be nice to be able to move down in the collum with  each new
> topic.
>
>
> Claus
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#ot configuring network settings with D-Link Extreme?

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Our linksys router broke this week, so we just replaced it with a D-Link 
extreme.  But we're having a problem in that our network settings don't seem to 
be sticking.  How does one go into the network settings for a D-link router, 
the old httP;//192.168.1.1 doesn't seem to work in this case.
Thanks,
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DUPLICAT POSTS was RE: prizmo?

[LaMcAs]

Hello list

I seem to be getting duplicate posts for some posts on this group - this
particular post is not duplicated but others in the thread are

HTH

Larry & Elliot GD (Guide Dog)

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Subject: Re: prizmo?

Hi.

It works very well. Prizmo have an awesome OCR. The best I've seen on a
Iphone yet.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den Oct 3, 2010 kl. 6:50 PM skrev erik burggraaf:

> Guys, I am thinking of buying prizmo and an acapella voice for IOS4.  Any
one have experience with this package?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in
person,
> 1-888-255-5194
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Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Scott Howell]

Hi Mary,

I am not sure how new the device is. Based on the DVDS that shipped with the 
device and other info I read, it seems this printer was out around 2008 or 
2009. However, I would have to dig about for the info again to find those 
resources.

On Oct 3, 2010, at 4:44 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> I saw a post a couple or so weeks ago where you mentioned your HP all in one 
> that directly works with ABBYY fine reader xpress. I went  googling for it 
> and the only hit I got was a link to your post on this list.  Is this 
> a fairly new device? I'm just trying to figure out why I had such bum luck 
> trying to search it out and look at its specs and price. 
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: Accessible Mac compatible printers: was: Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Ray Foret Jr]

I beeing one.  So, how bout ink jet printer all in one units?  Anybody out 
there got any recommendations?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
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Skype Name:
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:42 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Ray,

Cost is relative. For me $500 on sale was a good price. THe printer runs around 
$500 to $700 based on sales and where you acquire it. This is a bit more 
printer than I needed; however, it is a color laser printer, fax and scanner in 
one unit. Most features can be configured through the web interface or accessed 
through the printer preferences on the Mac. This unit will allow you to 
send/receive faxes from your Mac once you have installed the HP software. THe 
reason I chose this printer is that we do not print a lot of stuff. THe 
cartridges used in the former inkjet were drying out much faster than we were 
using them. The laser is a dry toner and unlikely to become unusable before we 
get our money out of it. So, we paid more on the front-end, but will save over 
the long term. So, if you are willing to spend the money, I think you would be 
pretty satisfied, but I also appreciate the fact that not everyone has nor 
wants to spend that much for a machine. :)

On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> So, is this
> CM2320NF
> very costly?  I'm sort of in need of a new printer, and, I'd like an all in 
> one.  Can one adjust the settings on this printer with VO?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Donn,a
> 
> There is a demo and yes the Express is the version you would demo and 
> purchase. You can use Image Capture to grab the image from the scanner and 
> ABBYY to convert the image into something useful. Some scanners are supported 
> directly by ABBYY, but it must be one with a twain interface as I recall. I 
> just purchased ABBYY and it works very nicely with my HP Laser printer that 
> is an all-in-one, CM2320NF.
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
>> scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for the 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of 
>> the reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on 
>> their site that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one 
>> accessible?  Also can I do both the scanning and recognition in Fine-reader? 
>>  I was just looking at an older post where Anne talks about using VueScan 
>> with Read Iris, and that looks like a headache and a half.
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: Accessible Mac compatible printers: was: Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Mary Otten]

Scratch my previous message about not being able to find this hp all in one 
when using google. I must have misunderstood Scott's previous posting of the 
number, or it had a typo or something, because I did definitely find the 
printer; cheapest I saw with a quick look was Office Depot for $550. and the 
reviews all say its a monster, so I guess you need a big lot of desk real 
estate to put it on..

Mary

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Re: password protecting documents

[Laura Bratton]

That worked! Thanks Dan.
Laura


Sarah Alawami wrote:
> Oh nice. yeah I need to incript a folder that has some info I don't want 
> prying eyes to get in to.
>
> Thanks. Will give this a try.
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:40 PM, Dan Eickmeier wrote:
>
> > Hi Laura, what you could do, if you wanted to password protect a document, 
> > or a set of documents, is use disk utility to created an incripted .dmg 
> > file.  Disk utility is foun under /applications/utilities.  Open it, and 
> > you'll find options under a new submenu uner hte file menu for createing 
> > disk images.  YOu can create one from a folder, or create a blank one, and 
> > put files in it as you want.
> > Hope this helps.  .
> > On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Laura Bratton wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> Is it possible to password protect documents? In MS word I could set 
> >> documents so that you have to have a password to open the document. IS 
> >> this possible with the Mac?
> >> Thanks,
> >> Laura
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Re: Safari searches

[Kimberly thurman]

Brian, also, if you VO right arrow over a couple times, you will hit an edit 
field that will let you type a google search without needing to bring up the 
google page first.  Welcome to the list.  These folks rock!  They just know 
everything there is to know about the Mac, and then some!   :)
On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:52 PM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Brian:
> Probably have this already.  But the comparable keystroke to CTL l in Windows 
> is command-l, (which would be much like using alt-l on the windows side):)
> 
> HTH
> Carolyn
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Brian Miller wrote:
> 
>> Good morning everyone,
>> 
>> This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
>> with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
>> iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
>> in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.
>> 
>> So, here is my question --
>> When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
>> you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
>> I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
>> equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
>> Leopard software.
>> 
>> Thanks so much,
>> 
>> Brian Miller
>> Alexandria, VA
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Re: Printing envelopes from the Address Book [was Re: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver]

[Esther]

Hi Sarah, Paul, and Others,

Anne's instructions in the linked archive post also tell you how to  
customize the printing for envelope size with the "layout" tab in the  
print options dialog.  So Sarah, if your printer can print the mini  
envelopes, the print option can be set up to print envelopes for that  
size. It can also customize the size and alignment of the printing  
area for the address.  And using options which Anne didn't describe,  
you can customize the font type or include a graphic instead (if, for  
example, someone has designed a logo type address as an image).  If  
your printer can't handle mini envelopes then you wouldn't be using  
the envelope template in Pages to print these addresses anyway, and  
you could switch your option from printing envelopes to printing  
labels in the print dialogue.  To read more about the label option,  
read down the Mail Archive thread with Control+N  in Safari to my  
later post about printing labels.  (People using other browsers can  
substitute "Control" with the appropriate access key for their web  
browser -- e.g., for Internet Explorer you would use Alt+N to read the  
next post in the Mail Archive thread, and Alt+P to read the previous  
post).


And if, for some reason, you want to customize your label and/or  
address print outs from Address Book (e.g., include or leave out extra  
fields that are in Address Book), you can write yourself an Automator  
workflow that will handle this.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 2, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:

I actually use the mini envelopes, the ones you can buy in bulk at  
office max. Not sure if a printer will take those especially mine  
because of the flap. I don't print many envelopes though so I might  
be wrong saying my printer will only take the 8 by 11 envelopes.


S
On Oct 2, 2010, at 3:40 AM, Esther wrote:


Hi Paul and Sarah,

Is there any reason why you don't want to just use the print dialog  
from Address Book to print envelopes? Unless you need to match a  
specific format template for Pages, I would just select an entry  
from my address book (or, if you want to print multiple envelopes,  
either select a group in your Address Book or do a general set of  
non-contiguous selections and create a group from the "File" menu  
options of Address Book's menu bar), then bring up the print dialog  
with Command+P and set the "Style" pop up button to "Envelopes".   
Anne Robertson gave step by step instructions on how to do this in  
an archived list post:
http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/ 
msg45300.html

(Re: Addressing envelopes with Voiceover)

You can also change the pop up button to print "Mailing Labels"  
instead.  I know this isn't an answer to how to use VoiceOver's  
drag and drop, but since I wouldn't use this to print envelopes  
unless the default method of printing envelopes were inadequate  
I've simply pointed you to instructions on how to print envelope  
addresses in general.  Note that if you want to choose specific  
fonts that you can also do that from the controls in the print  
dialog, so unless there is a very specific envelope template that  
you have to use in Pages, or you have custom designed envelope  
logos, etc. that can only be used in Pages I don't see why you are  
making more work for yourself.  I've changed the subject line (from  
using drag and drop to printing envelopes from address book) to  
reflect the content of this answer.  If you have another question  
that requires using VoiceOver's drag and drop, we can return to  
that subject.


HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 1, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:

I can't get it work at all. I read how to do it in the vo manual  
but its procedural did not work either.

On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

Hello everyone. I would like to use the drag and drop feature to  
copy an address book card to an envelope in the envelope template  
of Pages. Does Drag and Drop work? If so, what is the procedure.  
If not, is there a keyboard work around?


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help with navigation in html tables

[Claus Thøgersen]

Hi,

I am trying to use some of my favorit webforums with voiceover.

On the forums I read, each forum and the threads are in a table. This means
that I need a way to move around in a table both horizontally and
vertically. the manual is not very specific on how to do this, so I need
some more information.
I have tried interacting with the table but I cannot
see any advantages by doing it.

For an example of a forum see
http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1076


Here it would be nice to be able to move down in the collum with  each new 
topic.



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Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Mary Otten]

Hi Scott,
I saw a post a couple or so weeks ago where you mentioned your HP all in one 
that directly works with ABBYY fine reader xpress. I went  googling for it and 
the only hit I got was a link to your post on this list.  Is this a 
fairly new device? I'm just trying to figure out why I had such bum luck trying 
to search it out and look at its specs and price. 

Mary

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Re: Accessible Mac compatible printers: was: Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Scott Howell]

Ray,

Cost is relative. For me $500 on sale was a good price. THe printer runs around 
$500 to $700 based on sales and where you acquire it. This is a bit more 
printer than I needed; however, it is a color laser printer, fax and scanner in 
one unit. Most features can be configured through the web interface or accessed 
through the printer preferences on the Mac. This unit will allow you to 
send/receive faxes from your Mac once you have installed the HP software. THe 
reason I chose this printer is that we do not print a lot of stuff. THe 
cartridges used in the former inkjet were drying out much faster than we were 
using them. The laser is a dry toner and unlikely to become unusable before we 
get our money out of it. So, we paid more on the front-end, but will save over 
the long term. So, if you are willing to spend the money, I think you would be 
pretty satisfied, but I also appreciate the fact that not everyone has nor 
wants to spend that much for a machine. :)

On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:22 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> So, is this
> CM2320NF
> very costly?  I'm sort of in need of a new printer, and, I'd like an all in 
> one.  Can one adjust the settings on this printer with VO?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> Donn,a
> 
> There is a demo and yes the Express is the version you would demo and 
> purchase. You can use Image Capture to grab the image from the scanner and 
> ABBYY to convert the image into something useful. Some scanners are supported 
> directly by ABBYY, but it must be one with a twain interface as I recall. I 
> just purchased ABBYY and it works very nicely with my HP Laser printer that 
> is an all-in-one, CM2320NF.
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
>> scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for the 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of 
>> the reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on 
>> their site that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one 
>> accessible?  Also can I do both the scanning and recognition in Fine-reader? 
>>  I was just looking at an older post where Anne talks about using VueScan 
>> with Read Iris, and that looks like a headache and a half.
>> thanks,
>> Donna
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Re: any way to certufy mail using Apple Mail?

[Jonathan Cohn]

I am not sure of the entire process, but Apple Mail does support
S/MIME for encryption and  certification. It looks like the first step
is to import a certificate from a signing authority into keychain.  It
sounds like once that is done, Mail automatically has "sign" and
"crept" functions.  There are some discussions here:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20090914071159766

One thing I did notice is that PGP is not compliant with the Apple mail program.

Best wishes,

JOn


On 03/10/2010, Sarah Alawami  wrote:
> How do you mean certify email? I'm just a tad lost.
>
> Thanks.
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>
>> Subject line says it all.  How can one cerfify their e-mail using Apple
>> Mail?  Or, is this even an issue with Macs?
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>
>> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
>>
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Re: facebook chat

[Laura Bratton]

Great.  Thank you all for the help!
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Mary Otten]

Mike,
I just tried what I understood you to say would work with voice over and it did 
not. That is, while interacting with a block of text I did a vo plus a to start 
reading, then I hit first the right arrow key, which stopped speech, then the 
restart of the continuous read followed by down arrow, which also stopped 
speech. So I am apparently not understanding what it is you say you can do with 
VO while interacting with a block of text, that resembles the results you get 
while doing a continuous read with aWindows screen reader, where it is possible 
to move forward or back a line and not have to restart the continuous reading.
Mary
 
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Re: any way to certufy mail using Apple Mail?

[Ray Foret Jr]

I mean to incript e-mail Using e-mail certificates.


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On Oct 3, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

How do you mean certify email? I'm just a tad lost.

Thanks.
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> Subject line says it all.  How can one cerfify their e-mail using Apple Mail? 
>  Or, is this even an issue with Macs?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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searching a hard drive

[louie]

Hi all,
I have three hard drives connected to my Mac.
I wand to just search one of these hard drives not the hole Mac.
How do I do the search?
Thanks for any info.

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Re: any way to certufy mail using Apple Mail?

[Sarah Alawami]

How do you mean certify email? I'm just a tad lost.

Thanks.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:03 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Subject line says it all.  How can one cerfify their e-mail using Apple Mail? 
>  Or, is this even an issue with Macs?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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> 
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> 
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Re: prizmo?

[erik burggraaf]

Thanks,  That's reassuring.  I've only done one scan, it took my clumsy fingers 
over an hour.  How do you figure out when the focus is set properly?

Have you ever found a way to buy the acapella voices for it from a computer?  
Right now it seems they want me to go through the app on my ipod which isn't 
currently connected to WIfi, and may never be.

Thanks for any advice.

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-10-03, at 2:52 PM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> It works very well. Prizmo have an awesome OCR. The best I've seen on a 
> Iphone yet.
> Best regards
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
> http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/
> 
> Den Oct 3, 2010 kl. 6:50 PM skrev erik burggraaf:
> 
>> Guys, I am thinking of buying prizmo and an acapella voice for IOS4.  Any 
>> one have experience with this package?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,
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any way to certufy mail using Apple Mail?

[Ray Foret Jr]

Subject line says it all.  How can one cerfify their e-mail using Apple Mail?  
Or, is this even an issue with Macs?

Thanks.


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Re: Safari searches

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Brian:
Probably have this already.  But the comparable keystroke to CTL l in Windows 
is command-l, (which would be much like using alt-l on the windows side):)

HTH
Carolyn
On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:52 AM, Brian Miller wrote:

> Good morning everyone,
> 
> This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
> with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
> iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
> in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.
> 
> So, here is my question --
> When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
> you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
> I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
> equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
> Leopard software.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Brian Miller
> Alexandria, VA
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Re: Safari searches

[Sarah Alawami]

option is 2 to the left and 2 to the right of the space bar.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 11:39 AM, Brian Miller wrote:

> Thanks Ray -- which is the option key again on a MAC keyboard?  Is it the
> one immediately left of the space bar?  
> 
> Thanks,
> Brian M
> 
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:55 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Safari searches
> 
> Well, to open the address fielf in Safari, you Command+l
> 
> IF you want to actually type in to a search field, Just press VO+option+j
> and that command will pull you right in to the search box, if you're not
> already there.
> 
> No forms mode or browser mode to worry about here.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!
> 
> E-Mail:
> rforetjr at comcast dot net
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Brian Miller wrote:
> 
> Good morning everyone,
> 
> This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
> with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
> iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
> in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.
> 
> So, here is my question --
> When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
> you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
> I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
> equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
> Leopard software.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Brian Miller
> Alexandria, VA
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Re: prizmo?

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.

It works very well. Prizmo have an awesome OCR. The best I've seen on a Iphone 
yet.
Best regards
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den Oct 3, 2010 kl. 6:50 PM skrev erik burggraaf:

> Guys, I am thinking of buying prizmo and an acapella voice for IOS4.  Any one 
> have experience with this package?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
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Re: Safari searches

[Ray Foret Jr]

No.  Remember, the command key is next to the space bar.  The Option key is to 
it's left on the left side of the space bar and to the right on the right.


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On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:39 PM, Brian Miller wrote:

Thanks Ray -- which is the option key again on a MAC keyboard?  Is it the
one immediately left of the space bar?  

Thanks,
Brian M


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Safari searches

Well, to open the address fielf in Safari, you Command+l

IF you want to actually type in to a search field, Just press VO+option+j
and that command will pull you right in to the search box, if you're not
already there.

No forms mode or browser mode to worry about here.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
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On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Brian Miller wrote:

Good morning everyone,

This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.

So, here is my question --
When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
Leopard software.

Thanks so much,

Brian Miller
Alexandria, VA

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RE: Safari searches

[Brian Miller]

Thanks Ray -- which is the option key again on a MAC keyboard?  Is it the
one immediately left of the space bar?  

Thanks,
Brian M
 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2010 12:55 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Safari searches

Well, to open the address fielf in Safari, you Command+l

IF you want to actually type in to a search field, Just press VO+option+j
and that command will pull you right in to the search box, if you're not
already there.

No forms mode or browser mode to worry about here.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

E-Mail:
rforetjr at comcast dot net
Skype Name:
barefootedray

On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Brian Miller wrote:

Good morning everyone,

This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.

So, here is my question --
When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
Leopard software.

Thanks so much,

Brian Miller
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Accessible Mac compatible printers: was: Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Ray Foret Jr]

So, is this
CM2320NF
very costly?  I'm sort of in need of a new printer, and, I'd like an all in 
one.  Can one adjust the settings on this printer with VO?


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On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:05 PM, Scott Howell wrote:

Donn,a

There is a demo and yes the Express is the version you would demo and purchase. 
You can use Image Capture to grab the image from the scanner and ABBYY to 
convert the image into something useful. Some scanners are supported directly 
by ABBYY, but it must be one with a twain interface as I recall. I just 
purchased ABBYY and it works very nicely with my HP Laser printer that is an 
all-in-one, CM2320NF.

On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
> scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for the 
> Mac.
> 
> My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of the 
> reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on their 
> site that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one accessible?  
> Also can I do both the scanning and recognition in Fine-reader?  I was just 
> looking at an older post where Anne talks about using VueScan with Read Iris, 
> and that looks like a headache and a half.
> thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Scott Howell]

Donn,a

There is a demo and yes the Express is the version you would demo and purchase. 
You can use Image Capture to grab the image from the scanner and ABBYY to 
convert the image into something useful. Some scanners are supported directly 
by ABBYY, but it must be one with a twain interface as I recall. I just 
purchased ABBYY and it works very nicely with my HP Laser printer that is an 
all-in-one, CM2320NF.

On Oct 3, 2010, at 9:11 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
> scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for the 
> Mac.
> 
> My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of the 
> reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on their 
> site that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one accessible?  
> Also can I do both the scanning and recognition in Fine-reader?  I was just 
> looking at an older post where Anne talks about using VueScan with Read Iris, 
> and that looks like a headache and a half.
> thanks,
> Donna
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Re: Pdf2rtf service

[Scott Howell]

Hey thanks a lot and with that recommendation, I just have to give it a try.

Scott

On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:21 AM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi Scott,
> 
> In my original post I mentioned my first experience with this. Yes I have 
> used it and it works very well. You wouldn't even know that there was 
> something going on in the background, it just feels like textedit supports 
> pdf files directly. It's very impressive. The reason the reviews are dated is 
> because the service hasn't been updated since 2007. It's functionality is 
> complete and there is no need to update it, unless a future version of OSX 
> happens to change the API that it uses.
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> I looked at the reviews on the site and they seem dated. SO, have you used 
> this and if so, did you find that the conversion was pretty successful?
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Recently, there was a mention of something called Word Service. I went 
>> looking for it and found something even more useful on the same site. It's 
>> called pdf2rtf service. This service allows you to open pdf files in 
>> textedit. I find preview to be usable, but not always very intuitive.
>> 
>> My professor makes notes available for each lecture as powerpoint files. I 
>> export them to pdf using Keynote from the iwork suite, then I open the pdf 
>> in textedit. Now not only do I have the notes, but I can quickly insert my 
>> own notes if I hear something during the lecture that I think could be 
>> important. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in preview.
>> 
>> Here's the link for the download page. Strangely, instead of just copying 
>> the address, if I press vo-shift-m and select copy link, it actually copies 
>> the original link from the site. Must have been introduced in a recent 
>> nightly. Hopefully it's clickable.
>> 
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Re: Safari searches

[Mike Arrigo]

Command l will open the address field. You can then type in the address and 
press enter.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:52 AM, Brian Miller wrote:

> Good morning everyone,
> 
> This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
> with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
> iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
> in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.
> 
> So, here is my question --
> When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
> you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
> I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
> equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
> Leopard software.
> 
> Thanks so much,
> 
> Brian Miller
> Alexandria, VA
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Re: Pdf2rtf service

[Sarah Alawami]

Hmm I use the service I downlod that alows anything to be turned to rtf and 
then to epub but I'll give this a try. I love the fact I can turn anything in 
text edit in to a pdf just by hitting cmd p.

S
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> Hi Scott,
> 
> In my original post I mentioned my first experience with this. Yes I have 
> used it and it works very well. You wouldn't even know that there was 
> something going on in the background, it just feels like textedit supports 
> pdf files directly. It's very impressive. The reason the reviews are dated is 
> because the service hasn't been updated since 2007. It's functionality is 
> complete and there is no need to update it, unless a future version of OSX 
> happens to change the API that it uses.
> 
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
> 
> I looked at the reviews on the site and they seem dated. SO, have you used 
> this and if so, did you find that the conversion was pretty successful?
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Recently, there was a mention of something called Word Service. I went 
>> looking for it and found something even more useful on the same site. It's 
>> called pdf2rtf service. This service allows you to open pdf files in 
>> textedit. I find preview to be usable, but not always very intuitive.
>> 
>> My professor makes notes available for each lecture as powerpoint files. I 
>> export them to pdf using Keynote from the iwork suite, then I open the pdf 
>> in textedit. Now not only do I have the notes, but I can quickly insert my 
>> own notes if I hear something during the lecture that I think could be 
>> important. I'm pretty sure you can't do that in preview.
>> 
>> Here's the link for the download page. Strangely, instead of just copying 
>> the address, if I press vo-shift-m and select copy link, it actually copies 
>> the original link from the site. Must have been introduced in a recent 
>> nightly. Hopefully it's clickable.
>> 
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>> 
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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Sarah Alawami]

I don't know any code so I do need the function of browsing my home dir or what 
ever it will let you brows to upload the files.
On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:39 AM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote:

> i use cute ftp, and i'm very happy with it.  Its simple.  I never feel like I 
> don't know what I'm doing with it.  It does take longer if you have only 
> changed a few lines of code or a few files, but its a trade off I'm willing 
> to accept.  good luck, max
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
> 
>> Greetings again!  So basically, I am wondering what recommendations, if any, 
>> might be out there for FTP clients for the mac, and accessible with 
>> voiceover of course.
>> Thank you!
>> Jenny Wood
>> kc5...@gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Sarah Alawami]

Sometimes you can. but on some webpages when you interact with text you cannot 
curser via arrows so what I do is copy the whole thing to text edit and read it 
that way, I mean the whole paragraph not the webpage.

S
On Oct 3, 2010, at 8:33 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Voice over doesn't really move through lines the way a windows screen reader 
> does, here is one of those times where voice over works differently, and it's 
> good to set aside what you were used to in windows. Voice over moves item by 
> item through a web page, with links and controls, it's very similar, but for 
> text, it usually ends up moving by paragraph. Of course, if you want to read 
> a block of text more closely, you can interact with it nd read it word by 
> word or even character by character.
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:53 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> 
>> 
>> If you are talking about the ability to move down to the next line while 
>> reading continuously, then the answer is no, you can't do that with Voice 
>> Over so far as I am aware. It would be a nice thing to be able to do. Makes 
>> skimming articles sort of possible.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
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Re: Safari searches

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, to open the address fielf in Safari, you Command+l

IF you want to actually type in to a search field, Just press VO+option+j and 
that command will pull you right in to the search box, if you're not already 
there.

No forms mode or browser mode to worry about here.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

A Very Proud and Happy Mac User!!!

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Good morning everyone,

This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
in advance for your patience with my first grade like questions.

So, here is my question --
When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
Leopard software.

Thanks so much,

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prizmo?

[erik burggraaf]

Guys, I am thinking of buying prizmo and an acapella voice for IOS4.  Any one 
have experience with this package?

Thanks,

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Safari searches

[Brian Miller]

Good morning everyone,

This is my first post to this list, and I am very excited about engaging
with other blind people who are MAC users.  I just bought a MAC Mini and an
iPhone this summer, so I am slowly inching my way in to MAC-World, so thanks
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When you are in Safari, what is the quickestway to open a search field so
you can type in a web address and go to that address?  With IE on my old PC
I would simply do control "O" and an edit field opened up.  Is there an
equivalent for the MAC?  My MAC is fully up--to-date in terms of the Snow
Leopard software.

Thanks so much,

Brian Miller
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Mike Arrigo]

When doing continuous read in a word processor or similar application, you need 
to interact with the text first, then it will do what you want. On a web page, 
when doing a continuous read, it will move to the item that is being read.
On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:16 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> You can move from line to line of text, up and down a page as in a word 
> processor with the arrow keys. But you can't, as far as I am aware, start 
> continuous reading with vo plus a and then press a key to quit reading the 
> line you are on and move to the next line and have continuous reading resume 
> as you can do with Jaws and Window Eyes. Its the moving while continuous 
> reading is in progress that is the sticking point here. If I'm wrong, I'd 
> love to be enlightened, because this is a feature I miss on the Mac that's 
> been around in the Windows screen reading environment for a while now.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

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Voice over doesn't really move through lines the way a windows screen reader 
does, here is one of those times where voice over works differently, and it's 
good to set aside what you were used to in windows. Voice over moves item by 
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text, it usually ends up moving by paragraph. Of course, if you want to read a 
block of text more closely, you can interact with it nd read it word by word or 
even character by character.
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> 
> If you are talking about the ability to move down to the next line while 
> reading continuously, then the answer is no, you can't do that with Voice 
> Over so far as I am aware. It would be a nice thing to be able to do. Makes 
> skimming articles sort of possible.
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: Speaking of Safari and Google

[Mike Arrigo]

If she is still running 10.5, it's definitely worth the upgrade to 10.6, that 
will solve the problem.
On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi Genny,
> 
> I don't know what might be different in OSX10.5, but here are some things you 
> can try. This is all totally guesswork though.
> 
> I haven't seen this on google, but I have experienced other situations where 
> things that should have been clickable were not, and this trick helps 
> sometimes. While focused on the heading, try interacting with it. Since the 
> link element is inside the header element, this older voiceover may need to 
> interact with the heading to see it.
> 
> If that does not work, you could try running a nightly build of webkit. This 
> will include the newer accessibility fixes that made it into the version of 
> safari that came with OSX 10.6 and then some. Since it's a development 
> version, there's always a chance of instability but the recent builds work 
> fine for me. If it's a safari problem, this will solve it. If it's something 
> wrong with the older voiceover itself then it won't help.
> 
> The address for the nightly webkit builds is http://nightly.webkit.org
> 
> Hope you get this working.
> 
> Justin
> 
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:39 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the response.  While I am familiar with how to activate a link, 
> the problem appears to be that Safari simply doesn't seem to recognize the 
> area I need to activate as a link.  Therefore, using VO+space does nothing. I 
> don't know, seeing as how not many people are familiar with this particular 
> issue, I am beginning to wonder if it could have anything to do with the 
> version of OS I am running.  This machine has OS 10.56, which is certainly 
> not the latest and greatest.
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Re: Speaking of Safari and Google

[Mike Arrigo]

I remember in 10.5, voice over would work that way. You would interact with the 
heading to see the link. In 10.6, you can simply click the link.
On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:28 PM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> that's weird.
> mine does the same thing, but all are clickable. of course, I am using SL 
> 10.6.4.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 2, 2010, at 5:53 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
> 
>> Hi Nic,
>> 
>> Well, the odd thing is, the headers never say "link."  They do announce 
>> themselves as headings, but nothing more.  That is to say, it will say 
>> "heading level 3", followed by the name of the heading, but it's not 
>> clickible at all.
>> 
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Re: jumping to next line of text with voiceover?

[Mike Arrigo]

Try control option command p to go to the next occurance of plain text.
On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:20 PM, Blake Hardin wrote:

> Hi all, when on the web is there a way you can jump to the next line
> of text with a key like you can with jaws and windows? This would be
> very handy.
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voiceover manual for IOS4?

[erik burggraaf]

OK guys,  I've got my first ipod touch here.  I can navigate around the screen, 
open apps and folders, sort of type on the slide type keyboard and so on.  Not 
bad for an hour or two fiddling, but I need a manual or something, even if it 
stinks like the voiceover manual for Mac OS 10.6.  Anybody know where I can get 
this?

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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Scott Granados]

Unix style ftp is also included for free with the OS.


On Oct 2, 2010, at 8:45 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Transmit ftp. Not free, but fairly accessible. Also, cyberduck, which is free 
> and also reasonably accessible. 
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> On Oct 2, 2010, at 11:31 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:
> 
>> Greetings again!  So basically, I am wondering what recommendations, if any, 
>> might be out there for FTP clients for the mac, and accessible with 
>> voiceover of course.
>> Thank you!
>> Jenny Wood
>> kc5...@gmail.com
>> 
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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Jenny Wood]

Thanks, Max!  I will give it a look!

Jenny

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Re: Speaking of Safari and Google

[Jenny Wood]

Thanks for your reply, Recardo.  My goal is to upgrade, but  
unfortunately, this machine is not going to be suitable for doing so.   
I am doing what I can to save up the necessary funds for a new mac  
down the road.


Thanks!

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Re: Pdf2rtf service

[Justin Ekis]

Hi Scott,

In my original post I mentioned my first experience with this. Yes I have used 
it and it works very well. You wouldn't even know that there was something 
going on in the background, it just feels like textedit supports pdf files 
directly. It's very impressive. The reason the reviews are dated is because the 
service hasn't been updated since 2007. It's functionality is complete and 
there is no need to update it, unless a future version of OSX happens to change 
the API that it uses.


On Oct 3, 2010, at 2:35 AM, Scott Howell wrote:

I looked at the reviews on the site and they seem dated. SO, have you used this 
and if so, did you find that the conversion was pretty successful?

Thanks,
Scott

On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Recently, there was a mention of something called Word Service. I went 
> looking for it and found something even more useful on the same site. It's 
> called pdf2rtf service. This service allows you to open pdf files in 
> textedit. I find preview to be usable, but not always very intuitive.
> 
> My professor makes notes available for each lecture as powerpoint files. I 
> export them to pdf using Keynote from the iwork suite, then I open the pdf in 
> textedit. Now not only do I have the notes, but I can quickly insert my own 
> notes if I hear something during the lecture that I think could be important. 
> I'm pretty sure you can't do that in preview.
> 
> Here's the link for the download page. Strangely, instead of just copying the 
> address, if I press vo-shift-m and select copy link, it actually copies the 
> original link from the site. Must have been introduced in a recent nightly. 
> Hopefully it's clickable.
> 
> Download all our freeware apps and services here
> 
> Hope someone else finds this discovery useful.
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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Jenny Wood]

Great!  Thanks, Buddy!  I will check them both out later today!

Jenny

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Re: Use of external keypad, particularly with Fusion?

[Esther]

Hi Garry,

Try the Lenovo 33L3225 USB Numeric keypad.  This worked for me when I  
wanted to get a numeric keypad that I could use for learning the  
Numpad Commander sequences in Leopard on my Macbook, and also checked  
out correctly for my previous 12" PowerBook, and under Linux on a  
ThinkPad  as well as under Windows XP on the Windows side of that dual- 
boot machine.  See this archived post on: "Re: external numpad for the  
Mac"

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg25812.html
It links to the original post I made about the USB numeric keypad, and  
gives a direct link for purchasing this product that still works.   
(That post was made just after this list moved to Google Groups, and  
before archiving at the secondary Mail Archive site was turned on, so  
it doesn't come up easily in a search; using the Mail Archive search  
facilities typically works about 10 times faster for me than trying to  
search on the Google Groups page for this list.)


I'll also point you to Erik Burggraaf's post from a month ago on the  
KeyRemap4MacBook software linked on:

http://pqrs.org/
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg28760.html
(Fwd: mac numper pad)

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Oct 2, 2010,  Garry Turkington wrote:


Hi,

I've been working on getting both Linux and Windows 7 VMs working as I
want within Fusion.  I've of course hit the frustrations of keyboard
mappings due to the lack of a numeric keypad on the Macbook.

Though the work-arounds are probably going to be functional I can see
me getting frustrated during long sessions.  So I'm wondering if
anyone has used any USB or Bluetooth numeric keypads with a Mac?

Several are Mac compatible and though I'm pretty sure they'll work
fine for numeric entry I do wonder how well the key codes will be
interpreted if I'm simultaneously using the insert on the keypad as a
modifier along with keys on the keyboard.  Even more exciting when
considering this being passed to a VM.

Or do I just say screw it and buy a wireless keyboard that includes a
numeric keypad, though those seem harder to find.

Regards,
Garry



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Abyy Fine-Reader again

[Donna Goodin]

Hi all,

Sorry if I'm rehashing old stuff, but I'm looking at having to replace my 
scanner, so am also revisiting the question of scanning alternatives for the 
Mac.

My memory is that there is no demo for Abbyy find-reader, which is one of the 
reasons I never gave it a try.  Am I mis-remembering this?  I see on their site 
that their is a demo for the Express version, is that one accessible?  Also can 
I do both the scanning and recognition in Fine-reader?  I was just looking at 
an older post where Anne talks about using VueScan with Read Iris, and that 
looks like a headache and a half.
thanks,
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Re: facebook chat

[Chris Moore]

Facebook chat is usable but tricky, its fine if you are only chatting to one 
person, but becomes a bit of a nightmare when chatting to more than one person.

iChat can be configured to work with Facebook and works very well, or you can 
take the no hassle option and use adium, AOL Instant Messenger or Yahoo 
Messenger etc


Chris 
On 3 Oct 2010, at 02:23, Eric Oyen wrote:

> I have been unable to use chat directly, but I use al alternative client 
> called adium (http://www.adium.im/)
> it works with yahoo chat, icq, facebook, google chat and others. it is also 
> easy to setup and will even setup growl along with the client. This client is 
> also bonjour compatible. believe me, trying to get facebook chat to work with 
> voiceover is a nightmare. I highly recommend use of this third party 
> application.
> 
> -Eric
> 
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> 
>> Hi All,
>> Is Facebook chat accessible? if so how do you use it?
>> Thanks,
>> Laura 
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Re: growl

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Krister,

This is exactly what I plan to do. :) Well, or look at how to do it, anyway, 
and I hope to devote more time to this unless someone else is going to look at 
it. But it doesn't look that way.

Keep in mind that speech just changes the way the application displays 
messages, but it does not change them. I'm not sure how to make Speech do more 
than  speak just yet, as I'm not exactly sure if VoiceOver can even see the 
Growl notifications when using other display styles. I don't even believe 
VoiceOVer can, currently. Perhaps the ability to assign a hotkey might be in 
order, and given the language Growl uses, that should be possible. I am not 
quite certain on Growl's limitations, although I would assume that, even though 
there is no visuals to click it may still be possible to make Growl perform the 
action anyway.

As for changing the message you get, that isn't going to happen as they are 
application-specific and not optimized for the style you are using.

I'm not sure how much time I'll get, or even if I'll be able to get further 
with this. Hopefully, someone can pick up this project and take another, much 
closer and thorough look than I can at the moment. Growl is certainly very 
complex and requires some time.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

> Hi, 
> the main disadvantage with having Growl set to speech is that when a message 
> comes that requires interaction, such as a growl update or an added or 
> removed file from dropbox, you can't interact with the message, or can you?
> if something should be done about the speech style, it would be the 
> possibility to interact with messages that require interaction, a queue of 
> spoken events so that not everything is spoken at once and a possibility to 
> silence the speech with a key.
> /Krister
> 3 okt 2010 kl. 10.19 skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
> 
>> Hello Rafaela!
>> 
>> Growl is very much accessible. Simply switch the display style to speech and 
>> you're good to go. You can do this from with in System Preferences>Growl.
>> 
>> The way Growl handles speech is slightly odd, though, as it speaks 
>> everything at once. That means that, if you get Skype chats and three to 
>> four people typing at once, it will announce all of this as soon as it 
>> happens. This means that occasionally, more events will speak at the same 
>> time. Growl is highly customizable, however, so you can change which events 
>> you want to speak for applications that implement Growl. Skype doesn't 
>> really need Growl, though, as Skype supports its own application events 
>> except automatically speaking chats.
>> 
>> I'm currently looking at the source for Growl, so any suggestions for the 
>> Speech style would be welcome. I took it upon myself to look at this 
>> development, as not a lot of people besides visually impaired users utilize 
>> this style and no one seemed interested to develop it much further.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently in some discutions on this list I have herd a mention of growl, I 
>>> do have it installed on my mac but it interferes with skype when a new 
>>> message appears, a growl dialog will pop up and won't let me read for some 
>>> seconds. I would like to know what exactly is growl for, and if it is 
>>> useful and accessible to us, or if it is only a bother.
>>> thanks very much and any answer is appreciated,
>>> Rafaela
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Re: growl

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi Eric

The thing with VoiceOver is that the screenreader interrupts itself when new 
information is displayed. THis is extremely handy, in fact, but not in 
applications such as text-based environments like Terminal.

Growl will work with Skype. When you start Growl, you may have to relaunch for 
Skype to show up in the "Applications" tab. This is because the application 
needs to register itself with Growl, and if no registration is received, it 
will simply not work. That's in  a nutshell. I could go much more in-depth here 
as to why, but that's not that important.

You can find the Speech style in the "Display" tab. When setting this style, it 
will become your default. This means that, if you select an application to use 
with Growl in the "Application" tab and click "Configure", every time you tell 
a particular application to use the "Default style" it will do just that 
(Speech being default in this case). Default is also the standardized option 
for all applications unless you change this.


On Oct 3, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> Nicolai,
> I only just discovered growl today. I am still learning what a mac can do for 
> the blind. I didn't see a speech option on the control panel configuration 
> for growl.
> 
> I haven't figured out how to get it to work with skype either. I do like the 
> fact that it does work nicely with Adium (an all-in-one sms/im client)
> 
> I wouldn't mind an ability to read irc chats automatically. I am just not 
> sure voiceover can handle that as designed.
> 
> -Eric
> 
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hello Rafaela!
>> 
>> Growl is very much accessible. Simply switch the display style to speech and 
>> you're good to go. You can do this from with in System Preferences>Growl.
>> 
>> The way Growl handles speech is slightly odd, though, as it speaks 
>> everything at once. That means that, if you get Skype chats and three to 
>> four people typing at once, it will announce all of this as soon as it 
>> happens. This means that occasionally, more events will speak at the same 
>> time. Growl is highly customizable, however, so you can change which events 
>> you want to speak for applications that implement Growl. Skype doesn't 
>> really need Growl, though, as Skype supports its own application events 
>> except automatically speaking chats.
>> 
>> I'm currently looking at the source for Growl, so any suggestions for the 
>> Speech style would be welcome. I took it upon myself to look at this 
>> development, as not a lot of people besides visually impaired users utilize 
>> this style and no one seemed interested to develop it much further.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently in some discutions on this list I have herd a mention of growl, I 
>>> do have it installed on my mac but it interferes with skype when a new 
>>> message appears, a growl dialog will pop up and won't let me read for some 
>>> seconds. I would like to know what exactly is growl for, and if it is 
>>> useful and accessible to us, or if it is only a bother.
>>> thanks very much and any answer is appreciated,
>>> Rafaela
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RE: Printing envelopes from the Address Book [was Re: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver]

[Paul Hunt]

Thanks Esther. I'll try this. I was actually working with my Onetoone
trainer at the Apple Store and thought I would try from the template. Mail
Merge works very nicely with groups of addresses. I'll look at Anne's post.

 

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Esther
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 5:40 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Printing envelopes from the Address Book [was Re: Using Drag and
Drop in VoiceOver]

 

Hi Paul and Sarah,

 

Is there any reason why you don't want to just use the print dialog from
Address Book to print envelopes? Unless you need to match a specific format
template for Pages, I would just select an entry from my address book (or,
if you want to print multiple envelopes, either select a group in your
Address Book or do a general set of non-contiguous selections and create a
group from the "File" menu options of Address Book's menu bar), then bring
up the print dialog with Command+P and set the "Style" pop up button to
"Envelopes".  Anne Robertson gave step by step instructions on how to do
this in an archived list post:

http://www.mail-archive.com/discuss%40macvisionaries.com/msg45300.html

(Re: Addressing envelopes with Voiceover)

 

You can also change the pop up button to print "Mailing Labels" instead.  I
know this isn't an answer to how to use VoiceOver's drag and drop, but since
I wouldn't use this to print envelopes unless the default method of printing
envelopes were inadequate I've simply pointed you to instructions on how to
print envelope addresses in general.  Note that if you want to choose
specific fonts that you can also do that from the controls in the print
dialog, so unless there is a very specific envelope template that you have
to use in Pages, or you have custom designed envelope logos, etc. that can
only be used in Pages I don't see why you are making more work for yourself.
I've changed the subject line (from using drag and drop to printing
envelopes from address book) to reflect the content of this answer.  If you
have another question that requires using VoiceOver's drag and drop, we can
return to that subject.

 

HTH.  Cheers,

 

Esther

 

On Oct 1, 2010, Sarah Alawami wrote:





I can't get it work at all. I read how to do it in the vo manual but its
procedural did not work either.

On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:





Hello everyone. I would like to use the drag and drop feature to copy an
address book card to an envelope in the envelope template of Pages. Does
Drag and Drop work? If so, what is the procedure. If not, is there a
keyboard work around?

 

Thanks so much.

 

 

 

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RE: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver Every body email Accessibility about Drag & drop being broken in Snow Leopard!!

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Chuck. In lepard, does

Drag and drop work for everything or just files? Does it work like the
manual says it does?

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chuck Reichel
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 9:46 AM
To: MacVisionaries
Subject: Re: Using Drag and Drop in VoiceOver Every body email Accessibility
about Drag & drop being broken in Snow Leopard!!

 

Hi Sarah,

So far here is what I have received from apple about drag & droping.

It works in Leopard I know this because I use it every day on my G5.

On my Mac Pro running Snow Leopard 10.6.4 It is currently broken. But I have
heard of some people on the list using it in various applications.

 i think.

as of now for my needs its whacked out!!!

 

Let them know @ apple about this and may be  it will get fixed quicker.

Below is the response from apple about drag & drop.

 

Good morning Chuck,

 

I heard back from engineering this morning and they are currently aware of
some issues when trying to drag and drop items while using VoiceOver,
including the behavior you described. They are currently looking into how
the behavior can be fixed and improved, but unfortunately we can not provide
an ETA for when the changes will be available. It will be released as a
software update to the operating system once it is complete. If I hear
anything further or get an ETA I will be sure to pass that along to you.

 

 

Sincerely,

Rhonda Hess-Beavers
Apple

 

 

 

 

On Oct 1, 2010, at 6:45 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:





I can't get it work at all. I read how to do it in the vo manual but its
procedural did not work either.

On Oct 1, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:





Hello everyone. I would like to use the drag and drop feature to copy an
address book card to an envelope in the envelope template of Pages. Does
Drag and Drop work? If so, what is the procedure. If not, is there a
keyboard work around?

 

Thanks so much.

 

 

 

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RE: Pages accessibility

[Paul Hunt]

Hello Colin. I know this isn't an apple site. I sent this email to Apple and
sent a copy to the list.

 

Thanks so much.

 

 

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin M
Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 10:34 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Cc: Colin M
Subject: Re: Pages accessibility

 

Hi Paul!

Sorry mate I think you need to send this to Apple!

Unless someone on this can guide you on how to fix your problem, you need to
make Apple aware of it!

This is not an Apple site!

just a group of fellow Mac and Iphone I pad Etc. users who pass helpful info
to each other from fairly new people like me to people who have more
experience!

And use a variety of vo braille and other things!

So ask questions and if someone can help you they will try! :-]

Colin

On 2 Oct 2010, at 15:04, Paul Hunt wrote:





Hello. I am learning to use Pages. So far, I have found two accessibility
issues. First, when I use tiered numbering in a document, Voice Over doesn't
read the paragraph numbering. In order for me to see them I have to export
the document to Microsoft Word. My goal is to use Pages instead of Microsoft
Word. So can you check with the Pages team and let me know when this problem
will be addressed? Is it on their roadmap? If not, please make it happen in
the next version.

2. Tables are not accessible from within full screen view. Please make it
happen in the next version.

 

You have done a very nice job with accessibility but if you want Blind
people to take your products seriously you need to make the entire IWork
Suite accessible and do it quickly. Please do whatever you can to make this
happen.

 

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Re: Recommendations for FTP blient for the mac?

[Maxwell Ivey Jr.]

i use cute ftp, and i'm very happy with it.  Its simple.  I never feel  
like I don't know what I'm doing with it.  It does take longer if you  
have only changed a few lines of code or a few files, but its a trade  
off I'm willing to accept.  good luck, max

On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:31 PM, Jenny Wood wrote:

Greetings again!  So basically, I am wondering what recommendations,  
if any, might be out there for FTP clients for the mac, and  
accessible with voiceover of course.

Thank you!
Jenny Wood
kc5...@gmail.com



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Re: Pdf2rtf service

[Scott Howell]

I looked at the reviews on the site and they seem dated. SO, have you used this 
and if so, did you find that the conversion was pretty successful?

Thanks,
Scott

On Oct 2, 2010, at 10:55 PM, Justin Ekis wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Recently, there was a mention of something called Word Service. I went 
> looking for it and found something even more useful on the same site. It's 
> called pdf2rtf service. This service allows you to open pdf files in 
> textedit. I find preview to be usable, but not always very intuitive.
> 
> My professor makes notes available for each lecture as powerpoint files. I 
> export them to pdf using Keynote from the iwork suite, then I open the pdf in 
> textedit. Now not only do I have the notes, but I can quickly insert my own 
> notes if I hear something during the lecture that I think could be important. 
> I'm pretty sure you can't do that in preview.
> 
> Here's the link for the download page. Strangely, instead of just copying the 
> address, if I press vo-shift-m and select copy link, it actually copies the 
> original link from the site. Must have been introduced in a recent nightly. 
> Hopefully it's clickable.
> 
> Download all our freeware apps and services here
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> Hope someone else finds this discovery useful.
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Re: growl

[Rafaela Freundt]

Hi Nic,
Thanks for the tip. I changed the display option to speach and now hope it will 
work.
Cheers,
Rafaela
El 03/10/2010, a las 03:53, Krister Ekstrom escribió:

> Hi, 
> the main disadvantage with having Growl set to speech is that when a message 
> comes that requires interaction, such as a growl update or an added or 
> removed file from dropbox, you can't interact with the message, or can you?
> if something should be done about the speech style, it would be the 
> possibility to interact with messages that require interaction, a queue of 
> spoken events so that not everything is spoken at once and a possibility to 
> silence the speech with a key.
> /Krister
> 3 okt 2010 kl. 10.19 skrev Nicolai Svendsen:
> 
>> Hello Rafaela!
>> 
>> Growl is very much accessible. Simply switch the display style to speech and 
>> you're good to go. You can do this from with in System Preferences>Growl.
>> 
>> The way Growl handles speech is slightly odd, though, as it speaks 
>> everything at once. That means that, if you get Skype chats and three to 
>> four people typing at once, it will announce all of this as soon as it 
>> happens. This means that occasionally, more events will speak at the same 
>> time. Growl is highly customizable, however, so you can change which events 
>> you want to speak for applications that implement Growl. Skype doesn't 
>> really need Growl, though, as Skype supports its own application events 
>> except automatically speaking chats.
>> 
>> I'm currently looking at the source for Growl, so any suggestions for the 
>> Speech style would be welcome. I took it upon myself to look at this 
>> development, as not a lot of people besides visually impaired users utilize 
>> this style and no one seemed interested to develop it much further.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> Recently in some discutions on this list I have herd a mention of growl, I 
>>> do have it installed on my mac but it interferes with skype when a new 
>>> message appears, a growl dialog will pop up and won't let me read for some 
>>> seconds. I would like to know what exactly is growl for, and if it is 
>>> useful and accessible to us, or if it is only a bother.
>>> thanks very much and any answer is appreciated,
>>> Rafaela
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Re: growl

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi, 
the main disadvantage with having Growl set to speech is that when a message 
comes that requires interaction, such as a growl update or an added or removed 
file from dropbox, you can't interact with the message, or can you?
if something should be done about the speech style, it would be the possibility 
to interact with messages that require interaction, a queue of spoken events so 
that not everything is spoken at once and a possibility to silence the speech 
with a key.
/Krister
3 okt 2010 kl. 10.19 skrev Nicolai Svendsen:

> Hello Rafaela!
> 
> Growl is very much accessible. Simply switch the display style to speech and 
> you're good to go. You can do this from with in System Preferences>Growl.
> 
> The way Growl handles speech is slightly odd, though, as it speaks everything 
> at once. That means that, if you get Skype chats and three to four people 
> typing at once, it will announce all of this as soon as it happens. This 
> means that occasionally, more events will speak at the same time. Growl is 
> highly customizable, however, so you can change which events you want to 
> speak for applications that implement Growl. Skype doesn't really need Growl, 
> though, as Skype supports its own application events except automatically 
> speaking chats.
> 
> I'm currently looking at the source for Growl, so any suggestions for the 
> Speech style would be welcome. I took it upon myself to look at this 
> development, as not a lot of people besides visually impaired users utilize 
> this style and no one seemed interested to develop it much further.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Recently in some discutions on this list I have herd a mention of growl, I 
>> do have it installed on my mac but it interferes with skype when a new 
>> message appears, a growl dialog will pop up and won't let me read for some 
>> seconds. I would like to know what exactly is growl for, and if it is useful 
>> and accessible to us, or if it is only a bother.
>> thanks very much and any answer is appreciated,
>> Rafaela
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Re: growl

[Eric Oyen]

Nicolai,
I only just discovered growl today. I am still learning what a mac can do for 
the blind. I didn't see a speech option on the control panel configuration for 
growl.

I haven't figured out how to get it to work with skype either. I do like the 
fact that it does work nicely with Adium (an all-in-one sms/im client)

I wouldn't mind an ability to read irc chats automatically. I am just not sure 
voiceover can handle that as designed.

-Eric

On Oct 3, 2010, at 1:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hello Rafaela!
> 
> Growl is very much accessible. Simply switch the display style to speech and 
> you're good to go. You can do this from with in System Preferences>Growl.
> 
> The way Growl handles speech is slightly odd, though, as it speaks everything 
> at once. That means that, if you get Skype chats and three to four people 
> typing at once, it will announce all of this as soon as it happens. This 
> means that occasionally, more events will speak at the same time. Growl is 
> highly customizable, however, so you can change which events you want to 
> speak for applications that implement Growl. Skype doesn't really need Growl, 
> though, as Skype supports its own application events except automatically 
> speaking chats.
> 
> I'm currently looking at the source for Growl, so any suggestions for the 
> Speech style would be welcome. I took it upon myself to look at this 
> development, as not a lot of people besides visually impaired users utilize 
> this style and no one seemed interested to develop it much further.
> 
> Regards,
> Nic
> On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Recently in some discutions on this list I have herd a mention of growl, I 
>> do have it installed on my mac but it interferes with skype when a new 
>> message appears, a growl dialog will pop up and won't let me read for some 
>> seconds. I would like to know what exactly is growl for, and if it is useful 
>> and accessible to us, or if it is only a bother.
>> thanks very much and any answer is appreciated,
>> Rafaela
>> 
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Re: growl

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hello Rafaela!

Growl is very much accessible. Simply switch the display style to speech and 
you're good to go. You can do this from with in System Preferences>Growl.

The way Growl handles speech is slightly odd, though, as it speaks everything 
at once. That means that, if you get Skype chats and three to four people 
typing at once, it will announce all of this as soon as it happens. This means 
that occasionally, more events will speak at the same time. Growl is highly 
customizable, however, so you can change which events you want to speak for 
applications that implement Growl. Skype doesn't really need Growl, though, as 
Skype supports its own application events except automatically speaking chats.

I'm currently looking at the source for Growl, so any suggestions for the 
Speech style would be welcome. I took it upon myself to look at this 
development, as not a lot of people besides visually impaired users utilize 
this style and no one seemed interested to develop it much further.

Regards,
Nic
On Oct 3, 2010, at 5:40 AM, Rafaela Freundt wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Recently in some discutions on this list I have herd a mention of growl, I do 
> have it installed on my mac but it interferes with skype when a new message 
> appears, a growl dialog will pop up and won't let me read for some seconds. I 
> would like to know what exactly is growl for, and if it is useful and 
> accessible to us, or if it is only a bother.
> thanks very much and any answer is appreciated,
> Rafaela
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