Re: Any chance to get plain text with embedded tables announced by Vo correctly?

[Martin Kirchner]

Justin,

On 12.11.2010, at 06:46, Justin Ekis wrote:

> For several of my classes, the syllabus is provided in a word document. 
> Everything reads fine except for the schedule of assignments. I can open the 
> document in textedit, bean, or pages but voiceover doesn't correctly speak 
> the table with the schedule. So I was booting the virtual machine just to 
> check the schedule twice a week with jaws. Finally I realized a simple 
> solution. I let textedit save the files as web pages. Voiceover reads most of 
> these tables just fine in safari.
> 
shurely That's  a pretty good solution to read table structured documents that 
are already produced. But what about any self made ones? To edit and read such 
data using Microsoft word is a peace of cake. I think, today it's simply needed 
for the visual impaired to get any kind of information like sighted people 
does. Appl's accessibility aids for the visual impaired hav brought high 
quality reading capabilitys concerning nearly all kinds of HTML based content. 
So it simply makes me wonder how  they could forget to work on similar 
capabilitys   to get the same results within offline documents, particularly  
if those documents are produced with Works 9, the office suite that was 
developed by Apple. I'm from Germany, and some members of the local comunity of 
blind and visual impaired Mac users plans to make an inquiry   to apple's 
accessibility department. Of course it's a well known fact taht apple have to 
care for lots of different reviews and feedbacc the company recieves every day 
from all around the world. So why they should care 'bout the needs of only a 
couple of blind users? But axactly that individuals often works very hard to 
earnt their money. And that's the reason they need reliable productivity tools, 
not only talking computers that reads tons of mails but not any table 
structured syllabus.

Martin

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Re: Any chance to get plain text with embedded tables announced by Vo correctly?

[heather kd5cbl]

Hello Justin, thanks for that tidbit about reading tables in pages!  I knew 
there had to be a solution but I consider myself really knew to the mac and 
pages, just made a month today of having my mac!  Heather 


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Re: Any chance to get plain text with embedded tables announced by Vo correctly?

[Justin Ekis]

No, pages doesn't do any better about reading tables with voiceover. This is a 
constant annoyance and until recently, it caused me to start fusion much more 
than I anticipated.

For several of my classes, the syllabus is provided in a word document. 
Everything reads fine except for the schedule of assignments. I can open the 
document in textedit, bean, or pages but voiceover doesn't correctly speak the 
table with the schedule. So I was booting the virtual machine just to check the 
schedule twice a week with jaws. Finally I realized a simple solution. I let 
textedit save the files as web pages. Voiceover reads most of these tables just 
fine in safari.

 I still have a couple documents that this didn't help, but I only have to look 
at those monthly. Still, I join Martin in expressing great interest in a 
solution to this issue.

Justin

On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

Dies pages work wiht this? I would not know as I don't use the suite but maybe 
others might be able to answer your question.

Good luck.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Martin Kirchner wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> tha fact described above realy seems to be an  annoying one if you want to 
> create any plain text  with embedded tables like spreadsheed documents. Doing 
> all that wiht the MS office crab works pretty good but it doesn't at all with 
> Mac OS based editors like Textedit or Been. Any helpful idea for this?
> 
> Martin
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Re: Any chance to get plain text with embedded tables announced by Vo correctly?

[Sarah Alawami]

Dies pages work wiht this? I would not know as I don't use the suite but maybe 
others might be able to answer your question.

Good luck.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:04 PM, Martin Kirchner wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> tha fact described above realy seems to be an  annoying one if you want to 
> create any plain text  with embedded tables like spreadsheed documents. Doing 
> all that wiht the MS office crab works pretty good but it doesn't at all with 
> Mac OS based editors like Textedit or Been. Any helpful idea for this?
> 
> Martin
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Sarah Alawami]

I use webkit and so far have not encountered any vo issues with web pages. Ok 
maybe 1 but I think I was overzealous. lol!
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:13 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Is this the case when you use Web Kit also?  I believe you are only the 
> second person to have reported Wifi issues.
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Rich Ring wrote:
> 
>> The download didn't take all that long, but my Macbook told me it needed to
>> restart and then sat there for nearly 15 minutes before finally restarting.
>> I have also noticed that in Safari WiFi seems to be broken. 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Arrigo
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:52 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: OS 10.65 is available for download
>> 
>> Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable
>> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole
>> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen
>> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more
>> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> . AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969 . MSN:  
>>> burninghawk1...@hotmail.com . My home page:
>>> . http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Growl

[Sarah Alawami]

Did you try the update? if not then it's probably adium's fault. Maybe? lol!

good luck.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:19 PM, Michael Thurman wrote:

> this brings up an interesting problem  I am trying to use adium with growl 
> and it does not work, even after I had someone who can see and is a mac guru 
> try and fix it. I am trying to se it for irc chat rooms. I'd love to hve 
> something hat works as well as mirc did with jaws on windows, then I coul 
> happily walk away from windows altogether, well except for mudding hat still 
> really shines with vip mud in wondows, and nothing here I know of wks properly
> 
> Mchael
> 
> On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> Nick, am I to understand that you actually wrote the code for Growl?
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely, 
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Austin
>>> 
>>> This is due to the way the style currently handles speech. Previously, it 
>>> did not obey speech preferences either. I am working on a fix, however, for 
>>> the issue with multiple notifications being spoken on top of each other. I 
>>> cannot promise the new improvement will be in the coming update, though, as 
>>> I have other priorities, studying being one of them. Of course, anyone with 
>>> the knowledge to complete it is of course quite welcome to change the 
>>> behavior.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Nic
>>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>>> Facebook
>>> Twitter
>>> Skype: Kvalme
>>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>>> AIM: cincinster
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
>>> 
 So people told me to get Growl, a message notification system. I 
 definitely see the advantage. I set it to use the speech style, and 
 customized my speech preferences. I installed Growlmail. It reads the 
 alerts, but one problem: it reads them all at once! I heard like ten 
 message alerts all read at the same time over top of each other. It 
 sounded, for lack of a better word, trippy. Do I have to change a setting 
 to get it to read them one after another? Do I have to use another style? 
 Can I not use Growl? Thanks.
 
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Re: switching from 64 to 32 bit version of OS

[Braille]

First of all, if you have not done anything, again, osx is all 32 bit mode. 
That being said,

1. Open about this mac, by vo plus m
2. Open more info. This is the same as the system profiler. 
3. Go down to the software section.
4. take a look at the software overview and it will tell you Kernel and ext 64 
bit mode or 32 bit mode. By default, it is 32 bit.

Now, I have used on 64 bit mode for the last several months. I have not noticed 
any incompatibility issue. With some system speed tools, I can observe about 7 
percent of speed gain but it is not that noticeable. 
More information about how to change the default into 64 bit can be found here:

http://www.overclock.net/mac/564147-how-enable-64-bit-default-os.html


On Nov 11, 2010, at 2:44 PM, Nektarios Mallas wrote:

> Hello there.
> How can you tell in which mode you are in? 
> Is there any menu or dialog to display that?
> 
> Nektarios.
> 
> On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> 
>> Well, you're already booting in 32-bit by default, so you don't need to. It 
>> becomes interesting if you boot into 64-bit, though. You may see performance 
>> options, or they may be so minimal for you to notice. You may also get 
>> incompatibility issues, though, in case a program doesn't support 64-bit 
>> extentions.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
>> 
>>> I must confess to some curiosity as to how come you'd want to do that. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sincerely, 
>>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>>> 
>>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>>> 
>>> Skype Name:
>>> barefootedray
>>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Boot holding down the 3 and 2 keys simultaniously while booting.
 
 
 On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
> Hello all,
> 
> About a month ago someone wrote how to switch from 64 to 32 bit mode on a 
> macbook pro.  Can someone please re post these instructions?
> 
> TIA
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Re: Growl

[Michael Thurman]

this brings up an interesting problem  I am trying to use adium with growl and 
it does not work, even after I had someone who can see and is a mac guru try 
and fix it. I am trying to se it for irc chat rooms. I'd love to hve something 
hat works as well as mirc did with jaws on windows, then I coul happily walk 
away from windows altogether, well except for mudding hat still really shines 
with vip mud in wondows, and nothing here I know of wks properly

Mchael

On Nov 5, 2010, at 4:26 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Nick, am I to understand that you actually wrote the code for Growl?
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Nov 5, 2010, at 3:19 PM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:
> 
>> Hello Austin
>> 
>> This is due to the way the style currently handles speech. Previously, it 
>> did not obey speech preferences either. I am working on a fix, however, for 
>> the issue with multiple notifications being spoken on top of each other. I 
>> cannot promise the new improvement will be in the coming update, though, as 
>> I have other priorities, studying being one of them. Of course, anyone with 
>> the knowledge to complete it is of course quite welcome to change the 
>> behavior.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Nic
>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com
>> Facebook
>> Twitter
>> Skype: Kvalme
>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk
>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368
>> AIM: cincinster
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2010, at 9:16 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote:
>> 
>>> So people told me to get Growl, a message notification system. I definitely 
>>> see the advantage. I set it to use the speech style, and customized my 
>>> speech preferences. I installed Growlmail. It reads the alerts, but one 
>>> problem: it reads them all at once! I heard like ten message alerts all 
>>> read at the same time over top of each other. It sounded, for lack of a 
>>> better word, trippy. Do I have to change a setting to get it to read them 
>>> one after another? Do I have to use another style? Can I not use Growl? 
>>> Thanks.
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Re: solona help

[Allison Manzino]

Hi all,

I'd love help with Solona too I have never been able to get the app installed 
correctly. I try to type CD Documents but it says directory or command not 
found something like that. I hope maybe someone can help me with this. Have a 
great evening.

Musically,
Allison

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> Okay, I no I successfully installed the app. When I press command shift 4, 
> picters are not taken, and when I go to terminal and type ./solona.sh I 
> receive an error saying directory doesn't exist. If I type ./ solona.sh I 
> receive the message saying directory found. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: [Bulk] solona help

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Yes!
I did all of that, received no errors. I was listening to Teresa's mp3 file, 
and reading the document. The terminal says press command shift 4, not 3. When 
I run the ./solona.sh script, it says no directory exists. If I put a space 
between the ./ solona.sh its says the Solona directory has been found. I've 
gotten through the hard part. LOL It's the screen shot and running the script 
that is difficult.
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On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:43 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> First of all, the hot key to take an image of your screen is actually 
> command+shift+3, not 4.  the next thing is this.  When you unziped the Solona 
> folder, did you direct Terminal.app to go to the directlry in to which you 
> put the folder?  I'd suggest that you put it in to your Documents folder off 
> the home folder.  Here's what you type to get there:
> cd Users/Sarai/Documents/Solona
> 
> then press return.  Now, the next thing you want to do is type:
> 
> chmod +x*
> 
> This tells Terminal.app that the Solona Setup.sh can be run as an exicutable. 
>  Now, type:
> 
> setup.sh
> 
> this will cause the setup ruteen to ask you for your Solona username, which 
> you type in.  Then press return.  Now, it will ask you for your password, 
> which you type then press return.  Next, it will tell you the directory from 
> which the screen shot will be taken.  Go ahead and just press return here to 
> accept the default.  Now, finally, the setup will ask you if you want to be 
> informed about the screen shot it's about to send off.  Say yes or no to this 
> by typeing y for yes and n for no.  Press return and you're done.
> 
> Tell you what, here's a link to the web page where you can find out even more.
> 
> 
> http://www.cattail.nu/mac/solona/
> 
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
> barefootedray
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
> 
>> Hi:
>> Okay, I no I successfully installed the app. When I press command shift 4, 
>> picters are not taken, and when I go to terminal and type ./solona.sh I 
>> receive an error saying directory doesn't exist. If I type ./ solona.sh I 
>> receive the message saying directory found. What am I doing wrong?
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Re: [Bulk] solona help

[Ray Foret Jr]

First of all, the hot key to take an image of your screen is actually 
command+shift+3, not 4.  the next thing is this.  When you unziped the Solona 
folder, did you direct Terminal.app to go to the directlry in to which you put 
the folder?  I'd suggest that you put it in to your Documents folder off the 
home folder.  Here's what you type to get there:
 cd Users/Sarai/Documents/Solona

then press return.  Now, the next thing you want to do is type:

chmod +x*

This tells Terminal.app that the Solona Setup.sh can be run as an exicutable.  
Now, type:

setup.sh

this will cause the setup ruteen to ask you for your Solona username, which you 
type in.  Then press return.  Now, it will ask you for your password, which you 
type then press return.  Next, it will tell you the directory from which the 
screen shot will be taken.  Go ahead and just press return here to accept the 
default.  Now, finally, the setup will ask you if you want to be informed about 
the screen shot it's about to send off.  Say yes or no to this by typeing y for 
yes and n for no.  Press return and you're done.

Tell you what, here's a link to the web page where you can find out even more.


http://www.cattail.nu/mac/solona/


HTH.

Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:33 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> Hi:
> Okay, I no I successfully installed the app. When I press command shift 4, 
> picters are not taken, and when I go to terminal and type ./solona.sh I 
> receive an error saying directory doesn't exist. If I type ./ solona.sh I 
> receive the message saying directory found. What am I doing wrong?
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solona help

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
Okay, I no I successfully installed the app. When I press command shift 4, 
picters are not taken, and when I go to terminal and type ./solona.sh I receive 
an error saying directory doesn't exist. If I type ./ solona.sh I receive the 
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Ray Foret Jr]

Is this the case when you use Web Kit also?  I believe you are only the second 
person to have reported Wifi issues.


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On Nov 11, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Rich Ring wrote:

> The download didn't take all that long, but my Macbook told me it needed to
> restart and then sat there for nearly 15 minutes before finally restarting.
> I have also noticed that in Safari WiFi seems to be broken. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: OS 10.65 is available for download
> 
> Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable
> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole
> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen
> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more
> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
>> 
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RE: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Rich Ring]

The download didn't take all that long, but my Macbook told me it needed to
restart and then sat there for nearly 15 minutes before finally restarting.
I have also noticed that in Safari WiFi seems to be broken. 

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Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable
Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole
install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen
yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more
responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
> 
> 
> . Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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Re: Trying to update firm wear in a APH device, but....

[VaShaun Jones]

Nope, but thanks!
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> SArchiver might be able to open exe files. I have not tried it but good luck.
> 
> S
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> you need an archiver that will open self extractor files.  These may be an 
>> exe but it's just a self extracting file meaning there's a bit of 
>> decompression code then a big chunk of actual data.
>> 
>> If it's a real exe and not a compressed archive then you have different 
>> issues but I think that's what's going on.  
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
>> 
>>> My thought is that you won't be able to open this file as it is a windows 
>>> executible file. I've been looking for a way to run these files natively on 
>>> OSX, but can't seem to find a clean solution other than using a virtual 
>>> machine.
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 2:19 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>>> 
 using the app called the unarchiver  to unzip this file rbd_upd.exe yields 
 a message that says that it cannot open this file. Does anyone know of an 
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Any chance to get plain text with embedded tables announced by Vo correctly?

[Martin Kirchner]

Hi,

tha fact described above realy seems to be an  annoying one if you want to 
create any plain text  with embedded tables like spreadsheed documents. Doing 
all that wiht the MS office crab works pretty good but it doesn't at all with 
Mac OS based editors like Textedit or Been. Any helpful idea for this?

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Re: Mac Mini and lack of display

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Ok, this explains everything for my mac mini 2010 bbeing seriously  sluggish 
when i open safari.

I will try connecting an hdmi cable to feign connectivity and have something 
bearable when i get online.

 
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Re: WiFi stability issues was Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Thierry Renoux]

I tried the LAN and it gave me the same trouble. Went back to 10.6.4.
Thanks Superduper!
T
On Nov 11, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I don't notice anything yet but my ftp client is acting oddly. Probably has 
> nothing to do with wifi though.
> 
> S
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Thierry Renoux wrote:
> 
>> yes. It seems to be happening only in Safari. The workaround for now is to 
>> disable airport and reenable it. Hope they will fix that bug soon.
>> 
>> T
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone seeing stability issues with WiFi after the upgrade?  I got dropped 
>>> today and wasn't sure, I was solid until I applied 10.6.5.  I do use 802.1X 
>>> authentication.  It almost looked like the driver reset because you'd come 
>>> back with no signal and have to rejoin the SSID.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>> 
>>> Also, how do you display your speed and connection signal details?  I see 
>>> under preferences where you can find your IP but no signal quality / speed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Sarah Alawami]

at least the install wint with out a hitch and took about 3 minutes or so not 
30 as usual. lol for updates!

S
On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:08 PM, Brett Campbell wrote:

> You're quite fortunate.  My Qwest service provided a whopping 154 kb for a 
> total of 50 minutes to download the update.
> 
> 
> Brett C.
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable 
>>> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole 
>>> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen 
>>> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more 
>>> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>>> • My home page:
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Re: Solona app installation question

[Sarah Alawami]

at the time I hated and still hate using the terminal no spaces unless the 
script has them but hopefully someone who remembers how to do this more then me 
can help. I use a script called clisk and so my syntax would be

./clisk

followed by enter and with luck it should start up.

keep in mind you might need to change to the dir solona is in so

cd ~/home/solona

then run the script.

Take care.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:13 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

> So no spaces?
> Why did you uninstall, and how did you uninstall?
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 8:07 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
> 
>> You run solona by typing what ever the script name is but I can't remember 
>> what it was since I uninstalled it. but ou would run the script wiht this 
>> syntax
>> 
>> ./scriptname
>> 
>> Good luck.
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:00 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
>> 
>>> All:
>>> I think I have the Solona app installed. Finally! So, if I understand it, I 
>>> hit command shift 4, start terminal, and type ./solona.sh  Is there any 
>>> spaces anywhere?
>>> I don't understand how to link it, or how to use VO to auto run the script. 
>>> Can you explaine?
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Re: Solona app installation question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

So no spaces?
Why did you uninstall, and how did you uninstall?
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> You run solona by typing what ever the script name is but I can't remember 
> what it was since I uninstalled it. but ou would run the script wiht this 
> syntax
> 
> ./scriptname
> 
> Good luck.
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> 
>> All:
>> I think I have the Solona app installed. Finally! So, if I understand it, I 
>> hit command shift 4, start terminal, and type ./solona.sh  Is there any 
>> spaces anywhere?
>> I don't understand how to link it, or how to use VO to auto run the script. 
>> Can you explaine?
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Brett Campbell]

You're quite fortunate.  My Qwest service provided a whopping 154 kb for a 
total of 50 minutes to download the update.


Brett C.

On Nov 11, 2010, at 6:51 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:

> Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable 
>> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole 
>> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen 
>> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more 
>> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
>> 
>> 
>> • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
>> • AIM, Skype and Twitter:  BurningHawk1969
>> • MSN:  burninghawk1...@hotmail.com
>> • My home page:
>> • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/
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Re: Solona app installation question

[Sarah Alawami]

You run solona by typing what ever the script name is but I can't remember what 
it was since I uninstalled it. but ou would run the script wiht this syntax

./scriptname

Good luck.
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> All:
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> hit command shift 4, start terminal, and type ./solona.sh  Is there any 
> spaces anywhere?
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Safari 10.6.5 issue

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
To the www.lockerz.com users, have you noticed since the 10.6.5 update, Safari 
crashes when you try to log in?

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Re: Mac Mini and lack of display

[Mike Arrigo]

Unless something has changed, connecting a display will make a difference, it 
doesn't have to be turned on, just connected. The 2008 model could be fooled in 
to thinking there was a monitor connected by connecting an adapter that would 
allow it to be connected to a TV, it was the DVI to Video adapter. However, on 
newer models, the analog connection was removed from the DVI port removing this 
option, and the current mini only has hdmi and mini display ports I think.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Matt McCubbin wrote:

> Hello all,
> I have a mid-2010 Mac Mini, and recently upgraded it to 8GB of ram. However, 
> I had a few questions about using it without a display.
> First, I've heard from several users that using the mini without a display 
> causes sluggish performance. I've only noticed sluggish behavior in Safari 
> and Garage band so far, will adding a display really make a difference?
> Second, is there a way to trick the mini in to thinking a display is 
> connected? According to the archives, this seemed to be possible last year 
> with a display adapter, but I haven't been able to determine if this method 
> still works with the latest revision of the mini.
> Thank you for any help with this issue.
> Best regards,
> Matt
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Solona app installation question

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

All:
I think I have the Solona app installed. Finally! So, if I understand it, I hit 
command shift 4, start terminal, and type ./solona.sh  Is there any spaces 
anywhere?
I don't understand how to link it, or how to use VO to auto run the script. Can 
you explaine?

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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Mike Arrigo]

Took about 3 minutes here for each mac, and I have 3 of them.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable 
> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole 
> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen 
> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more 
> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
> 
> 
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Looking for reader for mac that supports EPUb format

[Martin Kirchner]

Hi all,

Does anyone know an accessible mac OS application that supports the EPUB-Format 
used by lots of commercial eBook readers? OK, the iBooks app is able to do this 
but you don't may read any issued title outside the apple pye with that app.

Martin

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Re: Victor Stream with Windows 7 under vmware.

[Mike Arrigo]

Yes, that should work.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Thanks so much for this. However, How would she get the stream authorized to 
> run audible books if we can't get it working? Should we authorize it on 
> another windows machine, then we could just move all the downloaded audible 
> files to the card manually through the finder? WOuld that work? Thanks again.
> 
> Kevin
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> I think it might be vmware, since I had the same thing happen with windows 
>> XP. My suggestion for audible is to simply use a card reader, and liet 
>> itunes handle the downloading of the audible content.
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. A friend of mine has an MBP 13-inch with Snowleopard, VM Ware, 
>>> and Windows 7. She needs to plug her stream in via windows in order to be 
>>> able to move audible books to it using the audible manager. When I plug the 
>>> stream into the computer, I get the dialog asking me if I want to connect 
>>> to mac or windows. I choose windows, but nothing happens: no alert sound, 
>>> no nothing. I've tried this with 2 separate streams on 2 separate machines 
>>> running the same setup. Even when the stream is plugged in and I try to go 
>>> to the connect USB submenu, the stream does not appear. Several questions 
>>> come to mind.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is this a windows 7 or vmware problem, or both? I know that windows 7 
>>> users can access the stream no problem, but I wonder if the vm ware layer 
>>> is adding extra problems.
>>> 
>>> 2. If the stream is a complete no go, is there a way to load the audible 
>>> books and authorization on the memory card? This individual is very 
>>> irritated about the fact that this won't work. If anyone can help, I'd 
>>> really appreciated. You guys rock.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: WiFi stability issues was Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Kimberly thurman]

I updated yesterday and have been on the computer off and on all day with no 
issues whatsoever concerning Wi-Fi.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:24 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

> I don't notice anything yet but my ftp client is acting oddly. Probably has 
> nothing to do with wifi though.
> 
> S
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Thierry Renoux wrote:
> 
>> yes. It seems to be happening only in Safari. The workaround for now is to 
>> disable airport and reenable it. Hope they will fix that bug soon.
>> 
>> T
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone seeing stability issues with WiFi after the upgrade?  I got dropped 
>>> today and wasn't sure, I was solid until I applied 10.6.5.  I do use 802.1X 
>>> authentication.  It almost looked like the driver reset because you'd come 
>>> back with no signal and have to rejoin the SSID.
>>> 
>>> Anyone else seeing this?
>>> 
>>> Also, how do you display your speed and connection signal details?  I see 
>>> under preferences where you can find your IP but no signal quality / speed.
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Scott
>>> 
>>> 
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the latest version of growl

[Ray Foret Jr]

Hey y'all,

What's the latest version of Growl?  I thought it was 1.2.1 but then I found 
version 1.2.2.  When I downloaded it, it actually is Growl mail 1.2.2.  So, is 
1.2.1 the latest version of the actual Growl app?


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Re: Trying to update firm wear in a APH device, but....

[Sarah Alawami]

SArchiver might be able to open exe files. I have not tried it but good luck.

S
On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:37 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> you need an archiver that will open self extractor files.  These may be an 
> exe but it's just a self extracting file meaning there's a bit of 
> decompression code then a big chunk of actual data.
> 
> If it's a real exe and not a compressed archive then you have different 
> issues but I think that's what's going on.  
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:
> 
>> My thought is that you won't be able to open this file as it is a windows 
>> executible file. I've been looking for a way to run these files natively on 
>> OSX, but can't seem to find a clean solution other than using a virtual 
>> machine.
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 2:19 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
>> 
>>> using the app called the unarchiver  to unzip this file rbd_upd.exe yields 
>>> a message that says that it cannot open this file. Does anyone know of an 
>>> app that can?
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Re: WiFi stability issues was Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Sarah Alawami]

I don't notice anything yet but my ftp client is acting oddly. Probably has 
nothing to do with wifi though.

S
On Nov 11, 2010, at 3:44 PM, Thierry Renoux wrote:

> yes. It seems to be happening only in Safari. The workaround for now is to 
> disable airport and reenable it. Hope they will fix that bug soon.
> 
> T
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> Anyone seeing stability issues with WiFi after the upgrade?  I got dropped 
>> today and wasn't sure, I was solid until I applied 10.6.5.  I do use 802.1X 
>> authentication.  It almost looked like the driver reset because you'd come 
>> back with no signal and have to rejoin the SSID.
>> 
>> Anyone else seeing this?
>> 
>> Also, how do you display your speed and connection signal details?  I see 
>> under preferences where you can find your IP but no signal quality / speed.
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Scott
>> 
>> 
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Re: Getting additional information from the Airport status menu

[Justin Thornton]

you must aditionally to holding down the option key before entering the menu 
press VO plus up or down arrows
hth
On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:43 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Well, I went in to the universal access menu, then, holding down the option 
> key, I arrowed right till I got to the airport menu.  I didn't see any of 
> that stuff.  Was I supposed to do anything else or differently?
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
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> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> This seems to work well.  You get the transmition type and some speed data.
>> 
>> Cool 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Esther wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Geoff,
>>> 
>>> You wrote in another thread on WiFi stability:
>>> 
>>> As you probably discovered from ascertaining the ip address, under system 
>>> prefferences -> network,  there's a box labeled "Show AirPort status in 
>>> menu bar".  When checked, you can see information by either via trackpad 
>>> commander by double tapping the top with two fingers and locating "airport" 
>>> a little right of center near the top, or via the keyboard by pressing 
>>> vo-m-m and vo-arrow to thae airport menu (yet another illistration why I 
>>> almost always use trackpad commander, but I digress).
>>> 
>>> Anyway, I read documentation indicating that one can press option-click in 
>>> order to expose a menu that shows information such as throughput and 
>>> channel number.  I tried routing the mouse pointer, disabling trackpad 
>>> commander and pressing option-click, however it only brought focus to the 
>>> application.  Perhaps there's another way to simulate an option-click in vo 
>>> so as to expose this menu?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Like many things, this is in the archives .  See Barry Hadder's tip 
>>> on extra status menus in SL, which I've pasted in below.
>>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08864.html
>>> 
>>> "I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I 
>>> wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status 
>>> menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow 
>>> over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down 
>>> through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as 
>>> volume, mobileme, etc."
>>> 
>>> In fact, this was not new to Snow Leopard; it also works in Leopard, but is 
>>> a neat feature. And you can navigate to the status menu bar any way you 
>>> like, but you should have the Option key pressed before you right or left 
>>> arrow to the AirPort status menu if you want the additional information 
>>> displayed.  Let us know whether this works for you.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
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Re: WiFi stability issues was Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Thierry Renoux]

yes. It seems to be happening only in Safari. The workaround for now is to 
disable airport and reenable it. Hope they will fix that bug soon.

T
On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Anyone seeing stability issues with WiFi after the upgrade?  I got dropped 
> today and wasn't sure, I was solid until I applied 10.6.5.  I do use 802.1X 
> authentication.  It almost looked like the driver reset because you'd come 
> back with no signal and have to rejoin the SSID.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Also, how do you display your speed and connection signal details?  I see 
> under preferences where you can find your IP but no signal quality / speed.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> 

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Re: Trying to update firm wear in a APH device, but....

[Scott Granados]

you need an archiver that will open self extractor files.  These may be an exe 
but it's just a self extracting file meaning there's a bit of decompression 
code then a big chunk of actual data.

If it's a real exe and not a compressed archive then you have different issues 
but I think that's what's going on.  


On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:23 PM, Hai Nguyen wrote:

> My thought is that you won't be able to open this file as it is a windows 
> executible file. I've been looking for a way to run these files natively on 
> OSX, but can't seem to find a clean solution other than using a virtual 
> machine.
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 2:19 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:
> 
>> using the app called the unarchiver  to unzip this file rbd_upd.exe yields a 
>> message that says that it cannot open this file. Does anyone know of an app 
>> that can?
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Re: Braille for other languages

[heather kd5cbl]

That is good to know.  Heather 


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Braille for other languages

[Anne Robertson]

Hello everyone,

The latest update to Mac OS X removes Braille for other languages. You can 
download a compatible version of the Braille tables from:


This package also includes beta versions of Dutch and Icelandic Braille should 
anyone be interested.

Cheers,

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Re: switching from 64 to 32 bit version of OS

[Nektarios Mallas]

Hello there.
How can you tell in which mode you are in? 
Is there any menu or dialog to display that?

Nektarios.

On Nov 9, 2010, at 11:19 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Well, you're already booting in 32-bit by default, so you don't need to. It 
> becomes interesting if you boot into 64-bit, though. You may see performance 
> options, or they may be so minimal for you to notice. You may also get 
> incompatibility issues, though, in case a program doesn't support 64-bit 
> extentions.
> 
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> On Nov 9, 2010, at 10:16 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
> 
>> I must confess to some curiosity as to how come you'd want to do that. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely, 
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype Name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 11:06 PM, Scott Granados wrote:
>> 
>>> Boot holding down the 3 and 2 keys simultaniously while booting.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 8, 2010, at 8:39 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>>> 
 Hello all,
 
 About a month ago someone wrote how to switch from 64 to 32 bit mode on a 
 macbook pro.  Can someone please re post these instructions?
 
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RE: Mac Mini and lack of display

[Rich Ring]

Unfortunately, with the new Mac Minis, you have to have a display in order
to get rid of the sluggish behavior in Safari. You will read archived
messages that might say different, but it's not true.  If you want to have
Safari perform as it should, you'll need a display. 

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Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 1:02 PM
To: MacVisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Mac Mini and lack of display

Hello all,
I have a mid-2010 Mac Mini, and recently upgraded it to 8GB of ram. 
However, I had a few questions about using it without a display.
First, I've heard from several users that using the mini without a display
causes sluggish performance. I've only noticed sluggish behavior in Safari
and Garage band so far, will adding a display really make a difference?
Second, is there a way to trick the mini in to thinking a display is
connected? According to the archives, this seemed to be possible last year
with a display adapter, but I haven't been able to determine if this method
still works with the latest revision of the mini.
Thank you for any help with this issue.
Best regards,
Matt

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Re: feature suggestion for braille key assignments.

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Alison,  This is my entire thing, you can't use the display to perform 
standard keyboard commands.  Multitudenous voiceover commands yes, but no 
standard mac os keyboard commands.

Unfortunately, I don't have a braillino to test on here, so I can't see what 
you are seeing.

If you go to voiceover utility then braille then displays tab, you can press 
the assign commands button and see all the ones that are predefined for your 
braille display.  You can also add more by pressing command B and then pressing 
the button combination you want to add.  Press space bar on it in the table and 
you can choose from literally hundreds of functions.  That display should also 
allow you to write  braille on your mac since it has an input keyboard.

I wish I could give you better info, but as I said, I don't have one here for 
demo.  Unfortunately they aren't funded here and no one sells them, or I would 
have access to one.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-11-11, at 4:00 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> I understand what you mean now. The only thing I'm still confused about is 
> how you assign commands. I cannot find a command for skimming through a 
> message by paratraphs. I have the next and previous commands, pan left and 
> right commands. But I don't see a command to go next and previous paragraphs. 
> I'm sure I'm missing something. I apologize for my ignorance on this matter. 
> I never realized that you could use the Braille display to also perform 
> keyboard functions on the Mac. I hope  you are having a wonderful day. Thanks 
> again for answering all my questions.
> 
> Happily,
> Allison
> 
> My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar!
> 
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Hum, well you're right I'm super confused, but I think I can clarify.
>> 
>> Actually, I was wrong in my original post which merks things up even more.
>> 
>> To understand what I'm doing, I'll give you a brief description of the 
>> braille connect.
>> 
>> The front edge is cut out on a slant and has the following controls left to 
>> right.
>> function keys 1 and 2, left space, joystick, right space, and function keys 
>> 3 and 4.  The function keys are called f1 through f4 on the mac.
>> on the top face the braille display and it's router keys are at the front.  
>> On each side of the braille display are three round keys running front to 
>> back along the ends of the display.  The mac calls these d1 through d6.
>> behind the router keys is a set of 8 braille input keys which are square and 
>> laid out in an ergonomic braille keyboard style.  Mac calls these dot1 
>> through dot8.When I was talking about d1+d2+d3, I actually meant 
>> dot1+dot2+dot3.
>> 
>> What I eventualy hope to accomplish is to force my mac to emulate the 
>> conventions of a standard note taker, such as the braille note, braille 
>> sense, or packmate.
>> 
>> You have some experience with these, so just nod along here.
>> In the notetaker convention, space+1 = previous letter, space+4 = next 
>> letter.
>> space+2 = previous word, space+5 = next word.
>> Space+3 = previous sentence, space+6 = next sentence.
>> Space+2+3 equals previous paragraph, space+5+6 = next paragraph.
>> Space+1+2+3 = go to top, space+4+5+6 = go to end.
>> add the word dot before all those numbers if you want to be mackish about it.
>> 
>> OK, so with the braille connect, we're breaking the convention already, 
>> because next and previous letter are joystick left and right, but that's OK.
>> 
>> Here's what I'd like to do for the bc.  I'll make a nice little table here.
>> Function, mac OS command, braille connect command,
>> Previous word, option left arrow, space+dot1,
>> next word, option right arrow, space+dot4,
>> Previous paragraph, option up arrow, space+dot2,
>> next paragraph, option down arrow, space+dot5,
>> beginning of line, control right arrow, space+dot3,
>> end of line, control right arrow, space+dot6,
>> go to top, command up arrow, space+1+2+3, 
>> go to bottom, command down arrow, space+dot4+dot5+dot6.
>> 
>> I don't know anything about the brailleno control surface, but it wouldn't 
>> be hard to put previous and next letter on dots 1 and 4, then move 
>> everything else outward and put next and previous paragraph on dots 23 and 
>> 56.
>> 
>> If you don't normally use these commands, make yourself a reply to this 
>> message, type some text and then practice going word by word, paragraph by 
>> paragraph, top and bottom.  Watch what happens on your brailleno as you 
>> navigate with mac OS10 keyboard shortcuts.  It shows you the information you 
>> need without having to interact.  Here I am at the bottom of a message I 
>> typed, and if I want to go to the top I press command up arrow.  The braille 
>> display says hum, because that's the first word I typed.  To get bac

Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

[Doug Lawlor]

I used a Braille and speak in about 1988 or so. The thing seemed revolutionary 
at the time. It was so small for what it did and the battery life was so good. 
I also liked the instant on feature. I saw nothing else that had those features 
at the time for the price. Doug

Sent from my iPhone

On 2010-11-11, at 5:36 PM, Austin Seraphin  wrote:

> I just wanted to chime in on this thread. I went from using a netbook to a 
> MacBook Air, and definitely notice the difference. Admittedly, for me, my 
> netbook had a rather nonstandard configuration. It came with a Windows XP 
> partition, and a second blank partition presumably for media files and the 
> like. I just installed Arch Linux on the second partition and made a sweet 
> dual boot setup with a minimum of fuss. I could even access the Windows 
> partition from Linux, from which I did most of my work. I put together a good 
> enough environment, but Mac just kills it! For me, it feels like owning two 
> computers in one, since I can do a lot of cool Unix stuff on it as well, 
> including using ssh to control my other linux servers. Just so cool!
> 
> That won't matter to most. Most will care about the hardware differences. The 
> macBook feels a lot more solid because of its unibody frame. You can tell. 
> You get what you pay for. The Air also uses flash for everything. When they 
> say "Instant On," they mean it! It also sounds better. The netbook, at least 
> the Asus I have, has its speakers on the bottom, whereas the Air has them 
> under the keyboard. I think the unibody frame also acts as a sort of 
> resonance chamber or something, it seems to help the sound instead of 
> hindering it. Oh and of course, unlike a Windows or Linux netbook, you can 
> actually use the trackpad! Don't get me wrong, I loved the setup I created, 
> and still have to find some ways of doing some things on the Mac, but for me 
> the Air just seemed like a no-brainer!
> 
> As for comparing the Air to notetakers, I never really got into reading 
> braille displays, so it didn't really bother me. I just got a sweet case and 
> now have the whole notetaking thing covered too. I just have to find the best 
> ways to take the notes! I like MacJournal for journaling and blogging. 
> TextEdit works for quick things. I know little of Pages, but will want to. 
> Either way, for me, the MacBook Air seems like the perfect computer and 
> notetaker. I still have a place in my heart for the Braille 'n Speak though.
> 
> - Austin
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Re: longshot help with odsagent error

[Jonathan Cohn]

One site I read pointed out that Bonjour for Windows uses this and
iTunes maybe the source. So try reinstalling iTunes and/or Bonjour for
Windows?

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL755
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL953
http://support.apple.com/kb/DL927



On 11/11/2010, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
> Hmm,  DNSD almost sounds like dynamic DNS which is a Apple name for
> the functionality that allows the macintosh to find printers and Apple
> disk shares on the network. Sorta a standards based netbios if I
> understand netbios correctly.  Searching my think pad right now...
>
>
> On 11/11/2010, erik burggraaf  wrote:
>> Hi guys, my windows xp virtual machine is throwing up this spurious
>> error.
>>
>> DNSAgent.exe failed to load component.
>> The application failed to start because DNSSD.dll could not be found.
>>
>> Has any one encountered this?
>> I'm running vmFusion 3 with the current vmware tools installed.  My guest
>> OS
>> is windows xp pro sp3.
>>
>> I've tried re-installing the network driver.  That didn't work.  I've
>> tried
>> re-installing vmware tools, nothing doing. I've tried crying but this
>> computer never has been known for a sympathetic bent.  I've tried google
>> searching, and it seems that ODSAgent is some apple cd and dvd sharing
>> business.  Unfortunately that was the most useful thing I got.
>> Everything
>> else was registry cleaners and dll download sites, most of which looked
>> even
>> sketchier than trying to muddle along without dns support on windows.
>>
>> Just to see what would happen, I pinged google on the mack side and got
>> the
>> current IP address for www.google.com.  When I put the ip address into
>> firefox in my windows vm it gives me the google homepage, so I have
>> internet
>> access, but apparently DNSSD.dll is part of something windows uses to
>> resolve dns and so as long as I have the website's IP address I can
>> connect,
>> but if I just type in a www, it doesn't go.
>>
>> If any one has suggestions on how to fix this, my appreciation would know
>> no
>> bounds.
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
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Re: longshot help with odsagent error

[Jonathan Cohn]

Hmm,  DNSD almost sounds like dynamic DNS which is a Apple name for
the functionality that allows the macintosh to find printers and Apple
disk shares on the network. Sorta a standards based netbios if I
understand netbios correctly.  Searching my think pad right now...


On 11/11/2010, erik burggraaf  wrote:
> Hi guys, my windows xp virtual machine is throwing up this spurious
> error.
>
> DNSAgent.exe failed to load component.
> The application failed to start because DNSSD.dll could not be found.
>
> Has any one encountered this?
> I'm running vmFusion 3 with the current vmware tools installed.  My guest OS
> is windows xp pro sp3.
>
> I've tried re-installing the network driver.  That didn't work.  I've tried
> re-installing vmware tools, nothing doing. I've tried crying but this
> computer never has been known for a sympathetic bent.  I've tried google
> searching, and it seems that ODSAgent is some apple cd and dvd sharing
> business.  Unfortunately that was the most useful thing I got.  Everything
> else was registry cleaners and dll download sites, most of which looked even
> sketchier than trying to muddle along without dns support on windows.
>
> Just to see what would happen, I pinged google on the mack side and got the
> current IP address for www.google.com.  When I put the ip address into
> firefox in my windows vm it gives me the google homepage, so I have internet
> access, but apparently DNSSD.dll is part of something windows uses to
> resolve dns and so as long as I have the website's IP address I can connect,
> but if I just type in a www, it doesn't go.
>
> If any one has suggestions on how to fix this, my appreciation would know no
> bounds.
> Thanks,
>
> Erik Burggraaf
> User support consultant,
> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in
> person,
> 1-888-255-5194
> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>
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Re: accessibility of MacBook Air

[Austin Seraphin]

I just wanted to chime in on this thread. I went from using a netbook to a 
MacBook Air, and definitely notice the difference. Admittedly, for me, my 
netbook had a rather nonstandard configuration. It came with a Windows XP 
partition, and a second blank partition presumably for media files and the 
like. I just installed Arch Linux on the second partition and made a sweet dual 
boot setup with a minimum of fuss. I could even access the Windows partition 
from Linux, from which I did most of my work. I put together a good enough 
environment, but Mac just kills it! For me, it feels like owning two computers 
in one, since I can do a lot of cool Unix stuff on it as well, including using 
ssh to control my other linux servers. Just so cool!

That won't matter to most. Most will care about the hardware differences. The 
macBook feels a lot more solid because of its unibody frame. You can tell. You 
get what you pay for. The Air also uses flash for everything. When they say 
"Instant On," they mean it! It also sounds better. The netbook, at least the 
Asus I have, has its speakers on the bottom, whereas the Air has them under the 
keyboard. I think the unibody frame also acts as a sort of resonance chamber or 
something, it seems to help the sound instead of hindering it. Oh and of 
course, unlike a Windows or Linux netbook, you can actually use the trackpad! 
Don't get me wrong, I loved the setup I created, and still have to find some 
ways of doing some things on the Mac, but for me the Air just seemed like a 
no-brainer!

As for comparing the Air to notetakers, I never really got into reading braille 
displays, so it didn't really bother me. I just got a sweet case and now have 
the whole notetaking thing covered too. I just have to find the best ways to 
take the notes! I like MacJournal for journaling and blogging. TextEdit works 
for quick things. I know little of Pages, but will want to. Either way, for me, 
the MacBook Air seems like the perfect computer and notetaker. I still have a 
place in my heart for the Braille 'n Speak though.

 - Austin

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Re: feature suggestion for braille key assignments.

[Allison Manzino]

Hi Erik,

I understand what you mean now. The only thing I'm still confused about is how 
you assign commands. I cannot find a command for skimming through a message by 
paratraphs. I have the next and previous commands, pan left and right commands. 
But I don't see a command to go next and previous paragraphs. I'm sure I'm 
missing something. I apologize for my ignorance on this matter. I never 
realized that you could use the Braille display to also perform keyboard 
functions on the Mac. I hope  you are having a wonderful day. Thanks again for 
answering all my questions.

Happily,
Allison

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:02 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:

> Hum, well you're right I'm super confused, but I think I can clarify.
> 
> Actually, I was wrong in my original post which merks things up even more.
> 
> To understand what I'm doing, I'll give you a brief description of the 
> braille connect.
> 
> The front edge is cut out on a slant and has the following controls left to 
> right.
> function keys 1 and 2, left space, joystick, right space, and function keys 3 
> and 4.  The function keys are called f1 through f4 on the mac.
> on the top face the braille display and it's router keys are at the front.  
> On each side of the braille display are three round keys running front to 
> back along the ends of the display.  The mac calls these d1 through d6.
> behind the router keys is a set of 8 braille input keys which are square and 
> laid out in an ergonomic braille keyboard style.  Mac calls these dot1 
> through dot8.When I was talking about d1+d2+d3, I actually meant 
> dot1+dot2+dot3.
> 
> What I eventualy hope to accomplish is to force my mac to emulate the 
> conventions of a standard note taker, such as the braille note, braille 
> sense, or packmate.
> 
> You have some experience with these, so just nod along here.
> In the notetaker convention, space+1 = previous letter, space+4 = next letter.
> space+2 = previous word, space+5 = next word.
> Space+3 = previous sentence, space+6 = next sentence.
> Space+2+3 equals previous paragraph, space+5+6 = next paragraph.
> Space+1+2+3 = go to top, space+4+5+6 = go to end.
> add the word dot before all those numbers if you want to be mackish about it.
> 
> OK, so with the braille connect, we're breaking the convention already, 
> because next and previous letter are joystick left and right, but that's OK.
> 
> Here's what I'd like to do for the bc.  I'll make a nice little table here.
> Function, mac OS command, braille connect command,
> Previous word, option left arrow, space+dot1,
> next word, option right arrow, space+dot4,
> Previous paragraph, option up arrow, space+dot2,
> next paragraph, option down arrow, space+dot5,
> beginning of line, control right arrow, space+dot3,
> end of line, control right arrow, space+dot6,
> go to top, command up arrow, space+1+2+3, 
> go to bottom, command down arrow, space+dot4+dot5+dot6.
> 
> I don't know anything about the brailleno control surface, but it wouldn't be 
> hard to put previous and next letter on dots 1 and 4, then move everything 
> else outward and put next and previous paragraph on dots 23 and 56.
> 
> If you don't normally use these commands, make yourself a reply to this 
> message, type some text and then practice going word by word, paragraph by 
> paragraph, top and bottom.  Watch what happens on your brailleno as you 
> navigate with mac OS10 keyboard shortcuts.  It shows you the information you 
> need without having to interact.  Here I am at the bottom of a message I 
> typed, and if I want to go to the top I press command up arrow.  The braille 
> display says hum, because that's the first word I typed.  To get back here 
> and continue typing I skim the message paragraraph by paragraph til I get 
> beck to my signature.
> 
> I'm not interacting with the edit box that I'm using to type this message.  
> The reason is that I don't have a need to interact.  I can edit without, but 
> while I'm not interacting, I can also decide to quickly jump over to the cc 
> field and copy this message to apple accessibility. Or, I can be monitoring 
> two parts of the screen at once, making a change in one area and observing 
> how that change effects another area.
> 
> As I look around for ways to add more features to my braille controller, it 
> strikes me that there are no provisions for mac OS10 commands.  There are 
> hundreds of voiceover commands to choose from, including the ability to run 
> scrips from braille keys and all sorts of business, but if voiceover doesn't 
> do it, neither does the braille display.  I think this is a serious oversight 
> that needs to be corrected, because mac OS itself has a lot to offer in terms 
> of keyboard functionality.
> 
> Of course,  I'm still screaming for grade two braille input and some other 
> things.  It will be interesting to see what OS10.7 offers us in terms of 
> braille functionality.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Eri

Re: Trying to update firm wear in a APH device, but....

[Hai Nguyen]

My thought is that you won't be able to open this file as it is a windows 
executible file. I've been looking for a way to run these files natively on 
OSX, but can't seem to find a clean solution other than using a virtual machine.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 2:19 PM, VaShaun Jones wrote:

> using the app called the unarchiver  to unzip this file rbd_upd.exe yields a 
> message that says that it cannot open this file. Does anyone know of an app 
> that can?
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Trying to update firm wear in a APH device, but....

[VaShaun Jones]

using the app called the unarchiver  to unzip this file rbd_upd.exe yields a 
message that says that it cannot open this file. Does anyone know of an app 
that can?

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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Scott Granados]

That's a cool feature.  Thanks for the great explination.

On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:10 AM, Carolyn Haas wrote:

> Hi Scott:
> The data detector responds to info in an email that it thinks you ay want to 
> do something with, such as a link, an address, a phone number and maybe even 
> a date.  When that notification happns, it means there's something you can 
> click vo-shift-m on and get  a context menu.
> hth
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
> 
>> What is the data detector?
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
>> 
>>> I'll be a happy girl the day that one ceases to exist.  Pointless for sure!
>>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>>> 
 I see they haven't done away with the "data detector present," thing..  
 
 
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Carolyn Haas]

Hi Scott:
The data detector responds to info in an email that it thinks you ay want to do 
something with, such as a link, an address, a phone number and maybe even a 
date.  When that notification happns, it means there's something you can click 
vo-shift-m on and get  a context menu.
hth
On Nov 11, 2010, at 11:27 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> What is the data detector?
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:
> 
>> I'll be a happy girl the day that one ceases to exist.  Pointless for sure!
>> On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
>> 
>>> I see they haven't done away with the "data detector present," thing..  
>>> 
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Mac Mini and lack of display

[Matt McCubbin]

Hello all,
I have a mid-2010 Mac Mini, and recently upgraded it to 8GB of ram. 
However, I had a few questions about using it without a display.
First, I've heard from several users that using the mini without a 
display causes sluggish performance. I've only noticed sluggish behavior 
in Safari and Garage band so far, will adding a display really make a 
difference?
Second, is there a way to trick the mini in to thinking a display is 
connected? According to the archives, this seemed to be possible last 
year with a display adapter, but I haven't been able to determine if 
this method still works with the latest revision of the mini.

Thank you for any help with this issue.
Best regards,
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longshot help with odsagent error

[erik burggraaf]

Hi guys, my windows xp virtual machine is throwing up this spurious 
error.

DNSAgent.exe failed to load component.
The application failed to start because DNSSD.dll could not be found.

Has any one encountered this?
I'm running vmFusion 3 with the current vmware tools installed.  My guest OS is 
windows xp pro sp3.

I've tried re-installing the network driver.  That didn't work.  I've tried 
re-installing vmware tools, nothing doing. I've tried crying but this computer 
never has been known for a sympathetic bent.  I've tried google searching, and 
it seems that ODSAgent is some apple cd and dvd sharing business.  
Unfortunately that was the most useful thing I got.  Everything else was 
registry cleaners and dll download sites, most of which looked even sketchier 
than trying to muddle along without dns support on windows.

Just to see what would happen, I pinged google on the mack side and got the 
current IP address for www.google.com.  When I put the ip address into firefox 
in my windows vm it gives me the google homepage, so I have internet access, 
but apparently DNSSD.dll is part of something windows uses to resolve dns and 
so as long as I have the website's IP address I can connect, but if I just type 
in a www, it doesn't go.

If any one has suggestions on how to fix this, my appreciation would know no 
bounds.
Thanks,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
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Re: Getting additional information from the Airport status menu

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, I went in to the universal access menu, then, holding down the option 
key, I arrowed right till I got to the airport menu.  I didn't see any of that 
stuff.  Was I supposed to do anything else or differently?


Sincerely, 
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Skype Name:
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On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:34 PM, Scott Granados wrote:

> This seems to work well.  You get the transmition type and some speed data.
> 
> Cool 
> Thanks!
> 
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Esther wrote:
> 
>> Hi Geoff,
>> 
>> You wrote in another thread on WiFi stability:
>> 
>> As you probably discovered from ascertaining the ip address, under system 
>> prefferences -> network,  there's a box labeled "Show AirPort status in menu 
>> bar".  When checked, you can see information by either via trackpad 
>> commander by double tapping the top with two fingers and locating "airport" 
>> a little right of center near the top, or via the keyboard by pressing 
>> vo-m-m and vo-arrow to thae airport menu (yet another illistration why I 
>> almost always use trackpad commander, but I digress).
>> 
>> Anyway, I read documentation indicating that one can press option-click in 
>> order to expose a menu that shows information such as throughput and channel 
>> number.  I tried routing the mouse pointer, disabling trackpad commander and 
>> pressing option-click, however it only brought focus to the application.  
>> Perhaps there's another way to simulate an option-click in vo so as to 
>> expose this menu?
>> 
>> 
>> Like many things, this is in the archives .  See Barry Hadder's tip 
>> on extra status menus in SL, which I've pasted in below.
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08864.html
>> 
>> "I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I 
>> wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status 
>> menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow 
>> over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down 
>> through the menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as 
>> volume, mobileme, etc."
>> 
>> In fact, this was not new to Snow Leopard; it also works in Leopard, but is 
>> a neat feature. And you can navigate to the status menu bar any way you 
>> like, but you should have the Option key pressed before you right or left 
>> arrow to the AirPort status menu if you want the additional information 
>> displayed.  Let us know whether this works for you.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
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Re: Getting additional information from the Airport status menu

[Scott Granados]

This seems to work well.  You get the transmition type and some speed data.

Cool 
Thanks!

On Nov 11, 2010, at 7:37 AM, Esther wrote:

> Hi Geoff,
> 
> You wrote in another thread on WiFi stability:
> 
> As you probably discovered from ascertaining the ip address, under system 
> prefferences -> network,  there's a box labeled "Show AirPort status in menu 
> bar".  When checked, you can see information by either via trackpad commander 
> by double tapping the top with two fingers and locating "airport" a little 
> right of center near the top, or via the keyboard by pressing vo-m-m and 
> vo-arrow to thae airport menu (yet another illistration why I almost always 
> use trackpad commander, but I digress).
> 
> Anyway, I read documentation indicating that one can press option-click in 
> order to expose a menu that shows information such as throughput and channel 
> number.  I tried routing the mouse pointer, disabling trackpad commander and 
> pressing option-click, however it only brought focus to the application.  
> Perhaps there's another way to simulate an option-click in vo so as to expose 
> this menu?
> 
> 
> Like many things, this is in the archives .  See Barry Hadder's tip on 
> extra status menus in SL, which I've pasted in below.
> http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08864.html
> 
> "I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I wanted 
> to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the status menu 
> with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or right arrow over the 
> airport menu icon. Now release the option key and arrow down through the 
> menu. This can be done on many of the other menus such as volume, mobileme, 
> etc."
> 
> In fact, this was not new to Snow Leopard; it also works in Leopard, but is a 
> neat feature. And you can navigate to the status menu bar any way you like, 
> but you should have the Option key pressed before you right or left arrow to 
> the AirPort status menu if you want the additional information displayed.  
> Let us know whether this works for you.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Esther
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Scott Granados]

What is the data detector?

On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:13 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

> I'll be a happy girl the day that one ceases to exist.  Pointless for sure!
> On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:
> 
>> I see they haven't done away with the "data detector present," thing..  
>> 
>> 
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Kimberly thurman]

I'll be a happy girl the day that one ceases to exist.  Pointless for sure!
On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:10 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> I see they haven't done away with the "data detector present," thing..  
> 
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Looking for a good timer/stopwatch for Mac OS10.6.5

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Just like it says in the subject line. :)  I want to time things like work-out 
length, stuff on the stove, whatever.  (Sick of my apartment going up in flames 
while i'm on the treadmill!) I see a discussion about such apps for the Iphone; 
is there a comparable one for my Macbook Pro15 running 10.6.5?  Must also be 
VoiceOver friendly/accessible...
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

I see they haven't done away with the "data detector present," thing..  


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RE: Removing a server in Mac mail

[Frank Ventura]

Thank you very much, that did the trick.
Frank

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn
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Subject: Re: Removing a server in Mac mail

Hi Frank,

If you're speaking of an outgoing server, then do the following when in
Mail:

* Press cmd-comma to open your Preferences.
* Select the Accounts tab from the Toolbar.
* Navigate to the Outgoing servers pop-up menu.
* Choose Edit Server List.
* Select the server you wish to remove from the server List table.
* Stop Interacting with the Table.
* click on the Minus sign.
* Click OK and close your Preferences.

Your done.

Later...

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> Hi all, how can I remove a server that I don't need anymore from Mac 
> mail?
> Thanks
> Frank
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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Sarah Alawami]

Well my mail still crashes with a bang when I'm reading a message at random so 
that has not been fixed but all in all the update is pretty good! I use webkit 
so I don't always get the safari crashes that are reported.

S
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> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable 
> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole 
> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen 
> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more 
> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
> 
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Re: Removing a server in Mac mail

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi Frank,

If you're speaking of an outgoing server, then do the following when in Mail:

• Press cmd-comma to open your Preferences.
• Select the Accounts tab from the Toolbar.
• Navigate to the Outgoing servers pop-up menu.
• Choose Edit Server List.
• Select the server you wish to remove from the server List table.
• Stop Interacting with the Table.
• click on the Minus sign.
• Click OK and close your Preferences.

Your done.

Later...

On 2010-11-11, at 10:25 AM, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi all, how can I remove a server that I don't need anymore from Mac
> mail?
> Thanks
> Frank
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Removing a server in Mac mail

[Frank Ventura]

Hi all, how can I remove a server that I don't need anymore from Mac
mail?
Thanks
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Re: [Bulk] Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, using AT&T U-Verse over here, the download took maybe about 10 minutes 
for me.

Not bad for what's supposed to be a 24MB max downstream speed huh?


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

Skype Name:
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On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:12 AM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

> Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable 
> Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole 
> install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen 
> yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more 
> responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility features.
> 
> 
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RE: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Frank Ventura]

Mark, mac mail is definitely much faster. So far, so good.

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Baxter
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Subject: Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable
Internet here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the
whole install probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade
I've seen yet. :)  I believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems
more responsive; haven't yet tested or found other accessibility
features.


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burninghawk1...@hotmail.com  * My home page:
 * http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Well aren't *YOU* just the bees' meow. :)  I have basic Charter cable Internet 
here, and it took under 20 minutes to download--in fact, the whole install 
probably only took 20 minutes--the most painless upgrade I've seen yet. :)  I 
believe it's a tad faster than before, and VO seems more responsive; haven't 
yet tested or found other accessibility features.


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 • http://MarkBurningHawk.net/

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Re: Victor Stream with Windows 7 under vmware.

[Hai Nguyen]

Good morning everyone, 
I don't think this is an issue with Windows XP on a VMWare machine as I have 
managed to authorize a BookSense XT to work with Audible with no issues.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Thanks so much for this. However, How would she get the stream authorized to 
> run audible books if we can't get it working? Should we authorize it on 
> another windows machine, then we could just move all the downloaded audible 
> files to the card manually through the finder? WOuld that work? Thanks again.
> 
> Kevin
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> I think it might be vmware, since I had the same thing happen with windows 
>> XP. My suggestion for audible is to simply use a card reader, and liet 
>> itunes handle the downloading of the audible content.
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. A friend of mine has an MBP 13-inch with Snowleopard, VM Ware, 
>>> and Windows 7. She needs to plug her stream in via windows in order to be 
>>> able to move audible books to it using the audible manager. When I plug the 
>>> stream into the computer, I get the dialog asking me if I want to connect 
>>> to mac or windows. I choose windows, but nothing happens: no alert sound, 
>>> no nothing. I've tried this with 2 separate streams on 2 separate machines 
>>> running the same setup. Even when the stream is plugged in and I try to go 
>>> to the connect USB submenu, the stream does not appear. Several questions 
>>> come to mind.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is this a windows 7 or vmware problem, or both? I know that windows 7 
>>> users can access the stream no problem, but I wonder if the vm ware layer 
>>> is adding extra problems.
>>> 
>>> 2. If the stream is a complete no go, is there a way to load the audible 
>>> books and authorization on the memory card? This individual is very 
>>> irritated about the fact that this won't work. If anyone can help, I'd 
>>> really appreciated. You guys rock.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
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Re: feature suggestion for braille key assignments.

[erik burggraaf]

Hum, well you're right I'm super confused, but I think I can clarify.

Actually, I was wrong in my original post which merks things up even more.

To understand what I'm doing, I'll give you a brief description of the braille 
connect.

The front edge is cut out on a slant and has the following controls left to 
right.
function keys 1 and 2, left space, joystick, right space, and function keys 3 
and 4.  The function keys are called f1 through f4 on the mac.
on the top face the braille display and it's router keys are at the front.  On 
each side of the braille display are three round keys running front to back 
along the ends of the display.  The mac calls these d1 through d6.
behind the router keys is a set of 8 braille input keys which are square and 
laid out in an ergonomic braille keyboard style.  Mac calls these dot1 through 
dot8.When I was talking about d1+d2+d3, I actually meant dot1+dot2+dot3.

What I eventualy hope to accomplish is to force my mac to emulate the 
conventions of a standard note taker, such as the braille note, braille sense, 
or packmate.

You have some experience with these, so just nod along here.
In the notetaker convention, space+1 = previous letter, space+4 = next letter.
space+2 = previous word, space+5 = next word.
Space+3 = previous sentence, space+6 = next sentence.
Space+2+3 equals previous paragraph, space+5+6 = next paragraph.
Space+1+2+3 = go to top, space+4+5+6 = go to end.
add the word dot before all those numbers if you want to be mackish about it.

OK, so with the braille connect, we're breaking the convention already, because 
next and previous letter are joystick left and right, but that's OK.

Here's what I'd like to do for the bc.  I'll make a nice little table here.
Function, mac OS command, braille connect command,
Previous word, option left arrow, space+dot1,
next word, option right arrow, space+dot4,
Previous paragraph, option up arrow, space+dot2,
next paragraph, option down arrow, space+dot5,
beginning of line, control right arrow, space+dot3,
end of line, control right arrow, space+dot6,
go to top, command up arrow, space+1+2+3, 
go to bottom, command down arrow, space+dot4+dot5+dot6.

I don't know anything about the brailleno control surface, but it wouldn't be 
hard to put previous and next letter on dots 1 and 4, then move everything else 
outward and put next and previous paragraph on dots 23 and 56.

If you don't normally use these commands, make yourself a reply to this 
message, type some text and then practice going word by word, paragraph by 
paragraph, top and bottom.  Watch what happens on your brailleno as you 
navigate with mac OS10 keyboard shortcuts.  It shows you the information you 
need without having to interact.  Here I am at the bottom of a message I typed, 
and if I want to go to the top I press command up arrow.  The braille display 
says hum, because that's the first word I typed.  To get back here and continue 
typing I skim the message paragraraph by paragraph til I get beck to my 
signature.

I'm not interacting with the edit box that I'm using to type this message.  The 
reason is that I don't have a need to interact.  I can edit without, but while 
I'm not interacting, I can also decide to quickly jump over to the cc field and 
copy this message to apple accessibility. Or, I can be monitoring two parts of 
the screen at once, making a change in one area and observing how that change 
effects another area.

As I look around for ways to add more features to my braille controller, it 
strikes me that there are no provisions for mac OS10 commands.  There are 
hundreds of voiceover commands to choose from, including the ability to run 
scrips from braille keys and all sorts of business, but if voiceover doesn't do 
it, neither does the braille display.  I think this is a serious oversight that 
needs to be corrected, because mac OS itself has a lot to offer in terms of 
keyboard functionality.

Of course,  I'm still screaming for grade two braille input and some other 
things.  It will be interesting to see what OS10.7 offers us in terms of 
braille functionality.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
1-888-255-5194
http://www.erik-burggraaf.com

On 2010-11-10, at 11:26 PM, Allison Manzino wrote:

> Hi Erik,
> 
> I have the same trouble on the Braillino. What is the space plus D 1 2 and 3? 
> I'm confused. I saw it in the dialog you spoke of appearing in the VoiceOver 
> Braille panel,  but I don't understand how to assign keys without interacting 
> with the text. I understand what you want, and I think it's a great idea. I 
> hope you can create something that will work like that. I know when I 
> proofread my messages with the Braillino, I have to interact with the message 
> by pressing VO shift down arrow, and then I can use the controls on the 
> Braillino to scroll line by line and correct spelling mistakes typos etc. I 
> hope this 

RE: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Frank Ventura]

Cool, where can we find the release notes. I would be interested in
hearing what the VO fixes are. The upgrade on my MBP went smoothly this
morning.
Frank

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Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 4:50 PM
To: Macvisionaries
Subject: OS 10.65 is available for download

Hi list,

The update to Mac OSX 10.65 is available.  The even mention some
voiceover fixes in the release notes. lol

hth

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Getting additional information from the Airport status menu

[Esther]

Hi Geoff,

You wrote in another thread on WiFi stability:

As you probably discovered from ascertaining the ip address, under  
system prefferences -> network,  there's a box labeled "Show AirPort  
status in menu bar".  When checked, you can see information by either  
via trackpad commander by double tapping the top with two fingers and  
locating "airport" a little right of center near the top, or via the  
keyboard by pressing vo-m-m and vo-arrow to thae airport menu (yet  
another illistration why I almost always use trackpad commander, but I  
digress).


Anyway, I read documentation indicating that one can press option- 
click in order to expose a menu that shows information such as  
throughput and channel number.  I tried routing the mouse pointer,  
disabling trackpad commander and pressing option-click, however it  
only brought focus to the application.  Perhaps there's another way to  
simulate an option-click in vo so as to expose this menu?



Like many things, this is in the archives .  See Barry Hadder's  
tip on extra status menus in SL, which I've pasted in below.

http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg08864.html

"I found an interesting way to get extra airport status information. I  
wanted to post this because I believe that it is new to sl. Open the  
status menu with vo-m twice. Hold down the option key as you left or  
right arrow over the airport menu icon. Now release the option key and  
arrow down through the menu. This can be done on many of the other  
menus such as volume, mobileme, etc."


In fact, this was not new to Snow Leopard; it also works in Leopard,  
but is a neat feature. And you can navigate to the status menu bar any  
way you like, but you should have the Option key pressed before you  
right or left arrow to the AirPort status menu if you want the  
additional information displayed.  Let us know whether this works for  
you.


Cheers,

Esther

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RE: Reading word by word or character by character

[Frank Ventura]

Hi Colin, no the user I am working with does not have a braille display.

Frank

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Colin M
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:41 AM
To: macvisionaries group
Cc: Colin M
Subject: Fwd: Reading word by word or character by character

 

Hi Frank!

Me again, just in case that vo+space does not work in the vo help menu
at all!

If you vo+space on something in the help menu like for example label
item it will execute that command!

I think you do not use braille like me because I presume they can feel
how a word is spelt in that menu :]

hth Colin

 

Begin forwarded message:





From: Colin M 

Date: 11 November 2010 13:48:25 GMT

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Cc: Colin M 

Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character

 

Hi Frank!
When you are inside the rooter the spelling thing will not or!
So unfortunately when you are on something you need to know the spelling
of, you vo+space first to take you out of the rooter then you can use
the quick nav things or just interact with that text and then you can
arrow through it!
hth Colin
On 11 Nov 2010, at 13:26, Frank Ventura wrote:




Hi Anne, that trick works for me in the regular menu bar (for example if

I press VO plus M). However it doesn't seem to work in a
VoiceOver menu.

For example if I press VO plus U (in Safari)  and then press
LEFT ARROW

plus UP ARROW it only pings at me. It doesn't seem to work in
the VVO

help menu either. Am I doing something wrong?

Thanks

Frank

 

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne
Robertson

Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:33 AM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character

 

Hello Frank,

 

When you have Quick Nav on, you change the rotor setting by
pressing the

left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. It will
cycle

through Navigation, Words, and Characters. These settings
control the

function of the up and down arrows in Quick Nav.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

On 11 Nov 2010, at 12:19, Frank Ventura wrote:

 

Hi Ann, thanks for the reply. I am a little unclear
though. How do I 

set the rotor to read by words or characters?

Thanks

 

 

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Anne Robertson

Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:01 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by
character

 

Hello Frank,

 

You can read word by word or character by character in
menus by 

turning Quick Nav on and setting the rotor to either
words or 

characters. You then use the up and down arrows to read
the difficult

item.

 

This also works for filenames and other pieces of
information where 

the usual VO reading commands won't work.

 

Cheers,

 

Anne

 

 

On 10 Nov 2010, at 12:27, Frank Ventura wrote:

 

Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how to
read character by 

character or word by word while ina menu? For
example if I am in 

Safari and I press VO plus U to bring up the web
rotor  and I down 

arrow to an item that is difficult to understand
how can I read the 

item word by word or character by character?

 

Thank you very much

 

Frank

 

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Re: WiFi stability issues was Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Geoff Waaler]

Hi Scott,

My wireless network hasn't dropped since I installed  10.6.5.

As you probably discovered from ascertaining the ip address, under system 
prefferences -> network,  there's a box labeled "Show AirPort status in menu 
bar".  When checked, you can see information by either via trackpad commander 
by double tapping the top with two fingers and locating "airport" a little 
right of center near the top, or via the keyboard by pressing vo-m-m and 
vo-arrow to thae airport menu (yet another illistration why I almost always use 
trackpad commander, but I digress).

Anyway, I read documentation indicating that one can press option-click in 
order to expose a menu that shows information such as throughput and channel 
number.  I tried routing the mouse pointer, disabling trackpad commander and 
pressing option-click, however it only brought focus to the application.  
Perhaps there's another way to simulate an option-click in vo so as to expose 
this menu?

Best regards.
Geoff



On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Anyone seeing stability issues with WiFi after the upgrade?  I got dropped 
> today and wasn't sure, I was solid until I applied 10.6.5.  I do use 802.1X 
> authentication.  It almost looked like the driver reset because you'd come 
> back with no signal and have to rejoin the SSID.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Also, how do you display your speed and connection signal details?  I see 
> under preferences where you can find your IP but no signal quality / speed.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Yes, looks like bluetooth braille displays are more reliable, ad they 
>> mention fixing an issue with safari, probably the crash that continuously 
>> was happening with some pages. Installed it on my first mac mini and it's 
>> working well, now I need to do my other mini and my macbook.
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> 
>>> The update to Mac OSX 10.65 is available.  The even mention some voiceover 
>>> fixes in the release notes. lol
>>> 
>>> hth
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Re: WiFi stability issues was Re: OS 10.65 is available for download

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

Hi:
So far, wifi works fine.
On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:30 AM, Scott Granados wrote:

> Anyone seeing stability issues with WiFi after the upgrade?  I got dropped 
> today and wasn't sure, I was solid until I applied 10.6.5.  I do use 802.1X 
> authentication.  It almost looked like the driver reset because you'd come 
> back with no signal and have to rejoin the SSID.
> 
> Anyone else seeing this?
> 
> Also, how do you display your speed and connection signal details?  I see 
> under preferences where you can find your IP but no signal quality / speed.
> 
> Thanks
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 5:22 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> Yes, looks like bluetooth braille displays are more reliable, ad they 
>> mention fixing an issue with safari, probably the crash that continuously 
>> was happening with some pages. Installed it on my first mac mini and it's 
>> working well, now I need to do my other mini and my macbook.
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 3:50 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi list,
>>> 
>>> The update to Mac OSX 10.65 is available.  The even mention some voiceover 
>>> fixes in the release notes. lol
>>> 
>>> hth
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garage band problem with voice over

[chad baker]

Hi maybe you guys can help me out in garage band the browser is broken.
when i interact with it bonks at me when i move up and down.
never use to do that.
i'm wondering if i should roll back.
i installed the new garage bnad fresh.

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Re: editing cells in numbers

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Greg,

To edit a cell in Numbers, you have to interact with the cell then bring the 
mouse cursor to the VO cursor and double click either with the physical mouse 
or VO-Shift-Space bar. You can then edit as normal.

When trying to read the contents of a cell letter by letter, I get the same 
jumping by two letters at a time.

Cheers,

Anne


On 11 Nov 2010, at 15:07, Greg Aikens wrote:

> Hi all,
> Is there a way to edit the contents of a cell in numbers without overwriting 
> the whole cell?  I have tried interacting and moving the cursor to the point 
> in the cell I want to edit, but whenever I start typing it deletes everything 
> that was there.  Also, the VO cursor curiously moves two words or letters at 
> a time instead of one.  
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
> Greg
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Skype 5 beta and the call window

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
I'm on a skype call and it seems like i've got a couple of interesting problems 
here.
1, i can't recieve more than one file, because it seems that Skype displays a 
conversation that i have closed, even though it's closed.
2, When i am in a call, i can only see the chat box and some images and a html 
content and a tool bar, no source list or contact list or possibility to 
manipulate conferences, like calling individual people etc.Looks like the 
window needs resizing, only i do not know how.
In need of some advise here.
/Krister

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Fwd: Reading word by word or character by character

[Colin M]

Hi Frank!
Me again, just in case that vo+space does not work in the vo help menu at all!
If you vo+space on something in the help menu like for example label item it 
will execute that command!
I think you do not use braille like me because I presume they can feel how a 
word is spelt in that menu :]
hth Colin

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Colin M 
> Date: 11 November 2010 13:48:25 GMT
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Cc: Colin M 
> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
> 
> Hi Frank!
> When you are inside the rooter the spelling thing will not or!
> So unfortunately when you are on something you need to know the spelling of, 
> you vo+space first to take you out of the rooter then you can use the quick 
> nav things or just interact with that text and then you can arrow through it!
> hth Colin
> On 11 Nov 2010, at 13:26, Frank Ventura wrote:
> 
>> Hi Anne, that trick works for me in the regular menu bar (for example if
>> I press VO plus M). However it doesn't seem to work in a VoiceOver menu.
>> For example if I press VO plus U (in Safari)  and then press LEFT ARROW
>> plus UP ARROW it only pings at me. It doesn't seem to work in the VVO
>> help menu either. Am I doing something wrong?
>> Thanks
>> Frank
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:33 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
>> 
>> Hello Frank,
>> 
>> When you have Quick Nav on, you change the rotor setting by pressing the
>> left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. It will cycle
>> through Navigation, Words, and Characters. These settings control the
>> function of the up and down arrows in Quick Nav.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 11 Nov 2010, at 12:19, Frank Ventura wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ann, thanks for the reply. I am a little unclear though. How do I 
>>> set the rotor to read by words or characters?
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:01 PM
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
>>> 
>>> Hello Frank,
>>> 
>>> You can read word by word or character by character in menus by 
>>> turning Quick Nav on and setting the rotor to either words or 
>>> characters. You then use the up and down arrows to read the difficult
>> item.
>>> 
>>> This also works for filenames and other pieces of information where 
>>> the usual VO reading commands won't work.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2010, at 12:27, Frank Ventura wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how to read character by 
 character or word by word while ina menu? For example if I am in 
 Safari and I press VO plus U to bring up the web rotor  and I down 
 arrow to an item that is difficult to understand how can I read the 
 item word by word or character by character?
 
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Re: Numbers and lag.

[Anne Robertson]

I find that the trackpad commander makes skimming through a spreadsheet in 
Numbers much more efficient.

Cheers,

Anne


On 11 Nov 2010, at 15:04, Greg Aikens wrote:

> I get a lot of studdering in numbers as well.  I'm using a mac book pro that 
> is 3 months old.  I think it is just the way VO and numbers work together 
> unfortunately.  
> 
> Greg
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Chris McCausland wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone.
>> 
>> When using Numbers on a fairly high spec IMac I get an incredible amount of 
>> slow down and lag when moving between cells.  If running down a column for 
>> example there is a lot of stutter and repetition of cell contents which 
>> makes quick skimming near on impossible.  Is this just a floor in the 
>> current version of Numbers with VO or has anybody else experienced this and 
>> found a work around?
>> 
>> Thanks.  Chris.
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editing cells in numbers

[Greg Aikens]

Hi all,
Is there a way to edit the contents of a cell in numbers without overwriting 
the whole cell?  I have tried interacting and moving the cursor to the point in 
the cell I want to edit, but whenever I start typing it deletes everything that 
was there.  Also, the VO cursor curiously moves two words or letters at a time 
instead of one.  

Any thoughts?

Thanks,
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Re: Numbers and lag.

[Greg Aikens]

I get a lot of studdering in numbers as well.  I'm using a mac book pro that is 
3 months old.  I think it is just the way VO and numbers work together 
unfortunately.  

Greg
On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:48 AM, Chris McCausland wrote:

> Hi everyone.
> 
> When using Numbers on a fairly high spec IMac I get an incredible amount of 
> slow down and lag when moving between cells.  If running down a column for 
> example there is a lot of stutter and repetition of cell contents which makes 
> quick skimming near on impossible.  Is this just a floor in the current 
> version of Numbers with VO or has anybody else experienced this and found a 
> work around?
> 
> Thanks.  Chris.
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Re: Reading word by word or character by character

[Colin M]

Hi Frank!
When you are inside the rooter the spelling thing will not or!
So unfortunately when you are on something you need to know the spelling of, 
you vo+space first to take you out of the rooter then you can use the quick nav 
things or just interact with that text and then you can arrow through it!
hth Colin
On 11 Nov 2010, at 13:26, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi Anne, that trick works for me in the regular menu bar (for example if
> I press VO plus M). However it doesn't seem to work in a VoiceOver menu.
> For example if I press VO plus U (in Safari)  and then press LEFT ARROW
> plus UP ARROW it only pings at me. It doesn't seem to work in the VVO
> help menu either. Am I doing something wrong?
> Thanks
> Frank
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:33 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
> 
> Hello Frank,
> 
> When you have Quick Nav on, you change the rotor setting by pressing the
> left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. It will cycle
> through Navigation, Words, and Characters. These settings control the
> function of the up and down arrows in Quick Nav.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 11 Nov 2010, at 12:19, Frank Ventura wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ann, thanks for the reply. I am a little unclear though. How do I 
>> set the rotor to read by words or characters?
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:01 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
>> 
>> Hello Frank,
>> 
>> You can read word by word or character by character in menus by 
>> turning Quick Nav on and setting the rotor to either words or 
>> characters. You then use the up and down arrows to read the difficult
> item.
>> 
>> This also works for filenames and other pieces of information where 
>> the usual VO reading commands won't work.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>> On 10 Nov 2010, at 12:27, Frank Ventura wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how to read character by 
>>> character or word by word while ina menu? For example if I am in 
>>> Safari and I press VO plus U to bring up the web rotor  and I down 
>>> arrow to an item that is difficult to understand how can I read the 
>>> item word by word or character by character?
>>> 
>>> Thank you very much
>>> 
>>> Frank
>>> 
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RE: Reading word by word or character by character

[Frank Ventura]

Hi Anne, that trick works for me in the regular menu bar (for example if
I press VO plus M). However it doesn't seem to work in a VoiceOver menu.
For example if I press VO plus U (in Safari)  and then press LEFT ARROW
plus UP ARROW it only pings at me. It doesn't seem to work in the VVO
help menu either. Am I doing something wrong?
Thanks
Frank

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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 7:33 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character

Hello Frank,

When you have Quick Nav on, you change the rotor setting by pressing the
left and up arrows or right and up arrows together. It will cycle
through Navigation, Words, and Characters. These settings control the
function of the up and down arrows in Quick Nav.

Cheers,

Anne


On 11 Nov 2010, at 12:19, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi Ann, thanks for the reply. I am a little unclear though. How do I 
> set the rotor to read by words or characters?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
> 
> Hello Frank,
> 
> You can read word by word or character by character in menus by 
> turning Quick Nav on and setting the rotor to either words or 
> characters. You then use the up and down arrows to read the difficult
item.
> 
> This also works for filenames and other pieces of information where 
> the usual VO reading commands won't work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 10 Nov 2010, at 12:27, Frank Ventura wrote:
> 
>> Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how to read character by 
>> character or word by word while ina menu? For example if I am in 
>> Safari and I press VO plus U to bring up the web rotor  and I down 
>> arrow to an item that is difficult to understand how can I read the 
>> item word by word or character by character?
>> 
>> Thank you very much
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
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Re: feature suggestion for braille key assignments.

[erik burggraaf]

Hi Isaac,

Actually the joystick on the bc emulates movement of the voiceover keys by 
default which is not the same thing.

If you want to change it so that the joystick emulates the arrows, do the 
following.
Press control option f8.
Press b, or arrow down to braille.
VO right to the displays tab and press vo space on it.
Tab to the assign commands button and press space bar.
Arrow down the table until you get one of the joystick commands.  My first one 
is joystick left so I'll use that one.  On yours it tells you joystick left is 
the move left command.
Press space bar and a menu will pop up.
Arrow down to braille and press right arrow.
Arrow down to map braille key to left arrow key and press enter.
Repeat until you have all of the left, right, up, and down joysick positions 
set to map braille key left, right, up, and down arrows respectively.

Hope this helps,

Erik Burggraaf
User support consultant,
One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in person,
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On 2010-11-11, at 12:34 AM, ISAAC OBIE wrote:

> Erik,
> Interesting comments. I wish I knew more about all this, but I just bought a 
> big bc40 the other day so I've got a bit of learning to do. but isn't the 
> joystick already emulating the arrow keys? that part I am not clear on.
> Isaac
> - Original Message - From: "erik burggraaf" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 10:23 AM
> Subject: feature suggestion for braille key assignments.
> 
> 
>> Hi,  I'm just hacking my braille connect to try and maximize the controller 
>> options and make it more comfortable for me to use as a full braille 
>> controller.
>> 
>> I want it to emulate my computer.  For example, I have reset the joystick on 
>> the bc32 so that it performs the functions of the up down left and right 
>> arrow keys, as opposed to the standard move lest right up and down.
>> 
>> Now, what I would appreciate and find most helpful is if I could have a new 
>> custom key dialog box added to the custom menu of the key assignments.
>> 
>> I'm not really sure what to call this great dialog box, since custom is 
>> already taken by the menu, but it would work like this.  You input a key on 
>> the key board, the up arrow for example.  Then you have checkboxes for each 
>> of the command, option, control, and fn keys.  You check the appropriate 
>> combination of modifier keys.  I want command up arrow assigned to 
>> space+d1+d2+d3 for example.
>> 
>> Command up arrow and command down arrow are the standard mac OS keyboard 
>> shortcuts to take me to the top and bottom of a text area such as this edit 
>> box where I am typing a message.  I'm just typing along, not interacting or 
>> any of that nonsense and if I want to read what I've written from the top I 
>> can press command up arrow to go to the beginning of what I've just typed, 
>> and then I can either read line by line with the arrows, Or I can read on 
>> the display.  So, I like command up arrow and command down arrow, and I just 
>> want to tell my braille controller that when I press space+d1+d2+d3, or 
>> space+d4+d5+d6, it means do that thing.  I feel the same way about option up 
>> and down arrow, option left and right arrow, and control left and right 
>> arrow.  Or how about tab, command tab, shift tab and command shift tab.
>> 
>> I have fiddled with a lot of navigation key assignments that should emulate 
>> what I want, but the fact of the matter is, they all rely on interacting 
>> with each and every object in order to work effectively.  I wouldn't 
>> normally interact with things more than %10 or %15 of the time, mostly 
>> scroll areas or html frames or some issues involving group mode on the web.  
>> Interacting with every single item on the screen to make it work defeats the 
>> power and purpose of interacting and so I only do when it's called for.  In 
>> braille display world, I currently have to interact with every object I am 
>> working on to make it behave which is obnoxious and could be completely 
>> avoidable by allowing a braille controller to more closely emulate the 
>> computer.
>> 
>> best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> User support consultant,
>> One on one access technology support and training over the phone or in 
>> person,
>> 1-888-255-5194
>> http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
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Re: Reading word by word or character by character

[Anne Robertson]

Hello Frank,

When you have Quick Nav on, you change the rotor setting by pressing the left 
and up arrows or right and up arrows together. It will cycle through 
Navigation, Words, and Characters. These settings control the function of the 
up and down arrows in Quick Nav.

Cheers,

Anne


On 11 Nov 2010, at 12:19, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi Ann, thanks for the reply. I am a little unclear though. How do I set
> the rotor to read by words or characters?
> Thanks
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
> Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:01 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character
> 
> Hello Frank,
> 
> You can read word by word or character by character in menus by turning
> Quick Nav on and setting the rotor to either words or characters. You
> then use the up and down arrows to read the difficult item.
> 
> This also works for filenames and other pieces of information where the
> usual VO reading commands won't work.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> 
> On 10 Nov 2010, at 12:27, Frank Ventura wrote:
> 
>> Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how to read character by 
>> character or word by word while ina menu? For example if I am in 
>> Safari and I press VO plus U to bring up the web rotor  and I down 
>> arrow to an item that is difficult to understand how can I read the 
>> item word by word or character by character?
>> 
>> Thank you very much
>> 
>> Frank
>> 
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RE: Reading word by word or character by character

[Frank Ventura]

Hi Ann, thanks for the reply. I am a little unclear though. How do I set
the rotor to read by words or characters?
Thanks


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[mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2010 12:01 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Reading word by word or character by character

Hello Frank,

You can read word by word or character by character in menus by turning
Quick Nav on and setting the rotor to either words or characters. You
then use the up and down arrows to read the difficult item.

This also works for filenames and other pieces of information where the
usual VO reading commands won't work.

Cheers,

Anne


On 10 Nov 2010, at 12:27, Frank Ventura wrote:

> Hi all I was wondering if anyone knows how to read character by 
> character or word by word while ina menu? For example if I am in 
> Safari and I press VO plus U to bring up the web rotor  and I down 
> arrow to an item that is difficult to understand how can I read the 
> item word by word or character by character?
> 
> Thank you very much
> 
> Frank
> 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Victor Stream with Windows 7 under vmware.

[Eric Oyen]

hmmm.
I was thinking that a few hundred of us all show up at their corporate offices 
and quietly (and politely) request that they have a word with us. it certainly 
would get their attention.

-Eric

On Nov 11, 2010, at 2:33 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Yeah, that should work.  I'm told that HW is aware of the issues authorizing 
> the Stream to play audible books using the Mac.  I don't want to start 
> needless speculation here, but, I reckon it sure would be nice if Humanware 
> would finally come out with a solution which would allow Mac users to 
> natively authorize the Stream to play audible.com books without having to go 
> in to blasted windows.
> 
> Perhaps we should politely gang up on them?
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
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> On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
> 
>> Thanks so much for this. However, How would she get the stream authorized to 
>> run audible books if we can't get it working? Should we authorize it on 
>> another windows machine, then we could just move all the downloaded audible 
>> files to the card manually through the finder? WOuld that work? Thanks again.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it might be vmware, since I had the same thing happen with windows 
>>> XP. My suggestion for audible is to simply use a card reader, and liet 
>>> itunes handle the downloading of the audible content.
>>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>> 
 Hey folks. A friend of mine has an MBP 13-inch with Snowleopard, VM Ware, 
 and Windows 7. She needs to plug her stream in via windows in order to be 
 able to move audible books to it using the audible manager. When I plug 
 the stream into the computer, I get the dialog asking me if I want to 
 connect to mac or windows. I choose windows, but nothing happens: no alert 
 sound, no nothing. I've tried this with 2 separate streams on 2 separate 
 machines running the same setup. Even when the stream is plugged in and I 
 try to go to the connect USB submenu, the stream does not appear. Several 
 questions come to mind.
 
 1. Is this a windows 7 or vmware problem, or both? I know that windows 7 
 users can access the stream no problem, but I wonder if the vm ware layer 
 is adding extra problems.
 
 2. If the stream is a complete no go, is there a way to load the audible 
 books and authorization on the memory card? This individual is very 
 irritated about the fact that this won't work. If anyone can help, I'd 
 really appreciated. You guys rock.
 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Victor Stream with Windows 7 under vmware.

[Nicolai Svendsen]

Hi!

I agree with that. After that, we just need Stream Companion for Mac OS X and 
we're good to go.

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On Nov 11, 2010, at 10:33 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

> Yeah, that should work.  I'm told that HW is aware of the issues authorizing 
> the Stream to play audible books using the Mac.  I don't want to start 
> needless speculation here, but, I reckon it sure would be nice if Humanware 
> would finally come out with a solution which would allow Mac users to 
> natively authorize the Stream to play audible.com books without having to go 
> in to blasted windows.
> 
> Perhaps we should politely gang up on them?
> 
> 
> Sincerely, 
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype Name:
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> On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
> 
>> Thanks so much for this. However, How would she get the stream authorized to 
>> run audible books if we can't get it working? Should we authorize it on 
>> another windows machine, then we could just move all the downloaded audible 
>> files to the card manually through the finder? WOuld that work? Thanks again.
>> 
>> Kevin
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>> 
>>> I think it might be vmware, since I had the same thing happen with windows 
>>> XP. My suggestion for audible is to simply use a card reader, and liet 
>>> itunes handle the downloading of the audible content.
>>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>>> 
 Hey folks. A friend of mine has an MBP 13-inch with Snowleopard, VM Ware, 
 and Windows 7. She needs to plug her stream in via windows in order to be 
 able to move audible books to it using the audible manager. When I plug 
 the stream into the computer, I get the dialog asking me if I want to 
 connect to mac or windows. I choose windows, but nothing happens: no alert 
 sound, no nothing. I've tried this with 2 separate streams on 2 separate 
 machines running the same setup. Even when the stream is plugged in and I 
 try to go to the connect USB submenu, the stream does not appear. Several 
 questions come to mind.
 
 1. Is this a windows 7 or vmware problem, or both? I know that windows 7 
 users can access the stream no problem, but I wonder if the vm ware layer 
 is adding extra problems.
 
 2. If the stream is a complete no go, is there a way to load the audible 
 books and authorization on the memory card? This individual is very 
 irritated about the fact that this won't work. If anyone can help, I'd 
 really appreciated. You guys rock.
 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: Victor Stream with Windows 7 under vmware.

[Ray Foret Jr]

Yeah, that should work.  I'm told that HW is aware of the issues authorizing 
the Stream to play audible books using the Mac.  I don't want to start needless 
speculation here, but, I reckon it sure would be nice if Humanware would 
finally come out with a solution which would allow Mac users to natively 
authorize the Stream to play audible.com books without having to go in to 
blasted windows.

Perhaps we should politely gang up on them?


Sincerely, 
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now A Very Proud and very happy Mac user!!!

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barefootedray

On Nov 11, 2010, at 1:57 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Thanks so much for this. However, How would she get the stream authorized to 
> run audible books if we can't get it working? Should we authorize it on 
> another windows machine, then we could just move all the downloaded audible 
> files to the card manually through the finder? WOuld that work? Thanks again.
> 
> Kevin
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> I think it might be vmware, since I had the same thing happen with windows 
>> XP. My suggestion for audible is to simply use a card reader, and liet 
>> itunes handle the downloading of the audible content.
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. A friend of mine has an MBP 13-inch with Snowleopard, VM Ware, 
>>> and Windows 7. She needs to plug her stream in via windows in order to be 
>>> able to move audible books to it using the audible manager. When I plug the 
>>> stream into the computer, I get the dialog asking me if I want to connect 
>>> to mac or windows. I choose windows, but nothing happens: no alert sound, 
>>> no nothing. I've tried this with 2 separate streams on 2 separate machines 
>>> running the same setup. Even when the stream is plugged in and I try to go 
>>> to the connect USB submenu, the stream does not appear. Several questions 
>>> come to mind.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is this a windows 7 or vmware problem, or both? I know that windows 7 
>>> users can access the stream no problem, but I wonder if the vm ware layer 
>>> is adding extra problems.
>>> 
>>> 2. If the stream is a complete no go, is there a way to load the audible 
>>> books and authorization on the memory card? This individual is very 
>>> irritated about the fact that this won't work. If anyone can help, I'd 
>>> really appreciated. You guys rock.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
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Re: Victor Stream with Windows 7 under vmware.

[Eric Oyen]

Kevin,
what version of vmware you looking at here?
some versions had problems with supporting USB devices from the host system 
(especially on the old server platforms). I haven't used any of the new vmware 
products so, I am not exactly qualified on them. 

The problem I see here is that if you get the streams on another machine and 
try to play them on yours, you don't have the DRM key on that machine, hence a 
failure of the files to play. I haven't messed with audible streams/files yet. 
I am still fighting a linux laptop to find why it has a memory leak in a system 
service.

still, if you have itunes on both windows and OS X, it shouldn't be hard to 
stream them from one to the other (itunes can do streaming servers, though I 
have never set up one).

come to think of it, I might try that here just to see if I can do it.

-Eric

On Nov 11, 2010, at 12:57 AM, Kevin Reeves wrote:

> Thanks so much for this. However, How would she get the stream authorized to 
> run audible books if we can't get it working? Should we authorize it on 
> another windows machine, then we could just move all the downloaded audible 
> files to the card manually through the finder? WOuld that work? Thanks again.
> 
> Kevin
> On Nov 10, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
> 
>> I think it might be vmware, since I had the same thing happen with windows 
>> XP. My suggestion for audible is to simply use a card reader, and liet 
>> itunes handle the downloading of the audible content.
>> On Nov 10, 2010, at 10:30 PM, Kevin Reeves wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey folks. A friend of mine has an MBP 13-inch with Snowleopard, VM Ware, 
>>> and Windows 7. She needs to plug her stream in via windows in order to be 
>>> able to move audible books to it using the audible manager. When I plug the 
>>> stream into the computer, I get the dialog asking me if I want to connect 
>>> to mac or windows. I choose windows, but nothing happens: no alert sound, 
>>> no nothing. I've tried this with 2 separate streams on 2 separate machines 
>>> running the same setup. Even when the stream is plugged in and I try to go 
>>> to the connect USB submenu, the stream does not appear. Several questions 
>>> come to mind.
>>> 
>>> 1. Is this a windows 7 or vmware problem, or both? I know that windows 7 
>>> users can access the stream no problem, but I wonder if the vm ware layer 
>>> is adding extra problems.
>>> 
>>> 2. If the stream is a complete no go, is there a way to load the audible 
>>> books and authorization on the memory card? This individual is very 
>>> irritated about the fact that this won't work. If anyone can help, I'd 
>>> really appreciated. You guys rock.
>>> 
>>> Kevin
>>> 
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