My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Jes Smith
Hi all.
As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac is 
inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers would 
either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, there 
programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as I'm 
concerned.
I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but 
now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, I 
don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints have 
been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to show us 
that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, but don't 
think it will help much.

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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. 

On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as 
 I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but 
 now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, 
 I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints 
 have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to 
 show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, 
 but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: Shredder chess impressions

2011-02-22 Thread Scott Howell
Zack,

Contacting the developer, providing resources, tell them where the issues are, 
and point out the success other developers have had in making their apps 
accessible; are ways to get movement on accessibility.
Here are some resources I provide:
Making your Apps Accessible: Resources for IOS Developers
1. The Stanford University IOS programming series includes a talk by Chris 
Fleizach from Apple that, amongother things, shows how to make even the most 
complex controls
accessible. This is on iTunes U. 
http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=395631522
2. A recent blog post by Matt Legend Gemmell on Accessibility for iPhone and 
iPad Apps. 
http://mattgemmell.com/2010/12/19/accessibility-for-iphone-and-ipad-apps
3. Apple's programming guide for making IOS Apps accessible. 
http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Introduction/Introduction.html
4. The AppleVis website (www.applevis.com) is dedicated to sharing information 
about the accessibility of IOS Apps, and offers links to other resources.
5. The Google Group named viphone is a large and active community of blind 
IOS device Users.

Good luck and all you can do is ask/encourage. 
Oh and of course point out the fact that this is a growing market segment. I do 
not have empirical  data beyond the number of list subscribers, but clearly 
there are a lot of blind and visually impaired folks purchasing iOS devices. If 
that were not the case, APple would not have invested RD into VO on the 
platform.

Scott





On Feb 21, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Zachary Kline wrote:

 Hi All,
 I was pleased to read this morning that Shreder has been made accessible with 
 VoiceOver.  This is a big-name Chess program, and so I thought I'd give the 
 full verssion a try.
 Thus far, I'm quite impressed.  I've been able to play and analyze a game, 
 try my hand at a chess puzzle, and fiddle with the game's settings among 
 other things.  I'm not sure what they might have left out of the 
 accessibility support, but i doesn't seem to be much.  I was particularly 
 impressed at the analysis mode, as there didn't seem to be any noticeable lag 
 when using it with VO.  
 So, all in all, I'm happy we have another Chess alternative.  Now, if only 
 the makers of Civilization for the iPhone would do the same thing..  grins
 Best,
 Zack.
 
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Re: system dialog

2011-02-22 Thread Cheok Cheng Ann
Yes, you are absolutely right, this happened to me a few times. As you have 
pointed out,
I had to press command f5 a few times to activate the voice over.

On 22-Feb-2011, at 3:48 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 Yeah.
 
 It seems to happen when you type or just press keys too fast. For example, 
 Voiceover will just stop talking sometimes when I'm arrowing through files 
 and folders in the finder.  Then I have to press Command F5 4 times quickly 
 to bring speech back.  same thing occurs at least 2 or 3 times a day while 
 typing.
 
 Ricardo Walker
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 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 7:36 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Yes apparently I'm very lucky since I have not had any problems with system 
 dialogs and I sure don't have problems with VOiceOver crashing. Yep, I'm 
 very lucky indeed.
 
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 lol. you are one of the very few people who have not had the issue. . I 
 know of someone and watched it happen. he was using the system voices and 
 it crashed every 30 seconds when he was trying to type a skype chat.
 
 S
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 3:22 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Hmmm, I've been running 10.6.6 since the release and I'm not having any of 
 the issues you both refer too. I only use the voices included with the 
 Mac, but not sure this matters.
 Scott
 
 
 
 
 
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 Yeah I think that this release is more unstable then 10.6.5 was and I've 
 sent apple my logs and they said first that it was my a-capella  voices 
 that were crashing but I removed them and reinstalled and it has crashed 
 only once today but twice yesterday and I have to hit vo cmd f8 then esc 
 when the training comes up. that works most of the  time. try that when 
 you have your dialogue come up next time.
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 2:50 PM, Geoff Waaler wrote:
 
 I too can confirm this.  More over, voiceOver is hanging up several 
 times a day and I need to press command-f5 four times to recover.  
 Lastly the Safari busy problem abounds.  So, IMHO 10.6.6 is the least 
 stable in my short time running MacOS.
 
 Geoff
 
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 5:32 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
 
 Have had this problem a few times.  Also Voice over would not speak.  
 So my option was to force shut down the system and reboot.
 
 Kawal.
 On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:09, louie wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Some times when I go to running applications VO + F1 then VO f1 again 
 I find a system dialog. If I select the system dialog I can't get rid 
 of it. The only way to get rid of it is reboot.
 Any one having this trouble? If so how did you get rid of the system 
 dialog?
 
 louie
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Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Look, here's how I see it.  They've been telling us for about two years that 
they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box.  Every single time one 
of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the problem.  
I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote them and frankly 
said something like this:


Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility 
problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're 
aware of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your 
work?  You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak 
frankly, we are beginning  to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; 
even if you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand that, if 
we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), 
we'd better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  Yes, I think at least one 
of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on the 
table just like that.  Just one of us isn't enough.  We need to do this on a 
daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!!

Thoughts?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1

On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. 
 
 On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far 
 as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the 
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Chris Moore
Why not just get a mobile me account and use iDisk instead? Hit them where it 
hurts, their wallet and vote with your wallet 
On 22 Feb 2011, at 11:41, Ray Foret Jr wrote:

 Look, here's how I see it.  They've been telling us for about two years that 
 they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box.  Every single time 
 one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the 
 problem.  I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote 
 them and frankly said something like this:
 
 
 Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility 
 problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're 
 aware of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your 
 work?  You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak 
 frankly, we are beginning  to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; 
 even if you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand that, if 
 we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), 
 we'd better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  Yes, I think at least 
 one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on 
 the table just like that.  Just one of us isn't enough.  We need to do this 
 on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!!
 
 Thoughts?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. 
 
 On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the 
 Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, 
 developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility 
 guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and 
 white issue as far as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the 
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: Thinking of getting a server for the home.

2011-02-22 Thread Kevin Shaw
Stewart,

Run OS X Server on a Mac Mini. It is VO compatible for sure. Not sure about 
running home automation software.

Kevin

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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Thomas Byskov Dalgaard
Hi Ed!

Try to turn on smb in the sharing window in system preferences. You'll need to 
turn on  file sharing too I guess.
That worked for me.

Best regards
Thomas
Den 22/02/2011 kl. 16.22 skrev Ed Worrell:

 Hello listers,
 
 I am having trouble seeing my hard drive on the network. I have a Macbook pro 
 and am using a netgear router. with a 1 terabite hard drive by c gate and I 
 cant see it on the network. My wife can see it with her windows based laptop. 
 Why can't I see her laptop and or the hard drive on the network?
 
 Please help
 
 Thanks in advance, ED
 
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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Matthew Campbell
Make sure file sharing is turned on in system prefs and Turn on both SMB and 
AFP. SMb lets windows and linux computers see you mac's hard drive and AFP lets 
macs see the drive.

On 2011-02-22, at 10:22 AM, Ed Worrell wrote:

 Hello listers,
 
 I am having trouble seeing my hard drive on the network. I have a Macbook pro 
 and am using a netgear router. with a 1 terabite hard drive by c gate and I 
 cant see it on the network. My wife can see it with her windows based laptop. 
 Why can't I see her laptop and or the hard drive on the network?
 
 Please help
 
 Thanks in advance, ED
 
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Re: Thinking of getting a server for the home.

2011-02-22 Thread Matthew Campbell
The server snow leopard is different as far as file sharing goes. You can 
implement more strict permissions on the server that you can't implement on the 
regular mac OS X.
On 2011-02-22, at 9:00 AM, Rose Morales wrote:

 Really? What about hitting command-k and launching your Windows drives that 
 way? That's what I do on regular OS X. I also have my drives from my Windows 
 box set to run on startup. I did this through System preferences, Accounts, 
 Login Items.
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:09 AM, Matthew Campbell wrote:
 
 Hello Stuart.
 I'm using a mac mini with snow leopard server and it works amazingly well.
 I've got all of my drives shared on the network and am able to access any of 
 my files and folders that I might need on my macbook or my windows 7 netbook.
 One thing that you will need to do is to make sure all of your drives are 
 formatted in the mac os extended format or you will not be able to share 
 them. I learned this the hard way.
 I'm not sure about home automation software.
 Let me know if I can help further.
 Matthew Campbell
 On 2011-02-21, at 10:14 PM, Stuart Young wrote:
 
 Hi all
 I'm thinking of getting a mac server for my home to host all of my shared 
 media that i have in itunes, how well does mac OSX server work? as i have 
 some windows computers and they will need to share the content as well. 
 also this server will maybe used for some home automation as well does 
 anyone no of any home automation applications that work with voice over?.
 
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monitoring progress in Abby Fine

2011-02-22 Thread Greg Aikens
Hello all,
Is there any way to check the progress of a file conversion in Abby Fine Reader 
Express?  I am converting some large files and it would be helpful to know how 
much time is left or if Abby is still really working.  I have had it get stuck 
before but because I can't get any valuable info from the interface during a 
file conversion, I didn't realize until hours later.  

Thanks for any help.

Greg

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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Ed Worrell
Thanks Thomas, I tried this and I am still having no luck with seeing the hard 
drive on the network.I just don't understand why my wife's laptop can see it 
and my laptop, but I can't see her laptop or the drive... I am truely puzzled.

Thanks

ED

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iPhone list

2011-02-22 Thread Kimberly thurman
HI folks:

Would one of you lovely people be so kind as to give me the addi to subscribe 
to the iPhone list?  I have a new one and could use a bit of direction.  Thanks 
and smiles!

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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Darcy Burnard
Even if this were a good idea, I'm not sure there's anything Apple could do.  
The mac app isn't sold in the Mac Store.
Darcy

On 2011-02-22, at 7:06 AM, LaMcAs wrote:

 Ok so why don't we all email Apple with regard to this - if they have
 created an accessible OS then developers must conform to it? If we did this
 in force then may Apple can make their vendors comply?
 
 
 Larry  Elliot GD (Guide Dog)
 London, UK
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
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 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or,
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far
 as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu,
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Jes and others:
I haven't tried with Dropbox.  But, I've been following the discussion.  It 
seems to me that our US president just made a huge to-do about accessibility 
and signing the Communications bill and another ADA focused speech last July.  
We've had now occasional requests for feedback from the FCC.  It seems to me 
the time is right for bring issues like this to the attention of some of these 
people being given the responsibility of trying to improve things, so maybe 
they can apply a little pressure on developers.   Perhaps there is opportunity 
out there to change things for the better, though I'm not naive enough to think 
that will happen easily.

Carolyn H 
On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Jes Smith wrote:

 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far as 
 I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, but 
 now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And honestly, 
 I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual complaints 
 have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done nothing to 
 show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the petition, 
 but don't think it will help much.
 
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RE: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Steve Gladstone
You write:

Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility
problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're
aware

of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your work?
You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak
frankly,

we are beginning  to wonder whether or not you really actually care; even if
you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're

going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd
better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  

 

Business people don't respond well to insult and veiled threat, even if the
correspondence is well founded. Instead You might say:

  _  

Many blind and visually impaired consumers have contacted your firm with
accessibility issues regarding Drop Box. They are told, We're aware of it
and are working on it. Because your product is of high value to these
consumers, they are most interested in any progress you have made toward
making Drop Box more accessible. Could you share with this community what
specific steps you have taking so far toward accessibility?

Respectfully,

Steve

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:42 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up
of drop box

 

Look, here's how I see it.  They've been telling us for about two years that
they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box.  Every single time
one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the
problem.  I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote
them and frankly said something like this:

 



Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility
problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're
aware of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your
work?  You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak
frankly, we are beginning  to wonder wheterh or not you really actually
care; even if you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand
that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay
for it), we'd better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  Yes, I think
at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put
it out on the table just like that.  Just one of us isn't enough.  We need
to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE,
IGNORED!!!

 

Thoughts?

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

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facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 http://www.facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 

 

On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:





O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. 

On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:




Hi all.

As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac
is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers
would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or,
there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far
as I'm concerned.

I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu,
but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And
honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual
complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done
nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the
petition, but don't think it will help much.

 

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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Ed Worrell
Ok, I turned on smb but I can't find afp, where is that setting at? I am so 
confused. I could go out to the router website and click on the usb storage 
link and the drive would show up in the finder in the computer section, next to 
my hard drive on my laptop. Now it does nothing. I don't see the drive now when 
I do that.. I don't know what is going on

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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Ed Worrell
Do I have to have the hard drive plugged in to my laptop before I do any of 
this? it is plugged into my router

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fried google

2011-02-22 Thread Carolyn Haas
Hi everyone:
Google's on a roll with asking for my passwords for everything.  Started 
yesterday, and  I was still able to pull in mail.  But, it's getting more 
constant.  If I try get all new mail, up comes the password request.  Anyone 
else having this today?

Carolyn H

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Prompt in Terminal

2011-02-22 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
When I got hi Macbook Pro15 back in 2008, when I used Terminal, the prompt came 
up 
Mark-Baxter's-Mackbook-Pro !Mbaxter

Now that I've re-formatted the hard drive, reinstalled the latest oS and 
transitioned my account over, the terminal prompt still reads
Mark-Baxter's-Macbook-Pro!MBH$

Please, someone refresh me as to what the Unix command is to change the first 
part of the command line prompt?
Thanks. :)


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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Matthew Campbell
If it's plugged in to your laptop than you might have an easier time sharing it 
on the network. If you want to leave it plugged in to your router, then check 
the router's documentation because all routers are a little different and it's 
hard to help with just one router. An accepsion to this would be if it was an 
Apple router.

On 2011-02-22, at 12:54 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:

 Do I have to have the hard drive plugged in to my laptop before I do any of 
 this? it is plugged into my router
 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Ray Foret Jr
Good point.


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1

On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:33 AM, Steve Gladstone wrote:

 You write:
 
 Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility 
 problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're 
 aware
 
 of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your work?  
 You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak frankly,
 
 we are beginning  to wonder whether or not you really actually care; even if 
 you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand that, if we're
 
 going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), we'd 
 better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  
 
  
 Business people don’t respond well to insult and veiled threat, even if the 
 correspondence is well founded. Instead You might say:
 
 Many blind and visually impaired consumers have contacted your firm with 
 accessibility issues regarding Drop Box. They are told, We're aware of it 
 and are working on it. Because your product is of high value to these 
 consumers, they are most interested in any progress you have made toward 
 making Drop Box more accessible. Could you share with this community what 
 specific steps you have taking so far toward accessibility?”
 
 Respectfully,
 
 Steve
 
  
  
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
 Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:42 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of 
 drop box
 
  
 Look, here's how I see it.  They've been telling us for about two years that 
 they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box.  Every single time 
 one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the 
 problem.  I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote 
 them and frankly said something like this:
 
  
 
 
 Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility 
 problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're 
 aware of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your 
 work?  You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak 
 frankly, we are beginning  to wonder wheterh or not you really actually care; 
 even if you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand that, if 
 we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay for it), 
 we'd better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  Yes, I think at least 
 one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put it out on 
 the table just like that.  Just one of us isn't enough.  We need to do this 
 on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, IGNORED!!!
 
  
 Thoughts?
 
  
  
 Sincerely,
 
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
  
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 
 Skype name:
 
 barefootedray
 
  
 Facebook:
 
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
  
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 
 
 
 O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. 
 
 On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 
 Hi all.
 
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far 
 as I'm concerned.
 
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the 
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
  
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Re: downloadable audiobooks from public library questions

2011-02-22 Thread Christina
It looks like my library uses overdrive.  It says that I can use on an iPhone 
only if I use the overdrive software on a windows computer.  Is this true for 
WMA files?  This particular audiobook is in WMA.  I believe overdrive for 
libraries also offer some audiobooks in MP3.  Are the MP3 versions the only 
ones we can use on a mac and then transfer to an iPhone?  I'm not particularly 
interested in this audiobook but I just picked something so I can send a link 
here as someone requested.  I have not searched for a book I'd be interested in 
until I know I can do this.  :)  I figured there's no point in getting excited 
and find out that it just can't happen with a mac and an iPhone.

http://overdrive.phoenixpubliclibrary.org/BD0141BB-9A72-49EB-8D04-F4ABF0F1903A/10/262/en/ContentDetails.htm?ID=077CC986-D5E1-46F8-84ED-0A8F92C3283C

Thanks so much,
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Re: Accessible development resources for MacOs?

2011-02-22 Thread Scott Howell
Geoff,

I believe some of these resources also apply for the Mac OS as well. Apple's 
site at http://www.apple.com/accessibility may have some more specific 
resources.

Scott





On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:41 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote:

 Greetings all,
 
 Following up my previous post regarding the apparent inaccessibility of 
 Fission's selection and set play head dialogs, I reported the issue to 
 RogueAmoeba's support group.  I wanted to provide documentation from Apple 
 discussing accessibility of Snow Leopard apps, but must have been looking for 
 doc in all the wrong places.
 
 Scott's post below contains excellent information to provide when reporting 
 accessibility concerns for IOS apps, but I wonder if if our group can (or 
 already has) work up a MacOs counterpart?
 
 Best regards.
 Geoff
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:42 AM, Scott Howell wrote:
 
 Zack,
 
 Contacting the developer, providing resources, tell them where the issues 
 are, and point out the success other developers have had in making their 
 apps accessible; are ways to get movement on accessibility.
 Here are some resources I provide:
 Making your Apps Accessible: Resources for IOS Developers
 1. The Stanford University IOS programming series includes a talk by Chris 
 Fleizach from Apple that, amongother things, shows how to make even the 
 most complex controls
 accessible. This is on iTunes U. 
 http://itunes.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=395631522
 2. A recent blog post by Matt Legend Gemmell on Accessibility for iPhone 
 and iPad Apps. 
 http://mattgemmell.com/2010/12/19/accessibility-for-iphone-and-ipad-apps
 3. Apple's programming guide for making IOS Apps accessible. 
 http://developer.apple.com/library/ios/#documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/iPhoneAccessibility/Introduction/Introduction.html
 4. The AppleVis website (www.applevis.com) is dedicated to sharing 
 information about the accessibility of IOS Apps, and offers links to other 
 resources.
 5. The Google Group named viphone is a large and active community of 
 blind IOS device Users.
 
 Good luck and all you can do is ask/encourage. 
 Oh and of course point out the fact that this is a growing market segment. 
 I do not have empirical  data beyond the number of list subscribers, but 
 clearly there are a lot of blind and visually impaired folks purchasing iOS 
 devices. If that were not the case, APple would not have invested RD into 
 VO on the platform.
 
 Scott
 
 
 
 
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New User Experiencing Major Frustration

2011-02-22 Thread Christine Grassman
Hello, folks.  I am a newbie, though I've been on the viphone group
since last summer.  At long last, I own a Mac, and I'm anxious to
become as efficient a user as I was of my PC.  Alas, it is not going
as smoothly as planned.
I'm having an odd problem with my mail account set-up.  I use gmail,
and I've verified my password, but the only mail I can access within
the mail application are the messages Apple imported for me through
February 15.  I cannot get any mail subsequent to that.  All the
settings seem to be fine: I've attempted both pop.gmail.com and
imap.gmail.com; I used smtp.gmail.com; I've tried authentication with
my password or with none; I've tried removing and adding the account
(it won't remove completely), and I simply cannot get my most recent
messages, and there is a message saying my password is invalid, which
is most definitely is not, as it is working on gmail in safari. Any
thoughts as to what might be happening, or what I could try would be
appreciated.  I did try receiving new mail, but nothing. I suspect
something very simple is being overlooked. Help!  Tha

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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Scott Granados
The FCC can't apply pressure to developers, there's no relationship there.  
Developers aren't bowned by the FCC (thank god).


On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:

 Hi Jes and others:
 I haven't tried with Dropbox.  But, I've been following the discussion.  It 
 seems to me that our US president just made a huge to-do about accessibility 
 and signing the Communications bill and another ADA focused speech last July. 
  We've had now occasional requests for feedback from the FCC.  It seems to me 
 the time is right for bring issues like this to the attention of some of 
 these people being given the responsibility of trying to improve things, so 
 maybe they can apply a little pressure on developers.   Perhaps there is 
 opportunity out there to change things for the better, though I'm not naive 
 enough to think that will happen easily.
 
 Carolyn H 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far 
 as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the 
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: VO Drag and Drop

2011-02-22 Thread Sarai Bucciarelli
Hi:
Yep, that is what I do, and I have it set to sync selected items, and manually 
manage music. I can copy and paste albums of music, but not playlists. It's 
weird.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:54 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 I can't speak for the iPod nano but, I can copy and paste just fine on my 
 iPhone.  I've never tried copying and pasting a entire playlist granted.  
 But, you really don't have to on an iPod touch or iPhone.  Just set up your 
 device to only sync selected artist and playlists.  Then, all you have to do 
 is select the playlist you want from the list.  This is found under the music 
 tab when your IOS device is connected.  Again, I'm only speaking for the 
 iPhone, iPod touch, and iPad.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 8:19 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 All:
 I'm trying to manually drag and drop my iTunes playlists to my iPod/iPhone 
 b/c copying and pasting won't work. Here is what I'm doing, and I'll outline 
 where the problem is occurring.
 
 Duplication Steps:
 1.Using VO navigation commands, I move to the iTem I want to drag.
 2. I press VO Command F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO location. When I 
 press VO F5 to varify what is under the mouse, It says nothing is under the 
 mouse, even though when I moved the mouse, it said I was on my playlist.
 3. I press VO command shift space to start the drag. I hear the appropriate 
 mouse click sound.
 4. VO Shift F3 turns off curser tracking.
 5. Move to my ipod.
 6. Press VO command F5 to move the mouse cursor to vo curser. When I press 
 vo F5 to hear what is under curser, it says nothing is under cursor.
 7. Pressing vo command shift space releases the mouse. I hear the 
 appropriate mouse click sound.
 
 8. Turn off cursor tracking by pressing vo shift f3.
 So basically I'm being told nothing is under my mouse. 
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Re: Prompt in Terminal

2011-02-22 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
I believe this is in the sharing preferences as the computer name, but you can 
change your prompt in a .bashrc file in your home directory.

Look for the bash manuals and search for PS1 or prompt for how to customize 
this.

Jon

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On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 When I got hi Macbook Pro15 back in 2008, when I used Terminal, the prompt 
 came up 
 Mark-Baxter's-Mackbook-Pro !Mbaxter
 
 Now that I've re-formatted the hard drive, reinstalled the latest oS and 
 transitioned my account over, the terminal prompt still reads
 Mark-Baxter's-Macbook-Pro!MBH$
 
 Please, someone refresh me as to what the Unix command is to change the first 
 part of the command line prompt?
 Thanks. :)
 
 
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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
Hmm,  a brief discussion of client server seems to be in order here...

1. The server is where the disk you are trying to connect to is attached.  
Please provide us as much detail about this system as possible,.
2. The Client is your Macintosh and your wife's WIndows 7 system if I 
understand your requirements.

If this is the case:
then you should not need to adjust the sharing settings on either your 
Windows machine or your Macintosh. 

Now you will need to configure your server which it sounds like is the same as 
your router.  It should have an area to provide which ethernet ports can see 
your shared drive (You don't want some body in Russia or Pakistan for example 
to find your disk and start using it.

So again the questions are:
1. What is your server product and version.
2. How is the disk drive formatted.
3. What protocols do you see supported by the router / server.

HTH

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Re: fried google

2011-02-22 Thread Jonathan C. Cohn
The password prompt in mail when accessing POP accounts appears a bit too 
frequently.  If the server rejects your login for any reason (too many people 
logged in, account locked, already connected to this account on a different 
computer) the Mail application gives the same message.  If one tested the POP 
account manually  then one would probably get a better answer to what is going 
on.

I believe that   the fetchmail program would help with this, but I don't know 
if it is part of the default Macintosh distribution...

operations-center:~ joncohn$ fetchmail --help 
usage:  fetchmail [options] [server ...]
  Options are as follows:
  -?, --helpdisplay this option help
  -V, --version display version info
  -c, --check   check for messages without fetching
  -s, --silent  work silently
  -v, --verbose work noisily (diagnostic output)
  -d, --daemon  run as a daemon once per n seconds
  -N, --nodetachdon't detach daemon process
  -q, --quitkill daemon process
  -L, --logfile specify logfile name
  --syslog  use syslog(3) for most messages when running as a daemon
  --invisible   don't write Received  enable host spoofing
  -f, --fetchmailrc specify alternate run control file
  -i, --idfile  specify alternate UIDs file
  --pidfile specify alternate PID (lock) file
  --postmaster  specify recipient of last resort
  --nobounceredirect bounces from user to postmaster.
  --nosoftbounce fetchmail deletes permanently undeliverable messages.
  --softbounce  keep permanently undeliverable messages on server (default).
  --ssl enable ssl encrypted session
  --sslkey  ssl private key file
  --sslcert ssl client certificate
  --sslcertck   do strict server certificate check (recommended)
  --sslcertpath path to ssl certificates
  --sslcommonname  expect this CommonName from server (discouraged)
  --sslfingerprint fingerprint that must match that of the server's cert.
  --sslprotoforce ssl protocol (SSL2/SSL3/TLS1)
  --plugin  specify external command to open connection
  --plugout specify external command to open smtp connection
  -p, --protocolspecify retrieval protocol (see man page)
  -U, --uidlforce the use of UIDLs (pop3 only)
  --portTCP port to connect to (obsolete, use --service)
  -P, --service TCP service to connect to (can be numeric TCP port)
  --authauthentication type (password/kerberos/ssh/otp)
  -t, --timeout server nonresponse timeout
  -E, --envelopeenvelope address header
  -Q, --qvirtualprefix to remove from local user id
  --principal   mail service principal
  --tracepolls  add poll-tracing information to Received header
  -u, --usernamespecify users's login on server
  -a, --[fetch]all  retrieve old and new messages
  -K, --nokeep  delete new messages after retrieval
  -k, --keepsave new messages after retrieval
  -F, --flush   delete old messages from server
  --limitflush  delete oversized messages
  -n, --norewrite   don't rewrite header addresses
  -l, --limit   don't fetch messages over given size
  -w, --warningsinterval between warning mail notification
  -S, --smtphostset SMTP forwarding host
  --fetchdomains fetch mail for specified domains
  -D, --smtpaddress set SMTP delivery domain to use
  --smtpnameset SMTP full name username@domain
  -Z, --antispam,   set antispam response values
  -b, --batchlimit  set batch limit for SMTP connections
  -B, --fetchlimit  set fetch limit for server connections
  --fetchsizelimit set fetch message size limit
  --fastuidldo a binary search for UIDLs
  -e, --expunge set max deletions between expunges
  -m, --mda set MDA to use for forwarding
  --bsmtp   set output BSMTP file
  --lmtpuse LMTP (RFC2033) for delivery
  -r, --folder  specify remote folder name
  --showdotsshow progress dots even in logfiles
operations-center:~ joncohn$ 


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On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 No.
 
 my gmail has been behaving.  But my hotmail?  Oh hotmail. :(. I get prompted 
 for my password for it from Apple Mail like every other day.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:55 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi everyone:
 Google's on a roll with asking for my passwords for everything.  Started 
 yesterday, and  I was still able to pull in mail.  But, it's getting more 
 constant.  If I try get all new mail, up comes the password request.  
 Anyone else having this today?
 
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Re: my mail new message window looks funny., and another issue.

2011-02-22 Thread Jürgen Fleger
Hi Sarah,

I see only one chance: Delete the file
Users / Your User / Library / preferences / com.apple.mail.plist

After deleting all accounts and settings are also deleted. So you could cut the 
file and move it to another folder, just in case you want to restore the 
settings and the accounts. If so you need to move the file back to that folder.

Does it work?

Jürgen


Am 21.02.2011 um 22:47 schrieb Sarah Alawami:

 Hello. I just reset my vo prefs and my mail is still doing the same odd 
 thing. I dunno what's going on here but i'm getting frustrated!
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 are you sure that Mail is the problem? Does VoiceOver behave normally in 
 other programms? You could try to import your backup of VoiceOver settings.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 21.02.2011 um 09:05 schrieb Sarah Alawami:
 
 Hello to all.
 
 my mail message window when I start a new message looks funny. I see when I 
 vo to then edit then customize headers then edit, edit. I can tab and it 
 looks right but it doesn't read the labels even when I hit enter to jump 
 between fields. Here is a screenshot of what I hope I mean.
 
 http://bit.ly/gbB48h
 
 Take care all and I really want this fixed. I tried reinstalling the update 
 combo to fix this but no go.
 
 S
 
 pls.  Now when I read  or try and read the message table I get blank blank 
 blank and when I vo left it looks semi normal. what's going on!
 
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Massimo
In data Martedì 22 Febbraio 2011 10.17.11, Ricardo Walker 
rwalker...@gmail.com ha scritto:

If you were the CEO of apple, they'd be broke. :).  I know its hard for us to 
sit by and just take but, I think Apple has done all they can as for 
accessibility in regards to this.  Its up to the app developers to do their 
part.  Apple shouldn't be forced to play the accessibility police.


Agreed, Ricardo. But, there is something apple can do. Why don't ask the 
app-devs to fill in informations about the accessibility of their apps? 
Something like: fully accessible, partially accessible, not accessible, 
accessibility not tested? It may make devs aware that something like 
accessibility does exist! :-)


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Re: my mail new message window looks funny., and another issue.

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
Did that. No go. 

On 22/02/2011, at 12:26, Jürgen Fleger apple-engl...@fleger.net wrote:

 Hi Sarah,
 
 I see only one chance: Delete the file
 Users / Your User / Library / preferences / com.apple.mail.plist
 
 After deleting all accounts and settings are also deleted. So you could cut 
 the file and move it to another folder, just in case you want to restore the 
 settings and the accounts. If so you need to move the file back to that 
 folder.
 
 Does it work?
 
 Jürgen
 
 
 Am 21.02.2011 um 22:47 schrieb Sarah Alawami:
 
 Hello. I just reset my vo prefs and my mail is still doing the same odd 
 thing. I dunno what's going on here but i'm getting frustrated!
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 are you sure that Mail is the problem? Does VoiceOver behave normally in 
 other programms? You could try to import your backup of VoiceOver settings.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 21.02.2011 um 09:05 schrieb Sarah Alawami:
 
 Hello to all.
 
 my mail message window when I start a new message looks funny. I see when 
 I vo to then edit then customize headers then edit, edit. I can tab and it 
 looks right but it doesn't read the labels even when I hit enter to jump 
 between fields. Here is a screenshot of what I hope I mean.
 
 http://bit.ly/gbB48h
 
 Take care all and I really want this fixed. I tried reinstalling the 
 update combo to fix this but no go.
 
 S
 
 pls.  Now when I read  or try and read the message table I get blank blank 
 blank and when I vo left it looks semi normal. what's going on!
 
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Re: Problem with seeing network hard drive

2011-02-22 Thread Matthew Campbell
AFP is in the same area that you found SMB at under sharing in system prefs.

On 2011-02-22, at 12:44 PM, Ed Worrell wrote:

 Ok, I turned on smb but I can't find afp, where is that setting at? I am so 
 confused. I could go out to the router website and click on the usb storage 
 link and the drive would show up in the finder in the computer section, next 
 to my hard drive on my laptop. Now it does nothing. I don't see the drive now 
 when I do that.. I don't know what is going on
 
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Re: fried google

2011-02-22 Thread carolyn Haas
Hello Ricardo:
Yes, that too here.  Interesting my iPad and iPhone aren't having the issue 
this time.  Now everything seems to be working but the hotmail related account. 
 (courtesy of Qwest:(

Luckily, it's mostly my spam address.:)
Thanks for the feedback.

Carolyn
On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:15 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 No.
 
 my gmail has been behaving.  But my hotmail?  Oh hotmail. :(. I get prompted 
 for my password for it from Apple Mail like every other day.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:55 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi everyone:
 Google's on a roll with asking for my passwords for everything.  Started 
 yesterday, and  I was still able to pull in mail.  But, it's getting more 
 constant.  If I try get all new mail, up comes the password request.  
 Anyone else having this today?
 
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Re: New User Experiencing Major Frustration

2011-02-22 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Christine: 
Check out your gmail settings.  There are a number of checkboxes that tell 
applemail which messages to bring in from the server.  I don't recall their 
exact configuration off hand.  But, I know they specifically tell your mail 
client which messages to bring in.

Let me know if you need any help finding it and I'll look further.

Take care, and welcome.

Carolyn H
On Feb 22, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

 Hello, folks.  I am a newbie, though I've been on the viphone group
 since last summer.  At long last, I own a Mac, and I'm anxious to
 become as efficient a user as I was of my PC.  Alas, it is not going
 as smoothly as planned.
 I'm having an odd problem with my mail account set-up.  I use gmail,
 and I've verified my password, but the only mail I can access within
 the mail application are the messages Apple imported for me through
 February 15.  I cannot get any mail subsequent to that.  All the
 settings seem to be fine: I've attempted both pop.gmail.com and
 imap.gmail.com; I used smtp.gmail.com; I've tried authentication with
 my password or with none; I've tried removing and adding the account
 (it won't remove completely), and I simply cannot get my most recent
 messages, and there is a message saying my password is invalid, which
 is most definitely is not, as it is working on gmail in safari. Any
 thoughts as to what might be happening, or what I could try would be
 appreciated.  I did try receiving new mail, but nothing. I suspect
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Re: fried google

2011-02-22 Thread Kimberly thurman
Yeah, my hotmail is doing the same thing.  Ugh!  Drives me nuts.   
On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 No.
 
 my gmail has been behaving.  But my hotmail?  Oh hotmail. :(. I get prompted 
 for my password for it from Apple Mail like every other day.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:55 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi everyone:
 Google's on a roll with asking for my passwords for everything.  Started 
 yesterday, and  I was still able to pull in mail.  But, it's getting more 
 constant.  If I try get all new mail, up comes the password request.  
 Anyone else having this today?
 
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Re: downloadable audiobooks from public library questions

2011-02-22 Thread Esther
Hi Christina,

I think you're referring to downloading audiobooks using the OverDrive Media 
Console software.  I haven't used this for library downloads for some time 
because available titles for download seem to be limited at my library in 
recent years due to state budget cuts.  I have had more success requesting 
audiobook CDs from my library, and ripping those for listening.  However, the 
process is quite accessible.  There are two types of OverDrive Media books that 
are carried in downloadable format.  The WMA protected formats can only be 
downloaded on a Windows computer with the version of OverDrive Media Console 
for Windows, and the Windows update to support the copy protection scheme in 
effect. Of these, a subset may be transferred to the iPhone or iPod if the 
publisher permits it.  Some libraries now maintain a separate link for for 
iPod-Compatible audiobooks, which includes those WMA titles that can be 
transferred to an iPod or iPhone and the MP3 titles that can all be transferred 
to an iPod or iPhone, and which all can be downloaded and played on a Mac, as 
well as on a Windows PC.

Before you download an audiobook, you install the OverDrive software (and, in 
the case of Windows machines, including installations on a Bootcamp partition 
on your Mac, and I believe also through VMWare virtual machines, you may need 
to install additional copy protection software).  When you check out a library 
downloadable audiobook, you download a small file with the name of the book and 
a .odm extension (which are the initials for OverDrive Media). This file 
sets the permission to play the book that you borrow for the fixed period in 
the OverDrive software.  It is specific to your machine, and you cannot move it 
(or the audiobook files) to another machine and expect to play the files.  Once 
you download and open this file, an entry for the audiobook will appear in the 
OverDrive Media Console, and you will have options in a dialog window to 
download any number of parts. (Although the files are compressed MP3 files, 
there will be 1 part for each of the original CDs).  There are menu bar 
options, and a number of shortcuts for playing and navigating through the 
Audiobook using the OverDrive Media Player (a separate window). This interface 
is very nice, with options to control playback speed, set bookmarks, etc.  The 
actual MP3 files gets downloaded into a folder that is created under the 
Documents folder of your account: ~/Documents/My Media/MP3 Audiobooks/  in 
separate folders named for each book.  There will also be an OverDrive 
Welcome folder created in this location.

I have always found it easiest just to add the files in these locations to my 
iTunes library with the normal Command-O selection.  At that point, they behave 
just the same way as any other MP3 file in your iTunes library.  You'll want to 
select them all and use Command-I (Get Info) to go to the Options tab, change 
the Media Kind popup button to Audiobook, and check the boxes for Remember 
Playback Position and Skip when Shuffling to have these show up as 
audiobooks.  Alternatively, if you use a program such as Audiobook Builder by 
Splasm Software, you can join these into one or two audiobook files with 
chapter markers, and the software will automatically make the adjustments for 
Media Kind, etc. so that the book shows up under your Books library in iTunes 
and Audiobooks on the iPhone.

I haven't tried adding these audiobooks to an iPhone, iPod Touch, or iPad using 
the OverDrive Console, although I've added such downloads to my iPod Nano both 
through the OverDrive Media Console and directly from my iTunes library.  You 
will not be able to play or transfer the files through the OverDrive Media 
Console after the expiration date of your books, and the software will give a 
prompt notice to delete the files if you open it after the expiration date.  
(Obviously, this doesn't affect the files you transferred to the iPod or iPhone 
before this date, if you don't reconnect to your computer and sync the device.  
I'm not sure how it works if you use the OverDrive app for the iPhone, which 
I've never tried, and which seems to add an extra level of complexity.)

I'll point you to an old Mail Archive list post:
General Instructions on OverDrive downloadable audiobooks
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05166.html

This gives details on how to run the search and download process through 
different library web interfaces, which seemed to be the sticking point for 
some users.  Note that post is two years old, and there is no links chooser 
menu in VoiceOver under Snow Leopard -- just use item chooser menu instead -- 
you can press l i n first, for a link search.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 21, 2011, at 08:21, Christina wrote:

 Hello all,
 
 I hope you're having a nice Monday.  :)  I was searching my library's book 
 catalog for my children.  I noticed that they offer audiobooks for 

Lost All Custom Pronunciations

2011-02-22 Thread Brandon Olivares
Hi,

The other day, I'm not sure what happened, but all of my pronunciations for 
Voiceover were lost. I'm not sure where they went. This includes the ones 
included by default, as well as the ones I've added.

Why would something like this happen? Is there a way to get back the defaults? 
If not, can someone tell me what the defaults were so I can enter them back in?

Thanks,
Brandon

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Re: fried google

2011-02-22 Thread johns.kary
strangely  it's apple mail doing this with my optus account .
My gmail's working fine. but When ever I go to check my optus inbox it's, 
please enter your password for this account 
It only started yesterday, and it's slowly getting worse. Along with safari  
going in to an endless safari busy  safari ready Loop on some pages.

All my mail accounts work fine on my iPhone and windows laptop, It  just seams 
to be apple mail  having problems.

Kari. 
On 23/02/2011, at 9:29 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote:

 Yeah, my hotmail is doing the same thing.  Ugh!  Drives me nuts.   
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 No.
 
 my gmail has been behaving.  But my hotmail?  Oh hotmail. :(. I get prompted 
 for my password for it from Apple Mail like every other day.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:55 PM, carolyn Haas wrote:
 
 Hi everyone:
 Google's on a roll with asking for my passwords for everything.  Started 
 yesterday, and  I was still able to pull in mail.  But, it's getting more 
 constant.  If I try get all new mail, up comes the password request.  
 Anyone else having this today?
 
 Carolyn H
 
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27 inch iMac Firewire chipset question

2011-02-22 Thread Justin Kauflin
I'm thinking about purchasing the 27 inch iMac but had one question before 
making the leap.  Does anyone have any idea whether the newest models have a 
Texas Instruments chipset for the Firewire port?

 I called Apple, and  they wouldn't say.  This was a real bummer, as the 
chipset on this thing is going to be a deal breaker for me.

 If anyone has one of these models and isn't sure how to find out what the 
chipset is, as far as I know, you can  find it out if you have boot camp 
running.  The device manager in Windows tells you the manufacturer of the 
chipset..

Thanks to anyone who might be able to hook me up with this info.

Justin

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Re: question about shortcuts

2011-02-22 Thread Stephanie Mitchell

That conmand isn't working to oppen items.
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:44:23 +
Subject: Re: question about shortcuts

Hi Stephanie!
command+shift +a should work!
As for adding apps to doc one way is to open the app then go to 
doc scroll to it in there and whilst on it open vo+shift+m and in 
there should be a option to keep in doc!

When on that just vo+space and your done!
You can also sit on one of the apps you want to remove and use 
the same menu and find remove from doc vo+space and it should be 
gone!

hth Colin!
Qapla!

Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 22 Feb 2011, at 23:24, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:

I have a imac and it's a little different to my macbook pro.  
Certain shortcuts don't work.  For example, comand shift a to 
oppen my apps.  How do I get these to work?
I also want to copy some apps to the doc, and remove some from 
the doc.  Can I do this?
Thanks from a new mac user who has no windows machines set up 
now.

Steph

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Re: downloadable audiobooks from public library questions

2011-02-22 Thread Esther
Hi Christina,

Yes, the Mac Compatible OverDrive software can be downloaded from:
http://overdrive.com/software/omc
at the Download OverDrive Media for Macintosh button

That information, and also the search instructions, was given in the link to 
the archived post listed at the end of my message:

General Instructions on OverDrive downloadable audiobooks
http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/msg05166.html

Incidentally, I'm not linking to the Google Groups page archives, but to the 
secondary Mail Archive site, which is a simple format, uses plain text, and is 
great to read from.  It also supports access key shortcuts so that you can read 
down and up threads by pressing Control+n for the next post and Control+p for 
the previous post. (If you do that, you'll find the correction that the 
shortcut for the Preferences pane for OverDrive is Command+P, just like all 
other Mac apps).

I have used this software more recently, though, and this may be of interest to 
you for your kids.  Last summer there was a general audiobook reading promotion 
by publishers at the Audiobook Community young adult group called SYNC, where 
they offered two free audiobooks each week over 2 and a half months in an 
effort to encourage audiobook listening among children.  These were all 
excellent productions that paired classic titles with contemporary audiobooks 
using similar themes.  For example, there was Shirley Jackson's The Lottery 
released with The Hunger Games by Suzanne Collins, and Oliver Twist by 
Dickens paired with Handbook for Boys by Walter Dean Myers.  All these titles 
were issued as free, OverDrive Media MP3 files, with licenses that never 
expired.  The web page was:

http://www.audiobookcommunity.com/group/sync

I don't know whether they will repeat a similar promotion this summer. 

HTH. Cheers,

Esther 


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 Wow, Thanks so much.  It does sound like a lot of hoops to jump through.  I 
 appreciate all of your help.  I have a question just to make sure I 
 understand.  Is there a mac compatible overdrive software that works with 
 voiceover?  
 Thanks so much,
 Christina 
 

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Re: question about shortcuts

2011-02-22 Thread Colin M
Hi again Stephanie!
Ahh yes the command [ command+shift+a works in finder not in mail for example!
Also if you would like to change the order of your apps in the doc you sit on 
the one you would like to move and press option+command then move it with the 
arrows vo will tell you what app you are moving passed!
And when you got it where you want just let go option+command!
Anyway I hope thats more helpful!
Colin
Qapla!

Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 23 Feb 2011, at 00:16, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:

 That command isn't working to oppen items.
 Steph
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Date sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:44:23 +
 Subject: Re: question about shortcuts
 
 Hi Stephanie!
 command+shift +a should work!
 As for adding apps to doc one way is to open the app then go to doc scroll to 
 it in there and whilst on it open vo+shift+m and in there should be a option 
 to keep in doc!
 When on that just vo+space and your done!
 You can also sit on one of the apps you want to remove and use the same menu 
 and find remove from doc vo+space and it should be gone!
 hth Colin!
 Qapla!
 
 Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak
 
 On 22 Feb 2011, at 23:24, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:
 
 I have a imac and it's a little different to my macbook pro.  Certain 
 shortcuts don't work.  For example, command shift a to oppen my apps.  How do 
 I get these to work?
 I also want to copy some apps to the doc, and remove some from the doc.  Can 
 I do this?
 Thanks from a new mac user who has no windows machines set up now.
 Steph
 
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Re: question about shortcuts

2011-02-22 Thread Stephanie Mitchell

I was using the findy.  I also can't do d ! o to oppen files.
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 00:51:32 +
Subject: Re: question about shortcuts

Hi again Stephanie!
Ahh yes the command [ command+shift+a works in finder not in mail 
for example!
Also if you would like to change the order of your apps in the 
doc you sit on the one you would like to move and press 
option+command then move it with the arrows vo will tell you what 
app you are moving passed!

And when you got it where you want just let go option+command!
Anyway I hope thats more helpful!
Colin
Qapla!

Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 23 Feb 2011, at 00:16, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:

That command isn't working to oppen items.
Steph


- Original Message -
From: Colin M velocity.focu...@googlemail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Date sent: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 23:44:23 +
Subject: Re: question about shortcuts

Hi Stephanie!
command+shift +a should work!
As for adding apps to doc one way is to open the app then go to 
doc scroll to it in there and whilst on it open vo+shift+m and in 
there should be a option to keep in doc!

When on that just vo+space and your done!
You can also sit on one of the apps you want to remove and use 
the same menu and find remove from doc vo+space and it should be 
gone!

hth Colin!
Qapla!

Chegh chew jaj Vam jaj Kak

On 22 Feb 2011, at 23:24, Stephanie Mitchell wrote:

I have a imac and it's a little different to my macbook pro.  
Certain shortcuts don't work.  For example, command shift a to 
oppen my apps.  How do I get these to work?
I also want to copy some apps to the doc, and remove some from 
the doc.  Can I do this?
Thanks from a new mac user who has no windows machines set up 
now.

Steph

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Re: 27 inch iMac Firewire chipset question

2011-02-22 Thread Esther
Hi Justin,

I'm not sure there is a definitive answer to your question, because for most 
model computers multiple suppliers are used, so there is no guaranteeing that 
an answer from one user will ensure that the model you buy will have the 
(older) Texas Instruments chipset.  Here's a relevant recent post (e.g. last 
week) to the ProSound web site that contains links to help you follow up your 
answer:

begin quote
As you mentioned, Apple has indeed changed their Firewire chipset in some 
models to the LSI/Agere FireWire chip-set with which many have seen with whom, 
including audio interface stalwart RME where the issues has been extensively 
documented in their forum. There has been a great deal of discussion in the RME 
forum which ended in a conclusion that when using Mac’s containing the 
LSI/Agere chipset their audio devices only work when a FireWire drive is placed 
between the audio interface and the computer. It’s an odd problem, but I can 
honestly say that you wouldn’t be the first. While I can’t confirm that your 
computer has this chipset, all the information you need is contained in these 
lengthy forum posts: http://bit.ly/MacFW and http://bit.ly/MacFW2 and 
http://bit.ly/MacFW3
end quote

The three links provide more information about work-arounds, including the 
order in which you should connect to devices, to deal with this problem which 
has been stated as:
Apple for the first time uses a PCIe to FW controller in the new iMacs, from 
Agere. Obviously this one needs some driver optimizations to operate as good as 
the formerly used PCI TI chips.

You can also go directly to the RME forum firewire thread page:
http://www.rme-audio.de/forum/viewforum.php?id=4
which has sticky threads for Workaround for Fireface/iMac problem and 
Hardware Alert: FireWire solutions with Agere FW chip and read some of the 
discussion.  Also, I'm not sure how bad the current problem is; there was one 
early batch of LSI/Agere chipsets (revision 6) that really broke things, but 
that was a while ago, and I think most recent devices using this chip may be at 
revision 8.

An old post (from the first link) summarized this as:
begin quote
FireWire connection problems with Apple computers: 

1. TI chipsets (older iMacs, Macbook, Macbook Pro): no problems 

2. LSI PCIe chipsets (newer and current iMacs, Macbook, Macbook Pro):

- FW643 (FW800, PCI ID 5901) and FW533 (FW400, PCI ID 5903) Revision 6: 
connection problems, stop after playback starts - solved with a FW repeater (e. 
g. Lindy cable, external Lacie FW HD)

- FW643 (FW800, PCI ID 5901) and FW533 (FW400, PCI ID 5903) Revision 7: no 
problems

Revision 7 Chipsets are also identified as: FW643E and FW533E.

The included chipset can be identified (partially) while pressing CMD + S 
during the boot signal (Firewire (OHCI) Lucent ID 5901 built-in now active, 
...) or via the console (see below).
end quote

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On Feb 22, 2011, at 13:59, Justin Kauflin wrote:

 I'm thinking about purchasing the 27 inch iMac but had one question before 
 making the leap.  Does anyone have any idea whether the newest models have a 
 Texas Instruments chipset for the Firewire port?
 
 I called Apple, and  they wouldn't say.  This was a real bummer, as the 
 chipset on this thing is going to be a deal breaker for me.
 
 If anyone has one of these models and isn't sure how to find out what the 
 chipset is, as far as I know, you can  find it out if you have boot camp 
 running.  The device manager in Windows tells you the manufacturer of the 
 chipset..
 
 Thanks to anyone who might be able to hook me up with this info.
 
 Justin
 

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Re: More Itunes questions.

2011-02-22 Thread Kevin Shaw
HI,

You can reclassify your audio described movies by pressing command-I and then 
pressing command-5 in the subsequent dialog box. It will give you an option to 
declare the media type. I believe you can choose TV show or movie or whatever 
you have listed in your preferences.

Adding to an existing playlist is easy. Highlight the song(s) you want. Press 
VO-shift-M and move down to Add to Playlist. You will see a list of your 
created playlists.

If the media you are importing is not music, it will go into lists other than 
music. You'll need to reclassify the imported audio as something other than 
music when you import. 

For example, I have downloaded a whole series of MP3 files and want them to be 
classified as audio books. I have selected all of them in my Recently Added 
list, pressed command-I to change the properties for all of the files and set 
the media type to Audio Book. Then, I also turn on Remember Playback Position 
and Skip when shuffling. this way, if I leave a file, it will resume where I 
left off, and I don't have to hear the file when I'm skipping through music on 
shuffle.

Hope this helps,
Kevin

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Re: downloadable audiobooks from public library questions

2011-02-22 Thread Bryan Jones
Hello Christina, Esther and All,

In addition to Esther's excellent post, I want to add that you might be able to 
avoid some of the hoops by using the latest version of the Overdrive App which 
allows patrons of at least some library systems to browse and download titles 
directly from the iphone, ipad and i-touch. I am able to perform the following 
functions without requiring any interaction with a Mac or PC:
1. Use the App's button labeled Get Books Plus to find my library using a 
town or zip code, or by browsing all libraries.
2. Login to my library's system using my library card number.
3. Browse iphone-compatible audiobooks, Adobe epub ebooks and public domain 
ebooks in my library's collection.
4. Download available audiobook titles directly to the iphone, ipad or ipod 
touch and listen to them in the Overdrive Media App, which is fully VO 
accessible.
5. Place a title on hold if it is currently checked out. You supply your email 
address and will be notified when the title becomes available for checkout.

My library currently lists a whopping 314 iphone-compatible audiobook titles 
and 1000 Adobe epub titles. In addition, they have a few thousand of the public 
domain ebooks, all of which I'm sure are available for free from many sources 
including ibooks and kobo. I tried downloading one of the Adobe epub books and 
was prompted for an adobe ID. I didn't bother following that trail any further 
so I can't report on the accessibility of the Adobe epub titles.

I've pasted a link to the App below.
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/overdrive-media-console/id366869252?mt=8


Cheers,
Bryan
Sent from my iPhone.
On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Christina wrote:

 Wow, Thanks so much.  It does sound like a lot of hoops to jump through.  I 
 appreciate all of your help.  I have a question just to make sure I 
 understand.  Is there a mac compatible overdrive software that works with 
 voiceover?  
 Thanks so much,
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Re: my mail new message window looks funny., and another issue.

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
What I mean  by that is I already tried that and no go.  I  deleted the prefs 
file and my mail accounts everything and no go.  I just reinstalled the os and 
don't want to install it again lol.
Sarah Alawami

If you  need an edit  done on a small project go to 
http://music.marrie.org/master for more info. If you need to contact me my info 
is below.

MSN and AIM: marri...@gmail.com

website: http://music.marrie.org
Podcast: http://marrie.podbean.com
youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125

On Feb 22, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:

 Hi Sarah,
 
 I see only one chance: Delete the file
 Users / Your User / Library / preferences / com.apple.mail.plist
 
 After deleting all accounts and settings are also deleted. So you could cut 
 the file and move it to another folder, just in case you want to restore the 
 settings and the accounts. If so you need to move the file back to that 
 folder.
 
 Does it work?
 
 Jürgen
 
 
 Am 21.02.2011 um 22:47 schrieb Sarah Alawami:
 
 Hello. I just reset my vo prefs and my mail is still doing the same odd 
 thing. I dunno what's going on here but i'm getting frustrated!
 On Feb 21, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Jürgen Fleger wrote:
 
 Hi Sarah,
 
 are you sure that Mail is the problem? Does VoiceOver behave normally in 
 other programms? You could try to import your backup of VoiceOver settings.
 
 All the best
 Jürgen
 Am 21.02.2011 um 09:05 schrieb Sarah Alawami:
 
 Hello to all.
 
 my mail message window when I start a new message looks funny. I see when 
 I vo to then edit then customize headers then edit, edit. I can tab and it 
 looks right but it doesn't read the labels even when I hit enter to jump 
 between fields. Here is a screenshot of what I hope I mean.
 
 http://bit.ly/gbB48h
 
 Take care all and I really want this fixed. I tried reinstalling the 
 update combo to fix this but no go.
 
 S
 
 pls.  Now when I read  or try and read the message table I get blank blank 
 blank and when I vo left it looks semi normal. what's going on!
 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
Actualy it's the same version free or paid so  the only difference you get is 
the amount of space.


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On Feb 22, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Colin M wrote:

 Hi all!
 You bring up a good point Ray!
 Does anyone know if the paid version is accessible because if it is then they 
 want you to buy the full version!
 If it is not It's back to being vo Mac users are not still big enough group 
 to be bothered about!
 Or that's what they think or presume!
 I'm not sure of the best way to get them to change but maybe a general 
 posting on utube or something like that may work!
 Like Ray says more than one person!
 :]
 I'll put my name to a list!
 Colin
 
 I'm far too bad for Heaven!
 The Devil is afraid I'll take his place!
 
 On 22 Feb 2011, at 11:41, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 
 Look, here's how I see it.  They've been telling us for about two years that 
 they know about the accessibility issues witth Drop Box.  Every single time 
 one of us writes them about it, all we hear back is, We're aware of the 
 problem.  I reckon it's high time one of us or maybe a bunch of us wrote 
 them and frankly said something like this:
 
 
 Every single time any one of us has written you about the accessibility 
 problems we've been having with Drop Box, all we hear from you is, We're 
 aware of it and are working on it..  Really?  Where's the evidence of your 
 work?  You keep saying that you are aware, yet, we see no results.  To speak 
 frankly, we are beginning  to wonder wheterh or not you really actually 
 care; even if you are aware.  What do we have to do to make you understand 
 that, if we're going to use your service, (especially if we're going to pay 
 for it), we'd better be able to use it?  What will it take?.  Yes, I think 
 at least one of us; or, as I said before, a number of us, ought to just put 
 it out on the table just like that.  Just one of us isn't enough.  We need 
 to do this on a daily basis until they realize that we WILL, NOT, BE, 
 IGNORED!!!
 
 Thoughts?
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
 
 Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
 Skype name:
 barefootedray
 
 Facebook:
 facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 2:43 AM, Sarah Alawami wrote:
 
 O can set it up fine. But you have a point there. 
 
 On 22/02/2011, at 0:31, Jes Smith theeternal...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the 
 Mac is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, 
 developers would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility 
 guidelines, or, there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and 
 white issue as far as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign 
 the petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
If dropbox were used for the goverment then yeah that would work but I don't 
think our government would use dropbox so in tis case it would not work. I hope 
to be wrong on this how ever.
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On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:22 AM, carolyn Haas wrote:

 Hi Jes and others:
 I haven't tried with Dropbox.  But, I've been following the discussion.  It 
 seems to me that our US president just made a huge to-do about accessibility 
 and signing the Communications bill and another ADA focused speech last July. 
  We've had now occasional requests for feedback from the FCC.  It seems to me 
 the time is right for bring issues like this to the attention of some of 
 these people being given the responsibility of trying to improve things, so 
 maybe they can apply a little pressure on developers.   Perhaps there is 
 opportunity out there to change things for the better, though I'm not naive 
 enough to think that will happen easily.
 
 Carolyn H 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 1:31 AM, Jes Smith wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac 
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers 
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or, 
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far 
 as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu, 
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And 
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual 
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done 
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the 
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
I dont think that would work. CNET and all of them would not post articles 
written by us. I'd love to wat my words on that one but there ya go. Good idea 
but I don't think it owuld work and dropbox would not care. it appears they 
already don't.


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On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

 I don't think this is a good idea.  Apple won't cut off their nose to spite 
 their face.  And I for one don't expect them to.  They have done all they can 
 from their end.  Do you realize how many thousands if not tens of thousands 
 off apps that would be essentially band from the platform?  Sure, some would 
 comply but, Most wouldn't.  They would just go on developing for windows.  
 before long, there wouldn't be any Macs to speak of.  Why would anyone want a 
 Mac, when you couldn't get any apps for it.  I think people aren't looking at 
 the big picture here.  Accessibility is just a piece of a really big puzzle.  
 A small piece at that.  My suggestion is to not even waste anymore time 
 writing dropbox.  Start contacting the tech sites like cnet, boygenius, 
 macrumors, etc.  Let them know whats going on.  Our number is to few, and 
 dollars to short to have a direct effect.  But you can embarrass the hell out 
 of them.  No company wants bad press over something like excluding people 
 with a disability from having access to their product.  Especially on the Mac 
 OSX platform where accessibility is a given as long as developers follow 
 certain guidelines.
 
 JMO
 
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 rwalker...@gmail.com
 Twitter, Skype, and AIM: rwalker296
 Google Voice: 1-646-450-2197
 
 
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:06 AM, LaMcAs wrote:
 
 Ok so why don't we all email Apple with regard to this - if they have
 created an accessible OS then developers must conform to it? If we did this
 in force then may Apple can make their vendors comply?
 
 
 Larry  Elliot GD (Guide Dog)
 London, UK
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
 Sent: 22 February 2011 08:32
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or,
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far
 as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu,
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Mail

2011-02-22 Thread Selena Sang
Does anybody know how to change the order of messages by newest on top and 
oldest on the bottom. I can not figure this one out. I had someone help me with 
my Inbox but I wanted to do this for other folders too.
Thanks to who can help.
Selena

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how can I get my ringtones back on my phone

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
Hello. I have several ringtones that I made myself on my phone. Somehow I 
forgot to back up my ringtones folder so now it's gone. they are still on the 
phone but how can I get them back from the phone to my computer?

Take care all and hope you all are having a nice day.

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Re: Mail

2011-02-22 Thread Mark BurningHawk Baxter
When in the messages table, will VO Shift Backslash (VO vertical line) reverse 
the sort order?  If not, it may be in the View menu; 

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help activing vuescan

2011-02-22 Thread Stephanie Mitchell
I have vuescan which I need to activate.  But vo won't let me 
type in the text fields.  I tried interacting with it, but it 
won't type anything when I try to put in the informN.  How do I 
get around this?

Thanks.
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Re: Mail

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
Yeah it will. just go to the table and go to date received then vo shift 
backslash on the column. this will either sort up or down depending on  what 
you want. it's a toggle.

Tood luck.
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On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Mark BurningHawk Baxter wrote:

 When in the messages table, will VO Shift Backslash (VO vertical line) 
 reverse the sort order?  If not, it may be in the View menu; 
 
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Re: help activing vuescan

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
What happens if you vo shift space on the field you want to type in? Can you 
then edit the text therein? I'm just guessing as I don't use vooscan.

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 I have vuescan which I need to activate.  But vo won't let me type in the 
 text fields.  I tried interacting with it, but it won't type anything when I 
 try to put in the informN.  How do I get around this?
 Thanks.
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RE: system dialog

2011-02-22 Thread Heather
I got tired of it so I dropped my laptop at the apple store and they just
fixed it.  They never said why it was doing it either!  But the apple store
is like 5 blocks away so I have that opption.  Glad it was not just me!
Heather 

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Subject: Re: system dialog

Have had this problem a few times.  Also Voice over would not speak.  So my
option was to force shut down the system and reboot.

Kawal.
On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:09, louie wrote:

 Hi all,
 Some times when I go to running applications VO + F1 then VO f1 again I
find a system dialog. If I select the system dialog I can't get rid of it.
The only way to get rid of it is reboot.
 Any one having this trouble? If so how did you get rid of the system
dialog?
 
 louie
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Re: New User Experiencing Major Frustration

2011-02-22 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

Have you confirmed that either pop and/or iMap are enabled in your GMail 
settings?  You must have pop enabled to receive via pop or iMap for iMap.  This 
is done in your account settings within GMail itself.

Later...

On 2011-02-22, at 11:27 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:

 Hello, folks.  I am a newbie, though I've been on the viphone group
 since last summer.  At long last, I own a Mac, and I'm anxious to
 become as efficient a user as I was of my PC.  Alas, it is not going
 as smoothly as planned.
 I'm having an odd problem with my mail account set-up.  I use gmail,
 and I've verified my password, but the only mail I can access within
 the mail application are the messages Apple imported for me through
 February 15.  I cannot get any mail subsequent to that.  All the
 settings seem to be fine: I've attempted both pop.gmail.com and
 imap.gmail.com; I used smtp.gmail.com; I've tried authentication with
 my password or with none; I've tried removing and adding the account
 (it won't remove completely), and I simply cannot get my most recent
 messages, and there is a message saying my password is invalid, which
 is most definitely is not, as it is working on gmail in safari. Any
 thoughts as to what might be happening, or what I could try would be
 appreciated.  I did try receiving new mail, but nothing. I suspect
 something very simple is being overlooked. Help!  Tha
 
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Re: Mail

2011-02-22 Thread carolyn Haas
Hi Selena:
I believe it can be done with vo-shift-backslash, which is a toggle.

HTH
Carolyn
On Feb 22, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Selena Sang wrote:

 Does anybody know how to change the order of messages by newest on top and 
 oldest on the bottom. I can not figure this one out. I had someone help me 
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Re: VO Drag and Drop

2011-02-22 Thread Tim Kilburn
Hi,

I'm confused as to why you are going about things in this method.  If you wish 
to sync specific playlists to your iPod, you can do this without drag and drop. 
 You simply choose the playlists from within the Music pane of the iPod's 
device settings through iTunes.  Dragging and dropping is cumbersome at best 
with VO and often doesn't do exactly what you want anyway.  The only way I've 
got Drag and Drop to work well for moving files is by using VO gestures but I 
still wouldn't use this method for transferring music within iTunes.

Later...

On 2011-02-21, at 6:19 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:

 All:
 I'm trying to manually drag and drop my iTunes playlists to my iPod/iPhone 
 b/c copying and pasting won't work. Here is what I'm doing, and I'll outline 
 where the problem is occurring.
 
 Duplication Steps:
 1.Using VO navigation commands, I move to the iTem I want to drag.
 2. I press VO Command F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO location. When I 
 press VO F5 to varify what is under the mouse, It says nothing is under the 
 mouse, even though when I moved the mouse, it said I was on my playlist.
 3. I press VO command shift space to start the drag. I hear the appropriate 
 mouse click sound.
 4. VO Shift F3 turns off curser tracking.
 5. Move to my ipod.
 6. Press VO command F5 to move the mouse cursor to vo curser. When I press vo 
 F5 to hear what is under curser, it says nothing is under cursor.
 7. Pressing vo command shift space releases the mouse. I hear the appropriate 
 mouse click sound.
 
 8. Turn off cursor tracking by pressing vo shift f3.
 So basically I'm being told nothing is under my mouse. 
 Please help.
 Thanks,
 
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Re: VO Drag and Drop

2011-02-22 Thread Sarah Alawami
No you just paste the music you want on the phone device name. it's odd but it 
works. you cannot do playlists on it how ever. those you have to create 
manually on the phone if you are to go about it that way.

s
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On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:48 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'm confused as to why you are going about things in this method.  If you 
 wish to sync specific playlists to your iPod, you can do this without drag 
 and drop.  You simply choose the playlists from within the Music pane of the 
 iPod's device settings through iTunes.  Dragging and dropping is cumbersome 
 at best with VO and often doesn't do exactly what you want anyway.  The only 
 way I've got Drag and Drop to work well for moving files is by using VO 
 gestures but I still wouldn't use this method for transferring music within 
 iTunes.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2011-02-21, at 6:19 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli wrote:
 
 All:
 I'm trying to manually drag and drop my iTunes playlists to my iPod/iPhone 
 b/c copying and pasting won't work. Here is what I'm doing, and I'll outline 
 where the problem is occurring.
 
 Duplication Steps:
 1.Using VO navigation commands, I move to the iTem I want to drag.
 2. I press VO Command F5 to move the mouse cursor to the VO location. When I 
 press VO F5 to varify what is under the mouse, It says nothing is under the 
 mouse, even though when I moved the mouse, it said I was on my playlist.
 3. I press VO command shift space to start the drag. I hear the appropriate 
 mouse click sound.
 4. VO Shift F3 turns off curser tracking.
 5. Move to my ipod.
 6. Press VO command F5 to move the mouse cursor to vo curser. When I press 
 vo F5 to hear what is under curser, it says nothing is under cursor.
 7. Pressing vo command shift space releases the mouse. I hear the 
 appropriate mouse click sound.
 
 8. Turn off cursor tracking by pressing vo shift f3.
 So basically I'm being told nothing is under my mouse. 
 Please help.
 Thanks,
 
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Re: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box

2011-02-22 Thread Ricardo Walker
Have you tried?  You don't know that.  And dropbox might care about us but, 
they care about bad press.  There's a difference.

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On Feb 22, 2011, at 9:11 PM, Sarah Alawami wrote:

 I dont think that would work. CNET and all of them would not post articles 
 written by us. I'd love to wat my words on that one but there ya go. Good 
 idea but I don't think it owuld work and dropbox would not care. it appears 
 they already don't.
 
 
 Sarah Alawami
 
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 youtube: http://youtube.com/marrie125
 
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:27 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
 
 I don't think this is a good idea.  Apple won't cut off their nose to spite 
 their face.  And I for one don't expect them to.  They have done all they 
 can from their end.  Do you realize how many thousands if not tens of 
 thousands off apps that would be essentially band from the platform?  Sure, 
 some would comply but, Most wouldn't.  They would just go on developing for 
 windows.  before long, there wouldn't be any Macs to speak of.  Why would 
 anyone want a Mac, when you couldn't get any apps for it.  I think people 
 aren't looking at the big picture here.  Accessibility is just a piece of a 
 really big puzzle.  A small piece at that.  My suggestion is to not even 
 waste anymore time writing dropbox.  Start contacting the tech sites like 
 cnet, boygenius, macrumors, etc.  Let them know whats going on.  Our number 
 is to few, and dollars to short to have a direct effect.  But you can 
 embarrass the hell out of them.  No company wants bad press over something 
 like excluding people with a disability from having access to their product. 
  Especially on the Mac OSX platform where accessibility is a given as long 
 as developers follow certain guidelines.
 
 JMO
 
 Ricardo Walker
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 On Feb 22, 2011, at 8:06 AM, LaMcAs wrote:
 
 Ok so why don't we all email Apple with regard to this - if they have
 created an accessible OS then developers must conform to it? If we did this
 in force then may Apple can make their vendors comply?
 
 
 Larry  Elliot GD (Guide Dog)
 London, UK
 
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 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jes Smith
 Sent: 22 February 2011 08:32
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: My 2 cents about the inaccessibility of the set up of drop box
 
 Hi all.
 As far as I'm concerned, the complete inaccessibility of Drop Box on the Mac
 is inexcusable. And, I tell you this, if I was the CEO of Apple, developers
 would either write their code based on Apple's accessibility guidelines, or,
 there programs would just be rejected. IT's a black and white issue as far
 as I'm concerned.
 I mean, mercy! IT's bad enough that we couldn't access the drop box menu,
 but now that we can't even set the client up without sighted help? And
 honestly, I don't think petitions would do a lot for our cause. Individual
 complaints have been sent to drop box for over two years, and they've done
 nothing to show us that they hear our cries for accessibility. I'd sign the
 petition, but don't think it will help much.
 
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Re: system dialog

2011-02-22 Thread Ricardo Walker
You should have asked.  Are you going to go to the apple store everytime it 
happens?  Just saying.  It might be a problem you can solve yourself.

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On Feb 23, 2011, at 12:25 AM, Heather wrote:

 I got tired of it so I dropped my laptop at the apple store and they just
 fixed it.  They never said why it was doing it either!  But the apple store
 is like 5 blocks away so I have that opption.  Glad it was not just me!
 Heather 
 
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 Subject: Re: system dialog
 
 Have had this problem a few times.  Also Voice over would not speak.  So my
 option was to force shut down the system and reboot.
 
 Kawal.
 On 21 Feb 2011, at 21:09, louie wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 Some times when I go to running applications VO + F1 then VO f1 again I
 find a system dialog. If I select the system dialog I can't get rid of it.
 The only way to get rid of it is reboot.
 Any one having this trouble? If so how did you get rid of the system
 dialog?
 
 louie
 louiem...@wavecable.com
 
 
 
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RE: system dialog

2011-02-22 Thread Heather
Well, it was happening and it kept shutting my computer down.  So perhaps it
was two things, not sure but they fixed it!  Heather 

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Re: downloadable audiobooks from public library questions

2011-02-22 Thread Teresa Cochran
Wow, that's a much handier app than I expected. I'll definitely check that out.

Tee
On Feb 22, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote:

 Hello Christina, Esther and All,
 
 In addition to Esther's excellent post, I want to add that you might be able 
 to avoid some of the hoops by using the latest version of the Overdrive App 
 which allows patrons of at least some library systems to browse and download 
 titles directly from the iphone, ipad and i-touch. I am able to perform the 
 following functions without requiring any interaction with a Mac or PC:
 1. Use the App's button labeled Get Books Plus to find my library using a 
 town or zip code, or by browsing all libraries.
 2. Login to my library's system using my library card number.
 3. Browse iphone-compatible audiobooks, Adobe epub ebooks and public domain 
 ebooks in my library's collection.
 4. Download available audiobook titles directly to the iphone, ipad or ipod 
 touch and listen to them in the Overdrive Media App, which is fully VO 
 accessible.
 5. Place a title on hold if it is currently checked out. You supply your 
 email address and will be notified when the title becomes available for 
 checkout.
 
 My library currently lists a whopping 314 iphone-compatible audiobook 
 titles and 1000 Adobe epub titles. In addition, they have a few thousand of 
 the public domain ebooks, all of which I'm sure are available for free from 
 many sources including ibooks and kobo. I tried downloading one of the Adobe 
 epub books and was prompted for an adobe ID. I didn't bother following that 
 trail any further so I can't report on the accessibility of the Adobe epub 
 titles.
 
 I've pasted a link to the App below.
 http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/overdrive-media-console/id366869252?mt=8
 
 
 Cheers,
 Bryan
 Sent from my iPhone.
 On Feb 22, 2011, at 6:39 PM, Christina wrote:
 
 Wow, Thanks so much.  It does sound like a lot of hoops to jump through.  I 
 appreciate all of your help.  I have a question just to make sure I 
 understand.  Is there a mac compatible overdrive software that works with 
 voiceover?  
 Thanks so much,
 Christina 
 
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