Re: i messaging app on the mac?

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, Maria,

If you keep your Messages app open on your computer, you should receive it 
there.

HTh,
Teresa

On May 6, 2012, at 11:26 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> HI.  ok so i have sinced my contacts with my mac and i was able to send a 
> message from the mac to a friend who has an iphone and she got it.  However i 
> got the reply on my phone and not on the mac as far as i can see.  is there a 
> way to also get the message in the messages app?
> 
> thanks
>   
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
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i messaging app on the mac?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.  ok so i have sinced my contacts with my mac and i was able to send a 
message from the mac to a friend who has an iphone and she got it.  However i 
got the reply on my phone and not on the mac as far as i can see.  is there a 
way to also get the message in the messages app?

thanks
  
God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 








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Re: team talk for Mac

[May McDonald]

I have the server information. I just need to be able to enter it in so that I 
can connect.
On 2012-05-06, at 10:55 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote:

> Hi Chris and May.
> According to a friend of mine, the version of TT that works with the mac can 
> be somehow used with VO if you check a certain checkbox in the universal 
> access pref pain in  system preferences.
> However, unless you know the servor and the channel layout, VO won't read the 
> channel list.
> Matt
> Sent from my mac
> Twitter: matt692
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> skype: blindman3221
> 
> On 2012-05-06, at 10:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> 
>> I know there is definitely a version for the mac, but it's written in QT, so 
>> as far as I know, it's not at all accessible.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
>> To: 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:27 PM
>> Subject: team talk for Mac
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi everyone. Is there a version of team talk that works with the Mac or a 
>>> certain way that it it needs to be set up to use it?
>>> 
>>> May and Prince Noah
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Re: team talk for Mac

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi Chris and May.
According to a friend of mine, the version of TT that works with the mac can be 
somehow used with VO if you check a certain checkbox in the universal access 
pref pain in  system preferences.
However, unless you know the servor and the channel layout, VO won't read the 
channel list.
Matt
Sent from my mac
Twitter: matt692
msn: matt...@live.com
skype: blindman3221

On 2012-05-06, at 10:32 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> I know there is definitely a version for the mac, but it's written in QT, so 
> as far as I know, it's not at all accessible.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
> To: 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:27 PM
> Subject: team talk for Mac
> 
> 
>> Hi everyone. Is there a version of team talk that works with the Mac or a 
>> certain way that it it needs to be set up to use it?
>> 
>> May and Prince Noah
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Re: team talk for Mac

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I know there is definitely a version for the mac, but it's written in QT, so 
as far as I know, it's not at all accessible.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
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To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 10:27 PM
Subject: team talk for Mac


Hi everyone. Is there a version of team talk that works with the Mac or a 
certain way that it it needs to be set up to use it?


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team talk for Mac

[May McDonald]

Hi everyone. Is there a version of team talk that works with the Mac or a 
certain way that it it needs to be set up to use it?

May and Prince Noah

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Re: Excedingly odd and frustrating problem filling out WEb nform at snapple.com

[Esther]

Hi Christine,

I'm running Lion here, and I won't be able to try this on a machine running 
Snow Leopard for a few hours.  This is certainly an odd web site.  I was able 
to fill in the fields the way Max did by tabbing and then typing.  Make sure 
that you don't have Quick Nav turned on, or that won't work.  If Quick Nav is 
turned on, I can Command-Tab between Safari and TextEdit (a window in plain 
text mode) and copy and paste in the field information.

I have my navigation options set for mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver cursor, 
but the way.
 
Yes, the alternative that I use for a mouse click on a laptop keyboard is to 
Control-click with my trackpad (that is, press the control key and click the 
trackpad with TrackPad Commander turned off).  That also worked to bring focus 
to the entry fields.  Another way to do this on a laptop is to set up your 
keyboard so that you can turn Mouse Keys on or off by pressing the Option key 5 
times quickly in succession.  This is a check box under System Preferences > 
Universal Access > on the Mouse& Trackpad tab.  When you turn Mouse Keys on and 
press the "i" key, this is just like doing a click with a physical mouse.  If 
you are using an extended keyboard with numeric keypad and have NumPad 
Commander turned on, then another way to click with the mouse is to press the 
Control key together with the "5" key on the numeric keypad.  This assumes that 
you have not changed the default NumPad Commander definitions.  

These two options -- using Mouse Keys on a laptop keyboard and pressing the "i" 
key and using NumPad Commander on a full-size keyboard and pressing Control+"5" 
on the numeric keypad -- always work when a key click is required.  Do not turn 
on NumPad Commander and Mouse Keys at the same time!  You don't need Mouse Keys 
if you are using a full size keyboard, and it is a bit of a pain toggle it on 
and off just to "click".

Are you sure that you didn't have Quick Nav turned on?  Christine, you manage 
to find more odd web page forms that are problematic with VoiceOver than anyone 
else I know! 

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 6, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> I'm running Snow Leopard, and I did try this, but it didn't work. However, my 
> husband suggested clicking the mouse before writing anything. This worked. In 
> fact, when I made an error, I had to hit the mouse in order to select and 
> delete. Everything else on the site worked as usual. This seems an odd issue. 
> Is there an alternative to the mouse click? (Also, nothing I typed was echoed 
> back as I did so; I had to back-track to check. Just because this kind of 
> thing interests me, does anyone know what might cause this issue? Is it an SL 
> bug? A fluke? 
> Christine
> On May 6, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hello; I just went to the form.  I'm running lion.  I tabbed to each field 
>> and typed in my information.  i used shift plus tab to go back and check and 
>> all my info was correctly imputed.  I didn't have a product code so i 
>> couldn't complete the form.  sometimes its best to just press command r to 
>> refresh the screen.  wish i could be of more help.  take care, max 
>> On May 6, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, all. I am trying to fill out a Web contact form at Snapple. It seems 
>>> that all pop-ups and radio buttons are selecting correctly, but all edit 
>>> boxes for name, address, phone number, and comments are not taking my 
>>> inputs. I have tried interacting, writing the information elsewhere and 
>>> cutting and pasting, and just inputting directly. Either VoiceOver is not 
>>> reading what I am putting in the edit boxes, or my entries are not being 
>>> accepted. Obviously, I cannot contact them to let them know of this. :) 
>>> Could someone please take a look and let me know what you think? TIA.
>>> Christine
>>> http://www.econsumeraffairs.com/am_bev/contactus.htm?F1=snapple
>>> 

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Re: Excedingly odd and frustrating problem filling out WEb nform at snapple.com

[Maxwell Ivey]

i'm glad you figured it out.  I don't know as much about coding forms as I 
should, but i believe its a matter of how they created it and labelled it.  i 
have a similar problem with a classified site.  I can fill out everything but 
the section where you add photos.  There is no way to tell voiceover how to 
find the button.  this is because it is improperly labelled by the website 
creator.  I've brought it to their attention several times, but I'm the only 
blind user they have so you know what has happened. smile. take care, max 
On May 6, 2012, at 8:52 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> I'm running Snow Leopard, and I did try this, but it didn't work. However, my 
> husband suggested clicking the mouse before writing anything. This worked. In 
> fact, when I made an error, I had to hit the mouse in order to select and 
> delete. Everything else on the site worked as usual. This seems an odd issue. 
> Is there an alternative to the mouse click? (Also, nothing I typed was echoed 
> back as I did so; I had to back-track to check. Just because this kind of 
> thing interests me, does anyone know what might cause this issue? Is it an SL 
> bug? A fluke? 
> Christine
> On May 6, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:
> 
>> hello; I just went to the form.  I'm running lion.  I tabbed to each field 
>> and typed in my information.  i used shift plus tab to go back and check and 
>> all my info was correctly imputed.  I didn't have a product code so i 
>> couldn't complete the form.  sometimes its best to just press command r to 
>> refresh the screen.  wish i could be of more help.  take care, max 
>> On May 6, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, all. I am trying to fill out a Web contact form at Snapple. It seems 
>>> that all pop-ups and radio buttons are selecting correctly, but all edit 
>>> boxes for name, address, phone number, and comments are not taking my 
>>> inputs. I have tried interacting, writing the information elsewhere and 
>>> cutting and pasting, and just inputting directly. Either VoiceOver is not 
>>> reading what I am putting in the edit boxes, or my entries are not being 
>>> accepted. Obviously, I cannot contact them to let them know of this. :) 
>>> Could someone please take a look and let me know what you think? TIA.
>>> Christine
>>> http://www.econsumeraffairs.com/am_bev/contactus.htm?F1=snapple
>>> 
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Re: Excedingly odd and frustrating problem filling out WEb nform at snapple.com

[Christine Grassman]

I'm running Snow Leopard, and I did try this, but it didn't work. However, my 
husband suggested clicking the mouse before writing anything. This worked. In 
fact, when I made an error, I had to hit the mouse in order to select and 
delete. Everything else on the site worked as usual. This seems an odd issue. 
Is there an alternative to the mouse click? (Also, nothing I typed was echoed 
back as I did so; I had to back-track to check. Just because this kind of thing 
interests me, does anyone know what might cause this issue? Is it an SL bug? A 
fluke? 
Christine
On May 6, 2012, at 9:37 PM, Maxwell Ivey wrote:

> hello; I just went to the form.  I'm running lion.  I tabbed to each field 
> and typed in my information.  i used shift plus tab to go back and check and 
> all my info was correctly imputed.  I didn't have a product code so i 
> couldn't complete the form.  sometimes its best to just press command r to 
> refresh the screen.  wish i could be of more help.  take care, max 
> On May 6, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> Hello, all. I am trying to fill out a Web contact form at Snapple. It seems 
>> that all pop-ups and radio buttons are selecting correctly, but all edit 
>> boxes for name, address, phone number, and comments are not taking my 
>> inputs. I have tried interacting, writing the information elsewhere and 
>> cutting and pasting, and just inputting directly. Either VoiceOver is not 
>> reading what I am putting in the edit boxes, or my entries are not being 
>> accepted. Obviously, I cannot contact them to let them know of this. :) 
>> Could someone please take a look and let me know what you think? TIA.
>> Christine
>> http://www.econsumeraffairs.com/am_bev/contactus.htm?F1=snapple
>> 
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Re: Excedingly odd and frustrating problem filling out WEb nform at snapple.com

[Maxwell Ivey]

hello; I just went to the form.  I'm running lion.  I tabbed to each field and 
typed in my information.  i used shift plus tab to go back and check and all my 
info was correctly imputed.  I didn't have a product code so i couldn't 
complete the form.  sometimes its best to just press command r to refresh the 
screen.  wish i could be of more help.  take care, max 
On May 6, 2012, at 8:36 PM, Christine Grassman wrote:

> Hello, all. I am trying to fill out a Web contact form at Snapple. It seems 
> that all pop-ups and radio buttons are selecting correctly, but all edit 
> boxes for name, address, phone number, and comments are not taking my inputs. 
> I have tried interacting, writing the information elsewhere and cutting and 
> pasting, and just inputting directly. Either VoiceOver is not reading what I 
> am putting in the edit boxes, or my entries are not being accepted. 
> Obviously, I cannot contact them to let them know of this. :) Could someone 
> please take a look and let me know what you think? TIA.
> Christine
> http://www.econsumeraffairs.com/am_bev/contactus.htm?F1=snapple
> 
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Excedingly odd and frustrating problem filling out WEb nform at snapple.com

[Christine Grassman]

Hello, all. I am trying to fill out a Web contact form at Snapple. It seems 
that all pop-ups and radio buttons are selecting correctly, but all edit boxes 
for name, address, phone number, and comments are not taking my inputs. I have 
tried interacting, writing the information elsewhere and cutting and pasting, 
and just inputting directly. Either VoiceOver is not reading what I am putting 
in the edit boxes, or my entries are not being accepted. Obviously, I cannot 
contact them to let them know of this. :) Could someone please take a look and 
let me know what you think? TIA.
Christine
http://www.econsumeraffairs.com/am_bev/contactus.htm?F1=snapple

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Re: uninstalling

[Krysti .Power]

What you do is move the applaction to your trash
On 2012-05-06 1:02 PM, "craig J Dunlop"  wrote:
>
> on the mac how do you remove a program? do you just delete it from the
applications list or is there a way to uninstall it?
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Moderator note -was- Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

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On May 6, 2012, at 2:56 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

Hi,

No doubt your post has much good advice.  But I think you should read the 
thread from the beginning before choosing sides in who was rude and why.  Its 
hard enough to judge intent with just the written word without cheating 
yourself of reading the entire thread to get the context. etc.

JMO.

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On May 6, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at 
> least on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for 
> the program one is working with, at least that's my  experience. I have seen 
> a lot of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no 
> reference to any documentation whatsoever in the app.
> At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this 
> thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in 
> an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world 
> because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt 
> sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that 
> in short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, 
> but if you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can 
> you then begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have 
> had different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One 
> bit of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my 
> explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know 
> your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app 
> can do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different 
> situations.
> Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. 
> lol
> 
> /Krister
> 
> 5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr:
> 
>> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
>> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
>> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
>> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
>> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
>> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's 
>> not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the 
>> time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely 
>> the worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in 
>> mind the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to 
>> make, and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment 
>> and give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and 
>> how quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod ca

Moderator note -was- Re: Leaving the list.

[Cara Quinn]

Hello Lew, for the record, and as a note to others here, I not only appreciate 
off-list support but encourage such support.

While this list is an excellent place to share information and ideas for 
working with the Mac and Apple products in general, certain situations can 
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communication.

What is not helpful is listers posing as moderators. This only succeeds in 
muddying the waters here and in worst cases, can also cause or contribute to 
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Lew, to yourself and others, whom are experienced in moderating other lists or 
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this should make good sense to you…

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thing off this list. If you really do have issues that you seem not to be able 
to resolve, then I'm always available. caraqu...@caraquinn.com or 
modelc...@gmail.com However, I'm not your therapist or your referee. I moderate 
this list as a labor of love so to speak. I don't get paid for this and I do 
lead a busy life. so please bare this in mind. I may take a while to get back 
with you and I also may not offer the answers you think I should offer you.

Having said this though, know that I will honor what you have to say and I will 
listen. Whether or not we see eye-to-eye, I will hear what you have to say…

So having said all of this, Lew, make no mistake, your contributions here as 
well as every other listers' are something I value. -And whether you choose to 
stay or go is up to you. You certainly are welcome if you'd like to be here.

This goes for everyone. I'm not your parent and though I currently moderate 
this list, I'm also part of this list. I too am a lister as you all are. We 
work with the same technology here and we share in this list to benefit from 
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and what we know. -And we're all here to help eachother. Yes?

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have a right to contribute here.

Please respect eachother…

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On May 6, 2012, at 1:02 AM, Lewis Alexander wrote:

Hello folks.

Sorry to write this message here but I am officially leaving the list. After 
yesterday's incident and the attitude of certain people on this list and my 
time spent trying to deal with the matter in the hope of DECENT resolution, I 
am leaving the list.

As an experienced, qualified engineer, I spend my time both on list and off 
list solving various problems relating to voiceover and OS X as well as 
hardware issues and I hope that my time and experience has been appreciated by 
those who I have assisted.

In relation to administrative support on this list, due to in some parts, the 
noted absence of the moderator, I have done my level best to resolve such 
issues both on and off list but from an email received this morning, the 
moderator clearly does not appreciate the support I have contributed nor the 
time placed in such matters.

If there are any members of this list who wish for my assistance off list, I 
may be reached off list at edwardredf...@sky.com as my direct work address

yours Sincerely.

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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Rod Skene]

Thanks Tim, that did it
Rod

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Siply press your spacebar when focus is on the Install button.  Do not use 
> the VO keys with this action.  Also, ensure that you've checked the box to 
> agree with the Terms otherwise the Install will not activate.
> 
> HTH.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-05-06, at 12:26 PM, Rod Skene wrote:
> 
>> When the pop-up update appears, I can tab to the install button but I can't 
>> activate it. Does anyone know how to activate the install button? Thanks, Rod
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 6, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Not necessarily the correct conclusion.  The pop-up could be a malware 
>>> attempt to infect your system.
>>> 
>>> I suggest you go to Adobe's site and do the install from there.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-06, at 8:37 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.
 
 mmm i think it's installed because i get things to play in flash, but 
 don't see a flash player option in system preferences.
 
 
regards
 Maria and crew from australia
 email:
 bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
 check out 
 www.powerradio104.us
 where we play lots of great music
 
 
 
 On 07/05/2012, at 12:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> If Flash Player is already installed, there will be an item in your 
> System Preferences called "Flash Player".  This is where you can do the 
> update if you are uncomfortable with the automatic and possibly 
> problematic pop-up version.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-05-06, at 8:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get 
>> an update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it 
>> to install.  
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it. 
>>>  For updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
>>> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just 
>>> remember that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just 
>>> use the tab key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and 
>>> spacebar without the VO keys.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Guys.
 I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
 think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go 
 to uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch 
 services when I can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume 
 and pause, etc., it does seem to work well enough for me to hear the 
 service. So, if I uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then 
 watch the service? 
 
 I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I 
 asked Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said 
 that if I wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and 
 update it there so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
 
> Ah, thanks for the info.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
>> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the 
>>> Adobi Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of 
>>> bugging me about it constantly?
>>> 
>>> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
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RE: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Daniel Miller]

Eric,

That setting your referencing simply doesn't copy them to the media folder,
it still adds a stub to the track to the library itself, which is what
Allison doesn't want.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Caron
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 9:47 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

Alison and others,

There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add
files when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.
It has been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do
it.  I remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any
means. 

So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone
else does.

Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a way.  I
also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However, sometimes I
want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in iTunes and not
have to find and delete it later. 

eRic Caron  
On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it more
than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to tell
iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I just
want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it being
added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> Allison
> 
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RE: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Daniel Miller]

To each their own, I suppose. I personally like having all my music in one
central location, so I don't have to sift through billions of folders an a
hard drive to find what I want to listen to, I just sort it by artist and
album and I'm good to go. It's not cluttered for me in the least.

Explain what you find to be cluttered?

 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ray Foret Jr
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:48 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

 

For my part, I cannot quarrel with ITunes as a player.  It's the library
part that sucks.  I agree with Alison's complaint, and, have one to add.  I
just hate the way ITunes tries to be smart and organized your stuff for you.
Yes, I have the keep folders organized check box unchecked, but, it still
puts things where I don't want them and cannot find things as quickly as I'd
need to.  I don't think it's a blindness issue either.  Sighted users are
beginning to be fed up with what ITunes has become.  You  should see the
latest editorial in Mac World about it.  High time Apple gave us a nice,
simle, fully accessible player with the store section, (I do like the store
part) but without the blasted too complex to be truly useable library.  I
just hate the way that ITunes has become so damn library dependant.  

 

 

Sincerely,

The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

 

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

 

Skype name:

barefootedray

 

Facebook:

facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1  





 

On May 6, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:





I find it to be cluttered, and I don't agree with Apple's assumption that I
want to add every song I play to my library.
On May 6, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:




I'm confused, what don't you like about iTunes? I happen to absolutely adore

it, and use nothing else.

 

 

-Original Message-

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Mervis

Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:17 PM

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

Subject: Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

 

Thanks so much for sharing this Eric. I'm going to check out vlc as an

alternative player. I like quick look, but there don't seem to be any player

controls.

Allison

On May 6, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

 

Hi Alison and others,

 

Well, it looks like I am wrong.  I will post below the info I saved from a

message from Esther.  It seems like the solution is to change the default

player to something else.  In my case I use Amadeus Pro.  This gives me

controls for play back without needing to add the track to iTunes.  I also

learned from Esther about quick look and use that often.

I think other listers have all ready given this advice.

 

 

One other tip.  If I accidentally do play something in iTunes that I want

to delete I usually go to my recently added play list or my zero rated play

list. to find and delete it.

 

Sorry to get your hopes up.

 

Esther's directions on how to change the default player are excellent and

that alone makes this post worth keeping for future reference!

 

below is Esther's post that helped me with this iTunes issue. 

 

Eric Caron 

 

start post 

 

Hi Eric,

 

You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you

QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app.

This obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is

required to validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or

the iTunes Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased

before they moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.)  Other than that, you can set

the default app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than

iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.).  Just select an mp3 track, and

use Command-I to bring up the  "Get Info" window.  Use item chooser (VO-I)

to navigate to the "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the

pop up button for the application, VO-Space, then select the app you want

other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player or VLC).If you then VO-Right

arrow past the pop up, there's an option to "Use this application to open

all documents like this on

e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before

closing the get info window with Command-W. 

 

I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it

adds the new entries to its library.  Just QuickLook the file instead of

opening it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes.

 

HTH.  Cheers,

 

Esther

 

On May 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:

 

Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really

appreciate it. Have a great day!

Allison

On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:

 

Alison and others,

 

   

Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Ray Foret Jr]

For my part, I cannot quarrel with ITunes as a player.  It's the library part 
that sucks.  I agree with Alison's complaint, and, have one to add.  I just 
hate the way ITunes tries to be smart and organized your stuff for you.  Yes, I 
have the keep folders organized check box unchecked, but, it still puts things 
where I don't want them and cannot find things as quickly as I'd need to.  I 
don't think it's a blindness issue either.  Sighted users are beginning to be 
fed up with what ITunes has become.  You  should see the latest editorial in 
Mac World about it.  High time Apple gave us a nice, simle, fully accessible 
player with the store section, (I do like the store part) but without the 
blasted too complex to be truly useable library.  I just hate the way that 
ITunes has become so damn library dependant.  


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

Facebook:
facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1



On May 6, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> I find it to be cluttered, and I don't agree with Apple's assumption that I 
> want to add every song I play to my library.
> On May 6, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:
> 
>> I'm confused, what don't you like about iTunes? I happen to absolutely adore
>> it, and use nothing else.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Mervis
>> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:17 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.
>> 
>> Thanks so much for sharing this Eric. I'm going to check out vlc as an
>> alternative player. I like quick look, but there don't seem to be any player
>> controls.
>> Allison
>> On May 6, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Alison and others,
>>> 
>>> Well, it looks like I am wrong.  I will post below the info I saved from a
>> message from Esther.  It seems like the solution is to change the default
>> player to something else.  In my case I use Amadeus Pro.  This gives me
>> controls for play back without needing to add the track to iTunes.  I also
>> learned from Esther about quick look and use that often.
>>> I think other listers have all ready given this advice.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> One other tip.  If I accidentally do play something in iTunes that I want
>> to delete I usually go to my recently added play list or my zero rated play
>> list. to find and delete it.
>>> 
>>> Sorry to get your hopes up.
>>> 
>>> Esther's directions on how to change the default player are excellent and
>> that alone makes this post worth keeping for future reference!
>>> 
>>> below is Esther's post that helped me with this iTunes issue. 
>>> 
>>> Eric Caron 
>>> 
>>> start post 
>>> 
>>> Hi Eric,
>>> 
>>> You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you
>> QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app.
>> This obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is
>> required to validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or
>> the iTunes Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased
>> before they moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.)  Other than that, you can set
>> the default app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than
>> iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.).  Just select an mp3 track, and
>> use Command-I to bring up the  "Get Info" window.  Use item chooser (VO-I)
>> to navigate to the "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the
>> pop up button for the application, VO-Space, then select the app you want
>> other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player or VLC).If you then VO-Right
>> arrow past the pop up, there's an option to "Use this application to open
>> all documents like this on
>>> e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before
>> closing the get info window with Command-W. 
>>> 
>>> I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it
>> adds the new entries to its library.  Just QuickLook the file instead of
>> opening it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes.
>>> 
>>> HTH.  Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Esther
>>> 
>>> On May 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>>> 
 Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really
>> appreciate it. Have a great day!
 Allison
 On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
 
> Alison and others,
> 
>   There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add
>> files when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.
>> It has been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do
>> it.  I remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any
>> means. 
> 
>   So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone
>> else does.
> 
> Sorry this is only half a answer but I want

Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Allison Mervis]

I find it to be cluttered, and I don't agree with Apple's assumption that I 
want to add every song I play to my library.
On May 6, 2012, at 2:17 PM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> I'm confused, what don't you like about iTunes? I happen to absolutely adore
> it, and use nothing else.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Mervis
> Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:17 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.
> 
> Thanks so much for sharing this Eric. I'm going to check out vlc as an
> alternative player. I like quick look, but there don't seem to be any player
> controls.
> Allison
> On May 6, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
>> Hi Alison and others,
>> 
>> Well, it looks like I am wrong.  I will post below the info I saved from a
> message from Esther.  It seems like the solution is to change the default
> player to something else.  In my case I use Amadeus Pro.  This gives me
> controls for play back without needing to add the track to iTunes.  I also
> learned from Esther about quick look and use that often.
>> I think other listers have all ready given this advice.
>> 
>> 
>> One other tip.  If I accidentally do play something in iTunes that I want
> to delete I usually go to my recently added play list or my zero rated play
> list. to find and delete it.
>> 
>> Sorry to get your hopes up.
>> 
>> Esther's directions on how to change the default player are excellent and
> that alone makes this post worth keeping for future reference!
>> 
>> below is Esther's post that helped me with this iTunes issue. 
>> 
>> Eric Caron 
>> 
>> start post 
>> 
>> Hi Eric,
>> 
>> You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you
> QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app.
> This obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is
> required to validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or
> the iTunes Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased
> before they moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.)  Other than that, you can set
> the default app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than
> iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.).  Just select an mp3 track, and
> use Command-I to bring up the  "Get Info" window.  Use item chooser (VO-I)
> to navigate to the "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the
> pop up button for the application, VO-Space, then select the app you want
> other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player or VLC).If you then VO-Right
> arrow past the pop up, there's an option to "Use this application to open
> all documents like this on
>> e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before
> closing the get info window with Command-W. 
>> 
>> I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it
> adds the new entries to its library.  Just QuickLook the file instead of
> opening it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes.
>> 
>> HTH.  Cheers,
>> 
>> Esther
>> 
>> On May 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really
> appreciate it. Have a great day!
>>> Allison
>>> On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
>>> 
 Alison and others,
 
There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add
> files when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.
> It has been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do
> it.  I remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any
> means. 
 
So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone
> else does.
 
 Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a
> way.  I also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However,
> sometimes I want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in iTunes
> and not have to find and delete it later. 
 
 eRic Caron  
 On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
 
> Hi everyone!
> I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it
> more than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to
> tell iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I
> just want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it
> being added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> Allison
> 
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Re: opening or closing a series of apps at once?

[Mark BurningHawk Baxter]

Attached is the file I wrote.  It opens in AppleScript Editor, which I'm not 
sure what that means.  Also, these Ifthen statements don't work as I am used 
to, so my logic may be redundant.


 • Mark BurningHawk Baxter
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Re: Focus 40 no Longer Works With Bluetooth

[Teresa Cochran]

I'll keep the idea of repairing permissions in mind. It's working 
intermittently now. I've had trouble with it on UsB too, so I suspect the 
driver isn't loading at times.

Teresa

"Man is matter's ability to contemplate itself."--Albert Einstein

On May 6, 2012, at 2:37 PM, Daniel McGee wrote:

> How about a repair disc provisions. 
> 
> Daniel   
> On 6 May 2012, at 20:33, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> Hi, all,
>> 
>> I've restarted my computer twice, removed and re-added the Focus 40, and 
>> still it isn't working. This just happened about an hour ago. Is there 
>> anything else I can try? I am using the Focus 40 firmware update 4.57.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Teresa
>> 
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Re: Mudding on the mac.

[Greg Aikens]

You can download Tintin from http://tintin.sourceforge.net/

It comes as a tar archive that you have to unpack.  I believe the built in mac 
utilities can handle this, but if not, something like the unarchiver works 
great.  Run the resulting file.  Your mac will classify it as a unix executable 
file.  Opening it from finder will open a terminal session etc.  Use the 
command #help to get a list of tintin commands.  

If I can be of any more help, let me know.

-Greg

On May 6, 2012, at 11:20 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote:

> Hi, Allison.
> 
> I haven't found a good client for the Mac. I use a windows client  on my 
> virtual machine. It's VIPMud from GMA Games. You can get a free trial for it. 
> It's wonderfully accessible.
> 
> I'd love to talk muds with you. Email me off list, if you don't mind. My 
> address is
> solsticesin...@gmail.com
> 
> Shannon
> Shannon Dyer
> Alumni Council Member,
> Guide Dog Foundation for the Blind, Inc
> ®  and
> America's VetDogs®,  The Veteran's K-9 Corps Inc ®
> Providing "Second Sight" ® since 1946
> 371 E. Jericho Turnpike, Smithtown, NY 11787
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> solsticesin...@gmail.com
> To make a donation that can change a life...contact the Guide Dog Foundation 
> at
> www.guidedog.org 
> or America's VetDogs the Veterans K-9 Corps at
> www.vetdogs.org
> Visit us on facebook at: 
> www.facebook.com/GuideDogFoundation or www.facebook.com/AmericasVetDogs
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> I enjoy playing various muds, and was wondering what my options were in 
>> terms of accessible mud clients. I know that muds could theoretically be 
>> played in the terminal, and was wondering whether or not anyone has tried 
>> this. As I'm sure many of you know, mudding successfully  requires a lot of 
>> information to be read to you automatically so that you can quickly keep 
>> track of room descriptions, your status during a battle, etc. Do either the 
>> terminal or any other stand alone mud clients read incoming information 
>> automatically? Thanks so much.
>> Allison
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Re: Focus 40 no Longer Works With Bluetooth

[Daniel McGee]

How about a repair disc provisions. 

Daniel   
On 6 May 2012, at 20:33, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 
> I've restarted my computer twice, removed and re-added the Focus 40, and 
> still it isn't working. This just happened about an hour ago. Is there 
> anything else I can try? I am using the Focus 40 firmware update 4.57.
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
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RE: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Daniel Miller]

I'm confused, what don't you like about iTunes? I happen to absolutely adore
it, and use nothing else.


-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Allison Mervis
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 4:17 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

Thanks so much for sharing this Eric. I'm going to check out vlc as an
alternative player. I like quick look, but there don't seem to be any player
controls.
Allison
On May 6, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Alison and others,
> 
> Well, it looks like I am wrong.  I will post below the info I saved from a
message from Esther.  It seems like the solution is to change the default
player to something else.  In my case I use Amadeus Pro.  This gives me
controls for play back without needing to add the track to iTunes.  I also
learned from Esther about quick look and use that often.
> I think other listers have all ready given this advice.
> 
> 
> One other tip.  If I accidentally do play something in iTunes that I want
to delete I usually go to my recently added play list or my zero rated play
list. to find and delete it.
> 
> Sorry to get your hopes up.
> 
> Esther's directions on how to change the default player are excellent and
that alone makes this post worth keeping for future reference!
> 
> below is Esther's post that helped me with this iTunes issue. 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> start post 
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you
QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app.
This obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is
required to validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or
the iTunes Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased
before they moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.)  Other than that, you can set
the default app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than
iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.).  Just select an mp3 track, and
use Command-I to bring up the  "Get Info" window.  Use item chooser (VO-I)
to navigate to the "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the
pop up button for the application, VO-Space, then select the app you want
other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player or VLC).If you then VO-Right
arrow past the pop up, there's an option to "Use this application to open
all documents like this on
> e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before
closing the get info window with Command-W. 
> 
> I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it
adds the new entries to its library.  Just QuickLook the file instead of
opening it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> 
>> Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really
appreciate it. Have a great day!
>> Allison
>> On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>>> Alison and others,
>>> 
>>> There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add
files when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.
It has been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do
it.  I remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any
means. 
>>> 
>>> So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone
else does.
>>> 
>>> Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a
way.  I also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However,
sometimes I want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in iTunes
and not have to find and delete it later. 
>>> 
>>> eRic Caron  
>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone!
 I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it
more than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to
tell iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I
just want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it
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Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Allison Mervis]

Thanks so much for sharing this Eric. I'm going to check out vlc as an 
alternative player. I like quick look, but there don't seem to be any player 
controls.
Allison
On May 6, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Hi Alison and others,
> 
> Well, it looks like I am wrong.  I will post below the info I saved from a 
> message from Esther.  It seems like the solution is to change the default 
> player to something else.  In my case I use Amadeus Pro.  This gives me 
> controls for play back without needing to add the track to iTunes.  I also 
> learned from Esther about quick look and use that often.
> I think other listers have all ready given this advice.
> 
> 
> One other tip.  If I accidentally do play something in iTunes that I want to 
> delete I usually go to my recently added play list or my zero rated play 
> list. to find and delete it.
> 
> Sorry to get your hopes up.
> 
> Esther's directions on how to change the default player are excellent and 
> that alone makes this post worth keeping for future reference!
> 
> below is Esther's post that helped me with this iTunes issue. 
> 
> Eric Caron 
> 
> start post 
> 
> Hi Eric,
> 
> You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you 
> QuickLook them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app.  This 
> obviously does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is required to 
> validate the DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or the iTunes 
> Store, movies, really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased before they 
> moved to DRM-free purchases, etc.)  Other than that, you can set the default 
> app to open mp3 files, for example, to be something other than iTunes (e.g., 
> VLC, QuickTime Player, etc.).  Just select an mp3 track, and use Command-I to 
> bring up the  "Get Info" window.  Use item chooser (VO-I) to navigate to the 
> "Open with" option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the pop up button for the 
> application, VO-Space, then select the app you want other than iTunes (e.g. 
> QuickTime Player or VLC).If you then VO-Right arrow past the pop up, 
> there's an option to "Use this application to open all documents like this on
> e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before 
> closing the get info window with Command-W. 
> 
> I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it adds 
> the new entries to its library.  Just QuickLook the file instead of opening 
> it if you don't want it to be added to iTunes.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> 
>> Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really 
>> appreciate it. Have a great day!
>> Allison
>> On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
>> 
>>> Alison and others,
>>> 
>>> There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add files 
>>> when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.  It 
>>> has been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do it.  
>>> I remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any means. 
>>> 
>>> So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone else 
>>> does.
>>> 
>>> Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a way.  
>>> I also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However, 
>>> sometimes I want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in 
>>> iTunes and not have to find and delete it later. 
>>> 
>>> eRic Caron  
>>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everyone!
 I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it more 
 than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to 
 tell iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I 
 just want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without 
 it being added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Tim Kilburn]

Siply press your spacebar when focus is on the Install button.  Do not use the 
VO keys with this action.  Also, ensure that you've checked the box to agree 
with the Terms otherwise the Install will not activate.

HTH.

Later...

On 2012-05-06, at 12:26 PM, Rod Skene wrote:

> When the pop-up update appears, I can tab to the install button but I can't 
> activate it. Does anyone know how to activate the install button? Thanks, Rod
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Not necessarily the correct conclusion.  The pop-up could be a malware 
>> attempt to infect your system.
>> 
>> I suggest you go to Adobe's site and do the install from there.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-05-06, at 8:37 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> mmm i think it's installed because i get things to play in flash, but don't 
>>> see a flash player option in system preferences.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> regards
>>> Maria and crew from australia
>>> email:
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> check out 
>>> www.powerradio104.us
>>> where we play lots of great music
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 07/05/2012, at 12:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If Flash Player is already installed, there will be an item in your System 
 Preferences called "Flash Player".  This is where you can do the update if 
 you are uncomfortable with the automatic and possibly problematic pop-up 
 version.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2012-05-06, at 8:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
 
> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
> update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
> install.  
> 
> thanks
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  
>> For updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
>> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just 
>> remember that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just 
>> use the tab key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and 
>> spacebar without the VO keys.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Guys.
>>> I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
>>> think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go 
>>> to uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services 
>>> when I can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, 
>>> etc., it does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, 
>>> if I uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the 
>>> service? 
>>> 
>>> I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
>>> Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if 
>>> I wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it 
>>> there so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 Ah, thanks for the info.
 
 Jenny
 On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the 
>> Adobi Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of 
>> bugging me about it constantly?
>> 
>> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
>> 
>> Jenny
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Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Eric Caron]

Hi Alison and others,

Well, it looks like I am wrong.  I will post below the info I saved from a 
message from Esther.  It seems like the solution is to change the default 
player to something else.  In my case I use Amadeus Pro.  This gives me 
controls for play back without needing to add the track to iTunes.  I also 
learned from Esther about quick look and use that often.
I think other listers have all ready given this advice.


One other tip.  If I accidentally do play something in iTunes that I want to 
delete I usually go to my recently added play list or my zero rated play list. 
to find and delete it.

Sorry to get your hopes up.

Esther's directions on how to change the default player are excellent and that 
alone makes this post worth keeping for future reference!

below is Esther's post that helped me with this iTunes issue. 

Eric Caron 

start post 

Hi Eric,

You can play tracks without adding them to your iTunes library if you QuickLook 
them by pressing space bar instead of opening them in an app.  This obviously 
does not work for DRM protected apps, since iTunes is required to validate the 
DRM (e.g. with audiobooks purchased from Audible or the iTunes Store, movies, 
really old iTunes Music tracks that were purchased before they moved to 
DRM-free purchases, etc.)  Other than that, you can set the default app to open 
mp3 files, for example, to be something other than iTunes (e.g., VLC, QuickTime 
Player, etc.).  Just select an mp3 track, and use Command-I to bring up the  
"Get Info" window.  Use item chooser (VO-I) to navigate to the "Open with" 
option: specifically VO-Right arrow to the pop up button for the application, 
VO-Space, then select the app you want other than iTunes (e.g. QuickTime Player 
or VLC).If you then VO-Right arrow past the pop up, there's an option to 
"Use this application to open all documents like this on
e." followed by a "Change All" button that you can press (VO-Space) before 
closing the get info window with Command-W. 

I think that as long as iTunes is the default app for opening a file, it adds 
the new entries to its library.  Just QuickLook the file instead of opening it 
if you don't want it to be added to iTunes.

HTH.  Cheers,

Esther

On May 6, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really 
> appreciate it. Have a great day!
> Allison
> On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:
> 
>> Alison and others,
>> 
>>  There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add files 
>> when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.  It has 
>> been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do it.  I 
>> remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any means. 
>> 
>>  So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone else 
>> does.
>> 
>> Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a way.  I 
>> also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However, sometimes I 
>> want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in iTunes and not 
>> have to find and delete it later. 
>> 
>> eRic Caron  
>> On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone!
>>> I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it more 
>>> than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to tell 
>>> iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I just 
>>> want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it 
>>> being added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>>> Allison
>>> 
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Re: uninstalling

[Alex Hall]

What about those apps that come with an installer. Don't they put
files in other places that you would have to find and delete?

On 5/6/12, Matt Dierckens  wrote:
> Hi,
> You got it. Just find the application you want to remove in your
> applications folder, and press cmd delete.
> Matt
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>
> On 2012-05-06, at 12:02 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:
>
>> on the mac how do you remove a program? do you just delete it from the
>> applications list or is there a way to uninstall it?
>>
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Focus 40 no Longer Works With Bluetooth

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi, all,

I've restarted my computer twice, removed and re-added the Focus 40, and still 
it isn't working. This just happened about an hour ago. Is there anything else 
I can try? I am using the Focus 40 firmware update 4.57.

Thanks,
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RSS reader that can handle podcasts.

[Allison Mervis]

Hi everyone.
Is there an accessible  RSS reader that can handle both text-based rss feeds 
and podcasts? I really don't want to use iTunes for podcasts, and it would be 
wonderful if all of my feeds were located in one place. I know that mail can 
handle rss feeds, but does it also handle podcasts as well? Will it force me to 
try to use iTunes if I subscribe to a podcast feed? Thank you.
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Re: how to delete an application from your i-phone 4.s.

[chris hallsworth]

On the home screen double tap and hold on the app's icon until it says 
moving app. Let go then double tap on the icon again. To confirm double 
tap delete.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 06/05/2012 19:15, Chenelle Hancock wrote:

hi all,
i wanted to know how do you delete  an application from your i-phone 4.s. using 
voice over? thanks a lot
chenelle.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2012, at 1:25 PM, macvisionaries@googlegroups.com wrote:


   Today's Topic Summary
Group: http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries/topics

How do I save a voice memo sent from my wife's iPhone? [1 Update]
how to save audio from youtube [2 Updates]
uninstalling [2 Updates]
Learning To Use Fission [3 Updates]
Mudding on the mac. [1 Update]
adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this? [6 Updates]
Switch, got it working [1 Update]
Launching a boot camp windows installation from mfusion [1 Update]
defining single key for vo keys? [2 Updates]
Dvd burning software mac [1 Update]
Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library. [1 Update]
Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod 
cast? [2 Updates]
MenuTab [2 Updates]
  How do I save a voice memo sent from my wife's iPhone?
Kevin Gibbs  May 06 10:10AM -0700

If I save the file by the means you mentioned, will importing the memo
into iTunes reference it at this location such as on the desktop, or
will it actually move a copy of the file into my physical iTunes
library?  I don't want to keep a copy of this memo on my desktop once
I've imported it into iTunes.I seem to recall that saving a file from
drop box onto my desktop had this problem when I imported that file
into iTunes. Actually, the problem was that I played the file in
iTunes and from then on it saved it to that position on the desktop.


  how to save audio from youtube
"Brent Harding"  May 06 10:00AM -0500

I used one that works at the command line that gets the flv file down, and
then converted to audio I can play, but that youtube downloader thing might
be linux only unless it could be compiled and run on a mac in terminal.

- Original Message -
From: "John Sanfilippo"
To:
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: how to save audio from youtube


I often use

http://youtube-mp3.com

I've long ago given up on using some onboard app to convert.

Be aware that there is a 20 minute limit on the length of the original
video.

It's great for short things.

Just my 2 cents.

js


On May 6, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi listers,

I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover
friendly app information. On my macbook running Lion, what do you all use to
save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I could turn to windows and
use total recorder there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution,
for the mac. How does one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for that
matter, on the hard disk?

I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly
inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more like a huge video program
that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as a bonus, making that
hard to find, so I gave up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple,
straight forward, and hopefully voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist
to your knowledge? Any ideas?

Paul.

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John Sanfilippo  May 06 12:49PM -0400

Oops, I gave the wrong URL. This is correct:

http://yutube-mp3.org

Basically, you copy the URL of the item you want converted, then go to 
youtube-mp3.org, paste it in the text edit field, press the provided convert 
button, wait a moment, then press the download button.

All done.

js


  uninstalling
craig J Dunlop  May 06 11:02AM -0500

on the mac how do you remove a program? do you just delete it from the 
applications list or is there a way to uninstall it?


Matt Dierckens  May 06 12:34PM -0400

Hi,
You got it. Just find the application you want to remove in your applications 
folder, and press cmd delete.
Matt
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skype: blindman3221

On 2012-05-06, at 12:02 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:



  Learning To Use Fission
Scott Rumery  May 06 11:36AM -0400

Hello, I am trying to learn how to use Fission with Voice Over and I am having 

Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Allison Mervis]

Thanks so much Eric. If you're able to find the info, I would really appreciate 
it. Have a great day!
Allison
On May 6, 2012, at 7:46 AM, Eric Caron wrote:

> Alison and others,
> 
>   There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add files 
> when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.  It has 
> been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do it.  I 
> remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any means. 
> 
>   So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone else 
> does.
> 
> Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a way.  I 
> also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However, sometimes I 
> want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in iTunes and not have 
> to find and delete it later. 
> 
> eRic Caron  
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it more 
>> than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to tell 
>> iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I just 
>> want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it being 
>> added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
>> Allison
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Re: Firefox, Was Re: Solving a capcha problem

[Teresa Cochran]

You need to go to the nightly builds site. http://nightly.mozilla.org/ .

hTH,
Teresa

"Visualize whirled peas."

On May 6, 2012, at 6:52 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

>  HI.  went to the website and downloaded fire fox. when i launch it though i 
> just get  minimize close and zoom.  do i have the wrong version?  
> 
> thanks
> 
> Blessings! Maria Joe and loving guide Karly.
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> twitter: bubbygirl 
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> 
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2012, at 4:40 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> It's now possible to solve these in Firefox. However, the nightly builds are 
>> not stable, and if you think the "busy" messages are annoying in Safari, 
>> they are much more frequent in Firefox. I have succeeded in getting the 
>> WebVisum extension, but at the moment, it may be more trouble than it's 
>> worth, depending on your willingness to tough it out. I'm going to try this 
>> the next time I have to solve one, though.
>> 
>> My other option is to use Firefox in Linux with Fusion, which works quite 
>> nicely.
>> 
>> Here's the URL with the Firefox nightly builds: http://nightly.mozilla.org/
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "Slow down; you'll get there faster."
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> There are many sites which now have an audio capcha, but there are plenty 
>>> which do not have this. On some, you cannot even contact anyone via an 
>>> email contact form without solving a capcha. I don't know why they cannot 
>>> simply give a simple arithmetic problem or some other query which has an 
>>> obvious litery or numerical answer for everyone.
>>> Christine
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:
>>> 
 Hi
 yes, you can. in most of the popular sites, you find an option to try
 an audio capture. you will listen a few numbers or, in some cases,
 words along with a lot of background speech. you should be able to
 type only the numbers that you hear.
 I would suggest you use headphones while doing this for better results.
 I would like to add to the question.
 I often don't succeed in entering the words or numbers successfully.
 well, am I not so good at it just yet, or are there any tips that
 would make this process easier?
 Thank you.
 Venkatesh Potluri
 
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> Listers,
> 
> How can I deal with a capture on a web page? Can it be done without
> sighted assistance?
> 
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> 
> Andrew
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Rod Skene]

When the pop-up update appears, I can tab to the install button but I can't 
activate it. Does anyone know how to activate the install button? Thanks, Rod

Sent from my iPhone

On May 6, 2012, at 10:54 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Not necessarily the correct conclusion.  The pop-up could be a malware 
> attempt to infect your system.
> 
> I suggest you go to Adobe's site and do the install from there.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-05-06, at 8:37 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> mmm i think it's installed because i get things to play in flash, but don't 
>> see a flash player option in system preferences.
>> 
>> 
>>  regards
>> Maria and crew from australia
>> email:
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> check out 
>> www.powerradio104.us
>> where we play lots of great music
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/05/2012, at 12:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If Flash Player is already installed, there will be an item in your System 
>>> Preferences called "Flash Player".  This is where you can do the update if 
>>> you are uncomfortable with the automatic and possibly problematic pop-up 
>>> version.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-06, at 8:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> 
 Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
 update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
 install.  
 
 thanks
 
 God Bless! Maria from australia
  Newbie mac user.
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 will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
 skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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> Hi,
> 
> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  
> For updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just 
> remember that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just 
> use the tab key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and 
> spacebar without the VO keys.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi Guys.
>> I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
>> think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to 
>> uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services 
>> when I can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, 
>> etc., it does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, 
>> if I uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the 
>> service? 
>> 
>> I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
>> Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if 
>> I wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it 
>> there so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah, thanks for the info.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
 security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
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> Hi,
> 
> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the 
> Adobi Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of 
> bugging me about it constantly?
> 
> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
> 
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Re: drop box

[Ray Foret Jr]

Well, you are doing nothing wrong.  It's a quark of the way Drop box menus are 
accessed.  It's a bit tricky.

1.  Make sure that, in Voice Over utilities, you set VO to report when the 
mouse enters a new window.

2.  Now, Press Control+F8 to access the Universal access menu.

3.  Now, Move your finger along the very top of the track pad exactly in a 
straight line until you hear, "Drop Box".  Lift your finger off the pad.

4.  Now, press the down arrow key to get in to the menu.  Whether or not you 
can access the preferences window from here is a hit or miss proposition.  

Drop Box has yet to substantively address this issue of accessibility 
for us despite very many of us writing them time and time and time again.  All 
any of us get is a generic, "We're are aware of it and are working on it."
 That explains why, from time to time, you'll see one or other of us come on 
here and ask whether an alternative to Drop Box has been found.  To the best of 
my knowledge, the answer, so far, is no.

Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
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On May 6, 2012, at 12:26 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:

> I got my drop box setup and all my folders appeared when it opened for the 
> first time. but now when I go back in to it vo tells me dropbox has no 
> windows. what am I doing wrong?
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Re: Adding Stuff To the Dock: How'd I Miss This?!

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
Well I can help with that!
When sitting on the Item you wish to move just hold down Option+command then 
arrow with either left or right  and voice over will tell you what you are 
moving and what you are moving past!
In my case I use up and down arrows because I've got the doc on the left of my 
screen!
hth Colin

On 6 May 2012, at 18:48, craig J Dunlop wrote:

> thanks! this is a big help. now I just need to remember how to rearrange the 
> apps on the dock.
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:
> 
>> Hi y'all,
>> 
>> This has, apparently, been a keyboard shortcut of r a long time, and I 
>> missed it! I've confirmed that this works on older versions, as I'm setting 
>> up an older Macbook with Snow Leopard on it for someone right now. If this 
>> is old news, I apologise for boring y'all with it. However, I've been using 
>> Voiceover since it came out on Tiger (with a bit of an absence in between), 
>> and been using it regularly since 2007, so think of myself as being pretty 
>> competent with this platform. 
>> 
>> Anyway, I'd always advised that putting stuff in the dock is most easily 
>> accomplished by running the application first, then selecting "Keep in dock" 
>> in the options on the context menu. This, however, didn't work for putting 
>> folders in the dock.
>> 
>> But I accidentally found a shortcut key. In the finder, find the folder, 
>> app, whatever, that you want put in your dock, and press cmd+shift+t 
>> Voiceover will say "Add to dock". Voila, it's on your dock. This works for 
>> folders or even individual files. 
>> 
>> Ya learn something new every day, I guess. Even if you've been around a 
>> while.
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>> 
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Re: Adding Stuff To the Dock: How'd I Miss This?!

[craig J Dunlop]

thanks! this is a big help. now I just need to remember how to rearrange the 
apps on the dock.

On May 6, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote:

> Hi y'all,
> 
> This has, apparently, been a keyboard shortcut of r a long time, and I missed 
> it! I've confirmed that this works on older versions, as I'm setting up an 
> older Macbook with Snow Leopard on it for someone right now. If this is old 
> news, I apologize for boring y'all with it. However, I've been using 
> Voiceover since it came out on Tiger (with a bit of an absence in between), 
> and been using it regularly since 2007, so think of myself as being pretty 
> competent with this platform. 
> 
> Anyway, I'd always advised that putting stuff in the dock is most easily 
> accomplished by running the application first, then selecting "Keep in dock" 
> in the options on the context menu. This, however, didn't work for putting 
> folders in the dock.
> 
> But I accidentally found a shortcut key. In the finder, find the folder, app, 
> whatever, that you want put in your dock, and press cmd+shift+t Voiceover 
> will say "Add to dock". Voila, it's on your dock. This works for folders or 
> even individual files. 
> 
> Ya learn something new every day, I guess. Even if you've been around a while.
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Re: how to save audio from youtube

[Donna Goodin]

Never mind.  When I typed in the URL manually, it worked exactly as you 
describe.  Very cool! thanks for passing that along.
Best,
Donna
On May 6, 2012, at 12:49 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote:

> Oops, I gave the wrong URL. This is correct:
> 
> http://yutube-mp3.org
> 
> Basically, you copy the URL of the item you want converted, then go to 
> youtube-mp3.org, paste it in the text edit field, press the provided convert 
> button, wait a moment, then press the download button.
> 
> All done.
> 
> js
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RE: free m4a to mp3?

[alberto arreola]

Hi, yes there is.

 

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[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Maria Chapman
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:00 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: free m4a to mp3?

 

Now that i think about it.  isn't there a way to convert m4a to mp3 using
itunes?

 

 

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Maria and crew from australia

email:

bubbygirl1...@gmail.com

check out 

www.powerradio104.us

where we play lots of great music

 

 

 

On 06/05/2012, at 10:55 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:





I didn't know switch worked with the mac. I'll go to apple vis.

 

On May 6, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:





hi.  what about switch?

 

that's one i'm using at the moment i saw it on aple vis.

 

hth

 

 

 

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will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   

skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 

 

 

 

 

 





 

On 06/05/2012, at 9:00 AM, Lisette wesseling wrote:





Hi Stacy
I have recently purchased a very accessible mp3 converter called "mp3
converter" from the app store. It was about $5 NZ so not expensive. You have
to go into the app, add the files you want to convert and it does it. Very
easy to use and not expensive. It takes all sorts of formats and converts
them to MP3. You can't just point at a file and do the convert from there -
you have to go into the app itself to do it but it does a nice job with lots
of sample rate choices. And you can do multiple files at once.

Lisette 
On 6/05/2012, at 7:49 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:




Hi,

Is there a program or utility out there that is accessible that will allow
me to highlight a file then go into the context menu to convert it to mp3.

Example, If I have something in dropbox that needs to be converted, I don't
want to go into itunes.

I'd like to be able to highlight it and convert.

If there's something out there, where do I get it and how do I install it?

Thanks,

When I was using windows, I used a program called switch.

 

 

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Adding Stuff To the Dock: How'd I Miss This?!

[Buddy Brannan]

Hi y'all,

This has, apparently, been a keyboard shortcut of r a long time, and I missed 
it! I've confirmed that this works on older versions, as I'm setting up an 
older Macbook with Snow Leopard on it for someone right now. If this is old 
news, I apologize for boring y'all with it. However, I've been using Voiceover 
since it came out on Tiger (with a bit of an absence in between), and been 
using it regularly since 2007, so think of myself as being pretty competent 
with this platform. 

Anyway, I'd always advised that putting stuff in the dock is most easily 
accomplished by running the application first, then selecting "Keep in dock" in 
the options on the context menu. This, however, didn't work for putting folders 
in the dock.

But I accidentally found a shortcut key. In the finder, find the folder, app, 
whatever, that you want put in your dock, and press cmd+shift+t Voiceover will 
say "Add to dock". Voila, it's on your dock. This works for folders or even 
individual files. 

Ya learn something new every day, I guess. Even if you've been around a while.
--
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RE: how to save audio from youtube

[alberto arreola]

Hi, have you tried you tube downloader?  It allows you to download videos
from you tube and then you can convert them to a couple different formats
there.

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Subject: how to save audio from youtube

Hi listers,

I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover
friendly app information. On my macbook running Lion, what do you all use to
save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I could turn to windows and
use total recorder there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution,
for the mac. How does one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for that
matter, on the hard disk?

I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly
inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more like a huge video program
that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as a bonus, making that
hard to find, so I gave up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple,
straight forward, and hopefully voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist
to your knowledge? Any ideas?

Paul.

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Re: how to save audio from youtube

[Donna Goodin]

Are you sure about this?  I just tried, and I see neither text field nor 
convert button.
Best,
Donna
On May 6, 2012, at 12:49 PM, John Sanfilippo wrote:

> Oops, I gave the wrong URL. This is correct:
> 
> http://yutube-mp3.org
> 
> Basically, you copy the URL of the item you want converted, then go to 
> youtube-mp3.org, paste it in the text edit field, press the provided convert 
> button, wait a moment, then press the download button.
> 
> All done.
> 
> js
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drop box

[craig J Dunlop]

I got my drop box setup and all my folders appeared when it opened for the 
first time. but now when I go back in to it vo tells me dropbox has no windows. 
what am I doing wrong?

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Re: How do I save a voice memo sent from my wife's iPhone?

[Kevin Gibbs]

If I save the file by the means you mentioned, will importing the memo
into iTunes reference it at this location such as on the desktop, or
will it actually move a copy of the file into my physical iTunes
library?  I don't want to keep a copy of this memo on my desktop once
I've imported it into iTunes.I seem to recall that saving a file from
drop box onto my desktop had this problem when I imported that file
into iTunes. Actually, the problem was that I played the file in
iTunes and from then on it saved it to that position on the desktop.

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Re: how to save audio from youtube

[John Sanfilippo]

Oops, I gave the wrong URL. This is correct:

http://yutube-mp3.org

Basically, you copy the URL of the item you want converted, then go to 
youtube-mp3.org, paste it in the text edit field, press the provided convert 
button, wait a moment, then press the download button.

All done.

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Re: uninstalling

[Matt Dierckens]

Hi,
You got it. Just find the application you want to remove in your applications 
folder, and press cmd delete.
Matt
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> on the mac how do you remove a program? do you just delete it from the 
> applications list or is there a way to uninstall it?
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Re: Learning To Use Fission

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

When I use Fission to edit audio, I do the following:

• Listen to the audio then press spacebar to stop at the start-spot where I 
wish the Ringtone to begin.
• Press cmd-t to "Split" the clip at that spot.
• Press cmd-[ or cmd-] to select either the Previous or Next Clip.
• Press cmd-k to Crop the selected audio.
• Play through the audio to the end of what I wish included in the Ringtone, 
press spacebar to pause and cmd-t to Split the Clip at the Playhead.
• Repeat the process to trim it to the correct length for iPhone Ringtones.

Note that sometimes it's confusing whether you should select the Next or 
Previous clip for trimming but if you mess up, just press cmd-z to Undo your 
oops.  Fission will remember many of the last applied edits so you can undo 
numerous times or simply Revert it back to original.

Once everything is the way you want it to be, go under the File menu to find 
the Save As iPhone Ringtone option.

HTH.

Later...


On 2012-05-06, at 9:36 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:

> Hello, I am trying to learn how to use Fission with Voice Over and I am 
> having some trouble.  For those of you that don't know what Fission is, I 
> will let you know that Fission is an audio editor for the Mac.  It can be 
> used to make iPhone ringtones, and this is what I am trying to use it for.  I 
> know that you can make your ringtones with iTunes and I have become very good 
> at making my ringtones this way, but a friend of mine told me a few days ago 
> about Fission and that it is very easy to use for making ringtones, so I 
> thought that I would give it a look.
> 
>   The trouble that I seem to be having is that when I open an audio file 
> in the program and then try to set the beginning and end points in the file, 
> the beginning and end points seem to be in synch with each other.  By this I 
> mean that when I move one, the other moves right along with it.  I have been 
> through every setting to see if there is something that I am missing, and I 
> can't seem to find out what it is that I am doing wrong.
> 
>   Is there anyone on the list who knows how to use this program, and if 
> so would they be willing to post some basic instructions for me.
> 
> Thank you very much,
> Scott
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Re: Mudding on the mac.

[Shannon Dyer]

Hi, Allison.

I haven't found a good client for the Mac. I use a windows client  on my 
virtual machine. It's VIPMud from GMA Games. You can get a free trial for it. 
It's wonderfully accessible.

I'd love to talk muds with you. Email me off list, if you don't mind. My 
address is
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Shannon
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On May 6, 2012, at 1:23 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> I enjoy playing various muds, and was wondering what my options were in terms 
> of accessible mud clients. I know that muds could theoretically be played in 
> the terminal, and was wondering whether or not anyone has tried this. As I'm 
> sure many of you know, mudding successfully  requires a lot of information to 
> be read to you automatically so that you can quickly keep track of room 
> descriptions, your status during a battle, etc. Do either the terminal or any 
> other stand alone mud clients read incoming information automatically? Thanks 
> so much.
> Allison
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uninstalling

[craig J Dunlop]

on the mac how do you remove a program? do you just delete it from the 
applications list or is there a way to uninstall it?

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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Tim Kilburn]

Not necessarily the correct conclusion.  The pop-up could be a malware attempt 
to infect your system.

I suggest you go to Adobe's site and do the install from there.

Later...

On 2012-05-06, at 8:37 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> mmm i think it's installed because i get things to play in flash, but don't 
> see a flash player option in system preferences.
> 
> 
>   regards
> Maria and crew from australia
> email:
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> check out 
> www.powerradio104.us
> where we play lots of great music
> 
> 
> 
> On 07/05/2012, at 12:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If Flash Player is already installed, there will be an item in your System 
>> Preferences called "Flash Player".  This is where you can do the update if 
>> you are uncomfortable with the automatic and possibly problematic pop-up 
>> version.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-05-06, at 8:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
>>> update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
>>> install.  
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>>  Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  
 For updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
 Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just 
 remember that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just use 
 the tab key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and 
 spacebar without the VO keys.
 
 Later...
 
 On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
 
> Hi Guys.
> I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
> think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to 
> uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services when 
> I can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, etc., 
> it does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, if I 
> uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the service? 
> 
> I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
> Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if I 
> wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it 
> there so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
> 
> Regards,
> Gigi
> 
> Eugenia Firth
> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> Ah, thanks for the info.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
>>> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
>>> 
>>> Jonathan Cohn
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the Adobi 
 Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of bugging me 
 about it constantly?
 
 Hope so cause it gets rather old.
 
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Switch, got it working

[Stacey Robinson]

Hi all,
Thanks to Maria and everyone.
I now have switch for the mac and it's working great.
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Re: Learning To Use Fission

[Krysti .Power]

Fission is not that bad  I used it
On 2012-05-06 12:36 PM, "Scott Rumery"  wrote:

> Hello, I am trying to learn how to use Fission with Voice Over and I am
> having some trouble.  For those of you that don't know what Fission is, I
> will let you know that Fission is an audio editor for the Mac.  It can be
> used to make iPhone ringtones, and this is what I am trying to use it for.
>  I know that you can make your ringtones with iTunes and I have become very
> good at making my ringtones this way, but a friend of mine told me a few
> days ago about Fission and that it is very easy to use for making
> ringtones, so I thought that I would give it a look.
>
>The trouble that I seem to be having is that when I open an audio
> file in the program and then try to set the beginning and end points in the
> file, the beginning and end points seem to be in synch with each other.  By
> this I mean that when I move one, the other moves right along with it.  I
> have been through every setting to see if there is something that I am
> missing, and I can't seem to find out what it is that I am doing wrong.
>
>Is there anyone on the list who knows how to use this program, and
> if so would they be willing to post some basic instructions for me.
>
> Thank you very much,
> Scott
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Learning To Use Fission

[Scott Rumery]

Hello, I am trying to learn how to use Fission with Voice Over and I am having 
some trouble.  For those of you that don't know what Fission is, I will let you 
know that Fission is an audio editor for the Mac.  It can be used to make 
iPhone ringtones, and this is what I am trying to use it for.  I know that you 
can make your ringtones with iTunes and I have become very good at making my 
ringtones this way, but a friend of mine told me a few days ago about Fission 
and that it is very easy to use for making ringtones, so I thought that I would 
give it a look.

The trouble that I seem to be having is that when I open an audio file 
in the program and then try to set the beginning and end points in the file, 
the beginning and end points seem to be in synch with each other.  By this I 
mean that when I move one, the other moves right along with it.  I have been 
through every setting to see if there is something that I am missing, and I 
can't seem to find out what it is that I am doing wrong.

Is there anyone on the list who knows how to use this program, and if 
so would they be willing to post some basic instructions for me.

Thank you very much,
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Launching a boot camp windows installation from mfusion

[Paul Hunt]

Hello everyone. I have Windos 7 running in a Virtual machine with Vmfusion. I 
am considering reinstalling Windows in a boot camp partition and accessing it 
with bmfusion to get better performance and get focus vraille displays. I know 
how to install it in boot camp. How do I launch it in vmfusion and will 
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Re: defining single key for vo keys?

[Eric Caron]

Hi Alex, Jonathan and others,

This is a great thread but I must say that I still think it would be 
very very helpful to be able to have the Voice Over key be one key.  I ordered 
a full USB keyboard about a year ago so that I could use the num pad commander. 
 I like it a lot, but frankly, I would not need it if the Voice Over key could 
be assigned to the caps lock key.  It is a matter of keeping my fingers on the 
home keys.  I'm much faster on the keyboard if I can just leave my fingers on 
the home row and type away.  But with Voice Over keys needing two fingers I 
just can't do that. Further on the portables VO keys are only on the left side. 
 this forces me to do all kinds of finger contortions to do a simple command.  
I'm glad Voice Over gives us lots of ways to do things.  I use them all but, 
every 6 months or so I write to accessibility@@apple.com and ask please please 
can I have the caps lock key assignably as the VO keys?  It would be great to 
have this be one more VO option.

It was a thread like this one that caused me to purchase a full size keyboard, 
so I could use the num pad commander.  This helped a great deal.  Still it is 
time for me to write my next reminder to apple!

Warmly,

ERic Caron 

On May 5, 2012, at 10:02 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> 90% of what I need to do can be done with the numpad commander.  I did add 
> two additional keystrokes to the default Lion commander.
> 
> 1.  On the "3" key I added the jump command that gets executed with VO-J
> 2. With the Enter key I have it set to toggle betweenWeb dom and group mode.  
> 
> The defaults are 
> 1. Item chooser 
> 2. down 
> 3. Jump
> 4. Left
> 5. Default action (same as vo-space)
> 6. Right
> 7. Interact with item
> 8  up
> 
> 9 . Stop Interacting
> 
> The 3 keys on the top row above 789 are
> Doc, Menu , and window chooser
> 
> The plus key brings up the contextual menu.
> 
> I also use the insert + numpad keys for getting to next/previous 
> heading, link, visited link, table, control and hot spot.
> 
> If there is a specific function you need help with, I can probably tell you 
> where it is.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> True. I don't have a trackpad, but I do have a numpad, I often forget
>> I set up a commander for it though.
>> 
>> On 5/5/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
>>> And if you are looking for a way to navigate without having to hold those
>>> keys down you always have quick nav, trackpad commander, and numpad
>>> commander assuming you have a numberpad on your keyboard.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
>>> 
 I know of no way to do this. However, you can use VO-semicolon to lock the
 VO keys on. It's a toggle, so you can press it again to turn it off.
 
 HTH,
 Teresa
 I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
 
> Hi all,
> I have an odd question. Is it possible to define a single key to act
> as the VO keys? So, instead of holding down alt and control (whatever
> the mac calls them) you hold down only one? Please don't start saying
> that "you just want windows-like control". It's simply that hitting a
> single key, be it insert or not, with other keys to input commands is
> more streamlined and easier to do, IMHO. So, if it's possible to map
> VO comman keys to be something different, could anyone tell me how?
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: defining single key for vo keys?

[Eric Caron]

Hi Alex, Jonathan and others,

This is a great thread but I must say that I still think it would be 
very very helpful to be able to have the Voice Over key be one key.  I ordered 
a full USB keyboard about a year ago so that I could use the num pad commander. 
 I like it a lot, but frankly, I would not need it if the Voice Over key could 
be assigned to the caps lock key.  It is a matter of keeping my fingers on the 
home keys.  I'm much faster on the keyboard if I can just leave my fingers on 
the home row and type away.  But with Voice Over keys needing two fingers I 
just can't do that.  Further on the portables VO keys are only on the left 
side.  this forces me to do all kinds of finger contortions to do a simple 
command.  I'm glad Voice Over gives us lots of ways to do things.  I use them 
all but, every 6 months or so I write to accessibility@@apple.com and ask 
please please can I have the caps lock key assignably as the VO keys?  It would 
be great to have this be one more VO option.

It was a thread like this one that caused me to purchase a full size keyboard, 
so I could use the num pad commander.  This helped a great deal.  Still it is 
time for me to write my next reminder to apple!

Warmly,

eRic Caron 
On May 6, 2012, at 8:24 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> The insert key has been a legit modifier for the numpad commander in both 
> Snow Leopard and Lion.  I don't believe you can use it as a modifier for the 
> keypad commander.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> Jonathan C. Cohn
> jonc...@cox.net
> 
> 
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> How'd you define insert as a modifier for the commander? I haven't
>> looked recently, but I don't remember being able to add keys as well
>> as keystrokes with a modifier.
>> 
>> On 5/5/12, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>>> 90% of what I need to do can be done with the numpad commander.  I did add
>>> two additional keystrokes to the default Lion commander.
>>> 
>>> 1.  On the "3" key I added the jump command that gets executed with VO-J
>>> 2. With the Enter key I have it set to toggle betweenWeb dom and group mode.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The defaults are
>>> 1. Item chooser
>>> 2. down
>>> 3. Jump
>>> 4. Left
>>> 5. Default action (same as vo-space)
>>> 6. Right
>>> 7. Interact with item
>>> 8  up
>>> 
>>> 9 . Stop Interacting
>>> 
>>> The 3 keys on the top row above 789 are
>>> Doc, Menu , and window chooser
>>> 
>>> The plus key brings up the contextual menu.
>>> 
>>> I also use the insert + numpad keys for getting to next/previous
>>> heading, link, visited link, table, control and hot spot.
>>> 
>>> If there is a specific function you need help with, I can probably tell you
>>> where it is.
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>>> jonc...@cox.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>>> 
 True. I don't have a trackpad, but I do have a numpad, I often forget
 I set up a commander for it though.
 
 On 5/5/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
> And if you are looking for a way to navigate without having to hold those
> keys down you always have quick nav, trackpad commander, and numpad
> commander assuming you have a numberpad on your keyboard.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
> 
>> I know of no way to do this. However, you can use VO-semicolon to lock
>> the
>> VO keys on. It's a toggle, so you can press it again to turn it off.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> Teresa
>> I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have an odd question. Is it possible to define a single key to act
>>> as the VO keys? So, instead of holding down alt and control (whatever
>>> the mac calls them) you hold down only one? Please don't start saying
>>> that "you just want windows-like control". It's simply that hitting a
>>> single key, be it insert or not, with other keys to input commands is
>>> more streamlined and easier to do, IMHO. So, if it's possible to map
>>> VO comman keys to be something different, could anyone tell me how?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Alex (msg sent from GMail website)
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Re: how to save audio from youtube

[Brent Harding]

I used one that works at the command line that gets the flv file down, and 
then converted to audio I can play, but that youtube downloader thing might 
be linux only unless it could be compiled and run on a mac in terminal.


- Original Message - 
From: "John Sanfilippo" 

To: 
Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: how to save audio from youtube


I often use

http://youtube-mp3.com

I've long ago given up on using some onboard app to convert.

Be aware that there is a 20 minute limit on the length of the original 
video.


It's great for short things.

Just my 2 cents.

js


On May 6, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi listers,

I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover 
friendly app information. On my macbook running Lion, what do you all use to 
save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I could turn to windows and 
use total recorder there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution, 
for the mac. How does one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for that 
matter, on the hard disk?


I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly 
inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more like a huge video program 
that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as a bonus, making that 
hard to find, so I gave up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple, 
straight forward, and hopefully voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist 
to your knowledge? Any ideas?


Paul.

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Dvd burning software mac

[Krysti .Power]

What is a good dvd burning software on the mac side so u can play it in
your dvd player
On 2012-05-06 11:46 AM, "Eric Caron"  wrote:
>
> Alison and others,
>
>There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add
files when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.
 It has been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do
it.  I remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any
means.
>
>So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone
else does.
>
> Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a way.
 I also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However,
sometimes I want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in
iTunes and not have to find and delete it later.
>
> eRic Caron
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone!
> > I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it
more than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to
tell iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I
just want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it
being added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> > Allison
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Re: Setting to not automatically add files to iTunes library.

[Eric Caron]

Alison and others,

There is a way to set up iTunes so it does not automatically add files 
when played.  I learned how to do it from Esther quite som time ago.  It has 
been a long time so I'll have to search my notes to find how to do it.  I 
remember it was not hard to do but it was also not obvious by any means. 

So, there is a way but I'll have to get back to you unless someone else 
does.

Sorry this is only half a answer but I wanted you to know there is a way.  I 
also usually use quick look by pressing the space bar.  However, sometimes I 
want the iTunes controls and it is nice to open a file in iTunes and not have 
to find and delete it later. 

eRic Caron  
On Apr 29, 2012, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> Hi everyone!
> I recently got a beautiful new Macboook pro, and find myself using it more 
> than my pc because it's so portable. I'm wondering if there's a way to tell 
> iTunes not to add every file I play to my iTunes library. Sometimes I just 
> want to select a file in the finder, play it once, and exit without it being 
> added. Any assistance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
> Allison
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.

mmm i think it's installed because i get things to play in flash, but don't see 
a flash player option in system preferences.


regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
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check out 
www.powerradio104.us
where we play lots of great music



On 07/05/2012, at 12:35 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If Flash Player is already installed, there will be an item in your System 
> Preferences called "Flash Player".  This is where you can do the update if 
> you are uncomfortable with the automatic and possibly problematic pop-up 
> version.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-05-06, at 8:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
>> update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
>> install.  
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  
>>> For updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
>>> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just remember 
>>> that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just use the tab 
>>> key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and spacebar without 
>>> the VO keys.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Guys.
 I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
 think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to 
 uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services when 
 I can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, etc., it 
 does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, if I 
 uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the service? 
 
 I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
 Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if I 
 wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it 
 there so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
 
> Ah, thanks for the info.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
>> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the Adobi 
>>> Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of bugging me 
>>> about it constantly?
>>> 
>>> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> 
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

If Flash Player is already installed, there will be an item in your System 
Preferences called "Flash Player".  This is where you can do the update if you 
are uncomfortable with the automatic and possibly problematic pop-up version.

Later...

On 2012-05-06, at 8:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
> update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
> install.  
> 
> thanks
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  For 
>> updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
>> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just remember 
>> that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just use the tab 
>> key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and spacebar without 
>> the VO keys.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Guys.
>>> I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
>>> think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to 
>>> uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services when I 
>>> can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, etc., it 
>>> does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, if I 
>>> uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the service? 
>>> 
>>> I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
>>> Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if I 
>>> wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it there 
>>> so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 Ah, thanks for the info.
 
 Jenny
 On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
> 
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> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
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>> 
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>> Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of bugging me 
>> about it constantly?
>> 
>> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
>> 
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.

thanks i will try that.  usually i can find the install button but it dings at 
me when i press it.  will try space.

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On 07/05/2012, at 12:30 AM, Dean Adams wrote:

> HI Maria,
>   When the adobe flash player comes up use your tab key to update it 
> don't use the vo key navigation tabbing works in this situation  and space 
> bat to select. 
> Regards Dean from oz
> 
> 
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> On 07/05/2012, at 12:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
>> update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
>> install.  
>> 
>> thanks
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  
>>> For updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
>>> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just remember 
>>> that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just use the tab 
>>> key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and spacebar without 
>>> the VO keys.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Guys.
 I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
 think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to 
 uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services when 
 I can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, etc., it 
 does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, if I 
 uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the service? 
 
 I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
 Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if I 
 wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it 
 there so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
 
 Regards,
 Gigi
 
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
 
> Ah, thanks for the info.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
> 
>> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
>> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
>> 
>> Jonathan Cohn
>> 
>> 
>> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the Adobi 
>>> Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of bugging me 
>>> about it constantly?
>>> 
>>> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
>>> 
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Dean Adams]

HI Maria,
When the adobe flash player comes up use your tab key to update it 
don't use the vo key navigation tabbing works in this situation  and space bat 
to select. 
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On 07/05/2012, at 12:15 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
> update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
> install.  
> 
> thanks
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  For 
>> updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
>> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just remember 
>> that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just use the tab 
>> key and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and spacebar without 
>> the VO keys.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Guys.
>>> I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I 
>>> think I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to 
>>> uses flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services when I 
>>> can't go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, etc., it 
>>> does seem to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, if I 
>>> uninstall Flash as just recommended, how can I then watch the service? 
>>> 
>>> I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
>>> Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if I 
>>> wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it there 
>>> so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> Eugenia Firth
>>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 Ah, thanks for the info.
 
 Jenny
 On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
 
> Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
> security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
> 
> Jonathan Cohn
> 
> 
> On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the Adobi 
>> Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of bugging me 
>> about it constantly?
>> 
>> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
>> 
>> Jenny
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Re: adobi flash player installer pop up, how do I do this?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  where is the flash pannel in system preferences?  i sometimes get an 
update flash player pop up and can't seem to figure out how to get it to 
install.  

thanks

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On 06/05/2012, at 1:02 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> If your Church uses Flash, then it wouldn't work if you uninstalled it.  For 
> updating, you could either go to the Adobe site or, in your System 
> Preferences, go to the Flash panel and update it from there.  Just remember 
> that the update process isn't very accessible anyway.  I just use the tab key 
> and spacebar to do the update that is, the tab key and spacebar without the 
> VO keys.
> 
> Later...
> 
> On 2012-05-05, at 8:58 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi Guys.
>> I do have a question, however. I think was talked about earlier, but I think 
>> I was too dumb to understand the answer. At least one site I go to uses 
>> flash, my church site that I sometimes access to watch services when I can't 
>> go myself. Although I can't control the volume and pause, etc., it does seem 
>> to work well enough for me to hear the service. So, if I uninstall Flash as 
>> just recommended, how can I then watch the service? 
>> 
>> I have just ignored it when the site wants to update the thing. I asked 
>> Apple about this when I was in the store last time, and he said that if I 
>> wanted to update it, I should just go to the Adobe site and update it there 
>> so I wouldn't risk any viruses. What about that. 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Gigi
>> 
>> Eugenia Firth
>> gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:27 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> Ah, thanks for the info.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:23 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, uninstall flash. It is a waste of it doesn't work for us. Also, 
 security researchers claim it as a number two cars of viruses.
 
 Jonathan Cohn
 
 
 On May 4, 2012, at 7:56 PM, Jenny Keller  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> I would like to find out if there is a way that you can make the Adobi 
> Flash Player install the updates by themselves instead of bugging me 
> about it constantly?
> 
> Hope so cause it gets rather old.
> 
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Re: free m4a to mp3?

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  try 

Switch Audio Converter for Mac - Download.com
i just installed it like any other app.

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On 06/05/2012, at 11:32 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> Maria,
> There is, and I've used that, but I really like switch.
> Would it be possible for you to send me a direct link for downloading it?
> I'm having trouble finding the mac version.
> Also, how do I install it properly? Thank you 
> Stacey and Chesley.
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> Now that i think about it.  isn't there a way to convert m4a to mp3 using 
>> itunes?
>> 
>> 
>>  regards
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>> www.powerradio104.us
>> where we play lots of great music
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/05/2012, at 10:55 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> I didn't know switch worked with the mac. I'll go to apple vis.
>>> 
>>> On May 6, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>>> 
 hi.  what about switch?
 
 that's one i'm using at the moment i saw it on aple vis.
 
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 On 06/05/2012, at 9:00 AM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
 
> Hi Stacy
> I have recently purchased a very accessible mp3 converter called "mp3 
> converter" from the app store. It was about $5 NZ so not expensive. You 
> have to go into the app, add the files you want to convert and it does 
> it. Very easy to use and not expensive. It takes all sorts of formats and 
> converts them to MP3. You can't just point at a file and do the convert 
> from there - you have to go into the app itself to do it but it does a 
> nice job with lots of sample rate choices. And you can do multiple files 
> at once.
> 
> Lisette 
> On 6/05/2012, at 7:49 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a program or utility out there that is accessible that will 
>> allow me to highlight a file then go into the context menu to convert it 
>> to mp3.
>> Example, If I have something in dropbox that needs to be converted, I 
>> don't want to go into itunes.
>> I'd like to be able to highlight it and convert.
>> If there's something out there, where do I get it and how do I install 
>> it?
>> Thanks,
>> When I was using windows, I used a program called switch.
>> 
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Re: Firefox, Was Re: Solving a capcha problem

[Maria Chapman]

 HI.  went to the website and downloaded fire fox. when i launch it though i 
just get  minimize close and zoom.  do i have the wrong version?  

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On 06/05/2012, at 4:40 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> It's now possible to solve these in Firefox. However, the nightly builds are 
> not stable, and if you think the "busy" messages are annoying in Safari, they 
> are much more frequent in Firefox. I have succeeded in getting the WebVisum 
> extension, but at the moment, it may be more trouble than it's worth, 
> depending on your willingness to tough it out. I'm going to try this the next 
> time I have to solve one, though.
> 
> My other option is to use Firefox in Linux with Fusion, which works quite 
> nicely.
> 
> Here's the URL with the Firefox nightly builds: http://nightly.mozilla.org/
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Slow down; you'll get there faster."
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> There are many sites which now have an audio capcha, but there are plenty 
>> which do not have this. On some, you cannot even contact anyone via an email 
>> contact form without solving a capcha. I don't know why they cannot simply 
>> give a simple arithmetic problem or some other query which has an obvious 
>> litery or numerical answer for everyone.
>> Christine
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> yes, you can. in most of the popular sites, you find an option to try
>>> an audio capture. you will listen a few numbers or, in some cases,
>>> words along with a lot of background speech. you should be able to
>>> type only the numbers that you hear.
>>> I would suggest you use headphones while doing this for better results.
>>> I would like to add to the question.
>>> I often don't succeed in entering the words or numbers successfully.
>>> well, am I not so good at it just yet, or are there any tips that
>>> would make this process easier?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Venkatesh Potluri
>>> 
>>> On 5/5/12, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 Listers,
 
 How can I deal with a capture on a web page? Can it be done without
 sighted assistance?
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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Re: free m4a to mp3?

[Stacey Robinson]

Maria,
There is, and I've used that, but I really like switch.
Would it be possible for you to send me a direct link for downloading it?
I'm having trouble finding the mac version.
Also, how do I install it properly? Thank you 
Stacey and Chesley.

On May 6, 2012, at 7:59 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> Now that i think about it.  isn't there a way to convert m4a to mp3 using 
> itunes?
> 
> 
>   regards
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> 
> On 06/05/2012, at 10:55 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> 
>> I didn't know switch worked with the mac. I'll go to apple vis.
>> 
>> On May 6, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> hi.  what about switch?
>>> 
>>> that's one i'm using at the moment i saw it on aple vis.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>>  Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 06/05/2012, at 9:00 AM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
>>> 
 Hi Stacy
 I have recently purchased a very accessible mp3 converter called "mp3 
 converter" from the app store. It was about $5 NZ so not expensive. You 
 have to go into the app, add the files you want to convert and it does it. 
 Very easy to use and not expensive. It takes all sorts of formats and 
 converts them to MP3. You can't just point at a file and do the convert 
 from there - you have to go into the app itself to do it but it does a 
 nice job with lots of sample rate choices. And you can do multiple files 
 at once.
 
 Lisette 
 On 6/05/2012, at 7:49 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
 
> Hi,
> Is there a program or utility out there that is accessible that will 
> allow me to highlight a file then go into the context menu to convert it 
> to mp3.
> Example, If I have something in dropbox that needs to be converted, I 
> don't want to go into itunes.
> I'd like to be able to highlight it and convert.
> If there's something out there, where do I get it and how do I install it?
> Thanks,
> When I was using windows, I used a program called switch.
> 
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Re: Leaving the list.

[lpnalda]

Sorry to see you go. I'm hoping you'll reconsider. This'll blow over after 
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Re: Firefox, Was Re: Solving a capcha problem

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  is fire fox now fairly accessible on the mac?  might be good to have it 
around just for solving captchers 

thanks

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On 06/05/2012, at 4:40 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote:

> It's now possible to solve these in Firefox. However, the nightly builds are 
> not stable, and if you think the "busy" messages are annoying in Safari, they 
> are much more frequent in Firefox. I have succeeded in getting the WebVisum 
> extension, but at the moment, it may be more trouble than it's worth, 
> depending on your willingness to tough it out. I'm going to try this the next 
> time I have to solve one, though.
> 
> My other option is to use Firefox in Linux with Fusion, which works quite 
> nicely.
> 
> Here's the URL with the Firefox nightly builds: http://nightly.mozilla.org/
> 
> Teresa
> 
> "Slow down; you'll get there faster."
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 11:14 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
> 
>> There are many sites which now have an audio capcha, but there are plenty 
>> which do not have this. On some, you cannot even contact anyone via an email 
>> contact form without solving a capcha. I don't know why they cannot simply 
>> give a simple arithmetic problem or some other query which has an obvious 
>> litery or numerical answer for everyone.
>> Christine
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:14 PM, Venkatesh Potluri wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi
>>> yes, you can. in most of the popular sites, you find an option to try
>>> an audio capture. you will listen a few numbers or, in some cases,
>>> words along with a lot of background speech. you should be able to
>>> type only the numbers that you hear.
>>> I would suggest you use headphones while doing this for better results.
>>> I would like to add to the question.
>>> I often don't succeed in entering the words or numbers successfully.
>>> well, am I not so good at it just yet, or are there any tips that
>>> would make this process easier?
>>> Thank you.
>>> Venkatesh Potluri
>>> 
>>> On 5/5/12, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 Listers,
 
 How can I deal with a capture on a web page? Can it be done without
 sighted assistance?
 
 Thanks for any suggestions.
 
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Re: free m4a to mp3?

[Maria Chapman]

Now that i think about it.  isn't there a way to convert m4a to mp3 using 
itunes?


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On 06/05/2012, at 10:55 PM, Stacey Robinson wrote:

> I didn't know switch worked with the mac. I'll go to apple vis.
> 
> On May 6, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:
> 
>> hi.  what about switch?
>> 
>> that's one i'm using at the moment i saw it on aple vis.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>  Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iImessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 06/05/2012, at 9:00 AM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Stacy
>>> I have recently purchased a very accessible mp3 converter called "mp3 
>>> converter" from the app store. It was about $5 NZ so not expensive. You 
>>> have to go into the app, add the files you want to convert and it does it. 
>>> Very easy to use and not expensive. It takes all sorts of formats and 
>>> converts them to MP3. You can't just point at a file and do the convert 
>>> from there - you have to go into the app itself to do it but it does a nice 
>>> job with lots of sample rate choices. And you can do multiple files at once.
>>> 
>>> Lisette 
>>> On 6/05/2012, at 7:49 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 Is there a program or utility out there that is accessible that will allow 
 me to highlight a file then go into the context menu to convert it to mp3.
 Example, If I have something in dropbox that needs to be converted, I 
 don't want to go into itunes.
 I'd like to be able to highlight it and convert.
 If there's something out there, where do I get it and how do I install it?
 Thanks,
 When I was using windows, I used a program called switch.
 
 
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Re: Trying to reinstall operating system, not sure if I did it right

[Maria Chapman]

mmm maybe i'm lucky but i've never had a problem with vo not speaking at the 
log in screen

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On 06/05/2012, at 5:46 AM, Daniel Miller wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I highly doubt you needed to reinstall for that. That's a known issue in
> Lion, where Voiceover will not speak at the login field, even though it's
> set to. In fact, there are bugs with VO starting on startup in lion in
> general.
> I've reported them to Apple for investigation, so perhaps they'll be
> addressed in Mountain Lion.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny Keller
> Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 2:44 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Trying to reinstall operating system, not sure if I did it
> right
> 
> I don't know yet, I only turned on my computer once since then and it went
> directly to the desk top, but that doesn't mean anything, it only means that
> it hasn't had time to act weird yet.
> 
> We'll see the next time I shut down and turn it back on.
> 
> Keep your fingers crossed.
> 
> Jenny
> On May 5, 2012, at 10:56 AM, Scott Rumery wrote:
> 
>> The question you need to ask yourself is, did it fix my problem?  I love
> how easy it is to get all back up and running on my Mac.  Much easier than
> reinstalling Windows.
>> 
>> Scott
>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:02 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> I was having problems with my operating system, Lion, popping up with a
> log in field and no voice over even though it was set up to come on with the
> log in field, but it was also set to just log in without being loged in.
>>> 
>>> Someone told me to reinstall Lion, using command R and holding it down
> until the computer booted up.  
>>> 
>>> Well, I did that, but I'm not sure I did it right.
>>> 
>>> I told it to install Lion new, and it asked me to restart the machine so
> I did.  
>>> 
>>> what was the point of that, it seemed too easy.
>>> 
>>> Did I do something wrong?
>>> 
>>> Jenny
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Re: free m4a to mp3?

[Stacey Robinson]

I didn't know switch worked with the mac. I'll go to apple vis.

On May 6, 2012, at 12:45 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> hi.  what about switch?
> 
> that's one i'm using at the moment i saw it on aple vis.
> 
> hth
> 
> 
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 06/05/2012, at 9:00 AM, Lisette wesseling wrote:
> 
>> Hi Stacy
>> I have recently purchased a very accessible mp3 converter called "mp3 
>> converter" from the app store. It was about $5 NZ so not expensive. You have 
>> to go into the app, add the files you want to convert and it does it. Very 
>> easy to use and not expensive. It takes all sorts of formats and converts 
>> them to MP3. You can't just point at a file and do the convert from there - 
>> you have to go into the app itself to do it but it does a nice job with lots 
>> of sample rate choices. And you can do multiple files at once.
>> 
>> Lisette 
>> On 6/05/2012, at 7:49 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Is there a program or utility out there that is accessible that will allow 
>>> me to highlight a file then go into the context menu to convert it to mp3.
>>> Example, If I have something in dropbox that needs to be converted, I don't 
>>> want to go into itunes.
>>> I'd like to be able to highlight it and convert.
>>> If there's something out there, where do I get it and how do I install it?
>>> Thanks,
>>> When I was using windows, I used a program called switch.
>>> 
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Re: free m4a to mp3?

[Stacey Robinson]

Thanks very much. I'll check this out right away.

On May 5, 2012, at 6:00 PM, Lisette wesseling wrote:

> Hi Stacy
> I have recently purchased a very accessible mp3 converter called "mp3 
> converter" from the app store. It was about $5 NZ so not expensive. You have 
> to go into the app, add the files you want to convert and it does it. Very 
> easy to use and not expensive. It takes all sorts of formats and converts 
> them to MP3. You can't just point at a file and do the convert from there - 
> you have to go into the app itself to do it but it does a nice job with lots 
> of sample rate choices. And you can do multiple files at once.
> 
> Lisette 
> On 6/05/2012, at 7:49 AM, Stacey Robinson wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> Is there a program or utility out there that is accessible that will allow 
>> me to highlight a file then go into the context menu to convert it to mp3.
>> Example, If I have something in dropbox that needs to be converted, I don't 
>> want to go into itunes.
>> I'd like to be able to highlight it and convert.
>> If there's something out there, where do I get it and how do I install it?
>> Thanks,
>> When I was using windows, I used a program called switch.
>> 
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Re: how to save audio from youtube

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  i use an app called  youtube to mp3 i don't remember the link but it is on 
apple vis I put it there.  

if you have trouble with the app let me know and i'll explain how to do it.

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On 06/05/2012, at 10:42 PM, Paul Erkens wrote:

> Hi listers,
> 
> I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover 
> friendly app information. On my macbook running Lion, what do you all use to 
> save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I could turn to windows and 
> use total recorder there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution, 
> for the mac. How does one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for that 
> matter, on the hard disk?
> 
> I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly  
> inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more like a huge video program 
> that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as a bonus, making that 
> hard to find, so I gave up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple, 
> straight forward, and hopefully voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist 
> to your knowledge? Any ideas?
> 
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Re: how to save audio from youtube

[John Sanfilippo]

I often use

http://youtube-mp3.com

I've long ago given up on using some onboard app to convert.

Be aware that there is a 20 minute limit on the length of the original video.

It's great for short things.

Just my 2 cents.

js


On May 6, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:

Hi listers,

I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover 
friendly app information. On my macbook running Lion, what do you all use to 
save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I could turn to windows and use 
total recorder there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution, for the 
mac. How does one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for that matter, on 
the hard disk?

I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly  
inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more like a huge video program 
that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as a bonus, making that hard 
to find, so I gave up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple, straight 
forward, and hopefully voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist to your 
knowledge? Any ideas?

Paul.

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RE: how to save audio from youtube

[Missy Hoppe]

As long as clips are less than 10 minutes and you only need to do 1 file at a 
time, youtube-mp3.org is your best friend. The
quality of the files provided is more than adequate, at least by my standards, 
and I use it both on the mac and the pc. Now,
if you need to convert whole channels or much longer files, than I'm not aware 
of a good, fully accessible solution either on
the mac or pc side. I used to use dvd videosoft's products on the PC side, but 
they just got too complicated, were less
accessible, and wanted to install a bunch of stuff I didn't want on my machine. 
Good luck, and I hope this helps a little.
Missy


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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: how to save audio from youtube

Hi listers,

I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover 
friendly app information. On my macbook running
Lion, what do you all use to save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I 
could turn to windows and use total recorder
there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution, for the mac. How does 
one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for
that matter, on the hard disk?

I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly  
inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more
like a huge video program that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as 
a bonus, making that hard to find, so I gave
up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple, straight forward, and hopefully 
voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist
to your knowledge? Any ideas?

Paul.

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how to save audio from youtube

[Paul Erkens]

Hi listers,

I have been googling about it, but it doesn't give me much useful voiceover 
friendly app information. On my macbook running Lion, what do you all use to 
save youtube content in mp3 on your hard drive? I could turn to windows and use 
total recorder there, but I guess there will be a far easier solution, for the 
mac. How does one save a youtube movie, or just its audio for that matter, on 
the hard disk?

I found a lot about it, but either the ones I found appear to be mainly  
inaccessible, or they are to some degree, but more like a huge video program 
that can do lots of stuff, and some youtube saving as a bonus, making that hard 
to find, so I gave up on that. What I'd like to find is a simple, straight 
forward, and hopefully voiceover friendly solution. Does that exist to your 
knowledge? Any ideas?

Paul.

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Re: defining single key for vo keys?

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

The insert key has been a legit modifier for the numpad commander in both Snow 
Leopard and Lion.  I don't believe you can use it as a modifier for the keypad 
commander.

Best wishes,

Jonathan

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On May 6, 2012, at 12:00 AM, Alex Hall wrote:

> How'd you define insert as a modifier for the commander? I haven't
> looked recently, but I don't remember being able to add keys as well
> as keystrokes with a modifier.
> 
> On 5/5/12, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
>> 90% of what I need to do can be done with the numpad commander.  I did add
>> two additional keystrokes to the default Lion commander.
>> 
>> 1.  On the "3" key I added the jump command that gets executed with VO-J
>> 2. With the Enter key I have it set to toggle betweenWeb dom and group mode.
>> 
>> 
>> The defaults are
>> 1. Item chooser
>> 2. down
>> 3. Jump
>> 4. Left
>> 5. Default action (same as vo-space)
>> 6. Right
>> 7. Interact with item
>> 8  up
>> 
>> 9 . Stop Interacting
>> 
>> The 3 keys on the top row above 789 are
>> Doc, Menu , and window chooser
>> 
>> The plus key brings up the contextual menu.
>> 
>> I also use the insert + numpad keys for getting to next/previous
>> heading, link, visited link, table, control and hot spot.
>> 
>> If there is a specific function you need help with, I can probably tell you
>> where it is.
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> Jonathan C. Cohn
>> jonc...@cox.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Alex Hall wrote:
>> 
>>> True. I don't have a trackpad, but I do have a numpad, I often forget
>>> I set up a commander for it though.
>>> 
>>> On 5/5/12, Scott Howell  wrote:
 And if you are looking for a way to navigate without having to hold those
 keys down you always have quick nav, trackpad commander, and numpad
 commander assuming you have a numberpad on your keyboard.
 
 On May 5, 2012, at 1:02 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote:
 
> I know of no way to do this. However, you can use VO-semicolon to lock
> the
> VO keys on. It's a toggle, so you can press it again to turn it off.
> 
> HTH,
> Teresa
> I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan.
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Alex Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have an odd question. Is it possible to define a single key to act
>> as the VO keys? So, instead of holding down alt and control (whatever
>> the mac calls them) you hold down only one? Please don't start saying
>> that "you just want windows-like control". It's simply that hitting a
>> single key, be it insert or not, with other keys to input commands is
>> more streamlined and easier to do, IMHO. So, if it's possible to map
>> VO comman keys to be something different, could anyone tell me how?
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Mudding on the mac.

[Maria Chapman]

HI.  what is tin tin and where do we get it?

How do we then set it up so we can play in the terminal?

thanks

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On 06/05/2012, at 3:56 PM, Greg Aikens wrote:

> Hi Allison,
> I have been reasonably successful using tintin in terminal.  I had to play 
> with the VO cursor settings some but here is the configuration I like and 
> have saved as an activity.:
> Keyboard follows VO cursor: Yes
> VO follows keyboard cursor: No
> Insertion point follows VO cursor: Yes
> VO follows insertion point: no
> 
> Basically, I can't find a way to keep VO from interrupting itself when new 
> info hits the screen, but setting up your cursors this way means that you 
> will not lose your place even though new text has been added below the point 
> where your cursor is.
> 
> Tintin also has a nice scripting ability built in.  I have found it helpful 
> to gag blank lines, effectively cutting down on the number of times VO might 
> need to interrupt itself when a new line comes in.  The way to gag a blank 
> line in Tintin is:
> #gag {^$}
> 
> I have also gagged all kinds of other unnecessary spam and am working on ways 
> to display critical info that are spoken faster.
> 
> These approaches have made mudding viable for me on the mac, even if it is 
> not quite what things were on the windows side.  
> 
> HTH
> 
> Greg
> On May 6, 2012, at 12:23 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:
> 
>> Hi everyone!
>> I enjoy playing various muds, and was wondering what my options were in 
>> terms of accessible mud clients. I know that muds could theoretically be 
>> played in the terminal, and was wondering whether or not anyone has tried 
>> this. As I'm sure many of you know, mudding successfully  requires a lot of 
>> information to be read to you automatically so that you can quickly keep 
>> track of room descriptions, your status during a battle, etc. Do either the 
>> terminal or any other stand alone mud clients read incoming information 
>> automatically? Thanks so much.
>> Allison
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Re: Mudding on the mac.

[Maria Chapman]

HI.  i was going to send a similar email.

would like to know if it's possible to play things like alter eon on the mac.


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> Hi everyone!
> I enjoy playing various muds, and was wondering what my options were in terms 
> of accessible mud clients. I know that muds could theoretically be played in 
> the terminal, and was wondering whether or not anyone has tried this. As I'm 
> sure many of you know, mudding successfully  requires a lot of information to 
> be read to you automatically so that you can quickly keep track of room 
> descriptions, your status during a battle, etc. Do either the terminal or any 
> other stand alone mud clients read incoming information automatically? Thanks 
> so much.
> Allison
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Re: A couple of questions

[Alex Hall]

To change voices, go to the language rotor and select the languages
you want, then, at any time, rotor to the language option and swipe up
or down. The double tap and hold is to move the voices so they're in
the order you want; that's why you can drag one atop another, to sort
them.

As to moving the position slider, I'm not sure why it doesn't work.
Swiping up or down should move it, just like you'd use the rotor
anywhere else. Maybe try rotoroing left or right, and then returning
to the "adjust value" item?

On 5/6/12, Rahul Bajaj  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a couple of  questions.
> How can I change the VoiceOver voice on my iTouch?
> It asks me to double tap and hold until I hear the sound and then to drag my
> selection.
> But I don't hear any sound  when I double tap and hold the voice that I
> want.
>
> And, secondly, how can I change the track position of a podcast?
> It asks me to swipe up or down to make the changes, but I can't figure out a
> way to correctly do that.
>
> So, please help me to deal with these 2 issues.
>
> Cheers,
> Rahul
>
>
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A couple of questions

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi all,

I have a couple of  questions.
How can I change the VoiceOver voice on my iTouch?
It asks me to double tap and hold until I hear the sound and then to drag my 
selection.
But I don't hear any sound  when I double tap and hold the voice that I want.

And, secondly, how can I change the track position of a podcast?
It asks me to swipe up or down to make the changes, but I can't figure out a 
way to correctly do that.

So, please help me to deal with these 2 issues.

Cheers,
Rahul

  

  

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Re: Leaving the list.

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi and thanks Sören for the good words. I agree completely but have yet another 
question: Do we really want to scare potential switchers away from the best, 
most accessible computer platform there is?
/Krister

6 maj 2012 kl. 10:13 skrev Søren Jensen:

> Hi.
> I'm sorry to hear that people are starting to have this unfriendly attitude 
> on the list which makes great people to leave. I have other things to do in 
> my life than reading all these unfriendly mails, so I only briefly knows what 
> has going on. Come on people. Do you really wanna hurt one of the gratest 
> mailing lists we currently have? Do you really wanna blow up this place where 
> so many people have got undescribable much help?
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
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> Website:
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> 
> Den 06/05/2012 kl. 10.02 skrev Lewis Alexander:
> 
>> Hello folks.
>> 
>> Sorry to write this message here but I am officially leaving the list. After 
>> yesterday's incident and the attitude of certain people on this list and my 
>> time spent trying to deal with the matter in the hope of DECENT resolution, 
>> I am leaving the list.
>> 
>> As an experienced, qualified engineer, I spend my time both on list and off 
>> list solving various problems relating to voiceover and OS X as well as 
>> hardware issues and I hope that my time and experience has been appreciated 
>> by those who I have assisted.
>> 
>> In relation to administrative support on this list, due to in some parts, 
>> the noted absence of the moderator, I have done my level best to resolve 
>> such issues both on and off list but from an email received this morning, 
>> the moderator clearly does not appreciate the support I have contributed nor 
>> the time placed in such matters.
>> 
>> If there are any members of this list who wish for my assistance off list, I 
>> may be reached off list at edwardredf...@sky.com as my direct work address
>> 
>> yours Sincerely.
>> 
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Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

No doubt your post has much good advice.  But I think you should read the 
thread from the beginning before choosing sides in who was rude and why.  Its 
hard enough to judge intent with just the written word without cheating 
yourself of reading the entire thread to get the context. etc.

JMO.

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On May 6, 2012, at 5:42 AM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at 
> least on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for 
> the program one is working with, at least that's my  experience. I have seen 
> a lot of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no 
> reference to any documentation whatsoever in the app.
> At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this 
> thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in 
> an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world 
> because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt 
> sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that 
> in short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, 
> but if you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can 
> you then begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have 
> had different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One 
> bit of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my 
> explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know 
> your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app 
> can do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different 
> situations.
> Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. 
> lol
> 
> /Krister
> 
> 5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr:
> 
>> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
>> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
>> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
>> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
>> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
>> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's 
>> not that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the 
>> time is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely 
>> the worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in 
>> mind the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to 
>> make, and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment 
>> and give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and 
>> how quickly.
>> 
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
>> 
>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
>> 
>> Skype name:
>> barefootedray
>> 
>> Facebook:
>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>> 
>>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience 
>>> anyone with my question.
>>> 
>>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>>> 
>>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>>> 
>>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient 
>>> for me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>>> 
>>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>>> question.
>>> 
>>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>>> answers to simple questions.
>>> 
>>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>>> 
>>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>>> simple question.
>>> 
>>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>>> certainly leave my inbox.
>>> 
>>> Jenny
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>>> 
 Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
 and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
 step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
 that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own 
 and just want to be spo

Re: Why can't someone just answer my Ical question without confusing me with a pod cast?

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi,
In defence of Jenny, let me say this, in many, not all but many cases at least 
on the IPhone, there simply is no built in help or documentation for the 
program one is working with, at least that's my  experience. I have seen a lot 
of cases, though i can't think of any at the moment where there's no reference 
to any documentation whatsoever in the app.
At the risk of being flamed to bits, let me say that i have come late to this 
thread so may not know the whole story here, but answering a plee for help in 
an almost rude manner in my book is uncalled for. I left the Linux world 
because of that attitude, and even though it didn't hit me directly i felt 
sorry for the newbies that asked questions and got almost rude answers that in 
short said "rtfm". Yes surely Google among other sources is your friend, but if 
you don't even begin to know what you are going to search for, how can you then 
begin searching? We have all been newbies in the beginning and have had 
different difficulty levels and different ways of tackling a problem. One bit 
of advice that i have followed and that has proven useful to me during my 
explorations of the graphical interface is this: If you want to learn to know 
your app, firstly take a look at its menus. There you will see what the app can 
do for you and you also in the bargain get the hot keys for different 
situations.
Ok i'm off my soap box now and putting on flame proof clothes just in case. lol

/Krister

5 maj 2012 kl. 22:28 skrev Ray Foret Jr:

> I do believe that this is getting a little bit out of hand here.  Jenny, My 
> best advice to you is this.  The best way to learn to use any app is to just 
> jump in and make use of it and be willing to make a mistake a time or two.  
> How else you gonna learn anything about it?  My best advice for seaking help 
> is that you consult the built in help for the apps you want help with when 
> mere use and exploration seem not to get it done for you.  Honestly, it's not 
> that we mind helping you, but, to be spoon fed the information all the time 
> is, quite frankly, not the best way to learn; indeed, it is most likely the 
> worst.  I would suggest that you take a step back from this and keep in mind 
> the points that Scot raises here.  He does have some good points to make, 
> and, I think that if you just step back from the emotion of the moment and 
> give things a try, you will shock yourself at what you will learn and how 
> quickly.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
> Facebook:
> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1
> 
> 
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Jenny Keller wrote:
> 
>> If I knew where to look for that information I wouldn't inconvenience anyone 
>> with my question.
>> 
>> As far as wanting to be spoon fed, I can't help if I've tried to learn 
>> things by pod casts and it completely overwhelms me and I end up more 
>> frustrated and confused than I started out.
>> 
>> If that's the way people feel on this list, then tell me then, what is this 
>> list for then if we can't ask simple questions and get simple answers.
>> 
>> If I'm going to be treated in this manner, I'll just not ask anything and 
>> consider unsubscribing to this list altogether if it is too inconvenient for 
>> me to ask questions without just being handed a pod cast.  
>> 
>> That, in my opinion, is taking the lazy way out anyway, cause it prevents 
>> you from having to lower yourself to answer such a simple and insignificant 
>> question.
>> 
>> Again, what is this list for if you can't get simple and understandable 
>> answers to simple questions.
>> 
>> If I wanted a pod cast, I would've looked one up.
>> 
>> Excuse me for bothering those of you that are just too good to answer my 
>> simple question.
>> 
>> Again, I'll just not say anything and again, if I can't get answers to 
>> simple questions, but others do't get treated that way, then this list will 
>> certainly leave my inbox.
>> 
>> Jenny
>> On May 5, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Scott Howell wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried reading the help files? THey contain a lot of information 
>>> and there is also Google. You really expect someone to produce a 
>>> step-by-step tutorial on iCal just for you? No offense, but it seems to me 
>>> that you have not researched the questions very thoroughly  on your own and 
>>> just want to be spoon-fed the information. Asking for help is fine and 
>>> encouraged, but it seems that you would ask only when you have already 
>>> tried finding the answers elsewhere. There are plenty of resources and the 
>>> podcast someone suggested is a great way to learn how to use an app.
>>> Of course then you seem to get cross with folks because they won't just 
>>> give you what you want when you want it and I hope you understand you are 
>>> being unfair to those who are providing you the resources.
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 11:05 AM, Jenny Keller wrote:
>>> 
 

Re: MenuTab

[Red.Falcon]

Hi there!
OK I have mine open at log in!
And it starts on that quit app button!
But I also have it in my doc and when I launch it from there either with 
vo+space or enter it also goes to the quit app button!
I do not get No windows!
Hth Colin

On 6 May 2012, at 10:22, Rahul Bajaj wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I did exactly what you said.
> In fact, I was even able to force quit the app from Activity Monitor.
> But it still keeps saying that the app has no windows.
> I uninstalled the app and then installed it again from the App Store, but 
> that also didn't help.
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Re: MenuTab

[Rahul Bajaj]

Hi,

I did exactly what you said.
In fact, I was even able to force quit the app from Activity Monitor.
But it still keeps saying that the app has no windows.
I uninstalled the app and then installed it again from the App Store, but that 
also didn't help.

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Re: Leaving the list.

[Donna Goodin]

I really want to second this message.

A while ago, many of us, myself among them, indicated that we wanted a more 
relaxed moderation style on this list.  Cara has done that.  But what that 
means is that there is greater onus on us to behave ourselves.  It is 
inevitable on a list of this size that some of us will dislike each other, or 
at least that we won't see eye to eye on everything.  When that happens, go 
punch your pillow, complain to your partner, your friends or whomever will 
listen, but let's keep the list the friendly, helpful place that it has always 
been.  Personally, I think it is a shame that Lew feels he needs to leave the 
list, he has a lot of expertise which he has been very generous about sharing.  
I think his absence will be a real loss to the list.

 Finally, I would really hate to see us return to the days of heavy-handed 
moderation.  My suggestion would be that if you have a conflict with a list 
member, please simply ignore it, or if you can't do that for whatever reason, 
take it off-list.  We're all grown-ups, and are presumably capable of taking 
care of such things ourselves, without crying "where's the mod!"  Cara is 
gracious enough to host the list.  She is not paid, and it's not her job to 
babysit us or break up squabbles. 

Just my $.02,
Donna.
On May 6, 2012, at 4:13 AM, Søren Jensen wrote:

> Hi.
> I'm sorry to hear that people are starting to have this unfriendly attitude 
> on the list which makes great people to leave. I have other things to do in 
> my life than reading all these unfriendly mails, so I only briefly knows what 
> has going on. Come on people. Do you really wanna hurt one of the gratest 
> mailing lists we currently have? Do you really wanna blow up this place where 
> so many people have got undescribable much help?
> Best regards:
> Søren Jensen
> Mail & MSN:
> s...@coolfortheblind.dk
> Website:
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> 
> Den 06/05/2012 kl. 10.02 skrev Lewis Alexander:
> 
>> Hello folks.
>> 
>> Sorry to write this message here but I am officially leaving the list. After 
>> yesterday's incident and the attitude of certain people on this list and my 
>> time spent trying to deal with the matter in the hope of DECENT resolution, 
>> I am leaving the list.
>> 
>> As an experienced, qualified engineer, I spend my time both on list and off 
>> list solving various problems relating to voiceover and OS X as well as 
>> hardware issues and I hope that my time and experience has been appreciated 
>> by those who I have assisted.
>> 
>> In relation to administrative support on this list, due to in some parts, 
>> the noted absence of the moderator, I have done my level best to resolve 
>> such issues both on and off list but from an email received this morning, 
>> the moderator clearly does not appreciate the support I have contributed nor 
>> the time placed in such matters.
>> 
>> If there are any members of this list who wish for my assistance off list, I 
>> may be reached off list at edwardredf...@sky.com as my direct work address
>> 
>> yours Sincerely.
>> 
>> Edward Lewis Redfern.
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Re: Leaving the list.

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.
I'm sorry to hear that people are starting to have this unfriendly attitude on 
the list which makes great people to leave. I have other things to do in my 
life than reading all these unfriendly mails, so I only briefly knows what has 
going on. Come on people. Do you really wanna hurt one of the gratest mailing 
lists we currently have? Do you really wanna blow up this place where so many 
people have got undescribable much help?
Best regards:
Søren Jensen
Mail & MSN:
s...@coolfortheblind.dk
Website:
http://www.coolfortheblind.dk/

Den 06/05/2012 kl. 10.02 skrev Lewis Alexander:

> Hello folks.
> 
> Sorry to write this message here but I am officially leaving the list. After 
> yesterday's incident and the attitude of certain people on this list and my 
> time spent trying to deal with the matter in the hope of DECENT resolution, I 
> am leaving the list.
> 
> As an experienced, qualified engineer, I spend my time both on list and off 
> list solving various problems relating to voiceover and OS X as well as 
> hardware issues and I hope that my time and experience has been appreciated 
> by those who I have assisted.
> 
> In relation to administrative support on this list, due to in some parts, the 
> noted absence of the moderator, I have done my level best to resolve such 
> issues both on and off list but from an email received this morning, the 
> moderator clearly does not appreciate the support I have contributed nor the 
> time placed in such matters.
> 
> If there are any members of this list who wish for my assistance off list, I 
> may be reached off list at edwardredf...@sky.com as my direct work address
> 
> yours Sincerely.
> 
> Edward Lewis Redfern.
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Leaving the list.

[Lewis Alexander]

Hello folks.

Sorry to write this message here but I am officially leaving the list. After 
yesterday's incident and the attitude of certain people on this list and my 
time spent trying to deal with the matter in the hope of DECENT resolution, I 
am leaving the list.

As an experienced, qualified engineer, I spend my time both on list and off 
list solving various problems relating to voiceover and OS X as well as 
hardware issues and I hope that my time and experience has been appreciated by 
those who I have assisted.

In relation to administrative support on this list, due to in some parts, the 
noted absence of the moderator, I have done my level best to resolve such 
issues both on and off list but from an email received this morning, the 
moderator clearly does not appreciate the support I have contributed nor the 
time placed in such matters.

If there are any members of this list who wish for my assistance off list, I 
may be reached off list at edwardredf...@sky.com as my direct work address

yours Sincerely.

Edward Lewis Redfern.

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Re: Installing I downloaded ring tone

[Lewis Alexander]

hi.

sadly not. this is the only way.

as the iphone doesn't allow you to directly perform file management options 
like a PC or mac, everything is done from a host system.

lew

On 5 May 2012, at 23:49, Beefcakes wrote:

> Hi Lou, thanks for the reply! Is there a way to do what you're saying to 
> place the ring tones in the downloads for documents folder just using my 
> iPhone only? That's all I have with me right now is my iPhone. I need 
> step-by-step and sorry if I'm a little slow about this. Thanks a lot, Johnny
> 
> Cakes
> 
> On May 5, 2012, at 5:35 PM, Lewis Alexander  
> wrote:
> 
>> if you have the ringtones stored by email, first download the attached 
>> files. these either go to "downloads" or "Documents"
>> 
>> from there, you copy the selected tracks into the following directory:
>> 
>> /users/USERNAME/music/itunes/itunes media/ringtones.
>> 
>> if the "ringtones" directory does not exist, create it. then paste the files 
>> in.
>> 
>> from this point, launch itunes and then import the ringtones from that 
>> folder to your library. this then updates and your ringtones are visable 
>> ready to transfer to your iphone.
>> 
>> lew
>> 
>> On 5 May 2012, at 22:30, Beefcakes wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cakes
>>> 
>>> On May 5, 2012, at 5:24 PM, "alberto hi Alberto, okay well I take your word 
>>> for it. So is her way to get it from get the ring tones from my email on my 
>>> iPhone into iTunes and then installing on my iPhone? I guess I don't know 
>>> what I am doing yet obviously! Thanks so much for helping, Johnny arreola" 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi, that is miss information the only way to install ringtones is threw
 iTunes.
 
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 Subject: Installing I downloaded ring tone
 
 Hi! I downloaded some am for our ring tones onto my deck my windows desktop
 computer. Someone on an iOS list said that we could install those ring 
 tones
 on our iPhones by e-mailing those ring tones from the Windows machine to 
 the
 iPhone email program. But what do I do after I get those coat those ring
 tones in my email program on my iPhone what's the next step?
 
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