Re: Finally!: An Audio Action/Adventure Game on the Mac!; BlindSide

[Teresa Cochran]

Sorry about that; I was navigating the page once I was logged in.

Go to this page:
http://www.desura.com/games/blindside

Do a text search for $3.99 and click on the link with these words. You'll be 
presented with a cart.

I'd suggest doing a text search, because there is a lot of material on this 
page.

I assure you that I have this game and I've played it through once already. The 
link provided on blindsidegame.com is just not a direct download link, which 
makes it confusing.

Hope this helps, and let me know if I can help further.

Teresa


On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Maria Chapman  wrote:

> does that mean the game is coming though? that would be pretty cool.
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
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> On 02/10/2012, at 8:02 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
> 
>>Are you sure this is still available.  I went to the link and there is no 
>> dmg file to be found.  Of course, user error could be afoot, but I can only 
>> find info that says the game is not yet avilable for the Mac.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
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>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There's a link on the Blindside homepage for the download. I got the game 
>>> for the Mac. Go to the following page and do a VO search for "DMG" on the 
>>> page.
>>> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, craig J Dunlop  wrote:
>>> 
 After going up to the website it looks like the version for the Mac is not 
 available yet! I hope it will be soon though.
 On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
> www.blindsidegame.com
 
 
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Re: Reading Epub Books on the Mac

[Steve Holmes]

I will give bookle a try.  So far, most of my ePub books are all DRM-free from 
other sources outside Apple.  Yes, iBooks for the mac would be the best because 
you could then sync books and bookmarks over iCloud like you can between iOS 
devices.

This will do for the time being.

On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
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> Bookle is an accessible app for reading DRM free ePub books on the Mac. It 
> can be found in the Mac app store.
> 
> I agree there should be a Mac app for reading DRM protected books on the Mac. 
> It's strange Apple hasn't brought out iBooks for the Mac. It's a shame too, 
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Re: Take Control eBooks' September Sale

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I really wish they would fix the tables all over their site.  Even my personal 
library of books thus purchased is a mess too.  VO will not go down past the 
first detail row in the table.  It jumps from row 3 back up to row 1 even if 
you have a dozen rows in the table.  I have never seen this anomaly anywhere 
else on the web.  VO's table navigation is generally quite good in HTML content.

On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
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> The sale has been extended to Wednesday 3 October.
> 
> Also, and more importantly, Take Control have an accessible version of their 
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> This is just a complete list of all their books in an accessible table. It is 
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> not applied automatically. You need to enter the voucher code manually. 
> However, if you don't have this code, you can simply email Take Control Books 
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Re: Mail has no windows.

[Don Breda]

I have done this as well and figured out wat to do.

I am a mac newby so there may be a better way but I hit command0 and
that brings the mesage viewer back so you can interact with the messages
table again.

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Re: moving and renaming?

[Steve Holmes]

To move a file, first select the file in Finder and copy to clipboard with 
Command-C; then go to the folder where you want to put it; then press 
Command-Option-V to paste and delete original in same keystroke.

To rename the file, just hit the return key and type in the new name or edit 
what is currently there.

On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:56 PM, Kliphton  wrote:

> Could someone remind me how to move and rename a file on the mac?
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Re: Mail has no windows.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks. I will try that next time.
Kawal.

On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:51 AM, Don Breda  wrote:

> I have done this as well and figured out wat to do.
> 
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Problem with Facebook app and push notifications, please help!

[Chris]

Hello all.
I use the official Facebook app, along with the new integration 
features, on my iPhone 4 running iOS 6.
Up until a few days ago, I could receive push notifications from my 
close friends list, or Facebook in general, no problem! But now, I am 
not getting them at all! I do however get them via e-mail and they show 
up on my news feed on the mobile site. So I know it is not a problem 
with Facebook itself, just the official app. I even tried reinstalling 
it to no avail.
I asked my friend Gary Price on Skype last night, and he is not having 
this issue on his iPhone 4 running iOS 6.

Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
Please reply as soon as possible.
Thanks so much!
Christopher Hallsworth.

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Re: Finally!: An Audio Action/Adventure Game on the Mac!; BlindSide

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.

how well does it work?

will go look.

thanks 
regards
Maria and crew from australia
email:
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On 01/10/2012, at 6:12 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> There's a link on the Blindside homepage for the download. I got the game for 
> the Mac. Go to the following page and do a VO search for "DMG" on the page.
> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, craig J Dunlop  wrote:
> 
>> After going up to the website it looks like the version for the Mac is not 
>> available yet! I hope it will be soon though.
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Teresa Cochran  
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>> 
>>> www.blindsidegame.com
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Re: Hiding Tabs in Safari

[Chris]

It might be in Preferences, command-comma.


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 03:57, Emilio Hernandez wrote:

Hello everyone,

When I assign certain web sites to the bookmarks bar, so when pressing 
command-1,2, or 3, ETC to launch, these sites appear as tabs on my screen.
How can I remove the viewing of these tabs? I don't want them to appear because 
I already know where they are assigned to. I never know how I accomplished this 
when using Snow Leopard because I was a new Mac user, so I never bothered with 
learning how to disable or hide this because I accomplished it unknowingly.
Any tip I am overlooking or not considering would be wonderfully appreciated.

Thank you all for your help.

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Re: Finally!: An Audio Action/Adventure Game on the Mac!; BlindSide

[Teresa Cochran]

The game is actually much easier than the download process. Heh. Anyway, it's 
just arrow keys and shooting is the spacebar. Very easy.

Teresa

On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:09 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:

> Hi.
> 
> how well does it work?
> 
> will go look.
> 
> thanks 
>   regards
> Maria and crew from australia
> email:
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> check out 
> www.powerradio104.us
> where we play lots of great music
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/10/2012, at 6:12 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> There's a link on the Blindside homepage for the download. I got the game 
>> for the Mac. Go to the following page and do a VO search for "DMG" on the 
>> page.
>> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, craig J Dunlop  wrote:
>> 
>>> After going up to the website it looks like the version for the Mac is not 
>>> available yet! I hope it will be soon though.
>>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 www.blindsidegame.com
>>> 
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Re: OT iTunes Gift Card Giveaway

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I'm not a mod or anything, but I think this is clasified as spam and
action should be taken. One message was bad enough, now we get the
news lettter too. I mean, if I had subscribed to the news letter,
obviously I wouldn't have an issue, but I feel like the list shouldn't
be a soundingboard for companies to advertize. I say this not being a
moderator or anything, just as someone who follows the list and enjoys
the otherwise useful info on it.

Thanks,
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Re: Reading Epub Books on the Mac

[Cheryl Homiak]

Can you read other companies' drm books on iBooks? my problem with iBooks is 
that I've wanted quite a few books that weren't available from them? Also, 
remember that you can read many drm and non-drm books in Adobe Digital Editions 
2.0. Its current state isn't optimal since you have such limited navigation, 
but you can copy and paste a page at a time using vo-shift-c to copy and it 
appears you can actually save the finished product. It would be time-consuming 
to do a whole book that way but it can be done. Also, there's the command line 
of Calibre and the scripts that are available for calibre and, though I won't 
discuss it here, there are other tools for use with calibre that are accessible 
to us for converting the books to other formats. This isn't discounting the 
need for a better solution on the Mac; it's just inventorying what is available 
to us so that we can use these resources until there is something better.

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On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:44 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I will give bookle a try.  So far, most of my ePub books are all DRM-free 
> from other sources outside Apple.  Yes, iBooks for the mac would be the best 
> because you could then sync books and bookmarks over iCloud like you can 
> between iOS devices.
> 
> This will do for the time being.
> 
> On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:24 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
>> Bookle is an accessible app for reading DRM free ePub books on the Mac. It 
>> can be found in the Mac app store.
>> 
>> I agree there should be a Mac app for reading DRM protected books on the 
>> Mac. It's strange Apple hasn't brought out iBooks for the Mac. It's a shame 
>> too, as I quite like iBooks.
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Re: Finally!: An Audio Action/Adventure Game on the Mac!; BlindSide

[Maria Chapman]

Hi.  i could only find a purchase link.  are we meant to purchase this game?  
It's only 4 dollars australian but just wanted to make sure i was following the 
right links.

thanks

Maria Chapman
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"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - 
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On 02/10/2012, at 10:46 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> The game is actually much easier than the download process. Heh. Anyway, it's 
> just arrow keys and shooting is the spacebar. Very easy.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 5:09 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 
>> Hi.
>> 
>> how well does it work?
>> 
>> will go look.
>> 
>> thanks 
>>  regards
>> Maria and crew from australia
>> email:
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> check out 
>> www.powerradio104.us
>> where we play lots of great music
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 01/10/2012, at 6:12 AM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> There's a link on the Blindside homepage for the download. I got the game 
>>> for the Mac. Go to the following page and do a VO search for "DMG" on the 
>>> page.
>>> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> Teresa
>>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, craig J Dunlop  wrote:
>>> 
 After going up to the website it looks like the version for the Mac is not 
 available yet! I hope it will be soon though.
 On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
> www.blindsidegame.com
 
 
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Re: Finally!: An Audio Action/Adventure Game on the Mac!; BlindSide

[Maria Chapman]

HI. am downloading it now.  it also gives me the link for a windows version 
that's kind of cool. 

Surely it wouldn't let me have both?


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On 02/10/2012, at 5:46 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Sorry about that; I was navigating the page once I was logged in.
> 
> Go to this page:
> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
> 
> Do a text search for $3.99 and click on the link with these words. You'll be 
> presented with a cart.
> 
> I'd suggest doing a text search, because there is a lot of material on this 
> page.
> 
> I assure you that I have this game and I've played it through once already. 
> The link provided on blindsidegame.com is just not a direct download link, 
> which makes it confusing.
> 
> Hope this helps, and let me know if I can help further.
> 
> Teresa
> 
> 
> On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
> 
>> does that mean the game is coming though? that would be pretty cool.
>> 
>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>> Newbie mac user.
>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 02/10/2012, at 8:02 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>>>   Are you sure this is still available.  I went to the link and there is no 
>>> dmg file to be found.  Of course, user error could be afoot, but I can only 
>>> find info that says the game is not yet avilable for the Mac.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Take Care
>>> 
>>> John D. Panarese
>>> Director
>>> Mac for the Blind
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>>> Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
>>> Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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>>> 
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>>> 
>>> On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 There's a link on the Blindside homepage for the download. I got the game 
 for the Mac. Go to the following page and do a VO search for "DMG" on the 
 page.
 http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, craig J Dunlop  
 wrote:
 
> After going up to the website it looks like the version for the Mac is 
> not available yet! I hope it will be soon though.
> On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Teresa Cochran  
> wrote:
> 
>> www.blindsidegame.com
> 
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Apolagies To The List

[Scott Rumery]

Hello,

I would like to apologize to those of you that I offended by sending out a 
promotion for an iTunes gift card that my company is doing.  It was not my 
intention to send out spam and for the record I do not think what I did is 
spam, but I have noticed that a couple of you on this list thought that I was 
spamming the list.

We at Fedora Outlier are simply trying to spread the word about about the 
company and I thought that I would post the announcement here so that those of 
you that would like to be in the drawing could follow us and then be entered.

I will refrain from sending this list any more announcements about Fedora 
Outlier in the future.

Again, please accept my sincerest apologies.

Scott

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Re: iPad

[Ricardo Walker]

Nope.

This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home works 
out the box.

hth

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On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
> VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the box 
> will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As 
> mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access 
> options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be 
> set.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
> 
>> just hit the home button 3 times
>> On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking the 
>>> home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
>>> ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
>>> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so there 
>>> is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily with 
>>> visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS software and 
>>> how voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go through there 
>>> podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts relating to Iowa 
>>> software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. 
>>> I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, though: go 
>>> to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From there, 
>>> use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com that 
>>> might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are many 
>>> tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple documentation for 
>>> voiceover.
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one and 
 needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John
 
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Re: iPad

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Thats because the phone was already set up with out Voiceover being enabled.  
You must turn on VO with a triple press of home during the setup for those to 
be the default configuration.

hth

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On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:12 AM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> I thought I heard that too but I tried it recently on an iPhone 4S and it did 
> not work there.  I don't know its upgrade history, nor was I aware of what 
> mode the phone was in at that moment.  I was shown the phone in a case and I 
> thought I'd be smart and see if VO would turn on with triple click home and 
> nothing.  I think if I were buying a device right now, I would want to have 
> someone look over my shoulder or fire up iTunes for the first time to check 
> out the landscape as it were.
> 
> On Sep 30, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
> 
>> they changed that in ios5
>> 
>> On 9/30/2012 9:04 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
>>> VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the 
>>> box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As 
>>> mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access 
>>> options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be 
>>> set.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 just hit the home button 3 times
 On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking the 
> home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
> ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: iPad
> 
> 
> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
> there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily 
> with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS 
> software and how voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you 
> go through there podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts 
> relating to Iowa software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his 
> podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, though: 
> go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
> there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com 
> that might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are 
> many tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple 
> documentation for voiceover.
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
>> and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John
>> 
>> Cakes
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Re: How to start with Numbers?

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi There  
I do this all the time on Numbers. First, when you press command O en a file, 
you should get the messaje that you are on layout. There are some other 
choices, but that's the one you want first. You need to interact on that one. 
Then, you should get a choice of tables. You can add tables somehow so that you 
have more than one, and I have done this accidentally. If you have done nothing 
yet to your file, you should have only one. Interact again on the table. Then 
you can see your rows and columns just like in Excel. VoiceOver does consider, 
as a default, the first row and the first column to be headers, which tells 
VoiceOver to let you know where you are. It announces these rows and columns 
for you as you move from place to place. 

I will say that right now there seems to be a bug in the new version of Numbers 
that the computer slows way down on very large files. I have one that is over 
100 rows, and it's slow to use. I have reported this to Apple. I hope they fix 
it soon. But for smaller files, this should not be a problem. With these big 
files, the pro#more seems to be with editing the cells. Copying and pasting 
doesn't seem to be a problem. However, after having said that, I can make it 
work ok, even though with a braille display it is possible to need to force 
quit like I had to do yesterday. If you're using a braille display, turning 
grade 2 braille off might help. 

Regards, 
Gigi  

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:39 AM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hello, I have just downloaded Numbers. I need to access and make changes to 
> existing Excel documents.
> I can load the documents ok. How do I get in to the columns and rows  in the 
> spreadsheet? 
> I have tried to interact with the document all with no luck.
> Thanks again as always for any help 
> Max.
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Re: Finally!: An Audio Action/Adventure Game on the Mac!; BlindSide

[Teresa Cochran]

Hmmm, I'm not sure.

In my opinion, I think that even doing this, it's a steal of a price compared 
to other games for the blind. Also, this is supposedly one episode, so they may 
be doing more. They say it takes an average of an hour to play, but I'm a slow 
game-player, so it took me several.

Teresa

On Oct 2, 2012, at 6:14 AM, Maria Chapman  wrote:

> HI. am downloading it now.  it also gives me the link for a windows version 
> that's kind of cool. 
> 
> Surely it wouldn't let me have both?
> 
> 
>   regards
> Maria and crew from australia
> email:
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> check out 
> www.powerradio104.us
> where we play lots of great music
> 
> 
> 
> On 02/10/2012, at 5:46 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> Sorry about that; I was navigating the page once I was logged in.
>> 
>> Go to this page:
>> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
>> 
>> Do a text search for $3.99 and click on the link with these words. You'll be 
>> presented with a cart.
>> 
>> I'd suggest doing a text search, because there is a lot of material on this 
>> page.
>> 
>> I assure you that I have this game and I've played it through once already. 
>> The link provided on blindsidegame.com is just not a direct download link, 
>> which makes it confusing.
>> 
>> Hope this helps, and let me know if I can help further.
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Maria Chapman  wrote:
>> 
>>> does that mean the game is coming though? that would be pretty cool.
>>> 
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>> Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 02/10/2012, at 8:02 AM, John Panarese  wrote:
>>> 
   Are you sure this is still available.  I went to the link and there is 
 no dmg file to be found.  Of course, user error could be afoot, but I can 
 only find info that says the game is not yet avilable for the Mac.
 
 
 Take Care
 
 John D. Panarese
 Director
 Mac for the Blind
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 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com
 Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com
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 On Sep 30, 2012, at 4:12 PM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
> There's a link on the Blindside homepage for the download. I got the game 
> for the Mac. Go to the following page and do a VO search for "DMG" on the 
> page.
> http://www.desura.com/games/blindside
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> On Sep 30, 2012, at 10:00 AM, craig J Dunlop  
> wrote:
> 
>> After going up to the website it looks like the version for the Mac is 
>> not available yet! I hope it will be soon though.
>> On Sep 28, 2012, at 4:18 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
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Re: iPad

[Eugenia Firth]

Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop at 
our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test this 
because there was a discussion about tripple click home and whether this 
standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had present, unless 
it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of our sighted friends 
using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure out how to get it off. My 
husband said that at one time there was a link or something on the Apple 
website that said "Turn VoiceOver off." I've noticed that some of these sighted 
folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I guess that some of them don't 
listen to the hints. 

Gigi 


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Nope.
> 
> This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home works 
> out the box.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
>> VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the 
>> box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As 
>> mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access 
>> options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be 
>> set.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> just hit the home button 3 times
>>> On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking the 
 home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
 ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
 settings/accessibility/voiceover.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
 Subject: Re: iPad
 
 
 Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
 there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily 
 with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS 
 software and how voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go 
 through there podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts 
 relating to Iowa software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his 
 podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, though: 
 go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
 there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com 
 that might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are 
 many tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple 
 documentation for voiceover.
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:
 
> Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one and 
> needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John
> 
> Cakes
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Re: iPad

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?

Thanks.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop 
> at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test 
> this because there was a discussion about tripple click home and whether this 
> standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had present, 
> unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of our 
> sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure out how 
> to get it off. My husband said that at one time there was a link or something 
> on the Apple website that said "Turn VoiceOver off." I've noticed that some 
> of these sighted folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I guess that some 
> of them don't listen to the hints. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home works 
>> out the box.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
>>> VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the 
>>> box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As 
>>> mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access 
>>> options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be 
>>> set.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 just hit the home button 3 times
 On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking the 
> home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
> ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: iPad
> 
> 
> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
> there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily 
> with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS 
> software and how voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you 
> go through there podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts 
> relating to Iowa software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his 
> podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
> 
> Pam Francis
> 
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, though: 
> go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
> there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com 
> that might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are 
> many tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple 
> documentation for voiceover.
> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:
> 
>> Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
>> and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John
>> 
>> Cakes
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Re: braille display

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi guys. 
There are some very good reasons to use 40 cells instead of 32 for some people. 
This 40 cell one I have is much lighter than my Focus 40 that I'm about to give 
back to the state of Texas. 

For one thing, if you use Web Braille, the files are done with 38 cells as the 
righthand margin. Although you can read in Web Braille with fewer cells than 
40, you are always assured of getting a complete braille line with a 40 cell 
display. A 40 cell line is standard with NLS. 

Although the display is longer with a 40 cell ddvice, this particular one is 
not awkward like some of them can be with a longer display. I think it depends 
how heavy the device is. One of these days, when I feel like it, I may get one 
of those little bitty ones for the iPhone. I can't justify the cost right now 
because this little thing is pretty to use with the iPhone, what with the light 
leather carrying case and all. 

Regards, 
Gigi 
 

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:00 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen  
wrote:

> Hi.
> The brailliant display has in my opinion much better braille cells. The 
> brailliant has a much better carrying case, it can not fall out, the focus 
> can fall out of the bag. You can have the brailliant display sitting on your 
> knees, that can be a little insecure with the focus. There are some 
> advantages with the focus as well, but to me the braille cells seems noisy.
> 
> I sometimes wonder why most blind people are choosing 40 cells braille 
> displays. I feel much better with something like 32 cells, and it is a little 
> more handy too.
> 
> The only thing I do not like about brailliant is that I sometimes experience 
> problems with the bluetooth conectivity on IPhone, but maybe that has been 
> solved on IPhone 5, it looks like there has been some improvements in IOS 6.
> 
> I am both using brailliant and focus. It is important that your student tries 
> the displays, because it is so different how the display works for 
> individuals.
> Best regards Annie.
> 
> Den Oct 2, 2012 kl. 12:29 AM skrev "M. Taylor" :
> 
>> Marianne,
>> 
>> I strongly recommend the Focus since your student is a Jaws user.  
>> 
>> There are definite user advantages to using the Focus with Jaws such as
>> being able to set the level of Braille firmness.  This is one of my favorite
>> features.  
>> 
>> I also like the ability to reverse the Braille panning directions on the
>> Focus.  I am not certain if this is a Focus specific setting in Jaws, but it
>> is definitely a proverbial game changer for me.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Marianne Denning
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 3:18 PM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: braille display
>> 
>> Scott, I think I have narrowed it down to either the Brailliant 40 or Focus
>> 40.  Since he uses JAWS the Focus 40 may be the better choice.
>> That is what I am hoping to learn.
>> 
>> On 10/1/12, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> Hello out there.
>>> I just bought a new braille display, and so far I like it. It is new 
>>> to the Mac and IOS devices. I got the Braille Edge 40 this past 
>>> weekend. The inputs are actually doing better than I was having with 
>>> my Focus 40. I didn't have ghluetooth before, and I do not now. This 
>>> display also can be a stand-alone device. It doesn't go on the 
>>> Internet like say my PacMate in theory does, but I decided I didn't need
>> that, what with having the Mac and the iPhone.
>>> 
>>> So far the only thing I'm having is loosing connection with the iPhone 
>>> and having to re-establish it. This only has happened when I turn the 
>>> Braille display off or get out of communication with the iPhone. I may 
>>> have to inquiffe about that. It doesn't lose contact while operating 
>>> so far, and I didn't have the same problem with the Mac. I've only had 
>>> it since Friday, so maybe I'm doing something wrong. If anybody has 
>>> any ideas, please let me know.
>>> Regards,
>>> Gigi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:
>>> 
 Do you have any braille displays in mind?  Humanware has some.  So 
 does Freedom Scientific.
 
 
 Scott
 On 9/30/2012 12:42 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
> This is a cross post because I hope for several responses.  I am 
> purchasing a braille display for an elementary student.  This 
> student has excellent skills with access technology.  The student 
> will be using it with an IDevice and a Mac running OS 10 and Windows 
> 7.  JAWS is the screen reader on Windows.  I want a portable display 
> but not too small so I am looking at a 32 cell display or a 40 cell
>> display.
> Please let me know your experiences.  The student uses a Braillenote 
> too.
 
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Re: iPad

[Eugenia Firth]

Hi Ricardo.
I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. In 
this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it on 
theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out first 
before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that it would. 

Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
That's the best answer I can give. 

Regards, 
Gigi 


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
> taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
> 
>> Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop 
>> at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test 
>> this because there was a discussion about tripple click home and whether 
>> this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had present, 
>> unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of our 
>> sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure out 
>> how to get it off. My husband said that at one time there was a link or 
>> something on the Apple website that said "Turn VoiceOver off." I've noticed 
>> that some of these sighted folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I 
>> guess that some of them don't listen to the hints. 
>> 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Nope.
>>> 
>>> This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
>>> works out the box.
>>> 
>>> hth
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
 VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the 
 box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As 
 mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access 
 options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can 
 be set.
 
 Later...
 
 Tim Kilburn
 Fort McMurray, AB Canada
 
 On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
 
> just hit the home button 3 times
> On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking the 
>> home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
>> ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
>> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
>> 
>> Chris.
>> 
>> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
>> Subject: Re: iPad
>> 
>> 
>> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
>> there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
>> primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with 
>> iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If 
>> you go through there podcasts section, you will find your share of 
>> podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David Woodbridge also you can 
>> find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
>> 
>> Pam Francis
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>> 
>> Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, though: 
>> go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
>> there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com 
>> that might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are 
>> many tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple 
>> documentation for voiceover.
>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
>>> and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John
>>> 
>>> Cakes
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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Tim, the tripple click has always worked since I O S 5 by default, provided you 
do it during the setup screens.  At that point, it's enabled from that point 
forward.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: iPad


  Actually once I set VO via Itunes I had control of the triple click home.



  On 9/30/2012 10:04 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi, 


As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the box 
will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As mentioned 
earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access options through 
iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be set.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:


  just hit the home button 3 times
  On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
settings/accessibility/voiceover.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: iPad


Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily with 
visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS software and how 
voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go through there 
podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts relating to Iowa 
software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I 
hope this helps.

Pam Francis

On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com that 
might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are many 
tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple documentation for 
voiceover.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:


  Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John

  Cakes

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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

I'm so sorry, I called you Tim, didn't I.  Shows what happens when you get 
accaried away checking e-mail, and aren't paying attention.  My bad, Scott.  
Forgive me.  LOL!

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Scott Berry 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 4:56 PM
  Subject: Re: iPad


  Actually once I set VO via Itunes I had control of the triple click home.



  On 9/30/2012 10:04 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi, 


As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the box 
will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As mentioned 
earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access options through 
iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be set.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:


  just hit the home button 3 times
  On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
settings/accessibility/voiceover.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: iPad


Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily with 
visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS software and how 
voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go through there 
podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts relating to Iowa 
software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I 
hope this helps.

Pam Francis

On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com that 
might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are many 
tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple documentation for 
voiceover.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:


  Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John

  Cakes

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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Pam,

Even if they did have a first generation, that wouldn't matter at all.  This 
has absolutely nothing to do with the hardware specification like what 
generation... this depends on what version of IOS.  Ever since I O S 5, you've 
been able to do this.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Pam Francis 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 7:25 PM
  Subject: Re: iPad


  Hi folks,
  I got my iphone 4s on Friday. I hit tripple click home right out of the box. 
It worked. It also worked with my ipad II purchase last summer. The previous 
poster must have a 1st gen ipad.

  Pam Francis

  On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:


  Actually once I set VO via Itunes I had control of the triple click home.



  On 9/30/2012 10:04 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi, 


As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle 
VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the box 
will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As mentioned 
earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access options through 
iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be set.


Later...


Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada


On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:


  just hit the home button 3 times
  On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
settings/accessibility/voiceover.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: iPad


Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily with 
visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS software and how 
voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go through there 
podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts relating to Iowa 
software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I 
hope this helps.

Pam Francis

On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From 
there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com that 
might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are many 
tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple documentation for 
voiceover.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:


  Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John

  Cakes

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RE: iPad

[Paul Hunt]

Hello everyone. To get around this, you could either purchase the device
online or insist that the store sell you a device that hasn't been touched
by a store employee. People in stores want to make sure everything is set up
before a customer leaves the store. For some of us, part of the fun is the
pure joy of being able to open a box and set everything up ourselves. 

 

From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
[mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark
Gilland
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 9:27 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iPad

 

Tim, the tripple click has always worked since I O S 5 by default, provided
you do it during the setup screens.  At that point, it's enabled from that
point forward.

 

Chris.

 

- Original Message - 

From: Scott Berry   

To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 4:56 PM

Subject: Re: iPad

 

Actually once I set VO via Itunes I had control of the triple click home.



On 9/30/2012 10:04 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

Hi, 

 

As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to "Toggle
VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of the
box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As
mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access
options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be
set.

 

Later...

 

Tim Kilburn

Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 

On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:





just hit the home button 3 times
On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:



Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking the
home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within
ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping
settings/accessibility/voiceover.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: iPad


Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so there
is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily with
visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS software and
how voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go through there
podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts relating to Iowa
software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes.
I hope this helps.

Pam Francis

On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, though: go
to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. From there,
use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com that might
help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are many tutorials
and articles out there, plus the official Apple documentation for voiceover.
On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:




Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one and
needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John

Cakes

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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

John, I'm an Apple trainer.  I won't charge anything just to help get her set 
up.  Obviously passed that point, if she wants private lessons I could do them 
ovedr Skype, or the phone but there would be a small fee.  Just the initial 
setup though, I never ever charge people for that.  If she needs any more help 
getting Voiceover on or started, let me know.  Even with a first gen, it can be 
done with no sighted help.  Trust me, I've done it many many times.

Chris.

  - Original Message - 
  From: Beefcakes 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 1:18 AM
  Subject: Re: iPad


  Hi all, I'm the guy who wrote about a friends iPad. Actually she does have a 
first generation iPad. So she's trying to learn how she can access it, if  it 
has vo on itif etcetera. Anyway thanks for all the help everybody, you guys are 
great! John

  Cakes

  On Oct 1, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Scott Berry  wrote:


Actually once I set VO via Itunes I had control of the triple click home.



On 9/30/2012 10:04 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote:

  Hi, 


  As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to 
"Toggle VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that out of 
the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default lately.  As 
mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the Universal Access options 
through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the Triple-Click toggle can be set.


  Later...


  Tim Kilburn
  Fort McMurray, AB Canada


  On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:


just hit the home button 3 times
On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

  Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on within 
ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
settings/accessibility/voiceover.

  Chris.

  - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
  To: 
  Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
  Subject: Re: iPad


  Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works primarily with 
visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing with iOS software and how 
voiceover works. His name is David Woodbridge.  If you go through there 
podcasts section, you will find your share of podcasts relating to Iowa 
software done by David Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I 
hope this helps.

  Pam Francis

  On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

  Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it on. 
>From there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on applevis.com 
that might help. Googling specific questions will also help as there are many 
tutorials and articles out there, plus the official Apple documentation for 
voiceover.
  On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:


Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad 
one and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, John

Cakes

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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Again, as Ricardo said, the tripple click won't work by default, unless it 
was pressed initially during the setup screen.  If you all were trying to do 
this after the IPhones had been set up and configured, that's then why it 
didn't work on any of the units.  Trust me, I've been a dev for quite some 
time, so I think I should know what I'm talking about.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Eugenia Firth" 

To: 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: iPad


Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop 
at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test 
this because there was a discussion about tripple click home and whether 
this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had present, 
unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of our 
sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure out 
how to get it off. My husband said that at one time there was a link or 
something on the Apple website that said "Turn VoiceOver off." I've noticed 
that some of these sighted folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I 
guess that some of them don't listen to the hints.


Gigi


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:


Nope.

This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
works out the box.


hth

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:


Hi,

As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to 
"Toggle VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
Triple-Click toggle can be set.


Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:


just hit the home button 3 times
On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
settings/accessibility/voiceover.


Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
Subject: Re: iPad


Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.


Pam Francis

On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it 
on. From there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on 
applevis.com that might help. Googling specific questions will also 
help as there are many tutorials and articles out there, plus the 
official Apple documentation for voiceover.

On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:

Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
and needs to know how to get voiceover on it going. Thanks so much, 
John


Cakes

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Re: Apolagies To The List

[Søren Jensen]

Hi.

Well, I've seen mails from you before, so I didn't thought it was spam. I am 
looking forward to receive my gift card, which I hope will work in the danish 
iTunes.
Best regards:
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Den 02/10/2012 kl. 15.25 skrev Scott Rumery :

> Hello,
> 
> I would like to apologize to those of you that I offended by sending out a 
> promotion for an iTunes gift card that my company is doing.  It was not my 
> intention to send out spam and for the record I do not think what I did is 
> spam, but I have noticed that a couple of you on this list thought that I was 
> spamming the list.
> 
> We at Fedora Outlier are simply trying to spread the word about about the 
> company and I thought that I would post the announcement here so that those 
> of you that would like to be in the drawing could follow us and then be 
> entered.
> 
> I will refrain from sending this list any more announcements about Fedora 
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How to download ebooks from christianbook.com

[Cheryl Homiak]

Okay, I hope everybody will excuse that I am going to post this to three lists 
but at least I am going to send separately to each list. I thought this might 
be really helpful to some who may have been as frustrated as I was.

I have bought several ebooks from Christianbook.com. I could read them online 
but aside from a copy-and-paste procedure that only worked on Snow Leopard 
below 10.6.8, I could not download the books to my computer. Also, when I tried 
it with Adobe Digital Editions 2.0 on my computer in Windows, the fact that i 
had ADE installed wasn't even recognized but if I allowed the ADE to be 
installed from Christianbook.com in Windows it was inaccessible. Trying to 
download from the Mac was really frustrating because you could see the message 
to close the window from the flash player but couldn't access the link to 
download the item.

I emailed Christianbook specifically about updating their version of ADE and 
they wrote back suggesting I right-click. So I decided to try this on the Mac. 
To my dismay, setting a keyboard commander command for right click did not work 
even though I had the mouse lined up correctly; it just dinged at me. Doing 
vo-shift-m brought up a seven item menu which didn't include downloading the 
linked file.

Finally, I went into System Preferences > Trackpad and under the "point and 
click" tab, I changed the secondary click menu to "click in bottom right 
corner". This time when i lined up my mouse on the "download" link for a book 
and pressed the bottom right corner of the trackpad, and eight-item menu opened 
with both "download linked file" and another to save as. I have now tried this 
with three books and two times it downloaded the actual epub file. One time it 
downloaded the urllink file which downloaded the epub when opened in ADE.

I hope this will be as helpful to somebody else as it was to me. I have spent 
the greater part of the last two days stewing over this and trying to get 
something to work to download ebooks from this site. I no longer need to cling 
to Snow Leopard 10.6.7 on my old mac mini which threatens never to start up 
again every time I shut it down! I again apologize for posting this to three 
lists but I know that some people only subscribe to one of these.


-- 
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May the words of my mouth
and the meditation of my heart
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Re: iPad

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Right.  But as I'm trying to explain, that is expected behavior.  The term "out 
the box" pretty much means just that.  Voiceover being enabled with a triple 
press of home only works when the device is being set up either, straight from 
the factory when you first get the device and open its box or, you restore your 
device to factory  settings and are doing the set up again.  If a sighted 
person sets up your device, and they do not use voiceover, voiceover can not be 
enabled by default with a triple press of home.  You would then need to connect 
your phone to your computer and use iTunes to enable VO or, have a sighted 
person do it for you.  Again, this is standard behavior.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:

> Hi Ricardo.
> I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
> have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. In 
> this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it on 
> theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out first 
> before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that it 
> would. 
> 
> Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
> because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
> That's the best answer I can give. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
>> taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop 
>>> at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test 
>>> this because there was a discussion about triple click home and whether 
>>> this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had 
>>> present, unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of 
>>> our sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure 
>>> out how to get it off. My husband said that at one time there was a link or 
>>> something on the Apple website that said "Turn VoiceOver off." I've noticed 
>>> that some of these sighted folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I 
>>> guess that some of them don't listen to the hints. 
>>> 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Nope.
 
 This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
 works out the box.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to 
> "Toggle VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
> out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
> lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
> Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
> Triple-Click toggle can be set.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
> 
>> just hit the home button 3 times
>> On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
>>> the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
>>> within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
>>> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
>>> there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
>>> primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
>>> with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
>>> Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
>>> your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
>>> Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
>>> though: go to settings, general, acc

Re: problems playing OGG files with VLC

[Mark Baxter]

I'm apparently only at 1.0.3, even though I vividly remember upgrading to what 
I thought was 3.0.  Probably the problem.


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Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in programs together

[keith weatherly]

I want to link those programs together for recording perposes. for podcasting 
as well as music recording. I would also like to moniter myself while doing all 
of this. you know be able to hear everything that is going on as well as myself 
if i speak into the mic. I want to be able to speak and be able to play music 
in the background,record skype calls and . I hope i wasn't too comfusion. 
Sorry it to me so long to respond but my email for some unknown reason would 
not go out. I was able to recieve all my mail but i just couldn't send any out. 
Today it decides to let me. lol Anyway thanks in advance for any help. I do 
have a macbook,usb headset as well as a audio enterface with studeo mics with 
those programs i listed before.  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Gavin Grundlingh 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:21 PM
  Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
programs together


  Hi Keith,


  What is it you want the 4 programs to do together? I could give you 
step-by-step instructions, but to do that I'd have to know your particular 
setup so I can say exactly what to do where.


  Regards,


  Gavin Grundlingh
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  On 29 Sep 2012, at 10:02 PM, keith weatherly  
wrote:


my subject says what i'm trying to do could someone kindly walk me through 
this p proccess? r


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Re: iPad

[Kimberly thurman]

I got a brand new iPhone 5 delivered last Thursday from Sprint, and triple 
click of the home button did not turn VO on right out of the box.  When  my 
sighted husband got home, the set up screen was up asking what language I would 
like, etc., but no VO with triple  click home.
On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:

> Hi Ricardo.
> I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
> have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. In 
> this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it on 
> theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out first 
> before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that it 
> would. 
> 
> Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
> because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
> That's the best answer I can give. 
> 
> Regards, 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
>> taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>> 
>>> Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone workshop 
>>> at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We decided to test 
>>> this because there was a discussion about tripple click home and whether 
>>> this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the iPhones we had 
>>> present, unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I guess too many of 
>>> our sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on and couldn't figure 
>>> out how to get it off. My husband said that at one time there was a link or 
>>> something on the Apple website that said "Turn VoiceOver off." I've noticed 
>>> that some of these sighted folks panic when they get VoiceOver going. I 
>>> guess that some of them don't listen to the hints. 
>>> 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Nope.
 
 This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
 works out the box.
 
 hth
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
 
> Hi,
> 
> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to 
> "Toggle VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
> out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
> lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
> Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
> Triple-Click toggle can be set.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
> 
>> just hit the home button 3 times
>> On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
>>> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
>>> the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
>>> within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
>>> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
>>> 
>>> Chris.
>>> 
>>> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
>>> Subject: Re: iPad
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
>>> there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
>>> primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
>>> with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
>>> Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
>>> your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
>>> Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
>>> 
>>> Pam Francis
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
>>> though: go to settings, general, accessibility, Voiceover, and turn it 
>>> on. From there, use the list I emntioned and/or find some primers on 
>>> applevis.com that might help. Googling specific questions will also 
>>> help as there are many tutorials and articles out there, plus the 
>>> official Apple documentation for voiceover.
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Beefcakes  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi everybody, is there and I've had list for the mine has an iPad one 
 and needs to know how to get voice

Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in programs together

[keith weatherly]

i have a macbook running snow lepard.
  - Original Message - 
  From: keith weatherly 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 12:18 PM
  Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
programs together


  I want to link those programs together for recording perposes. for podcasting 
as well as music recording. I would also like to moniter myself while doing all 
of this. you know be able to hear everything that is going on as well as myself 
if i speak into the mic. I want to be able to speak and be able to play music 
in the background,record skype calls and . I hope i wasn't too comfusion. 
Sorry it to me so long to respond but my email for some unknown reason would 
not go out. I was able to recieve all my mail but i just couldn't send any out. 
Today it decides to let me. lol Anyway thanks in advance for any help. I do 
have a macbook,usb headset as well as a audio enterface with studeo mics with 
those programs i listed before.  
- Original Message - 
From: Gavin Grundlingh 
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
programs together


Hi Keith, 


What is it you want the 4 programs to do together? I could give you 
step-by-step instructions, but to do that I'd have to know your particular 
setup so I can say exactly what to do where.


Regards,


Gavin Grundlingh
Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
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On 29 Sep 2012, at 10:02 PM, keith weatherly  
wrote:


  my subject says what i'm trying to do could someone kindly walk me 
through this p proccess? r


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Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in programs together

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I would just use audio hijack pro and record all system audio.  I think that 
would be way easier and efficient.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
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On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:18 PM, "keith weatherly"  
wrote:

> I want to link those programs together for recording perposes. for podcasting 
> as well as music recording. I would also like to moniter myself while doing 
> all of this. you know be able to hear everything that is going on as well as 
> myself if i speak into the mic. I want to be able to speak and be able to 
> play music in the background,record skype calls and . I hope i wasn't too 
> comfusion. Sorry it to me so long to respond but my email for some unknown 
> reason would not go out. I was able to recieve all my mail but i just 
> couldn't send any out. Today it decides to let me. lol Anyway thanks in 
> advance for any help. I do have a macbook,usb headset as well as a audio 
> enterface with studeo mics with those programs i listed before.  
> - Original Message -
> From: Gavin Grundlingh
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:21 PM
> Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
> programs together
> 
> Hi Keith,
> 
> What is it you want the 4 programs to do together? I could give you 
> step-by-step instructions, but to do that I'd have to know your particular 
> setup so I can say exactly what to do where.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gavin Grundlingh
> Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
> Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
> Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
> Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
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> Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx
> 
> On 29 Sep 2012, at 10:02 PM, keith weatherly  
> wrote:
> 
>> my subject says what i'm trying to do could someone kindly walk me through 
>> this p proccess? r
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Re: iPad

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

Did you check your volume?  I got an iPhone 5 as weel from sprint and, triple 
press of home did turn on VO, and on that very screen with the different 
languages.  The volume was turned down almost all the way.  I did a 2 finger 
flick up, and increased the volume.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Kimberly thurman  wrote:

> I got a brand new iPhone 5 delivered last Thursday from Sprint, and triple 
> click of the home button did not turn VO on right out of the box.  When  my 
> sighted husband got home, the set up screen was up asking what language I 
> would like, etc., but no VO with triple  click home.
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
> 
>> Hi Ricardo.
>> I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
>> have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. In 
>> this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it on 
>> theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out 
>> first before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that 
>> it would. 
>> 
>> Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
>> because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
>> That's the best answer I can give. 
>> 
>> Regards, 
>> Gigi 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
>>> taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Ricardo Walker
>>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>>> www.appletothecore.info
>>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
>>> 
 Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone 
 workshop at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We 
 decided to test this because there was a discussion about tripple click 
 home and whether this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the 
 iPhones we had present, unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I 
 guess too many of our sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on 
 and couldn't figure out how to get it off. My husband said that at one 
 time there was a link or something on the Apple website that said "Turn 
 VoiceOver off." I've noticed that some of these sighted folks panic when 
 they get VoiceOver going. I guess that some of them don't listen to the 
 hints. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
 
> Nope.
> 
> This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
> works out the box.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to 
>> "Toggle VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
>> out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
>> lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
>> Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
>> Triple-Click toggle can be set.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>> just hit the home button 3 times
>>> On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
 the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
 within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
 settings/accessibility/voiceover.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
 Subject: Re: iPad
 
 
 Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
 there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
 primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
 with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
 Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
 your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
 Woodbridge also you can find his podcasts in iTunes. I hope this helps.
 
 Pam Francis
 
 On Sep 29, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
 
 Try the accessible-ios google group. I can answer your question, 
>>>

Re: iPad

[Kimberly thurman]

YOu know, I don't think I did that.  H!
On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:09 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Did you check your volume?  I got an iPhone 5 as weel from sprint and, triple 
> press of home did turn on VO, and on that very screen with the different 
> languages.  The volume was turned down almost all the way.  I did a 2 finger 
> flick up, and increased the volume.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:20 PM, Kimberly thurman  wrote:
> 
>> I got a brand new iPhone 5 delivered last Thursday from Sprint, and triple 
>> click of the home button did not turn VO on right out of the box.  When  my 
>> sighted husband got home, the set up screen was up asking what language I 
>> would like, etc., but no VO with triple  click home.
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Eugenia Firth wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Ricardo.
>>> I have done this test with several devices that sighted have had where they 
>>> have never turned VoiceOver on or off. It didn't work with theirs either. 
>>> In this case, some sighted folks had some iPhones there and they tried it 
>>> on theirs. It didn't work. So, it was recommended that people check it out 
>>> first before leaving the store to be sure it work and not just assume that 
>>> it would. 
>>> 
>>> Now, it could be that some of these stores are messing with the settings 
>>> because they don't want their customers turning VoiceOver on accidentally. 
>>> That's the best answer I can give. 
>>> 
>>> Regards, 
>>> Gigi 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 but I don't understand.  How was this test conducted?  Was it devices just 
 taken out the box or, restored to factory settings and turned on?
 
 Thanks.
 
 Ricardo Walker
 rica...@appletothecore.info
 Twitter:@apple2thecore
 www.appletothecore.info
 
 On Oct 2, 2012, at 10:10 AM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
> Ricardo, apparently that has been changed. AFB sponsored an iPhone 
> workshop at our recent ACB of Texas conference this past weekend. We 
> decided to test this because there was a discussion about tripple click 
> home and whether this standard any more. It didn't work on any of the 
> iPhones we had present, unless it was set up in the VoiceOver utility. I 
> guess too many of our sighted friends using iPhones turned VoiceOver on 
> and couldn't figure out how to get it off. My husband said that at one 
> time there was a link or something on the Apple website that said "Turn 
> VoiceOver off." I've noticed that some of these sighted folks panic when 
> they get VoiceOver going. I guess that some of them don't listen to the 
> hints. 
> 
> Gigi 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Nope.
>> 
>> This has been standard since IOS 5.0.  Voiceover and triple press home 
>> works out the box.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:04 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> As far as I know, you must first set up the "Triple-click Home" to 
>>> "Toggle VoiceOver" before that functionality will work.  Pressing that 
>>> out of the box will not turn on VO unless Apple has changed the default 
>>> lately.  As mentioned earlier, it may be easiest to configure the 
>>> Universal Access options through iTunes.  Then once VO is on, the 
>>> Triple-Click toggle can be set.
>>> 
>>> Later...
>>> 
>>> Tim Kilburn
>>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>>> 
>>> On 2012-09-30, at 8:18 PM, Hank Smith  wrote:
>>> 
 just hit the home button 3 times
 On 9/30/2012 2:19 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
> Why do all that?  Can they not turn on voiceover by tripple clicking 
> the home key from the initial setup, or if nothing else, turn V O on 
> within ITunes?  If they're blind, it's gonna be a little hard tapping 
> settings/accessibility/voiceover.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Pam Francis" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 2:04 AM
> Subject: Re: iPad
> 
> 
> Hello, I might to also assume that you are a brand-new iOS user if so 
> there is a gentleman on Apple this VIS Apple this.com who works 
> primarily with visually impaired and has done many podcasts dealing 
> with iOS software and how voiceover works. His name is David 
> Woodbridge.  If you go through there podcasts section, you will find 
> your share of podcasts relating to Iowa software done by David 
> Woodbridge also you can 

Re: OT iTunes Gift Card Giveaway

[Timothy Clark Music]

scott, i agree. 
God Bless. 
 Timothy. 
 Your friend in the music industry  
 http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com 
 7244011224

On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Scott Davert wrote:

> I'm not a mod or anything, but I think this is clasified as spam and
> action should be taken. One message was bad enough, now we get the
> news lettter too. I mean, if I had subscribed to the news letter,
> obviously I wouldn't have an issue, but I feel like the list shouldn't
> be a soundingboard for companies to advertize. I say this not being a
> moderator or anything, just as someone who follows the list and enjoys
> the otherwise useful info on it.
> 
> Thanks,
> Scott
> 
> On 10/2/12, Timothy Clark Music  wrote:
>> not to be offensive but why are you posting spam?
>> also, wwho is really going to take time out of their day to do what you are
>> asking of them? i don't even know why i'm writing this message. guess it's
>> because nothing's going on at this point in time.
>> i think i'm going to send this message and then read my bible. good day
>> God Bless.
>> Timothy.
>> Your friend in the music industry
>> http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com
>> 7244011224
>> 
>> On Oct 1, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Scott Rumery wrote:
>> 
>>> The Twit That Tweets iTunes Gift Card Giveaway
>>> 
>>> 
>>> You can win a $30 iTunes Gift Card just by following @fedora_outlier on
>>> Twitter! The rules are very simple. Follow @fedora_outlier on Twitter
>>> between now and November first and you’ll be in the drawing for a $30
>>> iTunes gift card.
>>> 
>>> In addition to the iTunes gift card 3 lucky people will also win a copy of
>>> the very first multi-media iBook accessible to the blind on mastering
>>> iOS.
>>> 
>>> Everyone is eligible unless you work for the firm, have already followed
>>> us in the past or have a problem with a virtually free gift card. Sighted
>>> people are welcome and any family members or friends you can think to
>>> share this with are welcomed to follow us as well.
>>> 
>>> The winners will be announced on November 10th. If you have any questions
>>> about this promotion or our firm visit us online at fedoraoutlier.com,
>>> e-mail us at excellence @fedoraoutlier.com or call us at (888) 958-6979.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in programs together

[Timothy Clark Music]

i personally hate that program. 
 use the sound driver called sound flower. it's smaller and works better. 
 use the program linen to monitor everything. 
 if anyone needs help with it add me on Skype so as i can walk you through it 
 my Skype id is djtimothy1
God Bless. 
 Timothy. 
 Your friend in the music industry  
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 7244011224

On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> I would just use audio hijack pro and record all system audio.  I think that 
> would be way easier and efficient.
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:18 PM, "keith weatherly"  
> wrote:
> 
>> I want to link those programs together for recording perposes. for 
>> podcasting as well as music recording. I would also like to moniter myself 
>> while doing all of this. you know be able to hear everything that is going 
>> on as well as myself if i speak into the mic. I want to be able to speak and 
>> be able to play music in the background,record skype calls and . I hope 
>> i wasn't too comfusion. Sorry it to me so long to respond but my email for 
>> some unknown reason would not go out. I was able to recieve all my mail but 
>> i just couldn't send any out. Today it decides to let me. lol Anyway thanks 
>> in advance for any help. I do have a macbook,usb headset as well as a audio 
>> enterface with studeo mics with those programs i listed before.  
>> - Original Message -
>> From: Gavin Grundlingh
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:21 PM
>> Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
>> programs together
>> 
>> Hi Keith,
>> 
>> What is it you want the 4 programs to do together? I could give you 
>> step-by-step instructions, but to do that I'd have to know your particular 
>> setup so I can say exactly what to do where.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Gavin Grundlingh
>> Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
>> Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
>> Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
>> Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
>> Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
>> Skype: Batworx
>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/batworx
>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx
>> 
>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 10:02 PM, keith weatherly  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> my subject says what i'm trying to do could someone kindly walk me through 
>>> this p proccess? r
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windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?

[Phil Halton]

I'm going to install Windows7 on my late 2011 iMac soon and am wondering about 
this very important and useful key - the windows logo key. Obviously its not on 
the Apple USB full-size keyboard, but is there an alternative mapping after you 
install the bootcamp support drivers? How about the "applications key" on pc 
keyboards.

These two keys are invaluable on windows systems. Do I have to map them with 
something like SharpKeys, or is there already an alternative mapping?

thanks.

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Re: windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?

[Chris Bruinenberg]

You'll need to install sharp keys on windows. 
The windows key by default is the command key. At least on  my MacBook. 
Sharp keys will have to change a key such as the right command or option to the 
applications key. 
Hope that's helpful to you 


Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> I'm going to install Windows7 on my late 2011 iMac soon and am wondering 
> about this very important and useful key - the windows logo key. Obviously 
> its not on the Apple USB full-size keyboard, but is there an alternative 
> mapping after you install the bootcamp support drivers? How about the 
> "applications key" on pc keyboards.
>  
> These two keys are invaluable on windows systems. Do I have to map them with 
> something like SharpKeys, or is there already an alternative mapping?
>  
> thanks.
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Re: windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?

[Alex Hall]

The command key is the windows key, at least that's how the mac maps it on a 
windows-style usb keyboard connected to my mini. As to applications, there is 
not, but remember that the same functionality can be gotten to by pressing 
shift-f10. I know it isn't as convenient, but it is something to keep in mind.
On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> You'll need to install sharp keys on windows. 
> The windows key by default is the command key. At least on  my MacBook. 
> Sharp keys will have to change a key such as the right command or option to 
> the applications key. 
> Hope that's helpful to you 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to install Windows7 on my late 2011 iMac soon and am wondering 
>> about this very important and useful key - the windows logo key. Obviously 
>> its not on the Apple USB full-size keyboard, but is there an alternative 
>> mapping after you install the bootcamp support drivers? How about the 
>> "applications key" on pc keyboards.
>>  
>> These two keys are invaluable on windows systems. Do I have to map them with 
>> something like SharpKeys, or is there already an alternative mapping?
>>  
>> thanks.
>>  
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Re: Basic Cocoa Programming

[CJ Daniel]

You're welcome & good luck,

CJ


On Oct 1, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Nicholas Parsons  
wrote:

> Thanks CJ and Steve!
> 
> I'll check these out. I have an international Bookshare membership and I 
> believe I've seen those O'Reily books before in some search results, so 
> hopefully I can get them. Thanks for the great suggestions!
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Re: Safari Books Online

[CJ Daniel]

Hi,

I read them as HTML in Safari on my Mac.  Remember, the key is to add them to 
your bookshelf via favorites.  Unless you do that, you can only see a teaser 
for each chapter @ a time.

Hope this helps,

CJ


On Sep 30, 2012, at 9:17 PM, Cheree Heppe  wrote:

> Cheree Heppe here:
> 
> I tried them because my agency is offering the books as  enrichment and 
> career enhancement materials.
> 
> I had no luck reading those books on an IOS device.  Either I got it really 
> wrong or they aren't accessible to any significant degree.
> 
> Whatdid you say was your work-around?
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Cheree Heppe
> 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "CJ Daniel" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 20:10
> Subject: Re: Safari Books Online
> 
> 
> Paul,
> 
> I think it is www.safaribooksonline.com.  Or, it might be 
> www.safaribooks.com.  Anyway, they've got a 10-day free trial.  After that, 
> the basic subscription is $19 a month.  That might seem a bit expensive, but 
> I love the access to so much technical information.
> 
> There are several formats available.  I've had the most success with their 
> HTML.  You search for titles, add the one you want to your bookshelf, open it 
> & move through the table of contents, & jump to the web content for each 
> chapter.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> CJ
> 
> 
> On Sep 30, 2012, at 3:48 PM, Paul Hunt  wrote:
> 
>> I'm also interested in learning CoCo. What is the URL for Safari Books 
>> Online? What formats does Safari use for the books? Thanks so much.
>> 
>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 3:15 PM, CJ Daniel  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Download Xcode from the app store.  It's a complete IDE for the Mac, which 
>>> is completely free.  And, based on preliminary usage, it works well with 
>>> VoiceOver.  
>>> 
>>> There are free online tutorials available for learning to code, using coco, 
>>> C++, etc.  However, the best bet seems to be signing up for a subscription 
>>> to Safari Books Online.  They've got a massive collection of technical 
>>> books for Mac, Windows, Etc, Etc.  There are various books on the subject 
>>> of Xcode.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> 
>>> CJ
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 29, 2012, at 4:31 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
 HI all (and particularly Esther, as I have a feeling you may hold the 
 answers to these questions),
 
 I'd like to try and understand a little about basic programming on the 
 Mac. I'd like to see if I could develop some very simple little apps. I 
 would, of course, want them to be accessible with VoiceOver. In fact, this 
 would be my top priority.
 
 I've heard that programming in the Mac's native cocoa language is best in 
 terms of VoiceOver accessibility.
 
 So, my questions are:
 
 1. Does anyone know of a good resource for learning the basics of cocoa, 
 particularly any that provide a VO accessibility point of view?
 and
 2. Are there any apps that can be used to develop apps in cocoa which are 
 accessible with VoiceOver?
 
 Many thanks for any help.
 
 Nic
 
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Re: windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?

[Phil Halton]

Great, I assume that the option key maps to the alt key on pc keyboards?

  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:04 PM
  Subject: Re: windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?


  You'll need to install sharp keys on windows. 
  The windows key by default is the command key. At least on  my MacBook. 
  Sharp keys will have to change a key such as the right command or option to 
the applications key. 
  Hope that's helpful to you 


  Sent from my iPhone

  On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:


I'm going to install Windows7 on my late 2011 iMac soon and am wondering 
about this very important and useful key - the windows logo key. Obviously its 
not on the Apple USB full-size keyboard, but is there an alternative mapping 
after you install the bootcamp support drivers? How about the "applications 
key" on pc keyboards.

These two keys are invaluable on windows systems. Do I have to map them 
with something like SharpKeys, or is there already an alternative mapping?

thanks.


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Re: windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?

[Alex Hall]

Again based on my mac's mapping of a windows keyboard, yes. Too bad there's no 
function key mapping for windows keyboards, as I'd love to have the function 
keys (f1-f12) work like they do on a dedicated mac keyboard.
On Oct 2, 2012, at 4:04 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:

> Great, I assume that the option key maps to the alt key on pc keyboards?
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: Chris Bruinenberg
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:04 PM
> Subject: Re: windows logo key alternative on Apple keyboard?
> 
> You'll need to install sharp keys on windows. 
> The windows key by default is the command key. At least on  my MacBook. 
> Sharp keys will have to change a key such as the right command or option to 
> the applications key. 
> Hope that's helpful to you 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:04 PM, "Phil Halton"  wrote:
> 
>> I'm going to install Windows7 on my late 2011 iMac soon and am wondering 
>> about this very important and useful key - the windows logo key. Obviously 
>> its not on the Apple USB full-size keyboard, but is there an alternative 
>> mapping after you install the bootcamp support drivers? How about the 
>> "applications key" on pc keyboards.
>>  
>> These two keys are invaluable on windows systems. Do I have to map them with 
>> something like SharpKeys, or is there already an alternative mapping?
>>  
>> thanks.
>>  
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Re: downloading actual youtube videos?

[ROD SKENE]

I download YouTube videos with an app called MacTubes.  There are many 
unlabeled buttons but the help tags make the app accessible.
Rod
On Oct 1, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Maria Chapman  wrote:

> Hi.  I have youtube to mp3 converter, which works well.  I'm working on a 
> presentation i have to do though, and was hoping to include some clips in the 
> presentation.  Because I'm presenting to sighted people I'd like to know if 
> it's possible to download the whole video somehow with the mac.  
> 
> thanks
> 
> God Bless! Maria from australia
>  Newbie mac user.
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Gigi, you're still not understanding though what we're trying to explain. 
This explains why it didn't work.


The tripple click of the home key won't work unless several conditions have 
been met.


1.  The user gets the IPhone out of the box for the first time, powers it on 
for the very first time, and as soon as the first initial screen to set up 
the device comes up, they then press the home key 3 times quickly in a row.


2.  The user must go into settings, accessibility, tripple click home, and 
set it to toggle voiceover.


Here's the thing though that you need to understand.  The tripple clicking 
of the home key, to toggle it on/off as you all were testing, and trying to 
do, will, not, work, unless you either manually set it to do so through 
settings, or unless you mash the home key the 3 times quickly after very 
very first turnhing on the phone.  I don't mean, turn on the phone after it 
already has been before, then immediately press home 3 times.  That won't 
necessarily work.  You literally have to do it initially the very very very 
first time ever that the device is powered on or is reset to factory default 
settings with all data being wiped.


I guarantee, if you was to buy an I O S device from Apple, take it out of 
the box, put the sim card in, if there need to be one depending on the 
network it's being used with, then hold the sleep/power button on the top 
right of the device, power it on, then as soon for the first time as it ever 
gets power, and comes on, as soon as you see the screen that says welcome, 
and you then immediately press the home key, the round concaved key at the 
front bottom center just below the screen 3 times quickly as a tripple 
click, Voiceover would then start talking.  It would be a bit quiet, and you 
may have to turn it up, but ultimately, it should turn on.


The reason it wasn't working when you all did it, is because someone had 
already gotten through those welcome screens.  They'd already selected their 
language, time zone, etc etc and initially set up the device.  Once they've 
done this, if they didn't turn Voiceover on at that time with the tripple 
click, as they were setting it up, then it won't work unless you manually go 
in and turn that setting on.  If you do it during the initial setup screen, 
it will turn Voiceover on, plus will set it so that from that point forward, 
no matter what, hitting the home key 3 quick times will toggle Voiceover 
on/off.


I have an old IPod, which is pretty much identical to an IPhone only without 
the hardware gut of the phone, but same exact system/OS.  It's still I O S. 
If this doesn't make sense, I'll try making an audio recording with it after 
restoring it to factory default and show you what I mean.


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Re: iPad

[Chris Bruinenberg]

Hi Chris.
I know, it works. I tried my brothers iPhone 4s and it does not turn voiceover 
on.
Your correct with everything you said and it all makes perfect sense.

Thanks.
Chris Bruinenberg

cbrui...@gmail.com



On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:23 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland"  
wrote:

> Gigi, you're still not understanding though what we're trying to explain. 
> This explains why it didn't work.
> 
> The tripple click of the home key won't work unless several conditions have 
> been met.
> 
> 1.  The user gets the IPhone out of the box for the first time, powers it on 
> for the very first time, and as soon as the first initial screen to set up 
> the device comes up, they then press the home key 3 times quickly in a row.
> 
> 2.  The user must go into settings, accessibility, tripple click home, and 
> set it to toggle voiceover.
> 
> Here's the thing though that you need to understand.  The tripple clicking of 
> the home key, to toggle it on/off as you all were testing, and trying to do, 
> will, not, work, unless you either manually set it to do so through settings, 
> or unless you mash the home key the 3 times quickly after very very first 
> turnhing on the phone.  I don't mean, turn on the phone after it already has 
> been before, then immediately press home 3 times.  That won't necessarily 
> work.  You literally have to do it initially the very very very first time 
> ever that the device is powered on or is reset to factory default settings 
> with all data being wiped.
> 
> I guarantee, if you was to buy an I O S device from Apple, take it out of the 
> box, put the sim card in, if there need to be one depending on the network 
> it's being used with, then hold the sleep/power button on the top right of 
> the device, power it on, then as soon for the first time as it ever gets 
> power, and comes on, as soon as you see the screen that says welcome, and you 
> then immediately press the home key, the round concaved key at the front 
> bottom center just below the screen 3 times quickly as a tripple click, 
> Voiceover would then start talking.  It would be a bit quiet, and you may 
> have to turn it up, but ultimately, it should turn on.
> 
> The reason it wasn't working when you all did it, is because someone had 
> already gotten through those welcome screens.  They'd already selected their 
> language, time zone, etc etc and initially set up the device.  Once they've 
> done this, if they didn't turn Voiceover on at that time with the tripple 
> click, as they were setting it up, then it won't work unless you manually go 
> in and turn that setting on.  If you do it during the initial setup screen, 
> it will turn Voiceover on, plus will set it so that from that point forward, 
> no matter what, hitting the home key 3 quick times will toggle Voiceover 
> on/off.
> 
> I have an old IPod, which is pretty much identical to an IPhone only without 
> the hardware gut of the phone, but same exact system/OS.  It's still I O S. 
> If this doesn't make sense, I'll try making an audio recording with it after 
> restoring it to factory default and show you what I mean.
> 
> Chris.
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Go to end of document

[Agent086b]

Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work now.
Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I am 
using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I know of.
Thanks again.
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Thanks re: problem with Facebook app and push notifications, please help!

[Chris]

Hello all.
Thank you all for trying to help with my problem regarding the Facebook 
app and push notifications.

I ended up restoring my iPhone 4 runnning iOS 6 from an iCloud backup.
It is all sorted, and my iPhone is more responsive now than before the 
restore.

Thanks once again.

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Re: Go to end of document

[Chris]

I thought the end of a document was command-down arrow. At least it 
works in Text Edit and any edit text fields, but it is broken in some 
tables, such as the message table in Mail.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 23:56, Agent086b wrote:

Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work now.
Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I am 
using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I know of.
Thanks again.
Max.



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Re: Go to end of document

[Agent086b]

Thanks, I thought Command down arrow was to insert a row below the one you are 
on.
Max.
On 03/10/2012, at 9:18 AM, Chris  wrote:

> I thought the end of a document was command-down arrow. At least it works in 
> Text Edit and any edit text fields, but it is broken in some tables, such as 
> the message table in Mail.
> 
> 
> Christopher Hallsworth
> 
> On 02/10/2012 23:56, Agent086b wrote:
>> Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work 
>> now.
>> Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I am 
>> using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I know 
>> of.
>> Thanks again.
>> Max.
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Re: iPad

[Chris]

Hello all, I can prove that Triple Click home to turn VoiceOver on still 
works in iOS 6 at least after a factory reset and at least on an iPhone 
4. This is how I restored it from an iCloud backup without sighted 
assistance.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 23:23, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

Gigi, you're still not understanding though what we're trying to
explain. This explains why it didn't work.

The tripple click of the home key won't work unless several conditions
have been met.

1.  The user gets the IPhone out of the box for the first time, powers
it on for the very first time, and as soon as the first initial screen
to set up the device comes up, they then press the home key 3 times
quickly in a row.

2.  The user must go into settings, accessibility, tripple click home,
and set it to toggle voiceover.

Here's the thing though that you need to understand.  The tripple
clicking of the home key, to toggle it on/off as you all were testing,
and trying to do, will, not, work, unless you either manually set it to
do so through settings, or unless you mash the home key the 3 times
quickly after very very first turnhing on the phone.  I don't mean, turn
on the phone after it already has been before, then immediately press
home 3 times.  That won't necessarily work.  You literally have to do it
initially the very very very first time ever that the device is powered
on or is reset to factory default settings with all data being wiped.

I guarantee, if you was to buy an I O S device from Apple, take it out
of the box, put the sim card in, if there need to be one depending on
the network it's being used with, then hold the sleep/power button on
the top right of the device, power it on, then as soon for the first
time as it ever gets power, and comes on, as soon as you see the screen
that says welcome, and you then immediately press the home key, the
round concaved key at the front bottom center just below the screen 3
times quickly as a tripple click, Voiceover would then start talking.
It would be a bit quiet, and you may have to turn it up, but ultimately,
it should turn on.

The reason it wasn't working when you all did it, is because someone had
already gotten through those welcome screens.  They'd already selected
their language, time zone, etc etc and initially set up the device.
Once they've done this, if they didn't turn Voiceover on at that time
with the tripple click, as they were setting it up, then it won't work
unless you manually go in and turn that setting on.  If you do it during
the initial setup screen, it will turn Voiceover on, plus will set it so
that from that point forward, no matter what, hitting the home key 3
quick times will toggle Voiceover on/off.

I have an old IPod, which is pretty much identical to an IPhone only
without the hardware gut of the phone, but same exact system/OS.  It's
still I O S. If this doesn't make sense, I'll try making an audio
recording with it after restoring it to factory default and show you
what I mean.

Chris.



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Re: downloading actual youtube videos?

[Chris]

Can I use this app to convert Youtube to say MP3? Thanks!


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 22:46, ROD SKENE wrote:

I download YouTube videos with an app called MacTubes.  There are many
unlabeled buttons but the help tags make the app accessible.
Rod
On Oct 1, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Maria Chapman mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi.  I have youtube to mp3 converter, which works well.  I'm working
on a presentation i have to do though, and was hoping to include some
clips in the presentation.  Because I'm presenting to sighted people
I'd like to know if it's possible to download the whole video somehow
with the mac.

thanks

God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl










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Re: iPad

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Let me know if you all need that audio demonstration still.  I'm not about! 
to reset my IPhone to demonstration this, but I'd be happy to do it with the 
IPod, seeing I mainly only use that thing as a testing device for things 
like this anyway.


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris Bruinenberg" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: iPad


Hi Chris.
I know, it works. I tried my brothers iPhone 4s and it does not turn 
voiceover on.

Your correct with everything you said and it all makes perfect sense.

Thanks.
Chris Bruinenberg

cbrui...@gmail.com



On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:23 PM, "Christopher-Mark Gilland" 
 wrote:


Gigi, you're still not understanding though what we're trying to explain. 
This explains why it didn't work.


The tripple click of the home key won't work unless several conditions 
have been met.


1.  The user gets the IPhone out of the box for the first time, powers it 
on for the very first time, and as soon as the first initial screen to set 
up the device comes up, they then press the home key 3 times quickly in a 
row.


2.  The user must go into settings, accessibility, tripple click home, and 
set it to toggle voiceover.


Here's the thing though that you need to understand.  The tripple clicking 
of the home key, to toggle it on/off as you all were testing, and trying 
to do, will, not, work, unless you either manually set it to do so through 
settings, or unless you mash the home key the 3 times quickly after very 
very first turnhing on the phone.  I don't mean, turn on the phone after 
it already has been before, then immediately press home 3 times.  That 
won't necessarily work.  You literally have to do it initially the very 
very very first time ever that the device is powered on or is reset to 
factory default settings with all data being wiped.


I guarantee, if you was to buy an I O S device from Apple, take it out of 
the box, put the sim card in, if there need to be one depending on the 
network it's being used with, then hold the sleep/power button on the top 
right of the device, power it on, then as soon for the first time as it 
ever gets power, and comes on, as soon as you see the screen that says 
welcome, and you then immediately press the home key, the round concaved 
key at the front bottom center just below the screen 3 times quickly as a 
tripple click, Voiceover would then start talking.  It would be a bit 
quiet, and you may have to turn it up, but ultimately, it should turn on.


The reason it wasn't working when you all did it, is because someone had 
already gotten through those welcome screens.  They'd already selected 
their language, time zone, etc etc and initially set up the device.  Once 
they've done this, if they didn't turn Voiceover on at that time with the 
tripple click, as they were setting it up, then it won't work unless you 
manually go in and turn that setting on.  If you do it during the initial 
setup screen, it will turn Voiceover on, plus will set it so that from 
that point forward, no matter what, hitting the home key 3 quick times 
will toggle Voiceover on/off.


I have an old IPod, which is pretty much identical to an IPhone only 
without the hardware gut of the phone, but same exact system/OS.  It's 
still I O S. If this doesn't make sense, I'll try making an audio 
recording with it after restoring it to factory default and show you what 
I mean.


Chris.

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Re: Go to end of document

[Donovan Osborn]

There is a page down key it is Function+Down arrow
The Function key is probably the key left of the VO keys. 
You can hit VO+K tu turn on key description and here all of the Function arrow 
keys  to see what thay do.

Sincerely,

Donovan Osborn
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On Oct 2, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

> Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work now.
> Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I am 
> using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I know 
> of.
> Thanks again.
> Max.
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Re: Go to end of document

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Yes there is.

First of all:

fn+left arrow=Page up
fn+right arrow=Page Down
fn+Up arrow=Home
fn+down arrow=End.

In Text Edit at least, can't speak for Numbers, command+left arrow=beginning 
of line

command+right arrow=End of line
Command+Up arrow=top of file
command+down arrow=bottom of file.

Chris.

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From: "Agent086b" 

To: "Mac List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Go to end of document


Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work 
now.
Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I 
am using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I 
know of.

Thanks again.
Max.

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Re: Go to end of document

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Chris,

you're slightly confused.  In tables, you can't do command+down arrow.  What 
you gotta do in a table, is to hit fn+vo+shift+right arrow.


If you do left arrow instead of right arrow you'll jump to the top of the 
table.


I know that sounds cocka mainy but trust me, it works.

For those with a full sized keyboard, you can do the same thing with vo+home 
and vo+end.  Just be sure that before you hit either a those that you first 
are interacting with the table.  Otherwise you'll jump to the bottom of the 
screen, or the top, respectedly.


Chris.

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From: "Chris" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Go to end of document


I thought the end of a document was command-down arrow. At least it works 
in Text Edit and any edit text fields, but it is broken in some tables, 
such as the message table in Mail.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 23:56, Agent086b wrote:
Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work 
now.
Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I 
am using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I 
know of.

Thanks again.
Max.



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Re: Go to end of document

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

That might be true in numbers, Max, but in Text Edit, those commands 
definitely! work.  They also should wortk in Pages, as well as pretty much 
any text field area.


Chris.

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From: "Agent086b" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Go to end of document


Thanks, I thought Command down arrow was to insert a row below the one you 
are on.

Max.
On 03/10/2012, at 9:18 AM, Chris  wrote:

I thought the end of a document was command-down arrow. At least it works 
in Text Edit and any edit text fields, but it is broken in some tables, 
such as the message table in Mail.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 23:56, Agent086b wrote:
Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to 
work now.
Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? 
I am using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key 
that I know of.

Thanks again.
Max.



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Re: downloading actual youtube videos?

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

You know Chris, I'm not totally sure if it does mp3's.  the last I looked it 
didn't, unfortunately.  That is the only thing I don't like about it.  That 
and there are a few unlabeled buttons, but you probably by now I'd assume 
know about the vo+slash to label things manually.  For what it is, it's a 
great little app, it just doesn't quite do what I need being I'm totally 
with you... I'd prefer it encode to mp3, not saving the video portion as 
well, as that takes up way too much room.  Now yeah, there are some vids I 
do wanna keep the video to, but we won't go there.  Hahahah.  Hint hint, 
ROFL!


Just kidding.  I'm not that way.  LOL!

- Original Message - 
From: "Chris" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: downloading actual youtube videos?



Can I use this app to convert Youtube to say MP3? Thanks!


Christopher Hallsworth

On 02/10/2012 22:46, ROD SKENE wrote:

I download YouTube videos with an app called MacTubes.  There are many
unlabeled buttons but the help tags make the app accessible.
Rod
On Oct 1, 2012, at 7:18 PM, Maria Chapman mailto:bubbygirl1...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Hi.  I have youtube to mp3 converter, which works well.  I'm working
on a presentation i have to do though, and was hoping to include some
clips in the presentation.  Because I'm presenting to sighted people
I'd like to know if it's possible to download the whole video somehow
with the mac.

thanks

God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com 
will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.
skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl










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Re: Go to end of document

[Christopher-Mark Gilland]

Donovan,

I was under the impression that up and down was home and end and left and 
right was page up and down.  Do I have it backwards?  I do it so second 
natured I don't really think/annalyze it.  LOL!


Chris.

- Original Message - 
From: "Donovan Osborn" 

To: 
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: Go to end of document



There is a page down key it is Function+Down arrow
The Function key is probably the key left of the VO keys.
You can hit VO+K tu turn on key description and here all of the Function 
arrow keys  to see what thay do.


Sincerely,

Donovan Osborn
donovan303...@gmail.com



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Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work 
now.
Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I 
am using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I 
know of.

Thanks again.
Max.

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Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in programs together

[keith weatherly]

when's a good time to get up with you?
  - Original Message - 
  From: Timothy Clark Music 
  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:13 PM
  Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
programs together


  i personally hate that program. 
   use the sound driver called sound flower. it's smaller and works better. 
   use the program linen to monitor everything. 
   if anyone needs help with it add me on Skype so as i can walk you through it 
   my Skype id is djtimothy1

  God Bless. 
   Timothy. 
   Your friend in the music industry  
   http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com 
   7244011224 


  On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:


Hi,

I would just use audio hijack pro and record all system audio.  I think 
that would be way easier and efficient.

Ricardo Walker
rica...@appletothecore.info
Twitter:@apple2thecore
www.appletothecore.info

On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:18 PM, "keith weatherly" 
 wrote:


  I want to link those programs together for recording perposes. for 
podcasting as well as music recording. I would also like to moniter myself 
while doing all of this. you know be able to hear everything that is going on 
as well as myself if i speak into the mic. I want to be able to speak and be 
able to play music in the background,record skype calls and . I hope i 
wasn't too comfusion. Sorry it to me so long to respond but my email for some 
unknown reason would not go out. I was able to recieve all my mail but i just 
couldn't send any out. Today it decides to let me. lol Anyway thanks in advance 
for any help. I do have a macbook,usb headset as well as a audio enterface with 
studeo mics with those programs i listed before.  

  - Original Message -

  From: Gavin Grundlingh

  To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com

  Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:21 PM

  Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
programs together



  Hi Keith,



  What is it you want the 4 programs to do together? I could give you 
step-by-step instructions, but to do that I'd have to know your particular 
setup so I can say exactly what to do where.



  Regards,



  Gavin Grundlingh

  Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191

  Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466

  Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792

  Email: g.batw...@gmail.com

  Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za

  Skype: Batworx

  Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/batworx

  Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx



  On 29 Sep 2012, at 10:02 PM, keith weatherly 
 wrote:



my subject says what i'm trying to do could someone kindly walk me 
through this p proccess? r



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Re: braille display

[Sarai Bucciarelli]

I like the Brailliant BI40. It's not bulky.
On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Scott Berry wrote:

> Do you have any braille displays in mind?  Humanware has some.  So does 
> Freedom Scientific.
> 
> 
> Scott
> On 9/30/2012 12:42 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
>> This is a cross post because I hope for several responses.  I am
>> purchasing a braille display for an elementary student.  This student
>> has excellent skills with access technology.  The student will be
>> using it with an IDevice and a Mac running OS 10 and Windows 7.  JAWS
>> is the screen reader on Windows.  I want a portable display but not
>> too small so I am looking at a 32 cell display or a 40 cell display.
>> Please let me know your experiences.  The student uses a Braillenote
>> too.
>> 
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Re: braille display

[Kaare Dehard]

me too, just have troubles using it things like using the keyboard to do 
command-l and pull a links list. If anyone could point me in the right 
direction I'd love ya. I have done the rtfm, but am still at a loss.

On 2012-10-02, at 10:10 PM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> I like the Brailliant BI40. It's not bulky.
> On Oct 1, 2012, at 3:52 PM, Scott Berry wrote:
> 
>> Do you have any braille displays in mind?  Humanware has some.  So does 
>> Freedom Scientific.
>> 
>> 
>> Scott
>> On 9/30/2012 12:42 PM, Marianne Denning wrote:
>>> This is a cross post because I hope for several responses.  I am
>>> purchasing a braille display for an elementary student.  This student
>>> has excellent skills with access technology.  The student will be
>>> using it with an IDevice and a Mac running OS 10 and Windows 7.  JAWS
>>> is the screen reader on Windows.  I want a portable display but not
>>> too small so I am looking at a 32 cell display or a 40 cell display.
>>> Please let me know your experiences.  The student uses a Braillenote
>>> too.
>>> 
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newbie tip: vo-u in webpages

[Alex Hall]

Hi all,
I'm back for another in my unintentional Newbie Tips series, where I explain 
something I just found that I wish I'd known months ago.

This time it's the web rotor, available in any "html content" item. When vo is 
focused in one of these, press vo-u to bring up the web rotor. Left and right 
arrows will move you through the different items available (you can set which 
ones you see in the vo utility under web). Each time you left/right arrow to a 
category, vo tells you how many of that item are on the page. You then use up 
and down arrows to move through the list of that item. For instance, you might 
do a google search, then bring up the web rotor and arrow to headings. Use up 
and down arrows in the headings list to move through your search results. 
Pressing space or vo-space on any item will jump you to it, but will not open 
it, even if it is a link. So, if you are arrowing along and find a link in the 
rotor list, press space on it and vo will jump to it. You must vo-space again 
to actually open the link.

This looks like a really neat tool and one I will certainly be using more now 
that I know about it. As always, if I have made any errors, please correct me 
so we don't have bad information getting spread around.


Have a great day,
Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini)
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system dialog but not there

[Ray Foret Jr]

Okay.

Want a weird problem?  Here goes.  While running Skype, and after a while of 
just sitting there, I will suddenly hear a Skype alert telling me a contact has 
gone on or off line; and then, I hear "system dialog".  But, when I go to check 
using VO+F2, nothing but that one window open.  Any clues?


Sincerely,
The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!

Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!

Skype name:
barefootedray

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Re: Go to end of document

[Agent086b]

Thanks this works. I have read all the keyboard commands I can find, but I have 
not seen the below.
Is there a series of help files for different applications?
 How do you all find out about these?Thanks again.
Max.
On 03/10/2012, at 10:54 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> you're slightly confused.  In tables, you can't do command+down arrow.  What 
> you gotta do in a table, is to hit fn+vo+shift+right arrow.
> 
> If you do left arrow instead of right arrow you'll jump to the top of the 
> table.
> 
> I know that sounds cocka mainy but trust me, it works.
> 
> For those with a full sized keyboard, you can do the same thing with vo+home 
> and vo+end.  Just be sure that before you hit either a those that you first 
> are interacting with the table.  Otherwise you'll jump to the bottom of the 
> screen, or the top, respectedly.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Chris" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Go to end of document
> 
> 
>> I thought the end of a document was command-down arrow. At least it works in 
>> Text Edit and any edit text fields, but it is broken in some tables, such as 
>> the message table in Mail.
>> 
>> 
>> Christopher Hallsworth
>> 
>> On 02/10/2012 23:56, Agent086b wrote:
>>> Hello, thanks to the help I received earlier I am getting numbers to work 
>>> now.
>>> Is there a way to go to the end of a document in Numbers and Text Edit? I 
>>> am using the Apple wireless keyboard so don't have a page down key that I 
>>> know of.
>>> Thanks again.
>>> Max.
>>> 
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Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in programs together

[Timothy Clark Music]

any time you see me online. 
God Bless. 
 Timothy. 
 Your friend in the music industry  
 http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com 
 7244011224

On Oct 2, 2012, at 9:28 PM, keith weatherly wrote:

> when's a good time to get up with you?
> - Original Message -
> From: Timothy Clark Music
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 2:13 PM
> Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
> programs together
> 
> i personally hate that program. 
>  use the sound driver called sound flower. it's smaller and works better. 
>  use the program linen to monitor everything. 
>  if anyone needs help with it add me on Skype so as i can walk youthrough 
> it 
>  my Skype id is djtimothy1
> God Bless. 
>  Timothy. 
>  Your friend in the music industry  
>  http://www.timothyclarkmusic.tumblr.com 
>  7244011224
> 
> On Oct 2, 2012, at 1:07 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I would just use audio hijack pro and record all system audio.  I think that 
>> would be way easier and efficient.
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 2, 2012, at 12:18 PM, "keith weatherly"  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I want to link those programs together for recording perposes. for 
>>> podcasting as well as music recording. I would also like to moniter myself 
>>> while doing all of this. you know be able to hear everything that is going 
>>> on as well as myself if i speak into the mic. I want to be able to speak 
>>> and be able to play music in thebackground,record skype calls and 
>>> . I hope i wasn't too comfusion. Sorry it to me so long to respond but 
>>> my email for some unknown reason would not go out. I was able to recieve 
>>> all my mail but i just couldn't send any out. Today it decides to let me. 
>>> lol Anyway thanks in advance for any help. I do have a macbook,usb headset 
>>> as well as a audio enterface with studeo mics with those programs i listed 
>>> before.  
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: Gavin Grundlingh
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2012 6:21 PM
>>> Subject: Re: connecting garageband sound flower logic and the line in 
>>> programs together
>>> 
>>> Hi Keith,
>>> 
>>> What is it you want the 4 programs to do together? I could give you 
>>> step-by-step instructions, but to do that I'd have to know your particular 
>>> setup so I can say exactly what to do where.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Gavin Grundlingh
>>> Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191
>>> Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466
>>> Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792
>>> Email: g.batw...@gmail.com
>>> Secondary Email: customtra...@live.co.za
>>> Skype: Batworx
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/batworx
>>> Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx
>>> 
>>> On 29 Sep 2012, at 10:02 PM, keith weatherly  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
 my subject says what i'm trying to do could someone kindly walk me through 
 this p proccess? r
 
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Editing Repeating Events in Calendar

[Nicholas Parsons]

HI all,

When editing a repeat event in Calendar a dialogue is displayed asking whether 
you wish to change all future events or only the current event. However, 
VoiceOver does not automatically focus on this dialogue. Moreover, it is 
impossible to keep editing or even stop editing the event once this dialogue is 
displayed.

the only way I have been able to get around this so far is by turning my 
trackpad commander off, then using it to move the mouse pointer while pressing 
VO F5 to hear what's under the mouse. When I hear the dialogue message under 
the mouse I use VO SHIFT F5 to move the VO curser to the mouse pointer which is 
on the dialogue, then I can use normal VO navigation to choose whether to 
change only the current or all future events.

This method works, but it can be time consuming and  a little hit and miss. 
Sometimes I find the dialogue straight away, other times I can be moving the 
mouse pointer around for a really long time before I hit the jackpot.

Does anyone have a better method of getting VO to this dialogue?

Many thanks in advance.

Nic

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typing at fast speeds with the Alex voice ...

[Jeff Bishop]

Hello,

I have noticed that typing very quickly on my Mac using Alex that it is not
very responsive (not keeping up as I type). Now, I do have keyboard speech
set to echo characters. Switching to Samantha seems to be a bit better but I
was just curious what others impressions are as far as a good voice that is
very responsive (even if purchased)?

Jeff


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Re: typing at fast speeds with the Alex voice ...

[Timothy Clark Music]

never paid much attention to it as it seems to work fine here on my mac. what's 
your ram and such? 
God Bless. 
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On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:58 AM, Jeff Bishop wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I have noticed that typing very quickly on my Mac using Alex that it is not
> very responsive (not keeping up as I type). Now, I do have keyboard speech
> set to echo characters. Switching to Samantha seems to be a bit better but I
> was just curious what others impressions are as far as a good voice that is
> very responsive (even if purchased)?
> 
> Jeff
> 
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Re: system dialog but not there

[Teresa Cochran]

Hi Ray,

You might try a VO click on it. It may have gone out of focus because of a 
blank screen or screen-saver. Try VO-shift-space wherever you happen to be and 
see if it comes back.

HtH,
Teresa

On Oct 2, 2012, at 8:01 PM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Okay.
> 
> Want a weird problem?  Here goes.  While running Skype, and after a while of 
> just sitting there, I will suddenly hear a Skype alert telling me a contact 
> has gone on or off line; and then, I hear "system dialog".  But, when I go to 
> check using VO+F2, nothing but that one window open.  Any clues?
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!!
> 
> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!!
> 
> Skype name:
> barefootedray
> 
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