Re: Disk Partition
Meant to write pressed command f5 with FM key. On Oct 28, 2012, at 11:52 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: You wrote: pressed FM command 5... There's your problem. It's not command 5. It's command F! 5. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:38 PM Subject: Disk Partition Hello Chris. I did try what you said but nothing happened. Switched the Mac off, turned it on, and pressed Command R and let go after 30 seconds. Waited almost 5 minutes, pressed FM command 5, no voice over. Kawal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Recovery partition.
You don't need to hold command + r down for 30 seconds. Wait until the sound, press command + r for 3 secs and let go. Then, after 2 minutes or so press command f5. I am doing it as I type on another mac running ml and it works. Nektarios. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:25 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com wrote: OK I'll try and let you know. On 28 Oct 2012, at 23:23, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: I'll bet your in it. Try actually doing fn+Command F5 and see if VO starts. Chris. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Kawal Gucukoglu kawa...@me.com To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 7:18 PM Subject: Recovery partition. Hello. In the past when running Lion you use to be able to start your mac, here the chime and press command R and then some time had elapse after letting go after 30 seconds, you could press command f5 and voice over would start. I have tried this in Mountain Lion and when I press command f5 voice over is not starting as I wanted to see if my disk repair permission was OK as I had to force shut down my Mac some time ago. Can some one tell me what I'm doing wrong as I can't seem to get into the disk recovery partition. Thanks in advance. Kawal. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Using carbon copy cloner for backup, help.
Hello guys. Well, I haven't done this before and I am a little nervous doing it. So I have 2 macs here. An Imac with 1 TB hard drive and a macbook pro with 320 GB of space. I want to back them up both. Is it ok if I purchase an external 2 TB hard disk, create 2 volumes there, one for each mac, and then use those volumes to do this? Should each volume be the same size with the hard drive? What can I do with the extra space? Any help is very much appreciated. Nektarios. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mastering the mac
Just to be clear, vo-shift-home (vo-shift-fn-left on mac keyboards with no home/end) takes you to the top of whatever vo is interacting with. If you interact with a text field in a form, it will take you to the top of the form. If you have only interacted with the html content, it will take you to the top of the page. If you have not interacted with the html, or if vo stops interacting such as when a new page loads, it will take you to the top of the Safari window, to the close button. This command works everywhere, not just in Safari, but you have to be sure you're interacting with the item whose top you want to go to or you will be going to the top of the window a lot. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just want to address 2 issues that have a solution ooh might have missed. To go to top of page I find vo shift home works well. Second, after finishing editing a form in many it not most cases ooh don't need to find the go or the submit button. Just pressing enter will do it. Vest, Ioana Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Clifton I agree with you about Safari and that it is the most difficult thing to master. I've had my mac for less time than you but I just don't get a sense of the web page like I do in windows. Getting to the top of a page can be difficult sometimes, and even scrolling with the track pad doesn't seem to move the cursor for me sometimes. I seem to have to uninteract and interact again when refreshing pages, and sometimes Safari throws you out of a webpage altogether and you're in the tool bar without knowing how you got there. That said, I find edit fields not too bad. I have my tab key set to automatically interact when I use it. This way, I can tab through a form and fill it in without interacting each time because the tab key does it for me. At the end of the form I have to carefully uninteract and arrow around to find the go button or whatever. But it does work. And while tables are annoying, I seem to find it easier to navigate them in Safari to quickly skip to the right column where a relevant field is that I want. In JAWS, I don't always know Im in a table so don't think to do this. I like the item chooser because it doesn't just do links but anything. In JAWS you have to bring up separate lists for buttons, links, etc, and sometimes you don't know whether something is a button or a link. Just my two cents worth. Good luck persevering with Safari. Lisette On 29/10/2012, at 2:15 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course to download torrents. But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me get over this safari hump? I think my biggest gripe is trying to set up first letter navigation, and trying to inter text in to edit fields. Other than that, I think I got it. But all suggestions are welcome please! Kliphton Senior (TwitterSkype) kliphton72 (iMessage, facetimeEmail) kliph...@gmail.com (Life Journal) Kliphton.wordpress.com (Sharrie’s ScratchPad) missie844.wordpress.com http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex
syncing with Icloud
Hi everyone, I hope you are having a wonderful day. Thank you for all the responses to my FTP query last week. I really appreciate it. I'm having trouble figuring out how to sync my music library with Icloud. At one time, I knew how to do this, but I have since forgotten. Can anyone help? Itunes Match is on, and I have all the preferences selected to be able to sync music with Icloud. I have an Ipone four and Ios6. If this is not appropriate for this list, please direct me to the appropriate one. Thank you in advance. Sincerely, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mastering the mac
hi, why don't you try group browsing mode on this particular site and see how you like it? For myself, i hate browsing on windows because the most popular windows product here leaves a lot of blank space in it's representation of web pages and i haven't been able to turn that off. I'm also not really pleased with the concept of auto forms mode on either of the two products i teach which currently employ it. I'm also a detractor of the ridiculous number of bloatware toolbars and browser add ons that get foisted on you with windows software. Even if you are diligent they sometimes creep in. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-10-28, at 10:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious: why do you think windows is clunky compared to the mac? I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to understand and see if there's some fundamental thing I'm missing. For instance, when I go to the audiogames.net forums, I have to vo-right a bunch of times through users' information, On Windows I have to arrow less, since some of that information is on one line. However, because it is mostly links, the mac has to separate it all out, regardless of visual layout. The best browsing experience I have ever had is NVDA on Firefox with the option to use page layout enabled. In this meant that links and other controls in text were read along with the text, speeding up my browsing, particularly in articles with much of their text linking to other websites. It also helped when links were laid out horizontally, such as a bar of options above a chunk of text. You could still tab to a link, but if you wanted to skip all the links it was the matter of a single keypress. On the mac you must press an arrow for every link, plus one for any static text between the links such as a vertical bar or comma. On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: For the record, I'll say a total 1 80, I think browsing on Windows is the most clunky, worst experience I've ever seen. I'll do it if that happens to be the computer I'm working currently on at the time, but I'd rather not if I could help it. I love y Safari, oh, and let's not forget Google Chrome! Chris. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Re: mastering the mac It's not you, I think the web browsing experience is smoother on windows because screen readers use a flat representation, so they can do things like read text like a document, not stop at links in text, and so on. I prefer web browsing on windows, just not enough to sacrifice everything else the mac does better. I also like the iCloud tabs feature and really easy downloads interface, just not the actual web browsing experience. As to first letter navigation, just go to the vo utility, the commanders category, the quicknav tab, and check the relevant box. Once in a great while it will still fail, but you can use vo-cmd with many keys to move around if that happens. Vo-cmd-h, for instance, moves to the next heading. For edit fields, I find they behave oddly with quicknav on. If that happens, I just turn it off, type my text, and turn it on if I need it. Between the vo-cmd keystrokes and the web rotor (vo-u), though, I don't use quicknav much at all anymore. On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course to download torrents. But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me get over this safari hump? I
Re: mastering the mac
Hi Alex, If you use the shift key, wouldn't that select text with the commands you referenced? I tried VO-Shift Home and VO-Home, and I couldn't tell a difference in where I landed on the web page I tested. Les On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be clear, vo-shift-home (vo-shift-fn-left on mac keyboards with no home/end) takes you to the top of whatever vo is interacting with. If you interact with a text field in a form, it will take you to the top of the form. If you have only interacted with the html content, it will take you to the top of the page. If you have not interacted with the html, or if vo stops interacting such as when a new page loads, it will take you to the top of the Safari window, to the close button. This command works everywhere, not just in Safari, but you have to be sure you're interacting with the item whose top you want to go to or you will be going to the top of the window a lot. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just want to address 2 issues that have a solution ooh might have missed. To go to top of page I find vo shift home works well. Second, after finishing editing a form in many it not most cases ooh don't need to find the go or the submit button. Just pressing enter will do it. Vest, Ioana Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Clifton I agree with you about Safari and that it is the most difficult thing to master. I've had my mac for less time than you but I just don't get a sense of the web page like I do in windows. Getting to the top of a page can be difficult sometimes, and even scrolling with the track pad doesn't seem to move the cursor for me sometimes. I seem to have to uninteract and interact again when refreshing pages, and sometimes Safari throws you out of a webpage altogether and you're in the tool bar without knowing how you got there. That said, I find edit fields not too bad. I have my tab key set to automatically interact when I use it. This way, I can tab through a form and fill it in without interacting each time because the tab key does it for me. At the end of the form I have to carefully uninteract and arrow around to find the go button or whatever. But it does work. And while tables are annoying, I seem to find it easier to navigate them in Safari to quickly skip to the right column where a relevant field is that I want. In JAWS, I don't always know Im in a table so don't think to do this. I like the item chooser because it doesn't just do links but anything. In JAWS you have to bring up separate lists for buttons, links, etc, and sometimes you don't know whether something is a button or a link. Just my two cents worth. Good luck persevering with Safari. Lisette On 29/10/2012, at 2:15 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course to download torrents. But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me get over this safari hump? I think my biggest gripe is trying to set up first letter navigation, and trying to inter text in to edit fields. Other than that, I think I got it. But all suggestions are welcome please! Kliphton Senior (TwitterSkype) kliphton72 (iMessage, facetimeEmail) kliph...@gmail.com (Life Journal) Kliphton.wordpress.com (Sharrie’s ScratchPad) missie844.wordpress.com http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries
Re: mastering the mac
No, shift only selects when used with OSX commands in a webpage. VO hijacks the rpocess in html content areas to let you select text, but again only with standard commands. As the command for top of edit field is cmd-up, vo-shift-home will select nothing. After all, vo-shift-left/right move by character in any text with which vo is interacting, but you can't select that way either. On Oct 29, 2012, at 8:55 AM, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, If you use the shift key, wouldn't that select text with the commands you referenced? I tried VO-Shift Home and VO-Home, and I couldn't tell a difference in where I landed on the web page I tested. Les On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:15 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Just to be clear, vo-shift-home (vo-shift-fn-left on mac keyboards with no home/end) takes you to the top of whatever vo is interacting with. If you interact with a text field in a form, it will take you to the top of the form. If you have only interacted with the html content, it will take you to the top of the page. If you have not interacted with the html, or if vo stops interacting such as when a new page loads, it will take you to the top of the Safari window, to the close button. This command works everywhere, not just in Safari, but you have to be sure you're interacting with the item whose top you want to go to or you will be going to the top of the window a lot. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:46 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just want to address 2 issues that have a solution ooh might have missed. To go to top of page I find vo shift home works well. Second, after finishing editing a form in many it not most cases ooh don't need to find the go or the submit button. Just pressing enter will do it. Vest, Ioana Sent from my iPhone On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:49 PM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Clifton I agree with you about Safari and that it is the most difficult thing to master. I've had my mac for less time than you but I just don't get a sense of the web page like I do in windows. Getting to the top of a page can be difficult sometimes, and even scrolling with the track pad doesn't seem to move the cursor for me sometimes. I seem to have to uninteract and interact again when refreshing pages, and sometimes Safari throws you out of a webpage altogether and you're in the tool bar without knowing how you got there. That said, I find edit fields not too bad. I have my tab key set to automatically interact when I use it. This way, I can tab through a form and fill it in without interacting each time because the tab key does it for me. At the end of the form I have to carefully uninteract and arrow around to find the go button or whatever. But it does work. And while tables are annoying, I seem to find it easier to navigate them in Safari to quickly skip to the right column where a relevant field is that I want. In JAWS, I don't always know Im in a table so don't think to do this. I like the item chooser because it doesn't just do links but anything. In JAWS you have to bring up separate lists for buttons, links, etc, and sometimes you don't know whether something is a button or a link. Just my two cents worth. Good luck persevering with Safari. Lisette On 29/10/2012, at 2:15 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use windows to manage my business, but that's all I use it for, and of course to download torrents. But does anyone have any hints or tips to help me get over this safari hump? I think my biggest gripe is trying to set up first letter navigation, and trying to inter text in to edit fields. Other than that, I think I got it. But all suggestions are welcome please! Kliphton Senior (TwitterSkype) kliphton72 (iMessage, facetimeEmail) kliph...@gmail.com (Life Journal) Kliphton.wordpress.com (Sharrie’s ScratchPad) missie844.wordpress.com http://facebook.com/kliphandsharrie -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
RE: mastering the mac
Auto forms mode can be turned off in all screen readers as far as I know. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mastering the mac hi, why don't you try group browsing mode on this particular site and see how you like it? For myself, i hate browsing on windows because the most popular windows product here leaves a lot of blank space in it's representation of web pages and i haven't been able to turn that off. I'm also not really pleased with the concept of auto forms mode on either of the two products i teach which currently employ it. I'm also a detractor of the ridiculous number of bloatware toolbars and browser add ons that get foisted on you with windows software. Even if you are diligent they sometimes creep in. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-10-28, at 10:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious: why do you think windows is clunky compared to the mac? I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to understand and see if there's some fundamental thing I'm missing. For instance, when I go to the audiogames.net forums, I have to vo-right a bunch of times through users' information, On Windows I have to arrow less, since some of that information is on one line. However, because it is mostly links, the mac has to separate it all out, regardless of visual layout. The best browsing experience I have ever had is NVDA on Firefox with the option to use page layout enabled. In this meant that links and other controls in text were read along with the text, speeding up my browsing, particularly in articles with much of their text linking to other websites. It also helped when links were laid out horizontally, such as a bar of options above a chunk of text. You could still tab to a link, but if you wanted to skip all the links it was the matter of a single keypress. On the mac you must press an arrow for every link, plus one for any static text between the links such as a vertical bar or comma. On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: For the record, I'll say a total 1 80, I think browsing on Windows is the most clunky, worst experience I've ever seen. I'll do it if that happens to be the computer I'm working currently on at the time, but I'd rather not if I could help it. I love y Safari, oh, and let's not forget Google Chrome! Chris. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Re: mastering the mac It's not you, I think the web browsing experience is smoother on windows because screen readers use a flat representation, so they can do things like read text like a document, not stop at links in text, and so on. I prefer web browsing on windows, just not enough to sacrifice everything else the mac does better. I also like the iCloud tabs feature and really easy downloads interface, just not the actual web browsing experience. As to first letter navigation, just go to the vo utility, the commanders category, the quicknav tab, and check the relevant box. Once in a great while it will still fail, but you can use vo-cmd with many keys to move around if that happens. Vo-cmd-h, for instance, moves to the next heading. For edit fields, I find they behave oddly with quicknav on. If that happens, I just turn it off, type my text, and turn it on if I need it. Between the vo-cmd keystrokes and the web rotor (vo-u), though, I don't use quicknav much at all anymore. On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with tables, rename documents, open and close folders and apps, and even a few advanced things. My biggest challenge has been safari. I use the item chooser, and have the things in the rotor that I like to navigate by. But I still find it a little clunky compared to IE. I still have to use
Re: mastering the mac
Hello Les, VO-Shift-Home is Go to first item and VO-Home is Go to first visible item. If your page is small and all visible on the screen, the effect will be the same for them both. As for using the Shift key, remember that it doesn't select anything when the VO keys are also being used. You can check what any command does by using the Keyboard Help (VO-k). Just enter this mode and press the command, VoiceOver will tell you what it does. Cheers, Anne On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:55, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, If you use the shift key, wouldn't that select text with the commands you referenced? I tried VO-Shift Home and VO-Home, and I couldn't tell a difference in where I landed on the web page I tested. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mastering the mac
Hi Anna and Alex, That makes perfect sense. You know, I've selected text before, but it never dawned on me that the VO keys would have no impact that selecting text. Thanks for the clarification. Have a good day. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:24 AM, Anne Robertson a...@anarchie.org.uk wrote: Hello Les, VO-Shift-Home is Go to first item and VO-Home is Go to first visible item. If your page is small and all visible on the screen, the effect will be the same for them both. As for using the Shift key, remember that it doesn't select anything when the VO keys are also being used. You can check what any command does by using the Keyboard Help (VO-k). Just enter this mode and press the command, VoiceOver will tell you what it does. Cheers, Anne On 29 Oct 2012, at 13:55, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, If you use the shift key, wouldn't that select text with the commands you referenced? I tried VO-Shift Home and VO-Home, and I couldn't tell a difference in where I landed on the web page I tested. Les -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Backup solutions
The hard drive om my imac is starting to make funcky mechanical sounds. WHAT are the backup and recovery solutions one has if the drive fails and requires replacement? What in the way of a usb drive would people suggest in terms of size and other factors? Thanks. XB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using carbon copy cloner for backup, help.
Hi Nektarios, It's just fine to have a hard disk with 2 tb of storage, and then devide that into 2 or more partitions, or volumes. Of course, as you mentioned, if you have a 320 gb drive to back up to 1 of those volumes, then that volume's size need not be bigger than This 320 gb. This leaves you with some extra space, that you could turn into a 3rd partition if you want that. Partitions won't shrink or grow dynamically nor automatically though, so having a partition on your external backup drive, of which the size is equal to the volume being backed up to that, is a good idea. Hth, Paul. On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Nektarios Mallas nmal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys. Well, I haven't done this before and I am a little nervous doing it. So I have 2 macs here. An Imac with 1 TB hard drive and a macbook pro with 320 GB of space. I want to back them up both. Is it ok if I purchase an external 2 TB hard disk, create 2 volumes there, one for each mac, and then use those volumes to do this? Should each volume be the same size with the hard drive? What can I do with the extra space? Any help is very much appreciated. Nektarios. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Backup solutions
Can always try Super Duper shirt-pocket.com I have Super Duper nad it's been a life saver. On 10/29/12, - dandun...@gmail.com wrote: The hard drive om my imac is starting to make funcky mechanical sounds. WHAT are the backup and recovery solutions one has if the drive fails and requires replacement? What in the way of a usb drive would people suggest in terms of size and other factors? Thanks. XB -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: mastering the mac
Yes it can, but do I have the right to go in and turn it off arbertrarily for all of my clients so that I can teach the way I want? Although many of them might appreciate it in the long run, u really feel that's not my call. Best, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Auto forms mode can be turned off in all screen readers as far as I know. From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of erik burggraaf Sent: Monday, October 29, 2012 6:50 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: mastering the mac hi, why don't you try group browsing mode on this particular site and see how you like it? For myself, i hate browsing on windows because the most popular windows product here leaves a lot of blank space in it's representation of web pages and i haven't been able to turn that off. I'm also not really pleased with the concept of auto forms mode on either of the two products i teach which currently employ it. I'm also a detractor of the ridiculous number of bloatware toolbars and browser add ons that get foisted on you with windows software. Even if you are diligent they sometimes creep in. Best, Erik Burggraaf Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards. Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194 or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com On 2012-10-28, at 10:14 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious: why do you think windows is clunky compared to the mac? I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to understand and see if there's some fundamental thing I'm missing. For instance, when I go to the audiogames.net forums, I have to vo-right a bunch of times through users' information, On Windows I have to arrow less, since some of that information is on one line. However, because it is mostly links, the mac has to separate it all out, regardless of visual layout. The best browsing experience I have ever had is NVDA on Firefox with the option to use page layout enabled. In this meant that links and other controls in text were read along with the text, speeding up my browsing, particularly in articles with much of their text linking to other websites. It also helped when links were laid out horizontally, such as a bar of options above a chunk of text. You could still tab to a link, but if you wanted to skip all the links it was the matter of a single keypress. On the mac you must press an arrow for every link, plus one for any static text between the links such as a vertical bar or comma. On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: For the record, I'll say a total 1 80, I think browsing on Windows is the most clunky, worst experience I've ever seen. I'll do it if that happens to be the computer I'm working currently on at the time, but I'd rather not if I could help it. I love y Safari, oh, and let's not forget Google Chrome! Chris. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 9:41 PM Subject: Re: mastering the mac It's not you, I think the web browsing experience is smoother on windows because screen readers use a flat representation, so they can do things like read text like a document, not stop at links in text, and so on. I prefer web browsing on windows, just not enough to sacrifice everything else the mac does better. I also like the iCloud tabs feature and really easy downloads interface, just not the actual web browsing experience. As to first letter navigation, just go to the vo utility, the commanders category, the quicknav tab, and check the relevant box. Once in a great while it will still fail, but you can use vo-cmd with many keys to move around if that happens. Vo-cmd-h, for instance, moves to the next heading. For edit fields, I find they behave oddly with quicknav on. If that happens, I just turn it off, type my text, and turn it on if I need it. Between the vo-cmd keystrokes and the web rotor (vo-u), though, I don't use quicknav much at all anymore. On Oct 28, 2012, at 9:15 PM, Kliphton kliph...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I bought my first mac june 2011, it was actually a fathers day present. I went cold turkey for over a month, trying to learn my way around the OS, and how it worked. Over 18 months later, I'd say I am pretty good, and can even help others. I know how to inter act with tables, rename
braille on osx and dots 7 and 8
Hello, About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases. e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places. I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific reason: - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display, - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always present. - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text. - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display… I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as described above. So, my questions to you all: are there any ways to have the advantages like described above? If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple on a efficient way? If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 234596995 Kind regards , William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: braille on osx and dots 7 and 8
Hi, I believe the best policy here would be to explain to accessibility through both mail and phone. We've been lucky with apple that they do listen, and even if it takes some time, improvements can be accomplished. I think that if braille display users came to them with a list of behaviours they'd like modified and why it may happen. On 2012-10-29, at 10:06 AM, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases. e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places. I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific reason: - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display, - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always present. - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text. - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display… I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as described above. So, my questions to you all: are there any ways to have the advantages like described above? If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple on a efficient way? If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 234596995 Kind regards , William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: braille on osx and dots 7 and 8
Hello William. Braille on the Mac isn't like what it is in windows using jaws. I know this has been brought to the attention of Apple Accessibility so if you write to them again explaining what you need, then possibly it'll be looked at. But, I wish we had braille as you describe as I have written to them already. Kawal. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:06 PM, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases. e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places. I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific reason: - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display, - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always present. - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text. - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display… I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as described above. So, my questions to you all: are there any ways to have the advantages like described above? If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple on a efficient way? If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 234596995 Kind regards , William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: grouping web items (was mastering the mac)
Where do you go to turn on grouping? On Oct 28, 2012, at 11:38 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: All it does is groups certain things together so you more quickly can jump over them. Plus, it will thus cluster more things into one item, thus making it easy to read in bigger chunks. Basically, then within a group of things, if you want to then click a link within a group, or get to a form within a group etc. then you interact with that group within the ntml content. HTH. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:52 PM Subject: grouping web items (was mastering the mac) Vo-u is a handy feature. I guess my main sticking point is the lack of a flat representation, so that absolutely every element has to be separated and read individually, with accompanying pauses in speech even with sounds muted. I tried grouping once, but it was much more awkward on forums than dom order so I turned it off. Perhaps I don't really understand how it works? Could you explain that further? On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:46 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: It might just be an opinion thing, but between the rotor, quick navigation by headings, tables, etc. Plus the fact I turned on Group navigation instead of dom order, then the item chooser, plus vo+F, vo+G, and Vo+Shift G, I find it is extremely pleasant of an experience. Again, it's just my opinion, I never said you had to agree with it. LOL! Chris. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2012 10:14 PM Subject: Re: mastering the mac I'm curious: why do you think windows is clunky compared to the mac? I'm not trying to start anything, I just want to understand and see if there's some fundamental thing I'm missing. For instance, when I go to the audiogames.net forums, I have to vo-right a bunch of times through users' information, On Windows I have to arrow less, since some of that information is on one line. However, because it is mostly links, the mac has to separate it all out, regardless of visual layout. The best browsing experience I have ever had is NVDA on Firefox with the option to use page layout enabled. In this meant that links and other controls in text were read along with the text, speeding up my browsing, particularly in articles with much of their text linking to other websites. It also helped when links were laid out horizontally, such as a bar of options above a chunk of text. You could still tab to a link, but if you wanted to skip all the links it was the matter of a single keypress. On the mac you must press an arrow for every link, plus one for any static text between the links such as a vertical bar or comma. On Oct 28, 2012, at 10:04 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: For the record, I'll say a total 1 80, I think browsing on Windows is the most clunky, worst experience I've ever seen. I'll do it if that happens to be the computer I'm working currently on at the time, but I'd rather not if I could help it. I love y Safari, oh, and let's not forget Google Chrome! Chris. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. Founder of CLG Productions Blog: http://www.clgproductions.org Podcast: http://clgproductions.podhoster.com E-mail: ch...@clgproductions.com IMessage/Facetime: theblindmusic...@att.net Windows Live Messenger: ch...@blindperspectives.net Twitter: @chris28210 Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/christopher.gilland Skype: twinklesfriend2007 Send me a fax from any standard fax machine: 704-697-2069 Google Voice: (Please use sparingly): 980-272-8570 - Original Message - From: Alex Hall To:
Re: grouping web items (was mastering the mac)
Hello Stacy, In VoiceOver Utility, in the Web category, you can select Group or DOM navigation. You can also set a shortcut for one of the commanders to toggle between these two modes. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't have Apple Care, nor do I have the funds to replace my machine. It is a 2011 Mini with 2gb ram. It runs as cool as it always has, and it's on the back of my desk where it has reasonably good airflow around it. Also, my room is normally cold enough that I sometimes have trouble typing, so I am nearly certain that overheating is not a problem. So, any suggestions or ideas anyone has would be wonderful. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: braille on osx and dots 7 and 8
He Alex, thx for the suggestion, you are right! But, When you do this, you can't see e.g. when a letter has capital and also signs that needs 8 dots, aren't displayed correctly. anyway, thx! William Op 29-okt.-2012, om 15:44 heeft Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Do you have the use dots 7 and 8 to display cursor checked? If so, this will cause whatever vo is focused on to be underlined by dots 7 and 8. Turning this off will not actually get rid of the blinking cursor, it will just eliminate the annoying highlight problem. This option is in the layout tab of the braille category in the vo utility. On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:32 AM, Kaare Dehard kaare.deh...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I believe the best policy here would be to explain to accessibility through both mail and phone. We've been lucky with apple that they do listen, and even if it takes some time, improvements can be accomplished. I think that if braille display users came to them with a list of behaviours they'd like modified and why it may happen. On 2012-10-29, at 10:06 AM, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases. e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places. I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific reason: - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display, - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always present. - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text. - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display… I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as described above. So, my questions to you all: are there any ways to have the advantages like described above? If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple on a efficient way? If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 234596995 Kind regards , William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't have Apple Care, nor do I have the funds to replace my machine. It is a 2011 Mini with 2gb ram. It runs as cool as it always has, and it's on the back of my desk where it has reasonably good airflow around it. Also, my room is normally cold enough that I sometimes have trouble typing, so I am nearly certain that overheating is not a problem. So, any suggestions or ideas anyone has would be wonderful. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: braille on osx and dots 7 and 8
Hi, I think this is different by design. I agree with you. It needs to be rethough to improve the functionality. The theory though is that whatever is in the voiceover cursor is highlighted. You can use this feature to copy large blocks of tedt, track the blindness perspective around the screen and more. It's very useful in a practical sense. It's just that the feature of having the contents of the voiceover cursor highlighted nagates using the braille display to write some codes or view some real features of the screen. So what's needed is a braille cursor independent of the voiceover cursor which can track either the mouse, active, or vo cursors as desired. Then the contents ocf the vo cursor could be highlighted, while the contents of the braille cursor could render what's on the screen. Best, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases. e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places. I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific reason: - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display, - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always present. - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text. - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display… I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as described above. So, my questions to you all: are there any ways to have the advantages like described above? If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple on a efficient way? If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 234596995 Kind regards , William Windels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in touch on my handheld. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Modified keyboard
Hi guys, Does anyone know if there is any company selling a Mac wireless keyboard designed for low vision individuals? This would be either a keyboard with larger keys or an overlay of some kind for different contrasts? Thanks Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: grouping web items (was mastering the mac)
Thanks Ann, I'll give this a try. On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:46 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Stacy, In VoiceOver Utility, in the Web category, you can select Group or DOM navigation. You can also set a shortcut for one of the commanders to toggle between these two modes. Cheers, Anne -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't have Apple Care, nor do I have the funds to replace my machine. It is a 2011 Mini with 2gb ram. It runs as cool as it always has, and it's on the back of my desk where it has reasonably good airflow around it. Also, my room is normally cold enough that I sometimes have trouble typing, so I am nearly certain that overheating is not a problem. So, any suggestions or ideas anyone has would be wonderful. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't have Apple Care, nor do I have the funds to replace my machine. It is a 2011 Mini with 2gb ram. It runs as cool as it always has, and it's on the back of my desk where it has reasonably good airflow around it. Also, my room is normally cold enough that I sometimes have trouble typing, so I am nearly certain that overheating is not a problem. So, any suggestions or ideas anyone has would be wonderful. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
It was already unchecked, for what that's worth. I always had vague notions of returning power being too much for the machine, so I never wanted it to try powering up. I also was not sure if it would turn on, only to be cut off again in the case of fluctuating power. Ridiculous thoughts I know, but at least that box has never been checked. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't have Apple Care, nor do I have the funds to replace my machine. It is a 2011 Mini with 2gb ram. It runs as cool as it always has, and it's on the back of my desk where it has reasonably good airflow around it. Also, my room is normally cold enough that I sometimes have trouble typing, so I am nearly certain that overheating is not a problem. So, any suggestions or ideas anyone has would be wonderful. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because
Re: braille on osx and dots 7 and 8
What I have noticed is, that when you uncheck the box that says use dots 7 and 8 to indicate cursor, I have no indication in Braille as to where the cursor is at all. It's not enough to have every intelligent person in the country voting for me. I need a majority. Adlai Stevenson richr...@gmail.com On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Erik Burggraaf e...@erik-burggraaf.com wrote: Hi, I think this is different by design. I agree with you. It needs to be rethough to improve the functionality. The theory though is that whatever is in the voiceover cursor is highlighted. You can use this feature to copy large blocks of tedt, track the blindness perspective around the screen and more. It's very useful in a practical sense. It's just that the feature of having the contents of the voiceover cursor highlighted nagates using the braille display to write some codes or view some real features of the screen. So what's needed is a braille cursor independent of the voiceover cursor which can track either the mouse, active, or vo cursors as desired. Then the contents ocf the vo cursor could be highlighted, while the contents of the braille cursor could render what's on the screen. Best, William Windels william.wind...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, About braille and osx, I find it frustrating that voiceover is underlining the braille with dot's 7 and 8 in so many cases. e.g. in menu-items, in read-only text and perhaps in other places. I don't know how it exactly works but, when it's underlined without specific reason: - capital letters can't be showed on the braille display, - marked text can't be shown as marked text since dots 7 and 8 are always present. - Like in windows, with screenreader, you can define which lay-out should be underlined, e.g. bold, italic, … text. - you can't see the place of the cursor on the braille display… I know, you can check out dots 7 and 8 on the braille panel in voiceover utility but when you do this, you will not have any off the advantages as described above. So, my questions to you all: are there any ways to have the advantages like described above? If others have also the same frustrations as me, what can we do to push apple on a efficient way? If you want to post to accessibility about this , use the followup number 234596995 Kind regards , William Windels ERIK burggraafEbony ConsultingI am currently on the road and staying in touch on my handheld. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Using carbon copy cloner for backup, help.
Thank you very much. I will do just that. You see, Apple sent me an email telling me that my internal hard drive on my Imac may be defective and needs replacement. They will do it free of charge, they say. I can't see something wrong with it, but I will doit any way. Regards. Nektarios. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Nektarios, It's just fine to have a hard disk with 2 tb of storage, and then devide that into 2 or more partitions, or volumes. Of course, as you mentioned, if you have a 320 gb drive to back up to 1 of those volumes, then that volume's size need not be bigger than This 320 gb. This leaves you with some extra space, that you could turn into a 3rd partition if you want that. Partitions won't shrink or grow dynamically nor automatically though, so having a partition on your external backup drive, of which the size is equal to the volume being backed up to that, is a good idea. Hth, Paul. On Oct 29, 2012, at 10:22 AM, Nektarios Mallas nmal...@gmail.com wrote: Hello guys. Well, I haven't done this before and I am a little nervous doing it. So I have 2 macs here. An Imac with 1 TB hard drive and a macbook pro with 320 GB of space. I want to back them up both. Is it ok if I purchase an external 2 TB hard disk, create 2 volumes there, one for each mac, and then use those volumes to do this? Should each volume be the same size with the hard drive? What can I do with the extra space? Any help is very much appreciated. Nektarios. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Fwd: Mac and brailliant display
Hi, I am trying out a Brailliant BI 32 display and was told that if I just connected it to my Mac it would work. But are there any commands for it? Do I need to set the Mac up for it-is there a braille utility, like VO utility? I can read some of what is in my doc/on desktop but it only reads half or a bit of it, and I can't get it to pan so I can read everything. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Fwd: mail receipts
Hi all, In mac mail, is there a way of getting delivery and read receipts? Can't find the option anywhere in the cmd-M menus ... Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: grouping web items (was mastering the mac)
Hi Alex, If you search the mail archive for this list you'll find a number of comments on using group vs. DOM mode, with most people who use group mode stating that they prefer to do so because navigation is quicker, and that they'll switch to this mode when visiting familiar web sites. There do seem to be instances where group mode can miss elements that show up in DOM mode, which is why people who use this usually set up as a switchable capability, either under Keyboard Commander or NumPad Commander under the commanders menu of VoiceOver Utility. I have a keyboard commander definition added for Toggle Web navigation DOM or Group, which is found under the web group of menu options when you add a definition. As a quick concrete example, try visiting the Mail Archive site for this list at: http://www.mail-archive.com/macvisionaries%40googlegroups.com/ While I usually go to this page and immediately type terms into the text box, and then press return to search the list archives, I also read the list from this web page as an alternative to receiving mail when I'm traveling. The page shows a threaded list of topics, most recent listed first, with other posts in the thread grouped under the first. Let's assume you're using simple arrow navigation with QuickNav on. In DOM mode navigation you separately navigate the subject link for the post and the author. In group mode both these terms are announced together, requiring only one key press. Also, if I'm browsing and want to skip over threads, group mode navigation lets me navigate past a block of posts under the thread with a single key press, whereas DOM mode takes me through each item under the thread. Group mode navigation is a feature that can be used to improve efficiency of navigation, and you can explore your own web sites to determine whether it can be helpful. There are many ways to navigate, and you should choose the options that work best for you. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 28, 2012, at 18:48, Alex Hall wrote: I thought that's what it did. Well, if it's really as useful as you find it, I guess I'll give it another try. After all, it must be better than dom order to some users or it never would have stuck around. On Oct 29, 2012, at 12:38 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com wrote: All it does is groups certain things together so you more quickly can jump over them. Plus, it will thus cluster more things into one item, thus making it easy to read in bigger chunks. Basically, then within a group of things, if you want to then click a link within a group, or get to a form within a group etc. then you interact with that group within the ntml content. HTH. Thank you kindly, Christopher-Mark Gilland. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
I guess that's why they give it as an option. Each of us wish to handle things in different ways. I did some checking and noted a few other reasons for a problem such as yours. One has to do with Excel. If you are the only user of this Mac, I'm guessing that Excel is not likely the issue then as it is not accessible to VO users. The other issue is a RAM issue. In the case of RAM, you'd either have to replace the RAM to confirm the issue or take it into the Shop. If you have an external HD that you could use as a test OS, it would go far to determine if it is a hardware or software issue. With the external HD, install your OS on it and tell the Mini to startup from that HD under the Startup Disk pane of the System Preferences. Just install the OS and let it run for a while. Set it to not automatically log into any user so that if it restarts on its own, you'll know because the Mini will be at the login screen. I know that not everyone has things like that hanging around but for geeks like me, it makes the troubleshooting process more reliable. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:22 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: It was already unchecked, for what that's worth. I always had vague notions of returning power being too much for the machine, so I never wanted it to try powering up. I also was not sure if it would turn on, only to be cut off again in the case of fluctuating power. Ridiculous thoughts I know, but at least that box has never been checked. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't have Apple Care, nor do I have the funds to replace my machine. It is a 2011 Mini with 2gb ram. It runs as cool as it always has, and it's on the back of my desk where it has reasonably good airflow around it. Also, my room is normally cold enough that I sometimes have trouble typing, so I am nearly certain that overheating is not a problem. So, any suggestions or ideas anyone has would be wonderful. Thanks. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received
Re: windows 7 forum anywhere?
Hi Phil, Chris and Chris, That has been helpful. I just subscribed to the windows 7 forum. Paul. On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com wrote: Dear listers, I'm currently exploring windows 7 in a virtual machine on my mac, but I have a lot of questions. Can you point me to a forum for windows 7 users with a screen reader? That would be very helpful. Thanks in advance, Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Modified keyboard
Hi John, I did a quick web search, and found that Logic Keyboard gets good review for their low vision keyboard products. However, they appear to only make wired keyboards for the Mac. You can find those on sale at Amazon, for example, one of the product options for low vision with black letters on yellow keys: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006G16S9Y/ According to their web site they make a black on white skin that fits on MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Apple Wireless keyboards, the XLPrint LogicSkin White on Black Keyboard Cover: http://www.logickeyboard.com/shop/xlprint-logicskin-white-2655p.html You can buy this from Amazon for $24.95: http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Apple-LogicSkin-Transparent-Keyboard/dp/B005GY8J9O/ A Google search also shows that you can buy this from BH Photo for $27.50: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/759436-REG/Logic_Keyboard_LS_LPRNTWB_MBUC_US_Large_Print_White_on.html This is a long link that might wrap, so here's a shortened version: http://bitly.com/JAzket You might get a better answer from a low vision user, since I gather there can be a range of responses to the color contrast schemes that are offered. The skin is only offered in large print white on black. You can also try a site like Magnifying Aids: http://www.magnifyingaids.com/ But I didn't find any other products there, and the same keyboard skin was $39.95. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 29, 2012, at 07:50, John Panarese wrote: Hi guys, Does anyone know if there is any company selling a Mac wireless keyboard designed for low vision individuals? This would be either a keyboard with larger keys or an overlay of some kind for different contrasts? Thanks Take Care John D. Panarese -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
Well, if the power cord idea fails, I can try to do what you said with an external disk. I have a few lying around that should serve, and I've meant to put ML on a thumb drive for some time anyway. Still, the restarts can happen every few hours or once a day, so that'd be quite a while without my usual apps. It beats $40 or so in ram, though. Oh, and no, I'm the only user and have no Office products installed at all. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that's why they give it as an option. Each of us wish to handle things in different ways. I did some checking and noted a few other reasons for a problem such as yours. One has to do with Excel. If you are the only user of this Mac, I'm guessing that Excel is not likely the issue then as it is not accessible to VO users. The other issue is a RAM issue. In the case of RAM, you'd either have to replace the RAM to confirm the issue or take it into the Shop. If you have an external HD that you could use as a test OS, it would go far to determine if it is a hardware or software issue. With the external HD, install your OS on it and tell the Mini to startup from that HD under the Startup Disk pane of the System Preferences. Just install the OS and let it run for a while. Set it to not automatically log into any user so that if it restarts on its own, you'll know because the Mini will be at the login screen. I know that not everyone has things like that hanging around but for geeks like me, it makes the troubleshooting process more reliable. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:22 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: It was already unchecked, for what that's worth. I always had vague notions of returning power being too much for the machine, so I never wanted it to try powering up. I also was not sure if it would turn on, only to be cut off again in the case of fluctuating power. Ridiculous thoughts I know, but at least that box has never been checked. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as it re-launched them. I knew what it meant, and I was right: there was a brand new problem report sitting there, saying what the last few have: my mac had been restarted due to a problem. As always, I reported it with the problem report thing, but now what? As I said, I don't
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
Hi, When you install ML, it will install Safari, Mail and the usual suite of Apple apps. Will that do the trick or do you need some other specific apps installed? Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 2:21 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if the power cord idea fails, I can try to do what you said with an external disk. I have a few lying around that should serve, and I've meant to put ML on a thumb drive for some time anyway. Still, the restarts can happen every few hours or once a day, so that'd be quite a while without my usual apps. It beats $40 or so in ram, though. Oh, and no, I'm the only user and have no Office products installed at all. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that's why they give it as an option. Each of us wish to handle things in different ways. I did some checking and noted a few other reasons for a problem such as yours. One has to do with Excel. If you are the only user of this Mac, I'm guessing that Excel is not likely the issue then as it is not accessible to VO users. The other issue is a RAM issue. In the case of RAM, you'd either have to replace the RAM to confirm the issue or take it into the Shop. If you have an external HD that you could use as a test OS, it would go far to determine if it is a hardware or software issue. With the external HD, install your OS on it and tell the Mini to startup from that HD under the Startup Disk pane of the System Preferences. Just install the OS and let it run for a while. Set it to not automatically log into any user so that if it restarts on its own, you'll know because the Mini will be at the login screen. I know that not everyone has things like that hanging around but for geeks like me, it makes the troubleshooting process more reliable. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:22 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: It was already unchecked, for what that's worth. I always had vague notions of returning power being too much for the machine, so I never wanted it to try powering up. I also was not sure if it would turn on, only to be cut off again in the case of fluctuating power. Ridiculous thoughts I know, but at least that box has never been checked. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday. Once it booted back up, I ran Disk Utility and told it to repair permissions on my hard drive, and if fixed about 10 problems. I had no more restarts, and I was going to wait a day or two longer before tentatively declaring success... until I came upstairs, opened my bedroom door, and heard vo speaking a bunch of app names as
Re: playing music outside of iTunes on the Mac ...
Cheryl, How did you change your file types to play only with VLC? Thanks, Tim On 10/27/12, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: I use vlc. In fact, I've changed some of my defaults for file types to open in vlc so they only open in iTunes if i really want them to do so. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Oct 27, 2012, at 5:42 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: True, I'd forgotten that. Be warned, though, that Quickview chokes on ogg and other files that iTunes won't play, as both use the same decoding libraries behind the scenes. On Oct 27, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, if you just want to find a music file in finder, and listen to it, you can just press space bar to play it with quick view. Ricardo Walker rica...@appletothecore.info Twitter:@apple2thecore www.appletothecore.info On Oct 27, 2012, at 5:59 PM, Jeff Bishop j...@jeffbishop.com wrote: Hello, What are people using on their Mac's to play music if not wanting to use iTunes? Meaning, I don't want every song or audio I play to be added to iTunes. Any advice? Jeff -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
Well, I use iTunes (with my library) and YoruFukurou a lot. Still, that's why I have an iPod I suppose. Right now I'm crossing my fingers that the power cord trick will work. So far so good, but I'll give it a few days before I call it a success. On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When you install ML, it will install Safari, Mail and the usual suite of Apple apps. Will that do the trick or do you need some other specific apps installed? Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 2:21 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if the power cord idea fails, I can try to do what you said with an external disk. I have a few lying around that should serve, and I've meant to put ML on a thumb drive for some time anyway. Still, the restarts can happen every few hours or once a day, so that'd be quite a while without my usual apps. It beats $40 or so in ram, though. Oh, and no, I'm the only user and have no Office products installed at all. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that's why they give it as an option. Each of us wish to handle things in different ways. I did some checking and noted a few other reasons for a problem such as yours. One has to do with Excel. If you are the only user of this Mac, I'm guessing that Excel is not likely the issue then as it is not accessible to VO users. The other issue is a RAM issue. In the case of RAM, you'd either have to replace the RAM to confirm the issue or take it into the Shop. If you have an external HD that you could use as a test OS, it would go far to determine if it is a hardware or software issue. With the external HD, install your OS on it and tell the Mini to startup from that HD under the Startup Disk pane of the System Preferences. Just install the OS and let it run for a while. Set it to not automatically log into any user so that if it restarts on its own, you'll know because the Mini will be at the login screen. I know that not everyone has things like that hanging around but for geeks like me, it makes the troubleshooting process more reliable. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:22 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: It was already unchecked, for what that's worth. I always had vague notions of returning power being too much for the machine, so I never wanted it to try powering up. I also was not sure if it would turn on, only to be cut off again in the case of fluctuating power. Ridiculous thoughts I know, but at least that box has never been checked. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer run normally. If you come back to a frozen computer, then you likely have a software problem. If you come back to a computer that is off, then it is an issue with your power supply, cord or supply of electricity to the unit itself. Some are not good news but at least with these troubleshooting steps, you should be able to determine where the problem lies. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 10:51 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I did as was suggested and unplugged the mac for a few minutes yesterday.
Re: Google Drive
Hi, We use Google Apps for Education here thus Google Drive is an integral part. From a accessibility prospective, Google Drive in the iOS platform is the most accessible but entering large amounts of text is, at best, cumbersome on an iDevice unless you have a Bluetooth keyboard. On the Mac, if you use Chrome with ChromeVox, the Google Docs are much more user friendly than they are in Safari. I'm not that good with ChromeVox though so I do some tricks to go between Safari and Chrome when editing/sharing Docs within my Google Drive. When you install the Google Drive on your Mac, you can place files into your Google Drive space and access them from any device you have Google Drive installed on. HTH. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-28, at 9:08 PM, Timothy Hornik timothy.hor...@gmail.com wrote: Greetings Everyone, I am looking for information for an acquaintance of mine regarding Doogle Drive. Who uses it, and what are your thoughts and experiences with it. I only went as far as installing the Drive app onto my Mac Mini and various iOS devices, but not much further. I am looking for information on your experiences with regards to sharing docs, viewing them, editing them, maneuvering around the Drive website, previewing spreadsheets, and other types of info. I personally use dropbox and iCloud, so i never really had to look into this aspect of Google. I did find it refreshing to read that in the latest Google Drive release notes for the iOS, they specifically mentioned accessibility with iOS 6 and Voice Over. Thank you for your assistance, Timothy Hornik timothy.hor...@gmail.com M: 785.330.3503 LinkedIn Profile: http://tiny.cc/7bfa5 Blog: http://www.samobile.net/users/timothy.hornik/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Modified keyboard
Hi Esther, As usual, you are a fountain of information. Thank you very much for the search info. This will do the trick, I believe. I appreciate the time and effort. Take Care John D. Panarese Director Mac for the Blind Tel, (631) 724-4479 Email, j...@macfortheblind.com Website, http://www.macfortheblind.com Twitter, @macfortheblind APPLE CERTIFIED SUPPORT PROFESSIONAL FOR MAC OSX LION AUTHORIZED APPLE STORE BUSINESS AFFILIATE MAC and iOS VOICEOVER TRAINING AND SUPPORT On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:13 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi John, I did a quick web search, and found that Logic Keyboard gets good review for their low vision keyboard products. However, they appear to only make wired keyboards for the Mac. You can find those on sale at Amazon, for example, one of the product options for low vision with black letters on yellow keys: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B006G16S9Y/ According to their web site they make a black on white skin that fits on MacBook Pro, MacBook Air, and Apple Wireless keyboards, the XLPrint LogicSkin White on Black Keyboard Cover: http://www.logickeyboard.com/shop/xlprint-logicskin-white-2655p.html You can buy this from Amazon for $24.95: http://www.amazon.com/LogicKeyboard-Apple-LogicSkin-Transparent-Keyboard/dp/B005GY8J9O/ A Google search also shows that you can buy this from BH Photo for $27.50: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/759436-REG/Logic_Keyboard_LS_LPRNTWB_MBUC_US_Large_Print_White_on.html This is a long link that might wrap, so here's a shortened version: http://bitly.com/JAzket You might get a better answer from a low vision user, since I gather there can be a range of responses to the color contrast schemes that are offered. The skin is only offered in large print white on black. You can also try a site like Magnifying Aids: http://www.magnifyingaids.com/ But I didn't find any other products there, and the same keyboard skin was $39.95. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 29, 2012, at 07:50, John Panarese wrote: Hi guys, Does anyone know if there is any company selling a Mac wireless keyboard designed for low vision individuals? This would be either a keyboard with larger keys or an overlay of some kind for different contrasts? Thanks Take Care John D. Panarese -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: mac still randomly restarting, and I'm getting worried
Hi, Accessing your iTunes Library from the internal drive will not be a problem. You can tell iTunes on the new external HD that its Library is located on the internal HD and have full access to it maintaining exactly the same database and Playlists. I don't believe that iTunes has anything to do with this issue so that would not be anything that would cause you misinformation. See how the power cord works and I can assist later if necessary. Good luck. Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 2:58 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I use iTunes (with my library) and YoruFukurou a lot. Still, that's why I have an iPod I suppose. Right now I'm crossing my fingers that the power cord trick will work. So far so good, but I'll give it a few days before I call it a success. On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:49 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, When you install ML, it will install Safari, Mail and the usual suite of Apple apps. Will that do the trick or do you need some other specific apps installed? Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 2:21 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Well, if the power cord idea fails, I can try to do what you said with an external disk. I have a few lying around that should serve, and I've meant to put ML on a thumb drive for some time anyway. Still, the restarts can happen every few hours or once a day, so that'd be quite a while without my usual apps. It beats $40 or so in ram, though. Oh, and no, I'm the only user and have no Office products installed at all. On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: I guess that's why they give it as an option. Each of us wish to handle things in different ways. I did some checking and noted a few other reasons for a problem such as yours. One has to do with Excel. If you are the only user of this Mac, I'm guessing that Excel is not likely the issue then as it is not accessible to VO users. The other issue is a RAM issue. In the case of RAM, you'd either have to replace the RAM to confirm the issue or take it into the Shop. If you have an external HD that you could use as a test OS, it would go far to determine if it is a hardware or software issue. With the external HD, install your OS on it and tell the Mini to startup from that HD under the Startup Disk pane of the System Preferences. Just install the OS and let it run for a while. Set it to not automatically log into any user so that if it restarts on its own, you'll know because the Mini will be at the login screen. I know that not everyone has things like that hanging around but for geeks like me, it makes the troubleshooting process more reliable. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:22 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: It was already unchecked, for what that's worth. I always had vague notions of returning power being too much for the machine, so I never wanted it to try powering up. I also was not sure if it would turn on, only to be cut off again in the case of fluctuating power. Ridiculous thoughts I know, but at least that box has never been checked. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: It's in the same window. I'm running a Server though so the Energy Saver window may have a slightly different look. Uncheck that one for now. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 12:02 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I'll try the restart in a moment. I looked in energy saver, though, and saw only a box for restarting after a power failure. Is there a separate box for restarting after a freeze, or is it just in a different place? Thanks for your continued assistance. On Oct 29, 2012, at 1:28 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbur...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, You have a couple of scenarios to consider here: 1. Software issue with System Management Controller (SMC). Sometimes it gets confused and causes such behaviour. The errors you're reporting could simply be caused by apps being interrupted in mid-use therefore they will report that they were not Quit properly and may have various errors reported. Fix this by shutting down your computer, unplugging the power cord for 15 to 30 seconds, plugging it back in and waiting for at least 5 seconds then powering it back up. This is similar to what I asked you to do yesterday but I checked on Apple's site and this process has been slightly modified. 2. Hardware issue with your Mini's power supply. 3. Software problem with your installation. If you have your Mac set to restart automatically after the computer freezes or after a power failure, then this would usually indicate one or the other. First, I would uncheck both these items in the Energy Saver pane of your System Preferences. Then let your computer
memory question
Hi all. I have a question. With mac os, I have just installed 8 gb ram. When i boot up the computer, a fresh reboot, it will use already 2 gb of ram. Is this a normal thing? Thanks for any help. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: memory question
Well, I have just 2gb ram. With mail, safari, and a couple other apps running, my ram is full (if I'm reading things right). If I switch to an application I haven't used in a while, even if it's open, it takes a few seconds before that application is ready to use. I suspect this is the mac storing that app's information on the hard drive, then loading it back up when I focus on it, because I have too little ram to hold everything. So, long story short: I fill 2gb ram easily and wish I had more, so your using 2gb is not surprising. Just be very glad you have all that extra space left. On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:12 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all. I have a question. With mac os, I have just installed 8 gb ram. When i boot up the computer, a fresh reboot, it will use already 2 gb of ram. Is this a normal thing? Thanks for any help. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: memory question
Wondering??? How much memory off the bat does OS Mountain Lion use? On 10/29/2012 03:12 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote: Hi all. I have a question. With mac os, I have just installed 8 gb ram. When i boot up the computer, a fresh reboot, it will use already 2 gb of ram. Is this a normal thing? Thanks for any help. Chris -- Scott Berry E-mail: sb356...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: memory question
that's what i was saying. it used almost 2 before i launched anything with mountain lion. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering??? How much memory off the bat does OS Mountain Lion use? On 10/29/2012 03:12 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote: Hi all. I have a question. With mac os, I have just installed 8 gb ram. When i boot up the computer, a fresh reboot, it will use already 2 gb of ram. Is this a normal thing? Thanks for any help. Chris -- Scott Berry E-mail: sb356...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
samba broken in OS X Lion
hey guys, has anyone found a work around to connecting to windows shares from a OS X Lion client. I seriously need to be able to do this so that I can save documents to my user account at school. otherwise, its a pain in the a$$ to have to find the files, place them on a usb stick, unmount it, move it to the school windows machine and then copy it to my account drive. I have tried to find information on this via a google search. so far, none of the solutions are workable here (one app available is not voiceover usable at all and the other solutions are either unworkable or unsupported). anyone have any usable solutions that do not involve having to hack the system files? -eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mac and brailliant display
HI, After connecting the display go to VO utility with VO F8 and choose Braille in the utility category. GO to the Display tab and choose assign commands. Here you will see a table wit all assigned commands. Here you can also add your own. Here is the Braille help topic in the VO User guide. http://help.apple.com/voiceover/info/guide/10.8/English.lproj/_1202.html Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:48 PM, Kirsten Edmondson kirsten.edmond...@btinternet.com wrote: Hi, I am trying out a Brailliant BI 32 display and was told that if I just connected it to my Mac it would work. But are there any commands for it? Do I need to set the Mac up for it-is there a braille utility, like VO utility? I can read some of what is in my doc/on desktop but it only reads half or a bit of it, and I can't get it to pan so I can read everything. Thanks, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: samba broken in OS X Lion
Hi, I'm not sure what's broken for you. To connect to an SMB Server, do the following: 1. Go to the Finder. 2. Press cmd-k or up to the Go menu and choose Connect to Server. 3. Enter smb://Server_Name.domain.com If DNS is set up properly, which I expect it is at a University, you shouldn't actually need to put the .domain.com at the end, just the smb://Server_Name. You can substitute the Server_Name with an IP address if DNS still doesn't allow you to connect. 4. Press return. 5. Enter your username and password, press return. 6. Select the volume you wish to mount. You're done. I just checked this at school here on our Windows server and had no problem connecting using smb. Good luck. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 3:56 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: hey guys, has anyone found a work around to connecting to windows shares from a OS X Lion client. I seriously need to be able to do this so that I can save documents to my user account at school. otherwise, its a pain in the a$$ to have to find the files, place them on a usb stick, unmount it, move it to the school windows machine and then copy it to my account drive. I have tried to find information on this via a google search. so far, none of the solutions are workable here (one app available is not voiceover usable at all and the other solutions are either unworkable or unsupported). anyone have any usable solutions that do not involve having to hack the system files? -eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accessible way to find out the codec information of a video file questions
Hi a time ago I asked about a way to find codec info of a video file. Videospec is not accessible completely but the developer was very responsive to consider changing in future. He also pointed out you can save the info about a file in a text log. Tis way I can access all the info about the file. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:19 AM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: Hello everyone is there a way to find out codec information For a videophile that is accessible? I Found a program called video spec and it is great but it's not accessible as far as I can see. In windows there was something called G spot that would do this. Any help is very appreciated. Take care, Ioana Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Accessing Reviews on allrecipes.com
Hello, guys, When I read reviews of recipes on allrecipes.com, I have noticed that only part of the review is shown, and you must chick More to see the rest of the review. This, however, does not seem to work with voiceOver. I have tried pressing return, VO-space, space by itself, even shift with return or control with enter in hopes to open it in a new window, etc. Nothing has worked, including VO-shift-M. Does anyone have any thoughts or similar experiences? REgards, Harry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: keyboard shortcut
HOw did you set hoption shift n for notes? I only did it from VO utility and there you have single modifier key options as far as I know Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Oct 20, 2012, at 5:47 PM, ROD SKENE skene...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Alex. It worked. It didn't at first but when I restarted my Mac, the new keyboard shortcut worked great. I used Traci's key combination of option n. Rod On Oct 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I use ctrl-shift-n, since most keyboard shortcuts in the mac tend to use command and option before control. Go to system preferences, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts tab, select mission control from the first table, then go to the second and find the item called show notification center. Press enter, type the shortcut you want, then stop interacting and close system preferences. On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:48 AM, ROD SKENE skene...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning listers, How can I create a keyboard shortcut for Notification Center? Also, any suggestion for the keyboard combination I should use? Thanks, Rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: samba broken in OS X Lion
this was the method I initially used. However, it didn't work properly. the first problem was that it would see the shares but wouldn't mount them. the second problem was that attempting to mount would result in an error (cannot mount, authentication error. this problem was caused by the session not providing an authicantation window. trying this method under snow leopard seemed to work properly. Unfortunately, my mac no longer has snow leopard on it. rolling back to the previous OS has problems of its own and I am not willing to go through those hassles at this time. -eric On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, I'm not sure what's broken for you. To connect to an SMB Server, do the following: 1. Go to the Finder. 2. Press cmd-k or up to the Go menu and choose Connect to Server. 3. Enter smb://Server_Name.domain.com If DNS is set up properly, which I expect it is at a University, you shouldn't actually need to put the .domain.com at the end, just the smb://Server_Name. You can substitute the Server_Name with an IP address if DNS still doesn't allow you to connect. 4. Press return. 5. Enter your username and password, press return. 6. Select the volume you wish to mount. You're done. I just checked this at school here on our Windows server and had no problem connecting using smb. Good luck. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 3:56 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: hey guys, has anyone found a work around to connecting to windows shares from a OS X Lion client. I seriously need to be able to do this so that I can save documents to my user account at school. otherwise, its a pain in the a$$ to have to find the files, place them on a usb stick, unmount it, move it to the school windows machine and then copy it to my account drive. I have tried to find information on this via a google search. so far, none of the solutions are workable here (one app available is not voiceover usable at all and the other solutions are either unworkable or unsupported). anyone have any usable solutions that do not involve having to hack the system files? -eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: keyboard shortcut
Hi, is there an advantage to using Notes instead of TextEdit? It seems like TextEdit would do the same thing, but maybe that 's just me? You can set different key combinations by using System Preferences under Keyboard and Shortcuts, I think it is. The Voiceover Commanders are for commands that would only function while VoiceOver is running, or at least that is the way I understand it. HOpe this helps. Harry On oct 29, 2012, at 5:06 p.m., Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: HOw did you set hoption shift n for notes? I only did it from VO utility and there you have single modifier key options as far as I know Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Oct 20, 2012, at 5:47 PM, ROD SKENE skene...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Alex. It worked. It didn't at first but when I restarted my Mac, the new keyboard shortcut worked great. I used Traci's key combination of option n. Rod On Oct 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I use ctrl-shift-n, since most keyboard shortcuts in the mac tend to use command and option before control. Go to system preferences, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts tab, select mission control from the first table, then go to the second and find the item called show notification center. Press enter, type the shortcut you want, then stop interacting and close system preferences. On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:48 AM, ROD SKENE skene...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning listers, How can I create a keyboard shortcut for Notification Center? Also, any suggestion for the keyboard combination I should use? Thanks, Rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: samba broken in OS X Lion
Hmm. That's interesting. It sounds like an issue with something at the Windows end. My test that I did was with Mountain Lion and I'm sure that I did this with Lion as well prior to the upgrade. I'll confirm with Lion when I go back to work tomorrow and let you know. Going back to SL is unnecessary in my opinion. I will also see if I can learn something about what may be happening for you. Have to go shovel snow now so won't investigate for a while. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 5:06 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: this was the method I initially used. However, it didn't work properly. the first problem was that it would see the shares but wouldn't mount them. the second problem was that attempting to mount would result in an error (cannot mount, authentication error. this problem was caused by the session not providing an authicantation window. trying this method under snow leopard seemed to work properly. Unfortunately, my mac no longer has snow leopard on it. rolling back to the previous OS has problems of its own and I am not willing to go through those hassles at this time. -eric On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, I'm not sure what's broken for you. To connect to an SMB Server, do the following: 1. Go to the Finder. 2. Press cmd-k or up to the Go menu and choose Connect to Server. 3. Enter smb://Server_Name.domain.com If DNS is set up properly, which I expect it is at a University, you shouldn't actually need to put the .domain.com at the end, just the smb://Server_Name. You can substitute the Server_Name with an IP address if DNS still doesn't allow you to connect. 4. Press return. 5. Enter your username and password, press return. 6. Select the volume you wish to mount. You're done. I just checked this at school here on our Windows server and had no problem connecting using smb. Good luck. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 3:56 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: hey guys, has anyone found a work around to connecting to windows shares from a OS X Lion client. I seriously need to be able to do this so that I can save documents to my user account at school. otherwise, its a pain in the a$$ to have to find the files, place them on a usb stick, unmount it, move it to the school windows machine and then copy it to my account drive. I have tried to find information on this via a google search. so far, none of the solutions are workable here (one app available is not voiceover usable at all and the other solutions are either unworkable or unsupported). anyone have any usable solutions that do not involve having to hack the system files? -eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: memory question
Well, mine maxes out two with just a few apps, so using almost 2 sounds about right to me. OSX does a lot more graphical stuff than Windows, even if you can't see it, plus it runs a lot more services you don't see (iCloud syncing, detection of attached iOS devices, and other listneers) which Windows does not. On Oct 29, 2012, at 5:49 PM, Chris Bruinenberg cbrui...@gmail.com wrote: that's what i was saying. it used almost 2 before i launched anything with mountain lion. On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:36 PM, Scott Berry sb356...@gmail.com wrote: Wondering??? How much memory off the bat does OS Mountain Lion use? On 10/29/2012 03:12 PM, Chris Bruinenberg wrote: Hi all. I have a question. With mac os, I have just installed 8 gb ram. When i boot up the computer, a fresh reboot, it will use already 2 gb of ram. Is this a normal thing? Thanks for any help. Chris -- Scott Berry E-mail: sb356...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accessing Reviews on allrecipes.com
Try going to the link with vo, routing the mouse there with vo-cmd-f5, then clicking with vo-shift-space or actually clicking the physical mouse. On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, guys, When I read reviews of recipes on allrecipes.com, I have noticed that only part of the review is shown, and you must chick More to see the rest of the review. This, however, does not seem to work with voiceOver. I have tried pressing return, VO-space, space by itself, even shift with return or control with enter in hopes to open it in a new window, etc. Nothing has worked, including VO-shift-M. Does anyone have any thoughts or similar experiences? REgards, Harry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: keyboard shortcut
You understand it correctly, Harry. Iona, Notes is good for quickly jotting osmething down, but where it really shines is iCloud. Any notes you make on any device, be it your iPhone, iPad, iPod, or Mac, will sync to all your other devices. Textedit is more powerful than Notes, but it won't sync like that. On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:14 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, is there an advantage to using Notes instead of TextEdit? It seems like TextEdit would do the same thing, but maybe that 's just me? You can set different key combinations by using System Preferences under Keyboard and Shortcuts, I think it is. The Voiceover Commanders are for commands that would only function while VoiceOver is running, or at least that is the way I understand it. HOpe this helps. Harry On oct 29, 2012, at 5:06 p.m., Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: HOw did you set hoption shift n for notes? I only did it from VO utility and there you have single modifier key options as far as I know Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Oct 20, 2012, at 5:47 PM, ROD SKENE skene...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Alex. It worked. It didn't at first but when I restarted my Mac, the new keyboard shortcut worked great. I used Traci's key combination of option n. Rod On Oct 20, 2012, at 12:39 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: I use ctrl-shift-n, since most keyboard shortcuts in the mac tend to use command and option before control. Go to system preferences, keyboard, keyboard shortcuts tab, select mission control from the first table, then go to the second and find the item called show notification center. Press enter, type the shortcut you want, then stop interacting and close system preferences. On Oct 20, 2012, at 11:48 AM, ROD SKENE skene...@gmail.com wrote: Good morning listers, How can I create a keyboard shortcut for Notification Center? Also, any suggestion for the keyboard combination I should use? Thanks, Rod -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
ABBYY FineReader Express OCR app on sale for 50% as today's MacUpdate Promo
Hi All, This is a late alert, but the OCR app, ABBYY FineReader Express version 8.3, is on sale for $49.99 as today's MacUpdate promo: http://www.mupromo.com/deal/13388/abbyy-finereader-express This is half the regular price of $99.99, and is only good for the next slightly over four hours. If you've never purchased a MacUpdate promo before, you'll need to create a user account that involves a one- time negotiation of a CAPTCHA. This gives you access to all your receipts of purchases, serial numbers, and download links for the applications you purchased at any later time. There is a trial download link from the mupromo.com page, but I believe it's for the previous version of the software, version 8.2. That means if you're running Mountain Lion it won't pass the new GateKeeper security, I think. And if you purchase it, you'll need to upgrade in order to run the license. If you do decide to buy the product, you should download the full, current version of the app: http://www.abbyydownloads.com/FRMACLion/ABBYY_FineReader_Express.dmg That way, you don't need to update versions from the trial version, and you can just enter the serial number to run this. Sorry for the late catch, but I picked this up off another list. ABBYY FineReader Express will OCR to multiple languages -- most European languages and Russian, but not Asian languages like Chinese. And yes, it's accessible with VoiceOver.l HTH. Cheers, Estther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
News Rack question
Hi: I have a question about News Rack on the Mac. Is there a keyboard command to get to the top or bottom of a feed list? Thanks Peggy -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: samba broken in OS X Lion
Eric, I found this article from Apple: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4829 I'm guessing that you don't have Read permissions to a specific parent folder within the SharePoint you're attempting to access and that's why you're receiving that error. I am a Domain Admin on our Windows Servers so my attempts would not have returned the same error as yours. Sorry for the mislead. I will test some things tomorrow with a different user with less privileges and get back to you if you'd like and see what I can suggest. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 5:06 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: this was the method I initially used. However, it didn't work properly. the first problem was that it would see the shares but wouldn't mount them. the second problem was that attempting to mount would result in an error (cannot mount, authentication error. this problem was caused by the session not providing an authicantation window. trying this method under snow leopard seemed to work properly. Unfortunately, my mac no longer has snow leopard on it. rolling back to the previous OS has problems of its own and I am not willing to go through those hassles at this time. -eric On Oct 29, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: Hi, I'm not sure what's broken for you. To connect to an SMB Server, do the following: 1. Go to the Finder. 2. Press cmd-k or up to the Go menu and choose Connect to Server. 3. Enter smb://Server_Name.domain.com If DNS is set up properly, which I expect it is at a University, you shouldn't actually need to put the .domain.com at the end, just the smb://Server_Name. You can substitute the Server_Name with an IP address if DNS still doesn't allow you to connect. 4. Press return. 5. Enter your username and password, press return. 6. Select the volume you wish to mount. You're done. I just checked this at school here on our Windows server and had no problem connecting using smb. Good luck. Later... Tim Kilburn Fort McMurray, AB Canada On 2012-10-29, at 3:56 PM, Eric Oyen eric.o...@gmail.com wrote: hey guys, has anyone found a work around to connecting to windows shares from a OS X Lion client. I seriously need to be able to do this so that I can save documents to my user account at school. otherwise, its a pain in the a$$ to have to find the files, place them on a usb stick, unmount it, move it to the school windows machine and then copy it to my account drive. I have tried to find information on this via a google search. so far, none of the solutions are workable here (one app available is not voiceover usable at all and the other solutions are either unworkable or unsupported). anyone have any usable solutions that do not involve having to hack the system files? -eric -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ABBYY FineReader Express OCR app on sale for 50% as today's MacUpdate Promo
Hmm, this full current version link says 10.6; that wouldn't be new for Mountain Lion; it would be back on Snow Leopard. I bought this a long time ago and was just trying to check on whether there was a newer version than I have. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi All, This is a late alert, but the OCR app, ABBYY FineReader Express version 8.3, is on sale for $49.99 as today's MacUpdate promo: http://www.mupromo.com/deal/13388/abbyy-finereader-express This is half the regular price of $99.99, and is only good for the next slightly over four hours. If you've never purchased a MacUpdate promo before, you'll need to create a user account that involves a one- time negotiation of a CAPTCHA. This gives you access to all your receipts of purchases, serial numbers, and download links for the applications you purchased at any later time. There is a trial download link from the mupromo.com page, but I believe it's for the previous version of the software, version 8.2. That means if you're running Mountain Lion it won't pass the new GateKeeper security, I think. And if you purchase it, you'll need to upgrade in order to run the license. If you do decide to buy the product, you should download the full, current version of the app: http://www.abbyydownloads.com/FRMACLion/ABBYY_FineReader_Express.dmg That way, you don't need to update versions from the trial version, and you can just enter the serial number to run this. Sorry for the late catch, but I picked this up off another list. ABBYY FineReader Express will OCR to multiple languages -- most European languages and Russian, but not Asian languages like Chinese. And yes, it's accessible with VoiceOver.l HTH. Cheers, Estther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accessing Reviews on allrecipes.com
Hi Alex, I tried this, and it seems like the mouse loses focus and goes to the HTML content immediately after it says More. It's strange. I did try the VO-CMD-shift-space bar to lock the mouse and then unlock it, thinking that might do it, and it seems like it worked for one review, but now I can't figure out exactly what I did to make it work. It's strange. Thanks, Harry On oct 29, 2012, at 5:00 p.m., Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, guys, When I read reviews of recipes on allrecipes.com, I have noticed that only part of the review is shown, and you must chick More to see the rest of the review. This, however, does not seem to work with voiceOver. I have tried pressing return, VO-space, space by itself, even shift with return or control with enter in hopes to open it in a new window, etc. Nothing has worked, including VO-shift-M. Does anyone have any thoughts or similar experiences? REgards, Harry On oct 29, 2012, at 5:33 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Try going to the link with vo, routing the mouse there with vo-cmd-f5, then clicking with vo-shift-space or actually clicking the physical mouse. On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, guys, When I read reviews of recipes on allrecipes.com, I have noticed that only part of the review is shown, and you must chick More to see the rest of the review. This, however, does not seem to work with voiceOver. I have tried pressing return, VO-space, space by itself, even shift with return or control with enter in hopes to open it in a new window, etc. Nothing has worked, including VO-shift-M. Does anyone have any thoughts or similar experiences? REgards, Harry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ABBYY FineReader Express OCR app on sale for 50% as today's MacUpdate Promo
Hi Cheryl, The current version (8.3) is supposed to be good for Mountain Lion, and matches the version in the Mac App store that is rated for Mountain Lion. There were comments in the mupromo page asking about the version, because the default trial download and link from that web site was for version 8.2, and the developer responded by saying you should download the version: http://www.abbyydownloads.com/FRMACLion/ABBYY_FineReader_Express.dmg I don't know that there is an updated trial version for 8.3. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Oct 29, 3:41 pm, Cheryl Homiak cahom...@gmail.com wrote: Hmm, this full current version link says 10.6; that wouldn't be new for Mountain Lion; it would be back on Snow Leopard. I bought this a long time ago and was just trying to check on whether there was a newer version than I have. -- Cheryl May the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable to You, Lord, my rock and my Redeemer. (Psalm 19:14 HCSB) On Oct 29, 2012, at 6:43 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi All, This is a late alert, but the OCR app, ABBYY FineReader Express version 8.3, is on sale for $49.99 as today's MacUpdate promo: http://www.mupromo.com/deal/13388/abbyy-finereader-express This is half the regular price of $99.99, and is only good for the next slightly over four hours. If you've never purchased a MacUpdate promo before, you'll need to create a user account that involves a one- time negotiation of a CAPTCHA. This gives you access to all your receipts of purchases, serial numbers, and download links for the applications you purchased at any later time. There is a trial download link from the mupromo.com page, but I believe it's for the previous version of the software, version 8.2. That means if you're running Mountain Lion it won't pass the new GateKeeper security, I think. And if you purchase it, you'll need to upgrade in order to run the license. If you do decide to buy the product, you should download the full, current version of the app: http://www.abbyydownloads.com/FRMACLion/ABBYY_FineReader_Express.dmg That way, you don't need to update versions from the trial version, and you can just enter the serial number to run this. Sorry for the late catch, but I picked this up off another list. ABBYY FineReader Express will OCR to multiple languages -- most European languages and Russian, but not Asian languages like Chinese. And yes, it's accessible with VoiceOver.l HTH. Cheers, Estther -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Accessing Reviews on allrecipes.com
My only other thought is to move vo to the link, press vo-shift-u on the link. Vo will speak the url to which the link connects, and you can then press vo-shift-c to copy this to the clipboard so you can paste it into your address bar. If the site uses javascript/ajax to dynamically load the review this might not work, but it's worth a shot. On Oct 29, 2012, at 11:01 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex, I tried this, and it seems like the mouse loses focus and goes to the HTML content immediately after it says More. It's strange. I did try the VO-CMD-shift-space bar to lock the mouse and then unlock it, thinking that might do it, and it seems like it worked for one review, but now I can't figure out exactly what I did to make it work. It's strange. Thanks, Harry On oct 29, 2012, at 5:00 p.m., Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, guys, When I read reviews of recipes on allrecipes.com, I have noticed that only part of the review is shown, and you must chick More to see the rest of the review. This, however, does not seem to work with voiceOver. I have tried pressing return, VO-space, space by itself, even shift with return or control with enter in hopes to open it in a new window, etc. Nothing has worked, including VO-shift-M. Does anyone have any thoughts or similar experiences? REgards, Harry On oct 29, 2012, at 5:33 p.m., Alex Hall mehg...@gmail.com wrote: Try going to the link with vo, routing the mouse there with vo-cmd-f5, then clicking with vo-shift-space or actually clicking the physical mouse. On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:00 PM, Harry Hogue harryhog...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, guys, When I read reviews of recipes on allrecipes.com, I have noticed that only part of the review is shown, and you must chick More to see the rest of the review. This, however, does not seem to work with voiceOver. I have tried pressing return, VO-space, space by itself, even shift with return or control with enter in hopes to open it in a new window, etc. Nothing has worked, including VO-shift-M. Does anyone have any thoughts or similar experiences? REgards, Harry -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Have a great day, Alex (msg sent from Mac Mini) mehg...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
