Re: Deleting email messages twice?

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

I have all the necessary settings for the deleting option set and I find the 
messages delete from Mac Mail. But still appear on the iPhone. If you do it the 
other way, it seems to work. This is Gmail of course. Also sending Gmail 
messages take for ever to be send. When I look at the sent folder, there is 
multiple copies.

Mac Mail has some very strange behaviours with Gmail.

Sean 
> On 7 Aug 2015, at 7:23 am, jeff `greene  wrote:
> 
> Hi, going to mail settings preferences and under accounts to say account and 
> then hit mailbox activities cab. Under there that should be a checkbox that 
> says something about keep deleted messages on the server uncheck that and 
> then hit OK you should be all set. Hope this helps Jeffx 
> 
> Sent from Outlook 
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2015 at 11:42 AM -0700, "Matthew Dierckens" 
> mailto:matt.dierck...@me.com>> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> Ever since my computer's logic board was replaced last week, I notice that a 
> bunch of settings have been screwed with for some reason.
> When I delete messages on my iPhone or iPad and then go over to the mac side, 
> the messages appear again so I have to delete them. Isn't there a setting I 
> can change for this not to happen?
> Thanks.
> God bless.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
> Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
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Re: My thoughts on the Apple Public Beta Program

[Sean Murphy]

With the current technology level for speech recognition it is true. With the 
improvements being done, I don’t think this will be the case in the future.

Sean 
> On 2 Aug 2015, at 2:04 am, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> People keep thinking Apple should put Siri in os X. I'll say this. Have any 
> of you done dictation? I mean, having an audio file that you have to turn to 
> text? I think I can safely say that people tend to type faster on a physical 
> keyboard than they can talk., 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 1, 2015, at 2:27 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Yes.
>> /A
>>> 31 juli 2015 kl. 20:56 skrev Chris :
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I didn't have this problem this morning, I may do in subsequent submissions 
>>> we'll see. Are you on the latest public beta?
>>> 
 On 31/07/2015 12:41, Anders Holmberg wrote:
 Hi!
 THe only thing i found to be very strange is that the feedback assistant 
 seems to complain about missing attached files even if you have attached 
 them.
 I don’t know if its me doing something wrong or if its a bug in the 
 feedback assistant itself.
 /A
> 31 juli 2015 kl. 09:26 skrev christopher hallsworth 
> :
> 
> Hi all
> I now have both iOS 9 and OS X 10.11 El Capitan public beta on my 
> devices. While I cannot go into the specifics, I am really liking the 
> program which anyone can sign up to so long as they have an Apple ID. 
> Note! Since this is prerelease software, it's not for the faint of heart. 
>  The Feedback Assistant apps that come with the program is awesome! I 
> will definitely! enrol in future public betas, rather than renew my 
> developer account with Apple as I find the bug reporting system on there 
> to be clunky. Not so with the public beta program. Best of all, the 
> public beta program is at the right price smile.
> For those like me who are adventurous, give it a shot.
> Happy hacking!
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Re: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread

[Sean Murphy]

Anyone tested it in a VMWare session the latest beta? Since I am finding 
strange volume issues. Wondering if it is a VMWare issue.
Sean 
> On 13 Jul 2015, at 5:08 AM, Shaf  wrote:
> 
> Using a Macbook Pro 13 inch Retina mid 2012 if that's any help. Not tested on 
> the 2015 15 inch retina as it is my main system.
> 
> 
> On 7/13/2015 8:59 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:
>> Not confirmed here. No issues at all.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 13 juli 2015 kl. 04:46 skrev Shaf :
>>> 
>>> So there's a bug in the Open File dialog when trying to open any type of 
>>> file from any application.
>>> Can anybody else duplicate? VoiceOver just busy freezes.
>>> 
>>> On 7/13/2015 2:30 AM, E.T. wrote:
 Well, good luck. If there are enough people like you who can focus on the 
 work, it will get done.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 Many believe that we have been visited
 in the past. What if it were true?
 
 On 7/12/2015 6:14 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
> Hi ET,
> 
> This is mainly to pipeline the issues list and send all the feedback with 
> audio samples to demonstrate the degree of impact each issue has on 
> everyone’s daily use. The fail factor is fine with me, as if there are 
> people who genuinely want to help improve the experience, they should be 
> given the opportunity to do so. For those who just download the beta and 
> talk about NDA or not NDA, feeling bad or feeling queezy etc, I can rub 
> two ducks about it.
> 
> Will try to find the moderator or whatever is happening with the whole 
> concept of keeping trolls out of the way.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13/07/2015, at 9:37 AM, E.T.  wrote:
>> 
>>   The proposal does have merit. The difficulty comes in when people are 
>> not on board with it so it will fail. Maybe I am too cynical.
>> 
>>   It would in fact be wonderful if this actually worked for there are 
>> times when traffic is so heavy the delete key is used big time.
>> 
>>   No moderator. Been missing since last year at least. This is why I say 
>> this proposal will fail.
>> 
>>   What about a mailing list dedicated to this for the ones engaged in 
>> beta testing?
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>   ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> Many believe that we have been visited
>> in the past. What if it were true?
>> 
>> On 7/12/2015 4:25 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>>> I really don’t care about your suppositions my friend. All I’m doing is 
>>> trying to make my experience on voice over the best it can be and try 
>>> to help as much as I can.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for mentioning the rule. I don’t need some weird emotional dude 
>>> trolling my mailbox so I’ll just go ahead now and make any of your 
>>> messages go “poof”, oh snap, that human spam is gone.
>>> 
>>> Have a great week, chump
>>> 
>>> 
 On 13/07/2015, at 7:44 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
  wrote:
 
 I suppose those people who don't wanna do this, like me, you're going 
 to also teach them in case they don't know, how to make an e-mail 
 filter?  This way they don't have to see the thread if they don't wish 
 to?
 
 Smirk?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: "Yuma Decaux" 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2015 3:14 PM
 Subject: proposal: the macvisionaries bug replication thread
 
 
 Hi All,
 
 I see a lot of you have downloaded the public beta, and since apple’s 
 amendment to disclosure of information regarding public beta bugs and 
 features allows pretty much every news outlet out there to discuss 
 these things, including all comments from individuals doing the same 
 in these articles, it is fair to assume that it will not be a problem 
 either for mailing lists and other communication channels.
 
 So I propose that we create a thread for people to write up different 
 inconsistencies they might find for others to replicate the issue so 
 that those who have feedback assistant can report this to the 
 engineers. The idea is for the more commonly occuring bugs to be 
 squashed, by sheer number of reports. Some will not have the time to 
 write the thing down properly but can definetely participate since 
 legally those discussions are possible.
 
 I first will need to ask a few people, then confirm this is possible 
 since all of us are voice over users and all of us want voice over to 
 be as good as it can get.
 
 I believe there should be a few rules:
 1-no feature requests as this would explode the thread
 2-When someone finds an issue, there should be a structured meth

Re: another mail client?

[Sean Murphy]

Use ms outlook

Do not know about thunderbird. 

My experience is the part 

> On 13 Jul 2015, at 2:50 pm, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> MailMate? That came close, last time I looked …
> 
> Nah, you’re right—this is one area where it sucks to be a Mac user, bigtime.
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Re: improvements in eclipse accessibility

[Sean Murphy]

Guys,

What packages do you need to install these editors?

Sean 
> On 11 Jul 2015, at 5:45 pm, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hey Juan,
> 
> That’s great news. I’ll stick to using eclim as I like my vim commands, but 
> this will definetely be a nice addition for everyone who wants to use eclipse 
> for uni courses.
> 
> For the auto completion bit, if you do vo f2 twice and pull up the window, go 
> to the last element of said window and you will get to the correct list of 
> suggestions. I know this is long and tedious to do for each auto completion 
> session, which is why I suggested the applescript. There might be a better 
> method for this, such as a new feature on el capitan but I haven’t tested it 
> out yet.
> 
> There might, alternatively, be a way to get rid of that description window to 
> force vo focus directly onto the list of suggestions.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>> On 11/07/2015, at 3:30 PM, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I just downloaded the eclipse side version 4.5, mars.  and was rather 
>> supervised when I saw that now the editor area is now accessible.  This 
>> makes the ride usable now.  I am still trying to figure out how to get 
>> autocorrection working.  There is an issue when you type something like 
>> ‘System.’ and when you hit the period the autocorrect kicks in.  usually one 
>> just uses down/up arrows to view the different classes and such.  This is 
>> the case, but when you move through the list of classes/methods/properties 
>> etc, it automatically placeless you in the html viewer window to read the 
>> details of what that particular selected item does, and how it does what it 
>> does.  usually you hit the tab key to get to that help info when browsing 
>> the list if one needs more info on a particular item.
>> 
>> But this is really  great news for those of you that use it.
>> 
>> If anyone has any info, I’d love to hear it to fix the issue I’m having, or 
>> any other tips/tricks.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Juan
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Re: web-based text editors and VoiceOver

[Sean Murphy]

This sound like a comms issue between Voice-over, the API and the browser. I 
assume you are using safari. The question is safari sending the information to 
Voice-over from this open source editor?

If not, then that is the issue. I mention this because you are entering 
information into the editor then the editor should pass this to Safari for 
rendering and Safari should pass it to voice-Over. 

At least that is how I see the flow should go. 

Sean 
> On 11 Jul 2015, at 8:58 am, Phil Halton  wrote:
> 
> There is an open source web text editor app called “CKEditor” that is used by 
> a lot of websites for rich format text input. When focused in CKEditor, 
> VoiceOver gives no spoken feedback when typing. The editor does work with the 
> standard UNIX commands, and VoiceOver will speak text contents as you arrow 
> around in the text, but it will not speak as you type.
> I can’t find any way to get typing feedback with this web editor and wonder 
> if anyone has had experience with this sort of problem?
> I can’t direct you to a website that uses CKEditor because the site I use is 
> a private area.
> There is a website for the open source CKEditor, www.CKEditor.com, but I 
> haven’t gone through it yet looking for clues as to how to get VoiceOver to 
> speak typing.
> 
> Any help? Any suggestions?
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Re: Remote Control for Mac?

[Sean Murphy]

All,

So Mac does not have a one software solution. Using face time and other methods 
defeat the purpose of VNC. You may as well not use a remote control and tell 
the person what to do.

Remote desktop and Citrix on Windows provide the remote desktop control on 
windows.  If Mac has Citrix  then you can use that.

Sean 
> On 22 Jun 2015, at 2:15 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> That doesn't do audio, though, does it? If it were me, I'd need to hear 
> VoiceOver speech from the remote computer through my own machine's speakers, 
> and all VO commands would have to be ignored by my machine and passed to the 
> slave. Can Screen Sharing now do this? I've not tried it; I hope it can!
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 11:31 PM, rashantha de silva > > wrote:
>> 
>> Screen sharing is built in. You can also access the app. Put in an ip 
>> address and your done or you can use a vnc app.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent using CloudMagic 
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>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Shaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Is there a fully accessible remote control client for Mac? I need it to 
>> do everything Teamviewer on Windows does including transmit any sound 
>> output. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Shaf 
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Re: thoughts about voiceover and its usage of the accessibility API

[Sean Murphy]

Hello,


do you have any more info on what you have outlined below? since this is an 
area of interest for myself. Any pointers would be helpful and grateful.

Sean 
> On 22 Jun 2015, at 3:27 am, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> The current OS has python, applescript and jscript that can send information 
> directly to voice over, but I haven’t touched the scripts pertaining to these 
> in a while as there are 3rd party applications that allow to do this very 
> well. Also, there are a bunch of CL tools that also allow some lesser 
> inherent amount of manipulation of the GUIs, provided they are rendered 
> accessible. 
> 
> I’m not sure what happens on the windows side, but I’ve taken it to myself to 
> do everything a coder would do on the mac, and so far it’s getting smoother 
> everytime. And much much faster too. Can’t say more.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
>> On 21/06/2015, at 11:21 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> 
>> On either platform, a developer can use their own controls still. They do 
>> not have to use the provided objects in the Coco library or Windows 
>> development tool. This occurs equally on both platforms for the reasons that 
>> have already been raised. The struggle anyone has even if you work within 
>> the vendor is to get them to use the necessary resources to fix it. 
>> 
>> The biggest challenge I find with Voice-Over is if an application is not 
>> using the Coco library controls (objects) that do have accessibility built 
>> into them or the developer is using their own method. Then that product is 
>> not usable on the Mac. If this was the case on Windows, you do have the 
>> ability of addressing it via the screen readers. On the flip side, this is a 
>> disadvantage as well because you are not educating the developer best 
>> practise to use the right accessibility libraries in the first place. There 
>> are applications on Windows which the outlined solution available on windows 
>> screen readers do not work. In saying this, you can go a lot further then 
>> you can on the Mac.
>> 
>> One thing I want to validate and I suspect it can be done but is a lot 
>> harder on the Mac due to you having to know a lot more. Is it possible to 
>> interrogate an application like Pages via Perl, Python, Coco (Swift) and 
>> then send this information directly to Voice-Over. For example: You create a 
>> little app that grabs the current style being used with all the relevant 
>> properties. The info is sent to voice-over and the app can turn the feature 
>> on or off. The reason for asking this is, if it can be done then I can see 
>> how to really improve the experience of a lot of different applications via 
>> this method. Since most developers will not provide this enhance feature. 
>> Window screen reader’s provide this type of enhance capability via their 
>> scripting environments and you do not have to learn an complete development 
>> environment.
>> 
>> How much control via scripts does someone have over Voice-Over using the 
>> above languages?
>> 
>> Sean 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:28 am, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Let me just add that the wwdc this year has put a highlight on 
>>> accessibility to the developers attending or downloading the workshop 
>>> videos, so saying that apple has put accessibility to the bottom of the 
>>> list is untrue. In addition, now all standard UI controls in xcode are by 
>>> default accessible. This has engendered an effort from oracle with its 
>>> javafx framework to render all their controls accessible for both mac and 
>>> windows.
>>> 
>>> When it comes to custom APIs, I remember there used to be a tool called 
>>> accessibility inspector which allows the developer to check the hierarchy 
>>> of controls and scenes in an application to see which control gives what 
>>> accessible output, or what voice over will announce. Usualy custom controls 
>>> are 3D based or image based, which requires an effort from the developer to 
>>> handle what is said, how and what triggers it, which is a set of coding 
>>> behaviours that need to be placed on top of the custom control.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 21/06/2015, at 1:06 AM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>>>> Hash: SHA1
>>>> 
>>>> Hello:
>>>> First, it's always a really hard discussion when someone with little
>>>> to no development experience talks abou

Re: Remote Control for Mac?

[Sean Murphy]

I would be interested to know about this as well.

VNC does not have a audio stream from the last time I used it which was over 2 
years ago.

Sean 
> On 22 Jun 2015, at 2:15 pm, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> That doesn't do audio, though, does it? If it were me, I'd need to hear 
> VoiceOver speech from the remote computer through my own machine's speakers, 
> and all VO commands would have to be ignored by my machine and passed to the 
> slave. Can Screen Sharing now do this? I've not tried it; I hope it can!
>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 11:31 PM, rashantha de silva > > wrote:
>> 
>> Screen sharing is built in. You can also access the app. Put in an ip 
>> address and your done or you can use a vnc app.
>> 
>> 
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>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Shaf > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, 
>> 
>> Is there a fully accessible remote control client for Mac? I need it to 
>> do everything Teamviewer on Windows does including transmit any sound 
>> output. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Shaf 
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Re: thoughts about voiceover and its usage of the accessibility API

[Sean Murphy]

On either platform, a developer can use their own controls still. They do not 
have to use the provided objects in the Coco library or Windows development 
tool. This occurs equally on both platforms for the reasons that have already 
been raised. The struggle anyone has even if you work within the vendor is to 
get them to use the necessary resources to fix it. 

The biggest challenge I find with Voice-Over is if an application is not using 
the Coco library controls (objects) that do have accessibility built into them 
or the developer is using their own method. Then that product is not usable on 
the Mac. If this was the case on Windows, you do have the ability of addressing 
it via the screen readers. On the flip side, this is a disadvantage as well 
because you are not educating the developer best practise to use the right 
accessibility libraries in the first place. There are applications on Windows 
which the outlined solution available on windows screen readers do not work. In 
saying this, you can go a lot further then you can on the Mac.

One thing I want to validate and I suspect it can be done but is a lot harder 
on the Mac due to you having to know a lot more. Is it possible to interrogate 
an application like Pages via Perl, Python, Coco (Swift) and then send this 
information directly to Voice-Over. For example: You create a little app that 
grabs the current style being used with all the relevant properties. The info 
is sent to voice-over and the app can turn the feature on or off. The reason 
for asking this is, if it can be done then I can see how to really improve the 
experience of a lot of different applications via this method. Since most 
developers will not provide this enhance feature. Window screen reader’s 
provide this type of enhance capability via their scripting environments and 
you do not have to learn an complete development environment.

How much control via scripts does someone have over Voice-Over using the above 
languages?

Sean 



> On 21 Jun 2015, at 3:28 am, Yuma Decaux  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Let me just add that the wwdc this year has put a highlight on accessibility 
> to the developers attending or downloading the workshop videos, so saying 
> that apple has put accessibility to the bottom of the list is untrue. In 
> addition, now all standard UI controls in xcode are by default accessible. 
> This has engendered an effort from oracle with its javafx framework to render 
> all their controls accessible for both mac and windows.
> 
> When it comes to custom APIs, I remember there used to be a tool called 
> accessibility inspector which allows the developer to check the hierarchy of 
> controls and scenes in an application to see which control gives what 
> accessible output, or what voice over will announce. Usualy custom controls 
> are 3D based or image based, which requires an effort from the developer to 
> handle what is said, how and what triggers it, which is a set of coding 
> behaviours that need to be placed on top of the custom control.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
>> On 21/06/2015, at 1:06 AM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
>> 
>> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>> Hash: SHA1
>> 
>> Hello:
>> First, it's always a really hard discussion when someone with little
>> to no development experience talks about how things "should" be done
>> because they're usually way off. So I'll explain how things work
>> currently.
>> 
>> A long long time ago, in a galaxy far far away Windows and OSX
>> developers all used different APIs than they do now. A majority of
>> windows applications were written in C/C++ or delphy, with a couple
>> others thrown in. OSX used C mainly (maybe c++) and they used the
>> Carbon API.
>> 
>> Carbon and Win32 basically let people do the same stuff, create
>> windows, etc. but where the problems came in was that it gave a lot of
>> control to the developer, so the developer could basically write up
>> all sorts of cool new things in their controls. Now that people
>> started moving more toward using vb.net, c# etc for Windows
>> development (because using the win32 API is not fun--I have a media
>> player I'm writing mostly in c), as well as people moving toward
>> Cocoah, this problem is going away for the most part.
>> 
>> Now the problems we face are a lot smaller. Windows had MSAA and UIAA
>> for providing information to the screen readers, and Cocoah has its'
>> own accessibility frameworks. As you're using a framework they
>> control, it's really easy to make most things accessible by default.
>> But again, the issue is with custom controls. Many times a developer
>> wants something new in their app, because it looks cool or because the
>> control can provide custom functionality that another one does not.
>> This, I believe is the issue you are running into. So rather than
>> Apple do what Windows does as they're already doing that, there needs
>> to be something that tells developers when their controls are broken.
>> This really should

Re: Installing a virtual mac under Vmware

[Sean Murphy]

All,

VMWare fusion 7.2 fixes a bug in detection of USB HID devices where they do not 
come up in the device menu. Passing it on for anyone who cares.

Also I have been speaking with VMWare on the whole issue of how the keyboard 
isn’t fully passed into the host machine. Early days on this one. I want to see 
what VMWare says since Apple states it is a VMware issue. 

Under windows you do not have the issues where eVoice-over is still 
intersecting keystrokes. If it is at a very low level then this could end up 
being an Apple issue after all.

Sean 
> On 16 Jun 2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
> The two options I can see:
> 
> 1. Remap the Mac host  keystroke to something else, if this can be done under 
> keyboard prefence.
> 2. Use another keyboard and modify the VMWare config file so the 2nd keyboard 
> is fully controlled by the guess OS (your Test Mac os). This is what I do for 
> Windows  in the past. When using 7.1 Pro I have had issues with it not 
> working as it is documented. Looking into it still.
> 
> Sean 
> 
>> On 16 Jun 2015, at 9:01 am, Tom Moore  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> I use VMware every day for both windows and Linux machines have
>> basically got everything worked out as far as accessing most of their
>> functions.
>> The big question left for me is now that VMware supports running
>> virtual mac os's how can this be done so that a person can hit command
>> f5 with out starting up the Voiceover on the host?
>> If this can be made to work a virtual mac can be installed for testing
>> purposes and run along side the host os.
>> 
>> Thanks for any tips you guys may have.
>> 
>> Tom
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Re: Installing a virtual mac under Vmware

[Sean Murphy]

The two options I can see:

1. Remap the Mac host  keystroke to something else, if this can be done under 
keyboard prefence.
2. Use another keyboard and modify the VMWare config file so the 2nd keyboard 
is fully controlled by the guess OS (your Test Mac os). This is what I do for 
Windows  in the past. When using 7.1 Pro I have had issues with it not working 
as it is documented. Looking into it still.

Sean 

> On 16 Jun 2015, at 9:01 am, Tom Moore  wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> I use VMware every day for both windows and Linux machines have
> basically got everything worked out as far as accessing most of their
> functions.
> The big question left for me is now that VMware supports running
> virtual mac os's how can this be done so that a person can hit command
> f5 with out starting up the Voiceover on the host?
> If this can be made to work a virtual mac can be installed for testing
> purposes and run along side the host os.
> 
> Thanks for any tips you guys may have.
> 
> Tom
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Re: Using Apple script to script voiceover as one would make scripts for Windows screenreaders

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

Where are some good resources on this topic to help VI’s to understand how to 
program this type of stuff?
> On 14 Jun 2015, at 8:44 am, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:
> 
> It is also possible to script in javascript using the scripteditor. I believe 
> that perl also has ways of accessing scripting objects in other applications.
> 
> 
> 
> Jonathan Cohn 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 6:12 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> 
>> I would also like to know and also do you have to use Apple script?
>>> On 11 Jun 2015, at 7:57 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. Does anyone know if it is possible to script voiceover to work 
>>> better with applications like one would make app modules or add ons for 
>>> NVDA or scripts for Jaws? I’d assume this would be done with Applescript 
>>> but not sure if voiceover has enough API’s or whatever to be used.
>>> 
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Re: windows and vmware

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

How do you get the keyboard into VMWare? I thought it was cmd g.

Also do you know how you can  permanently assign a bluetooth keyboard to the 
VMWare? I managed to get it paired. But cannot work out how to tell the Mac not 
to use it. It is not a Mac keyboard, it is a logitech keyboard.
> On 11 Jun 2015, at 7:06 pm, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
> so wondering if someone can help here. i can copy/paste to my mac/vm but when 
> i try to copy from note pad to note pad it doesn’t do what it’s supposed to. 
> control c/a/x/v all dont work and no idea why help if possible?
> 
> 
> deedra waters
> dee...@the-brannons.com
> 
> 
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Re: Using Apple script to script voiceover as one would make scripts for Windows screenreaders

[Sean Murphy]

I would also like to know and also do you have to use Apple script?
> On 11 Jun 2015, at 7:57 pm, Devin Prater  wrote:
> 
> Hi all. Does anyone know if it is possible to script voiceover to work better 
> with applications like one would make app modules or add ons for NVDA or 
> scripts for Jaws? I’d assume this would be done with Applescript but not sure 
> if voiceover has enough API’s or whatever to be used.
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Re: Best application for handling comments and change tracking in MS-Word files?

[Sean Murphy]

Jason,

Comments on Word you can insert with no problems. I have not yet tested it, but 
I suspect you could set up a hot spot to monitor the tab that is open for 
comments to detect the presence of a comment in the document.

I have not tested track changes in word. As you have already posted that you 
have the pre-release version.

Keep the posts coming.

Sean 

> On 23 May 2015, at 2:08 am, Jason White  wrote:
> 
> Which application would you recommend as providing best support for working 
> with MS-Word files that use change tracking and comments?
> 
> I have Apple Pages installed. I also tried LibreOffice but found that it 
> wasn’t accessible with VoiceOver. It is accessible under Linux, but obviously 
> their OS X accessibility support is not yet functional. I haven’t downloaded 
> MS-Office 2016 preview yet.
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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

I Could not find the keystrokes to activate the ribbon bar like windows. Cmd is 
the same as Alt under windows by the way. This is a feature request that needs 
to be added. Also be aware, word uses Windows keystrokes to select and navigate 
through the document. I have already lodged this as a bug. Do not know if they 
will fix it.  For example:

ctrl a does not take you to the beginning of the paragraph. Rather it selects 
all the text.

Sean 


> On 20 May 2015, at 11:57 am, Eileen  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi George and Sean Again,
> 
> First, let me apologize to you Sean for misspelling your name. I have seen it 
> spelled 3 different ways 'now. I know this is slightly different then the 
> current subject line, but I'll post it anyways. Is the navigation in Word 
> 2016 following the voiceover commands found in let's say Pages or TextEdit? 
> Because I have been a heavy PC user of the Office Suite products, I keep 
> thinking that the Office Suite on the Mac would react the same with similar 
> keystroke equivalents. So, what I mean is on the Office PC side, one could 
> use ALT-H to open the "Home" tab and then arrow down to access the ribbon. On 
> the Mac, the ALT key is the Option key, so would this logic work? I just 
> closed out Word 2016, so I can't test that. I have an idea that the answer is 
> no. That's why I posed my question at the top of this post in order for me to 
> begin to rethink the whole Navigation process in Office on the Mac.
> 
> Thanks for my rambling and reading this.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 19, 2015, at 3:58 PM, george b  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, yes, I remember they moved it to the ribbon and I am not at my mac at 
>> this moment either or I would look.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2015 15:42
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs
>> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on 
>> the ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you 
>> step by step instructions.
>> 
>> In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
>> test them and also report them.
>> 
>> 
>> MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
>> doesn't stop you reporting the issue.
>> 
>> I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to 
>> MS directly to my contact.
>> 
>> So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
>> support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a 
>> perfect time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sean 
>> 
>> My experience is the part 
>> 
>>> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello All, 
>>> 
>>> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where 
>>> I need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
>>> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
>>> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want 
>>> to have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those 
>>> who need to use voiceover. 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance. 
>>> 
>>> Cheers, 
>>> Eileen  
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Re: Office 2016: Sending Feedback On Found Bugs

[Sean Murphy]

Hello,

The option to send feedback in relation to improvements or bugs is found on the 
ribbon bar. Not on the menu. I am not on my Mac, so I cannot give you step by 
step instructions.

In relation to bug reporting, everyone should post them here so other's can 
test them and also report them.


MS is aware of the table problem and spell check bugs.  In saying this, it 
doesn't stop you reporting the issue.

I will have to look into the list and header issues. I will report this to MS 
directly to my contact.

So if anyone else has issues, please post them so others are aware and can 
support your case. If you have idea's to improve also post. We have a perfect 
time to improve office for the Mac. Let's not miss it.


Sean 

My experience is the part 

> On 20 May 2015, at 3:28 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> Hello All, 
> 
> I know that this has been discussed before, but I have missed placed where I 
> need to send my feedback to (address) in regards to bugs that or features 
> that are not fixed or accessible to voiceover. I would appreciate it if 
> someone could post that email address. There are several items that I want to 
> have MS address or at least document that these are still bugs for those who 
> need to use voiceover. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> Eileen  
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Re: Microsoft Office for Mac 2016 Preview | Accessibility of Tables in MS Word

[Sean Murphy]

I have already reported this as a bug to Ms. Tables are worse in the latest 
release. I need to try Andy suggestion but you shouldn’t have to do this.

Also there is navigation problems with documents if you scroll up by line by 
line when in print view mode. Sometimes you cannot move to the next page and 
other times you can. If you are in draft mode you do not get this issue.

A lot more to test here.

Sean 
> On 19 May 2015, at 3:45 pm, Nicholas Parsons  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> Just downloaded the preview, and accessibility seems pretty good on first 
> glance when creating simple documents, even when using some of the built-in 
> templates.
> 
> However, I tried using Word to open some existing documents I was working on 
> at work, but couldn’t seem to interact with the tables.
> 
> Has anyone else played around with tables in the new MS Word preview? Did you 
> have any luck, or did you have difficulties like me?
> 
> Thanks for your comments. 
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Re: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Sean Murphy]

All,

A simple search on google provided the link.

https://products.office.com/en-us/office-2016-preview 
<https://products.office.com/en-us/office-2016-preview>

Sean  

> On 18 May 2015, at 5:48 am, Deb Lewis  wrote:
> 
> I’ve noticed that it doesn’t offer the updates but if you go to update, 
> you’ll get it if it’s there and it will download the updater if needed.
> I just check about once a week since it’s not too reliable about offering 
> them.
> 
>> On May 17, 2015, at 5:23 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Is the auto updater a separate download? I haven’t gotten a notification 
>> about an update here so i suspect i don’t have the update.
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 17 maj 2015 kl. 14:20 skrev denise avant :
>>> 
>>> hello all,
>>> How can one get a copy of office 2016 for the MAC?
>>> For example is it part of office 365?
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>>> On May 17, 2015, at 3:22 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sean,
>>>> 
>>>> Perfect!  Thank you so much for letting us know.  Do you see any more 
>>>> improvements, off hand?
>>>> 
>>>> Chris.
>>>> 
>>>> - Original Message - From: "Sean Murphy" 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:58 AM
>>>> Subject: Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
>>>>> update if you have already downloaded it before.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sean
>>>>> 
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Mac Office 2016 new pre-release is out

[Sean Murphy]

All,

A new release of Microsoft Office 2016 is now available via the automatic 
update if you have already downloaded it before. 

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Re: Identifying styles in Word

[Sean Murphy]

Anne,

That is good. But I would like MS Office to announce it for you when you press 
vo t or some other method then setting up hot keys.


> On 24 Apr 2015, at 5:45 pm, Anne Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Here is how to identify the current style in Word.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Anne
> 
> • Make sure you are focused on body text.
> • Interact with the Home ribbon tab group.
> • Navigate right to the Styles menu button and click it.
> • In the pop over, navigate to the Styles Pane checkbox.
> • Bring the mouse and click with the track pad (using VO-Space or 
> VO-Shift-Space may give the impression that the box is ticked, but the styles 
> task pane will not appear).
> • Press Escape to get out of the pop over.
> • Stop interacting with the ribbon.
> • Navigate right to Styles Task Pane.
> • Interact and navigate right to the scroll area.
> • Interact with the scroll area.
> • Navigate right once past Current style and set a hotspot on the menu button.
> • You can now press VO-Cmd-Hotspot number within the body of the document to 
> learn the current style.
> 
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Re: office preview for mac, Reading by Word??

[Sean Murphy]

There are some minor issues with navigation by word. That is if you have a word 
with a punctuation at the end. VO reads it twice when moving by opt left or 
right arrow. If the word is at the end of the line. VO will read out the word 
twice and then the punctuation when using opt left or right arrow.

In print view mode, you cannot navigate between pages by using the up and down 
arrow. You have to be in web or draft view modes.

Styles are not detected yet.

I cannot move by page either. Otherwise I have been successful in creating a 
document that is a page in half for my purposes.

Sean 
> On 24 Apr 2015, at 3:56 am, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> Hi Anne,
> 
> Yes, I can see what you mean.  It seems that in Word, Voiceover reports the 
> word in front of the cursor rather than the word which the cursor has just 
> passed when you move forward through the text with option+arrow key.  
> However, when you move through the words backwards, Voiceover will report the 
> words that the cursor has just passed.  I wonder whether it has something to 
> do with the way some screen readers on Windows work, like for instance Jaws.  
> This is going to take some getting used to.
> 
> Andrew
>> On 22 Apr 2015, at 21:59, Anne Robertson  wrote:
>> 
>> Editing in Word is Weird. When I do Option-Right Arrow, then just Right 
>> Arrow alone, it reads each letter of the word I just thought I’d jumped 
>> over. Also, Option-Left Arrow apparently takes me to the left of the word 
>> before the one I thought I’d jumped over.
>> 
>> I also have insertion point issues, but not consistently. Several times, 
>> I’ve pasted text only to find it’s in the wrong place.
>> 
>> As I said in a previous message, I haven’t used Word since Word 5, so I 
>> don’t know how many of the oddities are standard behaviour for Word.
>> 
>> Also, the spell check almost works, but VO doesn’t read the word in 
>> question! And has anyone figured out how to change the font? I opened a 
>> blank document and the font was set to Calibri and although I found the 
>> combo box, the menu showed me nothing.
>> 
>> I haven’t reported anything yet as I’m still feeling my way around it. I 
>> tried to insert a table, but the command was dimmed, and although I had 
>> words in my document, the word count said zero. This was strange because 
>> when I was working on my translation, the word count etc worked fine.
>> 
>> Also, when I worked on my translation, Word said it was in Compatibility 
>> mode but I couldn’t discover where this was set.
>> 
>> Sorry for the ramble.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Anne
>> 
>> 
>>> On 22 Apr 2015, at 22:31, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This seems to be an issue at the end of the line.  It's been reported by 
>>> other users on this list.  I have tried this and I can reproduce this 
>>> problem  At the end of the line the word reads twice when you land on it 
>>> and when you vo+arrow to the next line.  It makes me feel quite insecure in 
>>> the sense that I don't know which line I'm in.  Sometimes i have to go back 
>>> a word and forward again to make sure I've read the wrod word right.
>>> 
>>> I've reported it via the "feedback" option in Word itself but maybe if you 
>>> have the number or e-mail for microsoft office accessibility it would 
>>> certainly be worth reporting.  We must continue the pressure on microsoft 
>>> since its release of a promising product.
>>> 
>>> Andrew
 On 22 Apr 2015, at 18:44, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
  wrote:
 
 Hello,
 In the latest Office Preview for Mac, I cannot get Option Right Arrow to 
 read word by word.
 Option Left Arrow does seem to be reading prior words.
 I'm just wondering if this is specific to my system or has anyone tried 
 this out?
 Thanks.
 
 
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Re: office preview for mac, Reading by Word??

[Sean Murphy]

Hello,


There are many people on this list who have got it to work. What version are 
you using? Make sure you are using the latest before bashing their first beta 
release. It isn’t bug free but at least MS is stepping up to the plate to 
address the accessibility issues.

The version Version 15.9.0 (150408) is what I have on my machine. I don’t have 
the link at hand but it has been published multiple times on this list. Do a 
search in the archives and I am sure you will find it.

Those who help themselves will be helped in turned.
Sean 
> On 24 Apr 2015, at 3:32 am, Maurice Mines  wrote:
> 
> Good morning list, in response to this I can’t get Microsoft Word preview for 
> the Mac to work at all. Should I be just uninstalling it until this program 
> actually does something other than take up space on my hard drive? Because so 
> far I do the program and the Microsoft Office preview as a whole is 
> completely inaccessible which is about par for the course with this 
> particular kind of software. Unless someone can prove to me, and/or show me 
> that this is a viable product for anyone who is totally blind using the Mac 
> in the future. Any thoughts?
> 
> Sincerely Maurice mines.
> message number 505-369-3283.
> Note the text of this email that I have written, has been updated by using 
> Dragon 4.0 for the Mac. If there are any errors in the text of this message, 
> they are the result of either the software or the detention dictation process.
>> On Apr 23, 2015, at 7:30 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> A thought i got, isn’t there a setting in Voiceover where you make the 
>> cursor behave like it does in Windows rather than how it behaves on the Mac? 
>> What if you made an activity where you turned this behaviour on or if it’s 
>> on turn it off?
>> /Krister
>> 
>>> 22 apr 2015 kl. 22:59 skrev Anne Robertson :
>>> 
>>> Editing in Word is Weird. When I do Option-Right Arrow, then just Right 
>>> Arrow alone, it reads each letter of the word I just thought I’d jumped 
>>> over. Also, Option-Left Arrow apparently takes me to the left of the word 
>>> before the one I thought I’d jumped over.
>>> 
>>> I also have insertion point issues, but not consistently. Several times, 
>>> I’ve pasted text only to find it’s in the wrong place.
>>> 
>>> As I said in a previous message, I haven’t used Word since Word 5, so I 
>>> don’t know how many of the oddities are standard behaviour for Word.
>>> 
>>> Also, the spell check almost works, but VO doesn’t read the word in 
>>> question! And has anyone figured out how to change the font? I opened a 
>>> blank document and the font was set to Calibri and although I found the 
>>> combo box, the menu showed me nothing.
>>> 
>>> I haven’t reported anything yet as I’m still feeling my way around it. I 
>>> tried to insert a table, but the command was dimmed, and although I had 
>>> words in my document, the word count said zero. This was strange because 
>>> when I was working on my translation, the word count etc worked fine.
>>> 
>>> Also, when I worked on my translation, Word said it was in Compatibility 
>>> mode but I couldn’t discover where this was set.
>>> 
>>> Sorry for the ramble.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Anne
>>> 
>>> 
 On 22 Apr 2015, at 22:31, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
 
 This seems to be an issue at the end of the line.  It's been reported by 
 other users on this list.  I have tried this and I can reproduce this 
 problem  At the end of the line the word reads twice when you land on it 
 and when you vo+arrow to the next line.  It makes me feel quite insecure 
 in the sense that I don't know which line I'm in.  Sometimes i have to go 
 back a word and forward again to make sure I've read the wrod word right.
 
 I've reported it via the "feedback" option in Word itself but maybe if you 
 have the number or e-mail for microsoft office accessibility it would 
 certainly be worth reporting.  We must continue the pressure on microsoft 
 since its release of a promising product.
 
 Andrew
> On 22 Apr 2015, at 18:44, 'Jim Fettgather' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> In the latest Office Preview for Mac, I cannot get Option Right Arrow to 
> read word by word.
> Option Left Arrow does seem to be reading prior words.
> I'm just wondering if this is specific to my system or has anyone tried 
> this out?
> Thanks.
> 
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Re: A question about making headings on different levels with ms word.

[Sean Murphy]

All,

this is a bug. Word does not detect styles yet. Log it to MS.

> On 21 Apr 2015, at 2:15 am, Eileen Misrahi  h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jamie, 
> 
> I was successful in adding a heading 1 level in a doc, but what is missing is 
> having VO announce what type of style one has used. This is obtained with 
> JAWS on the PC side. The only way I knew it was applied was using the speak 
> attribute VO keystroke of VO-T. I know the font size of heading 1 style is 16 
> ptc. So, I’m not sure if obtaining more description of attributes in a Word 
> doc is a MS or an Apple glitch. Hence, I guess I will place this on my 
> running bug list to MS. Hopefully, MS will improve their Mac keystrokes in 
> order for more advance users of Word will think about making the switch. so 
> far, even with a learning curve, I am not convinced to use Word on the Mac. 
> To me, it’s very labor intensive, which would slow down productivity. 
> 
> Thanks 
> 
> Eileen again.
>> On Apr 20, 2015, at 6:37 AM, Jamie Pauls  wrote:
>> 
>> Place your cursor in the paragraph where you want to apply the style. Then, 
>> go to format and choose styles. I had to choose all styles before I could 
>> see the different heading levels. I am doing this from memory, so please 
>> forgive any errors.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 20, 2015, at 7:51 AM, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all.
>>> 
>>> Ok I have installed the preview of office. I have looked a little at word. 
>>> How do you make a heading on a level e.g. level 2.
>>> 
>>> I have never liked office on windows, but i like it on the mac.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
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Excel navigation issues

[Sean Murphy]

All,

If you come across bugs, I think it would be excellent to share with everyone 
so we can confirm the bugs. If more people report the same bugs to MS, then 
they can prioritise the bugs accordingly.

Excel Navigation 

Excel does not scroll correctly in normal or full screen mode. If you use the 
down arrow or right arrow. The cursor will eventually stop. To fix this issue 
you have to page right or page down depending on your direction of navigation. 
Page down is when you are moving down by rows. Page right is for moving across 
the column. Likewise you have to issue page up and page left if you want to 
navigate backwards.

Steps to reproduce:

1. Interact with the  spreadsheet sheet.
2. Press the right arrow key. Eventually you will wrap to the 1st cell on the 
next row.
3. Press the down arrow key. Keep doing this until you hear the beep. This is 
as far as you can go.
4. Press the page down key and the cursor will be on the next cell. You can 
press up arrow and it will beep.

Cheers
Sean 

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Re: sending feedback on the beta of office / preview

[Sean Murphy]

All,

Go to the ribbon bar and select the Help to improve office menu bar. This is 
the method to feedback to MS.

The ribbon bar is the top level of objects that are available.

Sean 
Example steps when in Excel:
> On 17 Apr 2015, at 2:20 am, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
> wrote:
> 
> Youngs?  Um, I think you mean Yosemite?
>  
> Chris.
>  
>> - Original Message - 
>> From: george b 
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 12:01 PM
>> Subject: RE: sending feedback on the beta of office / preview
>> 
>> Well it is the operating system for mac
>>  
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>  
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>> Gilland
>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 08:48
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> Subject: Re: sending feedback on the beta of office / preview
>>  
>> Youngs 10.10?  What's that?
>>  
>> Chris.
>>  
>>> - Original Message - 
>>> From: george b 
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 16, 2015 10:07 AM
>>> Subject: sending feedback on the beta of office / preview
>>>  
>>> I was in word preview beta, and went to help, send feedback, and I was 
>>> asked things about yuns. 10.10.  how do we send feedback to microsoft?
>>>  
>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>>  
>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Christopher-Mark 
>>> Gilland
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 11:48
>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>>> Subject: Here's the number to Microsoft's Accessibility help desk to brag 
>>> about Office.
>>>  
>>> If you wanna call MS and do like I did, by telling them what a great job 
>>> this update is, here is their number:
>>>  
>>> 1-800-936-5900.
>>>  
>>> Chris.
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Re: something to push adobe to make their applications accessible

[Sean Murphy]

Flash is on the way out, HTML5 is replacing it.


> On 15 Apr 2015, at 2:10 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>  wrote:
> 
> Interesting twist. Of course I would guess you would have to show that you 
> really did experience harm from their problematic updater rather than just 
> the potential of harm. I just tried doing the updater by downloading it from 
> the Adobe Flash web site and it seemed somewhat usable. It downloads as a 
> disk image, I open that up and find the updater app, open that up and it asks 
> about how to handle future updates with a couple unlabeled radio buttons but 
> the descriptive text is to the right of each one. So I pick one and continue 
> and after a bit it finished. You do have to quit Safari or the updater will 
> complain and stop. Of course once it's installed it still doesn't make the 
> content generated by Flash accessible. This was on OSX 10.10.3.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 4/14/15 11:48 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
>> Even if the technology may put your computer at risk for data theft because 
>> as a screen reader user, you can’t access the updater through it’s 
>> application?
>> 
>>  
>>> On 15/04/2015, at 1:41 pm, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm, usually the web lawsuits I've read revolve around lack of access to a 
>>> particular service or product and not around a particular technology. So if 
>>> the Target or United Airlines web site was inaccessible because of using 
>>> Flash, that would put those companies on the hook for choosing their 
>>> internet technology poorly, not Adobe. Not sure outside the states but I 
>>> think US private sector doesn't have a requirement to make any old web 
>>> site/technology accessible although the circuit courts are split on whether 
>>> the ADA applies or not. Two cases were dismissed in the 9th circuit on 
>>> April 1st (Netflix and Ebay) because neither company has a physical place. 
>>> I think that's too narrow but I'm not a lawyer.
>>> 
>>> CB
>>> 
>>> On 4/14/15 8:46 PM, Yuma Decaux wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I was doing some house cleaning and saw a flash player image opened in my 
 disk utility. I wondered what the hell the flash player image was doing 
 there, though I hadn’t opened a disk image for a year or so. Then I 
 checked whether the updater was accessible. No go. There are several 
 critical updates since I last installed it, not knowing where or which 
 site incorporates flash. However, I’ve installed a plugin to deny flash 
 any playing since it’s just not accessible.
 
 Then I started turning wheels in my head and thought maybe a good way to 
 get adobe to make their flash accessible, or at least their setup/update 
 interface is to sue them for no accessibility, on the ground that screen 
 reader users cannot access the critical updates through the alerts we are 
 given when they are available. This may put computers at risk etc etc, but 
 the point is not to make money (which i doubt in any perspective is 
 possible on such a case) but to spotlight the fact that they have NOT made 
 their flash component accessible, or any other as a matter of fact.
 
 I know flash is in decline, but it still exists around. And I don’t want 
 my system to be unsecure through an opening I have no control of, due to 
 its inaccessibility.
 
 Open to discussion
 
 Best regards,
 
 
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Re: Muting speech in a application or a window for a app.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi

Thanks for that. I haveall looked at activities and i did not find any options. 
Did set up keyboard commander with a mute speech key shortcut. 



My experience is the part 

> On 12 Apr 2015, at 5:06 pm, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
> You can set up an activity to do this. I do not use activities so someone 
> more knowledgeable will can chime in here. But I know it can be done.
> 
>> On 12/04/2015 07:25, Sean Murphy wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> 
>> Can you mute VO when you open a specific app? I could not find any option in 
>> accessibility settings. also how do you map a key to the mute speech?
>> 
>> Ideally, I would like to mute the text for a window only. But this is a tall 
>> ask.
>> 
>> Sean
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Muting speech in a application or a window for a app.

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.


Can you mute VO when you open a specific app? I could not find any option in 
accessibility settings. also how do you map a key to the mute speech?

Ideally, I would like to mute the text for a window only. But this is a tall 
ask.

Sean 

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Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior

[Sean Murphy]

In relation to the original post to the thread. If I move my finger to the top 
left hand corner. I hear the signal strength of the mobile. If I move to the 
right on the same line of the status bar. I hear my mobile (cellular) provider. 
Then I hear the wireless signal and then the SID of the wireless. this is all 
done on a IPhone 5. 

In relation to Bugs. Of course there are priorities. Therefore, if 100k user’s 
have a issue compared to 10k users (k = 1000) then product management will 
allocate the necessary resources to the larger number of people being effected. 
Thus bugs related to VO are going to be lower on the list always. Unless the 
bug is truly impacting the product and the end-user. What they call a show 
stopper. EG: crashes is one that will get higher attention due to QA.

8.x has some real major bugs related to navigation in apps. 8.3 might have 
fixed the issue in Audible where you couldn’t navigate through the books in 
your library in any normal order. It would jump over book details and would not 
move backwards. Still playing with this.

Emails also jump over the place where I have found after deleting an email, you 
end up in a different location, rather then being on the next message. 

all the above issues did not occur in 7.x. Thus why the QA in my humble opinion 
was not done correctly in the first place. There is a lot of posts out there 
that also complain that 8.x was not as stable as previous versions.

Sean 
> On 12 Apr 2015, at 2:21 pm, The Believer  wrote:
> 
>   Thanks for that, it should be a good read and I have bookmarked it.
> 
> From The Believer. . .
>   By way of the Chariots of the
> Gods cameth the Aliens who
> dwelt amongst the humans,
> and bringeth much knowledge.
> 
> On 4/11/2015 9:17 PM, 'Chris Blouch' via MacVisionaries wrote:
>> In case you're not familiar with some of this philosophy:
>> 
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_is_the_enemy_of_good
>> 
>> "Watson-Watt, who developed early warning radar in Britain to counter
>> the rapid growth of the Luftwaffe, propounded a "cult of the imperfect",
>> which he stated as "Give them the third best to go on with; the second
>> best comes too late, the best never comes.""
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 4/11/15 4:24 PM, The Believer wrote:
>>> The day Apple masters perfection is the day we each one of us wins the
>>> Powerball.
>>> 
>>>   It's called "work in progress". If people wait for an OS that is
>>> 100% bug free, they be in for a long wait.
>>> 
>>>   This wee buglet that has drawn so much interest did not break
>>> anything, or am I missing something? I tried it and did not experience
>>> an earth shattering meltdown. If this really bothers people, let them
>>> pile on Apple Accessibility with bug reports and divert their
>>> attention from much more important bugs.
>>> 
>>> From The Believer. . .
>>>   By way of the Chariots of the
>>> Gods cameth the Aliens who
>>> dwelt amongst the humans,
>>> and bringeth much knowledge.
>>> 
>>> On 4/11/2015 1:15 PM, Robin wrote:
>>>> I thought the advent of "public" BetaTesting would resolve these
>>>> perceived "bugs' and/or "flaws" in Apple's iOS (iOS8 & Beyond)
>>>> 
>>>> This doesn't make me more secure about forthcoming/upcoming iOS updates
>>>> such as, iOS9
>>>> 
>>>> I suggest keep the pressure on by detailing perceived "bugs" and/or
>>>> "flaws" detected in iOS in the form of Constructive Criticism to Apple's
>>>> Accessibility Department
>>>> 
>>>> Is Apple "slipping as it pertains to accessibility...only time will tell
>>>> the true story
>>>> At 05:06 AM 4/11/2015, you wrote:
>>>>> When companies say they have fixed bugs, I take it like a pinch of
>>>>> salt, as from beta testing in the past [not Apple], things are still
>>>>> the same. Still bugs when you write Braille with Braille displays on
>>>>> the I phone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It's our day for slagging Apple perhaps smily.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> > On 11 Apr 2015, at 12:53 pm, Sean Murphy 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another
>>>>> bug with something that was working.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > My experience is the part
>>>>> >

Re: HBO Now on iPhone 5S

[Sean Murphy]

Right to the company and make them aware. 

My experience is the part 

> On 11 Apr 2015, at 10:44 am, Jenine Stanley  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. Discouraging but thanks and glad you were able to figure this out.
> Jenine Stanley
> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2015, at 6:58 PM, Brett C.  wrote:
>> 
>> This is what I've managed with sighted assistance. If you slide your finger 
>> above the title of the program you wish to play, voiceover doesn't say 
>> anything, but there is a picture. Place your finger in that sort of silent 
>> area, turn off voiceover and tap the screen. If you're lucky, the video will 
>> start. It's hit and miss.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 10, 2015, at 4:39 PM, Jenine Stanley  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> So I just signed up for HBO Now and am trying to play videos on my phone. I 
>>> assume this is possible and from the help screens I’m told to tap on the 
>>> thumbnail to play the video. All I get are titles and when double tapping 
>>> on them, the detail screens appear with no way to play the video itself. 
>>> You can play the preview but not the video. 
>>> 
>>> anyone have any tricks on this? Haven’t tried it on my Apple TV yet and I’m 
>>> sure there will be an accessible play button there but where is it on the 
>>> phone? 
>>> Jenine Stanley
>>> dragonwalke...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: IoS 8.3, strange behavior

[Sean Murphy]

How am i not surprised that the email bug is not fix. Now another bug with 
something that was working. 

My experience is the part 

> On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:43 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Using an iPhone 6 Plus, there is the same bug.
> 
> Another problem, which has not been fixed yet, is the focus in email, when 
> you go to read a message, it suddenly disappears. This has been the case 
> since the new operating system came out. So to bugs, not been fixed.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11 Apr 2015, at 8:15 am, Shen  wrote:
>> 
>> I updated my iPhone 6 yesterday to iOS 8.3 and immediately noticed something 
>> a little strange. It doesn't affect how iOS or the phone works, but the fact 
>> that this is even possible is very strange, and a little funny.
>> 
>> If you updated your phone to iOS 8.3, try the following:
>> First, remember that at the top of the screen, where your status is, 1 of 
>> the items is your network. This tells you the name of the network you are 
>> using, AT&T, Verizon, Virgin Mobile, etc.
>> Now open 1 of the following apps: Calendar, Notes, Weather, Music, Photos, 
>> or Reminders. These are the apps I've tested so far.
>> With 1 of these apps open, now check your network name again. Does VoiceOver 
>> still say the name of your network?
>> Mine does not. Visually, my phone is still showing the name of my network. 
>> But VoiceOver says, "Swipe down with 3 fingers to reveal the Notification 
>> Center. Swipe up with 3 fingers to reveal the Control Center. Double tap to 
>> scroll to top".
>> 
>> So far, I've been able to verify this rather interesting behavior with 3 
>> iPhone 6's. I'm going to try it on a 6 Plus shortly.
>> 
>> I'd like to know if anyone else is haring VoiceOver saying the same thing to 
>> them.
>> 
>> Might be another call to Apple Accessibility.
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Re: Microsoft RDP on Mac problem

[Sean Murphy]

Hello 


I am very interested in finding out more about your RPD solution. If you are 
running this on the Mac platform. I assume you are running Jaws or like screen 
reader on the other end? If so, how successful is the controlling of windows 
and the screen reader? Can you copy things from the windows platform like files 
and web content?

Please let me know, since I have been looking for a solution of this type.

Sean 
> On 24 Mar 2015, at 3:48 am, Tyler  wrote:
> 
> SOLVED: Of course I figured this out shortly after posting. I'll post the 
> reason for this rather strange problem for anyone who might encounter the 
> same thing.
> 
> I accidentally set RDP to use "High 8-bit color". This is why I assumed high 
> contrast was enabled. Because JAWS takes over the video card it couldn't 
> handle the 8-bit color and thus the machine pulled the blue screen. I'm not 
> sure who's to blame for this. Microsoft for putting 8-bit color in RDP to 
> begin with or Freedom Scientific for having an application that can crash the 
> machine in such a way. Either way, problem solved (don't use 8-bit color)
> 
> On Monday, March 23, 2015 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-6, Tyler wrote:
> Hey Everybody, 
> 
> So I’m using Microsoft RDP for the Mac which has worked surprisingly 
> well considering it’s a Microsoft product running on apple technology. I 
> recently ran into a spectacularly interesting problem that I’m wondering if 
> anybody can shed some light on. One of my remote desktop sessions was 
> connecting to a Lady’s Machine, her machine was running JAWS (at the time 14) 
> and she had high-contrast turned on. Now obviously JAWS doesn’t play well 
> with remote sessions but that’s not really the problem. 
> 
> The first time I remoted into her machine everything went well, there 
> were no errors and I logged out. The second time when I remoted in to her 
> machine it got the “blue screen of death” and proceeded to crash and restart. 
> It’s also worth noting that a couple of weeks after I remoted in the first 
> time JAWS started acting up, apparently cutting out frequently. Every since 
> my second remote session I simply cannot remote into her machine without it 
> crashing and getting that infamous blue screen. 
> 
> Okay so it was time for her to get a new machine anyways, so we 
> ordered her a new computer (rather nice, HP, i7 processor etc…) and I started 
> setting it up. Now for reasons unrelated to this issue I usually set up a 
> machine remotely, even if it’s sitting in my office and this is where life 
> gets weird. We have everybody set up on an Active Directory domain so in 
> order to remote into the new machine I duplicated her old Remote desktop 
> profile and just changed the machine name to match the new one I was setting 
> up. 
> 
> Upon doing this I realized that her machine was in high-contrast. I 
> assumed it was some how tied into her AD profile. The machine ran fine, I was 
> able to set up everything as normal (installed office, the free version of 
> Window Eyes etc…). Then I installed JAWS 16 (the demo version from the 
> freedom scientific website). The moment JAWS ran for the first time her brand 
> new computer had the same blue screen and proceeded to crash and restart. 
> 
> The first thing to mention is I’ve got other people on our network 
> who are running JAWS and have remoted into their machines using Mac RDP 
> without issue. The next thing is that a colleague of mine remoted in using 
> windows RDP without issue to BOTH machines mentioned in this email. 
> Eventually I solved the issue by deleting both RDP profiles and re-creating 
> them. I can now remote in to both machines without issue. 
> 
> So to sum up my questions does anybody have any clue how or why this 
> remote desktop profile on the Mac would crash the remote machine ONLY when 
> JAWS is running? These problems were inexplicably tied in with JAWS 
> (debateable whether high-contrast had an effect). We have enough JAWS users 
> on the network that it’s worth my time to try and track down this issue.
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Re: vpn service

[Sean Murphy]

Team,

There is a difference between VPN and hiding your IP address. Unblocks is a 
service that you can use to hide your address. You point your DNs to their 
server and this is all you have to do. It is about $5.00 per month USA. This is 
how I gain access to information on the net that blocks my IP address due to 
location.

VPN’s will encrypt your traffic from your PC to the VPN server. Then it will 
route the traffic unencrypted to the destination site if it is not on the VPN. 

So be careful on what you want to achieve. If you want to just gain access to 
content from TV providers and the like. Unblocks is the way to go.

Sean 
> On 22 Mar 2015, at 10:06 am, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> The way I do multiple geographic VPN servers with Vypr is to simply set up 
> multiple profiles in iOS settings.  From what I’ve heard of HMA, that’s 
> actually the right way to do it there, too, because every time you switch 
> region you need a fresh VPN profile.  Indeed, if you can get the app to work 
> for you, Vypr are making a big thing of not needing that; you install a 
> profile just once, and they use DNS redirection to send you to the right 
> server according to your choice in the app.
> 
> My understanding is that HMA excels in server location diversity, whereas 
> Vypr is clearly very good at protocol support, better at privacy, and 
> delivers variable speeds (some people report it is the worst in their 
> benchmark tests for some regions).  I, needing only the UK and Turkey, found 
> no difficulty there, because the connectivity is fine, but having fewer 
> servers means you do need to be close to a server in order to gain the 
> speeds.  However I must tell you that I never did sign up for HMA.  Vypr 
> simply met all my requirements, and the free trial checked out OK for me, so 
> I signed up for Basic for a year.
> 
> Cheers,
> Sabahattin
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Re: office 2016 preview

[Sean Murphy]

Not yet for accessablity. 

My experience is the part 

> On 5 Mar 2015, at 10:30 am, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
> 
> Has anyone tried the new office 2016 preview released today?
>  
> I’m going to try and install it in a few minutes.
>  
> Best,
>  
> Juan M. Hernandez
> Access technology Specialist
> Braille Institute of America
> 4555 Executive Drive
> San Diego CA, 92121
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Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Sean Murphy]

Barry,

I agree we are not on the same page. Below are the steps to reproduce the issue 
I have outlined.

1. Open terminal and interact  with the text area of the terminal.
2. Issue a ls -l on a directory with a lot of files/directories. Lets say over 
25 files.
3. Now use vo-up arrow to move up the screen. Keep going for at least 5 to 6 
lines.
7. You want to go to the end of the line so you can read out the file name. 
There is no keystroke to do this. Since VO cannot move you to the end of the 
current line. You have to either move by word towards the right or move down 
the line and move left by word.

When I refer to the history buffer, I was not referring to the command history 
buffer. But the history of the previous information being displayed. Only way 
to review this information is via the VO cursor. I review a lot of log outputs 
from devices that I connect to via the terminal. Thus the information scrolls 
off the screen and you can use the VO cursor to move to the beginning of a 
output that shows over 100 lines of info. It would be really nice if you could 
jump to the beginning and end of the current line that you are currently 
reviewing when you have moved up the screen using the VO cursor. You do not 
want to move the insert cursor when you do this. It is like a pre-view of past 
displayed information.




> On 16 Feb 2015, at 10:16 am, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> Sean,
> 
> I’m not sure what you’re having trouble with here.  It appears that we are 
> not communicating.
> As I pointed out, the vo cursor tracks with the insertion point.
> There is no specific vo command to move vo to the beginning of a line.  You 
> move the insertion point and if vo doesn’t track, then you rout vo to it.
> I explained how to read the output console where there isn’t an insertion 
> point.  It will put vo at the begining of a line for review.
> 
> You scrole through the command history buffer with up and doun arrows.
> 
> On Feb 15, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Sean Murphy  <mailto:mhysnm1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> Barry
> 
> I am not talking about moving the insert cursor  rather the Voice-Over cursor 
> to the beginning of the line. CTRL A and like commands only move the insert 
> cursor  there is no command to move the Voice-Over cursor to the beginning of 
> the line when you are reveiwing the history buffer. 
> 
> My experience is the part 
> 
> On 16 Feb 2015, at 2:33 am, Barry Hadder  <mailto:bhad...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> What do you mean by saying you can’t move to the beginning of a line in 
>> terminal?
>> On the command line or in a text editor such as emacs , do the following:
>> control-a moves the insertion to the beginning of a line and Voiceover 
>> tracks.
>> control-e moves to the end of a line.
>> option-f move forward a word.
>> option-b moves backwards a word.
>> Note that you need to go into terminal options/profiles/keyboard and make 
>> sure the use option as meta key is checked to some of those commands to work.
>> 
>> As far as reviewing output written to the console, you can move vo to the 
>> line above the one you want to review than vo-right will put you at the 
>> begining of the line in question.  You can then review it with vo-right/left 
>> or vo-shift-right/left.
>> 
>> On Feb 15, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Sean Murphy > <mailto:mhysnm1...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> David and all,
>> 
>> I agree with your approach. As a user of technology for over 30 years now. 
>> There is no one solution. If you lock yourself into one solution, then you 
>> will find down the track at some time your lack of knowledge and expertise 
>> has left you behind requiring a major re-learning.
>> 
>> Is the Mac platform without problems? No. Is it apples fault or the vendors 
>> fault. Both. If the product has lack of accessibility and comes from the 
>> Vendor like Microsoft. Then the issue lies in their court. But if there is 
>> features that could make your life easier on the Mac platform then that lies 
>> in apples court. Some areas of improvement I would like to see and have send 
>> to accessi...@apple.com <mailto:accessi...@apple.com> are:
>> 
>> Improved access to terminal. As yet, you cannot move to the beginning of a 
>> line in Terminal. You can go to the top of the window, to the first line of 
>> the visible text, but not to the beginning of the line you are reviewing 
>> with VO. This feature would be very useful when reviewing information in any 
>> program.
>> 
>> The challenge with bugs that are reported is how Apple rank them to be 
>> fixed. I do not know how much weighting they give to Voice-Over style bugs. 
>> The other challenge 

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Sean Murphy]

Barry

I am not talking about moving the insert cursor  rather the Voice-Over cursor 
to the begining of the line. CTRL A and like commands only move the insert 
cursor  there is no command to move the Voice-Over cursor to the beginning of 
the line when you are reveiwing the history buffer. 

My experience is the part 

> On 16 Feb 2015, at 2:33 am, Barry Hadder  wrote:
> 
> What do you mean by saying you can’t move to the beginning of a line in 
> terminal?
> On the command line or in a text editor such as emacs , do the following:
> control-a moves the insertion to the beginning of a line and Voiceover tracks.
> control-e moves to the end of a line.
> option-f move forward a word.
> option-b moves backwards a word.
> Note that you need to go into terminal options/profiles/keyboard and make 
> sure the use option as meta key is checked to some of those commands to work.
> 
> As far as reviewing output written to the console, you can move vo to the 
> line above the one you want to review than vo-right will put you at the 
> begining of the line in question.  You can then review it with vo-right/left 
> or vo-shift-right/left.
> 
> On Feb 15, 2015, at 12:21 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
> David and all,
> 
> I agree with your approach. As a user of technology for over 30 years now. 
> There is no one solution. If you lock yourself into one solution, then you 
> will find down the track at some time your lack of knowledge and expertise 
> has left you behind requiring a major re-learning.
> 
> Is the Mac platform without problems? No. Is it apples fault or the vendors 
> fault. Both. If the product has lack of accessibility and comes from the 
> Vendor like Microsoft. Then the issue lies in their court. But if there is 
> features that could make your life easier on the Mac platform then that lies 
> in apples court. Some areas of improvement I would like to see and have send 
> to accessi...@apple.com are:
> 
> Improved access to terminal. As yet, you cannot move to the beginning of a 
> line in Terminal. You can go to the top of the window, to the first line of 
> the visible text, but not to the beginning of the line you are reviewing with 
> VO. This feature would be very useful when reviewing information in any 
> program.
> 
> The challenge with bugs that are reported is how Apple rank them to be fixed. 
> I do not know how much weighting they give to Voice-Over style bugs. The 
> other challenge is the period between fixes. If a bug is reported and 
> verified on the Mac Platform. It could take years before it is fixed. While 
> bugs on Windows screen readers do take a lot shorter period of time to get 
> fix. some bugs on both platforms never get fixed because they might not be 
> able to validate the bug, to complex, breaks to many other features,  Product 
> management slates more important features to be address and the poor old 
> developer hasn’t got time to address the bug, etc. this is the nature of the 
> beast when using a major main stream vendor  vs small vendors. Normally small 
> vendors are faster to respond to issues then larger because of their internal 
> processes and competing other priorities in the organisation.
> 
> On the iPhone I will admit 8.xx version of iOS is the worst release I have 
> seen from Apple. crashes of Voice-Over, Voice-over being stuck on elements 
> within Audible and other programs, Voice-over not responding to taps, When 
> swiping through a app VO jus to different areas of the app, not the next item 
> and so on.  Everything I have outlined here has not been seen in 7.xx and it 
> is just to much hassle to role back. I have reported some of the issues I 
> have found and the response from apple was not very encouraging.  EG: We have 
> forwarded your issue on to the product owner. That means nothing and far as I 
> am concern they have passed on the buck to someone else and the issue has 
> gone into a black hole. Their customer management could improve greatly. Then 
> I am a customer of them and a small one at that. Thus if I walk, it doesn’t 
> hurt them. this is the problem when a company is the favour of the year and 
> is growing like apple.  Microsoft and other large companies when they were on 
> the up swing of market growth went through the same problems. So it isn’t 
> anything new what I have outlined.
> 
> Sean 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 13 Feb 2015, at 11:31 am, David Griffith  wrote:
>> 
>> I too must confess that I am not a braille user on the Mac so cannot comment 
>> on how frustrating this is. however there do seem to be  a lot of people 
>> using Braille happily on the MacVisionaries list so perhaps there is some 
>> expertise you can tap into there to get support. Apart from that I ag

Re: quality of osx with voiceover for people with dissablities

[Sean Murphy]

David and all,

I agree with your approach. As a user of technology for over 30 years now. 
There is no one solution. If you lock yourself into one solution, then you will 
find down the track at some time your lack of knowledge and expertise has left 
you behind requiring a major re-learning.

Is the Mac platform without problems? No. Is it apples fault or the vendors 
fault. Both. If the product has lack of accessibility and comes from the Vendor 
like Microsoft. Then the issue lies in their court. But if there is features 
that could make your life easier on the Mac platform then that lies in apples 
court. Some areas of improvement I would like to see and have send to 
accessi...@apple.com  are:

Improved access to terminal. As yet, you cannot move to the beginning of a line 
in Terminal. You can go to the top of the window, to the first line of the 
visible text, but not to the beginning of the line you are reviewing with VO. 
This feature would be very useful when reviewing information in any program.

The challenge with bugs that are reported is how Apple rank them to be fixed. I 
do not know how much weighting they give to Voice-Over style bugs. The other 
challenge is the period between fixes. If a bug is reported and verified on the 
Mac Platform. It could take years before it is fixed. While bugs on Windows 
screen readers do take a lot shorter period of time to get fix. some bugs on 
both platforms never get fixed because they might not be able to validate the 
bug, to complex, breaks to many other features,  Product management slates more 
important features to be address and the poor old developer hasn’t got time to 
address the bug, etc. this is the nature of the beast when using a major main 
stream vendor  vs small vendors. Normally small vendors are faster to respond 
to issues then larger because of their internal processes and competing other 
priorities in the organisation.

On the iPhone I will admit 8.xx version of iOS is the worst release I have seen 
from Apple. crashes of Voice-Over, Voice-over being stuck on elements within 
Audible and other programs, Voice-over not responding to taps, When swiping 
through a app VO jus to different areas of the app, not the next item and so 
on.  Everything I have outlined here has not been seen in 7.xx and it is just 
to much hassle to role back. I have reported some of the issues I have found 
and the response from apple was not very encouraging.  EG: We have forwarded 
your issue on to the product owner. That means nothing and far as I am concern 
they have passed on the buck to someone else and the issue has gone into a 
black hole. Their customer management could improve greatly. Then I am a 
customer of them and a small one at that. Thus if I walk, it doesn’t hurt them. 
this is the problem when a company is the favour of the year and is growing 
like apple.  Microsoft and other large companies when they were on the up swing 
of market growth went through the same problems. So it isn’t anything new what 
I have outlined.

Sean 





> On 13 Feb 2015, at 11:31 am, David Griffith  wrote:
> 
> I too must confess that I am not a braille user on the Mac so cannot comment 
> on how frustrating this is. however there do seem to be  a lot of people 
> using Braille happily on the MacVisionaries list so perhaps there is some 
> expertise you can tap into there to get support. Apart from that I agree with 
> all 
> Barry has said. I also agree that there are areas that the experience on the 
> Mac can improve but equally I could compile a much longer list of complaints 
> / disappointments with Windows and the various Screenreaders and Windows OS 
> problems. . . Only today I was experiencing the frustration of Jaw’s 
> inability to accurately copy and paste text to and from   ,html content. This 
> is a long standing annoyance at what should be a basic function which has 
> existed for me since Jaws 14 and shows no sign of being resolved in 16.
> I can work around it by using NVDA but this and other deficiencies definitely 
> exist on Windows. I still prefer the Mac overwhelmingly for many functions, 
> including web browsing.
> The Mac also provides for free a voice dictation and command interface which 
> forme personally outperforms anything I have bought on the Windows 
> platform, including Dragon Naturally   Speaking.
> 
> I agree that there is a problem with the implementation of advance Office 
> support on the Mac. However this is to a large extent about the lack of depth 
> in the compilation of strategies compared to the information, tutorials and 
> guides available on the Windows side. Apple has relatively little interest in 
> promoting Microsoft Office and will pay lip service only to supporting this 
> format in many cases. This is understandable given the competing nature of 
> their suites.
> Hopefully there is a lot to look forward to when the allegedly fully 
> Voiceover accessible version of Mi

Re: Reading a PDF in Preview

[Sean Murphy]

The Office apps on iOS works but is not as user friendly as the Windows 
version. You can read documents and I have not yet check tables. But there is a 
lot of info you do not get access that you do under windows.

Sean 
> On 15 Feb 2015, at 6:20 am, Angus MacKinnon  wrote:
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> What is then your opinion of the Office for iPad? since you talk about using 
> Word in a VM Ware Fusion.
> 
> Angus MacKinnon
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Pages questions.

[Sean Murphy]

All.

In pages, how do you find out if a text is indented and by how much? vo cmd f3 
f3 only gives you the window position. Will VO automatically announce new 
indents or justifications such as centre?
Does VO tell you the type of Tab?

If yes to any of the above, what is the keystroke?

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Re: the graphicsless paradigm

[Sean Murphy]

If people want to do an open source solution of what have been outlined here, 
go for it. I would be very interested to see if anyone would take it up. A lot 
of work. There was a screen reader on the windows which used a tree view like 
structure to navigate the GUI. It was a German product from memory. Don’t know 
if it still exists and it was removing the visual aspects away from the vision 
impaired person. A very interesting concept.

The Orca people haven’t gone in this direction either. This would be one 
environment the described concept could be tested in to see if it could be 
achieved.

I don’t have the programming skills to help here.


Sean 


On 7 Jan 2015, at 12:44 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:

> Hi Shawn,
> 
> Thanks for your input. 
> 
> Sometimes it's good to see where this corporate behaviour is going. Are you 
> hitting the spot completely? Am I right? Who cares? Essentially there's an 
> interest, and there is creating the environment to facilitate the idea.
> 
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> Mob: +612102277190
> Skype: Shainobi1
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/01/2015, at 8:10 pm, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> 
>> I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is 
>> going to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined on 
>> this thread. It will not occur due to no market.  We are .5% of the market 
>> thus there is no business requirement for them and they will not get their 
>> ROI.
>> 
>> The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to learn. 
>> people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now.
>> 
>> Sean 
>> On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the 
>>> organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>> Mob: +612102277190
>>> Skype: Shainobi1
>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is
>>>> specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't
>>>> it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year
>>>> NFB convention?
>>>> 
>>>> On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic
>>>>> outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the
>>>>> lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself
>>>>> cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks
>>>>> which voice over relies on.
>>>>> 
>>>>> However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the
>>>>> animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a 
>>>>> UI
>>>>> which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with 
>>>>> plain
>>>>> black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no 
>>>>> transition
>>>>> animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go "hey I'm here" etc etc. This 
>>>>> can
>>>>> free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>>>> Mob: +612102277190
>>>>> Skype: Shainobi1
>>>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White  wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BobH.  wrote:
>>>>>>> I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are
>>>>>>> 99%
>>>>>>> eye candy or effects;  and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> DOS worked so well, cos it

Re: Transferring audio content questions

[Sean Murphy]

Get audiobook builder it will do it for you.
On 7 Jan 2015, at 11:22 am, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> Hello:
> I purchased a group of audio downloads from a web site. We have 15 disks that 
> are zipped up, disk 1, disk 2, etc. When you unzip each disk, you have 41 
> tracks in each folder. ie. audio disk 1, and track 1, track, 2, etc. There 
> are no tags, just folders labeled disk 1, disk 2, and under track 1, track 2, 
> etc. I want to somehow transfer these audio disks to my ipod nano and iphone. 
> I need the tracks to play in order since they re Spanish lessons, and each 
> disk has to have the tracks play in order. How can I accomplish this?
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Re: the graphicsless paradigm

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Hi all,


I have to go against the grain. If you think Apple or any other vendor is going 
to spend time on building a non-graphical environment as outlined on this 
thread. It will not occur due to no market.  We are .5% of the market thus 
there is no business requirement for them and they will not get their ROI.

The CLI on the Mac does provide text base applications if you like to learn. 
people like things to be easy, thus why we have GUI now.

Sean 
On 3 Jan 2015, at 5:19 am, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:

> 
> Where and when is the nFB? I heard a few conflicting ideas about the 
> organisation. But I would take the momentum to engage the voice.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Yuma Antoine Decaux
> "Light has no value without darkness"
> Mob: +612102277190
> Skype: Shainobi1
> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 2/01/2015, at 12:59 pm, Joanne Chua  wrote:
>> 
>> What about if we start asking Apple to make some products that is
>> specificly for voiceover, and don't worry about GPU at all hey? Won't
>> it be great? Maybe, someone might want to bring this up on this year
>> NFB convention?
>> 
>> On 02/01/2015, Yuma Antoine Decaux  wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> What I'm trying to induce here is the sense that no matter the graphic
>>> outline, everything starts graphicsless and elements are pulled out of the
>>> lower layers, such as kernel, login daemons etc. The graphics layer itself
>>> cannot be omitted since it is also the core of a lot of coco frameworks
>>> which voice over relies on.
>>> 
>>> However, when I say graphcsless, I mean to place to a minimum all of the
>>> animations and flash and graphics that appear. I would easily visualise a UI
>>> which borders, buttons and everything else are just placeholders with plain
>>> black and borders that don't load images. No background image, no transition
>>> animations, no stupid bouncing apps that go "hey I'm here" etc etc. This can
>>> free up ressources and reserve them for voice over itself.
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yuma Antoine Decaux
>>> "Light has no value without darkness"
>>> Mob: +612102277190
>>> Skype: Shainobi1
>>> twitter: http://www.twitter.com/triple7
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 2/01/2015, at 10:03 am, Jason White  wrote:
 
 BobH.  wrote:
> I think a lot of us have said for a good while, that modern 'puters are
> 99%
> eye candy or effects;  and maybe as much as 1% real work, though doubt
> it.
> 
> DOS worked so well, cos it did none of that.  Boring to the sighted, but
> 
> even they were more focussed on getting real info in or out and not just
> 
> there to play with it.
> 
> So, yes,  a cutToTheQwik system  that took us back to doing the stuff
> we're
> doing, without all the other overhead, would have some use; can think of
> 
> professional areas where it would be saleable for it's simplicity;  but
> doubt it's going to happen.
 
 It's already happening. If you work primarily from the Linux console
 (just
 using the GUI for tasks that require it, e.g., Web browsing), you
 essentially
 have what you've described.
 
 this can't be done in the same way under OS X, which always loads a
 graphical
 desktop environment.
 
 I'm writing this message from a Linux virtual terminal.
 
 So far as the two operating systems are concerned, there are some
 applications
 for which I like to use OS X, but it's my Linux laptop that I'm using
 most
 often at home just now, even though the Macbook is newer.
 
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Re: safari or chromeVox?

[Sean Murphy]

Refresh the web page by CMB r.

Both browsers have their strength.

Chrome cannot activate links from in a table mode from my experience 

Sean

My experience is the part 

> On 4 Jan 2015, at 11:48 pm, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:
> 
> Another thing i’ve noticed with Chromevox at least on my machine is that if i 
> for some reason have to go outside the html contents of the page, Chromevox 
> locks up and can’t move anywhere on the page again and nothing seems to be 
> able to bring the focus back again to the html area. If i’m missing some 
> shortcut here, please fill me in on it.
> /Krister
> 
>> 4 jan 2015 kl. 11:20 skrev Shawn Krasniuk :
>> 
>> Hi. Yes, Chromevox indeed has its pros and cons. One annoying thing you'll 
>> find with Chromevox is if you have a website where it refreshes itself in 
>> the background, speech interrupts itself.
>> 
>> Shawn
>> Sent From My White MacBook
>> 
>>> On Jan 4, 2015, at 2:08 AM, Krister Ekstrom  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> To me with my style of web browsing, Chrome and Safari are just about 
>>> equal. There are things i really like with Chrome, such as the fact that it 
>>> seems to handle complex web pages better than Safari, not giving you so 
>>> many ”busy, busy” messages. Chrome however, seems to lack the reader that 
>>> Safari has and which i like to use from time to time, so i guess it’s a 
>>> matter of preference. You trade off one feature for another unless of 
>>> course i’m mistaken in which case i’d love to be corrected.
>>> Chrome vox is sorta half a screen reader, since it doesn’t work in menus 
>>> and it looks like it can’t read the preferences of Chrome very well, but i 
>>> can be wrong here. The part that works however, works quite well. You’d 
>>> probably make it without using Chrome vox however but it’s there for the 
>>> testing if you want to. I don’t really know what to think yet, but i kinda 
>>> feel that sometimes it’s a bit verbose, but that could probably be changed.
>>> /Krister
>>> 
 3 jan 2015 kl. 21:51 skrev Chris Moore :
 
 Hello,
 I’m considering installing chromeVox, but am looking for feedback on how 
 it works relative to safari.
 
 TIa
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Re: working with iBooks On Mac

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All,


I have major issues with using Ibooks. I was reading a book an couldn’t get 
past the first page. Even if I tried to navigate via the table of contents, it 
kept kicking me back to the first page.

Any tips to resolve this?

Sean 
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wrote:

> Hello:
> I cannot figure how to create bookmarks in a book, and how to navigate to the 
> bookmarks. I also cannot figure out how to create and navigate to notes. 
> Also, is it just me, or does the navigate via page, and chapter shortcut key 
> commands do not work?
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Re: MS Office Accessibility

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Hi all,

Office Mobile as you are calling it does not detect tables. Office Word on the 
iOS is what I am referring too.

Sean 
On 20 Dec 2014, at 11:40 am, erik burggraaf  wrote:

> Hi, can you not create tables in excel mobile, then copy and paste them into 
> word mobile, and/or insert a spreadsheet as a table?  I'll be looking into 
> office mobile soon for my girlfriend and wyould be interested to know if this 
> is feasible.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 19, 2014, at 6:55 PM, Grant Hardy  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Faisal,
>> 
>> I haven't heard anything official, either. But there are good signs. This 
>> fall, Microsoft released a brand new version of Microsoft Outlook for Mac, 
>> available to Office 365 subscribers. That version of Outlook appears to be 
>> very accessible (e.g. the ribbon, reading and sending messages, and many 
>> other areas of the program are working great). If the next version of 
>> Microsoft Office is designed with as much accessibility in mind, it could 
>> turn out to be very usable.
>> 
>> I'll point out that in my opinion, there is some accessibility built into 
>> the Microsoft Office mobile apps for iOS but in many areas it is still 
>> lacking. For example, in Word, I know of no way to create or edit tables.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Grant
>> 
>> Sent from mobile
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 11:20 AM, Faisal ali  wrote:
>> 
>> Chris, I was just wondering where you heard this bit of information from? I 
>> ask this because as far as far as I know, accessibility is not forthcoming 
>> as there is no indication of this. Although the IOS apps are accessible, 
>> that is still no proof that it will become accessibility on the Mac. A 
>> perfect example of this is the official twitter app and twitterific amongst 
>> others.
>>> On Dec 19, 2014, at 11:12 AM, christopher hallsworth 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Not yet, but it is expected that Office 2015 will be accessible just like 
>>> the individual apps for iOS. How accessible we won't know till they're 
>>> released sometime in 2015.
 On 19 Dec 2014, at 15:32, Brandon A. Olivares  
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 Hello,
 
 i’m wondering if MS Office for the Mac is accessible with Voiceover? I’ve 
 heard it wasn’t in the past, but haven’t heard anything about this 
 recently.
 
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Re: Best way to Navigate Forum threads on the web

[Sean Murphy]

I use VO for the Menus. ChromeVox for the web page.
On 19 Dec 2014, at 8:18 pm, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> I may be wrong here, but from when i tested Chrome vox i couldn’t get at 
> functions in the menu bar with it, that is i’m more or less stuck if i want 
> to go into menus etc. Am i right in this?
> /Krister
> 
>> 19 dec 2014 kl. 08:29 skrev Sean Murphy :
>> 
>> This is why I use Crome and Chromevox. It is far faster and flexible then 
>> Safari with VO.
>> 
>> I have not checked, but can VO jump to the same element?
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> On 16 Dec 2014, at 3:38 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Do not ever recall this being discussed, and have read a lot about people 
>>> reading the Apple forums lately. I have noticed that whenever I need to 
>>> browse a forum site on the web doing it with VO can take forever. On most 
>>> forum sites there are no headings listed, so what I typically do is use 
>>> auto webspots to locate the first conversation but then I have to use the 
>>> arrow keys to navigate the page therefore having to read a lot of info that 
>>> I could care less about to just get to people’s reply. For example,  I will 
>>> have to arrow through things like user names, last date on site, last date 
>>> posted, etc. All of which I could care less about when I just want to read 
>>> the response. Has anyone found a quicker way to navigate forums on the web, 
>>> and if so can you let us know. Thanks.
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Re: mac terminal

[Sean Murphy]

I agree with the original poster. If you have ssh to a router per say. You have 
to review the output to ensure you get everything. VO will miss things.

If you use screen /dev/ttyusb0 to connect to a router via a serial console. VO 
chops off the first part of the line and also doesn’t read out the information 
correctly. 

VO really needs a lot of work on the Terminal. One wish is for vo to go to the 
beginning of the physical line, not the beginning of the sentence. Since it 
doesn’t, it is difficult to navigate logs correctly.

Sean 
On 29 Nov 2014, at 3:35 am, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

> Since there were no further mentions of OS or application one other hint is 
> if you are on UNIX most applications can have standard out piped to pager 
> program like more or less. (Those are two separate programs and Less has more 
> features than more). Also when I was doing builds using the terminal I would 
> make sure to hit command K  before the build and the terminal application is 
> configured to keep all scrolled output. So I could run make walk away and 
> then later review the full output with the VO commands. 
> 
> Another technique I often use is to take advantage of the tee command. With 
> this command you can log all output to a file and also see it on screen. 
> 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 20, 2014, at 15:04, deedra waters  wrote:
> 
>> I need as much advice here as possible. I do a lot of things in the terminal 
>> and what i’m discovering is that yeast is almost worse then voiceover in the 
>> err y a s r…. so since voiceover seems to work better for me with the 
>> terminal what i want to know is this. is there a way to stop voiceover from  
>> dropping large chunks of text in the terminal  or in some cases, not even 
>> speaking them at all. If i could get this part fixed it would be greatly 
>> appreciated. what i mean is this for those who don’t understand. voiceover 
>> seems to try to keep up with the moving text on the terminal screen that’s 
>> appreciated, however it’s annoying for certain things and i need to get it 
>> to speak everything that comes in and not skip text.
>> 
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Re: Best way to Navigate Forum threads on the web

[Sean Murphy]

This is why I use Crome and Chromevox. It is far faster and flexible then 
Safari with VO.  

I have not checked, but can VO jump to the same element?

Sean 

On 16 Dec 2014, at 3:38 am, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Do not ever recall this being discussed, and have read a lot about people 
> reading the Apple forums lately. I have noticed that whenever I need to 
> browse a forum site on the web doing it with VO can take forever. On most 
> forum sites there are no headings listed, so what I typically do is use auto 
> webspots to locate the first conversation but then I have to use the arrow 
> keys to navigate the page therefore having to read a lot of info that I could 
> care less about to just get to people’s reply. For example,  I will have to 
> arrow through things like user names, last date on site, last date posted, 
> etc. All of which I could care less about when I just want to read the 
> response. Has anyone found a quicker way to navigate forums on the web, and 
> if so can you let us know. Thanks.
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Re: OT: WebEx

[Sean Murphy]

Hi 

I use WebEx on a regular bases. 

Let me put something together for you and get back to you 

My experience is the part 

> On 1 Dec 2014, at 10:16 am, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
> 
> I would like to chime in and make a suggestion. In 2005-2008, I was in grad 
> school using Blackboard. I know the 2 online services have merged. The office 
> chat (real time) was not accessible in Blackboard. The solution was to have a 
> fellow student read the real time chats. I was able to respond in the chat, 
> but not continuously tab back and for between the real chat posts and 
> responding to the chats. Just a suggestion. 
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 30, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Jason White  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I doubt that I can help much with this, as I have never heard of it. All I 
>> can suggest is to visit the Web site to find out whether there are any 
>> accessibility options (probably not, I suspect).
>> 
>> You and your teacher should probably arrange to use something else due to 
>> the accessibility problems.
>> 
>> Jason.
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iOS 8.0.2 crashes regularly and other issues.

[Sean Murphy]

Hello all.


How is people finding the new version of iOS on their iPhones? I am finding it 
crashing regularly. I just have reset my settings hoping it would have resolved 
things. It didn't. For example, if I open MDN (mac daily news), open an article 
and start to read. Once the APP initiates a a refresh for the article. Vo stops 
speaking and kicks me back to the home screen. 

On the home screen, I cannot filter the list of apps when using hand writing 
mode. In fact, if I swipe down by two fingers, I do get the list of aps. But I 
cannot execute any after pressing a double tap. It appears VO once again 
crashes. I hear "screen curtain turn on" or "Voice-Over started".

The only thing I have not yet tried before rolling back to 7. Is a complete 
reset. This is going to annoy me since I have a lot of mail that I might lose.  
Does the backup save your mail?

There are other issues, so please let me know how people are going with this 
version.

Sean 

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Re: An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features – MacStories

[Sean Murphy]

How do you find this option?
On 1 Jul 2014, at 5:49 pm, David Chittenden  wrote:

> Correct, speak screen already exists in iOS 7. It is a little harder to find. 
> I have a client who sees perfectly well, but has dyslexia. I am training him 
> to use speak screen for long screens of text that he becomes very frustrated 
> whilst trying to read.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 1 Jul 2014, at 15:13, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I imagine Alex will remain English only, with the usual Nuance voices being 
>> used for all other languages. That's just speculation, though.
>> 
>> I don't know, but the speak screen option seems more for occasional use by 
>> people who can usually see the screen; I doubt it is intended for use by VO 
>> users. I imagine Zoom users, or those with certain learning problems, will 
>> find it quite andy, but VO users not so much. Again, this is all speculation 
>> and guessing at this point; I'mnot even a beta tester.
>> On Jun 30, 2014, at 11:05 PM, mário navarro  wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> hi.
>>> alex on IOS8 will only support English / USA, or will speak all the 
>>> languages ​​that are available today in the voices of IOS7 vocalizer 
>>> expressive voices?
>>> yes, because if Alex comes to IOS8, must be present for all languages and 
>>> not only for English USA.
>>> on the mac, alex only supports English / USA.
>>> who assures us that alex on IOS8 will not be the same as the mac?
>>> 
>>> now speak about speak screen.
>>> Can anyone explain in more detail what this tool is capable to do 
>>> specifically on the screen?
>>> because it seems to me that for this purpose we have the selector elements.
>>> with the selector elements can also view the screen and all the elements 
>>> that can be found in the screen ...
>>> what makes this tool more?
>>> is this not more of the same?
>>> I do not understand what the speak screen will give us more than the 
>>> selector elements.
>>> We can also read the entire screen with two fingers up gesture, that 
>>> informs us of what is on the screen.
>>> anybody explain to me what the speak screen does most specifically?
>>> thanks.
>>> cheers.
>>> Em 28-06-2014 15:23, Robert C escreveu:
 Yosemite is no harder than Apple. It could be worse, much worse. And now 
 we wait out the summer. That for some methinks will be much harder than 
 learning to spell Y o s e m i t e. ;)
 
 Quote of the nanosecond . . .
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 On 6/28/2014 5:05 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
> I totally agree with the article. Even little things like the reader mode 
> in Safari for mac and iOS, make things so simple and lovely. I can't wait 
> to see what's new in Yosimidy though. On a side note, do they have to 
> make OS names so hard to spell nowadays? What ever happened to simplicity 
> there? LOL.
> On Jun 28, 2014, at 2:15 AM, Nicholas Parsons 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Thought the below article might be of interest to some on the list.
>> 
>> http://www.macstories.net/stories/an-overview-of-ios-8s-new-accessibility-features/
>>  
>> 
>> An Overview of iOS 8's New Accessibility Features
>> 
>> 
>> Since this year's WWDC keynote ended, the focus of any analysis on iOS 8 
>> has been its features -- things like Continuity, Extensions, and iCloud 
>> Drive. This is, of course, expected: iOS is the operating system that 
>> drives Apple's most important (and most profitable) products, so it's 
>> natural that the limelight be shone on the new features for the mass 
>> market.
>> 
>> As I've written, however, the Accessibility features that Apple includes 
>> in iOS are nonetheless just as important and innovative as the A-list 
>> features that Craig Federighi demoed on stage at Moscone. Indeed, Apple 
>> is to be lauded for their year-over-year commitment to improving iOS's 
>> Accessibility feature set, and they continue that trend with iOS 8.
>> 
>> Here, I run down what's new in Accessibility in iOS 8, and explain 
>> briefly how each feature works.
>> 
>> 
>> Alex. Apple is bringing Alex, its natural-sounding voice on the Mac, to 
>> iOS. Alex will work with all of iOS's spoken audio technologies (Siri 
>> excepted), including VoiceOver, Speak Selection, and another new 
>> Accessibility feature to iOS 8, Speak Screen (see below). In essence, 
>> Alex is a replacement for the robotic-sounding voice that controls 
>> VoiceOver, et al, in iOS today.
>> 
>> Speak Screen. With Speak Screen, a simple gesture will prompt the 
>> aforementioned Alex to read anything on screen, including queries asked 
>> of Siri. This feature will be a godsend to visually impaired users who 
>> 

Re: [New post] Apple removing music downloading apps from App Store

[Sean Murphy]

Chris,


Thanks for the post. Ignore what others say unless the moderator states 
otherwise. this is very informative.

Sean 
On 11 Jun 2014, at 1:16 am, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> 
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> 
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> 
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> that allowed users to obtain files from third-party file sharing sites,"
> Richard Padilla reports for MacRumors. "The move is likely in an attempt
> to push the iTunes Store and iTunes Radio, as well as to clean up the
> App Store ahead of an overhaul in iOS 8."
> 
> "A search for the term 'music download' in the App Store displays a
> message inviting users to try out iTunes Radio," Padilla reports.
> "Previously, the same search would show results for a number of apps
> that could download music and audio files from websites such as
> Soundcloud and YouTube, with many appearing on the App Store's 'Top
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Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in

[Sean Murphy]

All.

The purchased version of Window-eyes gives you the below:

As per the FAQs located at http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/FAQ/
There are a number of additional benefits offered by GW Micro when purchasing
the retail version of Window-Eyes:
•  Free technical support with an unlimited number of incidents
•  Braille and large print hotkey guides (English only)
•  Installation CD with comprehensive audio tutorial
•  Eloquence and Vocalizer speech synthesizers
•  Ad-free experience for GW Micro’s accessible Skype client, GWConnect

I hope this helps.

Sean 
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Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader built in

[Sean Murphy]

Very interesting. If it does work in the manner people are outlining. Then 
Microsoft have killed their own inbuilt screen reader, FS have a real major 
challenge in front of them and NVDA could stay around with the loyal support. 
This means those people who are using NVDA must really be very supportive of 
this group to keep it in the market. 

The partnership between Ms and GW must have some finicial gain for GW otherwise 
they will go under.


I think the model is excellent and is aggressive. How will the others compete. 
I do have a licence of Window-eyes and haven't spent the time to learn it in 
depth. It looks like it is time now.


On 16/01/2014, at 10:42 AM, "Brent Harding"  wrote:

> No, as I understand it, Window-eyes works as it normally does with every 
> program, just requiring that Office be on the system.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 3:44 PM
> Subject: Re: Looks like Windows is also heading toward full screen reader 
> built in
> 
> 
> question?
> granted I am not now nor have I ever been a windows user.  still if I
> follow this, you can use windoweyes, for one piece of software?  just what
> happens if after you download the single ticket for office,  and try to
> use the program for something else?
> Allowing it to work with only one piece of software in no way to my mind
> translates into built in speech. That means one thing, you turn on an item
> and find if you require it, speech across the board.  Either that or you
> turn on the program as an extra and find speech across the board.  No less
> at least to me.
> Kare
> 
> On Tue, 14 Jan 2014, erik burggraaf wrote:
> 
>> Wow,  Well, this is officially O/T I guess, but I couldn't help laughing at 
>> this.  I had been a loyal window-eyes user on the windows side, but have 
>> switched to NVDA full time now because of better UIA support, better access 
>> to flash and other dynamic content, better braille support, and touch screen 
>> support which window-eyes has not at all.  There hasn't been a revolutionary 
>> development in the window-eyes world in 5 years or more since they 
>> introduced open scripting in version 7.
>> 
>> Leading the way is pure propaganda at this point, but I guess doug and Dan 
>> have well stocked RRSP's at this point and don't really have to giddyup 
>> these days.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Erik Burggraaf
>> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
>> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
>> 
>> On 2014-01-14, at 2:21 PM, Bill Holton  wrote:
>> 
>>> Jan-14-2014
>>> FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana (January 14, 2014) - GW Micro, Inc. (www.gwmicro.com) 
>>> is proud
>>> to make a revolutionary announcement. GW Micro and Microsoft Corp. have 
>>> partnered
>>> to make Window-Eyes available to users of Microsoft Office at no cost. 
>>> Window-Eyes
>>> is a screen reader that enables people who are blind, visually impaired, or 
>>> print
>>> disabled to have full access to Windows PCs and makes the computer 
>>> accessible via
>>> speech and/or Braille.
>>> To better deliver Window-Eyes to the people who need it most, GW Micro and 
>>> Microsoft
>>> have collaborated on this global initiative, available in over 15 
>>> languages, to enable
>>> anyone using Microsoft Office 2010 or later to also use Window-Eyes for 
>>> free.
>>> Access to technology is critical to people who are blind or visually 
>>> impaired in
>>> order to have the same opportunity to compete in the workplace. As such, 
>>> this initiative
>>> between GW Micro and Microsoft has the potential to reduce barriers for 
>>> millions
>>> of people who are blind or visually impaired around the world.
>>> As the population ages, technologies like Window-Eyes will become more and 
>>> more important
>>> as the number of people with age-related macular degeneration and other 
>>> retinal degenerative
>>> diseases increases. "
>>> This significant change in the way we are doing business reflects the 
>>> changing perception
>>> of accessibility and also technology in general.
>>>  Rather than wait for the world to change, Microsoft and GW Micro are 
>>> leading the
>>> way
>>> ," said Dan Weirich, Vice President of Sales and Marketing for GW Micro.
>>> Weirich believes this technology can help millions of people gain access to 
>>> their
>>> PC, and that providing it free of charge will open a whole new world of 
>>> assistive
>>> technology to many people.
>>> In light of the rapidly changing face of technology and specifically, the 
>>> changing
>>> face of assistive technology, the combined efforts of GW Micro and 
>>> Microsoft have
>>> the goal of providing accessibility to people who are blind and visually 
>>> impaired
>>> for the long term.
>>> Microsoft continues to take accessibility seriously.
>>> “By partnering with GW Micro in this endeavor we are demonstrating 
>>> Microsoft’s ongoing
>>> commitment to provide all of our customers with the technology an

Re: How to use emacs on mac

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

How do you get Emacspeak to work on Emacs for the Mac?
On 13/01/2014, at 1:02 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse  wrote:

> the last time i needed VI was when i installed boom on the mac mini
> and had too manually delete all of its files, i found out at that time
> that vi was not too be had from my recovery disk, so rm too the rescue
> ;d
> That, is a another story intirely though:)
> 
> 
> 
> Sandi
> 
> 
> On 1/11/14, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> Oh, my, I had a horrible time with VI, because I didn’t RTFM, of course, and
>> I couldn’t get out of it. More and more control characters kept appearing
>> from my attempts to press escape and control-q, and then when I found that
>> exiting was an obscure command like ZZ or something really disjointed, I
>> complained to a programmer friend of mine. He said it was all completely
>> logical. Now I know how some people feel when they learn Braille! :) anyway,
>> Emacs is only slightly less intuitive to my way of thinking, but I took the
>> time to RTFM before I used it. :)
>> 
>> Ok, I’ll bite, RTFM is Read the Frigging Manual. :)
>> 
>> Teresa
>> 
>> Slow down; you'll get there faster.
>> 
>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> hi Teresa, no problem, usually when i need that kinda editor, i would
>>> use a proper one, "vi" but that is just me , hides under a very solid
>>> table, that is all religion though.
>>> Best
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sandi
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 1/11/14, Devin Prater  wrote:
 Going to the terminal and typing "emacs" should be sufficient.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Teresa Cochran  wrote:
 
> hi, Sandi,
> 
> There might be some confusion here. Emacs is a desktop that you start
> from
> Terminal. Do you have this? i haven’t found it natively or on Macports
> or
> Homebrew, which you have to install. Can you tell me the steps you use
> to
> run it?
> 
> Thanks,
> Teresa
> 
> "Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard
> P.
> Feynman
> 
> On Jan 11, 2014, at 10:22 AM, Sandi Jazmin Kruse 
> wrote:
> 
>> am not sure how one would install emacsspeak, but emacs seems too be
>> installed on my version of ml,
>> 
>> On 1/11/14, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> I may google this today. I so don’t want to install from source, as I
>>> don’t
>>> have enough knowledge of command line to do this yet. I also don’t
>>> want
>>> to
>>> use VO with emacs, because VO is a bit unpredictable when you get
>>> outside of
>>> the shell.
>>> 
>>> Teresa
>>> 
>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog,
>>> it's
>>> too
>>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 6:59 AM, Devin Prater  wrote:
>>> 
 Yes, I've also wanted to use emacs with emacspeak for a while now.
 Sent from my braille plus 18
 
 Kjsc Radio  wrote:
 
> 
> 
> Hi all, just a simple question, do you know how I could compile
> emacs
> to
> work in the terminal? And how would i get it working? Thanks all.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Not accepting File Format When Importing Into Paprika

[Sean Murphy]

The import must be saved as a plain text file. YAML is just a text passing 
standard. By providing the fields and indentations required by the app, you 
will be able to successfully import recipes.


On 06/01/2014, at 8:14 AM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> Hello, 
> 
> I have read through this post and it brings me to ask a couple of questions:
> 
> 1. If I am using iTextExpress to set the recipe up to be accepted by Paprika 
> as described below, do I save the doc in the .YML file type. That file type 
> is not in the list in iText Express.
> 2. If I need to create a new file, what's the difference in just doing a 
> copy/paste into the set fields in Paprika?
> 
> Maybe I am just not totally comprehending the format or process to accomplish 
> importing my recipes that I have in a different format. Sometimes when I am 
> doing something for the first time, I need step-by-step instructions to 
> process it. I am only 4 months with the Mac, so please be patient with me. 
> 
> Thanks in advance. 
> 
> Eileen 
> On Jan 5, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Below is the extract from the user manual.
>> 
>> YAML is a simple, plain text file with sections delimited by key-value 
>> pairs. To indicate a block of text, use an initial pipe character, as shown 
>> in directions
>> and ingredients. Consistent indenting should be used, but the order of the 
>> fields does not matter, and most are optional with the exception of the name,
>> ingredients and directions. It is recommended that you use an online YAML 
>> validator such as 
>> this one
>> to validate your file if you're experiencing difficulties importing.
>> 
>> Note We've added several new fields: on_favorites takes a yes value and 
>> indicates that the recipe should be added to your favorites. categories is a 
>> YAML
>> list; the category will be created if it does not exist. photo is a base-64 
>> encoded image. All these new fields are optional.
>> 
>> YAML recipe example:
>> 
>> name: My Tasty Recipe
>> servings: 4-6 servings
>> source: Food Network
>> source_url: http://www.google.com
>> prep_time: 10 min
>> cook_time: 30 min
>> on_favorites: yes
>> categories: [Dinner, Holiday]
>> nutritional_info: 500 calories
>> difficulty: Easy
>> rating: 5
>> notes: |
>> This is delicious!!!
>> photo: (base-64 encoded image)
>> ingredients: |
>> 1/2 lb meat
>> 1/2 lb vegetables
>> salt
>> pepper
>> 2 tbsp olive oil
>> 4 cups flour
>> directions: |
>> Mix things together.
>> Eat.
>> Tasty.
>> Yum yum yum.
>> 
>> YAML multiple recipes example:
>> 
>> - name: My Tasty Recipe
>> servings: 4-6 servings
>> source: Food Network
>> source_url: http://www.google.com
>> prep_time: 10 min
>> cook_time: 30 min
>> nutritional_info: 500 calories
>> on_favorites: yes
>> categories: [Dinner, Holiday]
>> difficulty: Easy
>> rating: 5
>> notes: |
>>   This is delicious!!!
>> ingredients: |
>>   1/2 lb meat
>>   1/2 lb vegetables
>>   salt
>>   pepper
>>   2 tbsp olive oil
>>   4 cups flour
>> directions: |
>>   Mix things together.
>>   Eat.
>>   Tasty.
>>   Yum yum yum.
>> 
>> - name: My Tasty Recipe 2
>> servings: 4-6 servings
>> source: Food Network
>> source_url: http://www.google.com
>> prep_time: 10 min
>> cook_time: 30 min
>> nutritional_info: 500 calories
>> difficulty: Easy
>> rating: 5
>> photo: | (base-64 encoded image)
>> notes: |
>>   This is delicious!!!
>> ingredients: |
>>   1/2 lb meat
>>   1/2 lb vegetables
>>   salt
>>   pepper
>>   2 tbsp olive oil
>>   4 cups flour
>> directions: |
>>   Mix things together.
>>   Eat.
>>   Tasty.
>>   Yum yum yum.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 05/01/2014, at 4:22 AM, Eileens Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Paprika Folks,
>>> 
>>> I need some expert assistance. I copied my recipes that I have collected 
>>> over the years from my Win 7 PC machine onto a USB thumb drive. I placed 
>>> the thumb drive into an USB port on my Air, opened Paprika and attemted to 
>>> import the first recipe file from the drive. I received an error stating 
>>> that the file type was not recognized by Paprika and couldn't be imported. 
>>> These files are either DOC or DOCX files. What file types does Paprika like 
>>> and will import to the app? I didn't t

Re: Not accepting File Format When Importing Into Paprika

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

Below is the extract from the user manual.

YAML is a simple, plain text file with sections delimited by key-value pairs. 
To indicate a block of text, use an initial pipe character, as shown in 
directions
and ingredients. Consistent indenting should be used, but the order of the 
fields does not matter, and most are optional with the exception of the name,
ingredients and directions. It is recommended that you use an online YAML 
validator such as 
this one
 to validate your file if you're experiencing difficulties importing.

Note We've added several new fields: on_favorites takes a yes value and 
indicates that the recipe should be added to your favorites. categories is a 
YAML
list; the category will be created if it does not exist. photo is a base-64 
encoded image. All these new fields are optional.

YAML recipe example:

name: My Tasty Recipe
servings: 4-6 servings
source: Food Network
source_url: http://www.google.com
prep_time: 10 min
cook_time: 30 min
on_favorites: yes
categories: [Dinner, Holiday]
nutritional_info: 500 calories
difficulty: Easy
rating: 5
notes: |
  This is delicious!!!
photo: (base-64 encoded image)
ingredients: |
  1/2 lb meat
  1/2 lb vegetables
  salt
  pepper
  2 tbsp olive oil
  4 cups flour
directions: |
  Mix things together.
  Eat.
  Tasty.
  Yum yum yum.
  
YAML multiple recipes example:

- name: My Tasty Recipe
  servings: 4-6 servings
  source: Food Network
  source_url: http://www.google.com
  prep_time: 10 min
  cook_time: 30 min
  nutritional_info: 500 calories
  on_favorites: yes
  categories: [Dinner, Holiday]
  difficulty: Easy
  rating: 5
  notes: |
This is delicious!!!
  ingredients: |
1/2 lb meat
1/2 lb vegetables
salt
pepper
2 tbsp olive oil
4 cups flour
  directions: |
Mix things together.
Eat.
Tasty.
Yum yum yum.

- name: My Tasty Recipe 2
  servings: 4-6 servings
  source: Food Network
  source_url: http://www.google.com
  prep_time: 10 min
  cook_time: 30 min
  nutritional_info: 500 calories
  difficulty: Easy
  rating: 5
  photo: | (base-64 encoded image)
  notes: |
This is delicious!!!
  ingredients: |
1/2 lb meat
1/2 lb vegetables
salt
pepper
2 tbsp olive oil
4 cups flour
  directions: |
Mix things together.
Eat.
Tasty.
Yum yum yum.
  
  

On 05/01/2014, at 4:22 AM, Eileens Misrahi  wrote:

> Hello Paprika Folks,
> 
> I need some expert assistance. I copied my recipes that I have collected over 
> the years from my Win 7 PC machine onto a USB thumb drive. I placed the thumb 
> drive into an USB port on my Air, opened Paprika and attemted to import the 
> first recipe file from the drive. I received an error stating that the file 
> type was not recognized by Paprika and couldn't be imported. These files are 
> either DOC or DOCX files. What file types does Paprika like and will import 
> to the app? I didn't think this would matter, but I see that I might have 
> additional work and another folder to add to this thumb drive to import my 
> recipes. Please Advise on how to resolve this.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Best,
> Eileen
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Paprika clipping recipes

[Sean Murphy]

There is a feature to share recipes within the app. It will take me a while to 
import them. I have to massage the data because it has come from a lot of 
different sources. This is the first app I have used that I like as an recipe 
program. So everything I have is in text files.
On 03/01/2014, at 6:29 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:

> And if you import those 10 thousand recipes can you share that database with 
> others?  I use MacGourmet and that is a feature that I like, it is easy to 
> share recipes.  I have not tried paprika although maybe I should give it a 
> shot.  I just like the iTunes-like interface that MacGourmet has.
> Jim
> 
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 10:10 PM, Sean Murphy  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Are you aware that the app can import files? It depends on the format of the 
>> file. If you look at the documentation you will find the info. I am in the 
>> process of importing over 10,000 recipes that have collected over the years. 
>> 
>> Sean
>> On 03/01/2014, at 11:26 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you Ester!
>>> This helps a lot. I have a big recipes folder that I'm trying to import, as 
>>> well as some recipes I've bookmarked off the web. I also love the search 
>>> feature. I can do a search of my receipes in the database. Thanks for the 
>>> detailed instructions. I appreciate it.
>>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Esther  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Sarah, Eileen, and Others,
>>>> 
>>>> Here are some tips on using the recipe clipping feature in the Mac version 
>>>> of Paprika Recipe Manager.  As Laura described, you press the "Save 
>>>> Recipe" 
>>>> button in the toolbar of the Paprika Mac app window to clip recipes from 
>>>> web sites.  As a quick overview, you can navigate to recipes in web sites 
>>>> in the Browser view either by using the Google search text field in the 
>>>> HTML area to do a general search of recipe sites, and then select links 
>>>> that you want, followed by using the "Save Recipe" button, or you can 
>>>> select one of the web site links in the HTML area under the headings for 
>>>> "Recommended Sites", such as "Foodnet.com", then search for the the recipe 
>>>> you want at that site's web page, followed by using the "Save Recipe" 
>>>> button to clip the recipe.  
>>>> 
>>>> Alternatively, since the Browser's "Getting Started" HTML page with 
>>>> information on how to get started with clipping recipes, the general 
>>>> Google 
>>>> search field, and the links to popular recipe sites only loads up when you 
>>>> first launch the Browser view, you can also navigate to the Google search 
>>>> text field on the window toolbar, or use the Bookmarks button on the 
>>>> window 
>>>> toolbar to navigate to popular web sites (including favorites that you 
>>>> add), and then use the "Save Recipe" button on the toolbar to clip 
>>>> recipes. 
>>>> This may be a little less convenient than using the corresponding 
>>>> locations for search and links in the startup browser HTML area unless you 
>>>> set an application specific hotspot for these locations, since there are 
>>>> no 
>>>> pre-existing keyboard shortcuts for navigating to the Google search field 
>>>> or to the Bookmarks on the toolbar of the Paprika Recipe Manager app in 
>>>> Browser view the way there are for Safari, but it only takes a few 
>>>> VO-arrow 
>>>> key presses (or flicks if you use the Trackpad) to move between the HTML 
>>>> area and these buttons on the toolbar.   If you prefer to use the "Getting 
>>>> Started" startup HTML page to navigate, you can always move back to it by 
>>>> using VO-Up arrow from the HTML area to navigate to the Browser's "Back" 
>>>> button, VO-space until you get to the beginning, and focus moves to the 
>>>> "Forward" button, then VO-Left arrow back to the (dimmed) "Back" button 
>>>> and 
>>>> VO-Down arrow to return to the HTML area.  (Note: I had to use VO-slash to 
>>>> label the four toolbar buttons to the right of the Paprika window's 
>>>> "Minimize", "Close", and "Zoom" buttons.  These are "Back", "Forward", 
>>>> "Bookmarks", and "Refresh". The remaining toolbar elements to the righ

Re: cross referencing files when adding to ITunes

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

If I understand what you are trying to do. You just have to make sure the album 
name is different. The file will be in both locations. For example.

Song name: hello world
Artist:  The best band 
album:  classical 

Song name: hello world
Artist:  The best band 
album:  Jazz 

The above should work.

On 03/01/2014, at 8:09 AM, Ray Foret Jr  wrote:

> Okay,  here’s what’s going on.
> 
> I have two files which I wish to ad to ITunes.  No big deal about ading them, 
> making sure the Meda data is correct and all that:  however, I wish these 
> files to be added to two customized albums I am putting together.  Can I add 
> these two files twice and make sure the meta data is correct for each 
> customized album so that the ffiles will appear corectly in each album?  Will 
> the files be added twice or just once with the second attempt to add only 
> placing meda data markers for referencing where the original file is 
> depending on how I tag it?
> 
> 
> Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the blind 
> built-in!
> 
> Sincerely,
> The Constantly Barefooted Ray, still a very happy Mac and Iphone 5 user!
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Re: Paprika clipping recipes

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

Are you aware that the app can import files? It depends on the format of the 
file. If you look at the documentation you will find the info. I am in the 
process of importing over 10,000 recipes that have collected over the years. 

Sean
On 03/01/2014, at 11:26 AM, Sarai Bucciarelli  
wrote:

> Thank you Ester!
> This helps a lot. I have a big recipes folder that I'm trying to import, as 
> well as some recipes I've bookmarked off the web. I also love the search 
> feature. I can do a search of my receipes in the database. Thanks for the 
> detailed instructions. I appreciate it.
> On Jan 2, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Esther  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Sarah, Eileen, and Others,
>> 
>> Here are some tips on using the recipe clipping feature in the Mac version 
>> of Paprika Recipe Manager.  As Laura described, you press the "Save Recipe" 
>> button in the toolbar of the Paprika Mac app window to clip recipes from 
>> web sites.  As a quick overview, you can navigate to recipes in web sites 
>> in the Browser view either by using the Google search text field in the 
>> HTML area to do a general search of recipe sites, and then select links 
>> that you want, followed by using the "Save Recipe" button, or you can 
>> select one of the web site links in the HTML area under the headings for 
>> "Recommended Sites", such as "Foodnet.com", then search for the the recipe 
>> you want at that site's web page, followed by using the "Save Recipe" 
>> button to clip the recipe.  
>> 
>> Alternatively, since the Browser's "Getting Started" HTML page with 
>> information on how to get started with clipping recipes, the general Google 
>> search field, and the links to popular recipe sites only loads up when you 
>> first launch the Browser view, you can also navigate to the Google search 
>> text field on the window toolbar, or use the Bookmarks button on the window 
>> toolbar to navigate to popular web sites (including favorites that you 
>> add), and then use the "Save Recipe" button on the toolbar to clip recipes. 
>> This may be a little less convenient than using the corresponding 
>> locations for search and links in the startup browser HTML area unless you 
>> set an application specific hotspot for these locations, since there are no 
>> pre-existing keyboard shortcuts for navigating to the Google search field 
>> or to the Bookmarks on the toolbar of the Paprika Recipe Manager app in 
>> Browser view the way there are for Safari, but it only takes a few VO-arrow 
>> key presses (or flicks if you use the Trackpad) to move between the HTML 
>> area and these buttons on the toolbar.   If you prefer to use the "Getting 
>> Started" startup HTML page to navigate, you can always move back to it by 
>> using VO-Up arrow from the HTML area to navigate to the Browser's "Back" 
>> button, VO-space until you get to the beginning, and focus moves to the 
>> "Forward" button, then VO-Left arrow back to the (dimmed) "Back" button and 
>> VO-Down arrow to return to the HTML area.  (Note: I had to use VO-slash to 
>> label the four toolbar buttons to the right of the Paprika window's 
>> "Minimize", "Close", and "Zoom" buttons.  These are "Back", "Forward", 
>> "Bookmarks", and "Refresh". The remaining toolbar elements to the right of 
>> these buttons are the URL address field, the "Browser - Paprika" view 
>> identifier, the "Search" text field, and the "Save Recipe" button.)  
>> 
>> Here are a few detailed examples of how to clip recipes, written with new 
>> users or those who don't yet have the Mac app in mind. Switch from the 
>> Recipes view to the Browser view with VO-Down arrow to the "Browser" check 
>> box and VO-Space. VO-Left arrow to the HTML content, and interact to read 
>> the "Getting Started" instructions.
>> 
>> You can launch your first search from within the HTML area instead of from 
>> the toolbar. If you have Quick Nav turned on, and you have enabled single 
>> letter navigation under VoiceOver Utility in Commanders under the Quick Nav 
>> tab by checking the box, you can use all the standard web navigation 
>> shortcuts (e.g., "h" to move to the next header or "f" to move to the next 
>> text field). So, press "h" to move through the headings for "Getting 
>> Started", "How to clip a recipe online", and "Search for recipes". Or press 
>> "f" to move directly to the "Google Recipe Search" text field under the 
>> "Search for recipes" heading, then toggle Quick Nav mode off (by 
>> simultaneously pressing the left and right arrow keys) so you can type in 
>> the text field.  Using this field, your search will not specify any 
>> particular recipe sites, so if I type in text, such as "Latin Black Bean 
>> Soup", and then either press "Return" or navigate to the "Search" button 
>> and press it, I'll get a Google search of many different recipes sites, 
>> with links to results within the HTML area. Navigate through the heading 
>> links of the results and activate the one that you want. 
>> 
>> Now, to just read the

Re: mv-dev mailing list

[Sean Murphy]

Why don't you post a question.
On 01/01/2014, at 12:05 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:

> Same here - I'm on, but the list is silent. I think it is simply that no one 
> has yet said anything. 
> On Dec 31, 2013, at 7:53 PM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
>> I seemed to get on ok.  Got approved, but haven't seen any mails. 
>> 
>> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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>> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
>> Twitter: @lpnalda
>> 
>> On Dec 31, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "Nick Allan"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Has anyone had success in subscribing to the mv-dev mailing list?  I’ve 
>>> tried twice now.  The first time the subscription worked, but it required 
>>> approval. A day or so later, my approval was rejected.
>>> I’ve now tried to subscribe with another email address and its again 
>>> waiting for approval.
>>>  
>>> Regards Nick
>>>  
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Re: Crome and Mac.

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Hi,

They have changed the commands. Now it is control + command, rather then 
control + alt which it was previously. Voice-Over works in the menus and 
address bar. While Vox works in the HTML area.

Sean 
On 13/11/2013, at 11:43 PM, Krister Ekstrom  wrote:

> Hi,
> How can you work with Chromevox and Voiceover on at the same time, or did i 
> misunderstand anything? Don’t voices or commands clash or have they changed 
> commands for Chromevox recently?
> /Krister
> 
> 13 nov 2013 kl. 11:49 skrev Sean Murphy :
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> I have just started to use Crome with CromeVox and Voice-Over working at the 
>> same time. The latest version is far more impressive then the previous 
>> versions. Anyone else on the list using Crome?
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Re: Focus display and Mavericks

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

How do you permit your braille cursor to navigate the app without moving the 
keyboard or voice-over cursor, or is the voice-over cursor the Brialle cursor?


On 13/11/2013, at 4:41 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> Hi, Kristeen,
> 
> This is the sort of thing that I meant when I mentioned customization. WHAT 
> you’d have to do is go into your Braille settings, go to the display tab, 
> choose “assign commands", and assign a Braille command to select text. There 
> aren’t separate commands for selecting different amounts of text, so 
> honestly, I’m not sure how you’d do this. Also, unless I’m wrong, you’d have 
> to use command-b on the keyboard to initiate the Braille command entry. I 
> haven’t assigned keystrokes for this, because frankly, it’s more trouble than 
> it’s worth to me. Let’s see if anyone else has already done this, and if not, 
> I’ll experiment with it and let you know what I come up with. I admit I have 
> my doubts that it’ll be an easy process.
> 
> HtH,
> Teresa
> 
> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
> 
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 8:08 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
>> Thanks,. This info does help. Can you tell me how I can sellect text? I've 
>> not been successful.
>> 
>> Kristeen
>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 5:10 PM, Daniel Miller  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> Teresa is correct, you have to do a lot of customizing in order to get your 
>>> focus display to work as your keyboard. Unfortunately, you will have to use 
>>> your keyboard more than you would like to. That's just the nature of the 
>>> beast.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 12, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Teresa Cochran  
 wrote:
 
 Admittedly, yes, I’m also using a keyboard. My opinion is that you’ll 
 probably have to do quite a lot of customizing to use a Braille display as 
 a primary keyboard.
 
 For switching apps, I’d probably map a braille keystroke to 
 VO-applications list. (VO-f1 twice quickly)I don’t think there’s an easy 
 way to map one to command-tab.
 
 HtH,
 Teresa
 
 "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's 
 too dark to read."--Groucho Marx
 
> On Nov 12, 2013, at 1:27 PM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
> 
> Okay, I look and I don't see some things that seem to be rather 
> importatn. For example, if you are wanting to switch from one open app to 
> another, how do you do it with the display. Are you using a keyboard 
> along with the display?
> 
> Kristeen
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Teresa Cochran  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi, Kristeen,
>> 
>> I have a focus 40 Blue and use it constantly with Mavericks. I haven’t 
>> tried assigning keystrokes for selecting text, etc. but there’s a good 
>> chance it can be done. In the vO utility, you can go to Braille and view 
>> the assigned commands for your Braille display and modify or assign new 
>> ones. There’s a lot of stuff in there, so have fun exploring. :)
>> 
>> HtH,
>> Teresa
>> 
>> "The Golden Age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete Graham
>> 
>>> On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Kristeen Hughes  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This may have been discussed before, but I have to try again. I would 
>>> like to use my Focus 40 Blue with my Mac Mini. I would prefer not to 
>>> have to use another keyboard along with it. Are there any ways to add 
>>> important keystrokes like switching between open programs and closing a 
>>> window or program, etc? Along with that is it truly possible to cut and 
>>> paste and manipulate text? Of someone wants to address this stuff off 
>>> of the list, that's cool.
>>> 
>>> Kristeen
>>> 
>>> 
 On Oct 24, 2013, at 6:43 PM, Eugenia Firth  wrote:
 
 Hi guys
 I had so many problems I had to go back to mountain kitty. They 
 weren't just with my braille display, which I reported is doing fine 
 yesterday. However, today I couldn't even navigate properly in 
 TextEdit. I couldn't even tell what I'd selected to the end of the 
 text didn't tell me. I was getting too many finder busy messages also, 
 and I couldn't always navigate and tell where I was.
 
 I had to call that 877 number, and he is checking for me.
 
 Regards and a little stressed, but this is computers were talking 
 about,
 Gigi
 Eugenia Firth
 gigifi...@sbcglobal.net
 
 
 
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Crome and Mac.

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Hi all.

I have just started to use Crome with CromeVox and Voice-Over working at the 
same time. The latest version is far more impressive then the previous 
versions. Anyone else on the list using Crome?

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Re: capslock in Fusion 6 under Mavericks

[Sean Murphy]

You need a remap program within Windows to change the behaviour. Voice-Over 
doesn't release keys when VMWare is running. Something I raised ages ago with 
Apple and they blame VMWare. Of course VMWare blame Apple. 

Sean 
On 01/11/2013, at 9:32 AM, Scott Erichsen  wrote:

> Hi all,
>  
> I upgraded to Mavericks and at the same time purchased VMWare Fusion 6.
> I installed windows 7 32bit with JAWS 15 and have KeyRemapForMacbook and 
> PCKeyboardHack.
> Both are the latest versions.
>  
> I’ve set up the capslock key so that it now acts as a voiceover key on the 
> mac which is what it’s supposed to do, but when I go into fusion it is not 
> acting like the insert key for JAWS.
> I’ve set my keyboard layout in JAWS for laptop.
> Is there anything I need to do specifically in windows or Fusion or JAWS to 
> make it work correctly?
> Any assistance greatly appreciated.
> Thanks.
> Scott
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Re: FCC seeks comment on Amazons request for waiver of accessibility requirements

[Sean Murphy]

Eric,

I like your concept and is something that I have promoted with other people. 
Not necessarily in the same method.

Government laws and education only goes so far. Money speaks far louder for 
public companies. 

So Eric, drop me a note off line so we can compare notes.

Sean 
On 09/08/2013, at 7:55 AM, eric oyen  wrote:

> well, there is one thing we can do to force the issue: everyone who is blind 
> should buy up 10 shares of amazon stock and then assign it to a trusted proxy 
> as a single voting block. If enough shares are allocated this way, the board 
> of directors will have no choice but to listen. Its an idea I have suggested 
> before, but it seems no one wants to do this, even when I know the method 
> will work. This seems to be the one problem our community has: we can't seem 
> to act in a unified fashion (I.E. the NFB v. the ACB, etc.). This needs to 
> change or we will be stuck and marginalized.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Aug 8, 2013, at 8:26 AM, Chris Blouch wrote:
> 
>> I'm always torn in the discussions of regulating accessibility. On the one 
>> side the lack of regulation means slacker companies will continue doing what 
>> they have been while companies who care will continue doing a good job. Once 
>> a law requiring accessibility hits a particular product the discussion 
>> usually turns to discerning the minimum that can be done to pass the bad 
>> smell test for the regulations (and avoid the fines). In other words, 
>> compliance does not equal accessibility. It's the age old choice between 
>> enlist or comply. If you enlist in the ideals I'm trying to persuade you 
>> about you're more likely to do a good job and not need much else to motivate 
>> your work. If you are complying then you're just trying to avoid getting hit 
>> by my stick and will do the minimum possible to stay beyond its reach. The 
>> former is the hope but the latter is CVAA and other regulations. It's 
>> unfortunate that companies have not figured out that by not doing 
>> accessibility when they had a choice means everybody is lessened when the 
>> choices are gone. Companies now have to prove compliance and add a lot of 
>> cost to the process and consumers get stuff that has the minimum 
>> accessibility slapped together to pass whatever tests are being used. A 
>> rather sad state.
>> 
>> CB
>> 
>> On 8/8/13 10:08 AM, Mike Arrigo wrote:
>>> There are other choices. The newest versions of android are just as 
>>> accessible, and these are made by several manufacturers.
>>> Original message:
 Hi all,
>>> 
 I really have to agree with Eric, here. In response to Barry, what Apple 
 did with the iPhone 3Gs was to make a main-stream device accessible to us. 
 And yes, that still has the potential to level the playing field . But the 
 playing field is hardly level if Apple is the only company doing this, if 
 for no other reason than what that means is that blind consumers would 
 only have one choice. I agree with Bary. I love my Apple products and have 
 absolutely no interest in personally owning a Kindle. But I work with lots 
 of students who do have them. Kindle does a lot more in textbooks than 
 other e-text providers, which means that people will want to buy these 
 devices for school. Isn't it reasonable to strive to have the same level 
 of choice in our mobile technology as our sighted peers? Sandy is right, 
 there's a big gap between the ideal and the current reality, but that's a 
 big reason why I think it's worth doing everything we can to stop Amazon 
 from getting this waiver. Barry may be correct, and that all our comments 
 may be for naught. However, the only way we'll know is to try.
 Best,
 Donna
 On Aug 8, 2013, at 5:01 AM, eric oyen  wrote:
>>> 
> and what is wrong with that? the powers that be try every way to keep us 
> penned up, but I do not accept that. We have the right to be able to live 
> the same as others (at least here in the U.S.). So, why should we accept 
> anything less?
>>> 
> -eric
>>> 
> On Aug 7, 2013, at 2:16 PM, Barry Hadder wrote:
>>> 
>> I recall a time not so long ago when i devices first became accessible, 
>> everyone thinking how that was going to level the playing field. It’s 
>> funny how quickly perspectives change.
>>> 
>> Now the bar has been raised even higher. The playing field will not be 
>> level until blind people have access to every cheep piece of crap in 
>> existence.
>> I should say that I’m happy with what Apple does and I have no desire to 
>> use anything else. That said however, I certainly think that it would be 
>> a very good think if other companies would realize the importance of 
>> opening their products up to other segments of society and not excluding 
>> them. I just don’t think that this is going to convince them.
>>> 
>> I don’t want to completely let Apple off the hook as it s

Re: features I wish Apple would have included

[Sean Murphy]

Hello all.

I hope they make it easier to delete contacts in the next version. Other 
feature sets I would like to see:


1. Being able to toggle on/off the bluetooth, wireless, VPN (if configured), 
3/4g from the status bar.

Improved voice recognition to permit you to create contacts, apps taking 
advantage of it and being able to issue commands within standard apps provided 
within IOS.

Being able to direct your audio to a different speaker when you are on the 
phone.

Sean 

On 12/06/2013, at 7:31 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Also the aeaility of wishing to save messages would be great as you could do 
> on the Nokia devices make new folders in messages and save the messages.
> 
> On 12 Jun 2013, at 10:27 AM, Daniela Rubio  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all!
>> I am very happy with what we have listened in the WWDC. One thing I would 
>> love, is to have the ability of copy the last to clipboard as we have in 
>> mac. That would help a lot for selecting chunks of text from different 
>> places including Safari, instead of having to do it by hand, or in the case 
>> of messages, with the edit option.
>> Best
>> 
>> Daniela Rubio T
>> iPhone: +34662328507
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> El 12/06/2013, a las 03:37, Jessica Moss  
>> escribió:
>> 
>>> Would love to see a delete all feature in all folders if iat all possible, 
>>> especially if you end up with a massive amount of e-mail, and don't have 
>>> time to delete/read 3 or 4 messages before more come in.
>>> On Jun 11, 2013, at 8:06 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:
>>> 
 Email rules and delete all as well  would be wonderful  come to think of 
 it. 
 
 
 
 Danny. 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 12/06/2013, at 9:42 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 
> One thing I'd love to see them include, is the option to mark message as 
> Spam, not spam, etc., the ability to transfer files you've transferred 
> from someone else's Itunes library to your own without the use of another 
> 3rd-party app, and in agreement, would love to see these devices be able 
> to be mounted as drives.
> On Jun 11, 2013, at 7:33 PM, Danny Noonan wrote:
> 
>> There are several things I would love but iOS becoming android isn't 1. 
>> I'd very much like Braille and Bluetooth keyboards to get more 
>> functionality. Command n for new email, document, iMessage in specific 
>> apps for example. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Danny. 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On 11/06/2013, at 10:29 PM, Annie Skov Nielsen 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I am very saticefied with IOS, I do not need many more options exept 
>>> for some braille options. I would really love, if we could get allowed 
>>> to make our own keyboard layout for our speciffic needs and to use all 
>>> our keys on our braille displays in a better way.
>>> 
>>> Best regards Annie.
>>> Den Jun 11, 2013 kl. 1:50 PM skrev Nicholas Parsons 
>>> :
>>> 
 I think the suggestions are fair enough. They're all good things but 
 as was said it's a matter of opinion and people will differ.
 
 Personally, I think Dropbox is a more than adequate replacement to a 
 file management system. In fact it's much better than anything Apple 
 could do as it's cross platform and just awesome. So if you don't yet 
 use Dropbox, go get it now.
 
 As for typing, I'm not all that big on Flexy. I much prefer 
 BrailleTouch. But, with either app I still feel I really need the 
 built in iOS keyboard at the end to do any final editing. Neither of 
 those apps (Flexy and BrailleTouch) are very good at editing once 
 you've already typed. At least Flexy wasn't last time I used it which, 
 admittedly, was a while ago.
 
 I don't think I really need additional TTS on my iPhone for anything. 
 Hence I don't bother with VoiceDream. I don't mind an additional 100MB 
 here or there on my device either as I tend to have much more storage 
 than I really need. I would, however, like the option to download 
 additional premium voices. I don't like being stuck with only one 
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Re: question for the geeks: sftp

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.


I hope you are not getting confused with Secure FTP which is called SFTP? SSh 
uses encryption between the server and client to hide all data. You can use SSH 
to copy files from one machine to another using SCP.

SFTP uses a different port then SSH. I would have to look up the protocol list 
to find it out. Standard ftp uses port 21 and 20 from memory. I think SFTP uses 
96 but not 100% sure. Any way, FTP or SFTP uses ASCII or Binary mode.

I hope this clears up things. 

Sean 
On 07/06/2013, at 1:24 AM, Chris Blouch  wrote:

> ssh is encrypted so the actual data going between two boxes is binary. In 
> some respects the whole binary/text thing has gone away as very few data 
> formats can live with just ascii characters, so sftp defaults to binary. In 
> reality the text mode of FTP was just a cheat to save on how much data was 
> sent. Why send the full 8-bits when you can get away with only 7 for text? 
> Not so much these days.
> 
> You only need to port forward (poke a firewall hole) for 22 to make both sftp 
> and ssh work.
> 
> As far as OSX goes, ssh and sftp is turned on with the Remote Login setting. 
> I've never heard of somebody turning on just one or the other but it's 
> probably doable, just not from the GUI. There is an old (2007) discussion on 
> this here: http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=2007110914083783
> 
> Not sure using some random port for sftp is much of an advantage as your 
> users will all have to have this advanced knowledge to get in. Nice thing is 
> that if you're doing this through your firewall you could map port 3141 on 
> the public side to 22 on the Mac's side and not have to do anything special 
> on the Mac. At least I'm assuming so since I've never tried that. How much 
> trouble you put users through depends on the value of what's on that server. 
> If you really want people to upload in a controlled way you might be better 
> off just setting up a web page with an upload button and form submit handler.
> 
> I've never had to fiddle with the user's shell. OSX defaults to bash.
> 
> You could make a link from your shared folder of stuff you want users to 
> access to their account directory. Then it will be right where they are 
> dropped. Default is to drop folks into the /Users/shortname folder where 
> shortname is the shortened username created when the account was set up in 
> Users & Groups.
> 
> I suspect ftp is a legacy username which probably isn't used for anything 
> these days but needs to be there in case some other software needs it 
> sometime.
> 
> CB
> 
> On 6/6/13 8:48 AM, Paul Erkens wrote:
>> Dear geeks on here,
>> 
>> After doing some research, I understand that I can host my own SFTP server 
>> on my mac. To do this is a bit of a challenge, and I have a couple of 
>> questions in advance that you may know the answers to.
>> 
>> 1. As I understand it, SFTP is a protocol that runs inside, or over, SSH. 
>> All I've seen from SSH, is that it is a nice way to terminal into another 
>> mac. How can SFTP be done over a back and forth text connection? FTP is 
>> mostly binary, at least almost always for file transfers. Clearly, I'm still 
>> missing some basics here.
>> 
>> 2. Is it true that SSH and SFTP both use, and only use, port 22 on the 
>> listening server? In other words, do I need to forward other ports besides 
>> 22?
>> 
>> 3. Can I have one without the other? In other words: if I need an SFTP 
>> server to function, can I still prevent folks from logging in, to do 
>> terminal like things over ssh? I'm asking because, if you turn on remote 
>> login from within the sharing item of system preferences, then not only do 
>> you turn on SFTP, but also SCP and regular SSH.
>> Using telnet or in this case its secure version ssh, someone could go 
>> virtually anywhere. Using SFTP however, I can restrict which folders other 
>> users see. I'm still piecing the concept together in my mind. Is it possible 
>> to run an SFTP service while blocking regular SSH terminal sessions out?
>> 
>> 4. Is it a good idea to choose a different listening port on my router, that 
>> other users can SFTP into? Usually it is 22, but to obscure the SFTP server 
>> a bit, I could choose another listening port, correct? Are there any 
>> technical disadvantages that I should keep in mind when choosing an 
>> alternative incoming SFTP port?
>> 
>> 5. An interesting part. To allow a user to do SFTP, and this is what I don't 
>> understand, I need to go into the user's advanced options, and then set the 
>> user shell to /bin/bash. Why should I do this at all? I want them to SFTP, I 
>> don't want them to do SSH commands. So first, what means /usr/bin/false and 
>> why does it need to point to bash instead?
>> 
>> 6. I also need to set the user's home directory. I have a lot of stuff to 
>> offer, but if I gave each user his or her own home directory, then how do 
>> they get to my files repository from there, once they are logged in?
>> 
>> 7. Ther

Re: App Accessibility: Please Read!

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,


Each country has different consumer laws where your rights are protected. Since 
Apple has a centre in a lot of countries. The laws for that country apply. In 
the example of a $150.00 app isn't accessible or meets the users needs. In 
Australia you have grounds to get a refund. In fact, I believe there is an link 
on the Apple web site to permit you to get this refund. I believe the UK has 
similar laws to Australia. 

I do not know if the USA has these consumer laws, in protecting your rights.



In relation to rating apps or even having a method of tagging if it is 
accessible. If it is left up to the end-user. Then software houses can game the 
ranking. This has occurred on any platform where you can rank the application. 
So it isn't a Apple specific issue I  am referring to here. Example:

I create an app that claims to be accessible. Then I spend a day ranking it 
high with the accessibility ranking flag. Result, you cannot trust the ranking 
system completely.


Since Apple provides the libraries to be used by developers. Then I am sure it 
would be possible to have a script that detects the usage of the libraries for 
Voice-Over. Then a flag could be raised indicating there is possible 
accessibility in this app. The only true way to test an app is by a person.

Sean 
On 22/04/2013, at 9:30 AM, "Chris Gilland"  wrote:

> I wasn't going to chime in, but when you mentioned about the refund polacy... 
> allow me to tell you all what Itunes Store Support said once to me.  It was 
> enough to where it almost caused me to boycott and never ever use Apple 
> products again.
> 
> I bought an app which the dev kept swearing left and right would work with 
> Voiceover, though didn't offer a trial.  I tried making special arrangements 
> with him for a serial number which he could activate for me for 8 to 12 
> hours, just long enough for me to try it, and see if it worked, with the 
> promise that I'd buy it if it worked.  Even still, he refused.  This app was 
> around $150.  So, not cheap, to say the very least.  I finally bit the bullet 
> and bought the app on the app store.  Not only was it not accessible in the 
> least, thus proving the dev's assumption incorrect, but when I wrote the dev, 
> he never replied back to me, and never cared that I had bought the product 
> but was having an issue.  suffice it to say, Finally, I took it up with 
> Apple.  They gave me the whole shenanigan of:  well, it's not our problem 
> that you bought an inaccessible app, you should have done your research more 
> thoroughly, blah blah, blah.  I explained to them I did everything! within my 
> power to test the accessibility before buying, but the dev was totally 
> uncooperative.  They still maintained that it's not their problem, and to get 
> over it young.  When I explained it was $150, all they seemed to be capable 
> of saying was, ouch!  that's a lot, followed by their canded appologies.  I 
> finally requested a refund.  As this point, they told me flat out, even if it 
> was music in the ITunes music store that had been corrupted, the bottom line 
> was, accessibility not withstanding, quote unquote:  we don't refund blind 
> people.  That was literally their exact words, I swear, to, god!  We? do not? 
> refund, blind people!  I almost puked when hearing this!  I couldn't believe 
> my ears!
> 
> Needless to say, I contacted a lawyer her works for the NFB, and we'll just 
> say he didn't even have to take the case pro-bono.  He called them on my 
> behalf, and well... we'll just say by the end of the day, I had not only a 
> refund, but I got twice! the amount I initially paid refunded back to me.
> 
> Needless to say, people don't wanna F with me, on the level of bad customer 
> service ediquet, cause believe me:  I will! get things done, case closed.
> 
> Anyway, my point is, I totally! agree with you that a polacy should be made, 
> not necessarily to refund people who get inaccessible apps, don't get me 
> wrong, but at the very! least, one that says in both the IOS app store, as 
> well as the mac app store, there needs to be a requirement to submit some 
> form of a trial version of your product.  Maybe I'm over-reacting, but come 
> on!  $150 later and now you're gonna tell me you don't refund quote: 
> bl'l'lind people?  I'm sorry, but, that's  a crocka, you know what...
> 
> Chris.
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Steve Holmes" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:08 PM
> Subject: Re: App Accessibility: Please Read!
> 
> 
> I especially like the idea of getting refunds for inaccessible apps. How many 
> times has someone gone out and bought an app only to find it impossible to 
> use with VO? That's why I like going to AppleVis to see if there is any 
> mention of a proposed app before buying. There won't always be something 
> there but worth a look. AppleVis is an excellent resource for a11y 
> information for the time being.
> 
> I tend to agree with the previous poster expressi

Re: Serious question about Mac vs. Windows

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,


There is no such thing as a perfect solution when dealing with accessibility 
for computers. Windows and Mac have their advantages and disadvantages. 


There is really no point comparing Windows with Mac. They are completely 
different for a screen reader user. The OS is very different as well. It is 
like comparing Apples against oranges. The hardware is the only common 
component. 

VO isn't as flexible as windows screen reader. If the program does not use the 
accessibility libraries then you cannot use the program. Under windows you can 
get around this by the OSM technology they use. In saying this, once a program 
uses the Coco accessibility libraries for the MAC, then the app is very usable 
and accessible. While Windows it is far more complex in getting standard GUI 
apps to work with screen readers. 

Web browsing is good on non-html 5.0 web pages. I use some very complex web 
pages that Safari/VO fail to work with or to use the web page. You have to do 
far more actions to use the page. While under windows this issue doesn't occur. 


Everything I am referring to is the methodology used by Apple with their 
Accessibility compare to Windows. The other factor is you have to wait for OS 
upgrades for the Mac before you get any improvements to VO, if they even 
include any.  The apple methodology has a lot of strengths and make's it very 
easy for developers to make accessible software. The Windows is slowly going 
the same way.

Finally, do a SWAT analysis on your needs and find out if the Mac provides that 
software at the same level of usage you currently use. In other words, if you 
do a lot of word processing. Then identify all the features you use such as 
tables and columns, bullet points, etc. Then find out which platform gives you 
the easier and effective access to those features. 


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Re: Games.

[Sean Murphy]

Inquisitor is another VI friendly game which is very good. Costs about 18:00 
On 29/03/2013, at 10:16 AM, Jessica Moss  wrote:

> That would be nice, I'm adicted to spider solitare, and loved playing it on 
> my Windows machine, which I'm about to sell, considering that I don't use it 
> for anything else.
> On Mar 27, 2013, at 10:35 PM, anita wrote:
> 
>> No, can't play Solitaire, at this time: maybe Apple will come out with an 
>> accessible VO version.
>> - Original Message - From: "Pete Nalda" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2013 9:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: Games.
>> 
>> 
>> I think the only game the Macbook Pro comes with, is Chess, in your 
>> Applications folder.  The best place to find more games is the App Store, 
>> which probably is on your dock.  Both PokerHD, and BlackjackHD, are 
>> accessible.  Don't remember the cost of each right off hand, but that's 2 
>> that I know of that are accessible.  If you have some vision, you might also 
>> enjoy McSolitaire, which I think is free, but the free version only offers 
>> Klondike.  Anyway, check out the App Store for more ideas.  Hope this helps.
>> 
>> On Mar 27, 2013, at 8:40 PM, "anita"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi List,
>>>   Does the MacBook Pros have games? If not, can anyone recommend where I 
>>> could download?
>>>   Anita
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Re: OT: Samsung Suing Apple Over Voice Over!

[Sean Murphy]

All.

Android is the OS on their phones which is developed by Google, not them. So I 
really don't understand the pattern issue since as far as I am aware, they have 
not developed any accessibility software on mobile phones? Do anyone know 
otherwise?
On 25/02/2013, at 2:11 PM, Steve Holmes  wrote:

> This is not necessarily a molehill. what if the German courts had sided with 
> Samsung? this could have had repercussions worldwide. Also, it was a stay - 
> delay till a patent ruling is completed.  In other words, it isn't over yet. 
> We need to keep looking back over our shoulders in case similar rulings could 
> happen in the US. These patent wars can adversely affect many of us if we sit 
> around and do nothing. We need to be concerned and keep out a watchful eye to 
> protect our rights and the accessible improvements we all enjoy.
> 
> On Feb 22, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Dave  wrote:
> 
>> Can we all just take a chill pill here?
>> 
>> Samsung makes some of the best televisions on the planet.
>> 
>> What happened in Germany has little if anything to do with accessibility at 
>> all.
>> 
>> It was part of an ongoing legal maneuver to prevent Apple from kicking their 
>> ass in sales and market share.
>> 
>> There's no reason to boycott Samsung for something a bunch of lawyers did in 
>> a foreign country.
>> 
>> Why is it that blind people have to make a mountain out of molehills at 
>> every opportunity?
>> 
>> 
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Re: OT: Change.Org Petition Samsung Attack On Vlind

[Sean Murphy]

The missing point is why they are raising the case in Germany? Not in their own 
country or USA? I suspect their own country doesn't have as strong IP laws. 
They have lost a case in the USA against Apple, so are they thinking lets use a 
different country outside USA to see how it floats?


Who knows what laws are in their own country surrounding accessibility?

Sean 
On 25/02/2013, at 4:03 PM, Eric Oyen  wrote:

> perhaps apple should break loose of some of their huge sums of spare cash and 
> simply buy out Samsung completely (its called a hostile takeover). that would 
> solve a number of problems all at once.
> 
> -eric
> 
> On Feb 24, 2013, at 7:57 PM, James Mannion wrote:
> 
>> In reading some further posts on the web, this is worse than I
>> thought. The only article I read earlier today lead me to believe it
>> was about the triple click home to start voiceover. IT is not. IT is
>> about the very heart of voiceover for us, its ability to read things
>> on the screen. An article points out that this is the case and that
>> Samsung is not even trying to protect their technology for
>> accessibility, they are simply using it as a weapon. So they are
>> completely putting us up as a sacrifice for their battles. One can
>> only hope the courts will see right through this and consider it
>> exactly what it is.
>> 
>> http://www.fosspatents.com/2013/02/german-court-stays-samsungs-voiceover.html
>> 
>> "one. Samsung didn't assert this German patent in an effort to protect
>> its investment
>> in accessibility. It elected to use an accessibility-related patent as
>> a tactical
>> weapon. Patent protection and enforcement can be justified in certain 
>> scenarios.
>> For example, if there are two companies competing in the market for
>> hearing aids,
>> it's generally legitimate for them to assert accessibility-related
>> patents against
>> each other. I would also support the idea of accessibility patent 
>> enforcement in
>> cases of willful infringement, and if Samsung had only requested
>> monetary compensation
>> in this action, it would have made a much better choice than by trying
>> to achieve,
>> through the pursuit of an injunction, the deactivation or (more
>> realistically) degradation
>> of the voiceover functionality Apple provides to its German customers.
>> In recent weeks I have been contacted by a couple of journalists who
>> report on and
>> care about accessibility issues. One of them told me he's blind. I
>> completely understand
>> why the vision-impaired are concerned when they hear about a lawsuit
>> like this one.
>> Maybe there's a cultural difference here between Asia and the Western
>> hemisphere.
>> In the United States and Europe, people may be more sensitive to this
>> type of issue
>> than in Korea. I don't think Samsung is evil. I really don't. But it should 
>> give
>> more thought to the wider implications of its retaliatory actions
>> against Apple."
>> 
>> On 2/24/13, James Mannion  wrote:
>>> So incredibly ridiculous too. Block the sale of a product under the
>>> excuse that a comman is entered in the same way and then add to it the
>>> fact that it does not even control something that is equal in
>>> functionality either! There just aren't even words to describe it.
>>> This law suit flinging is worse than 5 year olds. At least they have
>>> an excuse for acting childish and they are more reasonable when they
>>> do. If you can't stand your competition, maybe you just don't make a
>>> worthy product to begin with. You know, one that would sell itself by
>>> the millions? If because of your competition your sales are less, your
>>> product sucks!
>>> 
>>> On 2/24/13, Jessica Moss  wrote:
 Join the club, not just for that reason, but the last time I bought one
 of
 their products, the Intrepid phone with Sprint, I had problem after
 problem
 with it.  It crashed repeatedly, when I did the slightest thing with it,
 and
 nobody at the Sprint stores I took it to could figure out what was wrong
 with it, and continuously tried to blame the Mobile Speak software for it
 crashing, which was upsetting to me.
 So after about the 4th or 5th time it did this, and this was after I
 had
 to have help resetting it 2 days in a row, I just didn't reinstall Mobile
 Speak again, and decided to pay full price for a 32 gb IPhone, sense I
 unfortunately wasn't elegible for an upgrade yet, and wasn't willing to
 wait
 anymore.
 So now my Intrepid is now one of Hannah's toys, and she loves to
 pretend
 to call her Granddad, and check her messages lol.
 On Feb 24, 2013, at 8:47 PM, James Mannion wrote:
 
> I agree that I will not ever support Samsung either because of this.
> Nice how they do not really do anything that indicates any real
> interest in helping us to better use their products, but they are
> willing to cash us in as a sacrifice to attack the competition. This
> childish corru

Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

[Sean Murphy]

Hi All.

Ms Office for windows is equal to the Mac version. Only reason why it is so 
accessible is by third party vendors, not by Microsoft. Microsoft provided the 
DOM environment to permit third parties to create scripts in any language to do 
custom actions. So JFW and Window-eyes, plus other window screen reader have 
taken advantage of this, resulting in a very accessible program. 

So the MS Office team under Windows is not even that committed to 
accessibility. Sure they have included the MSAA components for specific areas 
like menus and dialogs. But the edit area within Word for example is just 
equally inaccessible as the Mac. I haven't use the Windows provided screen 
reader for a long time. But I believe it doesn't even access the document area. 
If I am in error, then please correct in relation to this point.

So Sara, this is an opportunity for MS to fix it on both platforms. Specially 
with the improvements I understand are in the new version of Windows 8.


Also everyone, you must relies that MS Windows is industry standard and there 
are not many companies who don't use Office.

Just for the list, I will list some of the features that Office Word should 
make exposed:

Being able to navigate the document by character, word, line, sentence, 
paragraph.
Detecting different fonts, attributes of fonts, point sizes, colour of fonts, 
line heights, etc.
Styles being used.
tables and navigation of them.
Column detection and navigation of them.
Page detection 
Detection of graphics.
Detections of borders and their properties 
Bullets, list, indents and their properties.
detection of spelling and gramma errors.


Is there anything else I have missed everyone?

Sean 
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>> My input here is that what you are stating is that by the time Word and 
>> Excel become accessible most people either won't switch or like something 
>> better.
>> On 2013-02-04, at 5:31 AM, Max  wrote:
>> 
>>> A few notes on MS Office for Mac OS from my perspective:
>>> 
>>> -In my experience both Word and Excel are unusable. In Word I 
>>> cannot actually write and read back what I’ve written. In Excel, I can’t 
>>> navigate and manipulate cells. For these reasons I do not use either 
>>> programme on the Mac. Really, this is very basic and MS should be ashamed 
>>> of themselves for shipping such an unaccessible  product.
>>> 
>>> -The fact that Word is broken on Mac has forced me to explore 
>>> alternatives. I’ve leart to use both Pages and Scrivener. I am now a 
>>> Scrivener fan and would probably not go back to Word even if it became 
>>> accessible on Mac. I would probably never even have tried Scrivener had 
>>> Word been accessible.
>>> 
>>> -I am encouraged that MS is seemingly trying to take accessibility 
>>> more seriously. However, good intentions only go so far. Even their own 
>>> operating system is inaccessible without extremely expensive third party 
>>> software like JAWS. Apple has put them to shame with Voice Over. I will 
>>> only believe in change at MS once I see it. Until they start putting their 
>>> code where their mouth is, I will encourage other blind people to switch to 
>>> Mac.
>>> 
>>> Finally, my criticism above obviously does not apply to Sarah, but rather 
>>> to MS as a whole. Thank you Sarah for joining the list and taking the time 
>>> to read all the comments posted here. Hopefully you can be part of a new 
>>> more decent MS.
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

[Sean Murphy]

Sara,

I would suggest you visit the Apple web accessibility pages. this is a good 
starting point. There is documentation on the Mac itself for Voice-Over which 
will also give you help.

Shortcut of commands to help:

command f5 activates/deactivates Voice-over. Note, if you are using the default 
behaviour of the function keys. Then you will have to include the fn key 
assuming you are using a laptop or the newer bluetooth keyboards.

option control is regarded as the VO command.
vo left and right arrow moves between controls.
vo shift up and down arrow interact with objects. Like Edit, tables, etc. 
vo h open help menu.
vo k turns on keyboard help. Press keys with vo and you will hear their 
function.
vo ? opens help
vo down/up arrow moves up and down.
vo space activates an item.


That should be enough for you to start with.

Sean 
On 05/02/2013, at 4:39 AM, SaraFord  wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>  
> Wow, thanks for all the responses! I appreciate the warm welcome. I’ve read 
> all the comments, even though I'm replying to the middle of the thread. And I 
> have taken notes. I’ve also learned that there are also other areas I need to 
> investigate that I wouldn’t have known about if it wasn’t for this thread.
>  
> For what it’s worth, my personal philosophy is that software is about people. 
> Sure, at the end of the day, the code must be written correctly, but it is 
> the experiences of the people who both use the code and write the code that 
> matter the most. So thanks again for sharing your experiences with me. It is 
> all about people.
>  
> One question I have for this forum is where might I find the best training 
> materials for learning Voice Over? As I mentioned previously, I’ve been 
> trained in the past on Window Eyes and JAWS. I’m hoping there are some online 
> courses or documentation out there so I can learn to use Voice Over 
> effectively. It doesn’t matter what application the training is for. I just 
> need to get used to the keyboard shortcuts and how Voice Over structures its 
> Text to Speech output.
>  
> Thanks,
> -sara
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Re: help with script speaking bluetooth

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

Would people be interested in a VO apple script or a list on scripting VO?
On 01/02/2013, at 9:28 AM, Traci  wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I found a toggle bluetooth script online, and I'm trying to expand it so the 
> mac voice will say the status as I toggle bluetooth on/off.
> 
> I have it saying bluetooth on, but I can't get it the other way around.
> 
> For future replies, can I paste the script in a message to you guys?
> 
> Thanks,
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Re: help with script speaking bluetooth

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

The say function is the system speech. I believe it is output that should be 
used to get Voice-Over to talk. A Friend and I found this function flakey. 

Sean 
On 01/02/2013, at 11:03 AM, Traci  wrote:

> Ok, here it is. I added the part of speaking bluetooth on. The toggle works 
> perfectly, I'd just like the voice to say on/off.
> 
> I have a similar script for wiFi, and I got that one to say on/off.
> 
> tell application "System Preferences"
>   reveal pane id "com.apple.preferences.Bluetooth"
>   -- activate -- optional, just if you want to display the window
>   tell application "System Events" to tell process "System Preferences"
>   click checkbox "On" of window 1
>   say "bluetooth on"
>   end tell
>   quit
> end tell
> 
> Thanks,
> Traci
> 1 step, 2 step, ... 1,311 steps! I can do the BIG CLIMB 2013, with your 
> support. Our efforts  will help make a big difference in the fight against 
> blood cancers. Please give to the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Learn more & 
> donate here. Thank you.
>   
> http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735&pg=personal&fr_id=1250
> 
> On Jan 31, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> I'd love to see the script, go ahead and paste it. It won't do anything to 
>> any mac unless the user copies it and compiles it, so go ahead and toss it 
>> in your reply and we'll see what we can make of it.
>> On Jan 31, 2013, at 5:28 PM, Traci  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I found a toggle bluetooth script online, and I'm trying to expand it so 
>>> the mac voice will say the status as I toggle bluetooth on/off.
>>> 
>>> I have it saying bluetooth on, but I can't get it the other way around.
>>> 
>>> For future replies, can I paste the script in a message to you guys?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Traci
>>> 1 step, 2 step, ... 1,311 steps! I can do the BIG CLIMB 2013, with your 
>>> support. Our efforts  will help make a big difference in the fight against 
>>> blood cancers. Please give to the Leukemia & Lymphoma Society. Learn more & 
>>> donate here. Thank you.
>>>   
>>> http://www.llswa.org/site/TR/Events/BigClimb?px=1570735&pg=personal&fr_id=1250
>>> 
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>> Have a great day,
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

[Sean Murphy]

All,


If you want something to change, then you have to be involved. Regardless of 
what has occurred in the past, we have an opportunity now to get some changes.

Sara, I have already sent you quite a detailed email from your blog. I also 
will send you some private communication from my work account. I cannot post 
this information hear due to the nature of the communication.
 

Sean 




> Thanks John and Sarah. I agree this access to Office is vital in my
> line of work with cooperating with clients we work with in our field.
> 
> Gabe Vega
> CEO
> Commtech LLC
> Web: http://commtechusa.net
> Email: i...@commtechusa.net
> Phone: (623) 565-9357
> 
> On Feb 1, 1:02 pm, "J.P."  wrote:
>> Welcome Sara,
>>  I am glad you made it on the list. I'm excited to see what comes of this. 
>> To my fellow peers on this list, Sara and I have been communicating everyday 
>> for a week. I can assure you she is interested. Just by the questions she 
>> has asked. I personally wrote a note to Microsoft about the lack of 
>> accessibility. sara contacted me the very next day. I appreciate that when I 
>> explained about our lists, she took the initiative herself to join. I 
>> contacted the moderator last night to expedite getting her here. It's more 
>> genuine coming from her. Me not being the middle man.
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Re: o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! Important: read and leave comments!

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All,

Reach out to MS accessibility team and to raise the awareness or tell 
Microsoft. This is the only way they will change. Doesn't matter if you have 
already done this. More people who do it, the better. I have already done this.
On 31/01/2013, at 9:19 AM, Chris Bruinenberg  wrote:

> Hi JP.
> Thank you for this information.
> I have had to purchase pages and nidus writer.
> I would love microsoft office to be accessible.
> I think it would be great but the only drawback is the edit area isn't 
> accessible.
> Thanks.
> Chris
> 
> On Jan 30, 2013, at 1:55 PM, jshandr...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
>> o. t.: Microsoft Office for Mac! 
>> Important: read and leave comments!
>> 
>> Hey guys! 
>> I contacted Microsoft this week about the accessibility of Office for Mac. I 
>> have been in contact with a very nice woman who is now heading up 
>> Microsoft's Mac accessibility. I explained to her that Office for Mac was 
>> completely inaccessible with voice over. I explained to her how we either 
>> need to run a virtual machine or Bootcamp. I'm writing this post for 
>> everyone to leave their experiences. Most important, leave your thoughts how 
>> accessibility can be improved. Please be nice with comments. She will be 
>> reading this. She really is perceptive to our feedback. She wasn't aware how 
>> inaccessible it was with voice over. She had worked with accessibility on 
>> the PC side, so this is our opportunity to explain what is lacking for Mac. 
>> She also agrees that we should only have to load one piece of software end 
>> work out of the box. Not have to run a virtual machine. Thanks for your 
>> help. 
>> j. p. 
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Re: iTunes gift card

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Hi All.

If you get a gift card, can you top it up yourself?
On 29/01/2013, at 3:45 PM, Esther  wrote:

> Hi Kerri,
> 
> If you redeem an iTunes gift card for your account, purchases will
> always first use any available credit in your account before charging
> your credit card.  If you're left with $.50 credit and your purchase
> is for $0.99, the balance of your credit will be used, and then your
> credit card will be debited for the remaining $0.49.  So there's no
> need to disable the automatic payment feature.
> 
> HTH.  Cheers,
> 
> Esther
> 
> On Jan 28, 6:19 pm, Kerri  wrote:
>> Hello, all. I was given an iTunes gift crd for my birthday and want to make 
>> use of it. However, I have my credit card connected to my apple id; how do I 
>> temporarily disable the automatic payment through the card? Thanks and have 
>> a great day.
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Re: V M Ware Question

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Yes, you can connect a keyboard with a insert key or if you are in the USA. You 
can purchase the Bluetooth number pad from Apple to use as an extra keyboard 
for your Mac.

On 18/08/2012, at 10:50 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:

> True so if I need the insert key can I connect a windows keyboard while 
> running windows?
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy
> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 20:40
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: V M Ware Question
>  
> Hi,
>  
> Remember that Mac does not have a insert key. If you require this key, then 
> you will have to modify the keyboard within Windows, VMWare or on the Mac to 
> permit this to occur. There have been many posts on this on different lists 
> discussing how.
>  
> Sean 
> On 17/08/2012, at 9:48 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:
> 
> 
> Good morning folks I assume now that I have VM Ware installed running windows 
> 7 64 and Window eyes that I can use most of the hot key commands within 
> windows?
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Re: V M Ware Question

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Hi,

Remember that Mac does not have a insert key. If you require this key, then you 
will have to modify the keyboard within Windows, VMWare or on the Mac to permit 
this to occur. There have been many posts on this on different lists discussing 
how.

Sean 
On 17/08/2012, at 9:48 PM, Jesus Garcia wrote:

> Good morning folks I assume now that I have VM Ware installed running windows 
> 7 64 and Window eyes that I can use most of the hot key commands within 
> windows?
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

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Hello Paul,


No problems. I use the Focus 40 USB version with no problems. If you don't 
connect the USB device to VMWare, then the Guess will not recognise it. Ideally 
you should do this while the OS is loading.

Sean 
On 18/08/2012, at 1:56 AM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Sean. I no longer have access to the Focus 40. I was trying to connect 
> the USB version of the Focus and never got it to connect. My wife has Windows 
> installed in a Bootcamp partition and the focus connected fine with it. I 
> assume that Blue Tooth works properly.
>  
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> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:41 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello Paul,
>  
> This is wrong. I can use Focus 40 FS braille display in VMWare fusion with no 
> problems. How are you connecting? The issue could be related to the method of 
> connection.
>  
> if you are successfully connecting to the Mac and then you need check your 
> Fusion setup. The hardware is still controlled by the Mac and Fusion. If 
> windows doesn't see the relevant method you are using to connect, then all 
> bets are  off.
>  
> Sean 
> On 16/08/2012, at 12:33 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Alex. I’m using Windows 7 in VM Fusion. Yes, In many instances it can 
> take a minute or two to recognize pages. On the other hand, my wife has 
> Windows XP running in Bootcamp and pages are recognized in a matter of 
> seconds. There are a couple of other things you should know. Focus Braille 
> Drivers do not load in the Virtual Machine and Freedom Scientific is not 
> willing to help resolve the issue because they don’t support running JAWS or 
> any of their applications in Virtual machines. Finally, any time you change 
> the configuration of your Virtual Machine you lose an activation. Freedom 
> Scientific is not willing to issue additional keys very often. On the plus 
> side, You can install Windows without sighted assistance. You can also add 
> printers and read and write documents stored on the Mac side. In addition, 
> because your virtual machine is just an image, it’s easy to restore it from a 
> backup. So you can see that thare are tradeoffs. After considering all of 
> them, I’m willing to switch over to Bootcamp for the increased performance. 
> I’ll use Drop Box whenever I need to move folders from the Mac side to the 
> Windows side.
>  
> HTH
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello,
> Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
> Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?
>  
> Thanks
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Hunt
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works 
> fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
> past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
> I have two quick questions to get started.
> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
> I just go with VMWare fusion?
> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
> but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>  
> Thanks
> Damashe
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Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro

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Hello Paul,

This is wrong. I can use Focus 40 FS braille display in VMWare fusion with no 
problems. How are you connecting? The issue could be related to the method of 
connection.

if you are successfully connecting to the Mac and then you need check your 
Fusion setup. The hardware is still controlled by the Mac and Fusion. If 
windows doesn't see the relevant method you are using to connect, then all bets 
are  off.

Sean 
On 16/08/2012, at 12:33 PM, Paul Hunt wrote:

> Hello Alex. I’m using Windows 7 in VM Fusion. Yes, In many instances it can 
> take a minute or two to recognize pages. On the other hand, my wife has 
> Windows XP running in Bootcamp and pages are recognized in a matter of 
> seconds. There are a couple of other things you should know. Focus Braille 
> Drivers do not load in the Virtual Machine and Freedom Scientific is not 
> willing to help resolve the issue because they don’t support running JAWS or 
> any of their applications in Virtual machines. Finally, any time you change 
> the configuration of your Virtual Machine you lose an activation. Freedom 
> Scientific is not willing to issue additional keys very often. On the plus 
> side, You can install Windows without sighted assistance. You can also add 
> printers and read and write documents stored on the Mac side. In addition, 
> because your virtual machine is just an image, it’s easy to restore it from a 
> backup. So you can see that thare are tradeoffs. After considering all of 
> them, I’m willing to switch over to Bootcamp for the increased performance. 
> I’ll use Drop Box whenever I need to move folders from the Mac side to the 
> Windows side.
>  
> HTH
>  
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Damashe Thomas
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 9:04 PM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello,
> Thanks for the notice Alex, I will take a look at virtualbox also.
> Paul, is performance terrible with openbook?
>  
> Thanks
> - Original Message -
> From: Paul Hunt
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 7:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Two questions about virtual machines and a brief intro
>  
> Hello Damash. I have been using fusion for two years. In general it works 
> fine but peformance is much better with bootcamp especially with Open Book.
> 
> On Aug 15, 2012, at 11:39 AM, "Damashe Thomas"  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello List,
>  
> My name is Damashe Thomas and I am fairly new to the macvisionaries group. I 
> live in the great state of Georgia. I have been a very happy iOS user for the 
> past four years and am preparing to make the move to the mac.
> I have two quick questions to get started.
> Does anyone have experience with the latest version of parallels and can 
> speak about the accessibility of that app. Is it a possible option or should 
> I just go with VMWare fusion?
> I like the ability to run windows in a virtual machine when I have to use it, 
> but has anyone run in to any issues using applications like kurzweil or 
> openbook in a virtual windows environment?
>  
> Thanks
> Damashe
>  
> Skype:
> damashe.thomas
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Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?

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GFC is global  Financial Crises  which occurred in 2009. I work for an 
international company which is getting ready for it now. 

Sean 
On 26/06/2012, at 9:41 PM, Daniela Rubio wrote:

> I agree that we need to mace always constructive comments. Just a little 
> question, What is GFC? I don't know.
> Thanks!
> 
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> El 26/06/2012, a las 13:37, Sean Murphy escribió:
> 
>> All.
>> 
>> I really get tied of seeing these bashing threads on different OS's and 
>> screen reader. This isn't productive at all and shows quite a negative 
>> outlook.
>> 
>> Each model has positive and negative components which they range beyond what 
>> has been discussed thus far. If you believe there is improvements required. 
>> Then actively reach out to the relevant companies and send them positive and 
>> constructive information to them. If you require more people to help, then 
>> reach out to the relevant  blind lists to get others to help you to support 
>> your change. This applies for any app on any OS. Lets work as a group, 
>> rather then complaining why this or that doesn't work. A larger group can 
>> make a change, compared to a single person.
>> 
>> The windows screen reader companies have done an amazing effort with the 
>> restrictions  to the inner workings  of the OS. which they have had. Apple 
>> also has done an excellent job in the short period of time. 
>>> 
>>>>>> Freedom Scientific in the late 90's made an word office applications  
>>>>>> accessible at a level where it was not available before. 
>>>>>> Window-eyes change the way people on the Windows platform interacted 
>>>>>> with web browsers.  Orca also has done an amazing improvements to 
>>>>>> Xwindows with no real budget at all and uses a similar model as Apple. 
>>>>>> So a lot of amazing work has done to improve the accessibility of 
>>>>>> products. We are no where near at the end of the road. All OS's, 
>>>>>> applications and screen reading software have improvements. Give credit 
>>>>>> due to these companies with their effort and  dedication in making very 
>>>>>> usable products under a very difficult environments.
>> 
>> 
>> One comment I will make. Historically Apple have been very positive with 
>> accessibility. Having the foundation they have makes it a lot easier for 
>> developers to make their products more accessible. The question I would 
>> raise is  what would happen to apples commitment to accessibility if the GFC 
>> occurs again  which is being predicted. This Time they are saying it is 
>> going to last for many years.  If comes to crunch and Apple has to make a 
>> decision on what features are not going to be developed or improved, will 
>> accessibility be the first to go?  Will apple continue putting the same 
>> effort or would they place the level of accessibility on hold? Apple as yet 
>> have not been placed in this situation and it will be interesting to see 
>> what occurs, if this ever eventuates to find out what Apple does.
>> . 
>> 
>> 
>> Sean 
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Re: is a paid screenreader for the mac a option?

[Sean Murphy]

All.

I really get tied of seeing these bashing threads on different OS's and screen 
reader. This isn't productive at all and shows quite a negative outlook.

Each model has positive and negative components which they range beyond what 
has been discussed thus far. If you believe there is improvements required. 
Then actively reach out to the relevant companies and send them positive and 
constructive information to them. If you require more people to help, then 
reach out to the relevant  blind lists to get others to help you to support 
your change. This applies for any app on any OS. Lets work as a group, rather 
then complaining why this or that doesn't work. A larger group can make a 
change, compared to a single person.

The windows screen reader companies have done an amazing effort with the 
restrictions  to the inner workings  of the OS. which they have had. Apple also 
has done an excellent job in the short period of time. 
> 
 Freedom Scientific in the late 90's made an word office applications  
 accessible at a level where it was not available before. 
 Window-eyes change the way people on the Windows platform interacted with 
 web browsers.  Orca also has done an amazing improvements to Xwindows with 
 no real budget at all and uses a similar model as Apple. So a lot of 
 amazing work has done to improve the accessibility of products. We are no 
 where near at the end of the road. All OS's, applications and screen 
 reading software have improvements. Give credit due to these companies 
 with their effort and  dedication in making very usable products under a 
 very difficult environments.


One comment I will make. Historically Apple have been very positive with 
accessibility. Having the foundation they have makes it a lot easier for 
developers to make their products more accessible. The question I would raise 
is  what would happen to apples commitment to accessibility if the GFC occurs 
again  which is being predicted. This Time they are saying it is going to last 
for many years.  If comes to crunch and Apple has to make a decision on what 
features are not going to be developed or improved, will accessibility be the 
first to go?  Will apple continue putting the same effort or would they place 
the level of accessibility on hold? Apple as yet have not been placed in this 
situation and it will be interesting to see what occurs, if this ever 
eventuates to find out what Apple does.
. 


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Re: VMWare Fusion questions

[Sean Murphy]

Hi Maria,

When you load VMWare, you will get options where you can tell VMWare to attach 
the external keyboard to the Host. This is seen when you have VMWare in the 
standard window mode, not full screen. Everytime you load VMWare, you will have 
to connect the USB key.

Modify the file and you will see what I mean. You might want to back it up 
first just to be safe.

Sean 
On 12/06/2012, at 5:37 AM, Maria Chapman wrote:

> Hi.  if it helps it's a core i 5.
> 
> thanks
> 
>   regards
> Maria and crew from australia
> email:
> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
> check out 
> www.powerradio104.us
> where we play lots of great music
> 
> 
> 
> On 05/06/2012, at 12:01 AM, Chris Meredith wrote:
> 
>> Hi Maria,
>> 
>> I'm actually running Windows 8 on a MacBook Pro with 8 GB of RAM, which I 
>> deliberately got kitted out so that I could run multiple virtual machines 
>> without having to buy multiple computers.  I can't remember what the CPU is 
>> on the Mini, but you should certainly have enough memory.
>> For those of you that have gone the Bootcamp route, have any of you also 
>> used the Windows Automated Installation Kit to create an unattended 
>> installation file?  As someone that has reliable sighted help available 
>> approximately as frequently as they have a six digit bank balance, I'm 
>> always on the lookout for workarounds.
>> On Jun 3, 2012, at 9:45 PM, Maria Chapman wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> 
>>> I am also thinking about setting up a virtual machine.  Is there a 
>>> recommended amount of resources the virtual machine needs to run properly 
>>> but leaving enough for the mac? Will a virtual machine run ok on a mac mini 
>>> with 8 gigs of ram? And, how do I run a screen reader with an apple 
>>> bluetooth keyboard? Is there a way to make this work? Or would i be better 
>>> plugging in a standard usb keyboard?
>>> 
>>> Is there anywhere i can go to read a tutorial or guide about setting up a 
>>> virtual machine to run windows?
>>> 
>>> thanks
>>> 
>>> God Bless! Maria from australia
>>>  Newbie mac user.
>>> bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
>>> will get you fb as well as email & iMessage.   
>>> skype same as email,without the gmail part. twitter bubbygirl 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 04/06/2012, at 12:46 PM, Brent Harding wrote:
>>> 
 Oh, cool! I have my mac already set up with boot camp. Would I likely have 
 activation issues with JFW going back and forth between these 2 methods? 
 Would I have to take up 2 keys, or is Fusion smart enough to deal with it?
 
 - Original Message - From: "Matthew Campbell" 
 
 To: 
 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2012 4:44 PM
 Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion questions
 
 
 Hi.
 A couple of things to keep in mind.
 1. If you do go the boot cam route, you will need sighted assistance to 
 get windows installed. Also, you'll be able to have Fusion treat the 
 bootcamp partition as a virtual machine. This has some advantages such as 
 being able to utilized all of the Mac's resources when you need to do 
 something that needs a lot of them but still able to boot in to windows 
 quickly through fusion when you don't need to do something system 
 intensive.
 2. The quick install option in fusion will have fusion install windows 
 without sighted assistance. The only thing you need do after installation 
 is install you're screen reader of choice.
 HTH,
 
 On 2012-06-03, at 5:26 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
 
> Thanks Matt. Right now I'm still unsure as to whether or not I'll set up 
> a virtual machine or do a bootcamp install, but this info was very 
> helpful.
> Allison
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> Subject: Re: VMWare Fusion questions
> 
>> Hi.
>> Once you shut down the VM, you're Mac will indeed have all of it's 
>> resources once again.
>> HTH,
>> 
>> On 2012-06-03, at 3:51 PM, Allison Mervis wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> I have a copy of Windows 7 floating around here, and I was thinking 
>>> about playing with VMWare fusion. I have a few questions before I get 
>>> started though. I understand that when you're setting up the virtual 
>>> machine, you allocate a certain portion of your system resources in 
>>> order to run it. Let's say, for example that I allocate four of my 
>>> eight gigs of ram and 250 of my 750 gigs of hard drive space for the 
>>> virtual machine. When I shut down the virtual machine, will those 
>>> resources be returned to my mac? That is to say, will I once again have 
>>> all 8 gigs of ram and 750 gigs of hard drive space available for use on 
>>> my mac? I apologize if this sounds basic. Thanks.
>>> Allison
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Re: vmware fusion

[Sean Murphy]

Hello,

VMWare is a great tool to use. There is a a lot of tips and tricks in the 
archive of this mail list. 

Under windows you will have to remap keys with sharp key and the Mac you can 
also remap keys with remapper an app for the mac.


Ensuring you have done your homework, you should not have to much problems.

Sean 
On 12/06/2012, at 9:29 AM, Kimsan wrote:

> Hi,Has anyone used vm ware fusion?
> If so, what was your experience like setting it up.
> I am listening to a podcast right now from mike goreego
>  From the blindcool tech site and its from 2008, lol, lets hope nothing has 
> changed sense then for the set up.
> I plan on purchasing the vm ware fusion after I get a good idea of what mess 
> I am getting myself into smile!
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Re: question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with items

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Chris,

Give her a set of examples when to use the interaction  feature. Such as text 
pad since it is a simple app. Break it down in steps and give this to her. More 
then one example would be useful from different apps.

Sean 

On 05/06/2012, at 11:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:

> Being she only has 3 weeks, and constantly is admitting she's not practicing 
> at all...  she's not paying me so I'm not out any money, gbut she is waisting 
> my time.  I don't wanna be rude but I'm really at my limit.  Maybe I'm just 
> too nice of a person.  I do tend to tell it like it is most of the time, but 
> not when it's in a professional type environment.  Then, I try to refrane.
>  
> Chris.
>  
> - Original Message -
> From: erik burggraaf
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2012 7:18 AM
> Subject: Re: question for all voice over trainers: trouble interacting with 
> items
> 
> Hi Chris,  Erik here from ebony consulting in toronto.  I feel your pain.
> 
> To comment on a couple of things that have been said, I actually find that if 
> you turn automatic interaction via tab key then things work more like 
> windows, in direct contrast to what others have said.
> 
> I also liked what Gigi said about sometimes when there's a disconnect trying 
> to teach the theory and apply it, you might be better off just rolling with 
> it.  Teach a set of steps to accomplish a task and forget why it works as 
> long as it does.  That's a more limited approach but it removes the fear 
> barrier as long as the set of steps works reliably.
> 
> All that assumes practice.  15 minutes a day is not really a hardship for 
> anyone.  I always recommend that to my clients.  I have two thoughts on this. 
>  If my client is paying their own bills, then I will sit them down and tell 
> them straight up that they're wasting their money unless they make some 
> changes.  Then if they still want to pay I keep taking their money and muddle 
> along as best I can.  If an organization is paying for the support, then I 
> sit the client down and tell them they have to make the changes or they are 
> going to lose their funding.  I have to document every hour as I'm sure you 
> do as well.  When I get consistent no practice, I put it in the report and 
> the client loses their funding.  It sucks to have to do that, but quite 
> honestly,  I'm not making the kind of money that makes me want to deal with a 
> lot of frustration.  As long as the effort is there I don't care how long it 
> takes to nail down a skill, but if the effort isn't there, then there's some 
> one waiting in line to take that person's spot, one fringe benefit of being a 
> good trainer.  :)  You can't save the world.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Erik Burggraaf
> Introducing Ebony Consulting business card transcription service, starting at 
> $0.45 per card or $35 per hundred cards.
> Ebony Consulting toll-free: 1-888-255-5194
> or on the web at http://www.erik-burggraaf.com
> 
> On 2012-06-03, at 11:47 PM, Chris Gilland wrote:
> 
>> okay… I really could use you awls help.
>> 
>> I myself am also a Mac voiceover trainer. I have a student who is starting 
>> from ground one. to the best of my knowledge, I do not believe that she even 
>> knew what voiceover was left alone how to use it until I told her of its 
>> existence. she is doing great, however now we're to the point where I am 
>> trying to help her learn the concept of interacting with certain items. at 
>> this point, she is following behind miserably. I'm not saying that it's her 
>> fault, it's probably the way that I am presenting it to her. I honestly am 
>> not sure how else to make this easier. I have tried literally almost every 
>> analogy underneath the sun. I tried explaining to her that voiceover works 
>> very hierarchically. to her, that made entirely no sense. she somewhat gets 
>> the concept when interacting with tables, but that's about as far as it 
>> goes. even then, I can tell that her concept on the matter is very hazy. I 
>> told her also to think of a bookshelf with three or four ring binders if she 
>> wanted to get to the third binder, and then look at the 15th page within 
>> that binder, she would first have to cross over the first and second binder 
>> without even looking inside of them. then, once at the third binder, she 
>> could then open it up, and then flip to the 15th page. I tried explaining to 
>> her that interacting with items on voiceover is much the same. you have an 
>> item where your voiceover cursor sits. you can either use voice over 
>> navigation to pass right over the items, or you can climb a level down and 
>> see what is underneath that item, by interacting with it. her exact words 
>> when I said this work: "okay, now you really lost me! " I am pretty much out 
>> of options. I don't know what else to tell her to try. I am determined to 
>> help her. However, it seems like until we get past this concept, voiceover 
>> is goin

Re: VMWare Fusion questions

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,

If anyone wants to reach me off line that is fine. Another tip related to 
keyboard  remapping.

There is a program for the Mac that allows you to remap  your keys. I have 
played with this and it gives you more flexibility on assigning the right 
options or command keys. Since these keys are not heavily used on the Mac. At 
least, I don't use the options available on the Mac for these keys.

The Remapper program can change any keys on the keyboard. It is free. Once it 
is changed, windows thinks it is that key and you can change it again to 
another key by using sharp keys.

In relation to USB devices not being detected. You need to do the following:

1. Open your document folder by command shift o.
2. Navigate to the virtual folder.
3. Move to the folder containing your virtual machine.
4. press vo shift m to open the context menu.
6. Navigate down to open package.
9. Now interact  with the files/folders. Go to the very bottom.
10. Navigate upwards and look for a VMWare configuration file. Voice Over will 
tell you this.
11. Open it in text pad or similar program. Make sure you save it as a text 
file. This is why I use text pad.
12. Contained in here is all the settings. Add the following:



svga.noHWCursor = "TRUE"
usb.generic.allowHID = "TRUE"

The second line from memory exposes USB devices and allows you to set an 
external keyboard to work only with the VMWare host. The other option is 
related to displays. 

I hope this helps.


Sean 

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Re: VMWare Fusion questions

[Sean Murphy]

Hello to all.

I wish to clear up some possible misunderstandings that people have with the  
virtualisation route.

Depending on available resources on your Mac will determine how to configure 
the VMWare. If you have a Mac with 8gb of physical memory. VMWare states only 
to use a maximum of 50% of the physical memory for the guess OS. This is more 
then enough memory for a 64 bit OS which would be 4gb for the guess. If you are 
planning to use a 32 bit OS, then I wouldn't allocate more then 3 gb of 
physical memory for a 8 gb PC. If you have 4gb physical RAM, then I would use 
the rule of thumb of no more then 50% and allocate accordingly.

In relation to the virtual hard drive that you set up for the guess OS. This is 
really up to you how much you allocate.  The rule of thumb I use is around 40 
to 50 gb. I generally find this is more then enough. I also configure the 
VMWare to share the documents, desktop, music, etc between Windows and the Mac. 
Again, I am reducing the amount of disk spaced used by the Guess windows OS by 
doing this. So the virtual disk is allocated for programs and those files 
needed by the app. The other tip is that I set up my Mac user directory as a 
VMWare shared drive under windows. So it is really easy to copy between both 
environments. Also you can launch your window app from within the Mac  
environment. For example, I can open the word document within windows by 
opening it from the Mac. This is the true power and flexibility of having 
windows in a virtual environment.

If you are having performance issues. It is a good starting point to find out 
how much memory is being shared between the Mac and guess OS. How many cores 
are being used. I find a max of 50% of the cores available is a good guideline. 
EG: a duel core I would only allocate one. On my Mac Book Pro, I have 4 cores, 
so I allocate 2. When allocating the virtual disks, I have read somewhere that 
the 2gb files allocation reduces performance. When you do allocate virtual 
disks, they will grow as you use it to the maximum allocated.

In relation to authorisation of Jaws. This is a known problem with virtual 
environments. It is one of those bugs that sit with the company who FS uses to 
set up the authentication and VMWare. It isn't a FS issues per say, rather it 
is their vendors problem who they use for the authentication. The pro's and 
cons of having FS authentication is not a discussion for this list.

I haven't had any problems with the authentication of Jaws. I even back up the 
whole virtual directory on a periodic bases. So if the virtual guess breaks, I 
can replace it with a known working version.

The other issues you have to be aware of is keyboard conflicts with Windows and 
the Mac. Voice Over is very aggressive and doesn't like anyone else using the 
Capslock key, control option together and any arrow key with the function key. 
.  The Mac does not have any Insert key. So under windows, you have to remap a 
Mac keyboard key to an insert. This is done by an program called sharp keys. 
Another thing I am currently playing with is remapping the Mac keys. I am 
planning to remap the right option  key to a right control key. Under windows, 
I am going to remap the right control key to a insert or caps lock. This will 
give me more flexibility with using Jaws commands. This is a real pain and 
Apple needs to address the keyboard conflict issue. Since if you use VMWare 
under windows. Once the control is passed to the guess OS. Windows doesn't 
interfere with the keys at all. 

One final point, if you turn off Voice Over, the cap lock issue doesn't occur.


Sean 

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Re: Disableing the lock screen in Lion

[Sean Murphy]

Hi Mike,

To disable the screen saver you have to make sure your screen saver icon is 
showing in the preference. If you open the menu, then go to view. Select custom 
and make sure everything here is selected.

Then go to screen savers. Change the period of the screen saver to what you 
want. I have set my to never. So I never get a screen saver and therefore never 
get the locked screen. 

Everyone else has given you the other tips. If I had the spare time, I would 
write a how to.

Sean 
On 05/05/2012, at 3:07 PM, Mike Reiser wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> I was wondering where you go to disable the lock screen in Lion or change 
> when it comes up?  I looked in system prefs under energy saver but only found 
> stuff for Putting the computer to sleep and dimming the display.  Its quite 
> annoying when it locks while doing a say all on a page with an article, for 
> example.  Thanks,
> 
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Re: uninstalling

[Sean Murphy]

Hi,


Apparently this does work but there could be files left behind. Go to the 
triple click home web site they have an article on maintaining your Mac and the 
article talks about removing apps.


Sean 
On 07/05/2012, at 2:34 AM, Matt Dierckens wrote:

> Hi,
> You got it. Just find the application you want to remove in your applications 
> folder, and press cmd delete.
> Matt
> Sent from my mac
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> skype: blindman3221
> 
> On 2012-05-06, at 12:02 PM, craig J Dunlop wrote:
> 
>> on the mac how do you remove a program? do you just delete it from the 
>> applications list or is there a way to uninstall it?
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Re: Audio redirection

[Sean Murphy]

Hi alex,

Yes, that is what I thought. But I don't get a choice between speakers and head 
phones. I only get ✓ Built-in Output. When I go into sound preferences I get 
either head phones or build in speakers.

Any ideas?

Sean 
On 03/05/2012, at 3:08 PM, Alex Hall wrote:

> Yes. Open the vo utility, select the sound tab, and select the sound
> device vo should use.
> 
> On 5/3/12, Sean Murphy  wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> Is it possible on the Mac to have Voice-over going across the head phone and
>> all system sound going across the internal speakers?
>> 
>> Sean
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Audio redirection

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.

Is it possible on the Mac to have Voice-over going across the head phone and 
all system sound going across the internal speakers?

Sean 

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Re: Screen locking issue

[Sean Murphy]

Hi Guys,


thanks for the tips. But I need to keep the password active on the screen 
saver. I did find the solution after all. There is a post on Mac World showing 
the methods. Basically you have to put the screen saver app on to the doc. 
Disable the screen saver from preference. Then you can activate the screen 
saver when you want.

Sean 
On 30/04/2012, at 5:26 AM, Allison Mervis wrote:

> You can change that in energy saver preferences.
> Allison
> On Apr 29, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Sean Murphy wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>> 
>> 
>> How do you stop the Mac from locking the screen?  I cannot see the option in 
>> the preferences. If I don't use the computer for about 5 to 15 minutes. The 
>> screen locks requiring the password again.
>> 
>> 
>> Also, how do you put it into screen lock when you want too?
>> 
>> Sean 
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Re: Priorities

[Sean Murphy]

All.

I would raise a different slant on the whole discussion. No one took this up 
before in one of my prior posts. This is a concept and please treat it as an 
idea. If people want to discuss this off line to see if it could be actually 
adopted. Then please let me know. I am more then happy to discuss.


A we all know Business only cares about the bottom line. Since this is the 
situation. A solution to our problems is to become investors. So how can we as 
a group become investors? Being individual investor will not have the same 
impact as if we do it as a group. Let me put up some figures.

If 10 million people in the USA put $10.00 into a investment fund per month. 
This would give the group $1.00 per month or 1.2 billion a year. If you 
extend this to a international level and got another 20 million people. Then 
the yearly amount grows to 3.6 billion dollars a year. 
Having this type of yearly funds for investing into companies. Their attitudes 
towards accessibility or what I would prefer to say Universal design will 
quickly change.  Since this type of money could place the fund managers who 
ever they are on boards of companies due to amount of shares held by the 
investment fund.

Basically what I have outlined is a different approach of changing peoples 
attitude by playing the same game. I believe there is at least 10 million or 
more people world wide that could afford $10.00 per month. Of course there are 
those who cannot. But they would benefit anyway. Before you shoot the idea 
down. Stop and think about if we had as a community this type of money. What 
changes could be done. The fund could be open to anyone who wants to help. It 
could even be open to all disabilities. That makes the numbers bigger and 
making the pool of investment larger. Investing into proactive companies like 
Apple would ensure they continue doing there good job. Informing companies like 
publishers that we will invest x million per month over the next x months if I 
believe would quickly change their attitude. 

So take off the blinkers everyone and see what this idea could do to change the 
world of technology?

Ideas or comments are more then welcomed.


Sean 

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Re: blindmicemegamall movie vault and illegal file-sharing allegation

[Sean Murphy]

Hi all.


AGain, how can education departments in the USA buy products when they are not 
508 rehab accessible? I thought all governments department in the USa had to 
ensure the product is accessible based upon this rehab act or does this only 
apply for  federal?


There is 3 ways to change the thinking of business:

1. Demonstrate a market.
2. Take them to court. Not always a good solution.
3. Blind people develop a investment fund which invests into proactive 
companies in the accessible area.
4. Awareness education.


Oops, I said 3, but there is 

Sean 
On 29/04/2012, at 7:24 AM, Eric Oyen wrote:

> the issue is not the iPad itself, it is the apps that companies develop for 
> it. most of those companies don't consider us much of a market (either by 
> public perception or flawed fiscal analysis). there had already been one 
> debacle involving a pad type computer (kindle) and a major institution 
> (Arizona  State University) and it was found that the blind were specifically 
> locked out. the same is happening with iPad apps (even though the SDK tools 
> and API are freely available and easy to incorporate, companies will not 
> concede). Its a never ending struggle as those who think they know better 
> never do and saddle us with their utter stupidity. there is  a reason they 
> call this "the tyranny of the stupid".
> 
> -eric
> . 
> On Apr 28, 2012, at 5:39 AM, Donna Goodin wrote:
> 
>> Hi Christine,
>> 
>> I'm perplexed.  How do you see the push to have iPads in classrooms as 
>> something that leaves the blind/VI student out?  If anything, I see that as 
>> something that better enables us to participate, thanks to the fact that 
>> Apple has made the iPad a fully accessible device.
>> Best,
>> Donna
>> On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:36 AM, Christine Grassman wrote:
>> 
>>> With all due respect, Scott, laws which disparately impact certain groups 
>>> or classes of people have been flouted through civil disobedience since the 
>>> introduction of legal systems, e.g., civil rights, disability rights, 
>>> employment rights, etc. The United States might not exist were it not for 
>>> disobeying laws. 
>>> I am an attorney, and it continues to amaze me how slowly the U.S. is 
>>> moving to accommodate disability, and how snail-paced the societal shift in 
>>> attitudes toward us has been.  and it seems that whenever a company like 
>>> Apple makes great strides in accommodating blindness off the shelf, plenty 
>>> of other technologies come along and do not bother to incorporate us into 
>>> their equation. So many educational apps, for example, are not accessible, 
>>> though they could be, and given the push now to have iPads in classrooms, 
>>> once again blind, visually impaired, and otherwise print-disabled students 
>>> will be left out. Apple moves us two steps forward, and "progress" (for 
>>> others) moves us three steps back. I should be able to turn on a 
>>> television, flip a switch, or turn on a transmitter, and get descriptions. 
>>> I should be able to access books on the Nook or the Kindle, not just 
>>> iBooks. I cannot express, and I am sure others here agree, the happiness I 
>>> feel when a new release or best-selling publication is available on iBooks.
>>> (Incidentally, if a book is available on iBooks and on bookshare.org, I 
>>> purchase the book. Yet, I have lost quite a lot of money as a published 
>>> author -- as soon as my book was published, I sent a copy to bookshare.org; 
>>> it was more important to me to have it available at the same time to the 
>>> blind and print-disabled. The Authors Guild apparently does not care about 
>>> such access, despite the fact that they would actually get money from us.)
>>> 
>>> I would happily go to the movies more and happily purchase audio-described 
>>> movies through iTunes if they were available. Even movies which are 
>>> released with audio description are not always sold through movie resellers 
>>> -- goodness knows I have tried. To date, I have only located The Incredible 
>>> Hulk, from 2008, which I purchased for my son.
>>> Even Apple could do more. It could strengthen its requirements for apps. It 
>>> has provided developers with the means to make their apps VoiceOver 
>>> accessible, and there are plenty of apps out there which could be so. Only 
>>> apps that are visual by their very nature should be exempted. But, as 
>>> usual, profit trumps  people, despite the fact that the disabled community 
>>> rewards those who remember us with our business. 
>>> Frankly, I would prefer to purchase the audio-described movies and shows I 
>>> download from the vault, so that I could watch them with sighted friends 
>>> and family. I wish I could show a film to a class and not have to ask my 
>>> para or a student to tell me what is going on. The entertainment industry 
>>> gets plenty of my money. If they want more, they should remember that I 
>>> deserve to be able to access their material independently. OK. Topic over. 
>>> Th