Re: [Bulk] Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Hi Ray, Odd. I never get a menu when using shift and down arrow. I'm not sure why I would, those keystrokes don't open a menu in any program I'm aware of. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 11:13 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Now that is very interesting. Every single time I try to select text off a > web page in Safari using shift+down, I get a menu instead. > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jul 26, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi ray, >> I can take a stab at some of these questions. >> 1. Mail attachments work the way they did in SL for me, that is, there is a >> popup button in the headers group which you can use to select all or >> individual attachments to be saved. What I do is jump to the message text >> with vo-j, stop interacting, and move left and interact with the group. >> 2. Safari selection works for me, including the shift-down arrow key you >> mentioned. I typically use vo-enter to mark my selections, but there are >> multiple ways to do this. >> 3. The Safari sounds still work for me. I just disabled the percentages in >> the web category of VO utility. >> 4. My MBP doesn't run very hot at all, even when I run my Fusion VM. It's >> only got a core 2 duo, which is hardly a fast processor. Odd. >> Hope this helps a bit, >> Zack. >> On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Okay. Subject line says it all. >>> >>> 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after >>> the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. >>> >>> 2. Mail. >>> >>> a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. >>> b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to >>> receive directly from e-mail. >>> >>> c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed >>> that one. >>> >>> 3. Safari. >>> >>> a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts >>> differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser >>> once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. >>> >>> b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages >>> anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; >>> and, select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. >>> c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I >>> never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now >>> muted and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. >>> >>> 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to >>> behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. >>> All processing dialogs appear to work well. >>> >>> 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; >>> and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple >>> conversations here about it. >>> >>> 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes >>> Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I >>> type this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only >>> happened if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That >>> would be the only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that >>> happen. >>> >>> 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in >>> fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the >>> view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are >>> very many messages yet to be gone through. >>> >>> Well, that's it so far. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>&g
Re: my own preliminary observations of Lion so far
Hi ray, I can take a stab at some of these questions. 1. Mail attachments work the way they did in SL for me, that is, there is a popup button in the headers group which you can use to select all or individual attachments to be saved. What I do is jump to the message text with vo-j, stop interacting, and move left and interact with the group. 2. Safari selection works for me, including the shift-down arrow key you mentioned. I typically use vo-enter to mark my selections, but there are multiple ways to do this. 3. The Safari sounds still work for me. I just disabled the percentages in the web category of VO utility. 4. My MBP doesn't run very hot at all, even when I run my Fusion VM. It's only got a core 2 duo, which is hardly a fast processor. Odd. Hope this helps a bit, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Okay. Subject line says it all. > > 1. The sluggishness was immediately obvious upon installation; but, after > the passing of an hour or so, that went away; indexing I suppose. > > 2. Mail. > > a. I love the new view with the way the conversations work. > b. Would like a reminder how to download any attachments I may happen to > receive directly from e-mail. > > c. The signatures part doesn't crash anymore. About damn time they fixed > that one. > > 3. Safari. > > a. I don't mind most of the changes. The item chooser certainly acts > differently; however, VO+f seems to work even faster than the item chooser > once did and in Lion, Found things that it did not find under SL. > > b. What sucks is that now, I cannot seem to select text from web pages > anymore. They broke shift+down arrow even after interacting with text; and, > select all does not work. A work around would be appreciated. > c. Made some changes to how VO reacts when loading a web page because I > never get the sound anymore once a page is loaded. So, all sounds now muted > and things sounds once did are now spoken or silent. > > 3. I'm very happy to say that, after preliminary examination, RX seems to > behave well under Lion and no issues with noise reduction and the like. All > processing dialogs appear to work well. > > 4. Have not yet tried amadeus Pro; but, I'm quite sure that it works well; > and, if it did not, also quite sure that there would be multiple > conversations here about it. > > 5. Boy, does my Mac ever run hot now. It never did under SL. My fan goes > Quite hard if I just do stuff like checking my e-mail and even now, as I type > this message to y'all, I can hear it in the background. This only happened > if I was doing something like noise reduction under SL. That would be the > only thing that would push my GPU hard enough to make that happen. > > 6. Because I did the install of Lion overtop of LS, all my settings did in > fact get preserved; but, had to change the lines in Mail preview under the > view tab to Zero. Mail goes busy when first opened, but, only if there are > very many messages yet to be gone through. > > Well, that's it so far. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Kawal, VO says this when you move between conversations with arrow keys or VO-arrow keys. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:43 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Does VO say this on its own? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:24 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Kawal, >> VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not >> sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like "Six message conversation." >> I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to >>> add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in >>> the message content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO >>> will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so >>> mail is broken! >>> >>> Kawal. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my >>>> Mac is less pleasant to use now. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages >>>>> table either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but >>>>> again, more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What >>>>> a pain not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. >>>>> I'm whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! >>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>>>> THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it >>>>>>> doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always >>>>>>> the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find >>>>>>> messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I >>>>>>>> could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would >>>>>>>> be taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my >>>>>>>> machine. Can someone confirm? >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this me
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Kawal, VO definitely tells me how many messages I have in a given thread. I'm not sure why yours wouldn't. I hear something like "Six message conversation." I've discovered that low verbosity is really nice with Mail. Best, Zack. On Jul 26, 2011, at 4:17 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: > Hi. > > I have been reading all the messages with interest on and off, and wish to > add, when there are no more messages to read in threaded view, I end up in > the nessage content which is annoying. Is that meant to happen? Also VO > will not tell you how many messages there are in a thread which I miss so > mail is broken! > > Kawal. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 26 Jul 2011, at 12:10 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> I agree. Though Lion's brought some nice features, mostly I feel like my >> Mac is less pleasant to use now. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> On Jul 26, 2011, at 1:20 AM, carlene knight wrote: >> >>> I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table >>> either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, >>> more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain >>> not having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm >>> whining, so I'll shut up, but ur! >>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. >>>> Best, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Donna, >>>>> THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't >>>>> seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official >>>>> search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which >>>>> have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I >>>>>> could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be >>>>>> taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my >>>>>> machine. Can someone confirm? >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi All, I'm puzzled. vo-j is working just fine for me with both classic and new layout. I wonder if you might have disabled the preview pane? Best, Zack. On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:20 PM, carlene knight wrote: > I can't just press VO/j to jump from an open message to the messages table > either. The conversation method of looking at messages is ok, but again, > more cumbersome as you have to open and close each message. What a pain not > having that option. Things should get easier, not harder. I'm whining, so > I'll shut up, but ur! > On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:31 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> Yeah, but that's a lot more cumbersome. thanks, though. >> Best, >> Donna >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Donna, >>> THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't >>> seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official >>> search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have >>> been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I >>>> could just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be >>>> taken to a message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. >>>> Can someone confirm? >>>> Thanks, >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: loving Lion so far; but need a reminder or two
Hi Ray, The preview pane, as far as I understand it, is the third column of the new layout. The lines you hear read are in the second column, the message list itself, and if you disable that third pane Mail shouldn't mark messages read for you. I may be wrong on this, as the new Mail layout is still a bit confusing. Best, Zack. On Jul 25, 2011, at 7:23 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > Where exactly is the preview pain? It must be on because I get part of each > message read to me as I arrow past it; and, that makes Mail think the > message is read. Thanks. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:14 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: > >> I just interacted with the splitter between the messages and preview pane >> and then did a vo+left arrow a million times I think until I think it said >> zero. As far as conversations go, I usually just arrow to the one I want >> and then hit tab and it starts reading the last unread message or sometimes >> just the last message. If you have quick nab on, just hit up and down arrow >> to have it read the messages. You can just hit command r to reply to a >> message. The only thing I can't seem to figure out is how to read the >> message headers from that area, but if you needed to you could go back and >> expand the conversation and arrow down through each individual message or >> just do a reply and look below the message to see who it was from. I know >> that is probably a little convoluted, but it's getting late :). >> On Jul 25, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: >> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> Well, I finally did it and installed Lion overtop of SL. Now, >>> >>> 1. How do I get rid of the preview pain in Mail? >>> >>> 2. Also, in Mail, what seems to be the best consensus on how to deal with >>> conversations in Mail? >>> >>> I'm using the new view and think that, mostly, I can get the hang of it >>> pretty quick except maybe for the preview pain and conversations. >>> >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! >>> >>> Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! >>> >>> Skype name: >>> barefootedray >>> >>> Facebook: >>> facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Still haven't gotten a clear answer on These Questions.
Hi Chris, For your second question, I'm afraid I don't have a definite answer. I was under the impression unchecking a voice would remove it. As far as the third question, I've always had minor issues with these sorts of dialogs, in both versions of OS X I've used. I generally can get to it if I cmd-tab a couple times, and have never needed sighted help to click on anything. I just use vo-space by the way, not clicking with the trackpad or mouse pointer. on the Choose File button Hope this helps a bit, Zack. On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:09 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, I'll give that a try. BTW, any idea on my other two questions? > > Chris. > > ----- Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" > To: > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2011 12:02 PM > Subject: Re: Still haven't gotten a clear answer on These Questions. > > > Hi Chris, > The save button is there, if you stop interacting and move left to the > headers group, and interact there. You may need to select a button to show > more details, but that button definitely exists. I've just confirmed it in > the new layout. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> First of all, in Mail, provided you're *not!* using the classic view, how in >> the world do you save file attachments? The other day I was sent a dmg file >> via e-mail, for instance. I saw the little image thingy and the file name >> in the body of the e-mail, but like before, if I tried to stop interacting >> with the message text, then vo+left arrow to reach the attachment popup to >> go to save all, it obviously wasn't there. The only way I finally managed >> to kind of sort of get it to work, was to interact with the message text, >> then down arrow until I heard the image with the attached file name, then >> route my mouse with vo+command+F5, then control+click my trackpad. Then, >> vo+down arrow to save attachment, and hit vo+space on that menu option. >> >> Surely! there has got! to be an easier way than this! >> >> Second of my 3 questions: >> >> I've downloaded a few of the Real Speak voices. In particular, I downloaded >> Karen. I really am not liking her after all. I went back to the voiceover >> utility, into voices, and customize. I interacted with the voices table, >> and unchecked Karen, but all that seemed to do is disable her. I don't see >> that it literally removed her from my system and uninstalled her. So, how >> does one completely remove a voice? >> >> My final question is: >> >> When on a web site, trying to upload a file... once I hit the choose file >> button on the page, or browse button, or whatever the website developer >> calls it, in the past, it would pop up a new finder window, and from there >> no questions asked, I could browse to the file. Now, I'm finding that half >> of the time, I do not land in the finder window to browse for the file. Half >> the time if I stop interacting with the html content, bring up the item >> chooser, use vo+J and shift J, try to find the finder window with >> command+accent grave or vo+F2-F2, or command+Tab, or even vo+F1-F1, Nothing >> seems to consistently work. It's extremely hit and miss, and 90% of the >> time, I don't hit the finder window and have to have a sighted person click >> me in it. Once in it, I'm fine, but not until. So... >> >> If anyone wants to test this, go to >> >> http://www.sendspace.com >> >> Try not with the wizard, but from the actual web site, to upload a file in >> Lion with Safari 5.1. When on the choose file button, do like before and >> route your mouse with command+vo+F5, then vo+shift+space. Then, you'll see >> what I mean. It will be vbery difficult after that to find the finder >> window. I think maybe one time, maybe twice at most! has it come up and >> landed me in the focus of the finder like it should, but that was so rare >> it's really not worth noting. >> >> Thanks for any tips on these 3 questions. I'm anxious to hear you all's >> tips. >> >> Chris. >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >
Re: Still haven't gotten a clear answer on These Questions.
Hi Chris, The save button is there, if you stop interacting and move left to the headers group, and interact there. You may need to select a button to show more details, but that button definitely exists. I've just confirmed it in the new layout. Best, Zack. On Jul 25, 2011, at 8:47 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > First of all, in Mail, provided you're *not!* using the classic view, how in > the world do you save file attachments? The other day I was sent a dmg file > via e-mail, for instance. I saw the little image thingy and the file name in > the body of the e-mail, but like before, if I tried to stop interacting with > the message text, then vo+left arrow to reach the attachment popup to go to > save all, it obviously wasn't there. The only way I finally managed to kind > of sort of get it to work, was to interact with the message text, then down > arrow until I heard the image with the attached file name, then route my > mouse with vo+command+F5, then control+click my trackpad. Then, vo+down > arrow to save attachment, and hit vo+space on that menu option. > > Surely! there has got! to be an easier way than this! > > Second of my 3 questions: > > I've downloaded a few of the Real Speak voices. In particular, I downloaded > Karen. I really am not liking her after all. I went back to the voiceover > utility, into voices, and customize. I interacted with the voices table, and > unchecked Karen, but all that seemed to do is disable her. I don't see that > it literally removed her from my system and uninstalled her. So, how does > one completely remove a voice? > > My final question is: > > When on a web site, trying to upload a file... once I hit the choose file > button on the page, or browse button, or whatever the website developer calls > it, in the past, it would pop up a new finder window, and from there no > questions asked, I could browse to the file. Now, I'm finding that half of > the time, I do not land in the finder window to browse for the file. Half the > time if I stop interacting with the html content, bring up the item chooser, > use vo+J and shift J, try to find the finder window with command+accent grave > or vo+F2-F2, or command+Tab, or even vo+F1-F1, Nothing seems to consistently > work. It's extremely hit and miss, and 90% of the time, I don't hit the > finder window and have to have a sighted person click me in it. Once in it, > I'm fine, but not until. So... > > If anyone wants to test this, go to > > http://www.sendspace.com > > Try not with the wizard, but from the actual web site, to upload a file in > Lion with Safari 5.1. When on the choose file button, do like before and > route your mouse with command+vo+F5, then vo+shift+space. Then, you'll see > what I mean. It will be vbery difficult after that to find the finder > window. I think maybe one time, maybe twice at most! has it come up and > landed me in the focus of the finder like it should, but that was so rare > it's really not worth noting. > > Thanks for any tips on these 3 questions. I'm anxious to hear you all's tips. > > Chris. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Weird issue with connecting olympus recorder into windows with lion
Hi Matt, Are you running the latest version of Fusion? I've had no similar issues running 3.1.3, but have heard of people having them with 3.1.2. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:14 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > good evening all. > I just tried to plug in my olympus dm520 digital recorder into my macbook pro > to transfer recordings on to the windows side of things. However, I plugged > in the olympus and didn't get the message asking where i wanted to connect > it. fIt just connected directly to mac and will not connect with windows what > so ever. > Any help with this or any suggestions are appreciated. > Thanks. > Matt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: safari problem
Hi, All you can do is close those pages when you're done with them. It's not ideal, but at least it's consistent. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:01 PM, joseph wrote: > hello listers > > i noticed that after installing lion, safari remembers that last page used > after closing it and starting a new session, which i don't mind. my problem, > however, is if i clicked an audio link from an email or a youtube video, all > these keep playing when i start a new session of safari after i close it, > hence is there anything i can do to solve this problem? > > thank you in advance. > > best > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: IMPORTANT: To MacBook Pro Lion Users
Hi Matt, Odd. When I use those keys VO tells me the brightness is getting dimmer, though it never says its as low as it goes. I like the handling of screen brightness in which it reads percentages, that's easier for me to comprehend I think. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:31 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > That's correct and when I hit those keys it doesn't say or do anything. > On 2011-07-24, at 8:23 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi, >> My guess is that you have your keyboard set to use the function keys for >> software functions. You need to use fn-f5 and f6 in this case. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> When i hit f5 and f6 it bonks at me. So not sure why. >>> On 2011-07-24, at 6:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>> >>>> Hi! Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I've already confirmed more >>>> than once that my keyboard's backlight is >>>> completely turned off. I have light perception, and am about 95 percent >>>> definite that the backlight is not glowing at all. >>>> Same with the screen. I keep brightness at 0 and also enable the screen >>>> curtain. >>>> It's an excellent suggestion, though, and I hope it helps someone. >>>> Missy >>>> >>>> >>>> -Original Message- >>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor >>>> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:49 PM >>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>> Subject: IMPORTANT: To MacBook Pro Lion Users >>>> >>>> Hello Everyone, >>>> >>>> After posting my last message to the list regarding the increase in heat >>>> generated on my MBP since installing Lion and the definite lessening of >>>> battery life, I took a closer look at my MBP and discovered what I hope >>>> will >>>> prove to be useful to you. >>>> >>>> F Y I: Until yesterday, I was running Lion on an external FireWire drive >>>> and did not notice the increase in heat since the computer is always >>>> sitting >>>> on my desk when running Lion. Additionally, when I have the FireWire >>>> connected, I also have the power cable connected. >>>> >>>> Anyway, and I have confirmed this twice on my MBP and I called a friend who >>>> installed Lion this morning and she confirmed the same, said same being: >>>> The backlight on the MBP keyboard is set to on when Lion is first >>>> installed. >>>> >>>> >>>> Now I want to be clear, I keep my keyboard backlight off and so it was when >>>> I upgraded to Lion. However, when I looked closely at my keyboard, today, >>>> I >>>> discovered that while it was dimmed, it was not set as it had been before >>>> the upgrade. >>>> >>>> After I turn the backlight off/or to its lowest setting, the increase in >>>> heat went away. >>>> >>>> So, I recommend that those of you noticing a change in heat/battery drain >>>> confirm that your MBP keyboard backlights are set as they were before >>>> upgrading/installing Lion. >>>> >>>> F5 and F6 decrease and increase keyboard backlight, respectively. >>>> >>>> Mark >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >&g
Re: IMPORTANT: To MacBook Pro Lion Users
Hi, My guess is that you have your keyboard set to use the function keys for software functions. You need to use fn-f5 and f6 in this case. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 5:20 PM, Matt Dierckens wrote: > Hi, > When i hit f5 and f6 it bonks at me. So not sure why. > On 2011-07-24, at 6:22 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> Hi! Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately, I've already confirmed more >> than once that my keyboard's backlight is >> completely turned off. I have light perception, and am about 95 percent >> definite that the backlight is not glowing at all. >> Same with the screen. I keep brightness at 0 and also enable the screen >> curtain. >> It's an excellent suggestion, though, and I hope it helps someone. >> Missy >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of M. Taylor >> Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:49 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: IMPORTANT: To MacBook Pro Lion Users >> >> Hello Everyone, >> >> After posting my last message to the list regarding the increase in heat >> generated on my MBP since installing Lion and the definite lessening of >> battery life, I took a closer look at my MBP and discovered what I hope will >> prove to be useful to you. >> >> F Y I: Until yesterday, I was running Lion on an external FireWire drive >> and did not notice the increase in heat since the computer is always sitting >> on my desk when running Lion. Additionally, when I have the FireWire >> connected, I also have the power cable connected. >> >> Anyway, and I have confirmed this twice on my MBP and I called a friend who >> installed Lion this morning and she confirmed the same, said same being: >> The backlight on the MBP keyboard is set to on when Lion is first installed. >> >> >> Now I want to be clear, I keep my keyboard backlight off and so it was when >> I upgraded to Lion. However, when I looked closely at my keyboard, today, I >> discovered that while it was dimmed, it was not set as it had been before >> the upgrade. >> >> After I turn the backlight off/or to its lowest setting, the increase in >> heat went away. >> >> So, I recommend that those of you noticing a change in heat/battery drain >> confirm that your MBP keyboard backlights are set as they were before >> upgrading/installing Lion. >> >> F5 and F6 decrease and increase keyboard backlight, respectively. >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What is the reading list?
Hi Chris and all, On the contrary, I've used the reading list a few times here and it seems to work quite nicely. THe real question is if there will be iCloud integration, which I believe there will. It's an accessible tool, and I can recommend it. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:53 PM, Lynn Schneider wrote: > Hi Christopher. Have you ever heard of a service called Instapaper? > Basically, it is a way of saving a web page for later reading. Say you are > on Twitter and you see a link to an article you really want to read, but you > just don't have time right now. So, what you would do would be to open the > web page and use this reading list feature to copy the text of the article so > you could read it later, either on your computer or another IOS device. > Apparently, the feature is inactive right now, but in the future when it is > activated, it is supposed to compete with services like Instapaper. Here is > a link to an article about it: > Safari's New 'Reading List' Feature to Compete with Instapaper and ... > HTH. > > Lynn > On Jul 24, 2011, at 6:17 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> Hey guys. >> >> In the new Safari, what is the reading list, and what can I do with it? >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Tips about using sendspace?
Hi Naama, I've heard people say that tabbing around the UI is the best way to use it with compatibility mode enabled. I can't speak to this much from personal experience though, so take that with the appropriate amount of salt. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:33 PM, Naama Shang wrote: > Hi, > I thought I saw and enabled it and found it not to be too different, but I > will certainly give it another go. > Thanks so much, > Naama > On 25 Jul 2011, at 02:25, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Naama, >> There's an option in the menus for extended VoiceOver compatibility, I >> believe it's in the Options menu. This sort of thing isn't to be >> encouraged, but it's better than no access at all. I hope this helps a bit, >> though I haven't used he wizard all that much myself. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Naama Shang wrote: >> >>> Hi everyone, >>> Has anyone had any luck using the send space wizard on the mac? >>> I downloaded and installed it, but for some reason could not work with it. >>> I even had trouble logging in, because of the interface. >>> Any suggestions or ideas? >>> Thanks, >>> Naama >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Tips about using sendspace?
Hi Naama, There's an option in the menus for extended VoiceOver compatibility, I believe it's in the Options menu. This sort of thing isn't to be encouraged, but it's better than no acces at all. I hope this helps a bit, though I haven't used he wizard all that much myself. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Naama Shang wrote: > Hi everyone, > Has anyone had any luck using the send space wizard on hte mac? > I downloaded and installed it, but for some reason could not work with it. I > even had trouble logging in, because of the interface. > Any suggestions or ideas? > Thanks, > Naama > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Absolutely incredibly awesome finding in Safari, Item chooser issue resolved!
Hi Chris and All, Maybe I'm missing something, but I always used vo-f in Safari, whether in Snow ELeopard or Lion. It always worked for me as far as I could tell, and I have no idea whether things were visually on screen or not, though it didn't seem so. So I'm surprised this is new? Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Hey guys. > > You're not gonna believe what Mom and I just discovered! This is totally > cool! Remember how vo+F for find used to only search what was visually on > the screen, well, I just had her scroll me where my findquery was searching > for something not visually on the screen. It? Did it! It found it almost > instantly! So, this leads me to think that maybe Apple now wants us using > vo+F in Safari. I don't know if that would work everywhere globally, but it > sure as hell does in Safari. Even the things like the gmail sign out link, > or the hazel nuts etc. all those that you all've reported don't work in the > item chooser list, I too confirm they don't with vo+I, but visually on screen > or not, they work perfectly here with vo+F. Wait ago! Apple! I can't > believe that none of us thought of trying this sooner. I guess I just > assumed that vo+F still worked as always and thus didn't bother trying. God > do I feel stupid. Frankly all of us should. LOL! > > Now, if they could fix the ITunes sluggishness, and then the ITunes not > speaking while scrolling, then finally can fix the Safari issue where it > notifies you when a download begins without having to look at your toobar > then we'd have it made. > > Chris. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Move Addict in Lion
Hi Shawn, Do you really need Move Addict? Lion now natively supports moving files with cmd-option-v, which has always worked for me even with multiple selections. I don't consider Move Addict necessary any more and have removed it. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 12:38 PM, Shawn Krasniuk wrote: > Hey all. I've noticed that in Lion, Move Addict won't stay open. What I was > trying to do was cut and paste a few songs I downloaded from Youtube onto my > music folder on my USB drive. But for some reason Finder won't let me select > multiple files so I've been having to reopen Move Addict everytime I want to > cut and paste something. Has anybody else noticed this and is there a work > around? > > Shawn > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion, Suppressing the Date field.
Hi Jim, An interesting question. I'm trying to figure out why the obvious answer, check the view menu's message attributes submenu, doesn't seem to work. The choice is dimmed, but it apparently exists. I'll get back to the list if I find out an answer to this one. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Jim Fettgather wrote: > Hello. > > Using the new mail layout in Lion, I'm wondering if there is a way to > suppress the date field, while still being informed of the sender, subject, > and the preview of the first two lines of the message? > > Thanks for any tips on this. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Dashcode Crashes on Startup
Hi Brandon and all, You need to install the newest version of Xcode, which is available either from the mac app store or as a download from the Apple Developer site. I did and my copy of Dashcode works just fine. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:47 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > hi, > > Same here. However, I am able to open the older version in developer-old > with no problem. I'm assuming you have installed xcode4. > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 8:40 AM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I do all of my programming in Dashcode, and I've really come to like it. >> However, now that I've upgraded to Lion, I cannot start Dashcode. Anytime I >> try, or try to open a file in it, it crashes and gives me a "problem >> reporter" dialog. >> >> Anyone else having this problem? >> >> Thanks, >> Brandon >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
I should clarify that ctrl-tab will work if your pages are opened in separate tabs in the same window, which might happen more or less frequently depending on your settings. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 4:14 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > That'll work too. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Ricardo Walker" > To: > Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 7:06 AM > Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion > > > The same way its always been done. At least since Leopard when I started > using a Mac, command accent. > > hth > > Ricardo Walker > rwalker...@gmail.com > Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 > www.mobileaccess.org > > On Jul 24, 2011, at 7:02 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > > Mmm, true, but on the IPhone, there's a button you'll have to press in order > to see other pages than the one that has focus, and the focused page is the > one that's opened last. Oh well, cmd+opt+q seems to be my best friend at the > moment… Btw, the one question we haven't asked in our frustration is how does > one jump between pages that are opened? > > /Krister > 24 jul 2011 kl. 02:14 skrev John Panarese: > >> Keep in mind that Lion resembles iOS. The look and feel of Lion is intended >> to be like the iPhone or iPad. For example, the new view in mail is like >> what one finds on the iPad. So, the applications are going to start to be >> like those we find in the iOS environment. >> >> Take Care >> >> John Panarese >> jpanar...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:53 PM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Thanks for that tip, I will remember to do that from now on. Although I >>> really don't understand why Apple would change this behavior from before. >>> And there is no option under Safari menu to close all windows and quit. >>> I think this is going to be a problem. Say you go to a website, and for >>> some reason, Safari crashes, and it is not responding. This has happened to >>> me more often with Safari than any other browser I've used. >>> You need to force quit Safari in order to close it. The next time you open >>> Safari, guess what, it's going to open the last page it had, which is the >>> page that crashed, you are stuck. >>> Unless there is a way to open Safari without opening any windows, similar >>> to the way if you hold down the Options key while opening iTunes, you will >>> be prompted for a library. >>> I tried this, no luck. >>> >>> >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:23 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: >>> Hi, John is correct. As mentioned in a separate thread, you can use the cmd-option-q which will Quit and Discard Windows, thus allowing you to startup Safari from your Homepage. Alternatively, you can go into your system Preferences, select the General pane and uncheck the box for Recovering Windows. It sometimes doesn't take effect right away, but it will. If you have problems with this, please repost and someone will assist. Later… On 2011-07-23, at 2:11 PM, John Panarese wrote: > Have you tried quitting Safari with, option-command-q instead of just > command-q? I believe this will close all of the active Safari Windows > and will not have them open next time you start Safari. > > Take Care > > John Panarese > jpanar...@gmail.com > > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Teresa, >> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >> open all the windows from the last session. >> So that doesn't work. >> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit >> Safari, close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of >> all windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home >> page? >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>> session". >>> >>> HTH, >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>> Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before q
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Dear Krister, This change impacts everybody, sighted or not. It's an artifact of Lion's resume feature, as has been previously said. The difference with sighted people is that they can click on windows to move between them quickly. We have a few choices for emulating this, including the window chooser (vo-f2 f2) and the Apple shortcut cmd-`. FInally, we have Mission Control, the same as sighted people, so could use that as well if we wanted to. THis change really shouldn't be a deal breaker for anybody, it takes a few seconds at most to switch pages, and I have trouble imagining a setting where a few seconds is absolutely essential. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 3:45 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > Hi, > There has to be a good way of doing this, otherwise, it feels like a real > deal breaker and one i don't understand the point with. Why would i want to > look at pages i've looked at before, unless ofcorse it's something very > important i forgot to do on the page or something. > If the latest page got focus, it may not be so bad, but it's always the > earlier pages that has focus. > /Krister > > 23 jul 2011 kl. 21:57 skrev Shen: > >> Teresa, >> I saw that too, but it's not a checkbox. It's an option that lets Safari >> open all the windows from the last session. >> So that doesn't work. >> Looks like 1 way of doing this is when I am done and about to quit Safari, >> close all tabs and windows, then open my home page, then quit. >> I can't imagine there is no way to just open the home page instead of all >> windows from last session. Otherwise, what's the point of a home page? >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:28 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: >> >>> In the history menu in Safari, uncheck "Reopen all windows from last >>> session". >>> >>> HTH, >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Shen wrote: >>> Hello, Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a little annoying. I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an > issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if > not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that > doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've > got a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, > and it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i > had up last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first > starting Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't > want to have to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus > away from the page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting > somewhere, only i can't find it. > /Krister > > 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: > >> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or >> lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, >> freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari >> apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to >> download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, >> the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web >> roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I >> upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all >> just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because >> they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to >> anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power >> situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue >> either. Calm down everyone. :) >> Chris Westbrook >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: >> >>> Hi guys. >>> Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since >>> Lion came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. >>> If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It >>> can be done easily enough if you have a recent ba
Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion
Hi Chris, Very odd. cmd-option-q works consistently for me in Safari. As a test, I did a GOogle search and then used the combination. My homepage came back when I reopened the program, not the search results. Best, Zack. On Jul 24, 2011, at 1:03 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Totally agree about the item chooser. > > It's almost a dealbreaker for me to go back to SL. I'm being patient, though > I don't know why. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Dan Roy" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:17 PM > Subject: Re: Totally bizarre finding with Safari 5.1 in Lion > > > THERE WAS AN ANSWER POSTED EARLIER, YOU HAVE 2 CHOICES. > > 1. WHEN QUITTING THE APPLICATION HIT OPTION ALONG WITH COMMAND-Q AND IT WILL > GO BACK TO THE DEFAULT STATE. > > 2. UNDER THE GENERAL TAB OF SYSTEM PREFERENCES, THERE IS A CHECKBOX TO > TOGGLE THE BEHAVIOR OF PREVIOUS WINDOWS OPENING WHEN YOU RESTART AN APP. > > MY BIGGEST ISSUE NOW IS WITH THE ITEM CHOOSER WHICH I HAVE GROWN TO LOVE AND > IS COMPLETELY UNRELIABLE UNDER LION. > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:48 PM, Shen wrote: > >> Hello, >> Yes, you and I are having the same issue. Whenever I open Safari, I prefer >> to have only my hope page open. But for some reason, it is now opening all >> the pages I had open the last time I quite Safari. As far as I can find, >> there is no setting to change that. The other little quirk I have is >> whenever a page is done loading, VoiceOver doesn't always put me in the html >> content and start interacting with it. I have to press VO-Shift-Down Arrow >> to start interacting with it. The second issue is not that bad, but just a >> little annoying. >> I sure would like to know if I can get Safari to open only my home page and >> not all the tabs and windows I had open the last time before quitting Safari. >> >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 3:52 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: >> >>> I wholeheartedly agree with Chris here. Calm down, folks. If there's an >>> issue, first check if there's a solution or workaround for the thing, if >>> not, ask a question here, after the frustration has settled, and if that >>> doesn't help, write a polite letter to Apples Accessibility team. I've got >>> a couple issues i'm investigating now, one of them are on-topic here, and >>> it's about how i go about having Safari not to open all the pages i had up >>> last every time i open a new page. It makes sense when first starting >>> Safari directly, but if there's a page i want to read, i don't want to have >>> to close all the other pages that pop up and taking focus away from the >>> page i want to read. Surely there must be a setting somewhere, only i can't >>> find it. >>> /Krister >>> >>> 23 jul 2011 kl. 03:39 skrev Chris Westbrook: >>> And in case anyone actually cares, this has nothing to do with vo or lion. The reason Jaws won't download on safari is that by default, freedom scientific offers direct ftp links to their downloads and safari apparently can't handle direct ftp links. If you REALLY want to download Jaws from a mac, FS offers a page for http downloads. Frankly, the whole item chooser thing really doesn't bother me much as the web roder has always worked for me and that is for the web. I am glad I upgraded, and I'm even getting used to the new mail. I think we all just need to calm down a bit. As far as apple not caring, just because they don't talk to us doesn't mean they don't care. They don't talk to anyone, it's as simple as that. Missy, I really hope you get your power situation straightened out, but I don't think that is a lion issue either. Calm down everyone. :) Chris Westbrook On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi guys. > Just to add a little to what Carolyn said, it's been two days since Lion > came out so don't expect these problems to just magically go away. > If they are making some of you guys that angry, switch back to SL. It can > be done easily enough if you have a recent backup. > Email off list please if you need help doing this seeing as this is > starting to become not VO related anymore. > Thanks and for those that need too, chill! > > On 2011-07-22, at 9:16 PM, carolyn Haas wrote: > >> Hi Chris: >> Do yourself and all of us a favor: >> Step away from the computer and chill for a while before writing a >> pointless rave like this. No one really needs to hear it. >> >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 6:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> Not exactly that anyone would really want! to download this, but, why >>> in the heck is it, that if I go to either >>> >>> http://www.freedomscientific.com >>> >>> Or: >>> >>> http://www.hj.com >>> >>> Take your pick, for one, I am finding the item chooser stuff hap
Re: Truncating Lines in Terminal
Hi Austin and All, Yes, I can now confirm seeing this, at least in Emacs. I will write to Apple Accessibility about it and hope they have some notion of how to fix it. Thanks for the clarification, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 11:48 AM, Barry Hadder wrote: > Hello, > > Yes I have noticed this:(. I've emailed apple accessibility. > > Not happy. > > > On Jul 23, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Austin Seraphin wrote: > >> I've noticed that terminal has begun truncating lines. If I use Vo-L I can >> hear the line, or if in an editor I can arrow up and down and hear it >> sometimes, but I wondered if anyone else has experienced this. I made sure I >> have the window at full size, and the program not in full screen. has anyone >> found a fix? >> >> - Austin >> Unix Weirdo >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Truncating Lines in Terminal
Dear AUstin, Can you provide a concrete example of what happens when a line is truncated? It's easier to understand if I know what you're hearing, so to speak. I haven't noticed much odd in Terminal myself, but I don't use it all that regularly. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Austin Seraphin wrote: > I've noticed that terminal has begun truncating lines. If I use Vo-L I can > hear the line, or if in an editor I can arrow up and down and hear it > sometimes, but I wondered if anyone else has experienced this. I made sure I > have the window at full size, and the program not in full screen. has anyone > found a fix? > > - Austin > Unix Weirdo > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: For Those WHo Don't Want Window Restoration
Hi Tim, I'm not sure why you'd need to make that sort of recent items change. I didn't, and all it took was an initial launch, quit, and relaunch of Safari for it to work as intended. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 8:05 AM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > Hi, > > I don't particularly care for this behaviour either so I did some research. > The method Zack mentioned in the General System Pref works great although the > first time I unchecked that box, it did not do what it was supposed to. I > had to also change the number of Recent Applications in the General System > Pref to "None" before it was applied properly. I've since changed the Recent > Apps back to 10 and Safari does startup with my Homepage instead of the > previous window thing. > > One other method you may wish to use is cmd-option-q. This key combination > quits the given app and discards the windows. Note though that if you have > the "Recover Windows" option in General System Preferences unchecked, > cmd-option-q will behave in the opposite manner. That is, it will actually > keep the windows noted and open the windows upon startup instead. Hope this > isn't confusing. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-23, at 8:47 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi All, >> I've read some posts on list from people here who don't really want their >> windows restored to the way they were, particularly in Safari. While I >> don't know of a way to stop individual apps from acting this way, there is a >> global preference to do so for all of them. The new General pane contains a >> checkbox to prevent app window restoration. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > Tim Kilburn > Fort McMurray, AB Canada > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: For Those WHo Don't Want Window Restoration
Hi Chris and All, Very odd. I just tried a test with Safari, opening and quitting and reopening again, and the checkbox worked as intended, and the homepage came up with no extra tabs or windows open. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:51 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > This check box is broken. > > I've tried it, and it doesn't have any baring. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" > To: > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:47 AM > Subject: For Those WHo Don't Want Window Restoration > > > Hi All, > I've read some posts on list from people here who don't really want their > windows restored to the way they were, particularly in Safari. While I don't > know of a way to stop individual apps from acting this way, there is a global > preference to do so for all of them. The new General pane contains a > checkbox to prevent app window restoration. > Hope this helps, > Zack. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
For Those WHo Don't Want Window Restoration
Hi All, I've read some posts on list from people here who don't really want their windows restored to the way they were, particularly in Safari. While I don't know of a way to stop individual apps from acting this way, there is a global preference to do so for all of them. The new General pane contains a checkbox to prevent app window restoration. Hope this helps, Zack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion question
Hi Joseph, I'm not sure what's going on here either. In my Input Sources tab the table contains two columns, one for checkboxes and the other for sources. All the languages have labels, starting with Afghan. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:21 AM, joseph wrote: > aha, unfortunately, after going to input sources tab and interacting with the > table, i see a list of languages but they are not lab led. > > cheers > On 23 Jul 2011, at 04:02, Braille wrote: > >> It requires several steps. >> >> 1. add a new language input.: by going to preference, language and text, and >> go to the fourth tab where it says, input sources. Add the language input >> that you intend to use here. >> 2. Key change.: You can do this by going to the input change on menu bar but >> it is much easier to assign a key. For doing so, go to preference, keyboard, >> and choose keyboard shortcut. Towards the bottom, you will see the check box >> for go to previous and next language input. Activate this and put key >> command that you would like to use. >> 3. Test.: in a edit area or better in a text editor, type in both English >> and the language added by changing the input sources. >> Make sure that you got to change the tts of your language manually. >> >> Regards >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:16 PM, joseph wrote: >> >>> hello list >>> >>> my iMac keyboard is set to english u.s. since the new lions contains >>> voices in other languages, i would like to be able to write text in a >>> different language. please tell me how to accomplish this task? >>> >>> thank you in advance. >>> >>> best >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disappearing apps?
Hi Naama, I have no idea what is going on here. My apps always stay open the same way as they did in SL. I can't even begin to speculate on what might be going on, I'm afraid. Can you try and describe the symptoms in more detail, please? What happens when you command-tab for instance? ARe you told anything about them closing? Have you tried repeated command-tabbing to se what happens? Sorry I can't be more helpful, but this is genuinely very odd. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 7:13 AM, Naama Shang wrote: > Hi all, > I've noticed that when I start an app in Lion it kind of disappears after a > few second, and I have to go to the doc to get it back. Any idea why this is > happening and how to keep apps that I'm working on open so that I can command > tab between them? > Thanks, > Naama > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: VMWare Fusion and Lion
Hi Gary, I would check for updates under the VmWare FUsion menu, though I'm surprised automatic updates haven't already asked you about 3.1.3. Did you perhaps turn those off? I don't myself, so updated when it first came out. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:21 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: > Hi Zack, > > Yeh, I'm using 3.1.2 so that's probably it. Is there a way to update in the > program or do I get 3.1.3 from their website? > > On 23 Jul 2011, at 14:14, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi, >> Are you using FUsion 3.1.3? If so, this is indeed the newest version, and I >> don't know why your USB drives should be acting up. Mine haven't since the >> upgrade, and I've used them successfully with both my mac and VM. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 23, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: >> >>> Does Anyone know why I'm not getting the usual "connect to windows or mac" >>> message when I connect an external drive to fusion under lion? does this >>> work for anyone else? >>> >>> whenever I connect an external drive via usb, it automatically connects to >>> my mac. I'm not sure if that's because fusion has lost usb support or >>> whether there's a more up-to-date version of fusion i should be using? >>> On 21 Jul 2011, at 16:57, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>> >>>> You will need sited help in order to tell it to continue twice, and except >>>> the terms and conditions. >>>> Kliphton SR >>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>> Sent from my IMac >>>> >>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi, >>>>> VMware 2 doesn't seem to work, but Vmware 3 does work. But I do have a >>>>> question about something with fusion 3. When I booted into my virtual >>>>> machine under fusion 3, I got a message that my Vmware tools was out of >>>>> date, and to click install. That's fine, but I left it in the installing >>>>> state for about 7 and a half hours, and still no progress. Since this >>>>> isn't really mac-related, can someone possibly email me offlist with a >>>>> solution for this problem? >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Courtney >>>>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Emilio S. Hernandez wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone, >>>>>> >>>>>> Enjoying the lion discussion so far. >>>>>> Does anyone happen to know if VMWare works with lion? >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from Emilio's iPhone. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisiona
Re: VMWare Fusion and Lion
Hi, Are you using FUsion 3.1.3? If so, this is indeed the newest version, and I don't know why your USB drives should be acting up. Mine haven't since the upgrade, and I've used them successfully with both my mac and VM. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 5:53 AM, Gary Readfern-Gray wrote: > Does Anyone know why I'm not getting the usual "connect to windows or mac" > message when I connect an external drive to fusion under lion? does this > work for anyone else? > > whenever I connect an external drive via usb, it automatically connects to my > mac. I'm not sure if that's because fusion has lost usb support or whether > there's a more up-to-date version of fusion i should be using? > On 21 Jul 2011, at 16:57, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> You will need sited help in order to tell it to continue twice, and except >> the terms and conditions. >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> Sent from my IMac >> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:45 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> VMware 2 doesn't seem to work, but Vmware 3 does work. But I do have a >>> question about something with fusion 3. When I booted into my virtual >>> machine under fusion 3, I got a message that my Vmware tools was out of >>> date, and to click install. That's fine, but I left it in the installing >>> state for about 7 and a half hours, and still no progress. Since this isn't >>> really mac-related, can someone possibly email me offlist with a solution >>> for this problem? >>> Thanks, >>> Courtney >>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:23 AM, Emilio S. Hernandez wrote: >>> Hello everyone, Enjoying the lion discussion so far. Does anyone happen to know if VMWare works with lion? Thanks Sent from Emilio's iPhone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Speaking of Skype
Hi Donna, In all seriousness, I would recommend upgrading to Skype 5.x. 2.8 is or soon will be obsolete, and the problems can be worked around and aren't as frustrating as some people make them out to be. Unfortunately, I've been using Skype 5 for months, so don't have an answer for you as far as calls are concerned. Sorry, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 6:06 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > Speaking of Skype, in SL, when someone called, I was immediately taken to the > answer button and thus able to quickly answer a call. In Lion, I find that I > hear VO say "Answer window" but cannot actually find the answer button, so > have been unable to answer calls. Have others experienced this? Anyone know > a work-around for this? In case it's relevant, I'm using Skype 2.8. I did > not upgrade because I heard people had problems with the later versions. > TIA, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: conversations in new mail
Hi Shen and all, The sorting of conversations can be toggled in Preferences, actually. Look at the bottom of the view tab for "Show Most Recent Message at the Top." Uncheck that and you'll get the old behavior. Best, Zack. On Jul 23, 2011, at 1:14 AM, Shen wrote: > There is still the question about sorting your messages. > If you sort your messages by date in 1 order, messages in conversations are > sorted in reverse. For example, if all your messages are sorted in ascending > order, expand a conversation and the messages in that conversation are sorted > in descending. > Personally, when I expand a conversation, I prefer to start from the first > message of the thread, not at the last. I prefer to read a conversation from > the beginning forward instead from from the end backward. > This was not the case in SL. Can't figure out why they decide to reverse it > inside a conversation. > Am I the only person that likes it the previous way? > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:17 PM, Marc Workman wrote: > >> Don't bother with a hot spot on the mailbox list. You can simply shift tab >> and tab to go back and forth between the mailbox list and the message table. >> >> I did end up setting a hot spot for the search field since, unlike in SL, >> you don't seem to be able to tab into the search field. >> >> Best, >> >> Marc >> - Original Message - From: "Chris Westbrook" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 8:46 PM >> Subject: Re: conversations in new mail >> >> >> No, I just tried it, it works in the regular view, with the caveat that you >> must use vo+up and down arrow to move through the messages when in the >> message content area. also if you set a hot spot on the mailbox list I >> think you can get there a lot quicker. >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:44 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >> >>> Hi Shameless, >>> A small caveat here. THis seems to only really work in Classic view, but >>> is otherwise very sound advice. I appreciate it. >>> Best and thanks, >>> Zack. >>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote: >>> >>>> You don't, and can in fact merely tab over once you're sitting on the >>>> thread you want to view. This will get you to a list of messages within >>>> that thread, from where you can either use left and right, or up and down >>>> arrows to navigate through them. To return to the threads list, either use >>>> VO left arrow, or shift tab. For the record, to return to the list of >>>> inboxes, stop interacting with the message list, (for me, this requires >>>> two presses of VO shift up arrow), and VO left twice to return to your >>>> list of mailboxes. >>>> >>>> I HTH guys >>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi CHris, >>>>> The area you mention is accessible if you don't expand a conversation, >>>>> but instead stop interacting and move right. I'm not sure what goes on >>>>> visually in conversation view, but it occurs to me you might not need to >>>>> expand them all that often actually. Experimentation is in order. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I just wanted to say I'm getting used to the new conversation view in >>>>>> mail. The way i do it now is to expand a conversation I'm interested in >>>>>> and then down arrow to the first message. Then I do a vo+j to go to the >>>>>> preview pane and then read the message, then I either delete it or do a >>>>>> vo+j again to go to the message list to select another message. My >>>>>> question is that it seems that if you're not focused on a message within >>>>>> the conversation, if you stop interacting with the message list and then >>>>>> vo+right arrow a couple of times the message content area displays all >>>>>> the messages in a conversation, one per line. I tried to set a hotspot >>>>>> there but I can't get to it from the message list. IS there a quick hot >>>>>> key to get to the area I am thinking of? This isn't as bad as I thought >>>>>> it was going to be now that I have gotten used to it. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this
Re: conversations in new mail
Hi Shameless, A small caveat here. THis seems to only really work in Classic view, but is otherwise very sound advice. I appreciate it. Best and thanks, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Shameless FanGirl wrote: > You don't, and can in fact merely tab over once you're sitting on the thread > you want to view. This will get you to a list of messages within that thread, > from where you can either use left and right, or up and down arrows to > navigate through them. To return to the threads list, either use VO left > arrow, or shift tab. For the record, to return to the list of inboxes, stop > interacting with the message list, (for me, this requires two presses of VO > shift up arrow), and VO left twice to return to your list of mailboxes. > > I HTH guys > On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:31 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi CHris, >> The area you mention is accessible if you don't expand a conversation, but >> instead stop interacting and move right. I'm not sure what goes on visually >> in conversation view, but it occurs to me you might not need to expand them >> all that often actually. Experimentation is in order. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: >> >>> I just wanted to say I'm getting used to the new conversation view in mail. >>> The way i do it now is to expand a conversation I'm interested in and then >>> down arrow to the first message. Then I do a vo+j to go to the preview >>> pane and then read the message, then I either delete it or do a vo+j again >>> to go to the message list to select another message. My question is that >>> it seems that if you're not focused on a message within the conversation, >>> if you stop interacting with the message list and then vo+right arrow a >>> couple of times the message content area displays all the messages in a >>> conversation, one per line. I tried to set a hotspot there but I can't get >>> to it from the message list. IS there a quick hot key to get to the area I >>> am thinking of? This isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be now that >>> I have gotten used to it. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: perhaps repairing permitions might help?
Hi Ray and all, Yes, I highly recommend a permission repair after install. I did so today, and was surprised at just how many errors were caught and fixed. As far as Mail goes, I have had no problems completing recipient addresses the same way I always did in SL. I can't comment on the Item Chooser situation, seeing as I never use it. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote: > It occurred to me to wonder and ask something. What with so many of y'all > seemingly having so many issues with mail and such, have y'all tried maybe > repairing disk permitions after doing the install? Just a thought that > perhaps that might clear things up. > > Now, what's this I hear about you can't hear the completion of e-mail > recipients addresses in the new view? And, what with the item chooser in > Safari seemingly so heywire, I'm again beginning to wonder just what I'm > about to get myself in to. Yeah, I'll eventually take the plunge; after all, > it's sitting in my app folder now. > > > Sincerely, > The Constantly Barefooted Ray!!! > > Now a very proud and happy Mac user!!! > > Skype name: > barefootedray > > Facebook: > facebook.com/ray.foretjr.1 > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: conversations in new mail
Hi CHris, The area you mention is accessible if you don't expand a conversation, but instead stop interacting and move right. I'm not sure what goes on visually in conversation view, but it occurs to me you might not need to expand them all that often actually. Experimentation is in order. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: > I just wanted to say I'm getting used to the new conversation view in mail. > The way i do it now is to expand a conversation I'm interested in and then > down arrow to the first message. Then I do a vo+j to go to the preview pane > and then read the message, then I either delete it or do a vo+j again to go > to the message list to select another message. My question is that it seems > that if you're not focused on a message within the conversation, if you stop > interacting with the message list and then vo+right arrow a couple of times > the message content area displays all the messages in a conversation, one per > line. I tried to set a hotspot there but I can't get to it from the message > list. IS there a quick hot key to get to the area I am thinking of? This > isn't as bad as I thought it was going to be now that I have gotten used to > it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Activity Examples?
Hi All, I'm wondering if anybody here can give some examples of ways they find the new activities feature useful? Coming from SL I'm used to not having them, and so would love to hear from others cases where they're of practical benefit. I'm mostly just curious, though that won't stop me from shamelessly stealing your ideas if I like them well enough. :) Thanks for any info, Zack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life under lion
Hi Missy, As a note, I repaired permissions in mostly the way TIm describes, except for first booting into the recovery partition just to be safe. I wanted to make sure the OS wasn't being used in any way which might prevent repairs. That can be done by holding cmd-r as the machine reboots. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:45 PM, Tim Kilburn wrote: > To repair the permissions, do the following: > > 1. Go to the Finder, VO-shift-d for Desktop will do. > 2. Press cmd-shift-u to take you to the Utilities folder. > 3. Navigate to the Disk Utility app, and open it. > 4. Interact with the "Select a Disk" table. > 5. Select the Macintosh HD volume. > 6. Stop Interacting with the table. > 7. Select the First Aid tab. > 8. Navigate to the Repair Disk Permissions button and press it. > > The process could take anywhere from 2 minutes to 20 minutes depending on how > much stuff needs attention. Just let it do its thing then see how your Mac > behaves after. As in most time estimations,, don't take the OS's estimation > as gospel, it will get done in its own time. > > One other thing to note from reading your posts. It is not recommended that > you leave your MacBook plugged in continuously. The worst thing for a > battery is for it to get too hot. The heat will cause it to degrade faster > than many other factors. You can leave it plugged in for a while after it is > charged, but don't consistently do that for hours after full charge. > > Later… > > On 2011-07-22, at 1:36 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> Repaired the permissions? I don't even know what that means. How is it done? >> I'll gladly give it a try if you think it would >> help at all. >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Kilburn >> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:34 PM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: battery life under lion >> >> Have you Repaired the permissions. It is a good practice after a major >> upgrade such as this. I have the 15 inch I7 version >> and am not seeing battery life problems such as you've mentioned. >> >> Later… >> >> On 2011-07-22, at 1:28 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >> >>> That's what I have too: a 2011 13 inch macbook pro. I'm not sure if the >>> battery life being cut in half is related or not, >> but >>> I've also noticed my macbook running a lot warmer than it ever did under >>> sl. I'm wondering if it's time to call apple >> and/or >>> take my macbook into a store. Obviously, there's some weird stuff going on. >>> If nothing else, maybe they can help me revert >> to >>> sl. The running hot thing is really starting to make me nervous, so I've >>> turned off the mac for the time being. >>> Missy >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline >>> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:17 PM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: battery life under lion >>> >>> Hi Missy, >>> I'm afraid that I can't confirm this issue either. I have a macbook pro, >>> so perhaps that has a longer battery life. I've >>> ran this on battery several times since upgrading and had no issues to >>> speak of. >>> Best, >>> Zack. >>> On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am >>>> wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This >>> one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, >>> but I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my >>> questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post >>> about here. >>>> I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 >>>> hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 >>> and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from >>> time to time for other tasks, and even then >> would >>> get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I >>> decided this morning that I would let it run on >>> battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into >>> an outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in >> my >>> d
Re: yet another VO feature broken?
Hi Donna, THis isn't really a VoiceOver feature but a Mail one, and no, it doesn't seem to work under the new layout at least. There is always the official search box in the Mail toolbar, and other ways to find messages which have been improved in Lion. See Mail Help. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 1:06 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > Previously, when I wanted to find a message from a specific person, I could > just type the first couple of letters of their name and I would be taken to a > message from that sender. This no longer works on my machine. Can someone > confirm? > Thanks, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: battery life under lion
Hi Missy, If it's that noticeable I would seriously consider taking it in. Do you have an Applecare plan? If so, take advantage of it. If not, I'd still take it in, this is the kind of thing that can drive you nuts if you don't take care of it. Good luck, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 12:28 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > That's what I have too: a 2011 13 inch macbook pro. I'm not sure if the > battery life being cut in half is related or not, but > I've also noticed my macbook running a lot warmer than it ever did under sl. > I'm wondering if it's time to call apple and/or > take my macbook into a store. Obviously, there's some weird stuff going on. > If nothing else, maybe they can help me revert to > sl. The running hot thing is really starting to make me nervous, so I've > turned off the mac for the time being. > Missy > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2011 3:17 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: battery life under lion > > Hi Missy, > I'm afraid that I can't confirm this issue either. I have a macbook pro, so > perhaps that has a longer battery life. I've > ran this on battery several times since upgrading and had no issues to speak > of. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > >> Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am >> wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This > one is almost serious enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but > I'm not entirely sure how to do that, but my > questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't what I wanted to post > about here. >> I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 >> hours of battery life with screen brightness at 0 > and just leaving the mac idle to check twitter and things. I'd use it from > time to time for other tasks, and even then would > get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged battery. Well, I > decided this morning that I would let it run on > battery for a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an > outlet since it primarily lives on a desk in my > dining room. Still, I try to drain the battery at least once every week or > two so that it will be in good shape if I ever do > need to travel. >> Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the >> status menu. It told me I was going to get > nearly 10 hours off the battery charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I > could leave it running happily all day on > battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see if I had > missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, > and the macbook was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. > I plugged in the ac adapter, and everything came > back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes til the battery is fully charged. >> So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced >> battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend > on twitter confirm that he's experiencing the same problem, so am almost > definite that this isn't just me. If I find one more > flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to snow leopard, > that's for sure! >> Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really >> wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the > talk about taming the lion. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+u
Re: battery life under lion
Hi Missy, I'm afraid that I can't confirm this issue either. I have a macbook pro, so perhaps that has a longer battery life. I've ran this on battery several times since upgrading and had no issues to speak of. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > Hello, all! I've just found a major, major problem with lion, and am > wondering if anyone else has experienced it yet. This one is almost serious > enough to make me want to run back to snow leopard, but I'm not entirely sure > how to do that, but my questions and concerns regarding downgrading aren't > what I wanted to post about here. > I have a 2011 macbook pro mc724LLA. Before lion, I was getting around 8 hours > of battery life with screen brightness at 0 and just leaving the mac idle to > check twitter and things. I'd use it from time to time for other tasks, and > even then would get around 8 hours of productivity on a fully charged > battery. Well, I decided this morning that I would let it run on battery for > a little while; I typically just leave my macbook plugged into an outlet > since it primarily lives on a desk in my dining room. Still, I try to drain > the battery at least once every week or two so that it will be in good shape > if I ever do need to travel. > Anyway, I disconnected the AC adapter as I usually do, and then checked the > status menu. It told me I was going to get nearly 10 hours off the battery > charge. I was pretty excited; figuring that I could leave it running happily > all day on battery. Well, no such luck. About 4-5 hours later, I went to see > if I had missed any direct messages or anything on twitter, and the macbook > was completely dead. Nothing I pressed would respond at all. I plugged in the > ac adapter, and everything came back to life, and now it's 1 hour 24 minutes > til the battery is fully charged. > So, I guess my question is this: has anyone else noticed seriously reduced > battery life on their macbooks? I had one friend on twitter confirm that he's > experiencing the same problem, so am almost definite that this isn't just me. > If I find one more flaw in lion, I am going to figure out how to downgrade to > snow leopard, that's for sure! > Well, I guess that's it for now. I hope that everyone is having a really > wonderful day, and I'm really enjoying all the talk about taming the lion. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more thing broken in mail?
Hi Donna, Nope, I can't confirm. It works just fine for me. ONe thought though: have you perhaps accidentally set the program to full screen mode? If you do this there are some known bugs and strange behaviors with multiple windows in applications. I just don't use it and command-accent works fine for me in all cases. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Command-accent no longer switches windows in mail for me. It does work in > other areas such as the finder. Can anyone else confirm? > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to sort apps in launchpad?
Hi Jonathan, Once again, I'm afraid this is problematic as of now. While you can, apparently, sort apps into folders via drag and drop,, accessing those folders seems difficult at best. Apple has been informed Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:26 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I find 3 pages in Launchpad and I want to customize Launchpad. > > I tried new dragAndDrop functions of VoiceOver but I can't change the > position of application icons and I can't move an application icon from page > 3 to 1 in Launchpad. > > How can I do these actions? > > Thanks and regards > Jonathan Chacón > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How to delete spaces in Mission control?
Hi Jonathan, I don't believe you can as of yet. I've emailed Apple Accessibility about this. Sorry, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:23 AM, Jonathan Chacón wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I created some new spaces in Mission Control but I don't know how can I >> delete them using VoiceOver. >> >> thanks and regards >> Jonathan Chacón >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
Hi Donna, The simple explanation is that Voiceover's trackpad gestures are quite independent of the things sighted people do with the trackpad. We had them long before a lot of sighted people did. VoiceOver completely takes over the pad for its own use when you turn on Trackpad Commander. Hope this helps, Zack On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:17 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Oh, how odd! It is a trackpad gesture, but you have to have trackpad off. > That seems a little less than intuitive. Thanks, wouldn't have figured that > one out. > Best, > Donna > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 10:04 AM, Ronald McEwan wrote: > >> It does not work if trackpad commander is turned on. You would have to set >> up a gesture to do it. >> >> >> In the Journey, >> >> Ron >> >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 7:52 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Ron, are there any caveats to this? I hate to sound like a broken record, >>> but that's not working over here, either. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Ronald McEwan wrote: >>> Pinch three fingers and thumb to bring up LaunchPad. In the Journey, Ron On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I was under the impression that there was a mouse gesture while track pad > commander was disabled that a blind, or sighted person could do to slide > launchpad into view, but I can't for the life a me remember what it is. > does anyone remember? > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: Austin Seraphin > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: Launchpad > > I don't know about worthless. I actually think it might have some cool > potential. It does have a few differences than a standard grid view. > Firstly, in theory, you can drag and drop applications like in iOS. This > includes dropping one application on top of another to form a folder. > Many blind people already know about this from having an iDevice. I'd > kind of like a nice home screen or three with some cool folders. The > launchpad also has another interesting feature: in addition to looking in > /Applications (off the root), it also looks in ~/Applications (off the > home directory). I could imagine some interesting uses for that. But as > you've pointed out elsewhere, we have several quite handy ways to launch > applications. > > - Austin > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: > >> Yup, >> >> It works its just worthless. lol. Its just basically viewing apps in a >> grid view. >> >> Ricardo Walker >> rwalker...@gmail.com >> Twitter & Skype: rwalker296 >> www.mobileaccess.org >> >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >> >>> Daniel, >>> There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad >>> doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he >>> detailed some of his reasons. >>> Mary Otten >>> motte...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" gro
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi Donna, I'm almost certain I am. The problem I've had is that I've rarely downloaded anything quite large enough to make the window stay around for a long time. Though I think that depending on your settings it might linger longer, if you set it to clear downloads manually for instance. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:50 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Zack, > > Hoping you're right! :) My experience with Lion has been shaky enough that > I'm skeptical, but I'll contain my skepticism for now. :) > Cheers, > Donna > > On Jul 22, 2011, at 8:21 AM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Donna, >> In my experience, the downloads button only appears when there is actually a >> download in progress. I've found it quite consistent in that case. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the >>> lovely thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found >>> a different way to access the downloads window? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: >>> >>>> To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the >>>> Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads >>>> Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> >>>> Anne >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Determining how much space is in my hard drive
Dear Courtney, There are several ways to tell this sort of information. The way I usually do it is with the Get Info window, cmd-i. You can select your hard drive or whatever folder you want and it will tell you the size among many other things. How did you do it? Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:40 AM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > In snow leopard, I used to be able to tell how many items were in any given > folder in my hard drive, and how much available space was left on my hard > drive. How can I get this information back? > Thanks, > Courtney > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Finding the downloads window in Safari
Hi Donna, In my experience, the downloads button only appears when there is actually a download in progress. I've found it quite consistent in that case. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > this doesn't work for me. When I Press VO-right arrow, I just get the lovely > thunk sound that tells me there's no where to go. Has anyone found a > different way to access the downloads window? > TIA, > Donna > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 2:44 PM, Anne Robertson wrote: > >> To find the downloads window in Safari, press Cmd-Option-f to land in the >> Google search box, then do VO-Right arrow and you'll be on the Downloads >> Button. Click it and you're in the Downloads window. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Anne >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Help! How to undelete a block of text
Dear Christine, Try hitting cmd-z for undo. If you've avoided doing anything else to your text after deleting it, that should bring it back. Best, Zack. On Jul 22, 2011, at 5:28 AM, Christine Grassman wrote: > Could someone please reind me how to undelete a block of deleted text? I > wrote something, and wanted to copy and paste, but after hitting select all, > instead of hitting copy, I hit delete. Thanks! > Christine > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Vo not remembering my place in text edit, or scrolling to specific points in documents.
Hi Kari, This is a case of not interacting with the edit area I believe. If you do that VO will properly track the cursor position. It isn't typically necessary unless you want to do something fancy like reading the entire document, as here. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:12 PM, johns.kary wrote: > Hi guys, > > I updated to lion last night, and now in text edit it won't move to a point > in a document or remember my place. > If I wanted to move to a specific point in a document I used to just be able > to do CMD F type in the word I was looking for and it would jump to that > point. Now if I do that or even scroll through using the aero keys, it says > what the cursorsmoving over, but as soon as I try to read from that point > with VO A or even just the up down aero keys, it jumps strait back to the > top of the document. Same thing if I move out of text edit with CMD tab and > come back, it's incredibly frustrating! > > I've been through the VO utility, and everything that should be checked seams > to be, but it has been quite a while since I've had to have anything to do > with those settings so I could quite easily be forgetting something. > > Can anyone shed some light on this? It's making life tricky to say the least. > :) > Thanks, > Kari. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Annoyingly sluggish typing
Hi Howard, I don't notice this, perhaps because I turned off all forms of character echo a long time ago. Typing seems just the same to me as it did under SL. Sorry I can't be more helpful, but I genuinely haven't noticed anything at all different about that part of things. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Howard Dupuis wrote: > Has anyone figured out a way to get around -- or get rid of -- the > annoyingly sluggish response time when typing -- it's happening as I > write this -- under Lion? I've found it in Pages, in Mail, in form > fields on Safari. I've found it everywhere, actually. I'm using Alex > and don't wish to switch, for whatever that's worth. > Thanks. > -- Howard > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nuance voices
You're probably right. Still, I do wonder if there is a reason for this inflexibility on Apple's part. I don't know enough about programming or licensing concerns, but perhaps either or both of those came into play here. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Shen wrote: > I'm can't confirm that in Windows. But if they are full SAPI 5 compliant > voices, such as NeoSpeech Julie, pitch and intonation can be changed. > And do you really want to compare a Mac to Windows? > I may be wrong, but I believe you can change the pitch of Samantha in an > iPHone. > > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:38 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi, >> I don't know about you, but I don't recall being able to change the pitch of >> these voices under Windows either. SOme voices simply have this limitation, >> such as the Acapella group's. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Shen wrote: >> >>> I hope Apple didn't rush implementing the voices too soon. But it certainly >>> feels that way. >>> If you use any of the Nuances voices, Samantha, Jill, Tom, etc, you cannot >>> change pitch or intonation. >>> Yes, I'm not kidding, you cannot change the pitch or the intonation for any >>> of the Nuance voices. >>> I've tried and thought for a moment that I had too much beer, but no, >>> Samantha kept talking with the same pitch and intonation, no change. >>> How disappointing. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Nuance voices
Hi, I don't know about you, but I don't recall being able to change the pitch of these voices under Windows either. SOme voices simply have this limitation, such as the Acapella group's. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:34 PM, Shen wrote: > I hope Apple didn't rush implementing the voices too soon. But it certainly > feels that way. > If you use any of the Nuances voices, Samantha, Jill, Tom, etc, you cannot > change pitch or intonation. > Yes, I'm not kidding, you cannot change the pitch or the intonation for any > of the Nuance voices. > I've tried and thought for a moment that I had too much beer, but no, > Samantha kept talking with the same pitch and intonation, no change. > How disappointing. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: New checkbox.
Hi, I'd think its label would be obvious. It controls whether or not your previously open windows will reopen when you log back in. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:00 PM, Georges Zaynoun wrote: > There seems to be a new checkbox when restarting or shutting down, don't > understand what it is meant for, any clues? > > -- > Georges Zeinoun > Timmerv. 6A, SE54163 SKÖVDE > Tel: +46500201623, +46500482929 > Mobile: +46707567315 > E-mail: humorlessg...@samobile.net > > Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit > www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: help with vmware fusion 3
Hi Courtney, Either with vo-shift-space or the physical mouse or trackpad. It doesn't matter which in this instance. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:47 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > One more question, how do I do a "mouse click"? > Courtney > On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:31 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Courtney, >> The way to do this depends on whether you want your VM running full screen >> or not. I generally like mine to do so. WHat you want to do is start the >> VM and click the mouse once, in the apparently empty window, to move focus >> to the full screen area. After this, you can just cmd-tab between the VM >> and other applications normally, and focus should move between them >> seamlessly. >> In order to first start running the VM full screen you need to hit >> cmd-ctrl-return, which toggles between windowed and full screen modes. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I just upgraded to VM ware fusion 3, the latest version, so it would work >>> with lion. But I'm having trouble getting focus into the virtual machine so >>> I can work on it. There's no scroll area like there was in VMware fusion 2. >>> Can anyone please help? >>> Courtney >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: help with vmware fusion 3
Hi Courtney, The way to do this depends on whether you want your VM running full screen or not. I generally like mine to do so. WHat you want to do is start the VM and click the mouse once, in the apparently empty window, to move focus to the full screen area. After this, you can just cmd-tab between the VM and other applications normally, and focus should move between them seamlessly. In order to first start running the VM full screen you need to hit cmd-ctrl-return, which toggles between windowed and full screen modes. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 6:18 PM, Courtney Curran wrote: > Hi, > I just upgraded to VM ware fusion 3, the latest version, so it would work > with lion. But I'm having trouble getting focus into the virtual machine so I > can work on it. There's no scroll area like there was in VMware fusion 2. Can > anyone please help? > Courtney > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Several Difficulties with New Mail
Hi Deb, I can take a crack at helping with this. You can edit the SMTP server settings in Mail preferences, in the Accounts pane. You'll need to take the account offline, I think, but after that the process is fairly straight-forward. You can set things up so only a specific server will be used per each account. THe other is somewhat more complicated. You can't completely disable the combined inbox, as far as I know. What you can do is show the mailboxes table with the button in the favorites bar and configure your favorites in such a way as to let you switch between work and home inboxes with a key press. It's a somewhat complex process, but explained in Mail help. I can't vouch for this one since I don't mind the combined box myself. Hope this helps somewhat, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:43 PM, Deb Lewis wrote: > I never liked the old mail layout on the mac so am pretty sure I will > actually like this new one. But I'm having several unrelated > difficulties. part of this probably comes from my being too much of a > newbee with the mac in the first place i'm afraid. So it may not all > be Lion. > > First, where would I go to edit my sMTP server? It's not correct for > one of my accounts but I seem to be going in circles when I try to > make changes to it. So where do I go and basically how do I go about > this. > > My other issue relates to reading mail. I prefer not to have > conversation view so have turned that off. I can move through the > messages and can read them etc. But I only have my Inbox. Where are my > other boxes. And can I disable the entire smart Inbox function? I > really liked my accounts being individualized since they are for work > and home. I've liked being able to be at work or home exclusively with > respect to mail. Now it's all mixed together. I know they introed the > smart box on the phone and I was able to disable it there, but I've > searched everywhere. > I think if I can disable smart boxes and fix my SMTP server issues, I > might be pretty set in mail. > Thanks for any help. Feeling so muddled right now. > > deb > > -- > Find me on: > Twitter: http://twitter.com/deblewis53 > Facebook: http://facebook.com/deblewis53 > WWW: http://therideradio.net > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Fwd: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues
Dear MacVisionaries, I've just sent the following letter to Apple Accessibility. I hope it provides a decent summation of some of the issues we've been experiencing with the new OS, and that it will give them a better idea of what sorts of things should be looked into when they upgrade the product. I'll be sure to forward any response I receive. Best, Zack. Begin forwarded message: > From: Zachary Kline > Subject: OS X Lion and VoiceOver issues > Date: July 21, 2011 1:58:13 PM PDT > To: Apple Accessibility > > Dear Apple Accessibility, > I have recently upgraded my mid 2010 macbook pro to Lion, and have for the > most part been quite pleased with its performance. However, there are a few > troubling developments which degrade the overall quality of the experience. > THe Launchpad and Mission Control features seem mostly accessible, but there > are some omissions which render them less useful than they could be. There > seems no way to move applications into folders, or indeed at all, using > VoiceOver. Drag and drop does not do the expected thing. Mission Control is > somewhat better, but Spaces seem impractical because there is neither any way > to delete them nor to move between apps in a single space. > Safari and Mail also present accessibility problems. Safari's new downloads > popup is not ideal accessibility-wise, and while it works after a fashion the > old downloads window was preferable. Similarly, Mail seems sluggish, often > reporting that it is busy, especially in the new layout. Drag and drop is > inconsistent here as well: the Favorites bar can be added to with the new > shortcuts, but Voiceover refuses to drag items which have a press action, > thus requiring the old mouse toggling shortcut to remove them. > These are a representative sampling of the various issues I've encountered in > using Lion with VoiceOver. I hope that at least some of these may be fixed > in the near future, as this would greatly improve the usability of the system. > Yours sincerely, > Zack Kline. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Wow, what's up with Lion!
Hi Missy, I can help with the trackpad commander information at least. I've consistently been told the status whenever I change it, so suggest you might not be doing the gesture correctly somehow. I'll hear the audio cue as well as a verbal notification every time. Otherwise, com.apple.dock.extra is happening for me as well, and is at worst a minor annoyance. It seems to go away on its own and doesn't seem to be doing any harm, whatever it is, though I'm curious as well. I doubt a clean install would matter, and trust a lot of these issues will be cleared up by 10.7.1, which knowing APple will probably be out soon enough. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Missy Hoppe wrote: > Hi! I completely agree with your observations regarding VO at startup. The > boot time is at least 10 seconds longer now, and > VO has yet to say its welcome message. Furthermore, that > "com.apple.dock.extras" thing is already driving me bananas! I > might be brave and attempt a clean install once a podcast is posted to give > detailed instructions, but like you, I wonder if > it would make any difference. I don't have any of the issues you're > describing with mail, and haven't tried to play with > saphari yet, but this start-up stuff really needs to get figured out. > I've also discovered that VO doesn't tell me whether or not trackpad > commander is on. I don't use it much, but like to > practice from time to time, and either I'm not doing the jesture right to > enable it, or something else is going on, but VO > never really says one way or the other what its status is. > As I posted earlier, I'm not necessarily saying I regret updating right away, > but there is that little part of my brain > that's yelling "I told you you should have waited." LOL! > Anyway, it's a learning adventure, that's for sure! > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Shen > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 2:37 PM > To: macvisionaries > Subject: Wow, what's up with Lion! > > OK, here are just a few of my impressions. Most of them come from the > way I use Mac, so a lot of them are personalized and most habitual. So > I am sure there is room for improvements in both Lion and my habits. > > First, has anyone noticed that VoiceOver no longer speaks the welcome > message? Ever? After installing Lion, I have yet to hear VoiceOver > speak the welcome message once. And this is after restarting, or > turning off then on the Mac at least a dozen times. I know this > because half the time, after logging in, VoiceOver is dead silent, it > doesn't say anything. The other h50 percent of the time, it says > "com.apple.dock.extras". > So what is "com.apple.dock.extras"? > Why can't the focus go to the desktop like Snow Leopard used to? OK, > so we can press VO-Shift-D, or command-Tab to go to the desktop. But > why do that when Snow Leopard used to put you right there after > logging in? This seems like such a weird behavior. > > My second observation is that the entire system seems to run a little > slower than it used to. I don't know if this is because I updated Snow > Leopard to Lion. Will my system run more smoothly if I installed Lion > from a clean install? > This is not Windows, this is Mac. Does it really make that much of a > difference? If so, why would Apple make us update instead of providing > a dvd for clean installs? If I were a betting man, I'd bet that even > on a clean install, my system would run more or less about the same. > The other major issue is Mail. > For example, Mail has turned into a waiting game instead of the snappy > fast response it used to be. Now when I press up or down arrow keys to > scroll through the message list, every few times, Mail would say "Mail > busy" and take about 2 seconds before reading me the email message. > This has never happened in Snow Leopard. > > The other issue I have is the download window in Safari. In Snow > Leopard, it used to be that when you click on a link to download > something, a second window pops up and you can immediately see what > you are downloading. Now with Lion, you have to move from the html > content, move to the toolbar, interact with it, find the download > button, click it, then you can see the downoad progress. > This may be better for a visual user. But for a VoiceOver user, it has > gone from a window that pops up automatically, to forcing the user to > navigate to find out the info. > I'm starting to see a trend that things may be accessible, but not > necessarily user friendly. Apple may be good at making sure things are > accessible with VoiceOver, but not necessarily user friendly. > > > > > > > > -- > Shen > goalb...@gmail.com > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >
Re: Spotlight searching in lion?
Hi, Odd, I can do spotlight searches without any problems on Lion. cmd-space works the same way it always has. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:45 AM, Ashley Cox wrote: > Hey all, > just tried to do a spotlight search in lion. I hit cmd space, and it told me > something about spotlight helping me find files on my computer, but there is > no search box. > anybody have any idea how to search in lion? > > ash > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Turning vo on and off in lion problem?
Very odd. Are you typing this with VO off? I'm surprised it isn't working, either cmd-f5 or fn-cmd-f5 should have worked. I've never ran into a situation where they don't. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:56 AM, Quinn Haberl wrote: > No luck, command fn f5 did not do it. > On Jul 21, 11:50 am, Zachary Kline wrote: >> Hi, >> Did you try fn-cmd-f5? WHen I first installed Lion I had to re-toggle the >> keyboard preference about using function keys for hardware functions. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Quinn Haberl wrote: >> >> >> >>> How do you turn voiceover on and off in lion? I has set vo #2 as a >>> custom hotkey to toggle vo on and off now vo #2 or command f5 will not >>> do it. >> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group >>> athttp://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Turning vo on and off in lion problem?
Hi, Did you try fn-cmd-f5? WHen I first installed Lion I had to re-toggle the keyboard preference about using function keys for hardware functions. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:46 AM, Quinn Haberl wrote: > How do you turn voiceover on and off in lion? I has set vo #2 as a > custom hotkey to toggle vo on and off now vo #2 or command f5 will not > do it. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: any way to get voiceover to stop saying link all the time now?
Hi Chris, I believe you might have set the option in the text tab of Verbosity settings to play a tone when encountering a link. That option still exists, and in my case is set to "speak Link." Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:20 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote: > Hmmm, in sl, I would get a sound affect but the word link was never spoken. > I would like to have the ability to have it not say link in a read to end > for example when I'm reading a news story so that it wouldn't interrupt the > flow of the story. Weird that it didn't do it for me before but it did for > you. Maybe my macbook is possessed? lol. > Chris Westbrook > > > > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 12:16 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> Am I missing something? I would always rather have VoiceOver tell me where >> a link is rather than not. It always did with SL, and I've found the same >> to be true in Lion. >> Clarification would be appreciated. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote: >> >>> In safari and webkit, even when doing a say all, voiceover now feels the >>> need to say link after everything that is a link. I can't seem to turn >>> this off in verbosity settings. Has anyone else fixed this at all or is >>> this something I'll have to live with? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: any way to get voiceover to stop saying link all the time now?
Hi Chris, Am I missing something? I would always rather have VoiceOver tell me where a link is rather than not. It always did with SL, and I've found the same to be true in Lion. Clarification would be appreciated. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote: > In safari and webkit, even when doing a say all, voiceover now feels the need > to say link after everything that is a link. I can't seem to turn this off > in verbosity settings. Has anyone else fixed this at all or is this > something I'll have to live with? > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Launchpad
Hi, THe Dock itself has some improvements in Lion as well, such as the reading of iOS-like badges and access to stacks in other modes than simply via a menu. I highly recommend it. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:32 AM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > I'm inclined simply to use the dock instead of the launchpad, but I may still > explore it and see how it works. > > Teresa > On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:18 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: > >> Ok, pardon my total and utter ignorance here, but are we *really* supposed >> to be able to move applications around? After all, they are all placed in >> the same folder and the launch pad should reflect that folder, right? Or is >> there something obvious i have missed as usual? >> /Krister >> 21 jul 2011 kl. 16:00 skrev Ronald McEwan: >> >>> That was one persons oppinion. I just turned on track commander, don't >>> usually have it on, and went to LaunchPad. I was able to move around with >>> my finger finding the app I wanted to launch and then double tab. It >>> worked just fine. >>> >>> >>> In the Journey, >>> >>> Ron >>> >>> On Jul 21, 2011, at 7:57 AM, Mary Otten wrote: >>> Daniel, There was a post on this list from someone who said that launchpad doesn't seem to be a very useful tool for blind folks, and then he detailed some of his reasons. Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi Donna, This is one area where the new VO drag and drop feature comes in handy. What you can do is select a mailbox in the sidebar--note that you may need to interact with it in order to do this, and hit vo-comma. That marks an item for drag and drop. Then you interact the favorites bar and decide where you want it, and hit vo-period. As an added bonus, you can use cmcd-1, cmd2-, etc. to go to the first, second, etc. items in the bar. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:43 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Basically, mailboxes like inbox, drafts, sent are already there. But for > that to be a useful feature, there needs to be a way to add user-created > mailboxes that one uses frequently. That's what I'm not finding. > Best, > Donna > > On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:34 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > >> Yeah, Zack, please do, as I'm just not getting it. Like I said, I know >> there's a button under there to hid/show your mailbox list, but as for the >> other two check boxes, I'm not quite following what that's supposed to do. >> >> Chris. >> >> - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" >> To: >> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:42 PM >> Subject: Re: one more bad thing in mail >> >> >> Hi, >> I think there's a new concept of favorite mailboxes, but haven't explored it >> thoroughly yet. I'll let you know if I figure more out. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> The only way I could see my personal mailboxes was to switch back to >>> classic view. >>> Cheers, >>> Donna >>> Donna Goodin, M.A., Ph.D. >>> Dissertation and Career Coach >>> Phone: 734-506-8579 >>> Email: do...@yourdonedissertation.com >>> do...@idealpathcoaching.com >>> Web: httP://www.yourdonedissertation.com >>> http://www.idealpathcoaching.com >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. >>>> You can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with >>>>> the mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to >>>>> the message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do >>>>> that anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble >>>>> some, and I liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 >>>>> tables, guess I got to get use to it. >>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's in the view menu. >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>>>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? >>>>>>>> For instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there >>>>>>>> are unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>>>>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>>>>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing >>>>>>>> preferences, if you feel so inclined. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi CHris, I think calling them checkboxes is a bit of a misnomer. They really let you quickly jump between mailboxes. Notice that when you have a draft in progress, the drafts mailbox is also listed there. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > What exactly is this new favorites bar thing supposed to do. I fiddled with > it a bit and I see the check boxes for inbox, and for sent items, but nothing > apparet is seeming to really happen when I check/uncheck these items. > > Chris. > > - Original Message - From: "Zachary Kline" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:30 PM > Subject: Re: one more bad thing in mail > > > Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. You > can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with the >> mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to the >> message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do that >> anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble some, and I >> liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 tables, guess I got >> to get use to it. >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> Sent from my IMac >> >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> It's in the view menu. >>> Donna >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>> >>>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>>> Kliphton SR >>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>> Sent from my IMac >>>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? For >>>>> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are >>>>> unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, >>>>> if you feel so inclined. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Zack. >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Dona, >>>>>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>>>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>>>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>>>>> information. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status >>>>>>>>> just fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my >>>>>>>>> preview pane set up. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed >>>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- &
Re: performance issues in Mail being reported - wide spread?
Hi Chris, I can't speak to iTunes 10.4, seeing as I'm in the iOS 5 beta and thus using 10.5. I noticed sluggishness in the early 10.5 beta which was fixed in a subsequent release, so would expect this to also go away in time on the normal track too. In the meantime, I search for things to narrow them down as a matter of course, so don't have issues anyway. Best, Zack. On Jul 21, 2011, at 5:30 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > I was going to start another thread, but seeing you mention about > sluggishness, I figured I'd go 'head and chime in. > > I hate! the new ITunes! May I add, I hate! the new ITunes, and oh, did I > mention by chance? I hate! the new ITunes! I have probably about 12 > thousand tracks all total in my library. It's fine both in grid and list > view if I search for things in the library, and narrow down my search, but if > I have it populating in list view all 12 something odd thousand of my tracks, > I think even in grid view, ITunes just sits there and hangs busy busy busy > until I tab, notice I didn't say vo away, I said quote: tab! away from the > table/grid. So, yeah, I don't think this is just! a Mail thing. I'm seeing > sluggishness here as well. NOrmally it seems way more fast and snappy than > SL did, but not? in thi9s case, that's for sure! > > Has anyone else in ITunes noticed this, yet? > > Chris. > > - Original Message - > From: Jeff Bishop > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 5:19 PM > Subject: performance issues in Mail being reported - wide spread? > > Hello, > > People on Twitter are reporting major sluggishness issues in Mail and other > areas. Are others seeing this? I upgraded this morning but then had to go to > work so will play later this evening. I am just curious what others are > seeing pertaining to this? > > Jeff > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Mail Impressions in Lion
Hi All, I wanted to give my impressions of the new OS X Mail, which I'm slowly coming to grips with. I've decided to force myself to use it in the new layout, and have actually had some success with it. To begin with, the VoiceOver Getting started guide suggests using it with the VO cursor, and I have to agree. Doing it this way seems to be quite fast, and is working quite well for me. You can jump quickly between the table of messages and the message proper with vo-j. Conversations can either be expanded or not, depending on whether you need to work with the individual messages in them. By default it seems the focus is on the first unread message of every conversation, and they are displayed in reverse-chronological order, which makes sense to me as you're likely to be concerned with the recent messages over the older ones. Attachments work pretty much as they always have. You'll find a popup button in the message headers allowing you to save them, and a Quick-look button allowing you to preview them. This all requires the VO cursor for navigation, of course, but thus far I've had no real problems with it and in fact it is quite similar to how I used mail in SL. I hope you all give the new Mail a chance to work as intended before immediately jumping into the classic layout, as effective as that still is. Best, Zack. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Am I crazy, or is there now no way to view an attachment in mail?
Hi Dona, The Mail app actually has some fairly detailed help on this subject, under the receiving messages section. There are multiple ways to view and save attachments described in there. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > OK, so I have another gripe with the new mail. It appears that there is no > way to view a pdf other than Quicklook. The context menu is no longer there, > and the only way I can open a PDF is with quick look. There is no other > option for opening a PDF attachment. > > I hate to be a naysayer, but for those of you who have not yet upgraded, > stick with SL. I'm actually thinking about restoring my SL backup, I > dislike Lion so much at this point. > Best, > Donna > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: additional voices?
Hi, You're probably just unaware of which popup we're talking about. THe one we refer to is bethe one where you select your default voice, underneath the "Voice" label in the Speech section. At the bottom of that menu will be a Customize item which you select. In that dialog which will appear you'll find a table of voices. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:26 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > I still can't find the other voices, no pop up menu is appearing when I go > to the voices tab in voice over utilities. What am I missing here? > > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians > Sent From my Imac > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ricardo Walker > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 7:11 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: The lion sleeps tonight > > Hi, > > If your a voiceover user, its a great deal for $30 in my opinion. We now > have 1 letter navigation in the web browser, profiles you can set up for > different apps. A boat load of new high quality voices for no extra charge. > And I'm sure I'm missing some new features. I can't see any reason not to > upgrade unless there is some important app you use that is not Lion > compatible. > On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:40 PM, Brian Miller wrote: > >> I haven't seen anyone say one way or the other whether or not one >> ought to download and install Lion... Can we be certain it is the best >> thing for those of us who use Voice Over? What are the changes? What >> are the benefits? >> >> I'm a little reluctant to just download Lion because it is there. >> >> What happens if I don't download it? >> >> Brian Miller >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: ICloud?
Hi, iCloud is not yet ready for prime time. It will be released in the fall, presumably along with iOS 5. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Matthew Campbell wrote: > Hi. > It will be free accept that it's not out yet. It won't be out until the fall. > > On 2011-07-20, at 7:42 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Okay, when I bought my Mac back in june. The store rep told me that ICloud >> would be free for all those who bought lion. Is this true, and if so how do >> you set it up? Thanks. >> >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> Sent from my IMac >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: conversations in mail
Hi Chris, I believe there are shortcuts you might want to look into, such as cmd-shift-k to select all messages in a particular conversation. There are others in the View menu under the select submenu. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:14 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: > Yea I see that now. It just seems weird that you have to deal with each > message individually and there is no way to see all messages at once easily. > Just have to get used to the new way of doing things. > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> By default, conversations are sorted in reverse chronological order, newest >> message first. You can change this in the View menu I believe. I use left >> and right arrow to open and close conversations. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: >> >>> This whole conversation business in mail doesn't seem to make sense >>> anymore. It used to be that when I hit enter on a conversation all the >>> messages would open up and I could just delete them one by one and here the >>> next message. Now when I hit enter it just seems to read the last one. I >>> know I can do vo+space and read each message individually, but that seems >>> like more of a pain. am I missing something? Guess I could go back to >>> classic layout, but would like to at least learn the new interface since >>> I'm sure that will be taken away at some point. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi, It sounds as if you're using QuickNav mode. I don't do that in Mail myself. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:55 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Also, arrowing to the right does not open my conversations. Hitting up and > down arrow together does. > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > Sent from my IMac > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> I imagine it's a per mailbox setting. I wouldn't know, since I don't use >> mailboxes all that much. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> Strange thing is happening, in my in box the messages are being shown by >>> conversation, but in my >>> other mailboxes they are not. Any idea why? >>> Kliphton SR >>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>> Sent from my IMac >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> There's a favorites bar above the messages column you can investigate. >>>> There's a button to let you show or hide the mailbox list. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> How is this done? >>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. >>>>>> You can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with >>>>>>> the mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to >>>>>>> the message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do >>>>>>> that anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble >>>>>>> some, and I liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 >>>>>>> tables, guess I got to get use to it. >>>>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's in the view menu. >>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>>>>>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>>>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>>>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>>>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same >>>>>>>>>> thing? For instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed >>>>>>>>>> and there are unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>>>>>>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or >>>>>>>>>> less identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing >>>>>>>>>> preferences, if you feel so inclined. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>&
Re: one more bad thing in mail
I imagine it's a per mailbox setting. I wouldn't know, since I don't use mailboxes all that much. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:47 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Strange thing is happening, in my in box the messages are being shown by > conversation, but in my > other mailboxes they are not. Any idea why? > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > Sent from my IMac > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:44 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi, >> There's a favorites bar above the messages column you can investigate. >> There's a button to let you show or hide the mailbox list. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> How is this done? >>> Kliphton SR >>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>> Sent from my IMac >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. >>>> You can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with >>>>> the mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to >>>>> the message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do >>>>> that anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble >>>>> some, and I liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 >>>>> tables, guess I got to get use to it. >>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It's in the view menu. >>>>>> Donna >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>>>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? >>>>>>>> For instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there >>>>>>>> are unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>>>>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>>>>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing >>>>>>>> preferences, if you feel so inclined. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Dona, >>>>>>>>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys >>>>>>>>>> alone, without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too >>>>>>>>>> bad. Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described >>>>>>>>>>> earlier. Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the >>>>>&g
Re: conversations in mail
Hi Chris, By default, conversations are sorted in reverse chronological order, newest message first. You can change this in the View menu I believe. I use left and right arrow to open and close conversations. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Chris Westbrook wrote: > This whole conversation business in mail doesn't seem to make sense anymore. > It used to be that when I hit enter on a conversation all the messages would > open up and I could just delete them one by one and here the next message. > Now when I hit enter it just seems to read the last one. I know I can do > vo+space and read each message individually, but that seems like more of a > pain. am I missing something? Guess I could go back to classic layout, but > would like to at least learn the new interface since I'm sure that will be > taken away at some point. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi, There's a favorites bar above the messages column you can investigate. There's a button to let you show or hide the mailbox list. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:42 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > How is this done? > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > Sent from my IMac > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. >> You can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with the >>> mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to the >>> message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do that >>> anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble some, and I >>> liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 tables, guess I got >>> to get use to it. >>> Kliphton SR >>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>> Sent from my IMac >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> It's in the view menu. >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? >>>>>> For instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are >>>>>> unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, >>>>>> if you feel so inclined. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Dona, >>>>>>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>>>>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>>>>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>>>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>>>>>> information. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status >>>>>>>>>> just fine, though the status does change because of the way I have >>>>>>>>>> my preview pane set up. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else >>>>>>>>>>> noticed this? >>>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>>
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi, I think there's a new concept of favorite mailboxes, but haven't explored it thoroughly yet. I'll let you know if I figure more out. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > The only way I could see my personal mailboxes was to switch back to classic > view. > Cheers, > Donna > Donna Goodin, M.A., Ph.D. > Dissertation and Career Coach > Phone: 734-506-8579 > Email: do...@yourdonedissertation.com > do...@idealpathcoaching.com > Web: httP://www.yourdonedissertation.com > http://www.idealpathcoaching.com > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. >> You can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with the >>> mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to the >>> message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do that >>> anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble some, and I >>> liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 tables, guess I got >>> to get use to it. >>> Kliphton SR >>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>> Sent from my IMac >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>> >>>> It's in the view menu. >>>> Donna >>>> >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >>>> >>>>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>>>> Kliphton SR >>>>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>>>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>>>> Sent from my IMac >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? >>>>>> For instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are >>>>>> unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, >>>>>> if you feel so inclined. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Dona, >>>>>>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>>>>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>>>>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>>>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>>>>>> information. >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status >>>>>>>>>> just fine, though the status does change because of the way I have >>>>>>>>>> my preview pane set up. >>>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message st
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Unless I'm missing something, by default the mailboxes column is hidden. You can restore it and then should be able to tab as usual. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:28 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Another thing that has gone away is, instead of having to interact with the > mailbox and message column, all I had to do is press tab to get to the > message list from the mailbox list, it doesn't seem to let you do that > anymore either. Interacting back and forth was kind of trouble some, and I > liked being able to tab back and forth between these 2 tables, guess I got to > get use to it. > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > Sent from my IMac > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:26 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> It's in the view menu. >> Donna >> >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: >> >>> Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? >>> Kliphton SR >>> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >>> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >>> Sent from my IMac >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi DOnna, >>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? For >>>> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are >>>> unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, >>>> if you feel so inclined. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>> >>>>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dona, >>>>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>>>> information. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just >>>>>>>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my >>>>>>>> preview pane set up. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed >>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To
Re: performance issues in Mail being reported - wide spread?
Hi Jeff, I don't know, but I doubt it's that large. All my messages are on an IMAP server, and I don't know if Mail downloads each one individually. I have around 500 in my Inbox at present. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:23 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote: > HLLF is reporting that it has to do with the size of one's mail file. Do you > have a large mail file? > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Zachary Kline > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 2:21 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: performance issues in Mail being reported - wide spread? > > Hi Jeff, > I'm not seeing any major performance issues in Mail. It seems to work quite > well, as does the whole OS. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> People on Twitter are reporting major sluggishness issues in Mail and > other areas. Are others seeing this? I upgraded this morning but then had to > go to work so will play later this evening. I am just curious what others > are seeing pertaining to this? >> >> Jeff >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi, Check out the VIew menu for all those settings. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > Where do you adjust the conversation or thread view? > Kliphton SR > (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 > (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com > Sent from my IMac > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 3:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi DOnna, >> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? For >> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are unread >> messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, if >> you feel so inclined. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Zack, >>> >>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dona, >>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>> information. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just >>>>>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview >>>>>> pane set up. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed >>>>>>> this? >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >&g
Re: performance issues in Mail being reported - wide spread?
Hi Jeff, I'm not seeing any major performance issues in Mail. It seems to work quite well, as does the whole OS. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:19 PM, Jeff Bishop wrote: > Hello, > > People on Twitter are reporting major sluggishness issues in Mail and other > areas. Are others seeing this? I upgraded this morning but then had to go to > work so will play later this evening. I am just curious what others are > seeing pertaining to this? > > Jeff > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Odd. Even when I don't view by conversation I still hear replied statuses when arrowing up and down. I imagine I'd hear unread as well. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:16 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > I'm not viewing by conversation. > Best, > Donna > > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 5:03 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi DOnna, >> I'm puzzled. I hear status just fine, whether unread or replied. I don't >> have any idea why you shouldn't. What do you hear with a closed >> conversation that has unread messages? >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Just did that. And still no status is spoken. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi DOnna, >>>> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? For >>>> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are >>>> unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >>>> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >>>> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, >>>> if you feel so inclined. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Zack, >>>>> >>>>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Dona, >>>>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>>>> information. >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just >>>>>>>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my >>>>>>>> preview pane set up. >>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>> Zack. >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed >>>>>>>>> this? >>>>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received t
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi DOnna, I'm puzzled. I hear status just fine, whether unread or replied. I don't have any idea why you shouldn't. What do you hear with a closed conversation that has unread messages? Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 2:04 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Just did that. And still no status is spoken. > Best, > Donna > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi DOnna, >> Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? For >> instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are unread >> messages I hear "unread" before opening it. >> You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less >> identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, if >> you feel so inclined. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi Zack, >>> >>> I'm doing the same thing you are. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dona, >>>> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >>>> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. >>>> Similarly, I don't interact with the list. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>>>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status >>>>> information. >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi DOnna, >>>>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just >>>>>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview >>>>>> pane set up. >>>>>> Best, >>>>>> Zack. >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed >>>>>>> this? >>>>>>> Best, >>>>>>> Donna >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi DOnna, Very odd. WHen you say "status" are we talking about the same thing? For instance, when I view this conversation if it's closed and there are unread messages I hear "unread" before opening it. You might want to switch to the classic layout, which is more or less identical to the way Mail behaved in SL. THat's in Viewing preferences, if you feel so inclined. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi Zack, > > I'm doing the same thing you are. > Best, > Donna > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:50 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Dona, >> How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, >> without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. Similarly, >> I don't interact with the list. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. >>> Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information. >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi DOnna, >>>> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just >>>> fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview >>>> pane set up. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >>>> >>>>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed this? >>>>> Best, >>>>> Donna >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi Dona, How are you moving between messages? I'm using the arrow keys alone, without the VO keys. a bit more verbose, but it isn't too bad. Similarly, I don't interact with the list. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:52 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Well, I took the preview pane down to zero as was described earlier. > Basically, I hear all the usual message info except the status information. > Best, > Donna > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 4:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi DOnna, >> Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just fine, >> though the status does change because of the way I have my preview pane set >> up. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed this? >>> Best, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: one more bad thing in mail
Hi DOnna, Can you clarify this a bit? I see unread and read message status just fine, though the status does change because of the way I have my preview pane set up. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:47 PM, Donna Goodin wrote: > VO has also stopped reading the message status. Anyone else noticed this? > Best, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: trying to download lion?
Hi, Try cmd-shift-a from the desktop, that works well enough. You can actually get to the folder from the dock too, but its' a bit complicated. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:29 PM, Tammy wrote: > What’s the best way to get to the aps folder? It’s in the doc but it appears > you can’t get there via that shortcut. > > > \Tammy > From: Zachary Kline > Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 1:41 PM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: trying to download lion? > > Hi Chris, > THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to > install the system it self-destructs. To prevent this you can quit it > initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there. > Best, > Zack. > On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > > > Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store > > actually puts the installer for Lion? What if I wanted to back the > > installer up on a dvd? Is the installer not a .app file etc? > > > > Chris > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > > > >> Hi Dona, > >> Yes, this is the what happens. You can monitor the progress of the > >> download via the purchases button in the toolbar. Also, the installer > >> will open automatically when the download finishes. > >> Best, > >> Zack. > >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > >> > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm > >>> Purchase. It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening. > >>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the > >>> info about Lion. It's been like this for about five minutes. Is this > >>> what should be happening? If not, any suggestions for next steps? > >>> TIA, > >>> Donna > >>> > >>> -- > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >>> For more options, visit this group at > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >>> > >> > >> -- > >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > >> "MacVisionaries" group. > >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > >> For more options, visit this group at > >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > >> > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: What can I do if Lion install fails?
Hi Dona, I'm not sure what is happening in your case. I didn't have an install failure, and in fact the whole process was quite seamless. I'd recommend trying again, after perhaps restoring to a known good backup of 10.6.8 if you have one, just to be sure. All I did when installing was click Continue a few times and let the mac restart, after which I could hit cmd-F5 to start VO. The installer was completely automatic, and the only thing I needed to do was hit restart at the end to finish things up. I'm sorry not to be more helpful, but I'm not sure what else to tell you as my own experience was quite dissimilar. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 11:10 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > My Lion install appears to have failed. I tried to initialize VO, since an > earlier message said that you could do this. When I did, I was taken into > the VO utilities area, and the only way I could exit it was to restart. So I > did. After a couple of go-rounds with this, my Mac rebooted, but > unfortunately it says it's running 6.8.. I went back to the App store, and > it says Lion was installed. Can anyone help? > > Meanwhile, not sure what the earlier posted was talking about, but If you try > and install Lion, DON'T TRY AND START VO! > Best, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: trying to download lion?
Hi Chris, THe installer is put in the Applications folder, but after it is used to install the system it self-destructs. To prevent this you can quit it initially with cmd-q, and you'll find it in there. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:39 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Has anyone yet been able to figure out where in the heck the app store > actually puts the installer for Lion? What if I wanted to back the installer > up on a dvd? Is the installer not a .app file etc? > > Chris > On Jul 20, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Dona, >> Yes, this is the what happens. You can monitor the progress of the download >> via the purchases button in the toolbar. Also, the installer will open >> automatically when the download finishes. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm >>> Purchase. It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening. >>> The downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info >>> about Lion. It's been like this for about five minutes. Is this what >>> should be happening? If not, any suggestions for next steps? >>> TIA, >>> Donna >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion is now on the app store
Hi Mary, Indeed it is. There is an option to use the classic layout, more or less identical to the SL way of doing things. This is in the View tab of Mail preferences. You can use VO to read only subject lines in the same way you do now. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:28 AM, Mary Otten wrote: > I haven't downloaded Lion yet. I hope there is a way to make mail act like it > did in SL with respect to how much you hear when arrowing through the > messages table. I want only the subject line. The rest is so much unwanted > chat from my point of view, slowing the speed with which one can move through > a ton of messages, many of which get deleted without reading, based on their > subject line. Is it still possible to set things up such that the column > you're on when you arrow is the only thing that is read as you move down? > > Mary > > Mary Otten > motte...@gmail.com > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: trying to download lion?
Hi Dona, Yes, this is the what happens. You can monitor the progress of the download via the purchases button in the toolbar. Also, the installer will open automatically when the download finishes. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 10:20 AM, Donna Goodin wrote: > Hi all, > > So I went to the app store, clicked to purchase Lion, and clicked Confirm > Purchase. It now says "Installing Lion", but nothing else is happening. The > downloads folder hasn't opened, and I'm still on the page with the info about > Lion. It's been like this for about five minutes. Is this what should be > happening? If not, any suggestions for next steps? > TIA, > Donna > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion is now on the app store
Hi Doug, I'm afraid you need to copy the installer out from the Applications folder before using it, as it self-destructs after use. You can quit it when it begins in order to do this, since you already have Lion up and running. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:36 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote: > The problem was I couldn't find the installer in the Applications folder. > > Doug > > On 2011-07-20, at 1:45 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Doug, >> Sadly, the fact is that you need to copy the installer to another location >> if you want to make a DVD. Yes, your machine is quite close to being done. >> Yours, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote: >> >>> Hi Zack, >>> I have downloaded the installer and it ran automatically after the download >>> finished. The problem is I'm not sure where the installer downloaded to >>> either. I looked in the Applications folder but found nothing that would >>> look like the Mac OS10 installer. I wanted to burn a DVD but looks like I'm >>> going to have to download the installer again. My mac just restarted for >>> the second time. It must be installed or close to it. >>> >>> Doug >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On 2011-07-20, at 1:31 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it >>>> finishes. >>>> Best, >>>> Zack. >>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote: >>>> >>>>> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the >>>>> moment. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi. >>>>>> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has >>>>>> gone? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under >>>>>>> status. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Original Message- >>>>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>>>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store >>>>>>> >>>>>>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Teresa >>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just >>>>>>>>> the servers that can't handle the pressure... >>>>>>>>> -David >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>
Re: lion is now on the app store
Hi Brandon, The voices download from within VoiceOver Utility, on the speech tab. THe way to do this is to find the default voice popup button and select it, then find the customize item and select that. From there, you have a table of checkboxes which you can click to select individual voices. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:27 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: > same here except i can't get the new voices to download. > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:07 PM, David Taylor wrote: > >> Replying from Lion. All is well so far. >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> On 20 Jul 2011, at 14:12, David Hole wrote: >> >>> Hi. >>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just the >>> servers that can't handle the pressure... >>> -David >>> >>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone wrote: Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought. On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch wrote: > Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: I Have Lion Running; My Impressions
Hi SHannon, When I upgraded, my messages were not lost. They are in IMAP folders, so that might have something to do with it, but I doubt it. Apple wouldn't force you to lose messages that way. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:26 AM, Shannon Dyer wrote: > So, are you saying that apple mail will need to be reset? Will messages be > lost during the upgrade? > > Shannon > Are you a fan of women's music? If so, join me each Thursday from noon until > three for the Eclectic Collection: a Celebration of Women In Music. Point > your media player to: > http://mojoradio.us/listen > or > www.mintfm.net > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: > >> hi, all, >> >> Just a word before you install an upgrade: make sure you are aware that >> speech will stop once you restart the -puter and won't restart till the VO >> updates are installed. For me, this took about forty-five minutes, then the >> -puter restarted again and VO came up speaking in the login window. >> Meanwhile, I was sweating bullets. >> >> I like Alex better; he seems to have been improved somewhat, and I can make >> his pitch lower. Mail requires setup as well if you have messages to be >> migrated. >> >> Just my preliminary impresνs here. >> >> HTH, >> Teresa >> >> Winging its way from my iPod >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion is now on the app store
Hi Doug, Sadly, the fact is that you need to copy the installer to another location if you want to make a DVD. Yes, your machine is quite close to being done. Yours, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, Doug Lawlor wrote: > Hi Zack, > I have downloaded the installer and it ran automatically after the download > finished. The problem is I'm not sure where the installer downloaded to > either. I looked in the Applications folder but found nothing that would look > like the Mac OS10 installer. I wanted to burn a DVD but looks like I'm going > to have to download the installer again. My mac just restarted for the second > time. It must be installed or close to it. > > Doug > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 2011-07-20, at 1:31 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi, >> It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it >> finishes. >> Best, >> Zack. >> On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote: >> >>> Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the >>> moment. >>> >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote: >>> >>>> Hi. >>>> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has >>>> gone? >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store >>>>> >>>>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in >>>>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading". >>>>> >>>>> Teresa >>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi. >>>>>>> Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just >>>>>>> the servers that can't handle the pressure... >>>>>>> -David >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups >>>>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>>> To post
Re: lion is now on the app store
Hi, It downloads to the Applications folder, and will begin installing once it finishes. Best, Zack. On Jul 20, 2011, at 8:36 AM, Shen wrote: > Anyone know where it is downloading to? Can't find it anywhere at the moment. > > On Jul 20, 2011, at 7:03 AM, David Hole wrote: > >> Hi. >> Now I'm also downloading :) But where can I see how far the download has >> gone? >> >> On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 16:00, Daniel Miller wrote: >>> Hi, >>> If you go to your purchase section, it will be in that table under status. >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran >>> Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 8:58 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: lion is now on the app store >>> >>> How do you get a progress bar when it's downloading? I found the entry in >>> the dock, and it simply says "OS X Lion, downloading". >>> >>> Teresa >>> On Jul 20, 2011, at 6:36 AM, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> still am downloading it. 70 something percent now. On Jul 20, 2011, at 9:12 AM, David Hole wrote: > Hi. > Just tried to buy, but it's got unavailable :( Hopefully it's just > the servers that can't handle the pressure... > -David > > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 15:06, James Malone wrote: >> Yep, sure is! A lot sooner than I would have thought. >> >> On 7/20/11, Brandon Misch wrote: >>> Hey guys i just looked at the app store and lion is now out. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to mac
Re: right clicking?
Hi, You can also do what a sighted person would and hit ctrl while tapping the trackpad or mouse button. I do this occasionally and it seems to work, along with option-clicking, which is sometimes necessary. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 9:04 PM, Brandon Olivares wrote: > Hi, > > I think VO+Shift+M is the best way. > > Brandon > > www.christs-light-ministries.org > > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:45 PM, Kliph&Sharrie wrote: > >> Hello, how do you right click with VO? >> >> Kliphton SR >> (twitter) http://twitter.com/kliphton72 >> (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com >> (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians >> Sent From my Imac >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi Chris, In that case, move over to the date received column and press vo-vertical bar one time. It should say "sort down, Date", and you will magically find your messages sorted in reverse chronological order. Repeat this to reverse the sort. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 12:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > Let me expand on your comment with Mail. Right now, it's putting my most > recent messages at the bottom of my mail list table. If I want that reversed > so that the most recent e-mails are at the top, then, how do I do that? > > Chris. > > On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:51 PM, Zachary Kline wrote: > >> Hi Chris, >> When in a table, investigate single and double presses of vo-c and vo-r. >> Those will read you the sorts of information you're requesting, I think. >> THe only really clever things I can think of involving tables are for tables >> in OS X in general. You can use vo-cmd-backslash to move to the parent row >> of something, i.e., in the services table where there are tons of tables >> with collapsable headings. Similarly, in Mail or indeed a lot of >> applications, use vo-vertical bar to sort a able by a specific column, or >> twice to reverse the sort order. >> Hope this helps, >> Zack. >> On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: >> >>> OK, two questions: >>> >>> Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the >>> column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, >>> say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I >>> while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being >>> City, without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the >>> column to see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? >>> >>> I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. >>> Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? >>> >>> Chris. >>> On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: >>> >>>> Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to >>>> put it in first to do this table navigation? >>>> I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. >>>> Thanks! >>>> >>>> On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann wrote: >>>>> Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. >>>>> You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and >>>>> next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right >>>>> Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move >>>>> up or down. >>>>> Let me know if you have any questions. >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> Original message: >>>>>> Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air >>>>>> on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so >>>>>> different, >>>>>> now to my question. >>>>>> How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be >>>>>> able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like >>>>>> you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and >>>>>> still don't get it!! >>>>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated . >>>>>> Thanks in advance! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Angie Giltinan >>>>> >>>>>> John 8 31 and 32 >>>>>> 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my >>>>>> disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know >>>>>> the truth, and the truth will set you free." >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Emai
Re: navigating tables on the web with my new mac
Hi Chris, When in a table, investigate single and double presses of vo-c and vo-r. Those will read you the sorts of information you're requesting, I think. THe only really clever things I can think of involving tables are for tables in OS X in general. You can use vo-cmd-backslash to move to the parent row of something, i.e., in the services table where there are tons of tables with collapsable headings. Similarly, in Mail or indeed a lot of applications, use vo-vertical bar to sort a able by a specific column, or twice to reverse the sort order. Hope this helps, Zack. On Jul 19, 2011, at 11:43 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote: > OK, two questions: > > Is there a way regardless the row in the table that I'm on, to read the > column header? Say I had a table with two columns. City and state. Now, > say I was on the second row in that table and was on Charlotte. Could I > while on that second row hit something to see the column header, being City, > without having to vo+up arrow all the way back to the top of the column to > see? Also isn't it vo+R to read the entire row in the table? > > I know that vo+command+T and shift T move forward and back table by table. > Is there anything else neet I need to know I can do in Safari with tables? > > Chris. > On Jul 19, 2011, at 1:48 PM, Angie Giltinan wrote: > >> Ok, I tried that, but it didn't work, is there some kind of mode to >> put it in first to do this table navigation? >> I'm on a web site when I want to navigate these tables. >> Thanks! >> >> On 7/19/11, Ryan Mann wrote: >>> Hello. You use Control+Option+Left or Right Arrow to move by column. >>> You use Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move to the previous and >>> next row. To put it another way, you use Control+Option+Left or Right >>> Arrow to move left or right and Control+Option+Up or Down Arrow to move >>> up or down. >>> Let me know if you have any questions. >>> Ryan >>> >>> Original message: Good morning all, Angie here, I just got my new beautiful mac book air on friday, I was, and still am a JAWS user, so the mac is so different, now to my question. How in the world does one navigate tables with VO? What I want to be able to do is move from cell to cell, up down, left and right, like you can with JAWS. I've read the help topic on this like 4 times, and still don't get it!! Any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance! >>> >>> -- Angie Giltinan >>> John 8 31 and 32 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." >>> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> -- >>> Email services provided by the System Access Mobile Network. Visit >>> www.serotek.com to learn more about accessibility anywhere. >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "MacVisionaries" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Angie Giltinan >> >> John 8 31 and 32 >> 31 Jesus said to the people who believed in him, You are truly my >> disciples if you remain faithful to my teachings. 32 And you will know >> the truth, and the truth will set you free." >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at ht
