Re: A Question About Spam Calendar Event Invitations

[gs]

I have pasted the entire contents of an article that addresses this below:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/25/technology/personaltech/fighting-ios-calendar-spam.html
 


Fighting iOS Calendar Spam
By  J. D. BIERSDORFER  NOV. 25, 2016
Q. I have been getting spam invitations to my iOS calendar recently. They come 
from Chinese accounts and their subjects are for super-discounted Ray-Bans and 
the like. Is there any solution to this?

A. Many iCloud users have recently reported an influx of spam 
 in the 
form of iOS calendar events  
and iCloud Photo Sharing  
invitations. While the delivery mechanism is different, the calendar and 
photo-sharing invitations traffic in the same old suspect offers for cheap 
goods as the junk mail and text messages that came before. Unlike those older 
forms of spam, which can be filtered, blocked or deleted, invitation spam 
usually offers Accept, Decline (or Maybe) as your options — all of which notify 
the spammer that your account is live and ready for more unsolicited offers.

While an Ignore button is currently not available so you can quietly bury these 
unwanted invitations, dedicated users have come up with least two workarounds 

 for the calendar garbage. (For the junk photo-sharing offers, turning off the 
iCloud Photo Sharing feature in your iOS Photos & Camera or iCloud settings 
 seems to be the only 
avoidance option at the moment.)

To ditch calendar spam 
 
you have already received, open the Calendar app, tap the Calendars button at 
the bottom of the screen and then tap the Edit button. On the next screen, 
select the Add Calendars option and give the new calendar a name like Spam, 
Junk or something therapeutically snarky. Tap the Done button at the top of the 
screen a few times until you arrive back on the Calendar screen.

Select the spam invitation and move it to the new calendar you just made, and 
then repeat the steps for all the unwanted invitations. When you are done, tap 
the Calendars button at the bottom of the screen. Tap the lowercase “i” icon 
next to the spam calendar, and on the next screen, swipe down and tap Delete 
Calendar to flush the added spam without responding to it.

To make the spam invitations go to your iCloud mail 
 — where they can be filtered 
or deleted more easily — instead of going right to your calendar, log onto your 
iCloud account on the web. Open the Calendar app, click the gear-shaped 
Settings icon in the lower-left corner and choose Preferences. In the 
Preferences box, click the Advanced tab, and under Invitations, click the 
button to have all calendar invitations go to your email account instead of 
your calendar. Click the Save button before you leave the screen.

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Re: Trying this again. Wanting to install windows in a boot camp partition from a vm. Can this be done without sited help.

[gs]

When I first started using a Mac in 2013, I used bootcamp and created a VM from 
it. Shortly afterward, I moved away from this configuration due to a space 
consideration-I have a 256 GB SSD. However, if I had it to do over again, I 
would have stayed with both as it allows more flexibility. I did not have any 
problems with the exception of having to license multiple installations of some 
software, including JAWS, at that time. Also, there was an issue when VMWare 
updated some drivers which resulted in a problem whose details I cannot recall. 
I was using VMWare Fusion 6.0.


On Nov 21, 2016, at 5:45 AM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi Matthew, you first need to set up Bootcamp, then you can use VMWare Fusion 
to make a virtual machine from the Bootcamp partition. I've not done this yet 
since at present my VM runs side-by-side with OS X, but I've been reading about 
this on the VMWare site recently, and it looks quite similar to setting up any 
other VM. My hunch is it's doable without sighted assistance but I don't know 
for certain.
The advantage of it is that when you are using Windows apps that are 
resource-intensive or where latency in a standard VM might be an issue, you can 
boot fully into Windows. For apps that require authorisation, it looks like you 
may need to authorise some of them twice, since effectively they're two 
different Windows machines.
Would be interesting to know how folks are getting on with this configuration.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org 
> On 21/11/2016, at 5:11 AM, matthew dyer  > wrote:
> 
> Hi all.
> 
> 
> Trying this again as my message bounced when sending this message this 
> morning.
> 
> 
> I have a windows 10 home vm which I want to use in a boot camp partition.  
> This can be done without sited help?  I was playing with the boot camp 
> assistant lastnight and found that if I have a usb drive connected it will 
> download a set of drivers for windows.  I did not see an opsion to hav e it 
> install from a vm. I am either missing something or perhaps you get the 
> opsion later in the prosses.  Anyone tred this without sited help annd how 
> did you do this.  I am using an imac 21 inch with a 1TB HD.  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Matthew
> 
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Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

Ok, Tim, I'll make an exception as is apparently frequently made here. I'll 
respond again. I agree that I expressed frustration and emotion and that it 
wasn't simply a statement of fact. It's the facts as I see them.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Tim Kilburn <kilbu...@me.com> wrote:

Hi,

I disagree.  There was not simply a statement of fact.  Read your own post to 
verify.  You expressed opinions on how you believe the List should be run.  You 
expressed emotion with respect to your frustration that the List wasn't being 
run in the manner you thought it should be.  These, again, are not facts, but 
opinions and the occasional attack on the actions, or lack of actions, of the 
Moderator.

Later...



Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Nov 10, 2016, at 15:48, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by it 
or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple statements 
of facts.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate the 
list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve around 
lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.  Sorry but I 
won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not take his duties 
seriously on this list.
> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
> value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to 
> with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
> opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase 
> in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge 
> that will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product. 
> 
> In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
> individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would 
> have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the 
> thread.
> 
> Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to 
> be fulfilled on this list at this point. 
> 
> There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
> myself.
> 
> Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
> subject.
> 
> If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.
> 
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And 
> as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. 
> There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
> relevant.
> Joseph Hudson 
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
> blind apples
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind handyman
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
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> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
>> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
>> owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the 
>> running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. 
>> Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
>> 
>> 
>> It's pathetic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
>> You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk 
>> like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>&

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

Increment the count. It took a while for me to respond at all. Now I'll respond 
to any of them. You've done so yourself. The point is that this list is not 
being run correctly and I would usually honor the owner/moderator requests to 
leave these posts off the lists. I'm tired of it. If I am removed then so be 
it. If this is what it takes to get some attention than I'll endure the 
consequences. BTW: this is the last response to the list. I feel that by this 
time I have made the point if it is to be made.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:52 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

By my count, this is at least your fourth message about the off-topic messages 
on this list. Seems a tad ironic to me. Bet you respond publically to this one 
too.



On 11/10/2016 04:48 PM, gs wrote:
> Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
> involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by 
> it or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple 
> statements of facts.
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate the 
> list. Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve 
> around lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.  Sorry 
> but I won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not take his 
> duties seriously on this list.
>> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
>> value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to 
>> with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
>> opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase 
>> in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical 
>> knowledge that will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product.
>> 
>> In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
>> individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would 
>> have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the 
>> thread.
>> 
>> Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to 
>> be fulfilled on this list at this point.
>> 
>> There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
>> myself.
>> 
>> Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
>> subject.
>> 
>> If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And 
>> as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. 
>> There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
>> relevant.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>> chat
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> 
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7...@yahoo.com
>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
>>> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
>>> owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes 
>>> the running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it 
>>> either. Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> It's pathetic.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

Stand by what you want. The list reflects the results of the moderator's 
involvement. Rather silly to post something like this. Whether you stand by it 
or not, the results speak for themselves. There is no attack. simple statements 
of facts.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:

It is most unfair to attack someone who has given up his time to moderate the 
list.  Please bear in mind we all have lives and our lives do not evolve around 
lists as you don't know what priorities that person might have.  Sorry but I 
won't stand by listening to someone saying that Mark does not take his duties 
seriously on this list.
> On 10 Nov 2016, at 22:32, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
> value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to 
> with 50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
> opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase 
> in productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge 
> that will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product. 
> 
> In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some 
> individuals, some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would 
> have otherwise missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the 
> thread.
> 
> Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to 
> be fulfilled on this list at this point. 
> 
> There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
> myself.
> 
> Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org with subscribe in the 
> subject.
> 
> If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.
> 
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And 
> as far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. 
> There are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very 
> relevant.
> Joseph Hudson 
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
> blind apples
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind handyman
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
>> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
>> owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the 
>> running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. 
>> Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
>> 
>> 
>> It's pathetic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. 
>> You can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk 
>> like this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
>> Joseph Hudson 
>> Group administrator for the following
>> groups
>> chat
>> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
>> blind apples
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind square GPS
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> blind handyman
>> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
>> 
>> iPad help for the blind
>> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
>> 
>> Email
>> jhud7...@gmail.com
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
&

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

Well, I'm being very honest here. I don't have the time to do this. I really 
value this list and know that even in the threads that I eventually get to with 
50 or more messages with the predominant subject of demented political 
opinions, there might be a nugget of information that will mean an increase in 
productivity or a keystroke or an update or a piece of technical knowledge that 
will make a huge difference in the way I use an Apple product. 

In fact, I have found buried in the wordy, arrogant posts of some individuals, 
some really priceless tips for accomplishing tasks that I would have otherwise 
missed if I had not read the rest of the propaganda in the thread.

Nevertheless, the owner/moderator has a responsibility that does not seem to be 
fulfilled on this list at this point. 

There are a boat load of mailing lists but I have decided to just create one 
myself.

Send request to macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org 
<mailto:macwithvoiceover-requ...@freelists.org> with subscribe in the subject.

If it takes off that's fine. If it does not, that's fine too.

On Nov 10, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:

Well just say this much, when an issue arises, we are quick to stop it. And as 
far as traffic, we just don't have a lot of traffic going on right now. There 
are some days that are busier than others. and it's always very relevant.
Joseph Hudson 
Group administrator for the following
groups
chat
http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
blind apples
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind square GPS
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com

blind handyman
http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com

iPad help for the blind
https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind

Email
jhud7...@gmail.com
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89
facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 

FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7...@yahoo.com

> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:57 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list 
> management. Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The 
> owner shows up every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the 
> running of the list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. 
> Just run the thing correctly. It's not too much to ask.
> 
> 
> It's pathetic.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Joseph Hudson <jhud7...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> If you're looking for a group, the doesn't have stuff like this going on. You 
> can come to the group that is below in my signature. We don't have junk like 
> this going on. And not a lot of traffic either.
> Joseph Hudson 
> Group administrator for the following
> groups
> chat
> http://list.ntxability.org/mailman/listinfo/chat_list.ntxability.org
> blind apples
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindapples_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind square GPS
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindsquaregps_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> blind handyman
> http://cruising.ultragroups.com/mailman/listinfo/blindhandyman_cruising.ultragroups.com
> 
> iPad help for the blind
> https://groups.io/g/IPadhelpfortheblind
> 
> Email
> jhud7...@gmail.com
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
> facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89 
> 
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7...@yahoo.com
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day 
>> because it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If 
>> you have the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lighten up, Francis.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
>>> Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. 
>>> This should have been addressed before and you need to remove people 
>>> instead of making a generic announcement such as the one below.
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Everyone,
>>> 
>>> This thread is now considered closed.
>>> 
>>> Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to 
>>> this thread.
>>> 
>>> Thank you,
>>> 
&

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

I like a lot of traffic if it is relevant. The problem here is list management. 
Nobody seems to be dedicated enough to address the issues. The owner shows up 
every six months with some sort of apology and then cedes the running of the 
list to someone else who apparently doesn't get it either. Just run the thing 
correctly. It's not too much to ask.


It's pathetic.





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> On Nov 10, 2016, at 3:50 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day because 
> it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If you have 
> the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Lighten up, Francis.
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
>> Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. 
>> This should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead 
>> of making a generic announcement such as the one below.
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>> 
>> Everyone,
>> 
>> This thread is now considered closed.
>> 
>> Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to 
>> this thread.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
>> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
>> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Global Warming
>> 
>> Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come 
>> up with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, 
>> you prove it.
>> 
>> Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
>> successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account.
>> They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
>> from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have 
>> predicted climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by 
>> chance. These models also show that the amount of warming we have 
>> experienced cannot be accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to 
>> the greenhouse gases we have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that 
>> evidence if you insist. But, as a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me 
>> look stuff up just on the hope that I won't bother. If you really do doubt 
>> something I say, by all means challenge me to prove it.
>> But please do not waste my time.
>> On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hi Todor,
>>> Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
>>> Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
>>> Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
>>> With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" 
>>> is flawed to begin with.
>>> BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
>>> Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
>>> FYI
>>> I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
>>> At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
>>> the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
>>> Chuck
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:
>>>> 
>>>> Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere 
>

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

I waste a considerable amount of my time reviewing this list each day because 
it is a valuable resource to those who use VoiceOver on the Mac. If you have 
the time to wade through the bull, do so. I don't.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 4:47 PM, Todor Fassl <fassl@gmail.com> wrote:

Lighten up, Francis.



On 11/10/2016 03:45 PM, gs wrote:
> Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. 
> This should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead 
> of making a generic announcement such as the one below.
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
> 
> Everyone,
> 
> This thread is now considered closed.
> 
> Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to 
> this thread.
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Global Warming
> 
> Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come 
> up with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, you 
> prove it.
> 
> Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
> successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account.
> They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
> from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have predicted 
> climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by chance. These 
> models also show that the amount of warming we have experienced cannot be 
> accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases 
> we have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. 
> But, as a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on the 
> hope that I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I say, by all 
> means challenge me to prove it.
> But please do not waste my time.
> On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>> Hi Todor,
>> Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
>> Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
>> Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
>> With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
>> flawed to begin with.
>> BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
>> Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
>> FYI
>> I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
>> At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at
>> the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
>> Chuck
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
>> 
>>> Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:
>>> 
>>> Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere 
>>> cause the planet to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of 
>>> physics and can be tested experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse 
>>> Effect".
>>> 
>>> Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas 
>>> into our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the 
>>> earth's crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that 
>>> lists the top oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more 
>>> than a hundred million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred 
>>> million barrels per day. There are also millions of tons of coal and 
>>> natural gas being mined every day.
>>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
>>> /2241rank.html
>>> 
>>> Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much 
>>> effect the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those 
>>> calculations, often called climate models, are proven to be accurate 
>>> because they can predict things like droughts and floods to a degree that 
>>> cannot be accounted for by chance. And these climate models consistently 
>>> show that we have indeed put enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to 
>>> cause the planet to heat up.
>>> 
>>> Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being 
>>> caused by human activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called 
>>> "fuzzy thinking".  It's akin to a person defending themselves in court by 
>>

Re: MODERATOR NOTE: RE: Global Warming

[gs]

Hmm. Well I have contributed because the thread is split. I'm sick of it. This 
should have been addressed before and you need to remove people instead of 
making a generic announcement such as the one below.
On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:12 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Everyone,

This thread is now considered closed.  

Do not send anymore on-list posts regarding this subject or contribute to this 
thread.

Thank you,

Mark

-Original Message-
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Todor Fassl
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2016 10:59 AM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Global Warming

Well, first of all, Chuck, it's not my job to disprove every theory you come up 
with. If you want to claim global warming might be caused by volcanos, you 
prove it.

Secondly, I already indirectly answered the point you are making. All 
successful climate models do indeed take volcanic activity into account. 
 They couldn't be successful otherwise. If you insist, I can dig up articles 
from scientific journals that show that certain climate models have predicted 
climate changes to a degree that cannot be accounted for by chance. These 
models also show that the amount of warming we have experienced cannot be 
accounted for by volcanos and that it is indeed due to the greenhouse gases we 
have emitted. Now, I am willing to dig up that evidence if you insist. But, as 
a gentleman, I would hope you don't make me look stuff up just on the hope that 
I won't bother. If you really do doubt something I say, by all means challenge 
me to prove it. 
But please do not waste my time.
On 11/10/2016 12:28 PM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
> Hi Todor,
> Heres a "proverb" that applies here!
> Figures don't lie,  but liars figure!
> Do you have statistics on the average carbon out put from   a Volcano?
> With out these stats plugged into the Global Warming model the   "theory" is 
> flawed to begin with.
> BTW a Theory is a unproven fact! :)
> Unless you have that  data how can you blame carbon on man caused pollution?
> FYI
> I remember the "ice age is coming rap"
> At least with the ice age coming they could keep their "cool aid" at 
> the proper temperature! ;) Scott is absolutely correct again!
> Chuck
> 
> 
> On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Todor Fassl wrote:
> 
>> Here is the proof that global warming is being caused by human activity:
>> 
>> Fact 1. We know absolutely that certain gasses in a planet's atmosphere 
>> cause the planet to heat up. This can be explained through the laws of 
>> physics and can be tested experimentally. This is called the "Greenhouse 
>> Effect".
>> 
>> Fact 2. We know that humans have put an enormous amount of greenhouse gas 
>> into our planet's atmosphere. This is carbon that has been locked up in the 
>> earth's crust for millions of years. Here is a link to a web page that lists 
>> the top oil producing countries. I am going to say it adds up to more than a 
>> hundred million barrels of oil per day. That's right -- a hundred million 
>> barrels per day. There are also millions of tons of coal and natural gas 
>> being mined every day.
>> https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder
>> /2241rank.html
>> 
>> Fact 3. Many scientists from all over the world have calculated how much 
>> effect the greenhouse gases we have emitted would have.  Those calculations, 
>> often called climate models, are proven to be accurate because they can 
>> predict things like droughts and floods to a degree that cannot be accounted 
>> for by chance. And these climate models consistently show that we have 
>> indeed put enough greenhouse gas into our atmosphere to cause the planet to 
>> heat up.
>> 
>> Now, those 3 facts taken together *prove* that global warming is being 
>> caused by human activity. This stuff about volcanos is what is called "fuzzy 
>> thinking".  It's akin to a person defending themselves in court by saying 
>> the police can't prove that the guy he shot didn't just happen to drop dead 
>> from some other reason right before the bullet hit him.  It is not my job to 
>> disprove every lame idea a skeptic might propose. The 3 facts  I gave above 
>> prove that global warming is being caused by humans. Where is the flaw?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/10/2016 10:46 AM, CHUCK REICHEL wrote:
>>> Hi Scott,
>>> Your absolutely 100% correct again!
>>> Heres just 1 thing that blows "climate change" formally known as "global 
>>> warming"  out of the water!
>>> How much carbon does a average volcano spew out in just 1 major eruption?
>>> Can anybody stop a volcano from erupting?
>>> My Daughter who holds a "Ph.D. in Applied Physics: could shed some 
>>> more light on this but at this point the only thing that would keep 
>>> this on topic is that She uses a Mac book pro! LOL Talk soon Chuck
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 11:35 AM, Scott Granados wrote:
>>> 
 Who boy we should move this over to the off topic list 

Re: Get out there and vote everyone!

[gs]

I'm glad I have a convenient mechanism to delete an entire thread. It's obvious 
that we have no moderator. It would be hilarious if the supposed moderator 
finally responds to me, after all the other crap that has been disseminated 
here.

It's quite pathetic to allow this to continue. Why not just do what has been 
threatened and remove people from the list? It's quite intolerable that this 
list is allowed to degrade to a discussion of American politics from the 
perspective of a bunch of losers who apparently are about to make it into a 
religious debate. Religion and/or politics ha's/have no place here. Either give 
up your position as moderator or do your job. I'm sick of it.

Feel free to remove me from the list as an example of what not to send. It will 
save me the keystrokes to remove myself.

If you're too incompetent to monitor this list and take decisive action on a 
daily basis, get someone else to do it.



On Nov 10, 2016, at 2:44 PM, David Chittenden  wrote:

Which God's word did you put 30 years into researching?

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 11/11/2016, at 08:33, CHUCK REICHEL  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi ET!
> as for global warming don't forget the definition of true science ;
> the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of 
> the structure and behavior of the physical and natural world through 
> observation and  experiment :  the world of science and technology.
> So GW is just a theory!
> 
> as for your BIBLE comment;
> I've put 30 years in to researching GOD'S word.
> How may years have you put in?
> I don't think you want to go there!
> So lets keep it on the off topic on the topic going on!
> Remember theres no Kool Aid" without H2O! LOL
> PS any time you want to discuss in person you have my phone # I'd be glad to 
> talk in person! :)
> Chuck
> 
>> On Nov 10, 2016, at 1:49 PM, E.T. wrote:
>> 
>> Yes but there is also the gatherings of people everywhere which allows for 
>> sharing of information. And always, the "campfire story telling" plays here 
>> too. What one hears from someone who heard from someone The final story 
>> may bear little resemblance to the original. The bible is such an example of 
>> this principle.
>> 
>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>> Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>> 
>>> On 11/10/2016 10:42 AM, Karen Lewellen wrote:
>>> Actually you might be surprised.
>>> there are still some  significant parts of the u. s. where  high speed
>>> cannot exist due to physical reasons.  further the cost for internet in
>>> the states is far higher than in most developing countries.
>>> What you state about the issues with Internet  factual levels is of
>>> course a fine point, nothing  prevents  a person from posting whatever
>>> they like on the web..i. e. President Obama is a Muslim.
>>> Still traditional sources of information  remain,  radio, television,
>>> newspapers, etc.
>>> One can if one wishes become informed  about issues and make decisions
>>> by voting.
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, 10 Nov 2016, E.T. wrote:
 
 Not at all, and I do not believe that most people do not have access
 to technology.
 
 From E.T.'s Keyboard...
 Without H2O there is no life!
 ancient.ali...@icloud.com
 
> On 11/10/2016 10:29 AM, Robin wrote:
> Have you ForGotten Not EveryOne is TechSavy or Knowledgeable about
> Technology or Has Access to Technology given Their FinancialStatus
> That's All I'm going to Say
> At 09:55 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote:
>>   There is an endless number of sources. Social media, Youtube, and
>> the like, are some good propaganda mills. Its so very easy these days
>> to put out misinformation. Same applies to religious propaganda too.
>>> From E.T.'s Keyboard...
>>  Without H2O there is no life!
>> ancient.ali...@icloud.com
>>> On 11/10/2016 9:39 AM, Robin wrote:
>>> Not All Eligible Voters have Access to TheInformation
>>> People can only make Decisions based on TheInformation they are
>>> presented with & either SearchOut MoreInformation
>>> &
>>> they also have to LiveWith TheConsequences of TheirDecisions
>>> At 08:07 AM 11/10/2016, you wrote:
 Google can tell you stuff like this, you know.
>>> I've been saying that if you haven't educated yourself
> about the
 issues, you should not vote. But part of the point here is
> that it's
 really not that hard to do a little research.  Get into the
> habit of
 catching yourself saying, "I heard this" or "I think it's like
 that."
 When that happens, google it and make sure.
>>> I know people are going to say there is so much
> misinformation out
 there on the internet. And it's true, you do have to be a little
 careful. Do not believe any one 

Re: Radium

[gs]

The only reason I continue to use Radium is that it syncs through iCloud and is 
usable on both the Mac and iPhone. I may be moving back to a PC due to 
dissatisfaction with the new Macbook hardware. If I do that I will likely 
abandon Radium since I'm really depending more and more on Tunein Premium. 
Also, Radium isn't as accessible as I would like on the iPhone or the Mac. It 
is difficult to re-order stations on the iPhone and all stations in one list 
doesn't excite me either. I have enjoyed Radium but was hoping that further 
development would result in added features and enhanced accessibility on both 
the Mac and iOS. If that is not going to happen, I probably will just move 
toward Tunein since it is possible to use a Web interface that will work on 
most any OS.
On Nov 3, 2016, at 7:49 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

I got a response to my email to the folks at radium regarding the recent 
message that the app needs to be updated for iOS 10, and it is not good news. 
Radium, they informed me, is no longer being developed. They did say they are 
maintaining their database. They did not specify that it was only the iPhone 
app that was not being developed. My question was about that app, but they said 
nothing at all about the Mac app, no distinction was drawn between the iPhone 
app being developed or not and the Mac app being developed or not. Therefore, I 
think it means radium development is not happening on any front. Too bad, as it 
was a great app but will undoubtedly come up not working at all sooner or later.
Mary


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Re: What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event | AppleVis

[gs]

I care about access to the function keys in general and not just what currently 
happens when one presses Command F5. I use the function keys for adjusting 
screen brightness and volume, etc. I wonder how all the other items currently 
available via the function keys will be handled?

On Oct 28, 2016, at 6:37 AM, Brandt Steenkamp  
wrote:

There we go,

Triple-tapping power sounds like the most consistent and logical way to go.

Holding command down and tapping the touch bar also sounds okay, but not like 
something apple would do.

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> On 28 Oct 2016, at 11:21 AM, Ray Foret jr  > wrote:
> 
> IF Apple is truly going for consistancy, I have a feeling I know how we will 
> turn on Voice Over with the new touch bar.  I don’t know this for sure:  but, 
> I’d be willing to guess that to turn on Voice Over, you simply touch or press 
> the power button three times quickly if Voice Over is off.  OF course, you 
> might be able to do it with Siri, or, here’s another guess:  press the 
> command key and anywhere on the touch bar.  IF voice Over is off, it will 
> know that you are trying to turn on Voice Over.  My best guess, however, 
> would be to quickly touch the power button three times.  Makes the most sense 
> and keeps things logical and easy.
> 
> 
>> On Oct 28, 2016, at 2:01 AM, christopher hallsworth > > wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-apple-tv-news/what-we-got-apples-october-2016-event#comment-form
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> What We Got from Apple's October 2016 Event
>>> Submitted by mehgcap on 27 October, 2016 - 16:28 and last modified on 27 
>>> October, 2016 - 19:18
>>> 
>>>  
>>> Hello Again
>>> 
>>> Today, Apple held a press event it called "Hello Again". The company 
>>> announced a new accessibility website, a new Apple TV feature, and a 
>>> long-awaited update to its MacBook computers. It may have missed the 
>>> back-to-school shoppers, but today's announcements arrive just in time for 
>>> the holiday shopping frenzy. There are some major changes to the MacBook 
>>> line-up on the way, and while much of what you're about to read is awesome, 
>>> you may not like all of it. But there's a great deal to like about the 
>>> latest offerings from Apple, and I yell at articles to quit rambling in 
>>> their intros and get on with it just as much as you do, so let's get on 
>>> with it!
>>> 
>>> Accessibility Kick-Off
>>> 
>>> To my surprise, Apple started the presentation with a video highlighting 
>>> accessibility features of its products. This led to Tim Cook's announcing a 
>>> "whole new website" focused on Apple's accessibility efforts. As of the 
>>> time of this writing, we haven't had a chance to fully explore this new 
>>> website , but it's always great to see 
>>> the spotlight shown on all the work Apple does to make their devices as 
>>> usable, to as many people, as they can. It’s also great to see that the 
>>> AppleVis Community is featured on Apple’s new Accessibility Portal as 
>>> somewhere people should go to obtain more information and support. Thank 
>>> you, Apple!
>>> 
>>> Get Entertained on Apple TV
>>> 
>>> No, there's not a new Apple TV coming out, but there is a new way to find 
>>> something to watch on the box you already have. It's a new app from Apple, 
>>> called--appropriately enough--TV. Yep, just those two letters. 
>>> Interestingly, Apple offers this app on not just Apple TV, but your iOS 
>>> devices as well, letting you browse and play content on any of your 
>>> devices. But what, exactly, does the app do?
>>> 
>>> TV pulls together any shows or movies you're already watching on your video 
>>> apps, as well as offering the next or newest episodes in TV series. This 
>>> isn't just iTunes, either; it can work with ShowTime, CBS, HBO Now, and 
>>> others, which makes it simple to keep up with any entertainment you're 
>>> watching. The app also shows you your iTunes purchases or new video apps. 
>>> It can even play content without you needing to know which app the content 
>>> is in; tell Siri to play a particular show or game and that's all you need. 
>>> But don't get too excited, because while the app is free, it won't be here 
>>> until the end of the year.
>>> 
>>> Prose about the Pro
>>> 
>>> The MacBook Pro was the star of the show today. It got a major 
>>> makeover--the first since the 2013 model dropped the disk 

Beta 10.12.1

[gs]

While I do not intend to discuss specific problems with the beta here, I will 
say that I really want to go back to the release version of Sierra.


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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[gs]

This is not good news. I wonder why Readability is shutting down today? Well, 
looks like we'll have to see if Readkit releases an update.


On Sep 30, 2016, at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org> wrote:

No, in the end I resorted to sighted assistance, and it renders differently for 
everyone under Sierra, with no way to change it back. It makes using it far 
less efficient. I also note that Readability is shutting down which Readkit 
uses extensively, so unless the developer comes out with a new version, it 
might be time to go back to Vienna RSS or investigate other options.
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> On 29/09/2016, at 11:10 AM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> I was optimistic that I would get this solved. However, it is not happening 
> as of now. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
> On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Mosen <jmo...@mosen.org 
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> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
> before getting to the headline.
> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
> a way to change it back.
> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan Mosen
> Mosen Consulting
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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[gs]

I was optimistic that I would get this solved. However, it is not happening as 
of now. Has anyone else come up with a solution?
On Sep 20, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, and 
then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the source 
of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to before 
getting to the headline.
Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find a 
way to change it back.
Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
Thanks,
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
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Re: Bugs in Apple Mail with MacOS 10.12

[gs]

Confirmed the can't shift tab to mailboxes but if you shift tab once and then 
tab, you can get to the mailboxes. This saves having to forward tab so much.

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:29 AM, Grant  wrote:

Hey guys,

Wondering if you folks can confirm the following:

1. You can't Shift-Tab to the mailboxes table as it will not appear in the tab 
order. So, for instance, if you are focussed in the messages list you need to 
tab several times until you wrap back around to the mailboxes table.
2. If you are in the mailboxes table and press VO-Fn-Right Arrow (that’s 
VO-End), Mail freezes and needs to be restarted to continue using it.
3. I’ll admit I haven’t exhausted all possibilities here, but can’t change the 
contents of the favourites bar via VO’s drag and drop or via the “mouse button 
locking” method that used to work.
4. Unless you hide the favourites bar, each folder in the favourites bar now 
appears in the tab order. I’ll admit this is more of a “change in behaviour” 
than a bug.

Would love to hear your thoughts.

Thanks!

Grant

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Re: Changed VO behaviour under Sierra with ReadKit

[gs]

I am currently installing Sierra and will definitely be attempting to solve 
this shortly myself.

On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:54 PM, Jonathan Mosen  wrote:

Thanks Alex, I'll have a play. Are you using another RSS reader?
Jonathan Mosen
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> On 21/09/2016, at 1:40 PM, Alex Hall  > wrote:
> 
> I don't currently use that app, but I wonder if that table offers column 
> headers you could re-arrange? Interact with the table and hit 
> vo-shift-backslash. If VO says you're in the headers, you can try dragging 
> them around to re-order them. If that fails, my only other thought is to try 
> dragging around parts of a row in the table, or have a sighted person see if 
> headers exist that Readkit doesn't expose to VoiceOver.
>> On Sep 20, 2016, at 15:46, Jonathan Mosen > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone, the RSS reader ReadKit is one of my favourite MacOS apps.
>> Since upgrading to Sierra, VO has changed the way it speaks in the list of 
>> articles. Previously, I would hear the headline, a preview of the article, 
>> and then the source, which for me is optimal. Now though, VO is speaking the 
>> source of the article first, which is more verbiage to have to listen to 
>> before getting to the headline.
>> Have had a pretty good play with both ReadKit and VO settings but can't find 
>> a way to change it back.
>> Has anyone else seen this and found a way around it?
>> Thanks,
>> Jonathan Mosen
>> Mosen Consulting
>> Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
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Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[gs]

The provision of information is not condescending. The podcast I heard 
describing the product demonstrated that it did not identify the side of the 
street for the destination. Therefore, I concluded that it never identifies it. 
In the podcast, it was stated that the Android version of the product 
identifies the side of the street. If the iOS version also identifies it when 
possible, I will likely purchase it.



On Aug 28, 2016, at 2:32 PM, Jenine Stanley <dragonwalke...@gmail.com> wrote:

At the risk of also being condescending, I’ll chime in here. 

Nearby Explorer does identify which side of the street the destination is on if 
it can do so. There are some address schemes which do not make this possible. 
Sometimes it’s also recorded incorrectly when the mappers put in geocodes for 
things like points of interest. 

I’d wager that your other GPS solution gets it wrong at least a couple times, 
but maybe not in the immediate areas where you use it. 

to answer your question/train of thought though, Nearby Explorer does provide 
this information when possible. 
Jenine Stanley
dragonwalke...@gmail.com



> On Aug 28, 2016, at 12:40 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave 
> it at that.
> 
> Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
> the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this 
> unless it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, 
> orientation skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that 
> what I intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of 
> the destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they 
> (the person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.
> 
> Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
> would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. 
> I do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the 
> side of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the 
> information available to a blind user if possible.
> If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
> this with faith that it might be added in the future.
> On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
> the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
> O skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people 
> in the area.
> 
> I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent 
> success. It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate 
> tool, it is another tool.
> 
> Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O 
> skills without GPS.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
>> on. The concern is about the destination.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>>> 
>>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>>>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>>>> States and Canada.
>>>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>>>>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other 
>>>>> features that people like with this app.
>>>>> /A
>>>>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kaw

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[gs]

Thanks for the education, David. It's a little condescending but I'll leave it 
at that.

Just to be clear, I have another GPS solution which will identify the side of 
the street of the destination. I do not want to spend the money for this unless 
it will do the same. This has nothing to do with GPS accuracy, orientation 
skills, or international travel. It should have been obvious that what I 
intended to state was that I wanted to know the side of the street of the 
destination. Not sure why anyone would need GPS to inform them if they (the 
person traveling) are on the left or right side of the street.

Also, I might be deafblind or there might be several other reasons why one 
would prefer this feature. Mainly, it exists in other GPS apps and I like it. I 
do not use GPS to travel to familiar locations. If the map identifies the side 
of the street for specific addresses, it should be included in the information 
available to a blind user if possible.
 If I did not already own a solution where it is available, I might purchase 
this with faith that it might be added in the future.
On Aug 28, 2016, at 7:39 AM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:

When the accuracy is very good, one ends up very close to the location. When 
the accuracy is not as good, one ends up within the block. In that case, good 
O skills will get the person to the location; such skills as asking people in 
the area.

I travel independently, and internationally, using GPS, with excellent success. 
It is another tool in my travel toolbox. It is not the ultimate tool, it is 
another tool.

Oh, and when the GPS signal is very pool, it is necessary to fall back on O 
skills without GPS.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

> On 28 Aug 2016, at 22:40, Geoff Stephens <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I guess I am smart enough to be able to tell which side of the street I am 
> on. The concern is about the destination.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 27, 2016, at 10:58 PM, David Chittenden <dchitten...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Given the inaccuracies which are inherrant in GPS thus far, I would not 
>> trust any app which claimed to be able to tell you which side of the street 
>> you are currently on. GPS is not that accurate.
>> 
>> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
>> Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
>> Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 28 Aug 2016, at 14:05, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. 
>>> This is definitely a deal breaker for me.
>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo <n0...@charter.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United 
>>> States and Canada.
>>>> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
>>>> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
>>>> that people like with this app.
>>>> /A
>>>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu <kgli...@icloud.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Mark.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that 
>>>>> or did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m 
>>>>> really glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kawal.
>>>>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor <mk...@ucla.edu> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for 
>>>>>> iOS, GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for 
>>>>>> the Blind.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining 
>>>>>> whether or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its 
>>>>>> user manual, below my signature line.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A couple of things to note, however:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1.
>>>>>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>>>>>> Canada.  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2.
>>>>>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App St

Re: Here is the Text of the User Manual for the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, GPS Navigation App

[gs]

Hmm. Let me know when the iOS version announces the side of the street. This is 
definitely a deal breaker for me.
On Aug 21, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Mike Arrigo  wrote:

It's designed for blind users, but currently it only works in the United States 
and Canada.
> On Aug 21, 2016, at 1:31 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I didn’t know that this app was available for the Iphone.
> Is this an app thats designed for blind users or is it some other features 
> that people like with this app.
> /A
>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 17:14, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Mark.
>> 
>> Just in case, you sent to the Macvisionary list.  Did you mean to do that or 
>> did you mean to send it to the GPS list?  I knew you’d get it and I’m really 
>> glad you did as I was going to ask you to do that.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>>> On 20 Aug 2016, at 15:38, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,  
>>> 
>>> I must say that I am extremely impressed with the Nearby Explorer, for iOS, 
>>> GPS navigation app, developed by the American Printing House for the Blind. 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> So, for your convenience, in either enjoying the app or determining whether 
>>> or not to purchase it, I am pasting in the complete text of its user 
>>> manual, below my signature line.
>>> 
>>> A couple of things to note, however:
>>> 
>>> 1.
>>> Currently, this app only supports navigation in the United States and 
>>> Canada.  
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>> At the time of this post, the cost of the app is, in the U.S. App Store 
>>> anyway, $79.99.
>>> 
>>> 3.
>>> In order to successfully install the app, which includes its built-in map 
>>> of North America, you must have at least 4GB of free space available on 
>>> your iOS device.
>>> 
>>> 4.
>>> The direct URL to the online user manual, which includes a in-page 
>>> hyperlinked table of contents, omitted in this post, is:
>>> http://tech.aph.org/ne/index.html
>>> 
>>> 5.
>>> I have not edited the contents of this text in any way.  I simply copied 
>>> the text from the website; therefore some of the formatting may not be 
>>> consistent with the HTML version of the manual.
>>> 
>>> Finally, to you old-timers out there, I am delighted to report that this 
>>> app reminds me a great deal of the groundbreaking, GPS navigation solution 
>>> for the blind and low vision that started it all; I am referring, of 
>>> course, to Code Factory’s Mobile Geo.  
>>> 
>>> Okay, on to the show.  
>>> 
>>> Enjoy and Happy & Safe Traveling,
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> Nearby Explorer for iOS User's Guide
>>> 
>>> Copyright 2016
>>> 
>>> American Printing House for the Blind, Inc.
>>> 
>>> 2016/8/19
>>> 
>>> Introduction
>>> 
>>> When sighted people use a global positioning system (GPS), their main 
>>> interests are getting directions and/or guidance to a destination. Blind 
>>> users appreciate these features as well, but generally desire more 
>>> orientation queues than are available on commercial GPS apps. Nearby 
>>> Explorer is a GPS app designed to provide these queues. When combined with 
>>> an accessible interface and customizable, current information about points 
>>> of interest (POIs), the tools provide a meaningful picture of the vicinity 
>>> and its characteristics.
>>> 
>>> Nearby Explorer works by:
>>> 1.displaying a screen containing several geography-related categories, 
>>> letting you turn on the ones of interest (announced as you move). You can 
>>> put the phone to sleep and continue receiving feedback or examine the 
>>> values on the screen.
>>> 2.letting you orient the phone in various positions to get more targeted 
>>> information about: ◦points of interest (POIs),
>>> ◦direction and streets, and
>>> ◦the closest point of interest.
>>> 
>>> 3.providing descriptive details such as: ◦intersection configurations as 
>>> you approach,
>>> ◦transit stop next time, direction of travel, and head sign for systems in 
>>> over 30 metro areas,
>>> ◦distance and adjustable direction to POIs, and
>>> ◦adjustable scope for prominence and proximity for POI announcements.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Features
>>> 
>>> The information that Nearby Explorer provides helps the blind traveler stay 
>>> oriented. It shows surrounding and approaching streets, businesses, 
>>> institutions, and public facilities, and offers continually updating 
>>> distance and directional information to the nearest or selected location.
>>> 
>>> Nearby Explorer provides a sense of the surrounding streets and their 
>>> relationship to the user's current position. Additionally, it enables the 
>>> passenger in a vehicle to aid the driver with directions and suggestions.
>>> 
>>> About This Manual
>>> 
>>> This documentation was complete and accurate at the time of its writing. 
>>> When there are updates or corrections, you may find them at 
>>> http://tech.aph.org/ne_info.htm.
>>> 
>>> There is also an email list dedicated to the use of this app. This is the 
>>> place to make 

Express VPN

[gs]

Express VPN is also accessible on the Mac.
On Aug 27, 2016, at 7:00 AM, Rajiv Shah  wrote:

Hi,


I can tell you it works fairly well on Windows as well.


Rajiv

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To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 05:55:20 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Avast SecureLine VPN

Yes, I recommend it for iOS. I do not know how well it works on other platforms.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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Sent from my iPhone

> On 27 Aug 2016, at 21:13, Simon Fogarty  wrote:
> 
> SO you would recommend this express vpn from nz david to the USA for Netflix?
> 
> I'm looking for something like this that I can runn off all my devices 
> including computers for full Netflix access.
> 
> Chers.
> 
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> [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of David Chittenden
> Sent: Friday, 26 August 2016 12:51 AM
> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Avast SecureLine VPN
> 
> ExpressVPN - The World's Fastest, Most Reliable VPN Provider, Express VPN 
> receives the best reviews from tech magazines. I have used it and find it 
> nicely accessible.
> 
> Currently I use Free VPN Proxy by BetterNet. It is truly free, and like 
> Express VPN, allows enough throughput that I am able to watch movies. The 
> problem with Free VPN Proxy is one is unable to manually set the country 
> server. Instead, the VPN server access point is determined automatically. 
> This works for apps like Hulu and Amazon Video where the US is the only 
> option. I am unsure how well it will work for apps which use multiple 
> countries and adjust content based on the country (such as NetFlicks). I am 
> switching to NetFlicks when my Amazon Video subscription ends. At that time, 
> I will probably pay for Express VPN so I will be able to access the US 
> version of NetFlicks.
> 
> David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
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> 
>> On 26 Aug 2016, at 00:38, Chris G  wrote:
>> 
>> I was listening to Leo Laports Tech Guy show last weekend and he had a 
>> caller that was also banned from facebook because of those posts.
>> Turns out she had Avast for the mac installed on her computer. He 
>> told her to remove Avast and the issue would probably go away as he 
>> couldn't figure anything else out.
>> 
>> Such an attack is called a man in the middle attack.
>> 
>> 
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>> On Thu, 25 Aug 2016 08:11:17 -0400
>> "jeff `greene"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> A vpn hides your location. You go through the vpn's servers all over 
>>> the world when surfing. They are a good idea if you use public wifi 
>>> at a coffee shop. But, I'd stay away from anything marked avast. I 
>>> have a friend who put avast antivirus on his mac and it loaded all 
>>> kinds of strange cirts into safari. Later he got banned from facebook 
>>> for posting too many things in turkish. He wasn't doing the posting, 
>>> then he found out it was those avast cirts.
>>> Jeff
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/25/16, Bill Gallik  wrote:
 Can anybody tell me the pros/cons of “Avast SecureLine VPN?”
 
 What is it and what is it supposed to do?
 
 
 
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Wunderlist and file attachments

[gs]

Just checking to see if anyone is using the Wunderlist Todo manager on the Mac 
and whether you know how to access file attachments? Seems to work well enough 
with iOS but I am having trouble figuring it out on the Mac.

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Password entry and quasi-quicknav issue

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The version of Mac OS I am using demonstrates the well-publicized issue of a 
sort of quasi-quicknav causing problems with password entry and other areas 
when certain keys are used. Without violating anything or causing any sort of 
heated discussion, could someone please tell me which version of the OS 
precedes this issue? I have just about had all I can take of it and it doesn't 
seem to be getting fixed.


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Re: voice over after phone calls

[gs]

Yes. Restarting VO should fix it.

On Jun 15, 2016, at 3:56 PM, Gary  wrote:

Correct, it’s the plain iPhone 5, and she uses the apple earpods, not a 
bluetooth.  Although she said that  she can now fix it by turning VO off and on.
Gary

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> Let me just be very clear.  You are speaking of the plain 5, not the 5S, nor 
> 5C.  Correct?
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> 
> 
> My wife has been having this problem with her iPhone 5, since ios 9 came out.
> Gary
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2016, at 10:54 AM, Caitlyn Furness  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> Recently, my i phone has been doing something weird.
>> 
>> After I end a call, or the other person ends it, voice over sounds like it’s 
>> in a tin well or something.  the other sounds on the phone are a bit wanky 
>> as well.
>> 
>> the only way I can resolve this and get normal sound back again is rebooting 
>> the phone.
>> 
>> Is anyone else seeing this?  And, is there a better way to restore normality?
>> 
>> I’ve already emailed Apple about this, and got the canned response, but 
>> that’s done, at least, so they know about it.
>> 
>> thanks!
>> Cait
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Re: RSS Reader

[gs]

I use the same combination although I would like to know of a comparable way to 
also use Windows to access Feedly.

I do not remember Readkit ever crashing even a single time. Not sure about 
those reviews.

On May 20, 2016, at 2:30 PM, Grant  wrote:

Hi Brandon,

I use ReadKit. It syncs with all kinds of third party services such as Feedly, 
Instapaper, and Pocket. It has a nice, simple list-based interface with lots of 
keyboard shortcuts. With one hotkey you can fetch the full text of a given 
article using Readability. I use ReadKit on a daily basis to manage my RSS 
feeds and my Instapaper account. I use Lire on my iPhone and both Lire and 
ReadKit are set up to sync with my Feedly account so once an article is marked 
as read on one device, I do not need to see it on my other devices. You can get 
it from the Mac App Store here: 
https://itunes.apple.com/ca/app/readkit/id588726889?mt=12

Hope this helps,

Grant

On May 20, 2016, at 11:12 AM, Brandon A. Olivares  
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Hi,

I’m looking for a good, accessible RSS reader. Any suggestions?

Brandon

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Re: 1Password for Mac

[gs]

LOL. Haven't heard a thing except to say that it is still a problem. The person 
who extolled the absolute greatness of 1Password on this list knows who he is 
but I won't identify him. I'm really completely sick of it at this point and 
will not waste anymore time trying to communicate with any developer about any 
of it.

In short, it is currently a disaster.




On May 6, 2016, at 10:10 PM, E.T.  wrote:

  I saw how the entry of a new password went awry today. Did anyone ever hear 
from the developer about it?

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

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Re: Is there any way to accept an Outlook Calendar invitation in Mail?

[gs]

I just tested it and it's the same for me. Just opened the .ics file.

On Apr 27, 2016, at 5:20 AM, Nicholas Parsons  
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For me, there’s always been a .ics file attachment. If I open that attachment, 
it adds the event to Calendar and from there I can accept or decline.

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Re: T-Mobile squeaks out as nation's fastest carrier

[gs]

I meant to say that I am using an iPhone 6S but mistakenly wrote 6 Plus since 
that's what I had until November. It's rather ironic that everything changed in 
the building just a couple of days ago. Coverage is extremely good now. In the 
middle of the building it's not great but anywhere even reasonably close to the 
sides it is very nice. 


On Apr 25, 2016, at 12:34 PM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

No, you do not * have access* to 700 mhz with a 6+.  Only the 6S and 6S+ 
support the 700 mhz band.  The previous versions of the iPhone do not support 
this band and support the 1800 to 2300 MHZ band for T-Mobile only so it won’t 
penetrate that building most likely.  THat’s almost certainly the problem.  I 
have a 6S+ and lock on to band 12 no problem deep inside large steel and glass 
buildings with out issue.  Also, the radio in general in the 6S / 6S+ / SE is 
better and more sensitive and locks on to towers better than the 6.  Each 
iteration of the iPhone has had improved radios for the most part but the jump 
from the 6 to the 6S was significant as was the jump from the 5S to the 6.

 

> On Apr 25, 2016, at 12:24 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> I am using an iPhone 6 Plus so should have access to the 700 Mhz band. I am 
> on the 50th floor and am not exactly certain how much that contributes to the 
> situation. Are cell phone antennas directional? I didn't think so but not 
> sure how the cell towers work these days. I'm only a few feet from the outer 
> glass edge of the building but admittedly, I am technically in an inner 
> office. If I get really close to the windows, there is a bit of signal 
> sometimes but not always by any means.
> 
> Thankfully, I have finally gotten access to some wifi that makes life a 
> little easier. For a while there I was not sure what I was going to do.
> 
> 
> 
> On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> It depends on what phone you’re using on their network.  If you h ave the new 
> band 12 support in your phone you most likely won’t have the problems you 
> mention.  I work in a giant glass building with about 10K employees on 14 
> floors with an unbuilding Verizon repeater system and T-Mobile gets 3 bars of 
> LTE even in the center of the facility.  This is on an iPhone 6S+ though with 
> band 12 (700 mhz) support.  The lower band has about 4 times the building 
> penetration and twice the over all distance of propagation than the band 2 or 
> 4 frequencies they normally use.  Some areas had interference with television 
> channels though which delayed the roll out.  Boston was one although the 
> issue with channel 51 in Rhode Island was resolved and the channel moved to 
> 50.  Chicago has something similar going on as does the DFW area I believe.  
> You also have plans for a 600 MHZ auction this year and don’t forget T-Mobile 
> interoperates with AT on 700 mhz so you can switch between networks if your 
> phone supports it.
> 
> If you’re working with an iPhone 6 or older that’s most likely your problem.
> 
>> On Apr 22, 2016, at 7:27 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com 
>> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> The only thing I can contribute is that it all matters not if the building 
>> in which I work, right in the midst of the most populated area in the U.S., 
>> causes me to have no signal with T-Mobile from the time I start work until I 
>> leave, while others with different carriers do not encounter a significant 
>> issue. I recently switched to T-mobile after hearing all the praises. I'll 
>> be leaving again very soon.
>> 
>> Admittedly, when I am in an area with a signal, the speeds are pretty good. 
>> I was quite shocked a few months ago shortly after I had switched to 
>> T-Mobile when, while on a trip to Florida, in a restaurant, I was the only 
>> person in my group who had absolutely no service. Everyone else had at least 
>> four bars.
>> 
>> T-Mobile has certainly gotten better, but it has some problems just as the 
>> others do.
>> 
>> On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net 
>> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> Good article here from the folks at open signal about US carrier speeds.  
>> T-mobile squeaks out the lead at 12.3 megabits, VZ at 12, and AT in the 6 
>> / 7 range along with sprint in the 7 - 8 range.  (This is LTE coverage)  On 
>> 3G T-Mobile trounces the competition with the fastest 3G speeds by far.  
>>  Coverage is also in T-Mobile’s favor with 81% of the population 
>> covered, verizon is at 86% as threader in coverage and Sprint lags far 
>>

Re: T-Mobile squeaks out as nation's fastest carrier

[gs]

I am using an iPhone 6 Plus so should have access to the 700 Mhz band. I am on 
the 50th floor and am not exactly certain how much that contributes to the 
situation. Are cell phone antennas directional? I didn't think so but not sure 
how the cell towers work these days. I'm only a few feet from the outer glass 
edge of the building but admittedly, I am technically in an inner office. If I 
get really close to the windows, there is a bit of signal sometimes but not 
always by any means.

Thankfully, I have finally gotten access to some wifi that makes life a little 
easier. For a while there I was not sure what I was going to do.



On Apr 25, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net> wrote:

It depends on what phone you’re using on their network.  If you h ave the new 
band 12 support in your phone you most likely won’t have the problems you 
mention.  I work in a giant glass building with about 10K employees on 14 
floors with an unbuilding Verizon repeater system and T-Mobile gets 3 bars of 
LTE even in the center of the facility.  This is on an iPhone 6S+ though with 
band 12 (700 mhz) support.  The lower band has about 4 times the building 
penetration and twice the over all distance of propagation than the band 2 or 4 
frequencies they normally use.  Some areas had interference with television 
channels though which delayed the roll out.  Boston was one although the issue 
with channel 51 in Rhode Island was resolved and the channel moved to 50.  
Chicago has something similar going on as does the DFW area I believe.  You 
also have plans for a 600 MHZ auction this year and don’t forget T-Mobile 
interoperates with AT on 700 mhz so you can switch between networks if your 
phone supports it.

If you’re working with an iPhone 6 or older that’s most likely your problem.

> On Apr 22, 2016, at 7:27 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> The only thing I can contribute is that it all matters not if the building in 
> which I work, right in the midst of the most populated area in the U.S., 
> causes me to have no signal with T-Mobile from the time I start work until I 
> leave, while others with different carriers do not encounter a significant 
> issue. I recently switched to T-mobile after hearing all the praises. I'll be 
> leaving again very soon.
> 
> Admittedly, when I am in an area with a signal, the speeds are pretty good. I 
> was quite shocked a few months ago shortly after I had switched to T-Mobile 
> when, while on a trip to Florida, in a restaurant, I was the only person in 
> my group who had absolutely no service. Everyone else had at least four bars.
> 
> T-Mobile has certainly gotten better, but it has some problems just as the 
> others do.
> 
> On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Scott <sc...@qualityip.net 
> <mailto:sc...@qualityip.net>> wrote:
> 
> Good article here from the folks at open signal about US carrier speeds.  
> T-mobile squeaks out the lead at 12.3 megabits, VZ at 12, and AT in the 6 / 
> 7 range along with sprint in the 7 - 8 range.  (This is LTE coverage)  On 3G 
> T-Mobile trounces the competition with the fastest 3G speeds by far.  
>   Coverage is also in T-Mobile’s favor with 81% of the population 
> covered, verizon is at 86% as threader in coverage and Sprint lags far behind 
> at 70%.  (again 4g LTE  coverage)
>  
> In terms of the globe, the US is now in the top 10 of nations in terms of 
> coverage with over 80% of the country covered by LTE.  However, in terms of 
> speed we’re far behind countries like Singapore and New Zealand with their 
> average speeds at 30+ megabits.  Remember though these are much smaller 
> countries with much more dense networks.  For a country our size we’re doing 
> great as far as rollout goes.  Read more here.
> 
> http://www.theverge.com/2016/2/2/10893088/america-us-lte-4g-coverage-speeds 
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Re: Automation mailing list.

[gs]

Strangest thing in the world but maybe the reason you haven't gotten many 
subscriptions. Whenever I try to copy the email to subscribe, it copies as 
blindmacautomation+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com 


So anyone lazy enough not to type the address manually may not be getting it.
Not sure.

Also, the other unclear thing below is: If you want to join the discussion send 
a messageto Hello Talking Apple,

What does that mean?



On Mar 27, 2016, at 8:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

As I discussed last week, I am starting a specialised discussion in a separate 
list to discuss how blind Macintosh users can use the items discussed in “Take 
Control of Automating Your Macintosh.”  I now have a google group up for this.

The book discusses using keyboard macros mail automation and several other 
types of automation in brief. 

If you want to join the discussion send a messageto Hello Talking Apple,

Happy Easter and I am glad to see some messages on this list again! 

I am starting a list to talk very specifically about the book “Take Control of 
Automating Your Macintosh”. It is available on both BookShare and Take Control 
Books. If anybody is interested in joining, there have been no conversations 
yet. 

I am a bit new to managing Google Groups, but the Name of the group  is Blind 
Macintosh Automation.

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Re: Is there any way to accept an Outlook Calendar invitation in Mail?

[gs]

There is a way but I do not currently have an Outlook meeting 
request/appointment with which to test.

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Question says it all.  I don't see a way to do this.  Thanks for any help.
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Re: T-Mobile squeaks out as nation's fastest carrier

[gs]

The only thing I can contribute is that it all matters not if the building in 
which I work, right in the midst of the most populated area in the U.S., causes 
me to have no signal with T-Mobile from the time I start work until I leave, 
while others with different carriers do not encounter a significant issue. I 
recently switched to T-mobile after hearing all the praises. I'll be leaving 
again very soon.

Admittedly, when I am in an area with a signal, the speeds are pretty good. I 
was quite shocked a few months ago shortly after I had switched to T-Mobile 
when, while on a trip to Florida, in a restaurant, I was the only person in my 
group who had absolutely no service. Everyone else had at least four bars.

T-Mobile has certainly gotten better, but it has some problems just as the 
others do.

On Apr 21, 2016, at 9:30 AM, Scott  wrote:

Good article here from the folks at open signal about US carrier speeds.  
T-mobile squeaks out the lead at 12.3 megabits, VZ at 12, and AT in the 6 / 7 
range along with sprint in the 7 - 8 range.  (This is LTE coverage)  On 3G 
T-Mobile trounces the competition with the fastest 3G speeds by far.  
Coverage is also in T-Mobile’s favor with 81% of the population 
covered, verizon is at 86% as threader in coverage and Sprint lags far behind 
at 70%.  (again 4g LTE  coverage)
 
In terms of the globe, the US is now in the top 10 of nations in terms of 
coverage with over 80% of the country covered by LTE.  However, in terms of 
speed we’re far behind countries like Singapore and New Zealand with their 
average speeds at 30+ megabits.  Remember though these are much smaller 
countries with much more dense networks.  For a country our size we’re doing 
great as far as rollout goes.  Read more here.

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Re: Iphone Se.

[gs]

Sorry. I didn't understand the degree of confusion. The latest iPhone is the 
Sierra Echo.
The reason you might want to perform a web search is that you could obtain much 
more information than I am willing to type here about the latest iPhone.

iPhone SE

A big step for small.


http://www.apple.com/iphone-se/

On Apr 16, 2016, at 8:59 PM, Jessica Moss <junglebookfa...@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, if I need to do I web search for this, how are people on this list easily 
getting their hands on them?  I don’t get it.
> On Apr 16, 2016, at 8:09 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> You didn't miss anything. There is no iPhone CE. It was never released. There 
> is an iPhone SE but probably better just to do a web search.
> 
> 
> 
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> OK, looks like I missed the latest news, what’s the IPhone CE, and when was 
> it released?
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>> and quality for calls was very good so far and it's quite speedy. I was 
>> going to get the 6s+ but it didn't seem worth the trouble for 3D touch. But 
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You didn't miss anything. There is no iPhone CE. It was never released. There 
is an iPhone SE but probably better just to do a web search.



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OK, looks like I missed the latest news, what’s the IPhone CE, and when was it 
released?
> On Apr 16, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Blee Blat  wrote:
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> and quality for calls was very good so far and it's quite speedy. I was going 
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Re: Entering passwords for 1 password on Mac

[gs]

Well, we've been peppered with propaganda on this list about how wonderful and 
absolutely perfect is 1Password until we go and spend the outrageous funds to 
purchase it for multiple operating systems and determine that it absolutely is 
not what some have declared. And then, we are told how wonderfully responsive 
is the developer, only to find that the one feature it is supposed to assist us 
with does not work and is not fixed with an update!

Quite pathetic if you ask me. Nobody did. But I have converted everything to 
1Password after all the evangelism and am quite unhappy at this point. What 
should I do?

I do not have the time to liaise with the developer. As I said before, I expect 
it to generally work.


On Mar 10, 2016, at 9:36 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu  wrote:

I think it has something to do with the way VoiceOver handles cursor movement.  
It makes me very uncomfortable, because it will probably some day lead to my 
ending up with corrupted passwords in the database when I type and don’t check 
back, or fail to reverse correctly in my head, especially if merely reversing 
the passwords is not sufficient to detect character transpositions that 
sometimes happen with this bug.  Particularly bad when you’re entering your 
existing passwords.

You can work around it, for now, by copy-pasting your secrets in.  And as has 
been said, the Safari extension (and, incidentally, the iOS app) don’t have 
this issue.

Why the sudden interest in password managers around here, anyway? :)

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Re: Follow up to my one password issue. I'm definitely making major progress.

[gs]

It's kind of funny. I think a lot of the folks who insist that 1Password is 
phenomenal haven't really bothered trying to use many of its features. Don't 
get me wrong: I really do think that if I slaved over this thing every day and 
got really used to its eccentricities, I would be at least somewhat ok with it. 
I just don't want to have to do that. And, the reality is that when the very 
thing it is supposed to accomplish isn't working (passwords entered backward, 
etc) I get very frustrated very quickly. I've been told that the developer is 
very responsive. I just don't want to waste the time attempting to get issues 
resolved. I'm lazy. I just want it to work. As expensive as it is, it should 
just work.






On Mar 5, 2016, at 1:28 PM, Grant  wrote:

Hey Chris, I stand corrected, I mostly just use 1Password to maintain logins 
but after reading your other thread I started trying to add other items like 
wireless base stations, and I’m seeing all the issues you reported in the 
details table such as being unable to edit passwords and unable to focus on all 
the controls. Unfortunately however, things didn’t improve for me once I turned 
on rich icons, so I’m not sure what could be going on here.

Grant

> On Mar 5, 2016, at 6:40 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  > wrote:
> 
> OK, just got with a guy on Twitter over DM who uses 1Password with Voiceover. 
>  I think we found out a huge part of my problem.
>  
> Don't! and I repeat, don't! disable rich icons!  If you do, Oh God're you 
> gonna have a mess!  My logic of thinking was two things.
>  
> 1.  What is an icon gonna mean to me, being it's just an image?
>  
> 2.  It said we never send your personal data, but apparently it uses a 3rd 
> party source to get the images for the rich icons.  I'm a huge! believer in 
> security, and the less stuff I can have sent to an outsource, the better.  
> Therefore, when I heard that an outsourced system would generate the icons, I 
> said, Oh? no you don't!  Therefore, I turned rich icons off.  That was 
> apparently a mistake on my part.  I guess it kind a changes the user 
> interface when you do that, causing the details table on each item to be very 
> very difficuylt to navigate, if not nearly impossible.  So, yeah, if you've 
> done a stupid is, as stupid does, like I did, no worry.  Go into the app, and 
> unlock your valt with your master password.  Then, hit vo+M to go to your 
> menu bar.  In here go over to the view menu.  In the view menu, you can 
> toggle rich icons back on.  Just turn it back on, and then you should be able 
> to navigate the columns just fine.
>  
> Now, one bug I've found which my friend on Twitter also was able to reproduce 
> is, in each row of the table under your details for an item, there's a place 
> to obviously type in the data value.  So say you have a row called "User 
> name."  To the right of that label name, you'll see the text box to type in 
> the value.  Just beyond that, this is where the bug comes into play.  There 
> is a popup button apparently called, "type menu button."  For what ever 
> strange reason, I cannot no matter what I try get that button to gain focus.  
> Even using the mouse keys as Ray recommended isn't exactly working.  I can 
> get to the type menu button on the most bottom row that is for a new label 
> which you custom create, but past that point, if it's a label already created 
> by the app itself, then forget it.  I definitely will be writing the 
> developers regarding this bug, as apparently, from what my friend said, he's 
> not been too concerned about it, but it's apparently been around for a while 
> now.
>  
> So, yeah, I think for the most part, I've got it working, but I'll let you 
> all know if I get tripped up again.
>  
> Chris.
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Re: Incredibly! and I really do mean, incredibly! irritated with One Password!

[gs]

Haven't tried 6.1 yet but I have experienced some of the same issues with prior 
versions. Those who sing about 1Password accessibility are those who have 
painstakingly fought through these issues. Yes, it generally can be used once 
you deal with its oddities. But understanding exactly how to add and remove 
things and dealing with the password issues has caused me to wish I hadn't 
bothered with it more than once. In summary, it isn't all that intuitive and 
has some accessibility issues that make use with VO much more difficult than 
without it. I'm seriously considering abandoning it at this point except that, 
like you, I have spent money on it and bought the iOS version before it was 
free. I would like it to just work without having to possess an advanced degree 
to accomplish what I want.




On Mar 5, 2016, at 8:53 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland  
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OK folks, this is driving me to morbid drinking!  Hopefully, someone here can 
shed some light on this, as I'm about ready to scream, and that's saying 
something considerring I'm a pretty advanced Voiceover user.
 
I just bought One Password from the Mac app store.  The problem I'm having is 
once I go to add an entry to my valt, I VO+right arrow over to the details 
table, and interact with it.
 
Let's say I'm wanting to add a wireless router for example.  I see something in 
the first row of the table which says Base Station Name, delete button, type 
menu.  So, if I interact with that particular row in the table, so I can go 
across the row column by column, for one thing, I don't seem to be able to 
focus myself on the delete button.  I thought that delete button might be to 
delete that field within the table.  I don't exactly have a base station name, 
nor a section, or anything of sort.  I only really need the network name, and 
the wireless password.
 
When I got down to where I could type in the password, all I see is an 
unlabeled checkbox.  VO+Shift+H doesn't present any help tag at all either.
 
Just to see what it did, I checked the box.  It looks like that brings up a 
popup to have it automatically generate a password.  The problem is, once it 
does so, if I try interacting with that row within the table data details, I 
can't edit the darn thing.  If I try, it appends my password to the beginning 
of the one it generated, and try as I may using the standard methods within a 
text area of selecting text, and editting/deleting text, it won't let me do it. 
 Needless to say, I'm extremely irritated!
 
I tried adding a login.  Same thing.  It won't let me add my password.  It 
thinks, it! has to generate it for me, and try as I may, I can't seem to edit 
the dad  blamed dumb bunny.  So's far as I can see, this was a total! waist of 
$50.  I'm more than willing to let you all try to help me figure this out, and 
give me step by step directions on how to correctly navigate the details table 
of an item, but trust me.  The table isn't exactly standard by any means.  
Before you ask, yes, I've definitely tried routing my mouse pointer, and then 
using VO+Shift+Space.  That doesn't really do any good.
 
This is version 6.1 that I'm using.
 
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Re: What to do when cmd-f5 just dings?

[gs]

Did you try Function CMD F5?

On Feb 21, 2016, at 10:15 AM, Alex Hall  wrote:

I wondered about that, but I had a sighted person check. The Mac was waiting 
for the password, since it's set to automatically log into the only account on 
the machine, so cmd-f5 definitely should have done something.
> On Feb 21, 2016, at 09:54, Jonathan Cohn  wrote:
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> Hello,
> 
> I believe that when the login screen does this, it means it is really the 
> lock screen and not the login screen.
> 
> If there switch users is enabled, you might be able to get to the full login 
> screen, though I can’t remember where the button for that is, or if there is 
> a keyboard shortcut. 
>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 09:11, Alex Hall  wrote:
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>> Hey all,
>> I've run into this from time to time on 10.11: hit command-f5, and you get 
>> the error ding instead of VoiceOver. Right now, I'm seeing it on my sister's 
>> Air, at the logon screen, but I've seen it on my machines as well. I figured 
>> it was a beta thing, but the Air in front of me doesn't run any betas. Has 
>> anyone found any way of getting VO to come on, especially at the logon 
>> screen where you can't access System Preferences or Terminal? Thanks.
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Re: about the recent crash scripts

[gs]

Excellent tack, Chris. Don't say too much and make sure to leave people 
guessing about your configuration. That'll handle the problem.

Even better, stop responding to the tantalizing bait. Not possible, I 
understand.



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I'm doing it on Windows, and it's not crashing.  I'm not gonna say any more 
though about my setup than that, for security reasons.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: "Eric Oyen" 
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Subject: about the recent crash scripts


if anyone out here is willing to, please package these scripts as text files (I 
will see if I can use textedit to pick them apart. I would very much like to 
see how this was done so I can file a report with apple's voiceover development 
team. I am not even going to attempt to view these messages in windows (no idea 
what will happen there).

thanks.

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Bit Torrent Sync

[gs]

Tried to send this earlier so hopefully this is not a duplicate.

Does anyone have any experience using the OS X version of Bit Torrent Sync?

I can't get the Windows or OS X versions to work but am able to get the iOS 
setup. That does me no good if I can't use it on the Mac.



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BitTorrent Sync

[gs]

Has anyone ever used BitTorrent Sync and if so, are there any tricks for making 
it work? I am having difficulty figuring it out.

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Re: I'll be incredibly terse, I promise! Sweetspots are not working.

[gs]

One of the most exciting features about VO for the uninitiated. I scurried to 
experiment with these when I first started using the Mac. What a let down. I 
mean really a let down. I don't even bother now. Apple really needs to insure 
that the features advertised and implemented in VO perform as expected.





On Jan 12, 2016, at 4:16 AM, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:

Just to add, hotspots don't work for me in El Capitan at all.  I set them and 
maybe I would use a hotspot once and then they stop working.  I kept reporting 
it to Apple during beta testing but they never fixed the feature.  I do miss 
them.  It's quite frustrating.

Andrew
> On 12 Jan 2016, at 08:52, Chris Gilland  wrote:
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> John,
> 
> Thank you so much for your response. It is greatly appreciated.
> 
> It's good to know that I am not the only one having this problem. I mean… Let 
> me rephrase… It is good, but it is not good. If you know what I mean. it's 
> good in the sense that I know I'm not crazy. It is not good in the sense that 
> Apple really needs to either remove this feature altogether, or they need to 
> get it fixed. It seems like if I remember correctly, it didn't work in 
> Mountain lion, but that's been quite a while back. it might have work in the 
> lien. I don't honestly remember, in this feeble brain of mine right now is 
> too tired to analyze things.
> 
> sorry for the typos. I'm using Siri right now.
> 
> Anyway… Take care, and again, thank you for the help.
> 
> Chris.
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 22:05, John Panarese  wrote:
>> 
>> I have found Sweet Spots to be quite inconsistent and I don’t recall them 
>> working at all in Yosemite. I honestly haven’t tried them in El Capitan 
>> because I thought Apple had gotten rid of them.
>> 
>> 
>> Take Care
>> 
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>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2016, at 9:41 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> El Capitan 10.11.2.
>>> 
>>> 1.  Open Safari, and hit command+L.
>>> 
>>> 2.  Navigate to
>>> 
>>> http://www.learningalley.org
>>> 
>>> 3.  VO+right arrow to the login link.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Press vo+Command+shift+right bracket right bracket to set the sweetspot 
>>> at that location.
>>> 
>>> 4.  Press command+L, then navigate to a different web site of your choice.
>>> 
>>> 5.  Press command+L to navigate back to the learning Alley web site.  Again:
>>> 
>>> http://www.learningalley.org
>>> 
>>> 6.  Notice that Voiceover doesn't automatically focus you on the login 
>>> link, nor on any other link you might instead set up as the sweetspot.
>>> 
>>> Note:  Apple Accessibility tried over the phone working with me on this, 
>>> and they reproduced the exact same behavior consistently, not just on the 
>>> Learning Alley web site, but on others as well.
>>> 
>>> Is this a bug?  or is it that I'm not fully grasping the concept of 
>>> Sweetspots.
>>> 
>>> For further reading, refver to the Voiceover user's guide, chapter 6.
>>> 
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Problem with passwords in 1Password

[gs]

I admit that I need to continue to try to isolate exactly what is going on but 
this is getting frustrating. When I try to manually enter passwords in 
1Passwords for logins, the characters are entered in reverse order.
This seems to only be happening with new entries. I went back and looked at 
some of the older entries and the passwords are being spoken correctly. So I 
can only assume this is not a problem specific to VO. I did some preliminary 
web searches but did not locate anyone else experiencing this so thought I 
would check here to see if anyone else has encountered this issue. This is with 
1Password in Mac OS X and not the iOS version. I have not yet tested with the 
iOS version to see if I encounter the same issue.
When I copy the password and paste, it is also backward. Is there some setting 
in 1Password?


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Re: Having voiceover speak selected text in iOS

[gs]

Well, I obviously didn't mean a quadruple double tap but simply four quick taps 
with three fingers.

On Dec 31, 2015, at 12:22 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:

My mistake. There is no gesture that I know of to say selected text. However, 
there is a gesture to copy selected text to clipboard. This is accomplished 
with a quadruple three-finger double tap.


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There is a way but I cannot remember the gesture and am not certain whether it 
is posted in the list of keyboard commands in the manual. So why am I even 
taking up everyone's time? Well, I suspect this might be a valuable gesture for 
a lot of people to note. When I get the chance, I will look in the manual and 
see if it is there.


On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com 
<mailto:philh...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is there a command I can use to have voiceover speak whatever text happens to 
be selected? I'm working in the notes app and would like to be able to hear 
what text is actually selected.


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Re: Having voiceover speak selected text in iOS

[gs]

There is a way but I cannot remember the gesture and am not certain whether it 
is posted in the list of keyboard commands in the manual. So why am I even 
taking up everyone's time? Well, I suspect this might be a valuable gesture for 
a lot of people to note. When I get the chance, I will look in the manual and 
see if it is there. Otherwise, maybe someone knows the proper gesture


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Is there a command I can use to have voiceover speak whatever text happens to 
be selected? I'm working in the notes app and would like to be able to hear 
what text is actually selected.


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Re: Having voiceover speak selected text in iOS

[gs]

My mistake. There is no gesture that I know of to say selected text. However, 
there is a gesture to copy selected text to clipboard. This is accomplished 
with a quadruple three-finger double tap.


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There is a way but I cannot remember the gesture and am not certain whether it 
is posted in the list of keyboard commands in the manual. So why am I even 
taking up everyone's time? Well, I suspect this might be a valuable gesture for 
a lot of people to note. When I get the chance, I will look in the manual and 
see if it is there.


On Dec 30, 2015, at 9:21 PM, Phil Halton <philh...@gmail.com> wrote:

Is there a command I can use to have voiceover speak whatever text happens to 
be selected? I'm working in the notes app and would like to be able to hear 
what text is actually selected.


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Re: radio and iPhone 5S

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According to quite a few sources, there is an FM receive capability in most 
modern smart phones. Obviously, there is no antenna in the iPhone but the 
capability is supposedly there. There have been quite a few articles posted 
about this in the past couple of years and I have heard of an app that was 
being promoted to take advantage of the fm radios in smart phones. 

I'll leave you to search and find articles that speculate about why there are 
proponents and opponents. Here is a very basic article from NPR on the subject. 
There are many more:
http://digital.vpr.net/post/unlock-fm-radio-hiding-your-smart-phone#stream/0

On Dec 29, 2015, at 10:34 PM, Scott Granados  wrote:

When someone talks about the radio in a cellphone they mean the radio software 
and hardware that talks to the tower in the transceiver sense not the radio as 
in AM FM sense.  Now there’s an exception to that.
Many older phones had AM / FM radio hardware included in the cellular 
radio chip.  This was because vendors started to use software based radios 
which meant instead of building radios out of crystals or phase lock loop clock 
based circuits they used digital convertors and software and could make a radio 
receive any frequency they wanted just by programming the software to work the 
hardware correctly.  This meant they included a radio, added a lead to the 
headphones for an antenna and bam AM/FM radio.  That never was done in the 
iPhone to my knowledge.  No radio in the software or hardware.  Now the radio 
hardware is very complex and I don’t think anyone includes that function at all.

Good luck.

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 3:43 PM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
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> Hi all!
> Just curious.  I have heard that there is a built-in radio chip in most smart 
> phones.  Is this true and how does it become activated.  If this is the case 
> why do we need special apps to listen to radio?
> I have an iPhone 5S and would like to know more about this.
> Any info would be appreciated.
> Thanks,
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Re: BardMobile?

[gs]

Sure. Just go to http://watch.bard.loc.gov  for all 
the details. I hope I got the address right. It's been a couple of weeks.


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Does BardMobile have an Apple Watch app?
 
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Re: Spotify question

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Brian,
Posted just this week and several times before on this list, it is possible to 
use Spotify with Mac OS X. Go to 
http://www.applevis.com/guides/mac-apps-mac-os-x-voiceover/how-enable-spotify-accessibility-mac
 

 for more information. It is not perfect but if you really need to access 
Spotify content it can be done.

On Nov 24, 2015, at 1:01 PM, Brian Howerton  wrote:

Hello all,
I was wondering if spotify is accessible on the mac.  I downloaded the app, and 
tried to use voiceover keys to navigate, but did not look like I could do 
anything in the app.  The only thing I could use were the menus.  Is anyone on 
the list using spotify?  Thanks,
Brian

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Re: VMWare Fusion

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I cannot remember if this is or is not the case as it has been a while. 
However, I think I recall that you must keep the Bootcamp partition when you 
use that option. As I say, I cannot remember if that was truly the case or 
whether I just elected to keep it but check it out just in case you either 
don't have the space or don't want to have to do that and it is an issue.

I also remember having some trouble with this kind of installation with regard 
to updating OS X since it relied on Bootcamp and there was a driver issue or 
something. It was all during my early days of Mac use so I was struggling to 
get a handle on things so I'm not as clear on it as I should be.


On Nov 11, 2015, at 11:01 AM, E.T.  wrote:

  I opted for the non Pro version. Looking at the choices, I see one for 
migrating from Bootcamp. My fingers are crossed. Will do some prep work before 
I attempt that.

>From E.T.'s Keyboard...
  ancient.ali...@icloud.com
Many believe that we have been visited
in the past. What if it were true?

On 11/11/2015 4:40 AM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> I recommend Pro because it does give you more control and more OS choices.  
> There again, if all you want is to get a Windows VM up, it hardly matters 
> which edition you choose.  The completist in me is always happy for the extra 
> flexibility though—things like whether the network adaptor can be promiscuous 
> or not, or whether the virtualised CPU will have Intel VTX in the guest.  
> It’s all good.
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Re: How to delete apps on an iPhone with 3-d touch?

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Hmm. Isn't the default a medium firm press? I left it set to the default and 
feel that I must press pretty hard to get it to activate. I'm not trying to be 
critical but it might be good to start training not to press so hard. It's a 
waste of energy and might contribute to  unnecessary issues if one is already 
sensitive to something like carpal tunnel or whatever. Double tap and hold 
requires only that the finger remain on the screen with a very light touch. Now 
maybe there is a hardware issue that is contributing to the problem and I am 
not trying to insinuate that this is not the case.


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Ditto!  I have thus far resorted to using Settings to remove apps (General, 
Storage).  Clunky, but it works.

Since I don’t use 3D Touch at all, it’s also been very tempting for me to turn 
the feature off entirely.  And yes, I already have it set to maximum firmness; 
I still keep hitting the blasted thing.  But since I have this iPhone 6S, with 
its greater weight and thickness, it smaller battery, and also its better 
radios, I can’t bring myself to do it without trying at least to make better 
use of the 3D Touch feature.

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Re: T-Mobile launches true 4G LTE Micro Cell spot

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I just switched to TMobile last weekend. I don't understand why this makes such 
a difference if you have Wifi. Doesn't the TMobile Wifi calling kind ofput an 
end for such a need for cell service? I understand that it would be only for 
those who have good Internet service. But what am I missing?
 
On Nov 2, 2015, at 11:29 AM, Dan  wrote:

Hello,
We got this cel booster about 2 months ago and We love it. We have 3 phones on 
our account and we get usually around -69 DB or around 4 Bars, if you will. 
Between the devices, the coverage is fantastic. 
So you have 2 units. 1 unit goes near a window where the best available signal 
is found and the other unit is placed somewhere in your home to get complete 
coverage.
The only thing is that you need a sighted person to read the displays to 
determine where the best placement is.
But once you have them in place, that's the end of it and you don't ever need 
to be concerned any more about how the units are working.
The units are identical in looks so you have to make sure that the units are 
placed accordingly.

Dan

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> T-Mobile finally offers a micro cell tower that you can attach to your home 
> network.  Unlike other carriers this supports the full 4G LTE feature set and 
> is free to customers.  Read more here.
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> http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/02/t-mobile-4g-lte-cellspot/rf
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Re: yosemity and the find command.

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Hmm. Works fine for me but I am using El Capitan.

On Oct 28, 2015, at 12:02 AM, Singing Sparrow  wrote:

When using the latest version of yosemity latest version of safari, i am having 
trouble using the find command.
on any pages i visit that i try doing control option f and finding a word on 
the page i am on after i press enter nothing moves me to the desired text i 
searched for.
No matter if i shut off voiceover and turn it back on or even go out of safari 
and go back in nothing corrects this for me, and no i do not have quick nav 
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Re: Hotspots not working properly.

[gs]

Well, I have had these kinds of issues ever since I started using the Mac a 
couple of years ago. I was all excited about how it would be really great and 
then when it didn't work I thought it might be something I was just doing 
incorrectly or not understanding. At this point I have given up entirely upon 
all of it and it's really a shame that the feature(s) do(es) not work as 
advertised.




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I can confirm this and I've written to the list about this before.  Hotspots 
just don't stick at all.  I had reported it in the beta testing and I've 
reported it  since upgrading to El Capitan.  Please keep on reporting it to 
Apple Accessibility.  It's not just on hotspot 22, it's any hotspot I set that 
won't stick.  This feature is totally unusable now, and the same goes for 
setting webspots.

Andrew
> On 25 Oct 2015, at 17:38, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
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> Hi!
> Before i tell apple accessibility about this i think i’d ask here first.
> I tried setting a hotspot on number 2 by pressing ctrl shift option 2.
> WHen i try to go to hotspot 2 nothing happens.
> This is on the latest el capitan on a mac mini mid 2011.
> Don’t know why its not working but it doesn’t.
> Can someone replicate this?
> Its just number 2 that doesn’t work.
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Re: How To Downgrade iOS 9.1 Public Beta to to Current iOS 9.0 Release Without Losing Any Data

[gs]

Does downgrading from 9.1 to 9.0 affect the availability of betas for 
installation? I wouldn't think it should but I still want access to the betas 
if I want to try the next one. I'm really tired of 9.1 and would like to use 
something more stable for a while.


On Sep 17, 2015, at 2:42 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I am delighted to inform you that I just successfully downgraded two iPhones
(a 5 S and a Six Plus) from iOS beta 9.1 back to the currently released iOS
9.0 via iTunes without losing any data or without having to first restore
the phones back to their factory defaults.  It appears as though Apple has
built a new function into the latest version of iTunes that makes this
process simple and painless.  

What a wonderful surprise and convenience for those of us who want to beta
test Apple software while having access to the latest release which, in many
cases, is one version prior to the current beta without having to reset
everything.

The following article, from 9 to 5 Mac, gives the general steps in order to
downgrade, however, the article was written before Apple added this new
functionality into iTunes.  There for, I have modified step 5, reflecting
the new available option.

Just so you know, you must use the latest version of iTunes, which, as of
this post, is v12.3, on a computer in order to perform a non-destructive
downgrade to an earlier, non-beta version of iOS.

Remember, this is for those of us who were running iOS beta 9.1 who want to
downgrade our devices to the currently released and more stable version of
iOS 9.0 without first having to erase the phone.

The link to the original article is located at the end of the text.

Good Luck and Enjoy,

Mark

How To Downgrade iOS 9.1 Public Beta to to Current iOS 9.0 Release Without
Losing Any Data

iOS 9 marked the first major version of the iPhone and iPad software that
Apple opened up for public beta testing after a similar trial run with iOS
8.3 last year. As many users have noticed, Apple's public beta program is
continuing with the upcoming iOS 9.1 release available as an OTA
(over-the-air) update for non-developer testers, but many users will surely
want to hop off the beta train and onto the stable release cycle with
today's iOS 9.0 release.

Several readers have already asked about downgrading from the iOS 9.1 public
beta to today's iOS 9.0 release, and while it's possible it does come at a
cost: potentially losing some important data. If moving from iOS 9.1 public
or even dev beta to today's official iOS 9.0 release is worth it for you,
read on for a detailed guide for doing just that. 

Step 1.
Ensure iCloud Is Backing Up and Syncing

While there doesn't seem to be an official path from iOS 9.1 public beta to
today's iOS 9.0 release that keeps all of your data intact, iCloud is mostly
version-agnostic in that it usually syncs and backs up important data like
contacts and notes for use on older versions of iOS. Using the iOS device
that you plan to downgrade, go to the Settings app then iCloud pane to
ensure important information like Contacts, Reminders, and Notes are all
toggled on if you plan on keeping this information.

 Likely due to privacy concerns, Apple has not enabled syncing data from
the Health and Activity apps through iCloud so expect to lose this
information if downgrading. Backing up to iCloud does preserve Health and
Activity, but you won't be able to restore to iOS 9.0 using your iOS 9.1
backup unfortunately. Still, I recommend creating a full iCloud backup just
in case you have second thoughts after moving down to iOS 9.0 and want to
recover your data with iOS 9.1. While connected to power and on a Wi-Fi
Internet connection, go to Settings > iCloud > Backup and ensure iCloud
Backup is toggled on. Then tap Back Up Now to begin a full backup to iCloud.

Step 2.
Disable Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch

While you're in Settings > iCloud, you'll want to disable Activation Lock in
iOS 9.1 to save some time when restoring to iOS 9.0. Do this by going to
Settings > iCloud > Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch (depending on which
device you're using) and toggling off Find My iPhone/iPad/iPod touch which
should prompt you for your Apple ID and password used for iCloud.

Note: this may differ from your App Store password if you use a separate
account for iCloud and purchases.

Step 3.
Backup Purchases and Data to iTunes

Now that we have a few safety nets in place, it's time to connect your iOS
device to iTunes on your Mac or PC using your charging cable and put up a
few more before downgrading from iOS 9.1 to iOS 9.0. After plugging in your
iOS device, you may have to give your computer and device permission to
"trust" each other, then click the icon in the top left corner of iTunes for
managing your device.

>From here you can create a local backup to iTunes and transfer any purchases
not already saved to your computer. Even if your device is set to backup to
iCloud, you can still choose to do a 

Re: How does one attach a file to an email when the file is in a subfolder?

[gs]

This may depend on the view and steps you are using. The easiest way 
irrespective of those things may be to locate the file in Finder, copy to 
clipboard and paste it into the message.


On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:

Hi all,

How do I do this?  If I press enter or Command-O on the subfolder it attaches 
the folder rather than opening it so I can attach the file.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: How does one attach a file to an email when the file is in a subfolder?

[gs]

However, if you are attempting to attach the file using File/Attach file... 
then I would think Command Down Arrow should open the subfolder.

On Sep 16, 2015, at 8:08 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:

Oh, interesting.  that's one method I've never tried.  Thanks for the 
suggestion.
Cheers,
Donna
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:49 PM, gs <geoffsli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> This may depend on the view and steps you are using. The easiest way 
> irrespective of those things may be to locate the file in Finder, copy to 
> clipboard and paste it into the message.
> 
> 
> On Sep 16, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Donna Goodin <doniado...@me.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> How do I do this?  If I press enter or Command-O on the subfolder it attaches 
> the folder rather than opening it so I can attach the file.
> Cheers,
> Donna
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Re: How to type an accent for someone's name

[gs]

She's still around somewhere.

On Aug 30, 2015, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

Hello,

If your friend needs to type acute accent as in the example you mentioned, all 
he/she needs to do is type option+e followed by the letter over which an acute 
accent is needed.

Below I'm pasting a part of the message regarding typing various odd characters 
on mac keyboard without having to change keyboard layout nor use character 
pallet which one of our wonderful group members posted many years ago.  her 
name is Esther and she is sorely missed among us - personal opinion of mine, of 
course.  See the text below my name.

Andrew

This is a list of key  
combinations you can use to type special symbols on a regular Mac  
keyboard with the option key. It should work on any of Apple's English  
language input keyboards, except the default currency symbols are  
different for British keyboards (as noted).   To compose similar lists  
for keyboards in other languages, open TextEdit, hold down the option  
key, and try out various combinations of Shift, Command, and Fn while  
you press keys on your keyboard.  This is a by-product of figuring out  
ways to type accents for other languages -- both with and without  
changing input language keyboards.  It's not an exhaustive list.  This  
was assembled using a U.S. English input (laptop) keyboard, so all  
numbers are typed on the top row keys of the keyboard (no numpad  
entries).  Using these combinations, you can type in TextEdit and Mail  
and largely avoid having to use the character palette window.

Special Symbols and Characters on the regular Mac Keyboard

Categories:

1. Currency Symbols
2. Trademark and Copyright Symbols
3. Apple Symbol
4. Math and Greek Character Symbols
5. Copyediting, typesetting, and miscellaneous symbols
6. Punctuation marks: right and left quotation marks for English and  
other
languages; inverted punctuation marks for Spanish

Each entry gives the symbol followed by the descriptive name and the
keyboard combination to press for the symbol.  Additional comments
about context for symbol usage may follow (in parentheses).

Currency Symbols (in addition to $ = Shift+4)

¢  centsOption+4
£  poundOption+3 (on a British keyboard Option+3 is # -- the number
  or hash sign that is Shift+3 on U.S. keyboards, while Shift+3 is the
  pound sign)
¥  yen  Option+y
€  Euro Option+Shift+2 (on a British keyboard this is Option+2)

Trademark and Copyright Symbols

©  copyrightOption+g
®  registered   Option+r
™ trademark Option+2

Apple Symbol

  appleOption+Shift+K

Math and Greek Character Symbols

±  plus-or-minusOption+Shift+Equals (Shift+Equals is plus)
µ  micro sign   Option+m  (Greek letter mu), units of microns
π   pi  Option+p  (Greek letter pi)
√   square root Option+v
÷   divided by  Option+/ (slash is key to left of right-hand shift key)
·   middle dot  Option+Shift+9 (sign for multiplication)
≈   almost equals   Option+x
≠   not equals  Option+= (equals is key to right of delete key)
∞   infinityOption+5
≤   less than or equal  Option+comma (Shift+comma is the less than  
sign)
≥   greater than or equal   Option+period (Shift+period is greater  
than)
Å   Angstrom sign Option+Shift+a  (units of Angstroms)
∑  summation sign   Option+w
°   degree sign Option+Shift+8
∂   partial differentialOption+d (calculus)
∫   integralOption+b (calculus)

Copyediting, typesetting, and miscellaneous symbols

‡   double dagger   Option+Shift+7 (used for footnotes)
¶   pilcrow signOption+7 (marks paragraphs)
§   section signOption+6 (marks sections)
•   bullet sign Option+8 (marks list items)

Punctuation marks: right and left quotation marks for English and other
 languages; inverted punctuation marks for Spanish

‘   left single quotation mark  Option+right bracket
’   right single quotation mark Option+Shift+right bracket
“   left double quotation mark  Option+left bracket
”   right double quotation mark Option+Shift+left bracket
«   left pointing double angle quotation mark   Option+backslash
»   right pointing double angle quotation mark  Option+Shift+backslash
‹   single left pointing angle quotation mark   Option+Shift+3
›   single right pointing angle quotation mark  Option+Shift+4
¡   inverted exclamation mark   Option+1
¿   inverted question mark  Option+Shift+slash (Shift+/ is question  
mark)
…  ellipsis Option+semi-colon


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 Hey all,
 
 Here’s a question I never thought I would have. I have a friend who needs to 
 type an accent for someone’s name, for example Jose and I believe it would go 
 over the letter E, how do you do this? Thanks,
 
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Re: I discovered a new short cut today.

[gs]

Command Option L should certainly open the downloads folder from within Finder. 
Are you sure it did no work? 


On Aug 30, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Terje Strømberg terjestrmb...@gmail.com wrote:

Did not work here, but i found one too, wehn in sidepanel. vo focus on 
applications, if i hit command + L the lounchpad is under vo focus, vo + J 
brings keyboard to that focus. Same, if i am in sidepanel, focus on music, if i 
hit options + i it opens iTunes, vo + j brings keyboard to the focus. This one 
was a new one for me.

Take care

30. aug. 2015 kl. 14:14 skrev Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com:

Hi.

This morning I was using my Mac mini and was frustrated with it as the USB 
keyboard is different to the Bluetooth keyboard that I use with my I Mac.  I 
was trying to download VM Fusion to put on my Mac mini as I had initially put 
the downloaded file on my iCloud drive so that I could put the same file on my 
Mac mini, and I pressed option command L in finder and it opened my download 
folder.  Thought someone may find it useful if they are on the desk top.  
Option Command L puts you straight in to your downloads folder.

Kawal.

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Re: Saving messages within the messages program.

[gs]

Delete those you want to delete and the rest will be implicitly saved since you 
did not delete them. I guess I do not understand your question. If you know how 
to delete the messages you need to delete and you do not want to delete the 
others, then they are saved, are they not?



On Aug 22, 2015, at 3:37 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Stacey,
 
There might be a save option in the File menu.  I'm not totally sure.  One 
thing that you could do is bring up Text Edit, and over in Messages, find the 
message you want to keep, then vo+Shift+C on it to copy last phraise to 
clipboard.  Then, go over to Text Edit, and hit Command+V to paste.  I agree, 
there's probably gotta! be an easier way, but I'm just not totally sure.  
Again, I'd explore the File menu, as I'll becha, there might be something in 
there to do this.  I'm sorry, but I'm not on my mac right this second where I 
can look.  If you don't figure something else out though, let me know, and I'll 
try looking to see if I can come up with anything else.
 
Chris.
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 - Original Message - 
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 To: Macvisionaries mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2015 11:01 AM
 Subject: Saving messages within the messages program.
 
 Hi,
 I’ve got a whole bunch of conversations in my messages in my messages app.
 I would like to keep some,so how do I save what I want and clear the rest?
 Thanks,
 
 Blessings,
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Re: RSS Pipe Creation

[gs]

Haven't played with it yet because I didn't know it existed. But I will. There 
are other services that will try to create RSS feeds from sites that don't have 
RSS content. but I must admit that just at the time I was contemplated getting 
really into those, I found other solutions. This seems rather interesting so I 
will play with it. But if you are having trouble, I'm not encouraged.






On Aug 16, 2015, at 4:42 PM, Emilio Hernandez emilio.s.hernan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hello everyone,

This message deals with generating curated RSS pipes for easier consumption of 
specific news content.
I have tried using Yahoo Pipes, but I am not having much success with 
voiceover. Has anyone so far experience success when using Yahoo Pipes on the 
Macintosh?
Moreover, with the hope of generating a curated RSS pipe with specific content, 
does anyone have voiceover accessible suggestions for an alternative “yahoo 
pipe” complement?

Thanks for any help anyone can provide.

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Re: VMware and easy install?

[gs]

Go to the Microsoft Store to get the download. It should work fine with VMWare 
7 but I can't verify the easy installation still exists because I am using 
version 6.
On Aug 8, 2015, at 3:17 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:

Thanks.  Maybe it is just me.  I wonder if anyone knows of a way to get a copy 
of windows 8 as a download.   Btw.  If this is off topic, I apologize.

Matthew


 On Aug 8, 2015, at 12:19 PM, Anouk Radix radix.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi, That is weird, i recently installed windows 7 within fusion  7 and easy 
 install was where it always was so here it is working normally.
 Greetings, Anouk,
 On 08 Aug 2015, at 18:16, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi all.
 
 I have vmware fusion 7 and have notes that when trying to install a copy of 
 windows, that there is no longer an option to use the easy install.  I have 
 tried this with several windows versions.  Has this been removed in fusion 
 7?  If not, how do I unable this?  Thanks.
 
 
 Matthew
 
 
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Re: OS X beta.

[gs]

Chris,
Most of us have already reached our conclusions with regard to you. you are 
pathetically out of place on the list. We do not have a moderator but if we did 
you would have been reduced quite a while back. If this list doesn't achieve 
some sort of  of consistency soon, it will fall apart or cease to be a viable 
resource for Mac users. And Chris, you will be the main reason why. Stop to 
think about how you are destroying a valuable resource and put some sort of 
throttle on yourself. The shoeless wonder is not the problem and neither is 
Tyler or anyone else who occasionally expresses a little opinion. Get some 
psychological help and stop tormenting us. I'm reaching my limit and I'm hard 
to put off. Get the message and either go away or tone it down. If there is 
actually a moderator behind the curtain somewhere, feel free to remove me if 
you don't like what I say.





On Aug 7, 2015, at 6:33 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Actually, Ray, I don't know what to think of tylor.  One minute, he gripes at 
all of us, but then in another one of his posts, he says whether we like it or 
agree or not, NDA's NDA.  If Apple says you can't discuss it, then you can't.  
I just wish he'd make up his mind which way he flies, once and for all.
 
Chris.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Ray Foret Jr mailto:rforet7...@comcast.net
 To: Mac Visionaries List mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Friday, August 07, 2015 6:30 AM
 Subject: Re: OS X beta.
 
 Well, Chris, don't let Tylor's remark to me bother yuh.  It's just Tylor 
 being Tylor and trying to cope with the fact that he can't or won't accept 
 Apple's nice strict NDA.  People like that are why there's a delete key.  
 Mine's gotten a fair amount of use recently.
 
 
 Sincerely,
 The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac,
 the only computer with full accessibility for the blind built-in
 
 On Aug 7, 2015, at 5:25 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Tylor, was that really necessary?
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: Littlefield, Tyler ty...@tysdomain.com 
 mailto:ty...@tysdomain.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2015 7:06 PM
 Subject: Re: OS X beta.
 
 
 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
 Hash: SHA1
 
 Did you have to check a constantly barefooted box on the NDA
 agreement as well?
 On 8/6/2015 6:04 PM, Ray Foret Jr wrote:
 Got news for y'all.  public beta or not, it cannot be discussed.
 That's Apple's policy.  Just deal with it.  IF you really want to
 know, sign up for their public beta program and find out.  Y'all
 are really something else.
 
 
 Sincerely, The Constantly Barefooted Ray
 
 Still a happy Mac, Verizon Wireless iPhone 6+ and Apple TV user!
 
 Sent from my Mac, the only computer with full accessibility for the
 blind built-in
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 2:09 PM, Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net 
 mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net
 mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net mailto:sunsh...@abe.midco.net wrote:
 
 I agree with the person that  stated a public beta is a public
 beta, so that a person should be able to discuss the public beta
 of osx and the like why make it a public beta if they want nda as
 well, public beta means that public beta you should be able to
 discuss it with out havint to worry about things so public beta
 means no nda.
 
 On 8/6/2015 1:56 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland wrote:
 Diddo.
 
 Chris.
 
 
 - Original Message - *From:* Joe Quinn
 mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com *To:*
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.commacvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2015 12:24 PM
 *Subject:* Re: OS X beta.
 
 as I've said, and I remember responding to this exact
 question, so, rather than reply again, I'll just put my
 original reply below. It still stands. The only thing I'll say
 different is that if ya don't like, or have questions about,e
 Apple or their policies in reguards to beta software, contact
 them about it. :( it may not make sense, but that's the way it
 is. NDA, and all that. in spite of it being public, ya still
 can't talk about it publically. now if something's released
 about IOS 9 from apple, then it can be discussed. I think
 that's the same for things that're released elsewhere. for
 instance cool blind tech did an overview of what is going to be
 in iOS 9. maybe they shouldn't've done that, NDA again, but
 they did.
 
 
 On Aug 6, 2015, at 10:15 AM, Les Kriegler
 mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com 
 mailto:kriegle...@gmail.comkriegle...@gmail.com 
 mailto:kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Well, then that really doesn't make sense to me. How can you
 make something available to everybody and then swear
 everybody to secrecy.
 
 Sent from my 

Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!

[gs]

Love the scope of relevance bit. Quite polite.


On Jul 4, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Yuma Decaux jamy...@gmail.com wrote:


If you have an issue on the public release of yosemite, you can very well talk 
about it on this list. But you’re mentioning NDA so there’s no real way to 
figure whether someone can help since we aren’t getting the detail of the issue 
on the public yosemite release. Since this issue is not on el capitan, as you 
mention it, there’s no need to talk about it. But since it’s in a public 
yosemite release, what’s stopping you from talking about it, you dig?

In any case, if you aren’t sure about what you did while talking to Apple 
representatives, maybe you should consider figuring it out for yourself, as 
this is more of an existential or human interaction question you have after 
having done this. Think about it: if you spend a lot of time calling Apple 
instead of just filing a bug report, you’re only getting a potential support 
ticket sent to the engineers. If you report the bug through feedback assistant, 
it goes directly to their bug queuing system, which saves third parties moving 
the issue up the ladder, and will have someone on it, the more similar bug 
reports, the more important it will be flagged as being. I should mention that 
if you’re a developer, you don’t have unlimited direct call services. So you’re 
effectively depleting direct support in case you have a real issue with apps 
you’re developing.

As in for you feeling bad about contacting apple, this is something out of my 
scope of relevance.



 On 5/07/2015, at 8:45 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The issue is, I have el Capitan on one of my macs.  The mac however which I 
 was experiencing the problem with was not on El Capitan.  It's on Yosemite.  
 Not the public beta though.
  
 What I was saying is, I knew that the problem I was facing had been addressed 
 in El Capitan, but I was unaware that it had been broken in Yosemite.  So, on 
 my Yosemite system, when I couldn't perform the function in question, I 
 called Apple Accessibility Support to see if maybe there was something I was 
 missing.  After trouble shooting on my Yosemite system, it was determined 
 that this was an issue which is broken in Yosemite.  i was trying to say, I 
 was put in an awquard position because I couldn't really say anything about 
 El Capitan having the issue fixed.  For that reason, the rep I spoke with 
 said he was going to send a request to engineering to see, in Yosemite, if 
 there was anything we missed.
  
 In the back of my head, I knew! the issue already had! been fixed with El 
 Capitan, as I don't experience this problem over there.  I was saying, I felt 
 really bad that this poor guy spent his time submitting that ticket, when the 
 issue already had been addressed in a future release.  I just couldn't say, 
 wait, sir, stop.  It's ok, I'll just wait things out.  It's fixed in El 
 Capitan.  I just didn't know if you knew a way to do this over here in 
 Yosemite.  
  
 Honestly, Had I known in the first place that it wasn't working correctly in 
 Yosemite, I never would have called them to start with.  I would have just 
 waited things out.  I was more just under the impression that maybe in 
 Yosemite, the steps to achieve the process were a little different. I didn't 
 realize it indeed was an issue there, and so the reason for my call was to 
 ascertain if that was indeed the case.  Was! it really broken, or did I just 
 not understand how to do it.  It was only then, through that call that I 
 found out this has been an ongoing issue.  By the time I knew this though, 
 the guy was already writing up a report to engineering.
  
 Does that make more sense?
  
 Chris.
 - Original Message - 
 From: Yuma Decaux mailto:jamy...@gmail.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2015 5:52 PM
 Subject: Re: Boy did I get myself in a predicament earlier today!
 
 You mentioned having an issue with Yosemite. Read your own text below:
 
 I'd be curious how you all would a handled this.  I was trying to do 
 something in Yosemite earlier today.  I can't really go into the 
 specifics of what.  You'll know why in a second
 
 So I gave you a response in context with yosemite. But now you’re saying 
 you’re using el capitan. 
 
 Where’s the confusion here?
 
  I’m just giving you some pointers. 
 
 
 
 On 5/07/2015, at 7:23 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 mailto:clgillan...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The reason I called Accessibility was because I am not running the beta of 
 Yosemite, only that of El Capitan, therefore, I should be covered with 
 their support.  Second off, I didn't know if this was a bug, or if it was 
 just me not knowing what I was doing.  Thirdly, it generally takes 
 engineering a while to write back.  In my case, I needed to try getting an 
 answer as quickly as 

Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*

[gs]

Best bet is to just use Windows and a Windows screen reader to complete your 
resume and application process on USAJOBS.
On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Eileen eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi Christine,

About 3 years ago, I tried to apply for a position in the VA system. I had a 
difficuls time uploading and filling out the online application. I had my 
husband look at it and help me, but even he had problems with it and he's fully 
sighted. I decided to forget it, as the Federal government made the process so 
impossible to apply. I do know of one individual who is a high partial who 
managed to complete the application process, but had indicated to me that it 
was extremely hard to get it completed and she is in the assistive technology 
field. I know that the Federal government should be taken to task on this. I 
know I haven't been much assistance, only to know that there are others in the 
same boat as you. The positions I have attempted to apply for will only accept 
online applications. It's a pity because there are many of us who would make 
excellent employees and are qualified for the jobs they post.

Good luck and if I hear more tips on how to apply for a Federal position, I'll 
pass them on to you.

Best,
Eileen

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com 
mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear All:
 I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have 
 tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job 
 on a federal government website specifically for that purpose.
 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and 
 either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I 
 had to hit “reload page”.
 In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would 
 not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with 
 a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten 
 through.)  I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my 
 account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and 
 the correct one was selected.
 
 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but 
 had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded 
 to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one 
 selected.  Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process.
 
 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out 
 the application.  It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a 
 message to check my status for updates.  When I checked my status, it said 
 “Received”.  However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and 
 this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found.
 
 So:
 a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially 
 interested in hearing from anyone who used 
 usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically.
 
 b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular 
 I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the 
 Help desk?
 C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com 
 http://monster.com/.  Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a 
 compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari 
 was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. 
 Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and 
 refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a 
 different browser.
 I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for 
 each and every federal job application, things are going to become very 
 tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not 
 be able to do this with commonly used technology.
 
 Thanks so much in advance. 
 Christine
 
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Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*

[gs]

I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the 
USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user 
agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that 
closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a 
reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want 
are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We 
need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the 
future.

I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure 
federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases 
they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or 
early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you 
choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each 
issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough 
forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may 
never enjoy.




On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

Dear All:
I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have 
tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job 
on a federal government website specifically for that purpose.
1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and 
either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I 
had to hit “reload page”.
In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not 
go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a 
Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten 
through.)  I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my 
account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and 
the correct one was selected.

2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but 
had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to 
my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one 
selected.  Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process.

3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out 
the application.  It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a 
message to check my status for updates.  When I checked my status, it said 
“Received”.  However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and 
this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found.

So:
a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially 
interested in hearing from anyone who used 
usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically.

b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I 
should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help 
desk?
C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com 
http://monster.com/.  Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a 
compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari 
was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. 
Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and 
refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a 
different browser.
I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each 
and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very 
fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do 
this with commonly used technology.

Thanks so much in advance. 
Christine

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Re: el capitan

[gs]

Christopher-Mark -
Have you caught anybody yet and reported them? If I received information that 
someone had downloaded a torrent of the beta version of the operating system 
and subsequently installed it, how would I go about reporting it? Any help you 
can give me is truly appreciated as I think I know someone who has violated the 
law.

If you are not normally so prideful and strict, what has caused the vigilance 
with regard to Apple and your admirable dedication to such a rigorous ethical 
position? I'm only curious as I recently saw a discussion where you seemed to 
have some doubts related to your ability to report issues to Apple.

Out of curiosity, I wonder if you could explain what you mean by your statement 
that Apple is one of the few things for which you will not bend your policy (I 
assume this is the proud and strict policy). Do you mean that it is acceptable 
to pirate software developed by companies other than Apple?
 How did you develop this discriminatory viewpoint? It would be quite 
instructive to know the other things, the very few instances, 
where you will not bend this policy.

I hate to come across as a butt, but I'm frankly getting tired of wading 
through this garbage.


On Jun 14, 2015, at 1:17 AM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

I dono, but the bottom line is that's illegal, and being I'm a dev, I'm legally 
obligated to reporting anyone who I catch doing this.  Normally, I'm not so 
prideful nor strict with things like this, however, Apple is one of the very 
few things I will *not!* bend this policy on under any circumstances!
 
But yes, you probably would most likely void updates, however updates should be 
the least! of your worries.
 
Chris.
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Shawn Krasniuk mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2015 10:13 PM
 Subject: Re: el capitan
 
 Wouldn't downloading El Capitan through Torrent void any software updates it 
 may have in the future?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
 On Jun 13, 2015, at 4:57 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com 
 mailto:shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 No, but you can torrent the current beta from your favorite site for free.
 
 On 6/13/2015 9:59 PM, Krysti .Power wrote:
 Does anyone know the release date for the public beta 
 On Jun 8, 2015 8:32 PM, sadamahmed1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Ricardo, 
 
 Thanks for confirming. 
 
 Looking forward to downloading. 
 
 Regards, 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
 -- 
 
 
 
 On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:58 am, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com 
 mailto:rwalker...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 
 They will be available in the public beta program in July.
 
 hth
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:49 PM, sadam ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Is iOS 9 and the next version of OS X available to download as part of 
 the public beta program? 
 
 Totally missed the stream. 
 
 It was being streamed at some disgusting time like  3 AM in Australia. 
 
 Sadam Ahmed 
 
 Certificate IV in International Trade 
 
 Vocational College of Business 
 
 RMIT University 
 
 LinkedIn: 
 
 https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
 https://au.linkedin.com/pub/sadam-ahmed/ 
 
 https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
  
 https://www.rmit.edu.au/about/our-education/academic-colleges/college-of-business/
  
 
 Sent using OS X Mail 
 
 
 
 
 On 9 Jun 2015, at 8:43 am, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com 
 mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out 
 that Alex doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting 
 back on topic, glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. 
 I missed WWDC today so did they say when the public will be able to 
 beta test it? I know we get the beta for iOS 9in July but what about El 
 Capitan?
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com 
 mailto:geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will 
 work on all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com 
 mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan 
 beta automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern 
 is will I be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I 
 heard on Twitter, it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics 
 engine or something like that. So is this the end of the line for me? 
 Yosemite I mean.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera 
 dionip...@gmail.com mailto:dionip...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
 On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel topdog2

Re: el capitan

[gs]

The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will work on 
all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is will I be 
able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, it 
sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something like that. 
So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
 On 08 Jun 2015, at 10:28 pm, Daniel topdog2...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
 
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Re: el capitan

[gs]

I do not recall them saying exactly when the public beta would be available. 
There is a lot of speculation about it and I think the assumption is some time 
in July.

On Jun 8, 2015, at 6:43 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

I just found something out which maybe Apple might fix. I found out that Alex 
doesn't know how to say El Capitan properly lol. But getting back on topic, 
glad to know that I'll be able to use it on this thing. I missed WWDC today so 
did they say when the public will be able to beta test it? I know we get the 
beta for iOS 9in July but what about El Capitan?

Shawn
Sent from my White MacBook



 On Jun 8, 2015, at 4:48 PM, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The way I understood the situation is that iOS 9 and El Capitan will work on 
 all hardware supported by iOS 8 and Yosemite.
 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 5:34 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Wouldn't we beta testers get permission to download the El Capitan beta 
 automatically? That's really not my main concern, my main concern is will I 
 be able to run it on my mid 2010 white MacBook? From what I heard on Twitter, 
 it sounds like El Capitan has an advanced graphics engine or something like 
 that. So is this the end of the line for me? Yosemite I mean.
 
 Shawn
 Sent from my White MacBook
 
 
 
 On Jun 8, 2015, at 3:30 PM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 ok, thanks, i'll just have to wait to request again. :)
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 Probably so. Not a hundred percent sure.
 
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Re: How to Use FaceBook Messenger on Mac OS X via Messages App | OSXDaily

[gs]

Go to http://facebook.com/username http://facebook.com/username and login and 
check to see if your username is set (probably is). If so, you will learn your 
username there and maybe change it if you like.

On Jun 4, 2015, at 6:41 PM, Caitlyn Furness caitlyn.furn...@gmail.com wrote:

This is great..
OK, for my stupid question of the day, how do I figure out what my facebook 
user name is?  I know my log in credentials, so would it just be the same as 
the user name or log in email?  I have no idea what my profile name is!
Thanks, I am new to FB and all the ins and outs of using it!
Caitlyn

 On Jun 4, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com 
 mailto:shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Yes, but it has been deprecated.
 
 
 On 6/4/2015 4:04 PM, Traci wrote:
 Is this the same as Facebook chat that people were looking for? Interesting 
 article.
 
 Tips  Tricks http://osxdaily.com/category/tips-tricks/
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 How to Use FaceBook Messenger on Mac OS X via Messages App
 
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  Facebook Messenger is a popular means of communicating, but the Mac doesn’t 
 have a dedicated Facebook messaging app like the iPhone or Android does… or 
 does it!?! Indeed, you can use Facebook Messenger to message friends from OS 
 X, and in moments you can set up the Mac Messages app to function as a 
 Facebook Messenger client in OS X.
 
 Using Facebook Messenger from the Mac is really quite simple, but it’s 
 entirely separate from configuring Facebook sharing from the Mac 
 http://osxdaily.com/2012/09/25/set-up-facebook-mac-os-x/, so if you have 
 done one but not the other, you’d need to complete both to have the full 
 Facebook functions of sharing, posting, and messaging available to you in OS 
 X.
 
 
 How to Add Facebook Messenger to Messages in OS X
 
 This basically turns your Messages app into a full fledged Mac Facebook 
 Messenger client, you’ll be set up in just a few seconds with these 
 instructions:
 
 Open the Messages app on the Mac if you haven’t done so yet
 
 
 Pull down the “Messages” menu and choose “Add Account…”
 
 
 From the message account screen, choose “Other messages account…” and click 
 on “Continue”
 
 
 Pull down the menu next to “Account Type” and select ‘Jabber’ from the list
 In “Account Name” enter your Facebook account user name as follows: 
 yourusern...@chat.facebook.com mailto:yourusern...@chat.facebook.com (a 
 Facebook username is whatever your Facebook profile 
 URL is, for example: ‘www.facebook.com/your_name_here’ 
 http://www.facebook.com/your_name_here%E2%80%99 the username would be 
 “your_name_here” and the account name would then be 
 your_name_h...@chat.facebook.com mailto:your_name_h...@chat.facebook.com)
 Enter your Facebook account password in the password field, this is the same 
 one you use to login to Facebook from the web or the apps
 
 
 Ignore all other settings and choose “Create” – this will setup Facebook 
 messaging client and in a moment you’ll see your Facebook Friends list 
 populate as a buddy list, complete with friend names and friend profile 
 pictures
 
 
 Message anyone in the list as usual, the conversations are going through 
 Facebook Messenger
 
 
 If you’re on a Mac, the ability to have Facebook Messenger conversations 
 right in the Messages app of OS X is really quite nice, the conversations 
 will appear alongside other text messages 
 http://osxdaily.com/2014/12/17/send-receive-text-messages-mac-os-x-sms-relay/
  and iMessages, Google Chat, Yahoo Messenger, or AOL / AIM communications.
 
 Once you have Facebook Messenger added to Messages, you will be 
 automatically logged into Facebook Messenger when the Messages app opens. To 
 log out of Facebook Messenger in Messages, simply pull down the “Messages” 
 menu item and choose “Log out of chat.facebook.com 
 http://chat.facebook.com/” – similarly, you can log in that way as well.
 
 You can access the Facebook Friends buddy list at any time from the 
 “Windows” menu item in Messages app, where you can also set your status to 
 be online or offline, or away.
 
 
 
 This certainly beats having a web browser window open to Facebook.com 
 http://facebook.com/ on a Mac, and if you have set up Facebook posts and 
 sharing in OS X http://osxdaily.com/2012/09/25/set-up-facebook-mac-os-x/ 
 you now have much of the Facebook functionality right in OS X without having 
 to go to the website to talk to friends, share stuff, or post status updates.
 
 What if you don’t have Messages for OS X? All modern Macs should, but if 
 you’re using an 

Radium

[gs]

Does anyone know if there is a way, with Radium, to categorize favorites? I 
really am getting quite tired of having to wade through a long list of 
favorites if there is a visually equivalent way to better organize them. Radium 
is not a good alternative, as I have probably posted here before. But I have 
not given up on it quite yet because of iCloud. Still, it's really not being 
updated with accessibility considerations and I'll be happy if something else 
comes along that better fits the bill.

I still love ooTunes for the iPhone because of the ability to organize 
favorites.

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Re: Accessible Audio Player for Mac other than Cog?

[gs]

And VLC does so much. I would encourage anyone to consider it before buying 
anything at all. VLC is quite  good.


On May 17, 2015, at 6:00 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Thanks for the suggestion.  I do however want to clarify that VLC can do this 
as well, so it's really a user preference.

Chris.

- Original Message - From: Jeff Greene greenebo...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 5:27 PM
Subject: Re: Accessible Audio Player for Mac other than Cog?


Hi Another one you can try is mplayer x! Its free in the mac app store. The 
thing I like about it is you can select a whole folder of music/audio books etc 
and mplayer x will just go and play them all.
Jeff

 On May 17, 2015, at 5:21 PM, Christopher-Mark Gilland clgillan...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I agree with you Chris.  There are tons of things I've wanted to listen to, 
 but absolutely did not? not, not! want in my ITunes.  Therefore, VLC came in 
 to the picture at a priceless value.
 
 Chris.
 
 - Original Message - From: christopher hallsworth 
 challswor...@icloud.com
 To: macvisionaries macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 3:48 PM
 Subject: Re: Accessible Audio Player for Mac other than Cog?
 
 
 Well yeah, for playing audio at least. Never liked the idea of iTunes adding 
 audio to its library before you have a chance to listen. I mean, what if you 
 don't want that audio in its library? But hey that's Apple and iTunes for 
 you. No rant; just saying.
 On 17 May 2015, at 20:09, Jim Gatteys jgatt...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I really like VLC.  I'd rather use it than iTunes.
 Jim
 
 On May 17, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Shaf shafpa...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 VLC looks perfect. Thanks so much, works awesome.
 
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Re: On behalf of a non-member, Some exciting news and a description if possible.

[gs]

The USB C is not on the Macbook Pro.

On May 12, 2015, at 2:27 PM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

Morning everyone!

First off, this might be a long E-mail So my apologies.

I’ve got some exciting news to tell you all.
Yesterday I ordered with the help of Neil my brother a new 13 inch Mac Book Pro.
Check this out for a laptop.
8GB of RAM I think it is a quad core processor but not sure and a 128 GB hard 
drive in it.

Will keep you updated on my progress with it when I receive it tomorrow.

Now before I sign off, can I possibly have your help.
On my current Macbook, which is from 2008 my charger is set up where there is a 
big square block, with the mains plug at one end and the other end which plugs 
into the Macbook by a magnet. Not sure what that part is called though.

But before I went down this new Macbook route, my friend and Apple geek John 
Haill who I’ve known from school gave me a warning.
He said be very careful because on the latest model of Macbook Apple have 
removed the magnet part of the charger and done something different.
So my question to you all is do you know what the latest charger is like? 
Asking so that when I get it tomorrow I can manage with it.

I did tell Neil my brother when I received the warning off John Haill, but he’s 
probably forgotten because he is in the Army.
So I think that by accident I might have the 2014 model. Nothing I can do now 
though as it has been paid for.

Thanks very much, I look forward to any responses.
If anyone wants to E-mail off list, please use the following address:
garypric...@icloud.com

Anyway hope you like my news.
Will update you all either tomorrow or Wednesday.

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Re: My Podcast on the OS X Calendar

[gs]

I have certainly experienced this bug and still do experience it. I assume it 
is only problematic for people who have multiple calendars but that may be a 
faulty assumption.
On May 7, 2015, at 1:53 AM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi Alex,

Haven’t heard your podcast on AppleVis yet, but there is a bug with Calendar 
which you might like to take into account when doing any future podcasts on 
Calendar.

When in month view, VoiceOver does not detect or announce some calendar events 
either when on a day of the month or when interacting with that day.

I reported the bug to Apple and they confirmed it and said they are working on 
a fix.

Strangely, the bug only seems to affect some Macs, and on the Macs it affects 
it only affects some calendar events and not others, and comes and goes 
depending on which calendars are enabled on that mac. Also, when the bug is 
present, VoiceOver will sometimes detect and announce the event if you navigate 
to it using the tab key or the arrow keys alone (with Quick Nav turned off), 
even though it won’t detect it when navigating with the VO keys.

One work around can be to switch the calendar into week view, where all events 
are read, but even this seems to only work on some Macs.

 On 7 May 2015, at 4:05 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi list,
 I know some of you have been asking questions about the calendar app on the 
 Mac. The way you add appointments is confusing, there's no way to review a 
 list of events, how do you get to a particular day, and so on. I'm happy to 
 say that I've just made an audio demo of all these features, doing my best to 
 answer your questions. It's part of the AppleVis podcast, so if you're 
 already subscribed to that, you'll see it quite soon. If not, here's the link:
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/introduction-calendar-application-mac-os-x
  
 http://www.applevis.com/podcast/episodes/introduction-calendar-application-mac-os-x
 
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Re: bootcamp

[gs]

Is there something I'm missing here?
Boot camp is not VM 7.

On May 2, 2015, at 3:52 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:

Iso file off the usb and put it on the desktop of your mac and then install 
from vm 7.  This way you can find the file and open it when v m ask you where 
is the file
 
V m is not fully compatable to read usb sticks until it has a operating system 
to read usb’s i.e. windowsTake  the 
 
From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of Krysti .Power
Sent: Saturday, May 02, 2015 12:15
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: bootcamp
 
hello everyone my name is Krysti and I have a genuine copy of windows 8.1 pro 
and wanted to bootcamp my mac for the work i'm doing for my friends business 
(currently using vm fusion 7 pro) but when I tried to do it the last time it 
wouldn't work it kept giving me drivers not found error I was trying to install 
from usb what would everyone suggest I do I bought it via iso file any help 
would be great thanks again Krysti 
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Radium

[gs]

Well, although I stated a little while ago that pressing the button in Radium 
would get one's favorite stations, it doesn't seem to work at this point.

I truly wish that an app that is rather accessible would elect to remain that 
way.

Radium for Mac OS X is a mess at this point.



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Re: Screen Curtain Not Working Sometimes

[gs]

I have tested this very little but did happen to have this problem once with 
screen curtain. The only difference for me is that screen curtain stayed active 
even when I disabled it. I had to restart the iPhone to fix it. This was very 
problematic when I was trying to scan a bar code and thinking the screen was 
visible when in fact it was not.



On Apr 30, 2015, at 9:09 PM, Nicholas Parsons mr.nicholas.pars...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi list,

It seems screen curtain is not working for me sometimes. VoiceOver announces 
screen curtain on as if everything’s fine, but in fact the screen is still on. 
If the screen’s brightness is set to maximum, I can tell if it’s on or not. The 
issue only appears to happen sometimes, however, and I’m not sure under what 
circumstances it’s not working.

This seems to be happening on both my Mac (running OS X 10.10.3) and iOS 
(running iOS 8.3). However, I’m not as confident about my iPhone as it’s much 
harder for me to tell whether the screen is on.

Obviously this is a difficult issue for VoiceOver users to test, but would be 
grateful if any others can test whether screen curtain is sometimes not working 
for them.

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Re: ReadKit RSS app not clearing all read items?

[gs]

Well, this won't be of much help to you and I apologize for that.

I had some sort of problem when I had ReadKit set to view all articles and 
tried to mark all read.  It seemed that with articles set to view all and when 
trying to mark as read, something didn't go quite right.  I admit I did not pay 
enough attention at the time to know if the problem I experienced is similar to 
yours. I'll pay closer attention next time.

Also, it helps to do a refresh (Command R) before exiting ReadKit if you know 
you may next use Lire to view articles. I don't know if there is some setting 
in ReadKit to trigger a refresh on exit. If so, I don't have it set and wish I 
did. I have been taking the lazy way out and refreshing before exit.



On Apr 27, 2015, at 10:19 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi all,
I regularly use Lire on iOS and ReadKit on OS X to read my RSS feeds. The way I 
have things set, any article I read (or mark as read) gets cleared, so that 
when I open either app, only articles that are new will appear. However, 
ReadKit has randomly decided to hang on to a bunch of articles, and the clear 
read items command that has, in the past, cleared all the read items, is 
suddenly clearing all read items except these. It's not a huge problem, and 
Lire is re-downloading these items, it's just kind of strange. Has anyone run 
into this, and is there a way I can clear these articles? I use Feedly to sync 
things behind the scenes, if that matters. Thanks.

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Re: Major trouble with internet: Warning: not for the basic user!

[gs]

This list may not be the best forum to get a definitive response with regard to 
a specific network question like this. Instead of the condescending attitude, 
just go to the proper forum and narrow your question sufficiently.
 Work on the narrative skills and get down the the issue.
You are obviously doing something wrong and not considering something with 
regard to the configuration. I've seen similar dilemmas but it's been a while 
and network bridging can be tricky, especially with something like an A/v 
receiver where one may not have ultimate control over how it decides to 
connect. I have more experience with these situations with Windows than with 
the Mac. And , of course, it may be that there is no solution.

I admit I've read this with quite a lack of diligence and really have not 
focused on the specific issue because it seems quite like a comedy
 the way it's presented.

I'm sure there are list subscribers who have the knowledge to solve the issue 
if it indeed can be solved. What I'm getting to is your housing/office 
situation is quite irrelevant. It takes us rewriting the issue in order to 
narrow it to the point that we can even start to consider the real problem. 
Many may not have the patience and can possibly not duplicate your scenario. 
Maybe seeking a more specialized forum will help. Not that it hurts posting 
here but without all the condescension.

Not trying to be all that harsh here but you seem to be hypersensitive to the 
reactions you're getting. There's a reason why.



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wrote:

Jeff, that would work, but the issue is, then, the receiver only would have LAN 
access.  I need a way to get not just LAN access to the receiver, but it also 
needs to have specifically internet access, and with the way my office is 
designed architecturally speaking, there is no way I could gain internet access 
via ethernet without running cables along the ceiling, which isn't allowed.  
And please do not tell me then get another office.  I'm sorry, but the poster 
who said that was totally out of line.
 
Here's the thing.  Your suggestion is great, but correct me if I am wrong.  If 
I plug the ethernet cable from the Airport Express you suggested to the 
receiver, that would then connect the receiver via a LAN, and give it a private 
local area network IP.  But then, I'd need a way to connect the WAN port of the 
Extreme to the internet, which would mean connecting an ethernet cord from the 
modem to the extreme, right?  Well, if so, that isn't gonna happen.  The modem 
is on the same desk as my router which has to be sitting across the room from 
the receiver.  There's just no other way to do this, but to network bridge.
 
Chris.

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Re: Well, I did it, Pre-ordered the Apple watch!

[gs]

I guess this is a very wise way to look at things with regard to the 14 days. I 
just can't see myself getting too much use from it as others have said. I keep 
my phone in my shirt pocket within easy reach and earpods around my neck. I 
don't like the way the blue tooth headsets I have tried work with VO and just 
don't see how having something on my wrist is really going to make that much 
difference. Maybe I'm off track on this. For visual users I do understand it 
though.


On Apr 18, 2015, at 4:22 PM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

I had a chance to go into an Apple store this morning, so decided to take a 
look at the Apple watch.  I was very interested in it, but not sure what I 
would think, based on the mixed reviews I've seen.  It was hard to tell much 
because they weren't able to demo voiceover, but I liked the form factor, and 
thought the stuff I was hearing from the video demo was pretty cool.  Since I 
have fourteen days to return it if I don't like it, I decided to go ahead and 
pre-order one.  I just got the aluminum sports model, because I figure it's 
highly likely that I'll want to upgrade when newer generations are released, so 
didn't see the sense in shelling out the extra $200.  Looking forward to its 
arrival and getting to actually put it through its paces.
Cheers,
Donna

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Re: Eloquence for the Mac.

[gs]

Hmm. When you tried it, it worked but you are no longer using it yet you wish 
it was supported. This is confusing. I don't want to waste the time with it if 
it really isn't useable. However, I do enjoy Eloquence and if it really worked 
well, I would use it exclusively on the Mac OS.


On Apr 17, 2015, at 1:27 AM, sadam Ahmed sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:

When I tried it a couple of months ago it worked okay. 

I wish Apple acctually supported this synth officially. 

Kind regards,  

Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 

B.A. Business Information Systems 

RMIT University 
   

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 On 17 Apr 2015, at 2:51 pm, Joe Quinn jdawg1...@gmail.com 
 mailto:jdawg1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't think this will be doable because I can't  get the wine.app.  Anybody 
 have it? Even when I go to the homepage, the download link for the wine app 
 don't seem to exist. And the one that is in the README file simply isn't 
 found.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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 mailto:sadamahmed1...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 The file is at: 
 
 http://allinaccess.com/software/ http://allinaccess.com/software/ 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
 Sent from my iPhone 
 
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 On 17 Apr 2015, at 11:28 am, Debbie April Yuille 
 debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au mailto:debbiey1...@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
 How would you go about running eloquence on the Mac? I wasn't aware that 
 was possible.
 
 Debbie
 
 Sent from my PC
 
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 Subject: Eloquence for the Mac.
 
 I know there are ways of running the above synthesiser on a Mac. 
 
 But it's horribly unstable. 
 
 Putting aside the Infovox voices are there any text to speech products that 
 can be used on OS X that rival eloquence for responsiveness? 
 
 Kind regards, 
 
 Sadam Mohammed Ahmed 
 
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Radium favorites update

[gs]

Well I thought I should let anyone interested know that whomever posted with 
the advice to press the unlabeled button and then use VO Command T to move to 
the table of favorites was on the right track.

Although it kind of defies logic that this would work, it seems to do so. I 
can't even find the table of favorites otherwise, but after pressing the 
unlabeled button and being forced up to the top of the window then pressing VO 
Command T seems to move one directly to the table of favorites. I am unable to 
get to the table any other way but I hope it reinforces the help for those who 
need it.

I can't say that I am completely mollified but at least there is something that 
seems to work.

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Radium problem with favorites

[gs]

I didn't pay attention to the person having a problem accessing 
favorites in Radium until I tested and determined that I am having the same 
problem. There appears to be no  way to access favorites with the latest 
update. With the prior update, One could press the unlabeled button when the 
categories were showing and it would switch to favorites.  Now, that appears 
not to work.

I actually have not been as impressed as some others seem to be with Radium and 
its accessibility. I prefer to be able to access folders and save stations in a 
more accessible method than just having a list of favorites with no way to sort 
or categorize them.
 I have lots of favorites and they don't tend to work too well in one list. I 
think I may go back to ooTunes minus the ability to sync between Mac and 
iPhone. Kind of breaks my heart but I need reliability. It seems that the most 
recent  updates to Radium have been inconsiderate of some of the more basic 
requirements of accessible apps. Also, it seems that many of the stations are 
not kept up to date and the links are bad. I'm quite unimpressed with Radium 
right now. I need something more functional.




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Re: Is Smart Converter accessible?

[gs]

When I access the link you provided with Safari and then press the button to 
play an audio CAPTCHA, the thing repeats indefinitely and is a quite audible 
four digit number. I did not try to figure out exactly how it works but it 
appears to be quite accessible without any additional conversion.



On Apr 7, 2015, at 8:16 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote:

I am having a truly annoying problem. I am trying to access services on 
the web site of the New York Unified Court System, but each and every thing it 
offers requires input of capcha characters. The “listen to characters” option 
is not working. I tried downloading the file manually, but was told I had no 
application which could open it. I searched the app store and it provided one 
option: Smart Converter, but I am suspecting either that it only converts the 
file from sound back to video, or that it is inaccessible. It tells me to 
select a conversion type, but I can find no list. It says check box about five 
times, also says “five seconds” and then says “choose conversion type” but it 
is dimmed. I really need to access this site. Help is sincerely appreciated.
Here is a link to the Attorney Search as an example, but this is happening for 
everything I try to do on the site:
http://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/attorney/AttorneySearch



Christine

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Re: Some Success with Calendar on the Mac.

[gs]

I'm not having any problems entering all the information for calendar entries 
either. The problem I do have is with multiple calendars when I navigate 
through the events, some are not announced.  I think I saw a post from someone 
else a while back confirming this kind of behavior.  Nevertheless, it makes the 
calendar very suspect and not nearly as useful as it needs to be.  I come from 
Outlook for Windows and have really transitioned completely to the Mac and am 
finding that it is quite lacking in some ways with regard to the calendar. 
Although it works well on the iPhone, it would be nice if it was a little more 
consistent and less quirky with VO on Mac OS.

I think your problems with entering the appointments are likely resolvable if 
someone can figure out exactly where things are going wrong.

On Mar 23, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

Not sure why you got stuck there.  At the moment, I’ve turned off my other 
calendars so that I only have one that I’m putting appointments into,.  This 
also means that I can hide the Calendar list which is where you appear to have 
got stuck.  Locations work fine for me and I’ve seen no reason to think that 
Calendar on the Mac is broken at all.  I’d have to have an actual step by step 
commentary of your process to determine where the problems are arising for you.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Mar 23, 2015, at 17:07, Kawal Gucukoglu kgli...@icloud.com wrote:

Hello.

Today, I set up an appointment on the Mac but had to edit some of the details 
using my I phone 6 Plus.  I created the even in the way Tim explained on this 
list some time ago.  But when i came to set up alert number two, it went to the 
toolbar and there was a calendar sources table and a vertical splitter to the 
right of that table.  I could not get out of that table so I closed the 
calendar and had to edit the same event using my I phone.  Also when I tried to 
put a location in as I had put the same location in using my I phone as the 
iPhone found the correct address, there was no such thing on the Mac.  All in 
All, the calendar on the I phone is much easier to use.  Perhaps the calendar 
on the Mac is broken somewhat?

Kawal.

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Re: RSS Reader with Great Instapaper Support

[gs]

Does not support the one I use either but I'm going to have to seriously 
consider switching because I think Feedly is probably a more compatible option 
at this point. Leaning more toward Lire for iPhone right now over Feeddler 
although that may really not be the case. I'm just really dissatisfied with 
everything. Lire certainly supports Feedly.  And since the web interface for 
Bazqux is so bad, it's probably time to move away from it anyway.  I'm getting 
kind of tired of Vienna as well. I do like Vienna but am really not happy with 
the ability to get things into a convenient readable format from Vienna and 
recent builds have caused the interface to be a little more sluggish than I 
prefer.

Guess I can justify the $10 with the move away from Bazqux since it's the same 
price per year.  I just hope I like ReadKit enough to stay with it.

Anybody else have any comparison between ReadKit and Vienna?

Thus far, I have not objected to paying for Bazqux because it is rock solid and 
fast.

I've been really busy with work and have not had the chance to properly 
investigate this. Does anyone know why Feeddler is not properly opening 
articles in full text mode for many RSS feeds? I assume I am remembering 
correctly that it uses Instapaper as a mobilizer.  Is Instapaper the problem?

I only hope I can get something that moves me back to efficient news processing 
soon. I don't have a premium Instapaper account and don't particularly want to 
pay for it unless there is a reason to do so.


Is there not a trial version of ReadKit?



On Mar 7, 2015, at 12:27 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

Got it thanks. It's a bummer it doesn't support the RSS service I use but I 
will have to switch I guess.
Jonathan Mosen
Mosen Consulting
Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 On 8/03/2015, at 5:44 am, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com 
 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Sure. I forgot to say that the app is in the App Store, not hosted on its own 
 website. It's ReadKit, all one word.
 On Mar 7, 2015, at 11:01 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Thanks Alex, I'm happy to deal with the quirky set-up if I can get the 
 sharing going at the press of a button, so will check it out.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
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 mailto:mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Readkit is my favorite. I don't read RSS on the Mac often, but it's great 
 for when I do. Getting to articles can be slightly more work than I'd 
 prefer, but sharing is great. You can just log into your Instapaper, 
 Pocket, Readability, or other accounts, then choose the shortcut to use. 
 For instance, if I'm on a story and hit cmd-shift-i, the article goes to 
 Instapaper. In the app's preferences, you can set most shortcuts to 
 whatever you want. Oddly, the Shortcuts tab has nothing for read later 
 hotkeys, you have to go to the Sharing tab and choose your account from the 
 table, then set the hotkey in there. Despite the strange setup, though, it 
 works very well. Needless to say, the app is accessible.
 
 Back to opening articles. I'm used to Lire, which automagically grabs the 
 full text of articles, even if you'd normally get just a preview and have 
 to click through. You can get a similar experience in Readkit by hitting G 
 (to view with Readability) sometimes. Other times, you must click through 
 no matter what.
 
 Despite this, the overall experience is quite good. The app does cost a few 
 dollars, but the customization is great and it's very easy to use. It even 
 supports reading your saved Instapaper or Pocket articles if you have 
 premium service on your read later account of choice.
 On Mar 7, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I really like the way Night Owl handles Instapaper. Once 
 you've set it up, you press one command, command+E, to send the text of an 
 article whose link is in a tweet to Instapaper. It's really efficient.
 Now I'm wondering if I can get the same simplicity for sending articles to 
 Instapaper with an RSS reader in OS X. I currently use Vienna RSS Reader, 
 which is an excellent free app that syncs with a number of cloud-based 
 services, but its Instapaper support is not one simple command like Night 
 Owl is.
 Any recommendations very much appreciated.
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
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 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/
 
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Re: Safari weirdness when clicking on multiple links from one email message

[gs]

Interact with the message text and then move to the desired link.

On Feb 20, 2015, at 7:59 AM, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:

No, but why would that matter?
Donna
 On Feb 20, 2015, at 3:30 AM, Dionipher Presas Herrera dionip...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 did you turn off cursor tracking?
 On 19 Feb 2015, at 02:45 pm, Donna Goodin doniado...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 I have noticed that lately if I have an email message from which I want to 
 view multiple links, even though I click on different links, Safari will 
 always open to a certain one.  So let's say a message has five different 
 links, and I want to look at each linked page.  I click on the first one and 
 all is fine.  But when I close that page, go back to the message, and click 
 on the second link, I'm taken back to the page of the first link.  does 
 anyone know what's up with this?  It's very annoying.
 Thanks,
 Donna
 
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Re: Problem with displaying tweets in Night Owl close to bottom of timeline or when there are few tweets

[gs]

Ok. The only question I posed in the message below was whether anyone knows how 
to resolve this problem.  Since I received no responses, a better question 
might be related to whether anyone has ever experienced it, even if the 
solution is not apparent.  If no one has, I have a suspicion how to resolve it, 
although it will involve completely removing Night Owl and reinstalling it.  
Still, I would like to know if anyone has experienced this before removing all 
files.

On Feb 15, 2015, at 8:29 PM, gs geoffsli...@gmail.com wrote:

Getting rather frustrated with Night Owl after difficulty solving this issue.

If I have a timeline with very few tweets or where there are tweets close to 
the bottom of the timeline, only part of the tweet is spoken by VO when not 
interacting with the table for the timeline.

This did not happen before a certain point but I can't isolate when it started 
happening.  It might have been after the latest update.

Does anyone know a way to solve this problem?

With timelines where there are more tweets, the problem happens with more 
tweets.  What I mean is that when I start from the bottom and move up, if a 
timeline has more items, the problem of only reading a part of the tweet 
exhibits itself for, it seems, a certain percentage of the tweets.  Well, if 
I'm not describing it properly it won't matter, as anyone who has seen this 
will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Zooming does not appear to be a valid solution unless I am not understanding 
what I need to do with zoom to solve it.

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Problem with displaying tweets in Night Owl close to bottom of timeline or when there are few tweets

[gs]

Getting rather frustrated with Night Owl after difficulty solving this issue.

If I have a timeline with very few tweets or where there are tweets close to 
the bottom of the timeline, only part of the tweet is spoken by VO when not 
interacting with the table for the timeline.

This did not happen before a certain point but I can't isolate when it started 
happening.  It might have been after the latest update.

Does anyone know a way to solve this problem?

With timelines where there are more tweets, the problem happens with more 
tweets.  What I mean is that when I start from the bottom and move up, if a 
timeline has more items, the problem of only reading a part of the tweet 
exhibits itself for, it seems, a certain percentage of the tweets.  Well, if 
I'm not describing it properly it won't matter, as anyone who has seen this 
will know exactly what I'm talking about.

Zooming does not appear to be a valid solution unless I am not understanding 
what I need to do with zoom to solve it.

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Re: Turbo Tax for 2014

[gs]

I just don't see any need to use the app versus the Web version.  Why is 
everyone wanting to use the application?  Is there some benefit of which I am 
unaware?

On Jan 28, 2015, at 6:44 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn jon.c.c...@gmail.com wrote:

If you used theTurboTax in a previous year , then you should be importing that 
information so you should start over with an import. Otherwise you should be 
OK. Check a W2 to make sure.  

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 28, 2015, at 5:30 PM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys 
 
 I haven’t gotten very far yet, but it asked me for my name and then my 
 husband’s. To keep the IRS records straight, my husband’s name should be 
 first on the return. Since I already put my name where it asked for “Your 
 name,” and then put my husband’s where it asked for spouse, will I need to 
 start over with the program or can I go back and reverse the names? I haven’t 
 gotten very much done yet, so I could start over. 
 
 Gigi 
 
 On Jan 28, 2015, at 3:32 PM, george b gbma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 You can e file from the app.
 
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 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Juliette Swiler
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 12:57
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Cc: Juliette Swiler
 Subject: Re: Turbo Tax for 2014
 
 Hello,
 Does this app actually allow you to electronically file directly from the 
 app? Or do you have to print the form out after you fill it in and send it 
 in via the postal service? Thanks.
 On Jan 28, 2015, at 9:46 AM, Eugenia Firth gigifi...@me.com wrote:
 
 Hi guys 
 Just wanted you guys to know that Turbo Tax for 2014 works so much better, 
 so far, with VoiceOver than it did last year. I am really impressed so far. 
 I downloaded it free from the App Store, and it works really great so far. 
 It let me save the file without crashing VoiceOver like what happened to me 
 last year. I am running Yosemite 10.10.2. 
 
 Regards, 
 Gigi 
 
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Re: The latest version of Microsoft Outlook appears to be accessible

[gs]

Yes, it hardly seems that plain text is a viable solution at this point in time.

On Nov 12, 2014, at 2:15 PM, David Chittenden dchitten...@gmail.com wrote:

My girlfriend, who is sighted, absolutely hates plain text txt email messages. 
She says they are much harder to read. They are much less visually appealing.

David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 12 Nov 2014, at 13:03, Sabahattin Gucukoglu listse...@me.com wrote:
 
 That's correct, HTML tags indicate line breaks and paragraphs, thus there is 
 no need to encode that information into the message as single or double 
 line-breaks.  The idea of using plain text in this way, however, while it may 
 certainly work for clients which naturally wrap lines, does not for those 
 which don't.  As I said, there is a standard for doing the thing properly 
 (called format=flowed, which you may Google if you're motivated) but Apple 
 and Microsoft intentionally ignore it.
 
 I know for a fact that (at least some) Windows versions of Outlook and 
 Outlook Express do the thing properly; I really can't understand why the Mac 
 versions don't.  And of course format=flowed originated with Eudora, on the 
 Mac.
 
 Of the textmode clients, only alpine has a workaround for this breakage; mutt 
 doesn't, and neither do most newsreaders.
 
 Cheers,
 Sabahattin
 
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Re: New Outlook for Mac available to Office 365 customers

[gs]

Well, I think accessible for the most part is probably in need of more 
qualification than the setup process and message list read.

I'll be anxious to hear more about how well it works in a little more depth as 
there is a lot more to the application than a message list although I certainly 
appreciate the preliminary report.

On Nov 3, 2014, at 6:39 PM, matthew dyer ilovecountrymusic...@gmail.com wrote:

Hi,

Just tested this a couple of days ago and from what I can see  it appears to be 
accessible for the most part.  The message list reads fine on my machine 
running yousemity.  The setup read as well.  Take it for what its worth.

Matthew



 On Nov 3, 2014, at 12:00 PM, Juan Hernandez juanhernande...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There is only one way to find out.  I'll check it out.
 
 Best,
 
 -Original Message-
 From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
 [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris G
 Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 7:14 AM
 To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: New Outlook for Mac available to Office 365 customers
 
 Does anyone know if this is accessible?
 
 
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 On 10/31/2014 4:36 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:
 New Outlook for Mac available to Office 365 customers
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 Microsoft Blog today, verbatim:
 Today we are announcing the new Outlook for the Mac, which delivers
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 unmistakably Microsoft Office. This release offers a more familiar and
 consistent experience between Outlook on the PC, Outlook on the web and
 Outlook Web App (OWA) for iPad, iPhone and Android devices.
 The new Outlook for Mac includes:
 • Better performance and reliability as a result of a new threading
 model and database improvements.
 • A new modern user interface with improved scrolling and agility when
 switching between Ribbon tabs.
 • Online archive support for searching Exchange (online or on-premises)
 archived mail.
 • Master Category List support and enhancements delivering access to
 category lists (name and color) and sync between Mac, Windows and OWA
 clients.
 • Office 365 push email support for real-time email delivery.
 • Faster first-run and email download experience with improved Exchange
 Web Services syncing.
 Microsoft Outlook for the Mac
 Microsoft Outlook for the Mac
 
 The new Outlook for Mac is available to Office 365 commercial customers
 and Office 365 Home, Office 365 Personal and Office 365 University
 subscribers.
 • Office 365 Commercial customers can get the new Outlook for Mac by
 accessing their Office 365 Portal, (Gear icon  Office 365 Settings 
 Software  Outlook for Mac icon) or visiting the Software page.
 • Office 365 consumer subscribers can get the new Outlook for Mac by
 going to their My Account page.
 For people who already have Office for Mac 2011 and Outlook for Mac 2011
 installed on their Mac, check out this help article for guidance.
 Microsoft Word, PowerPoint, Excel and OneNote for Mac
 Historically we have released a new version of Office for Mac
 approximately six to eight months after Office for Windows. However,
 following the release of Office 365 we made the conscious decision to
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 number of people who are getting things done on-the-go more frequently.
 This meant delivering and continuing to improve Office on a variety
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Re: another strange issue

[gs]

I have only had this problem when the Messages app was open.  Otherwise it does 
not occur for me at this time.

On Oct 24, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Tim Kilburn kilbu...@me.com wrote:

Hi,

If you’re using iMap with Gmail, and you attempt to quit Mail too quickly after 
performing a delete message, move message or something like that, Mail will 
often either give you an error saying that it couldn’t complete the task or it 
may just sit there for some time trying to complete the task.  Usually, it will 
either eventually quit or stay confused forever.  this sort of thing has 
happened in some previous versions of the MacOS as well.  Using iCloud iMap, 
this doesn’t seem to occur.

Later…

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

 On Oct 23, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Anders Holmberg and...@pipkrokodil.se wrote:
 
 Hi!
 Yes sometimes this happens to me.
 Yesterday i couldn’t  close mail so i closed my mac instead and started over.
 /A 
 23 okt 2014 kl. 08:30 skrev Faisal newyorkyank...@gmail.com:
 
 I’m also having strange issues closing apps. this strange behaviour is not 
 the same every time but I find that apps such as safari and even mail fail 
 to close when I do the command q keystroke.
 sometimes when apps do close, they are a little slow in closing than they 
 were in Mavericks.
 Is anyone else finding this to be the case?
 
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Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail

[gs]

Hmm. I have also noticed that in Yosemite, it does not seem possible to 
collapse the thread with the left arrow.  So if you have moved considerably 
through a very long conversation, it is quite time consuming to move back to 
the first message in order to cause it to collapse with left arrow.  Maybe 
there is a VO keystroke that will collapse the conversation but I may have 
forgotten it if it exists and am too lazy to go and try to locate it.  Is 
anyone else experiencing this behavior?




On Oct 22, 2014, at 4:06 AM, BobH. long.c...@virgin.net wrote:

Deleting the uninteresting threads of grouped messages, cleans up quite 
efficiently.  Pity we couldn't change this mode on the fly like Outlook, so 
we can then read the better bits remaining, more efficiently.

- Original Message - 
From: Keith Watson tkwatso...@gmail.com
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: Conversation Participants being Spoken in Yosemite mail


Hi,

The issue with that is that in order to find the answer to a question posed 
is that you then have to wade through god knows how many emails to find any 
replies. Again, not very efficient. By grouping a conversation you can 
quickly get to any responses that may or may not be relevant. I would not 
even consider trying to parse messages on a list as busy as this without 
grouping.

Keith



 On Oct 21, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Agent086b agent0...@internode.on.net wrote:
 
 Hi,
 as I think somebody suggested turn off group messages by conversation.
 I have done this now. At least I can read the messages.
 Max
 
 On 22 Oct 2014, at 9:21 am, Keith Watson tkwatso...@gmail.com 
 mailto:tkwatso...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Johnathan,
 
 So after reading this thread I see that nobody has an answer for you. I 
 am sorry to say that neither do I I would be very interested in finding a 
 solution to this issue as well. Its so damned time consuming that I find 
 myself blowing away all the messages in the mailbox after the first 3 or 
 4 threads that piss me off. When and if you do find a solution please let 
 me know so that I can enjoy lists once again
 
 Thanks,
 
 Keith
 
 On Oct 21, 2014, at 8:51 AM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org 
 mailto:jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
 
 Hi everyone, I'm really enjoying all the new goodness in Yosemite, and 
 at least on my system, it's magnitudes better than the first release of 
 mavericks was. Plenty to enjoy.
 There's one efficiency hit I've taken that I've not seen commented on 
 here, although with so many messages of late, it's possible I've 
 accidentally skipped references to it.
 I use Standard View in Mail, and Yosemite has adopted the iOS approach 
 of speaking the names of all participants in a mail thread before the 
 subject. Does anyone know if there is a way to move this around? For 
 example, I've been away from the list for a couple of days and came back 
 to a 90 message conversation. I had to sit through a very very long list 
 of participants before I could even hear the subject of the thread to 
 determine whether it was of interest to me or not. That's not 
 particularly efficient. What I'd prefer to do is hear the conversation's 
 subject first, then if I have to hear the participants, they could be 
 spoken second.
 When reading an email list where threads can get quite long, this 
 current behaviour can add a long time to the experience.
 Thanks.
 Jonathan Mosen
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Re: answering calls on the mac?

[gs]

Yes, it's a nice feature.  Now, if only I could get the SMS feature to work.  
Each time I try to send an SMS, I get an error stating that the number is not 
registered with iMessage.  Hmm.  Maybe I've missed something somewhere but I 
can't figure out what.


On Oct 18, 2014, at 2:22 PM, matthew Dyer matthew.dy...@icloud.com wrote:

Hi,

Just tested this by calling my cell  from my house phone and after doing some 
playing around it works just fine here.  I think this great for someone who 
charges there phone in another room and does not want to get up to go get there 
phone.

Matthew

P.S, i am running an iMac 27 inch from I think 2012 or 13.  it was the one 
before the new redina display that just came out.



 On Oct 17, 2014, at 10:22 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I wouldn't think that would be too old; it's working fine for me on my late 
 2012 iMac and my 11inch macbook air.
 
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 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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 And now, every day:
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 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
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 his mercies never come to an end;
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 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:49 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 mac aire 13 inch 2012
 
 That would so totally suck if that is the case.
 
 May and LD, Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 May, what mac do you have? I am not sure if this will work with older macs.
 
 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670 ext. 3
 Work email:matt...@blindaccesstraining.com
 Personal email: matt.dierck...@gmail.com
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 20:19, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca wrote:
 
 hmm, for some strange reason I still can't get that feature to work.
 
 May and LD, Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca
 m...@canadianlynx.ca
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Matthew. Actually you can do it with iOS 8.0 .2.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 3:23 PM, matthew Dyer matthew.dy...@icloud.com 
 wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I think you will have to wait till 8.1 is out on monday.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:10 AM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 Hey there everyone.
 
 For those that have the latest OS for the mac is there a setting I need 
 to find or app so that calls also show on my mac?
 
 I've looked everywhere and can't figure what I'm missing, thanks.
 
 May and LD, Luna Moon!
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Safari and HTML area

[gs]

I have been using Webkit up until the release of 10.10 and am now using Safari 
again.  I am once again encountering the annoying problem of having to interact 
with the HTML area on a more than regular basis.  This makes web browsing a 
headache and not ever a pleasant experience.  Does anyone have any suggestions 
for how to get VO to automatically interact with the page content on a 
predictable basis? I'm going to have to go back to Windows for my web browsing 
otherwise as it is just too cumbersome.

I know that not everyone is experiencing the browser as it is obvious from any 
podcasts.  Maybe I have enabled some setting that is causing this?

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Re: Another strange issue

[gs]

I read somewhere that this missing volume up-down sound was done intentionally. 
Personally, I think it is probably fine with me, once I get used to it.


On Oct 18, 2014, at 4:20 PM, Brandt Steenkamp brandt.steenk...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Hi there,

No idea about the dictation thing, but the clicks for the volume control is 
gone, why, I have no idea. It was there threw some of the beta period, but went 
away round about DP 4 or 5. 

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 On 18 Oct 2014, at 10:15 PM, Matt Dierckens matt.dierck...@gmail.com 
 mailto:matt.dierck...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hey all.
 I have a couple of issues with Yosemite.
 1. When I turn up and down the volume, I no longer get audible indication.
 2. When attempting to use dictation, I also get no audible sound.
 If anyone knows how to fix this that would be great.
 Thanks.
 Matt Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
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Re: answering calls on the mac?

[gs]

I have not yet had a chance to confirm whether this will work with the iPhone 
4S and I'm not going to contribute to speculation.  However, I can tell you 
that the information that it won't work with a phone prior to the 5S is 
incorrect.  It works with my iPhone 5.

On Oct 17, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:

Hello,
On my iPhone FaceTime is on, iPhone Cel calls are on. On my iMac it is also 
checked in FaceTime Prefs. However, here's where the problem may be, I think.
I am using a 27 inch iMac mid 2010 and an iPhone 4S. I think that the 4S is the 
problem.
Am i unfortunately right about that?
Oh well, if so, I'll be purchasing a new iPhone in a few weeks and I just might 
purchase a new OS X machine, who knows.

 On Oct 17, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Brett C. blindinnova...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If you haven't already done this, go to the settings on your phone, go to the 
 FaceTime settings and check the box authorizing use of the iPhone for calls. 
 You'll want to confirm the same checkbox in the FaceTime app on your Mac by 
 opening FaceTime and accessing the option in preferences.
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hello,
 I have the latest iOS update as well as Yosemite on my Mac and I cant get it 
 to work either. It keeps telling me that the phone and the Mac have to be on 
 the same Wi-Fi network and they are.
 Every time I try a call, it just says to try again and it reminds me that 
 both the phone and computer need to be on the same network even though they 
 are. How do I know, I put them there.
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 5:19 PM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
 wrote:
 
 hmm, for some strange reason I still can't get that feature to work.
 
 May and LD, Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca
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 On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:30 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi Matthew. Actually you can do it with iOS 8.0 .2.
 
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 Hi,
 
 I think you will have to wait till 8.1 is out on monday.
 
 Matthew
 
 
 On Oct 17, 2014, at 4:10 AM, May McDonald Homuth m...@canadianlynx.ca 
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 Hey there everyone.
 
 For those that have the latest OS for the mac is there a setting I need 
 to find or app so that calls also show on my mac?
 
 I've looked everywhere and can't figure what I'm missing, thanks.
 
 May and LD, Luna Moon!
 www.canadianlynx.ca
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Re: Need help with amazon.com

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This worked fine in the prior version of iOS.  I mean with pressing the button 
to add to cart.  with iOS 8 it does not work.  I shop a lot from Amazon and 
generally use the iPhone so this is very inconvenient.  I hope the button bug 
gets fixed in the next release of iOS because it affects many apps.

On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Vivianna irish...@gmail.com wrote:

OK,
I got the order completed using amazon.com/access
i can not complete an order on the iPhone.
i am using an iPhone 6 running IOS 8.02

Vivianna

On Oct 10, 2014, at 9:03 AM, Kevin Mattingly kdmattin...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use the Amazon app on my phone. 
 
 Kev
 
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 On Oct 10, 2014, at 10:00 AM, Mike Arrigo n0...@charter.net wrote:
 
 There is usually a button that says add to cart. Interesting, I've bought 
 lots of things on Amazon using the mac. Have never done it with the iphone 
 though.
 Original message:
 Hi All,
 Does anybody know of a trick to add items to the shopping cart on either 
 the mac or the iPhone?
 I can add things to my wish list but, can't add them to my cart.
 Thanks much.
 
 Vivianna
 
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Re: how to expand a list with vo?

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It sometimes stops working correctly.  Try restarting VO and if that doesn't 
work it may take a restart of Mail or the Mac.

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Hi everyone,
In the past i could expand lists within mail (grouped conversations) with 
hitting the right arrow, i could de-expend tham with hitting left. Since today 
this does not seem to work anymore. I can expand ALL covnersations but thats a 
bit messy.
Is there a special command for doing this?
Thanks,
Greetings, Anouk,

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