Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Best bet is to just use Windows and a Windows screen reader to complete your resume and application process on USAJOBS. On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:04 PM, Eileen eileen.misr...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christine, About 3 years ago, I tried to apply for a position in the VA system. I had a difficuls time uploading and filling out the online application. I had my husband look at it and help me, but even he had problems with it and he's fully sighted. I decided to forget it, as the Federal government made the process so impossible to apply. I do know of one individual who is a high partial who managed to complete the application process, but had indicated to me that it was extremely hard to get it completed and she is in the assistive technology field. I know that the Federal government should be taken to task on this. I know I haven't been much assistance, only to know that there are others in the same boat as you. The positions I have attempted to apply for will only accept online applications. It's a pity because there are many of us who would make excellent employees and are qualified for the jobs they post. Good luck and if I hear more tips on how to apply for a Federal position, I'll pass them on to you. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com mailto:cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Hi Christine, About 3 years ago, I tried to apply for a position in the VA system. I had a difficuls time uploading and filling out the online application. I had my husband look at it and help me, but even he had problems with it and he's fully sighted. I decided to forget it, as the Federal government made the process so impossible to apply. I do know of one individual who is a high partial who managed to complete the application process, but had indicated to me that it was extremely hard to get it completed and she is in the assistive technology field. I know that the Federal government should be taken to task on this. I know I haven't been much assistance, only to know that there are others in the same boat as you. The positions I have attempted to apply for will only accept online applications. It's a pity because there are many of us who would make excellent employees and are qualified for the jobs they post. Good luck and if I hear more tips on how to apply for a Federal position, I'll pass them on to you. Best, Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 2:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Sounds like something to be reported directly to the President's liaison for people with disabilities. Let's face it, sometimes the fastest avenue to a solution is a human who resonates with the problem. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, gs wrote: I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit???s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit ???reload page???. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to ???Finish??? and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said ???Received???. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/???s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Windows doesn't help much on USA Jobs. The Feds dodge most real disability accommodations in favor of legacy solutions that have not worked in the mainstream. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 16:11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Sounds like something to be reported directly to the President's liaison for people with disabilities. Let's face it, sometimes the fastest avenue to a solution is a human who resonates with the problem. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, gs wrote: I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Meanwhile, when I tried to locate a contact form for Claudia Gordon, who is ostensibly the liaison between the President’s administration and the disability community, the only thing I could find was an offer to contact the White House, since she is the disability liaison for the White House’s Office of Public Engagement. How likely do you think it is that my message will get through that barrage of correspondence? Cherie, could you please clarify what you mean by “legacy solutions”? My husband works in a federal building and sees a reasonable number of disabled employees working for the various agencies. Christine On Jun 16, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote: Windows doesn't help much on USA Jobs. The Feds dodge most real disability accommodations in favor of legacy solutions that have not worked in the mainstream. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 16:11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Sounds like something to be reported directly to the President's liaison for people with disabilities. Let's face it, sometimes the fastest avenue to a solution is a human who resonates with the problem. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, gs wrote: I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Interesting... Perhaps you could identify and write to the section 508 coordinator of the relevant US government department. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Christine, call them. There is a reason in the Liaison case. i did not understand she was blind, but deaf or a combination, the office of public engagement helps facilitate communications for Ms. Gordon. there are some things not best for email you know? I would say the same for your representatives...especially the one with the problem form. Given anyone can send an email from anywhere, sometimes putting human presence to problems makes a difference. As an interesting question, were you able to test things in a low graphics environment? Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Christine Grassman wrote: Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Meanwhile, when I tried to locate a contact form for Claudia Gordon, who is ostensibly the liaison between the President’s administration and the disability community, the only thing I could find was an offer to contact the White House, since she is the disability liaison for the White House’s Office of Public Engagement. How likely do you think it is that my message will get through that barrage of correspondence? Cherie, could you please clarify what you mean by “legacy solutions”? My husband works in a federal building and sees a reasonable number of disabled employees working for the various agencies. Christine On Jun 16, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote: Windows doesn't help much on USA Jobs. The Feds dodge most real disability accommodations in favor of legacy solutions that have not worked in the mainstream. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 16:11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Sounds like something to be reported directly to the President's liaison for people with disabilities. Let's face it, sometimes the fastest avenue to a solution is a human who resonates with the problem. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, gs wrote: I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Hi Christine, To answer your question, no. I never pursued contacting anyone. If this is an accessibility issue, then maybe one of the blind national organizations may need to be contacted. I'm wondering how many more blind or visually impaired individuals have attempted to apply for a Federal position only to be confronted with an inaccessible website to submit the application. It was interesting to me when I wrote my senators that Senator Finestein took the time to actually read what I sent her regarding Social Security, but Senator Boxer was a form response. Let me know who to send my concerns about this. It takes a village to get Washington to recognize a real problem and in my eyes discrimination. Thanks. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 6:56 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Christine, call them. There is a reason in the Liaison case. i did not understand she was blind, but deaf or a combination, the office of public engagement helps facilitate communications for Ms. Gordon. there are some things not best for email you know? I would say the same for your representatives...especially the one with the problem form. Given anyone can send an email from anywhere, sometimes putting human presence to problems makes a difference. As an interesting question, were you able to test things in a low graphics environment? Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Christine Grassman wrote: Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Meanwhile, when I tried to locate a contact form for Claudia Gordon, who is ostensibly the liaison between the President’s administration and the disability community, the only thing I could find was an offer to contact the White House, since she is the disability liaison for the White House’s Office of Public Engagement. How likely do you think it is that my message will get through that barrage of correspondence? Cherie, could you please clarify what you mean by “legacy solutions”? My husband works in a federal building and sees a reasonable number of disabled employees working for the various agencies. Christine On Jun 16, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Cheree Heppe che...@dogsc4me.com wrote: Windows doesn't help much on USA Jobs. The Feds dodge most real disability accommodations in favor of legacy solutions that have not worked in the mainstream. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 16:11, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Sounds like something to be reported directly to the President's liaison for people with disabilities. Let's face it, sometimes the fastest avenue to a solution is a human who resonates with the problem. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, gs wrote: I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Actually Jason, your suggestion flipped a switch. My sister has been a federal staffer for decades for the Center for disease control. Anyway I popped over to the usajobs.gov site in a low graphics, but java friendly browser. There is a section labeled for people with disabilities, under this section, there is a directory of the sccp staff by department. these people are specifically designated to facilitate application problems in their respective agencies. Christine, I do not recall the position you are seeking, but perhaps this is a direct door? Hope this helps, Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Jason White wrote: Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Interesting... Perhaps you could identify and write to the section 508 coordinator of the relevant US government department. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Hi, I would like to ask what is meant by low graphics and how is it achieved? I never heard of this term and would like to check it out myself. Currently, there are no positions open that would match my skill set, but for the future it would be great to be successful in submitting an application. Thanks. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Actually Jason, your suggestion flipped a switch. My sister has been a federal staffer for decades for the Center for disease control. Anyway I popped over to the usajobs.gov site in a low graphics, but java friendly browser. There is a section labeled for people with disabilities, under this section, there is a directory of the sccp staff by department. these people are specifically designated to facilitate application problems in their respective agencies. Christine, I do not recall the position you are seeking, but perhaps this is a direct door? Hope this helps, Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Jason White wrote: Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Interesting... Perhaps you could identify and write to the section 508 coordinator of the relevant US government department. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Hi Eileen, For me personally, speaking only for myself i consider low graphics environments to mirror mobile ones sometimes. these are browsers like links, and elinks, still under development on the open source side, but likely needing terminal to run Mac wise. I did not use a mac for my test. I was stunned that lynx, also still under development, generated an access denied error. That might explain some of the other problems as well. If the people maintaining these sites are not thinking strict keyboard response, i. e. they are using java scripting without making sure the java scripting still works with a keyboard, then many access platforms will have issues. Someone else will have to guide you on using a low graphics browser within the apple arena. Your comment on Social security had me wondering in return. I am rather surprised that the organization who spearheaded the requirement that the Social Security Administration must provide communications in various formats are not paying attention. SSa has changed to some ..non document thing that requires some sort of player software instead of the sort of rtf and readme.txt files that were there before. The cd sent is not even formatted as a data one anymore. Someone is not keeping track of how things are implemented in the long run. Long answer to your short question smiles. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Eileen wrote: Hi, I would like to ask what is meant by low graphics and how is it achieved? I never heard of this term and would like to check it out myself. Currently, there are no positions open that would match my skill set, but for the future it would be great to be successful in submitting an application. Thanks. Eileen Sent from my iPhone On Jun 16, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Actually Jason, your suggestion flipped a switch. My sister has been a federal staffer for decades for the Center for disease control. Anyway I popped over to the usajobs.gov site in a low graphics, but java friendly browser. There is a section labeled for people with disabilities, under this section, there is a directory of the sccp staff by department. these people are specifically designated to facilitate application problems in their respective agencies. Christine, I do not recall the position you are seeking, but perhaps this is a direct door? Hope this helps, Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, Jason White wrote: Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Here’s a little ironic twist for you: I sent a message to both my Senators and Representative, and one of the Senator’s email responses contains a privacy release form link . . . which is inaccessible. Interesting... Perhaps you could identify and write to the section 508 coordinator of the relevant US government department. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: Attention Any Americans Who Have Applied On-line for Jobs through usajobs.gov *urgent help; needed*
Thank you, Eileen, for your input, and thank you Kare, for your suggestion, which is an excellent one, as I believe that individual is actually blind. Eileen, did you report your difficulties, and did anyone else you know? I was contemplating bringing this to my Senators and Representative, but perhaps the liaison is the way to go . . . Christine On Jun 16, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Karen Lewellen klewel...@shellworld.net wrote: Sounds like something to be reported directly to the President's liaison for people with disabilities. Let's face it, sometimes the fastest avenue to a solution is a human who resonates with the problem. Kare On Tue, 16 Jun 2015, gs wrote: I mean I hate to seem so hopeless when it comes to using the Mac with the USAJOBs site, but I have not had good luck with it even when changing user agents. And I know employment is a serious thing. So when there is a job that closes in two days or maybe just a few hours and you are trying to find a reliable method to complete the application process, the last thing you want are these kinds of issues. So for those times, use Windows at this point. We need to probably try to work together to get these issues resolved for the future. I agree that it is a shame that we have standards that are supposed to insure federal government web sites work with assistive technologies and in some cases they just do not. Since the USAJOBS site was updated in either late 2011 or early 2012, it has been far less accessible with whatever screen reader you choose. And it's hard to stay motivated enough to document and report each issue if that's what we're expected to do. It would be nice if enough forethought was applied that things would just work. But that's a utopia we may never enjoy. On Jun 16, 2015, at 5:41 PM, Christine Grassman cgrassman1...@gmail.com wrote: Dear All: I am at my wit’s end. I am using a MacBook Air, running Yosemite, and I have tried Safari and Internet Explorer 10. I attempted to apply to an on-line job on a federal government website specifically for that purpose. 1. When I used Safari, I kept getting messages that it quit unexpectedly and either hit Ignore and things were as they had been before this happened, or I had to hit “reload page”. In addition, every time I tried to execute the last task required, it would not go through, yet the system said I had executed the task. (I checked with a Human Resources person who indicates that none of my attempts have gotten through.) I also kept getting warnings that I had no documents saved to my account, even though I definitely do and they were actually being listed, and the correct one was selected. 2. When I used Internet Explorer 10, I did not get the quitting problem, but had the same problem with the same warning that I had no documents uploaded to my account, despite the fact that they were listed and the correct one selected. Again, I could not get past a certain point in the process. 3. I ad my daughter, also blind and using a Windows PC with Firefox, fill out the application. It seemed to go smoothly; we got to “Finish” and received a message to check my status for updates. When I checked my status, it said “Received”. However, the Human Resources specialist checked last evening and this morning, and my application is nowhere to be found. So: a. Has anyone successfully used a federal government website; I am especially interested in hearing from anyone who used usajobs.gov http://usajobs.gov/ specifically. b. Can anyone fathom what might be going on? Is there anything in particular I should try, or anything I should bring to the attention or suggest to the Help desk? C. They apparently work with Career Connector, overseen by Monster.com http://monster.com/. Although I saw a list that stated that Safari is a compatible browser, Monster.com http://monster.com/’s help desk said Safari was not compatible, which is why I used Internet Explorer 10. Just a note: I did reboot several times, emptied my cache and history, and refreshed the screen after going into the user agent menu and suggesting a different browser. I would truly appreciate help here; if I have to write to an HR person for each and every federal job application, things are going to become very tedious very fast, and frankly, there is no earthly reason why I should not be able to do this with commonly used technology. Thanks so much in advance. Christine -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
