Mountain Lion Mail
Hi folks I'm afraid I got a bit confused with the flurry of emails on this subject. Has anybody found a way to get rid of those buttons between the mailboxes table and message table? I like to be able to tab from one table to the other, and not have to hop over sort by date , hide mail activity button, mail action button and New mailbox action button. Is there a way to get rid of these. I have put the sliders up to 100 per cent. I'm not using classic view. Any ideas? I love the calendar in ML. The install was easy peasy and so far I am think VO is snappier. I'm using Karen whose chip monk bug is still not fixed. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mountain Lion Mail
Dunno about getting rid of unwanted controls but what I do in the modern view to hop between the mail box list and the list of messages is press VO-J; it toggles me back and forth cleanly between these two lists. I have the preview pane closed down completely so VO-J won't pop me in there. On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks I'm afraid I got a bit confused with the flurry of emails on this subject. Has anybody found a way to get rid of those buttons between the mailboxes table and message table? I like to be able to tab from one table to the other, and not have to hop over sort by date , hide mail activity button, mail action button and New mailbox action button. Is there a way to get rid of these. I have put the sliders up to 100 per cent. I'm not using classic view. Any ideas? I love the calendar in ML. The install was easy peasy and so far I am think VO is snappier. I'm using Karen whose chip monk bug is still not fixed. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Mountain Lion Mail
I haven't installed ML yet, but if it still uses the tables, I use VO-command-T to move to the message content table from the message list table. HTh, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Jul 26, 2012, at 5:21 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: Dunno about getting rid of unwanted controls but what I do in the modern view to hop between the mail box list and the list of messages is press VO-J; it toggles me back and forth cleanly between these two lists. I have the preview pane closed down completely so VO-J won't pop me in there. On Jul 26, 2012, at 1:49 AM, Lisette Wesseling lisettewessel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi folks I'm afraid I got a bit confused with the flurry of emails on this subject. Has anybody found a way to get rid of those buttons between the mailboxes table and message table? I like to be able to tab from one table to the other, and not have to hop over sort by date , hide mail activity button, mail action button and New mailbox action button. Is there a way to get rid of these. I have put the sliders up to 100 per cent. I'm not using classic view. Any ideas? I love the calendar in ML. The install was easy peasy and so far I am think VO is snappier. I'm using Karen whose chip monk bug is still not fixed. Lisette -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Still tuck getting rid of preview pane in Mountain Lion Mail.
Okay, feeling kind of stupid here. I thought I followed the directions I saw on this list earlier, for getting rid of the preview pane in Mountain Lion mail, but it didn't look the same on mine. I have a list of mailboxes and for each mailbox, a bunch of messages. In Lion, I'd just tab from the mailbox and I'd be in the list of messages, and could shift-tab back to the mailbox list. So after upgrading mail, I found myself on the list of mailboxes. I uninteracted with it and foud one vertical splitter. So I moved it to 100, but nothing changed. So I looked around again to see if I should have gone to the right of the messages, but just found a horrizontal splitter there. I moved it to 100 anyway, just in case. But I still have the new mailbox button and possibly something else in between my mailboxes table and my messages table. If someone can tell me where I went wrong, I'd sure appreciate it. So far my snooping around hasn't yielded anything brilliant. Thanks. Veronica Watch and hear The Guide Dog Glee Club sing the Star-spangled Banner at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNLclisGqQ Then find more music from The Guide Dog Glee Club and Veronica Elsea at http://www.laurelcreekmusic.com Veronica Elsea, Owner Laurel Creek Music Designs Santa Cruz, California Phone: 831-429-6407 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Please help, headers in Lion Mail.
Hey all. I've got a question about the header information given in Lion's mail app. How do you see all of the email addresses in the header? I see a whole bunch already but it says and I quote and 4 more. How can I see all of them? I'm trying to grab them so I can subscribe a bunch of people to a list serve I help to admin. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Please help, headers in Lion Mail.
Hello Matthew. Did you interact with the headers? or open the desired e-mail message and interact with the headers? Kawal. On 24 Apr 2012, at 03:47 PM, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've got a question about the header information given in Lion's mail app. How do you see all of the email addresses in the header? I see a whole bunch already but it says and I quote and 4 more. How can I see all of them? I'm trying to grab them so I can subscribe a bunch of people to a list serve I help to admin. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Please help, headers in Lion Mail.
Hi. It still doesn't show all of the addresses though. On 2012-04-24, at 10:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hello Matthew. Did you interact with the headers? or open the desired e-mail message and interact with the headers? Kawal. On 24 Apr 2012, at 03:47 PM, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've got a question about the header information given in Lion's mail app. How do you see all of the email addresses in the header? I see a whole bunch already but it says and I quote and 4 more. How can I see all of them? I'm trying to grab them so I can subscribe a bunch of people to a list serve I help to admin. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Please help, headers in Lion Mail.
Hi all. Apple care helped me with a solution to the header problem. I feel like an idiot for not trying such a simple solution lol. I'll outline it for those who may have this issue in the future. First, make sure that you hit the show details link in the header group. Next, scroll down the header text to where the email addresses are shown. Finally, find the place where it says and X more with X being a number. When you're there, VO Shift space to click this area. The email addresses will magically appear. Then, you can do what you want with them. If the VO shift space does not work, you may need to route the mouse with a VO command F5 and then VO shift space. I really love apple care right now. HTH, Matthew Campbell. On 2012-04-24, at 10:50 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: Hello Matthew. Did you interact with the headers? or open the desired e-mail message and interact with the headers? Kawal. On 24 Apr 2012, at 03:47 PM, Matthew Campbell wrestling.ch...@gmail.com wrote: Hey all. I've got a question about the header information given in Lion's mail app. How do you see all of the email addresses in the header? I see a whole bunch already but it says and I quote and 4 more. How can I see all of them? I'm trying to grab them so I can subscribe a bunch of people to a list serve I help to admin. Thanks to anyone who can answer. Matthew Campbell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi, In my case I turned it off to avoid messages I pass through to review with vo in list as read. It made things convusing to keep track of what i read or what I did not yet. I just press enter on a conversation and it opens in new window. I am having problems though with deleting the messages individually in this case as they appear doubled or something of the sort. I end up reviewing them and deleting in message list after closing conversation window with command w. Would love to hear of a better way to delete them if any of you knows one. take care, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online stores. Sent from my phone On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Thank you for the directions, it was easy peasy. I just used the trackpad to click the mouse. I'm coming to this topic a little late, so I have a couple questions. 1. What is the benefit of hiding the preview pain? 2. If I decide to do this, what is the best way to read a email conversation? Ya know, an email with 6 messages. Thanks for continuing my Mac learning. :) Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: Hi Esther and Buddy, I want to thank you both for the ideas for using mail in the newer modern view and being able to close up the message body pane. It works great for me now and the read/unread flags don't get changed by merely going up and down the message list anymore. I think mail on the Mac may actually become a pleasure to work with now. OK mutt, better step aside now. smile Oh, mutt is that other mail client I love so much:). On 4/16/12, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Ioana, If you're using the IOGear Bluetooth keyboard, I'm not sure how that works on the splitters. (The small keyboard description was the give-away -- everyone who recommends that keyboard for touch typing adds the comment, but I have small hands.) Yes, that keyboard has a num lock key in the F-key row, just as my 12 PowerBook G4 laptop does. (I got this laptop when I first joined the Macvisionaries list, back when I still used a dial-up connection. It was my first Mac, and it still works.) And you can use that laptop to type numpad style numbers with and embedded keyboard using the Fn key plus the letters on the right side of the keyboard (in the numpad region), just as I can on the PowerBook (in Tiger). I think you can activate the numeric functions when paired to the Mac by pressing the Numlock key -- which may be F6 -- without turning on NumPad Commander. But I don't think the modified NumPad Commander keys will work on this, such as using the Control key. I can't be sure, because I don't use this keyboard with my laptop, and only checked out its pairing behavior to learn what it could do. I'd have to use this in place of my Mac's laptop keyboard to check this out. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Pretty good explanation Esther as usually. A few observations however.1. I have a small keyboard and activate numpad keys with fn +letter keys but you are right that I do have numpad condor on. 2. Control numpad 5 did not work for the vertical splitter on my mac mini. Neither did vo shift space. Heard sound of click but nothing else happened. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with a numpad. I'm used to using the laptop keyboard, so I only turn on NumPad Commander when I want to attach a USB numpad or do fancy simulations of numpad actions with the top row of number keys in combination with an arrow key. (This will let you access the unmodified NumPad Commander sequences for the same keys on the numeric keypad.) What happened when support for the embedded numeric keypad in laptops went away in Leopard, I found I could use some of the keys by turning MouseKeys on. But the side effect was that some of your control keys (like the Command key, as I recall) don't work in VoiceOver any more, so that is doubtless why they told us not to try using both NumPad Commander and Mouse Keys simultaneously in Leopard. In later versions of OS X I bet they simply disabled some of the functions if you have both modes activated. Regardless of the Oops!, people who have full keyboards with NumPad Commander activated can use their numpad to click on the splitter for the Preview pane in Mail by pressing Control+5 in Snow Leopard and Lion. The 5 is the key on the numpad. No need to turn on Mouse Keys. HTH.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
What I do with threads generally is to press right arrow to expand the current thread (need to have quick nav turned off) and then the messages can be opened for reading, deleted or whatever on an individual basis. Or if I wish to delete the whole thread, then I close the thread by pressing left arrow if if isn't closed already and then delete with one command. Actually in my case, since I'm using IMAP with gmail, I need to move them to Trash instead so I then do VO-Shift-M to open the context menu and choose move to folder and pick Trash within the [Gmail] tree. After doing this at least once I can then use the move to Trash again command instead. Sorry if that's a lengthy explanation but mere deleting in gmail may cause all your deleted messages to remain in your All mail folder for ever. On 4/19/12, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my case I turned it off to avoid messages I pass through to review with vo in list as read. It made things convusing to keep track of what i read or what I did not yet. I just press enter on a conversation and it opens in new window. I am having problems though with deleting the messages individually in this case as they appear doubled or something of the sort. I end up reviewing them and deleting in message list after closing conversation window with command w. Would love to hear of a better way to delete them if any of you knows one. take care, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com, on iTunes or most online stores. Sent from my phone On Apr 19, 2012, at 12:57 AM, Traci our4p...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, Thank you for the directions, it was easy peasy. I just used the trackpad to click the mouse. I'm coming to this topic a little late, so I have a couple questions. 1. What is the benefit of hiding the preview pain? 2. If I decide to do this, what is the best way to read a email conversation? Ya know, an email with 6 messages. Thanks for continuing my Mac learning. :) Traci Sent by Macbook Air Mail On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: Hi Esther and Buddy, I want to thank you both for the ideas for using mail in the newer modern view and being able to close up the message body pane. It works great for me now and the read/unread flags don't get changed by merely going up and down the message list anymore. I think mail on the Mac may actually become a pleasure to work with now. OK mutt, better step aside now. smile Oh, mutt is that other mail client I love so much:). On 4/16/12, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Ioana, If you're using the IOGear Bluetooth keyboard, I'm not sure how that works on the splitters. (The small keyboard description was the give-away -- everyone who recommends that keyboard for touch typing adds the comment, but I have small hands.) Yes, that keyboard has a num lock key in the F-key row, just as my 12 PowerBook G4 laptop does. (I got this laptop when I first joined the Macvisionaries list, back when I still used a dial-up connection. It was my first Mac, and it still works.) And you can use that laptop to type numpad style numbers with and embedded keyboard using the Fn key plus the letters on the right side of the keyboard (in the numpad region), just as I can on the PowerBook (in Tiger). I think you can activate the numeric functions when paired to the Mac by pressing the Numlock key -- which may be F6 -- without turning on NumPad Commander. But I don't think the modified NumPad Commander keys will work on this, such as using the Control key. I can't be sure, because I don't use this keyboard with my laptop, and only checked out its pairing behavior to learn what it could do. I'd have to use this in place of my Mac's laptop keyboard to check this out. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Pretty good explanation Esther as usually. A few observations however.1. I have a small keyboard and activate numpad keys with fn +letter keys but you are right that I do have numpad condor on. 2. Control numpad 5 did not work for the vertical splitter on my mac mini. Neither did vo shift space. Heard sound of click but nothing else happened. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with a numpad. I'm used to using the laptop keyboard, so I only turn on NumPad Commander when I want to attach a USB numpad or do fancy simulations of numpad actions with the top row of number keys in combination with an arrow key. (This will let you access the unmodified NumPad
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi Esther and Buddy, I want to thank you both for the ideas for using mail in the newer modern view and being able to close up the message body pane. It works great for me now and the read/unread flags don't get changed by merely going up and down the message list anymore. I think mail on the Mac may actually become a pleasure to work with now. OK mutt, better step aside now. smile Oh, mutt is that other mail client I love so much:). On 4/16/12, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Ioana, If you're using the IOGear Bluetooth keyboard, I'm not sure how that works on the splitters. (The small keyboard description was the give-away -- everyone who recommends that keyboard for touch typing adds the comment, but I have small hands.) Yes, that keyboard has a num lock key in the F-key row, just as my 12 PowerBook G4 laptop does. (I got this laptop when I first joined the Macvisionaries list, back when I still used a dial-up connection. It was my first Mac, and it still works.) And you can use that laptop to type numpad style numbers with and embedded keyboard using the Fn key plus the letters on the right side of the keyboard (in the numpad region), just as I can on the PowerBook (in Tiger). I think you can activate the numeric functions when paired to the Mac by pressing the Numlock key -- which may be F6 -- without turning on NumPad Commander. But I don't think the modified NumPad Commander keys will work on this, such as using the Control key. I can't be sure, because I don't use this keyboard with my laptop, and only checked out its pairing behavior to learn what it could do. I'd have to use this in place of my Mac's laptop keyboard to check this out. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Pretty good explanation Esther as usually. A few observations however.1. I have a small keyboard and activate numpad keys with fn +letter keys but you are right that I do have numpad condor on. 2. Control numpad 5 did not work for the vertical splitter on my mac mini. Neither did vo shift space. Heard sound of click but nothing else happened. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with a numpad. I'm used to using the laptop keyboard, so I only turn on NumPad Commander when I want to attach a USB numpad or do fancy simulations of numpad actions with the top row of number keys in combination with an arrow key. (This will let you access the unmodified NumPad Commander sequences for the same keys on the numeric keypad.) What happened when support for the embedded numeric keypad in laptops went away in Leopard, I found I could use some of the keys by turning MouseKeys on. But the side effect was that some of your control keys (like the Command key, as I recall) don't work in VoiceOver any more, so that is doubtless why they told us not to try using both NumPad Commander and Mouse Keys simultaneously in Leopard. In later versions of OS X I bet they simply disabled some of the functions if you have both modes activated. Regardless of the Oops!, people who have full keyboards with NumPad Commander activated can use their numpad to click on the splitter for the Preview pane in Mail by pressing Control+5 in Snow Leopard and Lion. The 5 is the key on the numpad. No need to turn on Mouse Keys. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they say. I also tried it with quicknav on or off in case the quicknav keys were interfering with mouse keys but nope. I a not even going to go there to try to get why this is. IF others are so inlined have fun puzzling it out. Smile. Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and VoiceOver cursor). In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right arrow or just
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
I will second that. The difference is really noticeable in folders with many messages. Frank On Apr 15, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Under Lion the NumPad Commander 5 button is now perform action. That is the same as VO Spacebar. However on my setup at least control numpad 5 produces a mouse click. I cannot honestly remember if I set this up or whether it comes by default. It is easy to set up if this is not the default.David Griffith. On 16 Apr 2012, at 00:33, Esther wrote: Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they say. I also tried it with quicknav on or off in case the quicknav keys were interfering with mouse keys but nope. I a not even going to go there to try to get why this is. IF others are so inlined have fun puzzling it out. Smile. Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and VoiceOver cursor). In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right arrow or just right arrow in Quick Nav mode) starting from the Mailbox list, which I have set to be shown under the View options (toggle between show and hide with Command-Shift-M), I hear VoiceOver announce: Mailboxes, Vertical Splitter, Message Column, Vertical Splitter, then Message Content if the preview pane is not hidden. Once I'm navigate past the Message Column to the vertical splitter, I can move my mouse pointer to my VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5. Then I can turn on mouse keys by pressing the option key 5 times (as I have this configured under System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad). If I double tap the i key I can hide the preview pane. This moves the vertical splitter to the far right, eliminating the Message Content. I can also reverse the instructions and navigate to the new position of the vertical splitter, route my mouse cursor to my VoiceOver cursor again with VO-Command-F5, and double tap the i key to show the preview pane again. I do have to remember to turn mouse keys off again by pressing the option key 5 times if I want to type with other letter keys. I haven't been able to use VO-Shift-Space for clicking on the vertical splitter. I can do show or hide the preview pane in the new mail view for Lion whether or not I'm in full screen mode. When I switch between the new view and classic mail view the preview pane is either present or gone consistently in both views. Buddy is correct that the it's the vertical splitter in the new mail view that works analogous to the horizontal splitter in classic mail view to show or hide the preview pane. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: OK, I have all cursors tracking. That is, keyboard focus follows Voiceover, VO cursor follows keyboard focus, insertion point follows VO, mouse pointer follows VO. Oh wait. I just did something dumb. Never mind. I should maybe actually do this with Lion. LOL -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net wrote: I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you interact did you simulate a single click as I implied from your message? Please provide step by step including what your tracking settings in Voice Over settings are... Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Hi, If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the preview pane. I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with a numpad. I'm used to using the laptop keyboard, so I only turn on NumPad Commander when I want to attach a USB numpad or do fancy simulations of numpad actions with the top row of number keys in combination with an arrow key. (This will let you access the unmodified NumPad Commander sequences for the same keys on the numeric keypad.) What happened when support for the embedded numeric keypad in laptops went away in Leopard, I found I could use some of the keys by turning MouseKeys on. But the side effect was that some of your control keys (like the Command key, as I recall) don't work in VoiceOver any more, so that is doubtless why they told us not to try using both NumPad Commander and Mouse Keys simultaneously in Leopard. In later versions of OS X I bet they simply disabled some of the functions if you have both modes activated. Regardless of the Oops!, people who have full keyboards with NumPad Commander activated can use their numpad to click on the splitter for the Preview pane in Mail by pressing Control+5 in Snow Leopard and Lion. The 5 is the key on the numpad. No need to turn on Mouse Keys. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they say. I also tried it with quicknav on or off in case the quicknav keys were interfering with mouse keys but nope. I a not even going to go there to try to get why this is. IF others are so inlined have fun puzzling it out. Smile. Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and VoiceOver cursor). In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right arrow or just right arrow in Quick Nav mode) starting from the Mailbox list, which I have set to be shown under the View options (toggle between show and hide with Command-Shift-M), I hear VoiceOver announce: Mailboxes, Vertical Splitter, Message Column, Vertical Splitter, then Message Content if the preview pane is not hidden. Once I'm navigate past the Message Column to the vertical splitter, I can move my mouse pointer to my VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5. Then I can turn on mouse keys by pressing the option key 5 times (as I have this configured under System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad). If I double tap the i key I can hide the preview pane. This moves the vertical splitter to the far right, eliminating the Message Content. I can also reverse the instructions and navigate to the new position of the vertical splitter, route my mouse cursor to my VoiceOver cursor again with VO-Command-F5, and double tap the i key to show the preview pane again. I do have to remember to turn mouse keys off again by pressing the option key 5 times if I want to type with other letter keys. I haven't been able to use VO-Shift-Space for clicking on the vertical splitter. I can do show or hide the preview pane in the new mail view for Lion whether or not I'm in full screen mode. When I switch between the new view and classic mail view the preview pane is either present or gone consistently in both views. Buddy is correct that the it's the vertical splitter in the new mail view that works analogous to the horizontal splitter in classic mail view to show or hide the preview pane. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: OK, I have all cursors tracking. That is, keyboard focus follows Voiceover, VO cursor follows keyboard focus, insertion point follows VO, mouse pointer follows VO. Oh wait. I just did something dumb. Never mind. I should maybe actually do this with Lion. LOL -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net wrote: I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you interact did you simulate a single click as I
best way to read threads when preview pain is turned off in lion mail
Hi all, Thanks to your great tips I got the preview pain out of my way and don't get messages marked as read as I pass through them. What is the best way in this case to read messages? Pressed command+o but when I delete messages in a thread I find they appear reappear as if they were duplicated. Anyone else noticed this? Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Pretty good explanation Esther as usually. A few observations however.1. I have a small keyboard and activate numpad keys with fn +letter keys but you are right that I do have numpad condor on. 2. Control numpad 5 did not work for the vertical splitter on my mac mini. Neither did vo shift space. Heard sound of click but nothing else happened. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with a numpad. I'm used to using the laptop keyboard, so I only turn on NumPad Commander when I want to attach a USB numpad or do fancy simulations of numpad actions with the top row of number keys in combination with an arrow key. (This will let you access the unmodified NumPad Commander sequences for the same keys on the numeric keypad.) What happened when support for the embedded numeric keypad in laptops went away in Leopard, I found I could use some of the keys by turning MouseKeys on. But the side effect was that some of your control keys (like the Command key, as I recall) don't work in VoiceOver any more, so that is doubtless why they told us not to try using both NumPad Commander and Mouse Keys simultaneously in Leopard. In later versions of OS X I bet they simply disabled some of the functions if you have both modes activated. Regardless of the Oops!, people who have full keyboards with NumPad Commander activated can use their numpad to click on the splitter for the Preview pane in Mail by pressing Control+5 in Snow Leopard and Lion. The 5 is the key on the numpad. No need to turn on Mouse Keys. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they say. I also tried it with quicknav on or off in case the quicknav keys were interfering with mouse keys but nope. I a not even going to go there to try to get why this is. IF others are so inlined have fun puzzling it out. Smile. Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and VoiceOver cursor). In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right arrow or just right arrow in Quick Nav mode) starting from the Mailbox list, which I have set to be shown under the View options (toggle between show and hide with Command-Shift-M), I hear VoiceOver announce: Mailboxes, Vertical Splitter, Message Column, Vertical Splitter, then Message Content if the preview pane is not hidden. Once I'm navigate past the Message Column to the vertical splitter, I can move my mouse pointer to my VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5. Then I can turn on mouse keys by pressing the option key 5 times (as I have this configured under System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad). If I double tap the i key I can hide the preview pane. This moves the vertical splitter to the far right, eliminating the Message Content. I can also reverse the instructions and navigate to the new position of the vertical splitter, route my mouse cursor to my VoiceOver cursor again with VO-Command-F5, and double tap the i key to show the preview pane again. I do have to remember to turn mouse keys off again by pressing the option key 5 times if I want to type with other letter keys. I haven't been able to use VO-Shift-Space for clicking on the vertical splitter. I can do show or hide the preview pane in the new mail view for Lion whether or not I'm in full screen mode. When I switch between the new view and classic mail view the preview pane is either present or gone consistently in both views. Buddy is correct that the it's the vertical splitter in the new mail view that works analogous to the horizontal splitter in classic mail view to show or hide the preview pane. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: OK, I have all
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi Ioana, If you're using the IOGear Bluetooth keyboard, I'm not sure how that works on the splitters. (The small keyboard description was the give-away -- everyone who recommends that keyboard for touch typing adds the comment, but I have small hands.) Yes, that keyboard has a num lock key in the F-key row, just as my 12 PowerBook G4 laptop does. (I got this laptop when I first joined the Macvisionaries list, back when I still used a dial-up connection. It was my first Mac, and it still works.) And you can use that laptop to type numpad style numbers with and embedded keyboard using the Fn key plus the letters on the right side of the keyboard (in the numpad region), just as I can on the PowerBook (in Tiger). I think you can activate the numeric functions when paired to the Mac by pressing the Numlock key -- which may be F6 -- without turning on NumPad Commander. But I don't think the modified NumPad Commander keys will work on this, such as using the Control key. I can't be sure, because I don't use this keyboard with my laptop, and only checked out its pairing behavior to learn what it could do. I'd have to use this in place of my Mac's laptop keyboard to check this out. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Pretty good explanation Esther as usually. A few observations however.1. I have a small keyboard and activate numpad keys with fn +letter keys but you are right that I do have numpad condor on. 2. Control numpad 5 did not work for the vertical splitter on my mac mini. Neither did vo shift space. Heard sound of click but nothing else happened. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 16, 2012, at 4:24 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Ioana, That's an Oops!. I keep forgetting that the VoiceOver Getting Started manual used to recommend that you should not turn on Mouse Keys if you have NumPad Commander turned on. I only remember that from the Leopard guide. You have a Mac Mini, and are using a full-sized keyboard with a numpad. I'm used to using the laptop keyboard, so I only turn on NumPad Commander when I want to attach a USB numpad or do fancy simulations of numpad actions with the top row of number keys in combination with an arrow key. (This will let you access the unmodified NumPad Commander sequences for the same keys on the numeric keypad.) What happened when support for the embedded numeric keypad in laptops went away in Leopard, I found I could use some of the keys by turning MouseKeys on. But the side effect was that some of your control keys (like the Command key, as I recall) don't work in VoiceOver any more, so that is doubtless why they told us not to try using both NumPad Commander and Mouse Keys simultaneously in Leopard. In later versions of OS X I bet they simply disabled some of the functions if you have both modes activated. Regardless of the Oops!, people who have full keyboards with NumPad Commander activated can use their numpad to click on the splitter for the Preview pane in Mail by pressing Control+5 in Snow Leopard and Lion. The 5 is the key on the numpad. No need to turn on Mouse Keys. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 16, 2012, at 10:03 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI all, I had a strange behavior with Esther's procedure. I placed mouse pointer on vertical splitter, turned mouse keys on and when pressing I key just heard a ding. It worked when I performed the FN +i on my keyboard to get the numpad 5 but only after turning vo off. What ever works as they say. I also tried it with quicknav on or off in case the quicknav keys were interfering with mouse keys but nope. I a not even going to go there to try to get why this is. IF others are so inlined have fun puzzling it out. Smile. Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Apr 15, 2012, at 10:01 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and VoiceOver cursor). In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right arrow or just right arrow in Quick Nav mode) starting from the Mailbox list, which I have set to be shown under the View options (toggle between show and hide with Command-Shift-M), I hear VoiceOver announce: Mailboxes, Vertical Splitter, Message Column, Vertical Splitter, then Message Content if the preview pane is not hidden. Once I'm navigate past the Message Column to the vertical splitter, I can move my mouse pointer to my VoiceOver
Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Thank you very much, I think I got it. I'll see if it stays off this time. Thanks again. Frank From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Anne Robertson Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2012 1:44 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi, If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the preview pane. I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you interact did you simulate a single click as I implied from your message? Please provide step by step including what your tracking settings in Voice Over settings are... Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Hi, If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the preview pane. I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
OK, I have all cursors tracking. That is, keyboard focus follows Voiceover, VO cursor follows keyboard focus, insertion point follows VO, mouse pointer follows VO. Oh wait. I just did something dumb. Never mind. I should maybe actually do this with Lion. LOL -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net wrote: I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you interact did you simulate a single click as I implied from your message? Please provide step by step including what your tracking settings in Voice Over settings are... Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Hi, If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the preview pane. I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad tab checked for Press the Option key five times to turn Mouse Keys on or off. This will work whether or not Trackpad Commander is turned off. Also, you can additionally check the option for Ignore built-in trackpad when Mouse Keys is on if you press (with VO-Space) the button for Trackpad Options… on the Mouse Trackpad tab of the Universal Access menu of System Preferences in Lion. This is for cases where people have difficulty with clicking the mouse or trackpad without moving the pointer, but it's useful in general to know. It's most useful when using applications which are transitioning in accessibility, where neither VO-Space or VO-Shift-Space will work to click on controls, and you need to perform physical clicks. Turning mouse keys on and clicking with the i key always works as an alternative in these instances. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:43 AM, Anne Robertson wrote: Hello Franc, First of all, you need to be in classic view to do this. You also need to have the Trackpad Commander turned off. Go to the horizontal splitter above the body of the message using the VO keys, then bring the mouse (VO-Cmd-F5) and double click using either the trackpad or the mouse, depending on what kind of computer you have. If you move the mouse pointer even slightly before the double click, it won't work. Cheers, Anne On 15 Apr 2012, at 16:10, Frank Ventura wrote: Hi all, I am using a Mac with the latest of Lion. Can anyone tell me how to disable the preview pane in Mac mail. I had some old directions for, I think, Leopard but they don't seem to work. Thanks Frank -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to
Re: Disabling the preview pane in Lion mail
Hi Buddy and Jon, This was interesting. I just re-enabled and disabled the Preview pane in the new mail view for Lion by clicking on the vertical splitter, but I did it with mouse keys. I was using Mouse pointer ignores VoiceOver Cursor for my navigation tracking options under VoiceOver Utility, with the other 4 boxes checked for cursors to track each other (keyboard focus, insertion point, and VoiceOver cursor). In the new mail view mode in Lion, navigating horizontally (with VO-Right arrow or just right arrow in Quick Nav mode) starting from the Mailbox list, which I have set to be shown under the View options (toggle between show and hide with Command-Shift-M), I hear VoiceOver announce: Mailboxes, Vertical Splitter, Message Column, Vertical Splitter, then Message Content if the preview pane is not hidden. Once I'm navigate past the Message Column to the vertical splitter, I can move my mouse pointer to my VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5. Then I can turn on mouse keys by pressing the option key 5 times (as I have this configured under System Preferences Universal Access Mouse Trackpad). If I double tap the i key I can hide the preview pane. This moves the vertical splitter to the far right, eliminating the Message Content. I can also reverse the instructions and navigate to the new position of the vertical splitter, route my mouse cursor to my VoiceOver cursor again with VO-Command-F5, and double tap the i key to show the preview pane again. I do have to remember to turn mouse keys off again by pressing the option key 5 times if I want to type with other letter keys. I haven't been able to use VO-Shift-Space for clicking on the vertical splitter. I can do show or hide the preview pane in the new mail view for Lion whether or not I'm in full screen mode. When I switch between the new view and classic mail view the preview pane is either present or gone consistently in both views. Buddy is correct that the it's the vertical splitter in the new mail view that works analogous to the horizontal splitter in classic mail view to show or hide the preview pane. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: OK, I have all cursors tracking. That is, keyboard focus follows Voiceover, VO cursor follows keyboard focus, insertion point follows VO, mouse pointer follows VO. Oh wait. I just did something dumb. Never mind. I should maybe actually do this with Lion. LOL -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 9:09 PM, Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net wrote: I just tried this and was unable to reproduce on my MacBook. Did you interact did you simulate a single click as I implied from your message? Please provide step by step including what your tracking settings in Voice Over settings are... Thanks, Jonathan Jonathan C. Cohn jonc...@cox.net On Apr 15, 2012, at 8:54 PM, Buddy Brannan wrote: Hi, If you're in the new mail view, and not classic, it's the vertical splitter that hides the preview pane. And, indeed, you can double click with VO+shift+space to move it. I just did, both to open and to close the preview pane. I can't say how this works with classic view though, sorry. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: (814) 860-3194 or 888-75-BUDDY On Apr 15, 2012, at 7:33 PM, Esther mori...@mac.com wrote: Hi Mike, Double-clicking on the horizontal splitter with VO-Shift-Space (e.g., by holding down the Control, Option, and Shift keys while double tapping the space bar) used to work in Leopard to hide the Preview pane. I think this ability went away in Snow Leopard. There are definitely other examples of instances where you need a hardware key click to work. I think that you may be able to press the 5 key on the numeric keypad with NumPad Commander to click, as well, but since I use a laptop I'd have to attach a USB numeric keypad to try this. HTH. Cheers, Esther On Apr 15, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Mike Arrigo wrote: I do find that moving through messages is more responsive with the preview pane turned off. Interesting that the voiceover click mouse command doesn't work here, but it definitely does not. On Apr 15, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Esther wrote: Hi Anne, Just as an added comment, in situations like this one, where I want to make sure that the mouse pointer doesn't move when I double click, and a physical click with trackpad or mouse is required, I use mouse keys instead to perform the click. After routing my mouse cursor to the VoiceOver cursor with VO-Command-F5, I quickly press the option key 5 times to turn on mouse keys, then I double tap the i key instead of performing a double click with mouse or trackpad, and turn mouse keys off again by quickly pressing the option key 5 times. As you know, this requires having the box in the System Preferences
Re: lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
No signature seen here. Iona, I also have this same problem. Having the checkbox unchecked for threaded mail does help but you're right; it still marks them as read when you cursor by the single messages. I have number of preview lines set to None but still have the problem. When I asked about this some time ago on another list, it had been suggested that I use classic mode. Not sure I want to go that route and besides, it still marked messages read as I went by them so I find myself sticking to mutt on my linux box but that's hardly the solution here. Another thing I have done which keeps mail from being marked read is to turn off the VO cursor tracking with BO-Shift-F3 and use VO - arrow keys to scroll down the list and hear the subject fields and I think most of the time, hear the message status flags too. But then you would have to bring the live cursor down to catch up with VO and proceed the ones you want. Again, this is also quite awkward. I would be interested in more ideas to deal with mail on Lion. I think in the Apple world, the mail app on the iPod is better than the one found on the mac. On 3/30/12, Jennifer Perdue jlperd...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I like to use the VO J command to go from message title to message content. It makes things a lot faster for me. Oh, can someone tell me if my signature is going through? Thanks. On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Thanks this makes more sense, but this does not solve single messages being marked as read. As workaround I turned off completely the content column and just open the messages I want with command o. Still should there be an other method to do this without turning that column off completely I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Sorry; I wasn't clear. Make sure that checkbox is unchecked. Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI Teresa, I am afraid I don't get it. What you say would mark all messages read as I open a conversation. This would not solve my problem rather make it worse. When I do this every message or conversation is marked read as I vo through the list. Maybe I was not clear in detailing my problem. I will try to explain again my issue: In message column I use vo left and right to navigate the list and as I do this messages are marked as read, although I did not tab to the preview colin or open them in any way. I would like to avoid this and keep them marked as unread. Can this be done? Thanks and sorry for the confusion. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ioana, In Mail Preferences, go to the View tab and press VO-space. Navigate to the checkbox: Mark all messages as read when opening a conversation. This is assuming you have your messages grouped into conversations. HTH, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to
RE: How can I check if reply was sent in lion mail layout
Hello Ioana, In the current version of Apple Mail the Reply status is not read by VoiceOver in non-classic view. This is a bug that has been reported and documented to Apple. Hopefully, this will be addressed before the release of Mountain Lion. Mark From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Ioana Gandrabur Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 12:41 PM To: MacVisionaries Subject: How can I check if reply was sent in lion mail layout HI all, An other mail question from a newly with lion mail layout: IS there a way to see the status of reply being sent or not in this view? In classic layout you would have a column that would say if reply was sent. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
Hi, Ioana, In Mail Preferences, go to the View tab and press VO-space. Navigate to the checkbox: Mark all messages as read when opening a conversation. This is assuming you have your messages grouped into conversations. HTH, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
HI Teresa, I am afraid I don't get it. What you say would mark all messages read as I open a conversation. This would not solve my problem rather make it worse. When I do this every message or conversation is marked read as I vo through the list. Maybe I was not clear in detailing my problem. I will try to explain again my issue: In message column I use vo left and right to navigate the list and as I do this messages are marked as read, although I did not tab to the preview colin or open them in any way. I would like to avoid this and keep them marked as unread. Can this be done? Thanks and sorry for the confusion. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ioana, In Mail Preferences, go to the View tab and press VO-space. Navigate to the checkbox: Mark all messages as read when opening a conversation. This is assuming you have your messages grouped into conversations. HTH, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
Sorry; I wasn't clear. Make sure that checkbox is unchecked. Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI Teresa, I am afraid I don't get it. What you say would mark all messages read as I open a conversation. This would not solve my problem rather make it worse. When I do this every message or conversation is marked read as I vo through the list. Maybe I was not clear in detailing my problem. I will try to explain again my issue: In message column I use vo left and right to navigate the list and as I do this messages are marked as read, although I did not tab to the preview colin or open them in any way. I would like to avoid this and keep them marked as unread. Can this be done? Thanks and sorry for the confusion. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ioana, In Mail Preferences, go to the View tab and press VO-space. Navigate to the checkbox: Mark all messages as read when opening a conversation. This is assuming you have your messages grouped into conversations. HTH, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
Thanks this makes more sense, but this does not solve single messages being marked as read. As workaround I turned off completely the content column and just open the messages I want with command o. Still should there be an other method to do this without turning that column off completely I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Sorry; I wasn't clear. Make sure that checkbox is unchecked. Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI Teresa, I am afraid I don't get it. What you say would mark all messages read as I open a conversation. This would not solve my problem rather make it worse. When I do this every message or conversation is marked read as I vo through the list. Maybe I was not clear in detailing my problem. I will try to explain again my issue: In message column I use vo left and right to navigate the list and as I do this messages are marked as read, although I did not tab to the preview colin or open them in any way. I would like to avoid this and keep them marked as unread. Can this be done? Thanks and sorry for the confusion. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ioana, In Mail Preferences, go to the View tab and press VO-space. Navigate to the checkbox: Mark all messages as read when opening a conversation. This is assuming you have your messages grouped into conversations. HTH, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail layout messages marked as read as I pas through them?
Hi, I like to use the VO J command to go from message title to message content. It makes things a lot faster for me. Oh, can someone tell me if my signature is going through? Thanks. On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:06 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Thanks this makes more sense, but this does not solve single messages being marked as read. As workaround I turned off completely the content column and just open the messages I want with command o. Still should there be an other method to do this without turning that column off completely I would love to hear about it. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 7:27 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Sorry; I wasn't clear. Make sure that checkbox is unchecked. Teresa Slow down; you'll get there faster. On Mar 30, 2012, at 2:32 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: HI Teresa, I am afraid I don't get it. What you say would mark all messages read as I open a conversation. This would not solve my problem rather make it worse. When I do this every message or conversation is marked read as I vo through the list. Maybe I was not clear in detailing my problem. I will try to explain again my issue: In message column I use vo left and right to navigate the list and as I do this messages are marked as read, although I did not tab to the preview colin or open them in any way. I would like to avoid this and keep them marked as unread. Can this be done? Thanks and sorry for the confusion. Best, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. On Mar 30, 2012, at 3:25 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Ioana, In Mail Preferences, go to the View tab and press VO-space. Navigate to the checkbox: Mark all messages as read when opening a conversation. This is assuming you have your messages grouped into conversations. HTH, Teresa I'm a pantheist; I worship Pan. On Mar 30, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hello, I have turned message preview to none in view preferences. However, wen I vo through the list of messages if they are not part of a conversation, the messages are marked as read. Can I avoid this? It makes sifting through mail confusing since often I am looking for urea messages and some show up as read although I just past them with vo THanks for your help, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
How can I check if reply was sent in lion mail layout
HI all, An other mail question from a newly with lion mail layout: IS there a way to see the status of reply being sent or not in this view? In classic layout you would have a column that would say if reply was sent. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: How can I check if reply was sent in lion mail layout
Hi Ioana again. Normally the new reply gets attached to the end of the conversation if you are viewing the conversation left to right with VO. Or the new message will appear first if you have deleted the other messages from the conversations. I hope this is not too confusing for you and others. Kawal. On 29 Mar 2012, at 08:40 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote: HI all, An other mail question from a newly with lion mail layout: IS there a way to see the status of reply being sent or not in this view? In classic layout you would have a column that would say if reply was sent. Thanks, Ioana Please check out my cd on www.ioanagandrabur.com on iTunes and most online stores. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
saving attachments in lion mail
Hello everyone, I am using classic view on lion mail and I am not being able to just move to save, where I could choose save all or choose a specific file to save and the location for it. I can do a vo shift m and that gives me an option to safe attachments, but still it does not let me save all when I have more than one file. Any other ways to get to save all? Thanks, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: saving attachments in lion mail
Hi Rachel, If you interact with the message content table, you should find a message headers group. Interact with that, then find the Save popupbutton. Press it and you'll get a menu from which you'll be able to select Save All. Hope this helps. REgards, Gavin Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466 Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792 Email: g.batw...@gmail.com Mobile Email/MSN: customtra...@live.co.za Skype: batworx Mobile Skype: batworx.iPhone Facebook: http://facebook.com/batworx Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx On 22 Nov 2011, at 2:05 PM, Rachel Magario wrote: Hello everyone, I am using classic view on lion mail and I am not being able to just move to save, where I could choose save all or choose a specific file to save and the location for it. I can do a vo shift m and that gives me an option to safe attachments, but still it does not let me save all when I have more than one file. Any other ways to get to save all? Thanks, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: saving attachments in lion mail
Hi, I might be wrong about this but, I believe selecting save attachments in the file menu will do the same. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Gavin wrote: Hi Rachel, If you interact with the message content table, you should find a message headers group. Interact with that, then find the Save popupbutton. Press it and you'll get a menu from which you'll be able to select Save All. Hope this helps. REgards, Gavin Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466 Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792 Email: g.batw...@gmail.com Mobile Email/MSN: customtra...@live.co.za Skype: batworx Mobile Skype: batworx.iPhone Facebook: http://facebook.com/batworx Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx On 22 Nov 2011, at 2:05 PM, Rachel Magario wrote: Hello everyone, I am using classic view on lion mail and I am not being able to just move to save, where I could choose save all or choose a specific file to save and the location for it. I can do a vo shift m and that gives me an option to safe attachments, but still it does not let me save all when I have more than one file. Any other ways to get to save all? Thanks, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: saving attachments in lion mail
Thanks to you both! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:28 AM, Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I might be wrong about this but, I believe selecting save attachments in the file menu will do the same. hth Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Nov 22, 2011, at 7:41 AM, Gavin wrote: Hi Rachel, If you interact with the message content table, you should find a message headers group. Interact with that, then find the Save popupbutton. Press it and you'll get a menu from which you'll be able to select Save All. Hope this helps. REgards, Gavin Phone: +27 (0) 83 713-6191 Secondary Phone: +27 (0) 79 157-2466 Fax: +27 (0) 86 617-5792 Email: g.batw...@gmail.com Mobile Email/MSN: customtra...@live.co.za Skype: batworx Mobile Skype: batworx.iPhone Facebook: http://facebook.com/batworx Twitter: http://twitter.com/batworx On 22 Nov 2011, at 2:05 PM, Rachel Magario wrote: Hello everyone, I am using classic view on lion mail and I am not being able to just move to save, where I could choose save all or choose a specific file to save and the location for it. I can do a vo shift m and that gives me an option to safe attachments, but still it does not let me save all when I have more than one file. Any other ways to get to save all? Thanks, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
A Quick Tip for Those Now Using Control-Tab in Lion Mail 7.2
Hello Everyone, As has been noted in previous messages, it is now necessary to add the [Control] key to the [Tab] key in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area when Lion 7.2 Mail is set to its default 3-column view. Let's hope that Apple addresses this so that we can, once again, return to only needing to press the [Tab] key to accomplish this jump. For those of us using an Apple keyboard that only has one [Control] key, said key being on the same side of the keyboard as the [Tab] key, this new key combination can quickly become uncomfortable. I am delighted to report that, for the time being at least, you can use the [Command]+[Option] keys as modifiers to the [Tab] in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area; this means that you can press the [Command]+[Option] keys on the right side of the Spacebar while tapping the [Tab] key, iliminating the need to press the [Control] key altogether. Mark PS I wonder how many times I can squeeze the word key in to one paragraph? (Smile). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Quick Tip for Those Now Using Control-Tab in Lion Mail 7.2
You can also use VO+J to jump to the message area. On 22 Oct 2011, at 09:24, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, As has been noted in previous messages, it is now necessary to add the [Control] key to the [Tab] key in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area when Lion 7.2 Mail is set to its default 3-column view. Let's hope that Apple addresses this so that we can, once again, return to only needing to press the [Tab] key to accomplish this jump. For those of us using an Apple keyboard that only has one [Control] key, said key being on the same side of the keyboard as the [Tab] key, this new key combination can quickly become uncomfortable. I am delighted to report that, for the time being at least, you can use the [Command]+[Option] keys as modifiers to the [Tab] in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area; this means that you can press the [Command]+[Option] keys on the right side of the Spacebar while tapping the [Tab] key, iliminating the need to press the [Control] key altogether. Mark PS I wonder how many times I can squeeze the word key in to one paragraph? (Smile). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Quick Tip for Those Now Using Control-Tab in Lion Mail 7.2
Hello everyone I have using Siri to dictate this message thank you for your email Mark I'm sure you'll tips will be valuable to us who are using the email in threaded view your email always makes me smile keep writing thank you: Sent from my iPhone On 22 Oct 2011, at 09:24 AM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: Hello Everyone, As has been noted in previous messages, it is now necessary to add the [Control] key to the [Tab] key in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area when Lion 7.2 Mail is set to its default 3-column view. Let's hope that Apple addresses this so that we can, once again, return to only needing to press the [Tab] key to accomplish this jump. For those of us using an Apple keyboard that only has one [Control] key, said key being on the same side of the keyboard as the [Tab] key, this new key combination can quickly become uncomfortable. I am delighted to report that, for the time being at least, you can use the [Command]+[Option] keys as modifiers to the [Tab] in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area; this means that you can press the [Command]+[Option] keys on the right side of the Spacebar while tapping the [Tab] key, iliminating the need to press the [Control] key altogether. Mark PS I wonder how many times I can squeeze the word key in to one paragraph? (Smile). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Quick Tip for Those Now Using Control-Tab in Lion Mail 7.2
Wow that is a cool fix, I didn't even know that was a valid shortcut key. Wish apple were more forthcoming with this kind of stuff. On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:24 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, As has been noted in previous messages, it is now necessary to add the [Control] key to the [Tab] key in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area when Lion 7.2 Mail is set to its default 3-column view. Let's hope that Apple addresses this so that we can, once again, return to only needing to press the [Tab] key to accomplish this jump. For those of us using an Apple keyboard that only has one [Control] key, said key being on the same side of the keyboard as the [Tab] key, this new key combination can quickly become uncomfortable. I am delighted to report that, for the time being at least, you can use the [Command]+[Option] keys as modifiers to the [Tab] in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area; this means that you can press the [Command]+[Option] keys on the right side of the Spacebar while tapping the [Tab] key, iliminating the need to press the [Control] key altogether. Mark PS I wonder how many times I can squeeze the word key in to one paragraph? (Smile). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Quick Tip for Those Now Using Control-Tab in Lion Mail 7.2
I just put my thumb on the control key and my middle finger on the tab key, but I have long fingers. :) Teresa Man is matter's ability to contemplate itself.--Albert Einstein On Oct 22, 2011, at 1:24 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, As has been noted in previous messages, it is now necessary to add the [Control] key to the [Tab] key in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area when Lion 7.2 Mail is set to its default 3-column view. Let's hope that Apple addresses this so that we can, once again, return to only needing to press the [Tab] key to accomplish this jump. For those of us using an Apple keyboard that only has one [Control] key, said key being on the same side of the keyboard as the [Tab] key, this new key combination can quickly become uncomfortable. I am delighted to report that, for the time being at least, you can use the [Command]+[Option] keys as modifiers to the [Tab] in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area; this means that you can press the [Command]+[Option] keys on the right side of the Spacebar while tapping the [Tab] key, iliminating the need to press the [Control] key altogether. Mark PS I wonder how many times I can squeeze the word key in to one paragraph? (Smile). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: A Quick Tip for Those Now Using Control-Tab in Lion Mail 7.2
Just a note: the VO-J key combo takes you straight into a single message area, whereas control-tab, if you're viewing conversations, takes you to the conversation level. Teresa On the other hand, there are different fingers. On Oct 22, 2011, at 11:05 AM, Chris Westbrook wrote: Wow that is a cool fix, I didn't even know that was a valid shortcut key. Wish apple were more forthcoming with this kind of stuff. On Oct 22, 2011, at 4:24 AM, M. Taylor wrote: Hello Everyone, As has been noted in previous messages, it is now necessary to add the [Control] key to the [Tab] key in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area when Lion 7.2 Mail is set to its default 3-column view. Let's hope that Apple addresses this so that we can, once again, return to only needing to press the [Tab] key to accomplish this jump. For those of us using an Apple keyboard that only has one [Control] key, said key being on the same side of the keyboard as the [Tab] key, this new key combination can quickly become uncomfortable. I am delighted to report that, for the time being at least, you can use the [Command]+[Option] keys as modifiers to the [Tab] in order to quickly jump to the Message Content Area; this means that you can press the [Command]+[Option] keys on the right side of the Spacebar while tapping the [Tab] key, iliminating the need to press the [Control] key altogether. Mark PS I wonder how many times I can squeeze the word key in to one paragraph? (Smile). -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail question
Are you using the standard Lion layout or have you gone back to the previous version. In the newer layout I can't figure out how to go down by files. A single field seems to include all the info, there doesn't seem to be a way to change to table or list view to easily go down the subject fields. Wondering if there is any way to rearrange these so the subject reads first. Thanks. Bill On Oct 21, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: I suppose you could change the sort order in the view menu and sort according to the field you want. Also I like to interact with the messages table and vo right to the subject field. Then I vo down and hear just subjects messages. Not quite what you were asking for but hope this helps. Take care, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail question
I suppose you could change the sort order in the view menu and sort according to the field you want. Also I like to interact with the messages table and vo right to the subject field. Then I vo down and hear just subjects messages. Not quite what you were asking for but hope this helps. Take care, Ioana -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Lion Mail question
Is there any way to change the display fields order in Lion Mail? I want to put subject first, then the from field. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Switching from 1 inbox to an other in lion mail question
Hi all, Thanks for your great tips in my first steps on the mac. Here I go again with an other one: Is there a way to quickly go to the list of mailboxes to switch between them? I can error around with vo and find the table if the list of mailboxes is showing and I suppose could set a hotspot but did not want to rediscover the wheel. :) Thanks, Ioana (Sent from my phone) Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Switching from 1 inbox to an other in lion mail question
Hi Ioana. I have lost my mailboxes more than once, and at first, got real frustrated. Lately, I have been either going to the menu and calling up Favorite Mailboxes. But when I finally remembered the command, I can press command-1 to go to the Inbox. So far it looks like if I can get my inbox to show the others show. Hope this helps. Regards, Gigi On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your great tips in my first steps on the mac. Here I go again with an other one: Is there a way to quickly go to the list of mailboxes to switch between them? I can error around with vo and find the table if the list of mailboxes is showing and I suppose could set a hotspot but did not want to rediscover the wheel. :) Thanks, Ioana (Sent from my phone) Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Switching from 1 inbox to an other in lion mail question
Hi there, Poking around I found that pressing command shift m shows or hides the mailbox list. Thought I'd share. Ioana On Sep 22, 2011, at 12:44 PM, Eugenia Firth wrote: Hi Ioana. I have lost my mailboxes more than once, and at first, got real frustrated. Lately, I have been either going to the menu and calling up Favorite Mailboxes. But when I finally remembered the command, I can press command-1 to go to the Inbox. So far it looks like if I can get my inbox to show the others show. Hope this helps. Regards, Gigi On Sep 22, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Ioana Gandrabur wrote: Hi all, Thanks for your great tips in my first steps on the mac. Here I go again with an other one: Is there a way to quickly go to the list of mailboxes to switch between them? I can error around with vo and find the table if the list of mailboxes is showing and I suppose could set a hotspot but did not want to rediscover the wheel. :) Thanks, Ioana (Sent from my phone) Please check out my new CD at www.ioanagandrabur.com or on itunes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
see more from, in lion mail
Dear listers, In the old days, before July this year, lol, we used to see all of the incoming message text we received. Nowadays, this is no longer true. If you hear: see more from, and then a name, how can you unhide that part of the message text, that Lion mail so neatly hides to unclutter the view? See more from, appears to be a link, but I have not managed to click on it. Any ideas? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
lion mail: add sender, and write new message
Dear listers, In Lion mail, I would like to add a sender to my address book. I googled for it, and I found this to be command shift y. That works. No further questions asked. I tried adding the same contact again, but no questions asked, and no dupe contacts created in address book. So that is neat. When I want to write a new message however, I don't know how to pick an address. I found that there is an address panel in the window menu of mail, and the panel is easy to understand in layout, but when I vo space on a contact name, wanting to send him her a new message, then I would expect to be taken to a new message, with the to, field already filled in. Instead, Voiceover just says confirm, the panel stays open, focus remains where it was. How do I create a new email for a person in my address book? I also tried vo spacing on the email address of the contact, but this time voiceover says nothing. Doing a Vo shift m, or routing the mouse and performing a left click, won't create the new message either. What am I missing here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail: add sender, and write new message
Hi, why not just start typing the contacts name in the To: field? The edit field will populate with matches as you type. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:05 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Dear listers, In Lion mail, I would like to add a sender to my address book. I googled for it, and I found this to be command shift y. That works. No further questions asked. I tried adding the same contact again, but no questions asked, and no dupe contacts created in address book. So that is neat. When I want to write a new message however, I don't know how to pick an address. I found that there is an address panel in the window menu of mail, and the panel is easy to understand in layout, but when I vo space on a contact name, wanting to send him her a new message, then I would expect to be taken to a new message, with the to, field already filled in. Instead, Voiceover just says confirm, the panel stays open, focus remains where it was. How do I create a new email for a person in my address book? I also tried vo spacing on the email address of the contact, but this time voiceover says nothing. Doing a Vo shift m, or routing the mouse and performing a left click, won't create the new message either. What am I missing here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail: add sender, and write new message
Ricardo, Thanks a lot. I didn't think of it but of course you're right. Nothing is so smipple that it can't be screwed up. Paul. On Sep 15, 2011, at 11:18 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: Hi, why not just start typing the contacts name in the To: field? The edit field will populate with matches as you type. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 15, 2011, at 5:05 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Dear listers, In Lion mail, I would like to add a sender to my address book. I googled for it, and I found this to be command shift y. That works. No further questions asked. I tried adding the same contact again, but no questions asked, and no dupe contacts created in address book. So that is neat. When I want to write a new message however, I don't know how to pick an address. I found that there is an address panel in the window menu of mail, and the panel is easy to understand in layout, but when I vo space on a contact name, wanting to send him her a new message, then I would expect to be taken to a new message, with the to, field already filled in. Instead, Voiceover just says confirm, the panel stays open, focus remains where it was. How do I create a new email for a person in my address book? I also tried vo spacing on the email address of the contact, but this time voiceover says nothing. Doing a Vo shift m, or routing the mouse and performing a left click, won't create the new message either. What am I missing here? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
how to continue a draft in lion mail?
Hi list, I think I found the solution to the question how you can continue working on a draft, after you quit it. 1. Open mail and begin a new message. Type some text. 2. Now if you want to do something else and continue working on this message later, you press command w to close this new message window. You will be asked what to do. Choose: save as draft. Then, quit mail. 3. To continue your draft, fire up mail and open the drafts mailbox, either from the mailbox table or from the favorites bar. 4. Now find your message. I had 12 drafts before I found out what to do. So choose the message you want to continue on. 5. Now move over to the text area of the message. You can read it as usual, no problem. However, Even if you turn quicknav off, even if you press vo space on the text, even if you press a routing button on your braille display somewhere over the text, no, the cursor will not appear, so no, you just can't continue typing. 6. So, after moving to the message text of the draft as in step 5 above, To open the draft for further editing, just pretend to send it and hit command shift d. This is the keystroke I normally use to send a written message. On a locked draft message however, it will not immediately send your message. Instead, it will open the message for further editing. Hooray. Edit to your liking, and hit command shift d once more to really send it out. Hth, Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver
Robert, You have to first focus on the mailbox you want to search, either a main folder or a sub folder. Then press command-option-F to enter the search box in the toolbar, enter your search, and use the up/down arrow keys to choose a result. Press enter on the result you would like to inspect, and go to the messages list. Here you will find all matching results. You can also use the Favorite Bar to choose a folder, or select the All checkbox to see results from all of your folders. Hope this helps! :) John André *** John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794 Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no *** On 30. aug. 2011, at 23:29, Robert Carter wrote: Hi All, I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search results. Do you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver? Thanks, Robert Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver
Hi John, This was very helpful. I see how to search in an individual mailbox but am not finding a checkbox to search all. Can you say a bit more about where to find the search all checkbox? Thanks, Robert Carter On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:00 AM, John André Netland wrote: Robert, You have to first focus on the mailbox you want to search, either a main folder or a sub folder. Then press command-option-F to enter the search box in the toolbar, enter your search, and use the up/down arrow keys to choose a result. Press enter on the result you would like to inspect, and go to the messages list. Here you will find all matching results. You can also use the Favorite Bar to choose a folder, or select the All checkbox to see results from all of your folders. Hope this helps! :) John André *** John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794 Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no *** On 30. aug. 2011, at 23:29, Robert Carter wrote: Hi All, I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search results. Do you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver? Thanks, Robert Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver
Hi Robert, You'll find it in the Favorites Bar, right after the Show/hide mailbox table button. Cheers, John André *** John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794 Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no *** On 31. aug. 2011, at 14:49, Robert Carter wrote: Hi John, This was very helpful. I see how to search in an individual mailbox but am not finding a checkbox to search all. Can you say a bit more about where to find the search all checkbox? Thanks, Robert Carter On Aug 31, 2011, at 7:00 AM, John André Netland wrote: Robert, You have to first focus on the mailbox you want to search, either a main folder or a sub folder. Then press command-option-F to enter the search box in the toolbar, enter your search, and use the up/down arrow keys to choose a result. Press enter on the result you would like to inspect, and go to the messages list. Here you will find all matching results. You can also use the Favorite Bar to choose a folder, or select the All checkbox to see results from all of your folders. Hope this helps! :) John André *** John André Netland - Voice/SMS/MMS (+47) 971 68 794 Visit online at www.a-pro-studio.no *** On 30. aug. 2011, at 23:29, Robert Carter wrote: Hi All, I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search results. Do you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver? Thanks, Robert Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Searching Lion mail with VoiceOver
Hi All, I was just listening to the latest Mac Power Users podcast and they were talking about how great searching is now in Lion mail. I discovered that command+option+f will allow one to initiate a search from the keyboard. I could not, however, figure out how to use VoiceOver to review the search results. Do you all know how to use this search feature with VoiceOver? Thanks, Robert Carter -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Lion mail search interface and vo
Dear list, Question is: Once you go to the search field in the toolbar in Lion mail, and type something in, 1. Do I press enter afterwards or not? 2. What exactly can I search for? Through subject lines and in the message body seems apparent, but can you also search message headers, or find messages with an attachment? After having typed the search term, I don't really know what to do next. I don't see a menu of some sort. I try to arrow around, and I sometimes hit parts of the interface. Can anyone tell how this is layed out, and how one should operate it? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion mail search interface and vo
Hi Paul! When I use this in SL after typing the search word I stop interacting and then get further choices like all mail boxes or the one I'm in like trash then choices like sent from subject whole of message then at the end the table of results! Then I just interact with that table and scroll through! hth Colin On 25 Aug 2011, at 18:29, Paul Erkens wrote: Dear list, Question is: Once you go to the search field in the toolbar in Lion mail, and type something in, 1. Do I press enter afterwards or not? 2. What exactly can I search for? Through subject lines and in the message body seems apparent, but can you also search message headers, or find messages with an attachment? After having typed the search term, I don't really know what to do next. I don't see a menu of some sort. I try to arrow around, and I sometimes hit parts of the interface. Can anyone tell how this is laid out, and how one should operate it? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion mail search interface and vo
Paul, I answered this already on the Dutch list. Better check if people reply to your questions ;-) Best, Ronald Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 25 aug. 2011 om 19:29 heeft Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Dear list, Question is: Once you go to the search field in the toolbar in Lion mail, and type something in, 1. Do I press enter afterwards or not? 2. What exactly can I search for? Through subject lines and in the message body seems apparent, but can you also search message headers, or find messages with an attachment? After having typed the search term, I don't really know what to do next. I don't see a menu of some sort. I try to arrow around, and I sometimes hit parts of the interface. Can anyone tell how this is layed out, and how one should operate it? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion mail search interface and vo
Hi! Would you kindly tell a bit about more of the search-options I'm not on that list since I do not speak Dutch. Thanks in advance. Best regards Thomas Den 25/08/2011 kl. 20.06 skrev RvR: Paul, I answered this already on the Dutch list. Better check if people reply to your questions ;-) Best, Ronald Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPhone Op 25 aug. 2011 om 19:29 heeft Paul Erkens paul.erk...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Dear list, Question is: Once you go to the search field in the toolbar in Lion mail, and type something in, 1. Do I press enter afterwards or not? 2. What exactly can I search for? Through subject lines and in the message body seems apparent, but can you also search message headers, or find messages with an attachment? After having typed the search term, I don't really know what to do next. I don't see a menu of some sort. I try to arrow around, and I sometimes hit parts of the interface. Can anyone tell how this is layed out, and how one should operate it? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion mail search interface and vo
Hi Colin, Unfortunately, this is what I've been reading so far. But in Lion mail, well, at least in my setup and my machine, simply typing a search in the mail toolbar, stopping to interact and then vo arrowing around, does not take me to any further choices you mention. Hopefully someone else would like to kick in here? Being able to use search in Lion mail is something I would love to get my mind around, because I miss the functionality. Paul. On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:55 PM, Red.Falcon wrote: Hi Paul! When I use this in SL after typing the search word I stop interacting and then get further choices like all mail boxes or the one I'm in like trash then choices like sent from subject whole of message then at the end the table of results! Then I just interact with that table and scroll through! hth Colin On 25 Aug 2011, at 18:29, Paul Erkens wrote: Dear list, Question is: Once you go to the search field in the toolbar in Lion mail, and type something in, 1. Do I press enter afterwards or not? 2. What exactly can I search for? Through subject lines and in the message body seems apparent, but can you also search message headers, or find messages with an attachment? After having typed the search term, I don't really know what to do next. I don't see a menu of some sort. I try to arrow around, and I sometimes hit parts of the interface. Can anyone tell how this is laid out, and how one should operate it? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: favorites bar in lion mail
Hi Teresa and list, That is clear so far. How would you go about removing an item from the favorites bar? I spent some time yesterday, trying to figure it out, but while making an alias to a mailbox inside the favorites bar is easy now that I know how to do it, it is not as easy to undo that. Any idea how that can be done? I'm asking because the favorites bar has a few items by default, that I want to remove. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Paul, The favorites bar contains shortcuts or aliases to the actual mailboxes. What you will want to do is use VO drag-and drop. Move the item from the favorites bar to the mailbox list with VO-comma and VO-period to drag and drop respectively. HTH, Teresa On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Brian and list, I managed to drag my private inbox to the favorites bar, so that it is easily reachable. I learned how to do that on this list. It is very useful, given the command 1 etc options. But now, is it possible to remove an item present in the favorites bar? There is an aggregate inbox that I'd like to get rid of, and also the sent items item is of little use to me in the favorites bar. Here's what I tried so far. 1. Delete and fn delete, with the v o cursor on the mailbox to remove, in the favorites bar. . However, since mail cannot know where the voiceover cursor is, this won't do it. 2. I moved the mouse to the favorites bar and to the mailbox I wanted to remove. V o command f5 gets the mouse pointer over to where the v o cursor is. I checked the mouse position with v o f5. Then, I held down control and pressed down the bottom left corner of the trackpad. This won't remove the mailbox intended, from the favorites bar though. Option click won't either. 3. Having the mouse on the mailbox name I want to remove from the favorites bar, clicking the mouse and attempting a context menu with v o shift m, won't do the job either. So, I think one should drag the mailbox off of the favorites bar to get rid of it there. Is that true? Where would a sighted person drop it on the screen? Can we get to an empty spot on the lion mail screen using voiceover? Interested to know. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello Paul, Whichever mailbox is reported as checked is the mailbox you will find when you navigate to your message list. I believe the checkboxes on Mail's Favorites bar would actually be better described as radio buttons because you can only have one selected at a time. You'll notice if you navigate between the items on the favorites bar, pressing VO+spacebar on one item will uncheck whichever other item was previously checked.. Regarding your second question: Yes, one of the functions of the favorites bar is to allow access to mailboxes if the mailbox list is closed. In addition, it also provides a nice set of shortcuts to selected mailboxes via the Command+1,2,3,etc keystrokes. The favorites bar can be used whether the mailbox list is opened or closed. HTH, Bryan On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: favorites bar in lion mail
Hello Paul, I was only able to drag a folder away from the favorites bar using the old drag and drop method: Move the VO cursor over to the folder you want to remove, in the Favorites bar. Move the mouse cursor to where the VO cursor is with VO Command F5 Press the mouse button down with VO Command space bar Stop interacting with the Favorites bar and move the VO cursor to the Mailboxes table. Move again the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO Command F5 Release the down mouse button with VO Command Space bar. And that's it. Hope it helps, André On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Teresa and list, That is clear so far. How would you go about removing an item from the favorites bar? I spent some time yesterday, trying to figure it out, but while making an alias to a mailbox inside the favorites bar is easy now that I know how to do it, it is not as easy to undo that. Any idea how that can be done? I'm asking because the favorites bar has a few items by default, that I want to remove. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Paul, The favorites bar contains shortcuts or aliases to the actual mailboxes. What you will want to do is use VO drag-and drop. Move the item from the favorites bar to the mailbox list with VO-comma and VO-period to drag and drop respectively. HTH, Teresa On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Brian and list, I managed to drag my private inbox to the favorites bar, so that it is easily reachable. I learned how to do that on this list. It is very useful, given the command 1 etc options. But now, is it possible to remove an item present in the favorites bar? There is an aggregate inbox that I'd like to get rid of, and also the sent items item is of little use to me in the favorites bar. Here's what I tried so far. 1. Delete and fn delete, with the v o cursor on the mailbox to remove, in the favorites bar. . However, since mail cannot know where the voiceover cursor is, this won't do it. 2. I moved the mouse to the favorites bar and to the mailbox I wanted to remove. V o command f5 gets the mouse pointer over to where the v o cursor is. I checked the mouse position with v o f5. Then, I held down control and pressed down the bottom left corner of the trackpad. This won't remove the mailbox intended, from the favorites bar though. Option click won't either. 3. Having the mouse on the mailbox name I want to remove from the favorites bar, clicking the mouse and attempting a context menu with v o shift m, won't do the job either. So, I think one should drag the mailbox off of the favorites bar to get rid of it there. Is that true? Where would a sighted person drop it on the screen? Can we get to an empty spot on the lion mail screen using voiceover? Interested to know. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello Paul, Whichever mailbox is reported as checked is the mailbox you will find when you navigate to your message list. I believe the checkboxes on Mail's Favorites bar would actually be better described as radio buttons because you can only have one selected at a time. You'll notice if you navigate between the items on the favorites bar, pressing VO+spacebar on one item will uncheck whichever other item was previously checked.. Regarding your second question: Yes, one of the functions of the favorites bar is to allow access to mailboxes if the mailbox list is closed. In addition, it also provides a nice set of shortcuts to selected mailboxes via the Command+1,2,3,etc keystrokes. The favorites bar can be used whether the mailbox list is opened or closed. HTH, Bryan On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Re: favorites bar in lion mail
Sorry, guys; I couldn't remember which drag-and-drop method I'd used to do this. I'm pretty sure it was indeed the older method. Yesterday I had to use that method to add a folder to the favorites bar, and the new one was finding neither the draggable item nor the place to drop it. Teresa On Aug 6, 2011, at 4:42 AM, André Nuno Soares wrote: Hello Paul, I was only able to drag a folder away from the favorites bar using the old drag and drop method: Move the VO cursor over to the folder you want to remove, in the Favorites bar. Move the mouse cursor to where the VO cursor is with VO Command F5 Press the mouse button down with VO Command space bar Stop interacting with the Favorites bar and move the VO cursor to the Mailboxes table. Move again the mouse cursor to the VO cursor with VO Command F5 Release the down mouse button with VO Command Space bar. And that's it. Hope it helps, André On Aug 6, 2011, at 11:24 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Teresa and list, That is clear so far. How would you go about removing an item from the favorites bar? I spent some time yesterday, trying to figure it out, but while making an alias to a mailbox inside the favorites bar is easy now that I know how to do it, it is not as easy to undo that. Any idea how that can be done? I'm asking because the favorites bar has a few items by default, that I want to remove. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Teresa Cochran wrote: Hi, Paul, The favorites bar contains shortcuts or aliases to the actual mailboxes. What you will want to do is use VO drag-and drop. Move the item from the favorites bar to the mailbox list with VO-comma and VO-period to drag and drop respectively. HTH, Teresa On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Brian and list, I managed to drag my private inbox to the favorites bar, so that it is easily reachable. I learned how to do that on this list. It is very useful, given the command 1 etc options. But now, is it possible to remove an item present in the favorites bar? There is an aggregate inbox that I'd like to get rid of, and also the sent items item is of little use to me in the favorites bar. Here's what I tried so far. 1. Delete and fn delete, with the v o cursor on the mailbox to remove, in the favorites bar. . However, since mail cannot know where the voiceover cursor is, this won't do it. 2. I moved the mouse to the favorites bar and to the mailbox I wanted to remove. V o command f5 gets the mouse pointer over to where the v o cursor is. I checked the mouse position with v o f5. Then, I held down control and pressed down the bottom left corner of the trackpad. This won't remove the mailbox intended, from the favorites bar though. Option click won't either. 3. Having the mouse on the mailbox name I want to remove from the favorites bar, clicking the mouse and attempting a context menu with v o shift m, won't do the job either. So, I think one should drag the mailbox off of the favorites bar to get rid of it there. Is that true? Where would a sighted person drop it on the screen? Can we get to an empty spot on the lion mail screen using voiceover? Interested to know. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello Paul, Whichever mailbox is reported as checked is the mailbox you will find when you navigate to your message list. I believe the checkboxes on Mail's Favorites bar would actually be better described as radio buttons because you can only have one selected at a time. You'll notice if you navigate between the items on the favorites bar, pressing VO+spacebar on one item will uncheck whichever other item was previously checked.. Regarding your second question: Yes, one of the functions of the favorites bar is to allow access to mailboxes if the mailbox list is closed. In addition, it also provides a nice set of shortcuts to selected mailboxes via the Command+1,2,3,etc keystrokes. The favorites bar can be used whether the mailbox list is opened or closed. HTH, Bryan On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
VO speech rate in Lion mail
Hi all! Can someone please tell me what I need to do to speed up the speech rate in mail? Using the VO hot quick keys, ctrl+opt+cmd and the arrow keys speeds up speech for menus and ;the like, but does nothing for reading mail or typing rates. Thanks, Johnny -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
favorites bar in lion mail
Hi listers, In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: favorites bar in lion mail
Hello Paul, Whichever mailbox is reported as checked is the mailbox you will find when you navigate to your message list. I believe the checkboxes on Mail's Favorites bar would actually be better described as radio buttons because you can only have one selected at a time. You'll notice if you navigate between the items on the favorites bar, pressing VO+spacebar on one item will uncheck whichever other item was previously checked.. Regarding your second question: Yes, one of the functions of the favorites bar is to allow access to mailboxes if the mailbox list is closed. In addition, it also provides a nice set of shortcuts to selected mailboxes via the Command+1,2,3,etc keystrokes. The favorites bar can be used whether the mailbox list is opened or closed. HTH, Bryan On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
lion mail: draft
Hi list, While attempting to work with Lion mail efficiently throughout the past week, I still have a few questions about lion mail. Question 1. Once you start typing a new message and then close it with command plus w, and then telling mail to save it as a draft, the message does indeed appear in the drafts folder. However, I'm doing something wrong while attempting to continue the draft. Here's what I'm doing. a. I Go to the drafts mailbox by selecting it in the mailboxes list. b. I then Interact with the message collumn and then with the message table inside the column. This puts me in the message list that I can arrow past. I'm arrowing through my drafts. c. Once the draft that I want to continue working on is found, I tab over to the message content pain. d. Here, I v o right, from the header group to the message text. e. I then Turn off quicknav, find the bottom of the text and continue typing. Now, each letter I press, causes the mac boom to sound. What am I missing here? I'd like to continue typing, but that won't work. Any ideas how to handle this? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: favorites bar in lion mail
Hi Brian, Thanks for the quick and clear answer. That helps. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello Paul, Whichever mailbox is reported as checked is the mailbox you will find when you navigate to your message list. I believe the checkboxes on Mail's Favorites bar would actually be better described as radio buttons because you can only have one selected at a time. You'll notice if you navigate between the items on the favorites bar, pressing VO+spacebar on one item will uncheck whichever other item was previously checked.. Regarding your second question: Yes, one of the functions of the favorites bar is to allow access to mailboxes if the mailbox list is closed. In addition, it also provides a nice set of shortcuts to selected mailboxes via the Command+1,2,3,etc keystrokes. The favorites bar can be used whether the mailbox list is opened or closed. HTH, Bryan On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: lion mail: draft
I believe once you select the draft you wish to continue composing, hit enter on it to edit. Brett C. On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:09 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi list, While attempting to work with Lion mail efficiently throughout the past week, I still have a few questions about lion mail. Question 1. Once you start typing a new message and then close it with command plus w, and then telling mail to save it as a draft, the message does indeed appear in the drafts folder. However, I'm doing something wrong while attempting to continue the draft. Here's what I'm doing. a. I Go to the drafts mailbox by selecting it in the mailboxes list. b. I then Interact with the message collumn and then with the message table inside the column. This puts me in the message list that I can arrow past. I'm arrowing through my drafts. c. Once the draft that I want to continue working on is found, I tab over to the message content pain. d. Here, I v o right, from the header group to the message text. e. I then Turn off quicknav, find the bottom of the text and continue typing. Now, each letter I press, causes the mac boom to sound. What am I missing here? I'd like to continue typing, but that won't work. Any ideas how to handle this? Paul. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: favorites bar in lion mail
Hi, Paul, The favorites bar contains shortcuts or aliases to the actual mailboxes. What you will want to do is use VO drag-and drop. Move the item from the favorites bar to the mailbox list with VO-comma and VO-period to drag and drop respectively. HTH, Teresa On Aug 5, 2011, at 10:05 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: Hi Brian and list, I managed to drag my private inbox to the favorites bar, so that it is easily reachable. I learned how to do that on this list. It is very useful, given the command 1 etc options. But now, is it possible to remove an item present in the favorites bar? There is an aggregate inbox that I'd like to get rid of, and also the sent items item is of little use to me in the favorites bar. Here's what I tried so far. 1. Delete and fn delete, with the v o cursor on the mailbox to remove, in the favorites bar. . However, since mail cannot know where the voiceover cursor is, this won't do it. 2. I moved the mouse to the favorites bar and to the mailbox I wanted to remove. V o command f5 gets the mouse pointer over to where the v o cursor is. I checked the mouse position with v o f5. Then, I held down control and pressed down the bottom left corner of the trackpad. This won't remove the mailbox intended, from the favorites bar though. Option click won't either. 3. Having the mouse on the mailbox name I want to remove from the favorites bar, clicking the mouse and attempting a context menu with v o shift m, won't do the job either. So, I think one should drag the mailbox off of the favorites bar to get rid of it there. Is that true? Where would a sighted person drop it on the screen? Can we get to an empty spot on the lion mail screen using voiceover? Interested to know. Paul. On Aug 5, 2011, at 6:04 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: Hello Paul, Whichever mailbox is reported as checked is the mailbox you will find when you navigate to your message list. I believe the checkboxes on Mail's Favorites bar would actually be better described as radio buttons because you can only have one selected at a time. You'll notice if you navigate between the items on the favorites bar, pressing VO+spacebar on one item will uncheck whichever other item was previously checked.. Regarding your second question: Yes, one of the functions of the favorites bar is to allow access to mailboxes if the mailbox list is closed. In addition, it also provides a nice set of shortcuts to selected mailboxes via the Command+1,2,3,etc keystrokes. The favorites bar can be used whether the mailbox list is opened or closed. HTH, Bryan On Aug 5, 2011, at 11:35 AM, Paul Erkens wrote: In the favorites bar that Teresa wrote about in Lion mail, there are checkboxes in front of the mailboxes I see there. What do these do? Also, am I correct in assuming that the favorites bar is there, so that one can switch mailboxes, even though the list of mailboxes is not opened? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Lion Mail, Conversations view and interacting
Hi All, A hopefully quick question, I used to have my mail in Snow Leopard set up so that my forums mail, which has its own mailbox and e-mail address, would be shown in a threaded view, I would arrow down my mailbox list to the Forums mailbox, stop interacting and arrow right to the messages view, then interact with it, then again interact with the columns and arrow over to the subject view. this meant that for me I had a quick and easy way of deleting entire threads I was not interested in, or opening entire threads that I was. It now seems though with Lion Mail, that when using the new view, and with conversations enabled, that one cannot interact with the columns within the messages view, making this impossible to achieve. put simply, I do not need to hear the info about author, from, date etc, just the subject line. thanks for any pointers or ideas. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail, Conversations view and interacting
Yeah I must admit, I used to browse this way too. I have not tried it in classic mode, so have you tried to see if you can still do it that way? On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:53, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Hi All, A hopefully quick question, I used to have my mail in Snow Leopard set up so that my forums mail, which has its own mailbox and e-mail address, would be shown in a threaded view, I would arrow down my mailbox list to the Forums mailbox, stop interacting and arrow right to the messages view, then interact with it, then again interact with the columns and arrow over to the subject view. this meant that for me I had a quick and easy way of deleting entire threads I was not interested in, or opening entire threads that I was. It now seems though with Lion Mail, that when using the new view, and with conversations enabled, that one cannot interact with the columns within the messages view, making this impossible to achieve. put simply, I do not need to hear the info about author, from, date etc, just the subject line. thanks for any pointers or ideas. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail, Conversations view and interacting
it does seem to work that way in classic view, but my opinion is that switching back to classic view is ultimately self defeating, as eventually classic view will go, and this will not be in Lion sure, but perhaps a revision or so down the line, at which time, learning all the changes from Snow Leopard to that version of OSx will be much harder, so although it hurts right now, I'd rather get to grips with the new view now. so need to find a way of doing this. On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:58, Chris Moore wrote: Yeah I must admit, I used to browse this way too. I have not tried it in classic mode, so have you tried to see if you can still do it that way? On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:53, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Hi All, A hopefully quick question, I used to have my mail in Snow Leopard set up so that my forums mail, which has its own mailbox and e-mail address, would be shown in a threaded view, I would arrow down my mailbox list to the Forums mailbox, stop interacting and arrow right to the messages view, then interact with it, then again interact with the columns and arrow over to the subject view. this meant that for me I had a quick and easy way of deleting entire threads I was not interested in, or opening entire threads that I was. It now seems though with Lion Mail, that when using the new view, and with conversations enabled, that one cannot interact with the columns within the messages view, making this impossible to achieve. put simply, I do not need to hear the info about author, from, date etc, just the subject line. thanks for any pointers or ideas. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail, Conversations view and interacting
I find that using the favorites bar in combination with quick-keys associated with it makes the new layout very easy to navigate. Once you create aliases in the favorites bar by simply dragging the mailboxes to it, you have the keystrokes command-1, command-2, command-3, etc. depending on the order the mailboxes are placed. Drag and drop is a bit tricky and takes a little coddling, but once everything's in place, it's a very efficient setup. HTH, Teresa On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: it does seem to work that way in classic view, but my opinion is that switching back to classic view is ultimately self defeating, as eventually classic view will go, and this will not be in Lion sure, but perhaps a revision or so down the line, at which time, learning all the changes from Snow Leopard to that version of OSx will be much harder, so although it hurts right now, I'd rather get to grips with the new view now. so need to find a way of doing this. On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:58, Chris Moore wrote: Yeah I must admit, I used to browse this way too. I have not tried it in classic mode, so have you tried to see if you can still do it that way? On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:53, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Hi All, A hopefully quick question, I used to have my mail in Snow Leopard set up so that my forums mail, which has its own mailbox and e-mail address, would be shown in a threaded view, I would arrow down my mailbox list to the Forums mailbox, stop interacting and arrow right to the messages view, then interact with it, then again interact with the columns and arrow over to the subject view. this meant that for me I had a quick and easy way of deleting entire threads I was not interested in, or opening entire threads that I was. It now seems though with Lion Mail, that when using the new view, and with conversations enabled, that one cannot interact with the columns within the messages view, making this impossible to achieve. put simply, I do not need to hear the info about author, from, date etc, just the subject line. thanks for any pointers or ideas. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail, Conversations view and interacting
Teresa, I'm sure that this works fine for any sort of mailbox management issue, but the issue to which I am referring to is a very specific one relating to interacting with columns. thanks. On 2 Aug 2011, at 14:29, Teresa Cochran wrote: I find that using the favorites bar in combination with quick-keys associated with it makes the new layout very easy to navigate. Once you create aliases in the favorites bar by simply dragging the mailboxes to it, you have the keystrokes command-1, command-2, command-3, etc. depending on the order the mailboxes are placed. Drag and drop is a bit tricky and takes a little coddling, but once everything's in place, it's a very efficient setup. HTH, Teresa On Aug 2, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: it does seem to work that way in classic view, but my opinion is that switching back to classic view is ultimately self defeating, as eventually classic view will go, and this will not be in Lion sure, but perhaps a revision or so down the line, at which time, learning all the changes from Snow Leopard to that version of OSx will be much harder, so although it hurts right now, I'd rather get to grips with the new view now. so need to find a way of doing this. On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:58, Chris Moore wrote: Yeah I must admit, I used to browse this way too. I have not tried it in classic mode, so have you tried to see if you can still do it that way? On 2 Aug 2011, at 10:53, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav wrote: Hi All, A hopefully quick question, I used to have my mail in Snow Leopard set up so that my forums mail, which has its own mailbox and e-mail address, would be shown in a threaded view, I would arrow down my mailbox list to the Forums mailbox, stop interacting and arrow right to the messages view, then interact with it, then again interact with the columns and arrow over to the subject view. this meant that for me I had a quick and easy way of deleting entire threads I was not interested in, or opening entire threads that I was. It now seems though with Lion Mail, that when using the new view, and with conversations enabled, that one cannot interact with the columns within the messages view, making this impossible to achieve. put simply, I do not need to hear the info about author, from, date etc, just the subject line. thanks for any pointers or ideas. Regards, Neil Barnfather Talks List Administrator Twitter @neilbarnfather TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com URL: - www.talknav.com e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com Phone: - +44 844 999 4199 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail
Hi Chris. I am using Mark's method although at times when I get to the message content, I have to swipe down with two fingers for Voice over to read or I can arrow down, or just do voice over J. Kawal. On 31 Jul 2011, at 01:22, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Lion Mail
Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail
I'm quite used to the new layout now, and feel comfortable with it, especially with the shortcut keys and favorites bar. I don't expand the conversation first; I just use the tab key to go into it and navigate through it with the arrow keys. VO-shift-home and end still work to take me to the top and bottom of the message list. I have a way that I can put my finger-pad on VO and shift keys so that it overlaps all of them at once, and it's like holding down one key with each hand. Teresa On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail
Chris, Its good to see the ban has been lifted and you're no long providing useless babble to the list (JUst kidding). All good stuff man and I'll switch and give it a try. Kev On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail
Actually my ban was done in error and the moderator at the time apologised, however for some reason my group settings had been set to no mail (I know I never set that) so I have missed all the lovely posts about Lion. So today I thought I best log into google to see what was going on. On 31 Jul 2011, at 01:44, Kevin Mattingly wrote: Chris, Its good to see the ban has been lifted and you're no long providing useless babble to the list (JUst kidding). All good stuff man and I'll switch and give it a try. Kev On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail
Hey I had never used VO+Shift and the end or home keys, I have just tried this though and it works great! Really pleased I checked my google settings now, as I really missed being able to quickly jump to the top or bottom of the messages list. Chris On 31 Jul 2011, at 01:43, Teresa Cochran wrote: I'm quite used to the new layout now, and feel comfortable with it, especially with the shortcut keys and favorites bar. I don't expand the conversation first; I just use the tab key to go into it and navigate through it with the arrow keys. VO-shift-home and end still work to take me to the top and bottom of the message list. I have a way that I can put my finger-pad on VO and shift keys so that it overlaps all of them at once, and it's like holding down one key with each hand. Teresa On Jul 30, 2011, at 5:22 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Lion Mail
Hello Chris, After some initial hesitation, I have adopted the new mail layout and the VO+J keystroke to move back and forth between the message list and message body. While I used to use the Tab key to move between all sections of mail under SL, it seems to me that the tab key has lost some of it's functionality under Lion Mail, even in the classic mail layout. I like the fact that VO+J automatically interacts with the chosen item and allows me to use either standard VO keys or just arrow keys to navigate within the column or the message body. Also, the fact that I'm already interacting means I can use the VO+Shift+Home/End as Teresa mentioned, thus making a workable substitute for the missing Option+Up/Down keystroke. While I have adopted the Favorites bar, I'm not as excited about it as other folks are. Also, I haven't taken time yet to try the conversations feature, so I can't comment on it. Overall, I am quite happy to have the expanded set of layout options and features found in Lion Mail. Cheers, Bryan On Jul 30, 2011, at 8:55 PM, Chris Moore wrote: Hey I had never used VO+Shift and the end or home keys, I have just tried this though and it works great! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Lion Mail
Hello Chris, You are quite correct in that using the Tab key to switch to the Message Contents area of Lion Mail, in the non-classic view may result in the text of the message not being automatically read. Since recording the podcast on how I use Lion Mail, instead of using single-key navigation, exclusively, I now employ the following technique: 1. With conversations collapsed, press the Tab key to jump to the Message Contents area (as described in the podcast). Generally, the text of the first message encountered will be read automatically. 2. Instead of using either the left or right arrow key to quickly switch between messages in the thread, add the VoiceOver key and each messasge in the thread will be read automatically. That is use VO+LeftArrow and VO+ RightArrow. Even with conversations collapsed, using VO+J will jump one directly into the text of the selected/displayed message; however, should one use the jump command from the messages table, the VO+Arrow key method of switching between messages in the thread will not work unless one stops interacting with the text of the message. As for me, I use a combination of all of these techniques excluding opening the conversation from the messages table. In short, there is no silver bullet here; each person has to find her/his own way in deciding how best to use Lion Mail. Those who may not have heard the podcast to which I am referring may http://mark.candleshoreblog.com/2011/07/27/ep98-mark-on-osx-lion-mail-with- voiceover/ Click Here to go to the BLOG posting containing the show. Chris, it's good to see you posting on-list. Mark -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Chris Moore Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:22 PM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Lion Mail Hi all, I am interested to know how everyone is now using Lion Mail? At first, I was using the classic view, but now I have switched to the new standard 3 column layout. I have my messages grouped by conversation (collapsed) and I used to hit enter to open all of the conversations (previously known as threads) in various windows. The oldest message would appear at the front, but in Lion the newest window opens in the front. So I have stopped using this method. I then listened to Mark Taylor's podcast on how he uses Mail. He simply just uses the tab key to jump between each of the 3 columns. I tried this method and found it ok, but I felt it did not always auto read the message. However, it is not a bad approach if you only want to use one key on the keyboard. Whilst Mark is in the message contents view, he then uses the arrow keys to move back and forth (left and right) between the messages within the thread). interesting approach, but I think I have found a better way. I looked to see if Apple had uploaded the VO online help file yet, and indeed they have. Apple suggest using VO+J to jumps between the messages list and the content of the message. I tried this and it works great. So now I just scroll down my messages list, if I see a thread or conversation I like the look of, then I just expand it by pressing the right arrow and then move to the first message in the thread/conversation and then press VO+J, VO will then start reading the message immediately and skips reading the mail header (who the message is from) and to jump back to the messages list, just either hit backspace to delete the message or press VO+J again which will take you back to the messages list to where you were in the list. I find this approach works really well, and I might implement the favourites function in lion mail to quickly jump between mail boxes and folders by holding down the command key and a number. For more information about the new favourites feature in mail,, then check out Ricardo Walker's excellent podcast. I would be interested to know how others are now using mail, and what about using it with the track pad? I have not done it that way yet as I have mainly been using Lion on my iMac with a full keyboard. However, I still really miss being able to jump to the top or bottom of my messages list (VO+command and either up or down arrow), this no longer works. Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit
Re: Episode: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver
Fantastic Mark for a great podcast. I'll configure nine like yours when I get home from work. Thank you once agaim. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jul 2011, at 09:43 AM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: The following was just posted to the Candle Shore BLOG: EP98: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver Hello All, In this approximately 9 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I demonstrate how to optimize the Mac OSX Lion mail client for use with VoiceOver, Apple’s software screen reading solution for the blind and low vision. Click Here to go to the article containing the link to the podcast. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: Episode: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver
I knew all of this recording, a good listen for a beginner though.h Kliphton SR (twitterSkype) kliphton72 http://twitter.com/kliphton72 (Marriage Blog) http://cm-i-t-real-world.blogspot.com (Marriage group) http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians http://groups.google.com/group/committed-married-christians Sent From my Imac From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kawal Gucukoglu Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 5:07 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Episode: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver Fantastic Mark for a great podcast. I'll configure nine like yours when I get home from work. Thank you once agaim. Sent from my iPhone On 27 Jul 2011, at 09:43 AM, M. Taylor mk...@ucla.edu wrote: The following was just posted to the Candle Shore BLOG: EP98: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver Hello All, In this approximately 9 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I demonstrate how to optimize the Mac OSX Lion mail client for use with VoiceOver, Apple's software screen reading solution for the blind and low vision. http://mark.candleshoreblog.com/2011/07/27/ep98-mark-on-osx-lion-mail-with- voiceover/ Click Here to go to the article containing the link to the podcast. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Episode: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver
Hi Mark, Thanks for a great presentation of using Mail in Lion. I can clearly see some of the new features as related to viewing threads in Mail. From what I've read, I think what I'll miss most when I upgrade is the ability to go to the top and bottom of the message list with two keys. Hopefully, that will be added back in an update. Les On Jul 27, 2011, at 4:43 AM, M. Taylor wrote: The following was just posted to the Candle Shore BLOG: EP98: Mark On OSX Lion Mail With VoiceOver Hello All, In this approximately 9 minute episode of the Candle Shore Podcast, I demonstrate how to optimize the Mac OSX Lion mail client for use with VoiceOver, Apple’s software screen reading solution for the blind and low vision. Click Here to go to the article containing the link to the podcast. Mark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
