Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Garth, You do not have to sugarcoat feature requests. In fact the more you are short and concise ensures there is no room for confusion. I suspect Apple did not use the caps lock key since people do use the key for entering text etc. Apple obviously selected a key combination they felt would not interfere with any other applications, which is a common problem with windows screen readers. Although I encourage all feature requests, I'm not sure APple will make this possible really soon in my opinion. I think the best you might hope for is that you can set the key or key combination yourself. COnsider that only JAWS users are going to want the caps lock key, WIndow-Eyes users will want the insert key and/or control key, and lord knows what the other screen readers use. In any case sorry if I misinterpreted what you were trying to say. On Sep 17, 2011, at 11:50 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi Scot It is not that I feel really strongly about the caps lock thing, I did my research prior to buying my Mac and still chose to get it. All I was saying is that it seemed pretty weird to me that this wasn't supported and frankly the sort of thing that I would have assumed would have been long ago added. You are right about the quick nav keys and the trackpad commander making the VO keys less necessary. I guess my point is that I think we should make requests of apple to add features we believe would improve the overal user experience and efficiency of using theOSX platform. This of course applies to the reporting of bugs as well. If something is broken or could be improved then write Apple Accessibility about it. This is how we can help to make things better. After all, things have improved since Tiger, ie, the afore mentioned quick nav and track pad commander have been added. Maybe this was because of feedback maybe not but I would assume that if the only feedback apple got about VO was how wonderful it was then they would not have bothered improving it. I am sorry that my assertion that sugarcoating wasn't necessary was interpreted as rude and demanding. This was not my intent. I was just marvelling at how polite Eric was in his request to Apple. I was not criticising it. My approach though would be to be a little more direct. That is, if it is a feature request then just state the request and explain the benefit. If it is a bug report then explain the bug and the steps to replicate it. The apple employees are I would assume professionals and would take this kind of approach just as seriously as one that was sugarcoated. I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I do feel that it is important that we help to address issues rather than just wishing it would get better. All the best Garth . On 18/09/2011, at 5:26 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I don't feel strongly about it but, I think it would make voiceover better. I don't know anyone who prefers to press more keys than less keys at a time. It might have made sense in Tiger for the VO keys to be control and option but, now? I don't know. I just think it would make voiceover that much easier to use. And it wouldn't compromise anything. I haven't had a problem with VO keys either but, that doesn't mean it can't be made to be better. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote: It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the VO keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far as how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I would not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is exactly how your message comes across. Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or allow the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that strong. On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi Eric Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this. It was one of those things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion a pretty dumb convention for Apple not to adopt. Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could learn from the other vendors who have come before. Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me. I wouldn't be
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Hi Eric Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this. It was one of those things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion a pretty dumb convention for Apple not to adopt. Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could learn from the other vendors who have come before. Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me. I wouldn't be bothered in sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more productive. Garth On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote: Hi Garth and others, I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier I make a point of writing and asking this once a year. If I could use that key I would be able to keep my hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more productive. This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over. I am glad to know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be the VO modifier. When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful screen Reader and computer. I really appreciate the care put into its development. However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock key be available as the VO keys. With this option I can keep my hands on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful! I'm off to go write my yearly note! Eric Caron On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their browser Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple :) SmileSent from my iPhone On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the VO keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far as how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I would not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is exactly how your message comes across. Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or allow the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that strong. On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi Eric Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this. It was one of those things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion a pretty dumb convention for Apple not to adopt. Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could learn from the other vendors who have come before. Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me. I wouldn't be bothered in sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more productive. Garth On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote: Hi Garth and others, I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier I make a point of writing and asking this once a year. If I could use that key I would be able to keep my hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more productive. This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over. I am glad to know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be the VO modifier. When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful screen Reader and computer. I really appreciate the care put into its development. However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock key be available as the VO keys. With this option I can keep my hands on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful! I'm off to go write my yearly note! Eric Caron On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their browser Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple :) SmileSent from my iPhone On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
I don't feel strongly about it but, I think it would make voiceover better. I don't know anyone who prefers to press more keys than less keys at a time. It might have made sense in Tiger for the VO keys to be control and option but, now? I don't know. I just think it would make voiceover that much easier to use. And it wouldn't compromise anything. I haven't had a problem with VO keys either but, that doesn't mean it can't be made to be better. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote: It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the VO keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far as how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I would not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is exactly how your message comes across. Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or allow the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that strong. On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi Eric Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this. It was one of those things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion a pretty dumb convention for Apple not to adopt. Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could learn from the other vendors who have come before. Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me. I wouldn't be bothered in sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more productive. Garth On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote: Hi Garth and others, I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier I make a point of writing and asking this once a year. If I could use that key I would be able to keep my hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more productive. This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over. I am glad to know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be the VO modifier. When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful screen Reader and computer. I really appreciate the care put into its development. However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock key be available as the VO keys. With this option I can keep my hands on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful! I'm off to go write my yearly note! Eric Caron On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their browser Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple :) SmileSent from my iPhone On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Hi Scot It is not that I feel really strongly about the caps lock thing, I did my research prior to buying my Mac and still chose to get it. All I was saying is that it seemed pretty weird to me that this wasn't supported and frankly the sort of thing that I would have assumed would have been long ago added. You are right about the quick nav keys and the trackpad commander making the VO keys less necessary. I guess my point is that I think we should make requests of apple to add features we believe would improve the overal user experience and efficiency of using theOSX platform. This of course applies to the reporting of bugs as well. If something is broken or could be improved then write Apple Accessibility about it. This is how we can help to make things better. After all, things have improved since Tiger, ie, the afore mentioned quick nav and track pad commander have been added. Maybe this was because of feedback maybe not but I would assume that if the only feedback apple got about VO was how wonderful it was then they would not have bothered improving it. I am sorry that my assertion that sugarcoating wasn't necessary was interpreted as rude and demanding. This was not my intent. I was just marvelling at how polite Eric was in his request to Apple. I was not criticising it. My approach though would be to be a little more direct. That is, if it is a feature request then just state the request and explain the benefit. If it is a bug report then explain the bug and the steps to replicate it. The apple employees are I would assume professionals and would take this kind of approach just as seriously as one that was sugarcoated. I am sorry if I have offended anyone. I do feel that it is important that we help to address issues rather than just wishing it would get better. All the best Garth . On 18/09/2011, at 5:26 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: I don't feel strongly about it but, I think it would make voiceover better. I don't know anyone who prefers to press more keys than less keys at a time. It might have made sense in Tiger for the VO keys to be control and option but, now? I don't know. I just think it would make voiceover that much easier to use. And it wouldn't compromise anything. I haven't had a problem with VO keys either but, that doesn't mean it can't be made to be better. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 17, 2011, at 2:59 PM, Scott Howell wrote: It amazes me how strongly people feel about this caps lock key issue. I have been using VoiceOver since Tiger and honestly I have never had a problem with the VO-keys and hell with quick nav it really is almost unnecessary for the VO keys. Do you think Freedom Scientific would be willing to allow a user to change the caps lock to any key or key combination they chose? Oh and as far as how you package your request, if you come across as demanding and rude, I would not anticipate your request being taken very seriously and that is exactly how your message comes across. Apple engineering obviously had a reason to choose a specific key combination and obviously the number of requests to change to something different or allow the user to choose any key or key combination has not been all that strong. On Sep 17, 2011, at 9:14 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi Eric Thanks for the reminder to write to apple abut this. It was one of those things that surprised me when I was looking into getting my Mac. The ability to configure the caps lock as the screen readers modify key is in my opinion a pretty dumb convention for Apple not to adopt. Please don't misunderstand me to be saying that I want everything on the Mac side to be done in the same way that it is on windows, this is certainly not the case. But on this particular issue I think that Apple could learn from the other vendors who have come before. Eric, you must be a lot more polite then me. I wouldn't be bothered in sugarcoating my request for a feature however I do think that you are absolutely right to point out how the feature would assist you be more productive. Garth On 17/09/2011, at 9:42 AM, Eric Caron wrote: Hi Garth and others, I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier I make a point of writing and asking this once a year. If I could use that key I would be able to keep my hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more productive. This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over. I am glad to know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be the VO modifier. When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful screen Reader and computer. I really appreciate the care put into its development. However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock key be available
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Hi Garth and others, I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier I make a point of writing and asking this once a year. If I could use that key I would be able to keep my hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more productive. This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over. I am glad to know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be the VO modifier. When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful screen Reader and computer. I really appreciate the care put into its development. However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock key be available as the VO keys. With this option I can keep my hands on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful! I'm off to go write my yearly note! Eric Caron On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their browser Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple :) SmileSent from my iPhone On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at
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Yup, like someone mentioned before, it should just be customizable. It make more sense if one could just use the modifier they wished to be their VO key. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 16, 2011, at 7:42 PM, Eric Caron wrote: Hi Garth and others, I was very happy to read your comment about writing to Apple about wanting the Caps lock key as the VO modifier I make a point of writing and asking this once a year. If I could use that key I would be able to keep my hands on the home row while using Voice Over commands and be much more productive. This is my strongest criticism of Voice Over. I am glad to know I'm not the only voice asking for Caps lock to be the VO modifier. When I write to them I usually say something like Thank you for this wonderful screen Reader and computer. I really appreciate the care put into its development. However, please add my voice to those asking that the Caps lock key be available as the VO keys. With this option I can keep my hands on the computer home row and use the VO functions. This is much easier and allows me to be more productive.Sincerely Eric Caron I hope others of you will write if you agree that this would be helpful! I'm off to go write my yearly note! Eric Caron On Sep 15, 2011, at 3:30 AM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their browser Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple :) SmileSent from my iPhone On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Just to be clear I was talking about googles operating system not their browser Anyway its a setting I would like and will be part of another email to apple :) SmileSent from my iPhone On 15/09/2011, at 1:57 PM, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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no no not all apple keyboards have 1 control key the wired version has 2 the wireless has 1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
I know, Thats why I said, the default keyboards come with only 1 control key. Because, you have to specify you want a wired keyboard when ordering a Mac. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 7:56 PM, james Walton wrote: no no not all apple keyboards have 1 control key the wired version has 2 the wireless has 1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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I do agree Scott! I love key board commanders. But track pad commanders is the reason I would not like to ever go back to windows! :)reason Yeah, although if Microsoft ever hired me, I would have to rethink it! hahaha Rachel. On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Oh no, then I will have to get used to something else? Oh no! :) :) :) Just kidding, I believe it makes sense what you are saying. But Mac has a lot of keyboard shortcuts and options, so I think that is why they made vo keys to be a combination to insure no conflicts and also no overlaps, so we could also enjoy of mac native or customizable shortcut keys. But I am with you, one key would work well! Although, I confess more and more I go away for the regular vo keys. Cheers, Rachel On Sep 14, 2011, at 5:52 PM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
that is what I thought, thanks Mike! On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:56 PM, james Walton wrote: no no not all apple keyboards have 1 control key the wired version has 2 the wireless has 1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
I agree, but I also think we should be able to customize it, by vo and even by software, go that I want to use google short cut key and there is conflict. But maybe that is an over kill! Is ok, I am that way! :) On Sep 14, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Garth Humphreys wrote: Hi I couldn't agree more. We should definately be able to configure the caps lock as the VO keys. Not because this is the way that other screen readers do it but because it is in my opinion a smart way of having it. The caps lock key is for most people hardly ever used. With googles chrome OS they have changed the caps lock key to a search key because they recognise the waste of space on the keyboard that the caps lock key currently represents On 15/09/2011, at 8:52 AM, Ricardo Walker wrote: If you ask me, they should just get rid of the VO command all together. I think just assigning 1 modifier key as your VO key would be a lot more efficient. For example, I rather press caps left or right arrow than control option left or right arrow. Especially since all macs come with a keyboard with only 1 control key by default now. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:33 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, I also use an MBP; however, I do typically use an external keyboard, but mainly since the machine is sitting on the desk. I believe with all the commanders available, it almost negates the need for the VO command. :) Well not quite, but getting close. What do you think? On Sep 13, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Rachel magario wrote: Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Here I just got used to it. I switched to Mac and started using Macbook, so I have no problem with it. In fact, I make use of the Trackpad heavily in cases where the need for VO keys is called for. On 13 Sep,2011, at 3:03 PM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Keith, I think it is just what you get used too. I never had a standard keyboard before and at work even the iMacs all have laptop bluetooth ones too. The track pad does help a lot and make life so much better free of so much keyboard short cuts. Rachel On Sep 13, 2011, at 8:51 AM, Ishe Chinyoka wrote: Here I just got used to it. I switched to Mac and started using Macbook, so I have no problem with it. In fact, I make use of the Trackpad heavily in cases where the need for VO keys is called for. On 13 Sep,2011, at 3:03 PM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
lol, you get use to it. having quick nav, trackpad commander, and keyboard commands help. Ricardo Walker rwalker...@gmail.com Twitter Skype: rwalker296 www.mobileaccess.org On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Gee Keith I do just fine. Its called using those undiscovered skills in being flexible. Of course over all the years I have known you I have tried really hard to scrub those undiscovered skills from your rusting brainpan. So, I apparently have partially succeeded. AIn't it nice to have friends? So, on a serious note,, how do you use the VO keys on the right side in conjunction with the VO commands? FOr example, can you perform a VO-l using the VO keys on the right side of the keyboard? If so, I am impressed. Maybe that is not what you intended. :) On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
You are such a nice friend Scott! ha ha ha I think, I might have had a friend like you who scrubbed mine uncovered skills too. I think I might have to hunt down whoever it was, to recover them! ;) Now seriously, I thought the option and control in the standard were in both sides, correct Keith? So we could use vo in the right or in the left depending upon the need. Am i right, or was just a dream? Please, don't judge me so hard if it was a dream. :) I never touched one, so I don't claim full responsibility! :) out of the tip of the finger, out of mind. But not free from the imagination! ha ha ha RM On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee Keith I do just fine. Its called using those undiscovered skills in being flexible. Of course over all the years I have known you I have tried really hard to scrub those undiscovered skills from your rusting brainpan. So, I apparently have partially succeeded. AIn't it nice to have friends? So, on a serious note,, how do you use the VO keys on the right side in conjunction with the VO commands? FOr example, can you perform a VO-l using the VO keys on the right side of the keyboard? If so, I am impressed. Maybe that is not what you intended. :) On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Hey Rachel, Yep, me is a skill thief.:) No, the control key is only on the left. So,not a dream, but a nightmare and worse yet, I am not Keith. :) Scott Howell Sent from my iPad On Sep 13, 2011, at 17:23, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: You are such a nice friend Scott! ha ha ha I think, I might have had a friend like you who scrubbed mine uncovered skills too. I think I might have to hunt down whoever it was, to recover them! ;) Now seriously, I thought the option and control in the standard were in both sides, correct Keith? So we could use vo in the right or in the left depending upon the need. Am i right, or was just a dream? Please, don't judge me so hard if it was a dream. :) I never touched one, so I don't claim full responsibility! :) out of the tip of the finger, out of mind. But not free from the imagination! ha ha ha RM On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee Keith I do just fine. Its called using those undiscovered skills in being flexible. Of course over all the years I have known you I have tried really hard to scrub those undiscovered skills from your rusting brainpan. So, I apparently have partially succeeded. AIn't it nice to have friends? So, on a serious note,, how do you use the VO keys on the right side in conjunction with the VO commands? FOr example, can you perform a VO-l using the VO keys on the right side of the keyboard? If so, I am impressed. Maybe that is not what you intended. :) On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Laptop / Bluetooth vs. Standard Keyboard
Hey Scott, haha The joke was for you! but the Question for Keith, I was asking about his type of keyboard. I am also an MBP user! :) So I am glad my nightmare was short! :) Cheers, Rachel. On Sep 13, 2011, at 5:18 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Hey Rachel, Yep, me is a skill thief.:) No, the control key is only on the left. So,not a dream, but a nightmare and worse yet, I am not Keith. :) Scott Howell Sent from my iPad On Sep 13, 2011, at 17:23, Rachel magario maga...@gmail.com wrote: You are such a nice friend Scott! ha ha ha I think, I might have had a friend like you who scrubbed mine uncovered skills too. I think I might have to hunt down whoever it was, to recover them! ;) Now seriously, I thought the option and control in the standard were in both sides, correct Keith? So we could use vo in the right or in the left depending upon the need. Am i right, or was just a dream? Please, don't judge me so hard if it was a dream. :) I never touched one, so I don't claim full responsibility! :) out of the tip of the finger, out of mind. But not free from the imagination! ha ha ha RM On Sep 13, 2011, at 3:27 PM, Scott Howell wrote: Gee Keith I do just fine. Its called using those undiscovered skills in being flexible. Of course over all the years I have known you I have tried really hard to scrub those undiscovered skills from your rusting brainpan. So, I apparently have partially succeeded. AIn't it nice to have friends? So, on a serious note,, how do you use the VO keys on the right side in conjunction with the VO commands? FOr example, can you perform a VO-l using the VO keys on the right side of the keyboard? If so, I am impressed. Maybe that is not what you intended. :) On Sep 13, 2011, at 9:03 AM, Keith Watson wrote: Hi all, Just a quick question about how you MBP / MBA / Bluetooth Keyboard owners deal with not having your VO keys on the right hand side of the keyboard. I was updating my daughters MB last night and found it to be a pain in the butt not having them available. Thanks, Keith Watson 813-760-1381 Sent from my iPhone -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
