Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
I second Spanish. I had a mexican girlfriend for about a year. Great accent! On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. > spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i > doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take > care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max > On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. >> >> >> I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) >> >> >> On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex >>> sounded "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen >>> to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's >>> honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox >>> Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the >>> strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as >>> opposed to the Mac somehow. >>> >>> At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, >>> everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I >>> have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac >>> OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound >>> too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all >>> when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the >>> Infovox voices are more stable at this point. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com >>> Facebook >>> Twitter >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >>> AIM: cincinster >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dave! >>>> I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] >>>> Colin. >>>> Skype focus_66 >>>> On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks >>>>> you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the >>>>> cheaper >>>>> the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac >>>>> apps >>>>> rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with >>>>> NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with >>>>> screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface >>>>> than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This >>>>> is >>>>> the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next >>>>> couple >>>>> of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for >>>>> everything I >>>>> can and only cross back when I have to. >>>>> >>>>> Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think >>>>> you'll >>>>> hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to >>>>> purchase and learn >>>>> >>>>> Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more >>>>> than others. >>>>> >>>>> Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many >>>>> people >>>>> >>>>> think very highly of it. >>>>> >>>>> What
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
i've never been sure of the proper spelling of u'all, so i always type it you all when i want to use it. lol thanks and take care, max On Aug 28, 2010, at 7:17 PM, Pete Nalda wrote: Don't you mean "I can say that, Y'all? I'm from Texas too :) I reckon I could use a voice that sounded like Reba MacIntyre. Hot Dawg! Oh, gosh, been down here too long dog gone it. On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't u
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Don't you mean "I can say that, Y'all? I'm from Texas too :) I reckon I could use a voice that sounded like Reba MacIntyre. Hot Dawg! Oh, gosh, been down here too long dog gone it. On Aug 28, 2010, at 4:25 PM, Maxwell Ivey Jr. wrote: > me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. > spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i > doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take > care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max > On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. >> >> >> I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) >> >> >> On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: >> >>> Hi! >>> >>> Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex >>> sounded "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen >>> to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's >>> honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox >>> Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the >>> strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as >>> opposed to the Mac somehow. >>> >>> At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, >>> everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I >>> have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac >>> OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound >>> too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all >>> when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the >>> Infovox voices are more stable at this point. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Nic >>> Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com >>> GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com >>> Facebook >>> Twitter >>> Skype: Kvalme >>> MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk >>> Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 >>> AIM: cincinster >>> >>> On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Dave! >>>> I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] >>>> Colin. >>>> Skype focus_66 >>>> On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: >>>> >>>>> They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks >>>>> you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the >>>>> cheaper >>>>> the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac >>>>> apps >>>>> rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with >>>>> NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with >>>>> screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface >>>>> than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This >>>>> is >>>>> the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next >>>>> couple >>>>> of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for >>>>> everything I >>>>> can and only cross back when I have to. >>>>> >>>>> Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think >>>>> you'll >>>>> hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -Original Message- >>>>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >>>>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM >>>>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>>>> Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to >>>>> purchase and learn >>>>> >>>>> Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more >>>>> than others. >>>>> >>>>> Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many >>>>>
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
me personally, i'd rather have a sexy english irish or russian voice on mine. spanish would be good. southern is pretty in a girl friend but so slow i doubt i'd get any work done. I'm from texas, so i can say that you all. take care guys, i'm sure the women will chime in soon with their picks. max On Aug 28, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Scott Granados wrote: Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion
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Sucks least is a great way to describe windows screen readers. I think we're all here for a reason on Macs. For me JFW was the best fit but that's probably more a factor of me learning that first and not learning other systems because jfw did what I needed. If you're in government work JFW will be the most familiar to the IT department. Demoing the products is the only way to go. Get that 30 day trial of VMFusion and fire up a windows image and call it done, test away. On Aug 28, 2010, at 8:21 AM, Geoff Waaler wrote: > But one thing to bare in mind is that all we can offer are subjective > opinions. Mine is that I've used all three and JFW sucks far far less than > those other two. WindowEyes purports to be rock solid, which in my > experience means that when there's a bug it remains there rock solid for > several versions, and in my dealings with them, I had cause to seriously > question their reputability. I have no love for FS but considering the other > replies you were receiving thought I'd make the point that there is hardly a > consensus. As Scott G suggests I would try the demos and see what works best > (or should I say sucks least) for the tasks you need to perform, and if you > can get by with NVDA that would be the best option since the price is right. > > Best regards. > Geoff > > - Original Message - > From: Mike Arrigo > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:00 AM > Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to > purchase and learn > > I would consider window eyes, or better yet, system access, these are great > products, certainly better than jaws in my opinion. I would try system access > first, it's much cheaper than the others and may meet your needs. > On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > > > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a > > screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had > > already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm > > being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and > > Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should > > invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than > > the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on > > the following questions: > > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > > should consider? > > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the > > others? > > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP > > so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new > > screen reader? > > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most > > of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is > > one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time > > period? > > > > TIA for any assistance, > > Bryan > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > > "MacVisionaries" group. > > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email > tomacvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, s
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Oh come on fellas, we need a hot Asian girl voice like they have for SAPI 5. I have to find it again but I did find this voice that was shockingly real.:) On Aug 28, 2010, at 3:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded > "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long > periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best > voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely > be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is > that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. > > At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, > everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I > have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS > X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too > comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it > dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices > are more stable at this point. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: > >> Hi Dave! >> I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] >> Colin. >> Skype focus_66 >> On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: >> >>> They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks >>> you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper >>> the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps >>> rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with >>> NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with >>> screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface >>> than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is >>> the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple >>> of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I >>> can and only cross back when I have to. >>> >>> Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll >>> hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to >>> purchase and learn >>> >>> Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more >>> than others. >>> >>> Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people >>> >>> think very highly of it. >>> >>> What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual >>> machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the >>> manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You >>> may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your >>> situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >>> I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and >>> leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. >>> Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in >>> installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bryan Jones" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM >>> Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase >>> and learn >>> >>> >>> I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really >>> want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used >>> Windows I was able to get b
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Thunder screen reader may be an option, though it costs rather much less than jaws or window-eyes.On Sat, 28 Aug 2010, Donna Goodin wrote: I use Victoria as well. Prefer her over Alex. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar wi
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Just to add to this, I'm a new Mac user and already agree with your points. I've been a jfw user for 12+ years and in less than a week already see myself dropping window intirely. Having Unix under the hood gives the Mac such a greater level of stability and usability. You also don't have the security concerns and constant flood of worms and virai like you do with Microsoft products. On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:15 AM, Dave Taylor wrote: > They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks > you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper > the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps > rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with > NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with > screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface > than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is > the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple > of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I > can and only cross back when I have to. > > Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll > hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! > > Cheers > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to > purchase and learn > > Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more > than others. > > Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people > > think very highly of it. > > What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual > machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the > manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You > may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your > situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and > leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. >Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in > installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. > > Hope that helps. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bryan Jones" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM > Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase > and learn > > > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen > > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. > I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the > > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the > others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP > so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new > screen reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send
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Hi. I'm a jaws user. However I have tried Windoweyes but didn't like playing chop sticks all the time. However, I'm getting use to Voice over. Just one thing to bear in mind with Jaws (Although I have solved it at home with Fusion), the loss of life's and then the constant calling of FS to get your counts reset once all three counts have been used. That was one of the last straws with Freedom Scientific before I heard of great Voice Over and no lives to loose and if needs be virtualising of windows if indeed I needed windows which is not a lot at home these days. I only use windows at work because of my job. Kawal. On 28 Aug 2010, at 05:38, Allison Manzino wrote: > Hi Bryan, > > I love WIndow-Eyes. I have used all three screen readers Hal, Jaws and > Window-Eyes. THe last one Window-Eyes is the one I use now. I have to use a > WIndows PC at work, and also at home for some of the tasks like scanning and > reading with Kurzweil etc. I like WE because GW Micro has a payment plan, I > am on it, and have about a year left. I don't think any Windows screen reader > is like VO. But Window-Eyes comes pretty close. VO interacts in a way that I > have never seen among any screen readers. I like Window-Eyes for the > following reasons it works with most off the shelf products, and doesn't > require the installation of scripts like Jaws. The other reason I like it is > that the customer support is much better than Freedom Scientific. I hope this > helps answer your question. > > Musically, > Allison > > My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! > > > On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > >> Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more >> than others. >> >> Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people >> think very highly of it. >> >> What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual >> machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the >> manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You >> may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your >> situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >> I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and >> leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. >> Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in >> installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM >> Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase >> and learn >> >> >> I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really >> want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used >> Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen >> reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already >> moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being >> required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet >> Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my >> time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. >> I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. >> >> Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a >> thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the >> following questions: >> 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I >> should consider? >> 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? >> 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the >> others? >> 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are >> they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP >> so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new >> screen reader? >> 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of >> my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one >> of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? >> >> TIA for any assistance, >> Bryan >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "MacVisionaries" group. >> To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. >> To
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi: Don't forget about System Access. There is a free version you can try. It works pretty well. The paid version gives you different otions. SA works pretty well on a Mac running Windows. On Aug 27, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Scott Granados wrote: > Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than > others. > > Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people > think very highly of it. > > What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual > machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the > manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may > need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your > situation although there is a podcast that details this process. > I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and > leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. > Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in > installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. > > Hope that helps. > > > > - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM > Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase > and learn > > > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I > will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so > that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen > reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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also you should really try nvda it has really progressed over the year and now has equivalents to the jaws and windows flat review cursors I use it for my windows screen reader perminetly and can do just almost about everything that jaws can do if not better and more stable seriously give it a look at its free after all just make sure you download the latest snapshot nvda-project.org click on development and then development code thanks hth On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than > others. > > Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people > think very highly of it. > > What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual > machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the > manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may > need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your > situation although there is a podcast that details this process. > I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and > leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. > Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in > installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. > > Hope that helps. > > > > - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM > Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase > and learn > > > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I > will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so > that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen > reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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But one thing to bare in mind is that all we can offer are subjective opinions. Mine is that I've used all three and JFW sucks far far less than those other two. WindowEyes purports to be rock solid, which in my experience means that when there's a bug it remains there rock solid for several versions, and in my dealings with them, I had cause to seriously question their reputability. I have no love for FS but considering the other replies you were receiving thought I'd make the point that there is hardly a consensus. As Scott G suggests I would try the demos and see what works best (or should I say sucks least) for the tasks you need to perform, and if you can get by with NVDA that would be the best option since the price is right. Best regards. Geoff - Original Message - From: Mike Arrigo To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 10:00 AM Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I would consider window eyes, or better yet, system access, these are great products, certainly better than jaws in my opinion. I would try system access first, it's much cheaper than the others and may meet your needs. On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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not really, I used the demos and they are all auto play. If anyone would like to troubleshoot privately, I'd be glad to provide temporary access. Just have to contact me off list. On 2010-08-28, at 10:59 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hum... Is there a demo we can try? There are a lot of enterprising > individuals on here. Maybe some one can get it to fly. > > Best, > > Erik Burggraaf > Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. > Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and > subscribe. > > On 2010-08-28, at 10:19 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > >> I agree with Eric, however I am myself being forced to use windows for one >> app. My problem, I visit and am learning drums with the use of online >> tutorials. Each dvd available for stream, but not for download, presents >> itself with a flash movie, and one must hit the play button to begin the >> festivities. If any has a non windows option that would allow for me to do >> this with an alternate player etc, I'd be glad not to bootcamp and look for >> nvda, but other wise the path to rock-and-roll greatness will have to ber >> achieved through windows as much as I dislike the prospect. >> On 2010-08-28, at 9:03 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: >> >>> Hi Brian, >>> >>> I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I >>> occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments >>> in the quoted message below. >>> >>> I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, >>> making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination >>> of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools >>> for the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as >>> possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person >>> is picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen >>> reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might >>> not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're >>> talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. >>> ...Something to think about. >>> >>> Hope this helps, >>> >>> Erik Burggraaf >>> Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille >>> box. >>> Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and >>> subscribe. >>> >>> On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? >>> Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, >>> but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's >>> usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if >>> you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of >>> the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? >>> Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen >>> readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating >>> system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly >>> equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw >>> everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your >>> windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about >>> switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution >>> people about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. >>> 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? >>> I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much >>> more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for >>> example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. >>> The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed >>> to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement >>> is also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? >>> Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's >>> possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last >>> time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for >>> win7 home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to >>> go xp at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp >>> and that's really what you want then go for it. >
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Hum... Is there a demo we can try? There are a lot of enterprising individuals on here. Maybe some one can get it to fly. Best, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-28, at 10:19 AM, Kaare Dehard wrote: > I agree with Eric, however I am myself being forced to use windows for one > app. My problem, I visit and am learning drums with the use of online > tutorials. Each dvd available for stream, but not for download, presents > itself with a flash movie, and one must hit the play button to begin the > festivities. If any has a non windows option that would allow for me to do > this with an alternate player etc, I'd be glad not to bootcamp and look for > nvda, but other wise the path to rock-and-roll greatness will have to ber > achieved through windows as much as I dislike the prospect. > On 2010-08-28, at 9:03 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > >> Hi Brian, >> >> I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I >> occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments >> in the quoted message below. >> >> I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, >> making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination >> of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for >> the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as >> possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is >> picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen >> reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might >> not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're >> talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. >> ...Something to think about. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Erik Burggraaf >> Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille >> box. >> Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and >> subscribe. >> >> On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: >>> . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: >>> 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I >>> should consider? >> Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, >> but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's >> usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if >> you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of >> the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. >>> 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? >> Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen >> readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating >> system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly >> equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw >> everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your >> windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about >> switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people >> about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. >> >>> 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the >>> others? >> I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much >> more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for >> example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. >> The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed >> to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is >> also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. >>> 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are >>> they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP >>> so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new >>> screen reader? >> Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's >> possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last >> time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 >> home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp >> at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and >> that's really what you want then go for it. >>> 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most >>> of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is >>> one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time >>> period? >> In a comparison of jaws to window-eyes, that would be window-eyes. Not only >>
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I agree with Eric, however I am myself being forced to use windows for one app. My problem, I visit and am learning drums with the use of online tutorials. Each dvd available for stream, but not for download, presents itself with a flash movie, and one must hit the play button to begin the festivities. If any has a non windows option that would allow for me to do this with an alternate player etc, I'd be glad not to bootcamp and look for nvda, but other wise the path to rock-and-roll greatness will have to ber achieved through windows as much as I dislike the prospect. On 2010-08-28, at 9:03 AM, erik burggraaf wrote: > Hi Brian, > > I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I > occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments > in the quoted message below. > > I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, > making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination > of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for > the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as > possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is > picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen reader, > and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might not be > worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're talking about > over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. ...Something to > think about. > > Hope this helps, > > Erik Burggraaf > Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. > Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and > subscribe. > > On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: >> . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: >> 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I >> should consider? > Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, > but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's > usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if > you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of > the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. >> 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen > readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating system > works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly equates to > control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw everything you > know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your windows screen > reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about switching from > windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people about > preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. > >> 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the >> others? > I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much > more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for example, > is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. The > window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed to the > jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is also > far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. >> 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are >> they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP >> so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new >> screen reader? > Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's > possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last time > I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 home > premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp at this > stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and that's > really what you want then go for it. >> 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of >> my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one >> of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > In a comparison of jaws to window-eyes, that would be window-eyes. Not only > is their professional level product about $400 cheeper than it's jaws > counterpart, but it's development sicle is longer. It also offers a 1 year > payment plan which will give you a major upgrade for free while you are > making payments, meaning that when you are done, you will have a fully > up-to-date screen reader. >> >> TIA for any assistance, >> Bryan >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
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I would consider window eyes, or better yet, system access, these are great products, certainly better than jaws in my opinion. I would try system access first, it's much cheaper than the others and may meet your needs. On Aug 27, 2010, at 10:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I > will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so > that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen > reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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I use Victoria as well. Prefer her over Alex. Donna On Aug 28, 2010, at 6:13 AM, Nicolai Svendsen wrote: > Hi! > > Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded > "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long > periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best > voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely > be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is > that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. > > At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, > everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I > have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS > X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too > comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it > dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices > are more stable at this point. > > Regards, > Nic > Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com > GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com > Facebook > Twitter > Skype: Kvalme > MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk > Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 > AIM: cincinster > > On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: > >> Hi Dave! >> I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] >> Colin. >> Skype focus_66 >> On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: >> >>> They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks >>> you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper >>> the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps >>> rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with >>> NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with >>> screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface >>> than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is >>> the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple >>> of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I >>> can and only cross back when I have to. >>> >>> Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll >>> hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! >>> >>> Cheers >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >>> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM >>> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >>> Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to >>> purchase and learn >>> >>> Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more >>> than others. >>> >>> Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people >>> >>> think very highly of it. >>> >>> What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual >>> machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the >>> manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You >>> may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your >>> situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >>> I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and >>> leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. >>> Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in >>> installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. >>> >>> Hope that helps. >>> >>> >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Bryan Jones" >>> To: >>> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM >>> Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase >>> and learn >>> >>> >>> I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really >>> want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used >>> Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen >>> >>> reader. By the time I ne
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Hi Brian, I teach jaws, window-eyes, and voiceover on a regular basis, and I occasionally support other screen readers as well. I've placed my comments in the quoted message below. I really think you would be better off doing everything on the mac, IE, making mail hit your exchange server, buying Iwork, or using a combination of other great free and low cost wordprocessing and spreadsheeting tools for the mac and in all other ways keeping your system as windows free as possible. I mean, explore your options. unless the impressionist person is picking up the bill for you to own windows, office, a high end screen reader, and anything else you need to work or learn under windows, it might not be worth the time and money it would take to impress them. We're talking about over a grand here, plus your time to learn a new system. ...Something to think about. Hope this helps, Erik Burggraaf Check out my first ever podcast tutorial, Learn braille using the braille box. Visit http://www.erik-burggraaf.com and click podcasts to read more and subscribe. On 2010-08-27, at 11:52 PM, Bryan Jones wrote: > . I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? Not really. I mean, there's dolphin Hal, thunder, and a few other options, but you don't hear much about these, and when you do, it seems there's usually a good reason. NVDA and system access may do what you need, but if you are using a screen reader for work, then I recommend paying for one of the top two, and as you can see, I recommend window-eyes. > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? Absolutely not. There are not any comparisons to draw in terms of screen readers. There are some comparisons in terms of the way the operating system works. The menu bars are familiar. System preferences roughly equates to control panel, that sort of thing. You'll just have to throw everything you know about voiceover out the window and start fresh on your windows screen reader of choice. Funny. We usually have to say that about switching from windows to mac. It's not too often we have to caution people about preconseptions in switching from mac to windows. > 3. Isz there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the > others? I vote window-eyes here. I find it's keyboard command structure to be much more intuitive than jaws. The window-eyes key to read the clock for example, is insert T for time, where-as the jaws keystroke is insert f12. The window-eyes key to read the status bar is control insert S, as opposed to the jaws keystroke insert end. The window-eyes mouse pointer movement is also far more intuitive in my view than the jaws setup. > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so > that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen > reader? Uh, it may be a moot point at this juncture. I'm not even sure if it's possible to buy xp anymore. It might be cheeper, or it might not. Last time I saw Canadian dollar prices, it was $169 for xp pro, and $120 for win7 home premium. I for sure wouldn't advize a paying client of mine to go xp at this stage, but you won't be relying on it, so if you can find xp and that's really what you want then go for it. > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? In a comparison of jaws to window-eyes, that would be window-eyes. Not only is their professional level product about $400 cheeper than it's jaws counterpart, but it's development sicle is longer. It also offers a 1 year payment plan which will give you a major upgrade for free while you are making payments, meaning that when you are done, you will have a fully up-to-date screen reader. > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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yep as a windows user i am beginning to think that mac for blind people is the way to go a friend of mine has just bought one and although where struggling with a fiew things at the momant it looks very promising. ian mcnamara. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi! Haha! Victoria scares me, man. I actually have a friend who said Alex sounded "hot" one time. I think he's the most comfortable voice to listen to for long periods of time, particularly if you have a headache. He's honestly the best voice I've heard yet on both platforms, though Infovox Peter would definitely be my choice on the Windows-side. However, the strange thing about that is that he actually sounds different on Windows as opposed to the Mac somehow. At any rate, you can probably do most things on the Mac-side. Of course, everything behaves differently, but the stability is very nice However, I have noticed a lack of stability with the Native Mac OS X voices since Mac OS X 10.6.3. I hope this isn't just me, and while I know that doesn't sound too comforting I'm hoping for a fix since I can't launch VoiceOver at all when it dies. The Ironic thing is that currently, at least for me the Infovox voices are more stable at this point. Regards, Nic Mobile Me: nic2...@me.com GoogleTalk: chojiro1...@gmail.com Facebook Twitter Skype: Kvalme MSN Messenger: nico...@home3.gvdnet.dk Yahoo! Messenger: cin368 AIM: cincinster On Aug 28, 2010, at 11:54 AM, focus wrote: > Hi Dave! > I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] > Colin. > Skype focus_66 > On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: > >> They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks >> you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper >> the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps >> rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with >> NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with >> screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface >> than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is >> the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple >> of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I >> can and only cross back when I have to. >> >> Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll >> hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! >> >> Cheers >> Dave >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados >> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM >> To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com >> Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to >> purchase and learn >> >> Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more >> than others. >> >> Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people >> >> think very highly of it. >> >> What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual >> machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the >> manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You >> may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your >> situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >> I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and >> leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. >> Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in >> installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Bryan Jones" >> To: >> Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM >> Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase >> and learn >> >> >> I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really >> want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used >> Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen >> >> reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already >> moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being >> required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet >> Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my >> time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. >> I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. >> >> Please send your replies directly to me off-
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Hi Dave! I'm a bit biust, but I think Victoria sounds much nicer than Alex!! :-] Colin. Skype focus_66 On 28 Aug 2010, at 08:15, Dave Taylor wrote: > They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks > you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper > the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps > rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with > NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with > screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface > than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is > the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple > of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I > can and only cross back when I have to. > > Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll > hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! > > Cheers > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to > purchase and learn > > Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more > than others. > > Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people > > think very highly of it. > > What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual > machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the > manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You > may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your > situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and > leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. >Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in > installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. > > Hope that helps. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bryan Jones" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM > Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase > and learn > > > I realise the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen > > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. > I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the > > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the > others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP > so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new > screen reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To
RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
There are a whole number of things I've found I simply can't do, particularly in Outlook and Excel, simple things like read an email from the iTunes store without having to put it in the browser, which requires four individual keystrokes and a long wait! -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Ekis Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 8:29 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn While I actually found office 2007 to be just as accessible and usable as anything else on windows, I agree that it is more pleasant to do anything on the Mac. I almost bought IWork, and might still do it, but so far I have found that a free word processer called bean does everything that I need to do when working with documents. You can find it at www.bean-osx.com. - Original Message - From: "Dave Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn > They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which > tasks > you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the > cheaper > the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac > apps > rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away > with > NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with > screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different > interface > than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. > This is > the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next > couple > of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for > everything I > can and only cross back when I have to. > > Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think > you'll > hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! > > Cheers > Dave > > > -Original Message- > From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados > Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM > To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to > purchase and learn > > Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that > more > than others. > > Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many > people > > think very highly of it. > > What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a > virtual > machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read > the > manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. > You > may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure > your > situation although there is a podcast that details this process. >I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable > and > leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most > expensive. >Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software > in > installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. > > Hope that helps. > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Bryan Jones" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM > Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to > purchase > and learn > > > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I > really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last > used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a > screen > > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had > already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and > Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should > invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the > others. > I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably > isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts > on the > > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any > others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the > oth
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
While I actually found office 2007 to be just as accessible and usable as anything else on windows, I agree that it is more pleasant to do anything on the Mac. I almost bought IWork, and might still do it, but so far I have found that a free word processer called bean does everything that I need to do when working with documents. You can find it at www.bean-osx.com. - Original Message - From: "Dave Taylor" To: Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:15 AM Subject: RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@go
RE: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
They are both very expensive though. I would urge working out which tasks you can do on the Mac side. The more you can do on the Mac side, the cheaper the screen reader you will need. If you can use iWork and built in Mac apps rather than touching Outlook, for instance, you can probably get away with NVDA. Office 2007 is slow and, in my view, doesn't work that well with screen readers. Office 2007 and 2010 use an entirely different interface than anything else out there and I think are slow and hard to learn. This is the main reason I won't be surprised if I make that order in the next couple of weeks and go over to a similar situation where I use Mac for everything I can and only cross back when I have to. Nothing works like VO, and nothing has a voice to match Alex, I think you'll hate everything about the way Windows is going, personally! Cheers Dave -Original Message- From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionar...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Granados Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 5:20 AM To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Hi Bryan, I love WIndow-Eyes. I have used all three screen readers Hal, Jaws and Window-Eyes. THe last one Window-Eyes is the one I use now. I have to use a WIndows PC at work, and also at home for some of the tasks like scanning and reading with Kurzweil etc. I like WE because GW Micro has a payment plan, I am on it, and have about a year left. I don't think any Windows screen reader is like VO. But Window-Eyes comes pretty close. VO interacts in a way that I have never seen among any screen readers. I like Window-Eyes for the following reasons it works with most off the shelf products, and doesn't require the installation of scripts like Jaws. The other reason I like it is that the customer support is much better than Freedom Scientific. I hope this helps answer your question. Musically, Allison My birds are winged blessings, they help me soar! On Aug 28, 2010, at 12:19 AM, Scott Granados wrote: > Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than > others. > > Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people > think very highly of it. > > What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual > machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the > manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may > need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your > situation although there is a podcast that details this process. > I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and > leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. > Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in > installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. > > Hope that helps. > > > > - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" > To: > Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM > Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase > and learn > > > I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really > want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used > Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen > reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already > moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being > required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet > Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my > time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I > will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. > > Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a > thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the > following questions: > 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I > should consider? > 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? > 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? > 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are > they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so > that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen > reader? > 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of > my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one > of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? > > TIA for any assistance, > Bryan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "MacVisionaries" group. > To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn
Jaws is more or less the standard in terms of you'll run in to that more than others. Window-eyes is another great option. I haven't used it but many many people think very highly of it. What I would do if I were you is take that Mac, set yourself up a virtual machine and try the demo copies of all the options you listed. Read the manual / ask questions and you should be able to bootstrap yourself. You may need help creating the VM for Windows I had a help desk not sure your situation although there is a podcast that details this process. I like Jaws myself but I have heard Window-eyes can be more stable and leaner on resources. Costs differ, JFW is probably the most expensive. Window-eyes comes with an option where you can pay for the software in installments which is a fantastic feature on a budget. Hope that helps. - Original Message - From: "Bryan Jones" To: Sent: Friday, August 27, 2010 8:52 PM Subject: Need Mac User's advice on which Windows screen reader to purchase and learn I realize the question might sound strange and even off-topic, but I really want to hear this advice from fellow Mac and VO Users. When I last used Windows I was able to get by with a screen magnifier and didn't use a screen reader. By the time I needed to start using a screen reader I had already moved to the Mac full time so VO was the natural choice. Now I'm being required to start using Windows again, along with Office 2007 and Internet Explorer 8 and I'm not sure which Windows screen reader I should invest my time and money to learn, or if one of them is more like VO than the others. I will be running either XP or Windows 7 under Fusion. Please send your replies directly to me off-list as this probably isn't a thread that needs to grow here. I would be grateful for your thoughts on the following questions: 1. I've heard of Jaws, Window-Eyes, System Access, and NVDA. Any others I should consider? 2. Is there a Windows screen reader that works like VO? 3. Is there one Windows screen reader that is easier to learn than the others? 4. I was intimately familiar with XP but don't know Windows 7 at all. Are they similar enough that I should get Windows 7, or should I try to get XP so that I don't have to learn a new operating system along with the new screen reader? 5. I will probably only need to use Windows for the next 2 years and most of my work will still be done on the Mac. Given this limited time frame, is one of the Windows screen readers less expensive to own over that time period? TIA for any assistance, Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "MacVisionaries" group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
