Re: OT--End of Freedom?
Hello. I don't really feel comfortable weighing in on this issue because the demise of JFW is apparently a rumor, nothing more. However, if you are looking for a positive experience with Windows 7, I would really consider using Windows 7 with Window-Eyes. It works great! As I write this note, however, I can't help but feel how good it is to be able to use Mac OS and built-in accessibility. We are extremely fortunate to have responsive people who are dedicated to making VO more than a week attempt to assert that accessibility issues are being addressed. On 6,Jun,2010, at 12:20 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Wish I hadn't paid $200 for versions 11, 12, 13. As a matter of fact, I'll be we hear something definitive soon, because version 12 should be, at least, being talked about within the next couple of months. I have a Vista machine I'd like to update to 7, but I've heard about so many people having issues with 7 and Jaws that I haven't even opened the update DVD yet. I've been trying to decide whether to install it on the mac via Fusion or Boot Camp, or upgrade my Vista machine. Guess I'll hang on to it a little longer. I don't even know if I can use an upgrade disk to install a fresh Windows 7 OS. On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
I heard the podcast about that Pearl camera, sounds impressive, but I already had Kurzweil, can't afford to buy $2000 worth of stuff to have camera scanning. I want it as scanners are getting slower and slower, my all in one takes forever compared to the old epson. I can't afford to switch, and now that they're putting activation in there too, more calls to make on every third reformat. - Original Message - From: Ana G lot.of.y...@sbcglobal.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: OT--End of Freedom? Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
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Honestly, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart and soul which have both seen heard and experience many horrid things in life, this whole freedom scientific thing is monstrous. I was sighted not long ago, and believed that accessibility tech and other handicap related accessories were subsidized, given by right by governments or organizations. After my accident, and looking for access solutions with my friend at the hospital, i first tried a free but weird screen reader which name i can't even remember. Then came window eyes, then JAws appeared on google. It seemed ok when installing the trial. Remember that at that point, anything that would allow me to still use the computer was nothing short of miraculous. I didn't even know how a screen reader worked. I then decided to purchase it and thought it would be priced like a microsoft Office or even a windows OS. Boy i was wrong, and suddenly frustrated, angry and bewildered by that 900USD price tag. So i immediately looked for an alternative to this ridiculous and stupid purchase. Consider that adobe products do far more complex things, that a full 3D package with over 2000 paremeters features including modelling texturing animation special effects rendering and post rendering, plugins, tools extensions, extensive manuals, network solutions for renders and awesome rendering engines for various 3d styles of drawing cost just a little over a screen reader, the latter which can be downloaded with a modem with all its features. you can stick Jaws on 6 floppy disks. You need 6 DvDs to have the Autodesk 3D studio max 2010 edition properly installed on your systemm. I tried to make abstraction, think that screen readers were extremely complex things with totally insanely arcane code under the hood, that all these gigabytes and gigabytes of data from professional softwae i used pre accident were just being overpriced. That Quality of the software was in compact elegance and not bloated media stuffings. In short, that i got screwed with all my previous graphic intensive software and that Jaws was written by the hand of god. OK i was just being utterly sarcastic :) Then my father came to visit me at the hospital, and vraught over his macbook 13 inch late 2008, and told me that he found out it had a scren reader, though the voice was seriously whacked. When Fred came up, somehow my dad decided that was the best voice in the bunch LOL, i wasn't impressed, but gave it some patience and learned bit by bit all of what blind computering would be. And i installed a cracked copy of Jaws which i then used for less than a month because my mac experience was so much better. It wasn't even worth trying with a free version, if you technically looked at it. Believe me, i have made the round of manuals forums and tips for jaws stuff. I still got all the nuance voices somewhere. But the jaws itself is just crap. Now i have a macbook pro 17 inch, learning the mac server environment and about to get my hands on a mac mini server for my own business, and have all my devices synched perfectly with mac software that does way more than a screen reader and costs a fraction, a bite of what Jaws costs albeit being more essential to my work environment. These arses at FS thought they could play with a blatant fact of life in blind individuals and make them believe that they couldn't work properly without their software. Its freaking backwards communism. It's dope dealing, its stealing pure and simple. I don't want a freaking pack mate that probably hulks around like a satellite phone unit. I don't want an OCR that i can't carry around and that costs 1000USD. Seriously, a thousand bucks for an OCR? I got the iphone and its beautifully integrated for my business card reading.. And i would never, not for a long shot, not if i was stuck with scrabble on saturn, consider installing JAWS. I hate the limitations on its spatial navigation anyway. TO put it simply, i need a cosmic experience when i use the computer otherwise it depresses the crap out of me. One thing i always opposed in life is injustice. I have seen it everywhere since i was a kid, because we travelled a lot in the family, and during documentaries and reports i would interact with subjects from various communities and ethnicities. I have grown to love the environment and its people, no matter how they are or looked. And i have a sensibility to people with lesser advantages by genetics or fate, than me. And when i see that these people from FS try to suck out all the money they can from blind individuals whose median has a high unemployment rate, and to find out that those who are skilled, positive and professional in their work, are set back by all the bugs and bullshit that FS gives them, whetehr through the software's rigid feeling navigation concept or its dodgy tech support line. I get a gigantic whole in my chest. This level of unfairness is prehistoric. It's
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
Hello; I understand your frustration and feel your pain. I'm a mac user because i was frustrated by the quality of windows laptops and having to convince one of three different vendors that it was their fault when something didn't work. but the truth here is different positions in the marketplace and different philosophies. JFW has a screen reader specifically for blind people a small market that the number dictate you must charge high prices to make good profits. Whether that is correct or not is not the subject here. but in apple's case they aren't offering the voiceover because blind people are a large market that spends lots of money they do it because their company philosophy is to believe that offering universal access will lead to long term growth as the population gets older and people with failing vision, hearing, or motor functions will come to or stay with mac. There are very few companies in any industry taking the long view any more but that's the difference here. Good for mac and lets pray for freedom that they can reevaluate their mission and approach and become a better stronger company in the future. for all of apple's progress, windows still dominantes the market on computers and a good economical screen reader for those machines will always have a future. thanks and take care, max On Jun 6, 2010, at 4:57 PM, Yuma Antoine Decaux wrote: Honestly, sincerely, from the bottom of my heart and soul which have both seen heard and experience many horrid things in life, this whole freedom scientific thing is monstrous. I was sighted not long ago, and believed that accessibility tech and other handicap related accessories were subsidized, given by right by governments or organizations. After my accident, and looking for access solutions with my friend at the hospital, i first tried a free but weird screen reader which name i can't even remember. Then came window eyes, then JAws appeared on google. It seemed ok when installing the trial. Remember that at that point, anything that would allow me to still use the computer was nothing short of miraculous. I didn't even know how a screen reader worked. I then decided to purchase it and thought it would be priced like a microsoft Office or even a windows OS. Boy i was wrong, and suddenly frustrated, angry and bewildered by that 900USD price tag. So i immediately looked for an alternative to this ridiculous and stupid purchase. Consider that adobe products do far more complex things, that a full 3D package with over 2000 paremeters features including modelling texturing animation special effects rendering and post rendering, plugins, tools extensions, extensive manuals, network solutions for renders and awesome rendering engines for various 3d styles of drawing cost just a little over a screen reader, the latter which can be downloaded with a modem with all its features. you can stick Jaws on 6 floppy disks. You need 6 DvDs to have the Autodesk 3D studio max 2010 edition properly installed on your systemm. I tried to make abstraction, think that screen readers were extremely complex things with totally insanely arcane code under the hood, that all these gigabytes and gigabytes of data from professional softwae i used pre accident were just being overpriced. That Quality of the software was in compact elegance and not bloated media stuffings. In short, that i got screwed with all my previous graphic intensive software and that Jaws was written by the hand of god. OK i was just being utterly sarcastic :) Then my father came to visit me at the hospital, and vraught over his macbook 13 inch late 2008, and told me that he found out it had a scren reader, though the voice was seriously whacked. When Fred came up, somehow my dad decided that was the best voice in the bunch LOL, i wasn't impressed, but gave it some patience and learned bit by bit all of what blind computering would be. And i installed a cracked copy of Jaws which i then used for less than a month because my mac experience was so much better. It wasn't even worth trying with a free version, if you technically looked at it. Believe me, i have made the round of manuals forums and tips for jaws stuff. I still got all the nuance voices somewhere. But the jaws itself is just crap. Now i have a macbook pro 17 inch, learning the mac server environment and about to get my hands on a mac mini server for my own business, and have all my devices synched perfectly with mac software that does way more than a screen reader and costs a fraction, a bite of what Jaws costs albeit being more essential to my work environment. These arses at FS thought they could play with a blatant fact of life in blind individuals and make them believe that they couldn't work properly without their software. Its freaking backwards communism. It's dope dealing, its stealing
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
I completely agree with you Mike! if one absolutely must use windows for work, or what have you, window eyes seems like a great product and a viable alternative to Jaws. My experience with PC's is pretty limited at this point (I've been exclusively a mac user for the past three years) but have heard good things about window eyes rom others. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 6, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hello. I don't really feel comfortable weighing in on this issue because the demise of JFW is apparently a rumor, nothing more. However, if you are looking for a positive experience with Windows 7, I would really consider using Windows 7 with Window-Eyes. It works great! As I write this note, however, I can't help but feel how good it is to be able to use Mac OS and built-in accessibility. We are extremely fortunate to have responsive people who are dedicated to making VO more than a week attempt to assert that accessibility issues are being addressed. On 6,Jun,2010, at 12:20 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Wish I hadn't paid $200 for versions 11, 12, 13. As a matter of fact, I'll be we hear something definitive soon, because version 12 should be, at least, being talked about within the next couple of months. I have a Vista machine I'd like to update to 7, but I've heard about so many people having issues with 7 and Jaws that I haven't even opened the update DVD yet. I've been trying to decide whether to install it on the mac via Fusion or Boot Camp, or upgrade my Vista machine. Guess I'll hang on to it a little longer. I don't even know if I can use an upgrade disk to install a fresh Windows 7 OS. On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
RE: OT--End of Freedom?
You don't need to keep activating. If it's anything like JAWS, You'll just need to back up a couple of files. But that's not a topic for this list. From: bhard...@doorpi.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: OT--End of Freedom? Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 16:14:22 -0500 I heard the podcast about that Pearl camera, sounds impressive, but I already had Kurzweil, can't afford to buy $2000 worth of stuff to have camera scanning. I want it as scanners are getting slower and slower, my all in one takes forever compared to the old epson. I can't afford to switch, and now that they're putting activation in there too, more calls to make on every third reformat. - Original Message - From: Ana G lot.of.y...@sbcglobal.net To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:26 PM Subject: Re: OT--End of Freedom? Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
I agree with you, Olivia and Mike. I switched from Jaws to Hal, and then from Hal to Window-Eyes. It's an expensive proposition, but GW Micro has a payment plan. It's the only way I was able to afford Window-Eyes and in my experience, GW Micro has much better technical support and customer service than Freedom. Allison On Jun 6, 2010, at 7:08 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: I completely agree with you Mike! if one absolutely must use windows for work, or what have you, window eyes seems like a great product and a viable alternative to Jaws. My experience with PC's is pretty limited at this point (I've been exclusively a mac user for the past three years) but have heard good things about window eyes rom others. Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 6, 2010, at 11:42 AM, Michael Busboom wrote: Hello. I don't really feel comfortable weighing in on this issue because the demise of JFW is apparently a rumor, nothing more. However, if you are looking for a positive experience with Windows 7, I would really consider using Windows 7 with Window-Eyes. It works great! As I write this note, however, I can't help but feel how good it is to be able to use Mac OS and built-in accessibility. We are extremely fortunate to have responsive people who are dedicated to making VO more than a week attempt to assert that accessibility issues are being addressed. On 6,Jun,2010, at 12:20 AM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Wish I hadn't paid $200 for versions 11, 12, 13. As a matter of fact, I'll be we hear something definitive soon, because version 12 should be, at least, being talked about within the next couple of months. I have a Vista machine I'd like to update to 7, but I've heard about so many people having issues with 7 and Jaws that I haven't even opened the update DVD yet. I've been trying to decide whether to install it on the mac via Fusion or Boot Camp, or upgrade my Vista machine. Guess I'll hang on to it a little longer. I don't even know if I can use an upgrade disk to install a fresh Windows 7 OS. On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
Hi, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with Freedom. I had a similar problem with my BrailleLite. I sent it in for repair only to have Freedom tell me that the New York State Commission for the Blind had not paid them for the repair yet, so they would not release it to me. I gave them my credit card and $450 later, I had myself a BrailleLite. You might be wondering what the repair was, changing the battery. That's all they did, needless to say I thought it was a ripoff, and the Commission thought I had other repairs made to it since the price was so high. Allison On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: I can tell you something, I request for resets of licence, no one ever gets back to me, I have to call the US and have said on one occasion that if they do not let me have the reset of my licence, I will not upgrade anymore. On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/Text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
your situation demonstrates something important. You and users like you have rarely if ever been who freedom scientific considered their market. Instead its the agencies, largely staffed with people who Neither understand fully or use at all the products that they feel is their market. Therefore they can charge the moon, and give green cheese for service...and get the money. They do not think you are worth their time service or consideration, to them, you do not buy the stuff directly anyway. Karen On Sat, 5 Jun 2010, Allison Manzino wrote: Hi, I'm sorry to hear about your troubles with Freedom. I had a similar problem with my BrailleLite. I sent it in for repair only to have Freedom tell me that the New York State Commission for the Blind had not paid them for the repair yet, so they would not release it to me. I gave them my credit card and $450 later, I had myself a BrailleLite. You might be wondering what the repair was, changing the battery. That's all they did, needless to say I thought it was a ripoff, and the Commission thought I had other repairs made to it since the price was so high. Allison On Jun 5, 2010, at 5:06 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote: I can tell you something, I request for resets of licence, no one ever gets back to me, I have to call the US and have said on one occasion that if they do not let me have the reset of my licence, I will not upgrade anymore. On Jun 5, 2010, at 7:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. Kawal Gucukoglu (E-mail/MSN): kawal_gucuko...@sent.com (Skype ID): kawalgucukoglu (Mobile/Text): +447905618396 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
Wish I hadn't paid $200 for versions 11, 12, 13. As a matter of fact, I'll be we hear something definitive soon, because version 12 should be, at least, being talked about within the next couple of months. I have a Vista machine I'd like to update to 7, but I've heard about so many people having issues with 7 and Jaws that I haven't even opened the update DVD yet. I've been trying to decide whether to install it on the mac via Fusion or Boot Camp, or upgrade my Vista machine. Guess I'll hang on to it a little longer. I don't even know if I can use an upgrade disk to install a fresh Windows 7 OS. On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
Re: OT--End of Freedom?
I have a computer class this semester, which involves MS Office 2007. No way around using windows for that. I am also very familiar with MS Word for writing papers. I have IWork, but really haven't gotten into it. I am so used to the keystroke combinations in MS Word for centering, hanging indents, etc. I am using the Mac almost exclusively this summer, however. I do all my downloading with it, my E-mail, web surfing, etc. I use Book Share quite often for research, and don't know how that is going to work on the Mac either. The only reason I would like to have windows on the Mac is that I would only need to carry one machine around in my backpack. Two laptops get rather heavy, even though they are a 13 inch Macbook Pro and a 14.1 windows computer. On Jun 5, 2010, at 8:36 PM, Olivia Norman wrote: I'd just leave it off your mac, if I were you. Do you really need to use windows at home? Olivia Innovation distinguishes between a leader and a follower Steve Jobs On Jun 5, 2010, at 3:20 PM, Kimberly thurman wrote: Wish I hadn't paid $200 for versions 11, 12, 13. As a matter of fact, I'll be we hear something definitive soon, because version 12 should be, at least, being talked about within the next couple of months. I have a Vista machine I'd like to update to 7, but I've heard about so many people having issues with 7 and Jaws that I haven't even opened the update DVD yet. I've been trying to decide whether to install it on the mac via Fusion or Boot Camp, or upgrade my Vista machine. Guess I'll hang on to it a little longer. I don't even know if I can use an upgrade disk to install a fresh Windows 7 OS. On Jun 5, 2010, at 2:26 PM, Ana G wrote: Jaws is a good product, but it's been overpriced for years, and Freedom Scientific hasn't been very responsive to its customer base. We all benefit from screen reader competition. Let's hope FS rethinks it's mission and approach rather than selling off its best product. Open Book, the latest version, is a real disappointment, not at all worth the thousand dollar price tag. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionar...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en.
