Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Ok, Il moderatore, i know this is off-topic somewhat but i as they say in online business promoting mails, have to get it out of my chest before i explode! I think it's a bit unfair to compare standard gps solutions with those made strictly for blind folks and if Navigon as a standard gps solution makes a very good job of helping us around the place, it's great! What really would've been great would be if someone could do a podcast of a navigon session so that one may here it in action, rather like people have done with Wayfinder access and Mobile geo. /Krister 11 aug 2009 kl. 14.10 skrev Chris G: Hi, FYI Humanware Trekker is not using the Sendero SDK. Chris On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:26 +0100 william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Hi, I respectively disagree. I think we blinks need to look at all solutions, mainstream and AT, to select the one that works best for us. Mainstream is nearly always less expensive (economies of scale and such) but, sometimes, At provides a more robust solution that will work, when compared to a off-the-shelf product, especially well in situations that a blind person may need that rarely apply to a customer who does not self identify as having a disability. Thus, one major factor in choosing a solution is (using the Navigon example) whether the $70 solution provides the consumer with the features and usability they need or want. I've been pounding on Navigon the last couple of days, putting it into situations that it may not have been designed to handle. These are situations that Mobile Geo performs well in. My goal is to find the boundary conditions and limitations of Navigon so I can write up results for a blog entry. One thing that Navigon gets a whole lot better than virtually all other solutions I've tried is its accuracy at slow (pedestrian) speeds. While this may be a function of the superior iPhone Location Services, Navigon does an awesome job of announcing with about 1 or 2 meters of the actual location and it does it with the built in GPS and not a specialized external one from a third party. My biggest complaint with Navigon is that it does a really poor job when one goes off road. There is a church in Harvard Square where I get together with some friends daily. To get there, I must use a pedestrian bridge lest I choose to commit vehicular suicide. While on this bridge yesterday, Navigon announced what seemed like random instructions including, take a sharp right and then a left, make a U-Turn and bear left and other instructions that were senseless in that situation. Once I got back onto a more traditional sidewalk that runs alongside a street, Navigon returned to its relatively good performance and excellent accuracy. If you go to the blog (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com) you can search on GPS for other articles I've written about it. I'm a fairly harsh critic of nearly all products that we blinks need or want to use as I always want to be on the side of raising the floor rather than feeling satisfied with the crumbs from the table. With Navigon, it is a whole lot better than most that I've tried but needs a lot more work to provide an excellent pedestrian solution like that in Mobile GEO and other blind guy ghetto products. Happy Hacking, cdh . On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, Il moderatore, i know this is off-topic somewhat but i as they say in online business promoting mails, have to get it out of my chest before i explode! I think it's a bit unfair to compare standard gps solutions with those made strictly for blind folks and if Navigon as a standard gps solution makes a very good job of helping us around the place, it's great! What really would've been great would be if someone could do a podcast of a navigon session so that one may here it in action, rather like people have done with Wayfinder access and Mobile geo. /Krister 11 aug 2009 kl. 14.10 skrev Chris G: Hi, FYI Humanware Trekker is not using the Sendero SDK. Chris On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:26 +0100 william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Hello Krister and all: I would have just written I agree in this message though that would chew up unnecessary bandwidth and not really explain anything and no I am not taking a shop at the moderators with that statement because I actually agree with the policy. I am not usually a get it off my chester though ... I do believe that when critiques are made against mainstream products and the evaluative measure for the critique is how it measures up to a community specific product, that is like comparing apples to oranges. What it also does is defeat the purpose of mainstream developers wanting to make things accessible. Why go out and make things accessible when what seems to be wanted is a blind specific product that already exists for $70. I personally am tired of the argument that navigon is good for the $70. Navigon is a good app that actually is accessible. Now, I and others might have to access the information in a manner which is new or initially uncomfortable though that does not make the product inaccessible or poorly designed. What it does make the product is open to individual evaluation.In short, it is perfectly acceptable for a product to fit one persons needs, not fit a second persons needs, and still be both a good product which can always be improved. Opened myself up for trouble (grin). On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, Il moderatore, i know this is off-topic somewhat but i as they say in online business promoting mails, have to get it out of my chest before i explode! I think it's a bit unfair to compare standard gps solutions with those made strictly for blind folks and if Navigon as a standard gps solution makes a very good job of helping us around the place, it's great! What really would've been great would be if someone could do a podcast of a navigon session so that one may here it in action, rather like people have done with Wayfinder access and Mobile geo. /Krister 11 aug 2009 kl. 14.10 skrev Chris G: Hi, FYI Humanware Trekker is not using the Sendero SDK. Chris On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:26 +0100 william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
No! If we expect mainstream companies, like Apple for instance, to follow the philosophy of universal design, then we need to make sure they know how they can improve for our segment of the universe. With Apple, we compared VO to JAWS; iPod to Zen Stone and Victor Stream and iPhone to Mobile Speak on the AT side and the LG with its built in accessibility. As there is a universe of products, we need to measure them against each other. Navigon, in my opinion, has a number of things it does much better than the AT solutions (will show up in a blog entry soon) but Mobile Speak does some other things better. For instance, if one wants to use an iPhone, Navigon is just about the only solution. It also costs a whole lot less and, in my opinion, is vastly more precise. All technology needs to be compared on a reasonably level set of criteria applied to all solutions, mainstream or blind guy ghetto. cdh On Aug 12, 2009, at 7:19 AM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello Krister and all: I would have just written I agree in this message though that would chew up unnecessary bandwidth and not really explain anything and no I am not taking a shop at the moderators with that statement because I actually agree with the policy. I am not usually a get it off my chester though ... I do believe that when critiques are made against mainstream products and the evaluative measure for the critique is how it measures up to a community specific product, that is like comparing apples to oranges. What it also does is defeat the purpose of mainstream developers wanting to make things accessible. Why go out and make things accessible when what seems to be wanted is a blind specific product that already exists for $70. I personally am tired of the argument that navigon is good for the $70. Navigon is a good app that actually is accessible. Now, I and others might have to access the information in a manner which is new or initially uncomfortable though that does not make the product inaccessible or poorly designed. What it does make the product is open to individual evaluation.In short, it is perfectly acceptable for a product to fit one persons needs, not fit a second persons needs, and still be both a good product which can always be improved. Opened myself up for trouble (grin). On Aug 12, 2009, at 5:12 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote: Ok, Il moderatore, i know this is off-topic somewhat but i as they say in online business promoting mails, have to get it out of my chest before i explode! I think it's a bit unfair to compare standard gps solutions with those made strictly for blind folks and if Navigon as a standard gps solution makes a very good job of helping us around the place, it's great! What really would've been great would be if someone could do a podcast of a navigon session so that one may here it in action, rather like people have done with Wayfinder access and Mobile geo. /Krister 11 aug 2009 kl. 14.10 skrev Chris G: Hi, FYI Humanware Trekker is not using the Sendero SDK. Chris On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:26 +0100 william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Hi, Once again, it was my own fault as I did another completely boneheaded thing. The iPhone documentation says that the Home key, shuts down the running application and returns to the Home screen. After hanging up from my call (two finger double tap), I hit the Home key so I could quickly check the weather. Then, I went to page two of my Home and started Navigon again. When I did this while not navigating, Navigon started from the beginning rather than returning me to the address edit page so, I assumed that, as the quote from the iPhone documentation cited above that the Home key in fact killed the Navigon process. When I repeated the process, calling myself from my old T-Mobile Dash with Mobile Speak Smartphone on it and Navigon in navigation mode, it continued to run after I went back to the home screen to turn it back on. I don't know if this is a flaw in Navigon or not. If I'm in the middle of editing an address and go to the home screen for some reason, I think I should be returned to the edit field or, at the very least, the program should ask me if I want to continue where I left off last time. Once again, while Navigon isn't up to Mobile Geo yet, it does enough really well to justify its price. I'd prefer something based upon the Sendero engine as it provides a whole lot of very pedestrian oriented information far beyond any other solution. At the same time, the Sendero royalty structure forces the AT vendors to keep their prices very high and, at $70, Navigon provides an acceptable alternative for use in places with which one is at least modestly familiar. Maybe I'll do a blog item on Navigon v. the AT solutions or just on Navigon as I'm trying to avoid promoting blind guy ghetto solutions as I think adaptations to mainstream software and devices is the ultimate solution for people with vision impairment. Happy Hacking, cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 2:34 PM, patrickneazer wrote: Hello there: Strange. I must be the local contrarian (smile). Attempted to duplicate the problem by having someone ... actually a few someones call while performing a route in Navigon. I could not reproduce it. At the end of the call I performed the 2 finger double tap and navigon was still there. Did you answer the call via the 2 finger double tap and end it that way or some other way. Really wanting to make this happen in order that I might understand. Sorry not to be of more assistance on this one. On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: I'm not very familiar with Navagon but in general there are no background tasks on the iPhone so when you receive a call whatever you were doing gets put on hold. The has been a complaint when folks use GPSes that show breadcrumb trails or calculate real time routes as they stop working while on the phone and can get in a weird state. Did you try just going home and then restarting navigon? iPhone apps are supposed to keep their state information so when you come back its as though you never left. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Hi, FYI Humanware Trekker is not using the Sendero SDK. Chris On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:26 +0100 william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
there has been no official announcement of what the December update of Navigon will contain. I know of a few people in close contact with the guys who make Navigon and have heard some rumours and insider information but I cannot comment publicly as, like all software development cycles, some items may or may not make the short list when the tough decisions are made. Based upon SereTalk podcast, though, I would assume we'll see some updates to the accessibility of the program so it works better with VO and provides more information to pedestrians. cdh On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:01 AM, william lomas wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
is there a serotalk podcast talking about the program that i can listen to? On 11 Aug 2009, at 13:13, Chris Hofstader wrote: there has been no official announcement of what the December update of Navigon will contain. I know of a few people in close contact with the guys who make Navigon and have heard some rumours and insider information but I cannot comment publicly as, like all software development cycles, some items may or may not make the short list when the tough decisions are made. Based upon SereTalk podcast, though, I would assume we'll see some updates to the accessibility of the program so it works better with VO and provides more information to pedestrians. cdh On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:01 AM, william lomas wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Doesn't Humanware have some new thing that does use Sendero? Also, I think their GPS solution for the BrailleNote family is Sendero based. I didn't know off hand what Trecker used as I find it to be a fairly peculiar hybrid solution that I could never quite understand. If, however, HW has made Trecker for all WM handsets, I'll have to take a second look. I do have friends who use and really enjoy Trecker and I must admit that I have nearly no hands on with it (maybe 8 hours or so) which makes my opinionvery dubious. cdh On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:10 AM, Chris G wrote: Hi, FYI Humanware Trekker is not using the Sendero SDK. Chris On Tue, 11 Aug 2009 10:01:26 +0100 william lomas lomaswill...@googlemail.com wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh -- Chris G cgrabowsk...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Yes, go to www.seretalk.com and select #20 which contains a Navigon discussion. One of the other podcasts from them contains some prelinimary talk about it but it is pretty superficial. cdh On Aug 11, 2009, at 8:35 AM, william lomas wrote: is there a serotalk podcast talking about the program that i can listen to? On 11 Aug 2009, at 13:13, Chris Hofstader wrote: there has been no official announcement of what the December update of Navigon will contain. I know of a few people in close contact with the guys who make Navigon and have heard some rumours and insider information but I cannot comment publicly as, like all software development cycles, some items may or may not make the short list when the tough decisions are made. Based upon SereTalk podcast, though, I would assume we'll see some updates to the accessibility of the program so it works better with VO and provides more information to pedestrians. cdh On Aug 11, 2009, at 5:01 AM, william lomas wrote: what will the update in december contain for navigon? On 10 Aug 2009, at 18:50, Chris Hofstader wrote: EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
I'm not very familiar with Navagon but in general there are no background tasks on the iPhone so when you receive a call whatever you were doing gets put on hold. The has been a complaint when folks use GPSes that show breadcrumb trails or calculate real time routes as they stop working while on the phone and can get in a weird state. Did you try just going home and then restarting navigon? iPhone apps are supposed to keep their state information so when you come back its as though you never left. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
EI don't do podcasts. I will write some blog entries on this stuff soon (www.blindconfidential.blogspot.com). Of those available to blinks, Wayfinder is the one I know the least about as I only used it for a month or so about a year ago. Almost all of the players in the AT biz are using the same Sendero engine. So, Humanware, Nuance, Freedom Scientific, Code Factory are all about the same underneath but have different UI that one can pick from. Just based on my minimal experience with Navigon, though, I would suggest you stick with Wayfinder/Access until they put out an update expected in December. Navigon is fine if you don't already have something but I wouldn't scrap your current solution quite yet. These opinions are mine and mine alone and are the result of messing around with Navigon for less than two days and I've been using Mobile Geo very frequently since it came out and it is my favorite but that is likely because it is the one with which I'm most familiar. cdh On Aug 10, 2009, at 9:40 AM, william lomas wrote: can you do a podcast on navigon so ican hear it? at present i am a wayfinder user and want to hear how it compares On 10 Aug 2009, at 14:09, Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
Re: iPhone - Task Switching?
Hello there: Strange. I must be the local contrarian (smile). Attempted to duplicate the problem by having someone ... actually a few someones call while performing a route in Navigon. I could not reproduce it. At the end of the call I performed the 2 finger double tap and navigon was still there. Did you answer the call via the 2 finger double tap and end it that way or some other way. Really wanting to make this happen in order that I might understand. Sorry not to be of more assistance on this one. On Aug 10, 2009, at 11:05 AM, Chris Blouch wrote: I'm not very familiar with Navagon but in general there are no background tasks on the iPhone so when you receive a call whatever you were doing gets put on hold. The has been a complaint when folks use GPSes that show breadcrumb trails or calculate real time routes as they stop working while on the phone and can get in a weird state. Did you try just going home and then restarting navigon? iPhone apps are supposed to keep their state information so when you come back its as though you never left. CB Chris Hofstader wrote: Hi, While I have had and enjoyed my iPhone for about a month and a half, I hadn't, before yesterday, needed to switch between running tasks. Specifically, I was following directions to our local YWCA using Navigon yesterday. I received a phone call and, after hanging up, I couldn't figure out how to get back to Navigon to look at some things. Navigon continued giving me directions but I could not get back to its interface where VoiceOver reads the street names and such. I looked in the iPhone manual and searched on task switching and background task using VO's search facility as well as the one in Preview and didn't find anything. I can't believe that this would be too difficult but I can't find it in the manual given the search criteria I can think up. Any help will be appreciated. I'm going back into the manual to see what I might be able to find. Happy Hacking, cdh Take good care and I wish you enough. Love Me --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups MacVisionaries group. To post to this group, send email to macvisionaries@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to macvisionaries+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/macvisionaries?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
