Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
On Jun 3, 2009, at 10:10, Niels Breet wrote: On Tue, June 2, 2009 16:08, gary liquid wrote: i have always thought the categories you install software from on the device should more accurately represent the breakdown specified in maemo.orgdownloads (or vice versa) I was planning to do this when the actual categories showed up in the application manager. (Which seems to be far away right now) Maybe the community should just say: From this date these are the categories to use. I second this idea. I'd be more than willing to sync the categories on the website part. Thanks Niels. Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Application manager categories for Fremantle
Hi, I think it's time to define the Application manager categories for Fremantle. This has been done for Diablo here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories and we should update that page to talk about Fremantle, too, or make a new one for Fremantle. [ Maybe this has been done already, and I just missed it... Apologies if that is the case. ] I feel that defining the list of categories is quite important and as long as I have something to say about this, I very much want to prevent Nokia and the Maemo community going into different directions with this. So, here is a concrete proposed addition to the categories for Fremantle that we would like to make: user/sharingSharing plugins Jussi, please elaborate if you think it is needed. My position is that unless this addition is approved by the Maemo community (via the Maemo council), I am not going to add it to the list of categories. Thanks everybody (and sorry again if I am too much out of date with what is actually happening in this area.) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote: I think it's time to define the Application manager categories for Fremantle. This has been done for Diablo here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories and we should update that page to talk about Fremantle, too, or make a new one for Fremantle. Unfortunately we never got a chance to test and tweak our list in Diablo, so a Fremantle list might as well just be the same thing. . . . :( So, here is a concrete proposed addition to the categories for Fremantle that we would like to make: user/sharing Sharing plugins This has been discussed before, and my stance on it is: absolutely not. Aside from the fact that a sharing plugins category reeks of silly Nokia Ovi nonsense, it's also entirely incongruous with the rest of the categories. I have to get to work, but hopeful Andrew can elaborate more about why it's a bad idea. ;) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
On Jun 2, 2009, at 12:13, Marius Vollmer wrote: Hi, I think it's time to define the Application manager categories for Fremantle. This has been done for Diablo here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Can we call this Application Categories? Since we are defining where applications go - not defining a category of package. and we should update that page to talk about Fremantle, too, or make a new one for Fremantle. http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:fremantle_application_categories I feel that defining the list of categories is quite important and as long as I have something to say about this, I very much want to prevent Nokia and the Maemo community going into different directions with this. I agree. So, here is a concrete proposed addition to the categories for Fremantle that we would like to make: user/sharingSharing plugins Jussi, please elaborate if you think it is needed. My position is that unless this addition is approved by the Maemo community (via the Maemo council), I am not going to add it to the list of categories. I too would like to get some feedback from the council on this since it will eventually go into Maemian and packages that do not follow the proposal will get a warning. Jeremiah ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
ext Jeremiah Foster jerem...@jeremiahfoster.com writes: I think it's time to define the Application manager categories for Fremantle. This has been done for Diablo here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Package_categories Can we call this Application Categories? Since we are defining where applications go - not defining a category of package. Hmm, yeah, terminology. The tool itself, Application manager, is strictly speaking misnamed: add-on software does not need to be an application, of course. We also have themes, codecs, plugins, translations, games, etc. I was using Application manager categories since they are the categories displayed by the Application manager. But, I guess this is not _that_ important, and Application categories is fine as well. and we should update that page to talk about Fremantle, too, or make a new one for Fremantle. http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:fremantle_application_categories Thanks, I have botstrapped it with the Diablo list. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
ext Ryan Abel rabe...@gmail.com writes: Unfortunately we never got a chance to test and tweak our list in Diablo, so a Fremantle list might as well just be the same thing. . . . :( Yes. Actually, does it make sense at all to have different lists for different major versions of the OS? So, here is a concrete proposed addition to the categories for Fremantle that we would like to make: user/sharing Sharing plugins This has been discussed before, [ Yes, I vaguely remember, but I couldn't find the links. ] and my stance on it is: absolutely not. [...] I'll make a new thread for this. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
Am Dienstag, den 02.06.2009, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Marius Vollmer: This has been discussed before, [ Yes, I vaguely remember, but I couldn't find the links. ] https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c8 and NB#64. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
i have always thought the categories you install software from on the device should more accurately represent the breakdown specified in maemo.orgdownloads (or vice versa) having 2 completely independent category lists seems fruitless and counter productive. (forgive me if they are already in sync, it never appeared so when i looked last time) gary On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.comwrote: Am Dienstag, den 02.06.2009, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Marius Vollmer: This has been discussed before, [ Yes, I vaguely remember, but I couldn't find the links. ] https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c8 and NB#64. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
i have always thought the categories you install software from on the device should more accurately represent the breakdown specified in maemo.orgdownloads (or vice versa) having 2 completely independent category lists seems fruitless and counter productive. (forgive me if they are already in sync, it never appeared so when i looked last time) gary On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:47 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.comwrote: Am Dienstag, den 02.06.2009, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Marius Vollmer: This has been discussed before, [ Yes, I vaguely remember, but I couldn't find the links. ] https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c8 and NB#64. andre -- Andre Klapper (maemo.org bugmaster) ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
ext Andre Klapper aklap...@openismus.com writes: Am Dienstag, den 02.06.2009, 16:40 +0300 schrieb Marius Vollmer: This has been discussed before, [ Yes, I vaguely remember, but I couldn't find the links. ] https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3844#c8 and NB#64. Thanks! My Bugzilla Fu is weak... ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
On Tue, 2009-06-02 at 08:46 -0400, Ryan Abel wrote: On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Marius Vollmer marius.voll...@nokia.com wrote: user/sharingSharing plugins This has been discussed before, and my stance on it is: absolutely not. Aside from the fact that a sharing plugins category reeks of silly Nokia Ovi nonsense, it's also entirely incongruous with the rest of the categories. I have to get to work, but hopeful Andrew can elaborate more about why it's a bad idea. ;) I also don't understand why sharing plugins is necessary. Simply plugins is a different matter. I'd estimate one third to one half of the entries in the AM are actually plugins of one sort or the other. Canola plugins, mediabox plugins, claws-mail plugins, pidgin plugins, Battle of Wesnoth plugins. Need I go on? On a related note, packagers are doing a good job of not putting libraries in user/whatever (so they do not appear in blue pill mode), but we still do have some libwhatever packages in the list. It would be good to make sure the same thing isn't happening in fremantle. Joseph Charpak jchar...@worldnet.att.net ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: Application manager categories for Fremantle
On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 2:42 PM, Joseph Charpak jchar...@worldnet.att.net wrote: On a related note, packagers are doing a good job of not putting libraries in user/whatever (so they do not appear in blue pill mode), but we still do have some libwhatever packages in the list. It would be good to make sure the same thing isn't happening in fremantle. My plan was to blitz the packagers once the new package categories were shipped with h-a-m, but since this never happened (and maybe never will) the plan is sort of sitting in limbo at the moment. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
