RE: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Announcing it "so late" (was it the same/next day after the product > launch?) should not be a problem. Active community members and > developers do not need to be "created" overnight, they existed before > the developer program was launched. If I understand the program schedule > correctly the lucky ones shall get notified rather soon. Why wait? It only creates fear, uncertainty, and doubt. Leave that to your competitors! Announce the list today, so that we can buy our N800's immediately, discount or not. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com | You can do any damn thing Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | you want, as long as you 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | don't expect somebody else Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | to pick up the pieces. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
On Fri Jan 12 08:37:08 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, You are right about this. One fact is, that release schedule has been a trade secret - hence no "end user roadmap with release dates". Yes, but I think you (or rather Nokia) is falling into the trap of closely coupling software and hardware. Some of the N800's, from what I'm reading via IRC, shipped with one version of software, others shipped with a later version. The 770 was the same over a longer period. I think if Nokia made more releases [and not all of them need be stable], the connection between software and hardware would be reduced, and the hardware releases would require less synchronization with software work. Competitors would be able to gain less information from the software changes, because they'd not be able to detirmine if they related to a new device or not. You'd also make the gadget folk and the developer community much happier. Of course there are exceptions - webcams, different CPUs, etc all have software impact - but fundamentally these are (or ought to be) low-level features and specific apps. And equally, there's the issue of your third party closed app licenses, such as Opera, but that's realtively simple to tie into hardware releases, and who knows, maybe the orphaning of 770's wrt new Opera might cause a surge of development on open source alternatives. Anyone could have made sure his application will work the day Bora/IT-2007 goes public. True, but for the most part Bora could have gone public completely independently of the N800 release. By tying the hardware and software together so closely, Nokia is forced to keep software details rather more secret. Another thing is the developer program. I'm not too happy with it myself and I agree we should have at least posted the deadline after which the notifications are sent. I still hope we will at least announce that the selection is over. One of the major problems is that details are slipping out unofficially, and the entire community seems to be carefully interpreting every word anyone connected with Nokia says, in the hope of gleaning some information from it. In this case, your last sentence does not use the subjunctive, and furthermore uses the word "that", which has been seen by some to imply that the selection is over. Dave. -- Dave Cridland - mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - xmpp:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - acap://acap.dave.cridland.net/byowner/user/dwd/bookmarks/ - http://dave.cridland.net/ Infotrope Polymer - ACAP, IMAP, ESMTP, and Lemonade ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another thing is the developer program. I'm not too happy with it myself and I agree we should have at least posted the deadline after which the notifications are sent. I still hope we will at least announce that the selection is over. With the way it is done it may be that it will take a while and there may be be more rounds. Some contacted people may already have the device, some may not be interested (this is one problem with the 'we call you' method). So it would be good to annouce both start and end. It would let people know when they should check their spam folders to fish the mail out from other, less interesting discounted offers :-) Also last time developers from countries where N770 was not sold at all got their devices month later and differently (I hope they won't be forgotten now too) so the whole process may indeed take a while. The best would be some page with counter like 'x devices still available' or occasional mail to mailing list telling us how it goes. Thanks. Frantisek ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
Hi, You are right about this. One fact is, that release schedule has been a trade secret - hence no "end user roadmap with release dates". What we could do with this limitation was e.g. Herring. Everyone in the open have had Herring available for month(s). It was (clearly?) communicated that this is the stabilization branch towards the next ITOS release. Anyone could have made sure his application will work the day Bora/IT-2007 goes public. Its true Herring did not have it all. Applications and multimedia were out of scope, user friendliness was not good, yet connectivity and desktop framework (Hildon, D-Bus, etc.) has been ready and available. I would hope we will do the same next time, just better ;) Another thing is the developer program. I'm not too happy with it myself and I agree we should have at least posted the deadline after which the notifications are sent. I still hope we will at least announce that the selection is over. Br, --jakub >From: ext Igor Tkach [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >I think it is kinda late not because of the need to create >community (great community already exists). By the time the >device becomes availble to all you probably want to have most >important existing apps ported and tested. My impression is >that this is not the case right now. Some work can be done >with scratchbox environment, but in my experience it is not >quite the same as running apps on the device itself. > >Program schedule you mention - is it published somewhere and I >just missed it or is it kept secret? (I apologize for being >annoying, I'm just eager to get my hands on n800, so I would >like to know if I should wait for the discount:) > >On 1/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >What's the point to announce such a program so late and with >> so little details? To irritate people? I would like to have my >> >discount right now, if I'm eligible, so that I could buy the device >> >right away, or to know that I'm not eligible so that I could plan >> >$399 into my budget for gadgets. At the very least it would be nice >> >to know the time frame for the program. >> > >> Hi, >> >> Announcing it "so late" (was it the same/next day after the product >> launch?) should not be a problem. Active community members and >> developers do not need to be "created" overnight, they >existed before >> the developer program was launched. If I understand the program >> schedule correctly the lucky ones shall get notified rather soon. >> >> Br, >> >> --jakub >> > ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
I think it is kinda late not because of the need to create community (great community already exists). By the time the device becomes availble to all you probably want to have most important existing apps ported and tested. My impression is that this is not the case right now. Some work can be done with scratchbox environment, but in my experience it is not quite the same as running apps on the device itself. Program schedule you mention - is it published somewhere and I just missed it or is it kept secret? (I apologize for being annoying, I'm just eager to get my hands on n800, so I would like to know if I should wait for the discount:) On 1/11/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >What's the point to announce such a program so late and with so little details? To irritate people? I would like to have my >discount right now, if I'm eligible, so that I could buy the >device right away, or to know that I'm not eligible so that I >could plan $399 into my budget for gadgets. At the very least >it would be nice to know the time frame for the program. > Hi, Announcing it "so late" (was it the same/next day after the product launch?) should not be a problem. Active community members and developers do not need to be "created" overnight, they existed before the developer program was launched. If I understand the program schedule correctly the lucky ones shall get notified rather soon. Br, --jakub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's the point to announce such a program so late and with so little details? To irritate people? I would like to have my discount right now, if I'm eligible, so that I could buy the device right away, or to know that I'm not eligible so that I could plan $399 into my budget for gadgets. At the very least it would be nice to know the time frame for the program. Announcing it "so late" (was it the same/next day after the product launch?) should not be a problem. Active community members and developers do not need to be "created" overnight, they existed before the developer program was launched. If I understand the program schedule correctly the lucky ones shall get notified rather soon. Many thanks for the clarification. Well, if I should be one of the lucky I would be happy indeed. The 770 is already great, and I would really like to get to know it's successor and work with it. At least the news managed to clearly rise the priorities for my 770 activities above the others - which will never hurt anyway. Regard, Kai ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
RE: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
>What's the point to announce such a program so late and with >so little details? To irritate people? I would like to have my >discount right now, if I'm eligible, so that I could buy the >device right away, or to know that I'm not eligible so that I >could plan $399 into my budget for gadgets. At the very least >it would be nice to know the time frame for the program. > Hi, Announcing it "so late" (was it the same/next day after the product launch?) should not be a problem. Active community members and developers do not need to be "created" overnight, they existed before the developer program was launched. If I understand the program schedule correctly the lucky ones shall get notified rather soon. Br, --jakub ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
What's the point to announce such a program so late and with so little details? To irritate people? I would like to have my discount right now, if I'm eligible, so that I could buy the device right away, or to know that I'm not eligible so that I could plan $399 into my budget for gadgets. At the very least it would be nice to know the time frame for the program. On 1/10/07, Kai Schindelka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Correct. But since the selection criteria are quite unclear it looks > like everybody fears that he might not be detected. Since I'm interested > in participating, too, I would be happy to at least have some private > Nokia email adress where I can write a short summery what I do and what > I plan to do on Nokia 770. I'm currently building up a repoitory of my > software but there are still some smaller problems to solve to make > everything smooth and with such unclear election criteria I now either > must publish unfinished or buggy software in hury at at leats have a > chance or have to fear to just stay "unseen". I second that. But if I understood Carlos Guerreiro on this list correctly, primarily developers that are already active in FOSS projects contributing to Maemo stand a chance. With only minor contribution possibilities (compared to being a member of a full-fledged project) and a focus on administrative tools and usability I'm hesitating to push things out the door now I for myself still consider unstable anyhow. Let alone talk about ideas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
Re: [maemo-developers] Re: N800 Developer Programme Application
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct. But since the selection criteria are quite unclear it looks like everybody fears that he might not be detected. Since I'm interested in participating, too, I would be happy to at least have some private Nokia email adress where I can write a short summery what I do and what I plan to do on Nokia 770. I'm currently building up a repoitory of my software but there are still some smaller problems to solve to make everything smooth and with such unclear election criteria I now either must publish unfinished or buggy software in hury at at leats have a chance or have to fear to just stay "unseen". I second that. But if I understood Carlos Guerreiro on this list correctly, primarily developers that are already active in FOSS projects contributing to Maemo stand a chance. With only minor contribution possibilities (compared to being a member of a full-fledged project) and a focus on administrative tools and usability I'm hesitating to push things out the door now I for myself still consider unstable anyhow. Let alone talk about ideas. ___ maemo-developers mailing list maemo-developers@maemo.org https://maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers
