Re: latest OS2008 and alarm
Levend Sayar wrote: Hi, everybody. I just joined this list. I have a N800. I recently upgraded its OS. I am using the latest release right now. But I have a problem. When I set a alarm with clock application, it does NOT work if the N800 is powered off. It only alarms when it is powered on. I was not like this before. I was using N800 to get up in the morning. I use my N800 to wake me up, but it's always on. I wouldn't expect it to work if it is really powered off. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: 3G dongle connected to N900?
Jan Knutar wrote: On Saturday 06 March 2010, Bernard Tyers wrote: Is it possible to connect a 3G dongle, via USB cable and running the USB host software on the N900, providing you with cellular data access? N900 does not have USB Host Mode, so no. You're kidding? Did they not learn from the N800 at all? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 Web browser quit working
I've had this a few times but a reboot always fixed it, so I assumed it was a memory leakage problem, possibly from some other app. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi usage issues.
James Knott wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: have the same issues with some wifi connections, but not all. I use IMAP/SSL and SMTP for my email on all devices, and a few locations appear to have those ports blocked (pubs, cafes, etc). When asked, they all claim not to, but I suspect either they don't know, or their provider is blocking them. It all works fine on my own network at home. It might be your own ISP blocking SMTP port 25 to prevent spamming. Some provide another port for those who wish to send email while off net. Mine uses 587. Not in this case, fortunately. Both port 25 and 587 work (with authentication) on my hired server, and I use them daily from those connections which let me. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: WiFi usage issues.
Bernard Tyers wrote: My issue has been that when using WiFi interface, some web services do not seem to work, namely SMTP/IMAP/app-manager. When I use 3G/2G all services work as expected. I have the same issues with some wifi connections, but not all. I use IMAP/SSL and SMTP for my email on all devices, and a few locations appear to have those ports blocked (pubs, cafes, etc). When asked, they all claim not to, but I suspect either they don't know, or their provider is blocking them. It all works fine on my own network at home. The problem holds regardless of device: it's the same for those affected locations with the identical setup on my laptop and my N800 as on my HTC Hero (no N900 for me). This is the same setup as my home WiFi connection, except I use WPA for encryption. The ISP (Eircom.ie) is the same, and the router version and firmware version is the same. Eircom as a provider has known issues with arbitrary blocking of ports, I was told by a colleague who ought to know. The fact that 993 (SMTP/SSL) is relatively rarely used may mean they just block it on principle. I have had this issue connecting to an Eircom wifi point somewhere recently (using my FON login). * I cannot however download IMAP mail, send SMTP mail, or use app-manager. I have had a related problem with some connections which allow the IMAP but block SMTP. I have put it down to a combination of excessive security zeal and ignorance. If you're in Ireland (as you appear to be if you're using Eircom), you might ask the ILUG. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Forced Upgrade to N900 from N810
Graham Cobb wrote: Peter Flynn peter.fl...@mars.ucc.ie wrote: Presumably as it's an SQLite file, there must be a GUI or CL interface to let me open the database and delete from table where date20081231 or something. Do you have pointers to something suitable? n900's come with the sqlite3 commandline program by default. it's an easy program :) Unfortunately GPE is still using sqlite0 (also known as sqlite or sqlite2). sqlite3 cannot read the database. [N800] I scp'd the calendar file to my Ubuntu desktop machine and installed sqlite. Now I can open the database and dump it out. Exporting the contacts was easy as gpe-contacts on the N800 provides for that with an Export function, so my contacts are now available in other systems. I need to get the calendar into iCal format so I can import them into other systems too. Unfortunately gpe-calendar appears only to be able to export one event at a time to a .ics file (or is there a way to select all and export them?). Does anyone know a good way to convert the calendar file (or an SQL dump of its contents) into a .ics file? Perhaps via some other app that reads the file and has an Export All function? Or am I going to have to write something? How have others migrated their calendar data to elsewhere? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Forced Upgrade to N900 from N810
Peter Flynn wrote: How have others migrated their calendar data to elsewhere? Sorry for the false alarm: a little more digging revealed: http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11459highlight=gpe+backup I hadn't realised the commandline option was available on the N800. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Firefox on n810
Gary wrote: yeah, just updated from RC1 with the app manager. it takes a moment to initialize but not much longer than microB. It must be huge, though. I'm installing Mer now, too. all the fuss about the iPad reminded me to dust off my Nokia tablet hug an open platform. ;) Is Mer really functional for an N800 yet? Given that there isn't an icicle's hope in hell of my ever affording an N900 or an iPad or even a Notion Ink, it might be nice to upgrade at least a little way from OS2008. And once I'm finished my thesis I might have time to contribute. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: iPad
Brad Midgley wrote: Mark The Apple iPad: Yawn... a huge iPod Touch/iPhone that can't possibly fit in anyone's pocket. Really? It should set a decent baseline for a good looking tablet with nice battery life. I'm just going to wait for the Notion Ink device which is supposed to be out in June. But that may of course turn out to be vapourware. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
[Fwd: Re: Forced Upgrade to N900 from N810]
Graham Cobb wrote: On Wednesday 20 January 2010 14:22:46 Dieter Plaetinck wrote: On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:18:28 + Peter Flynn peter.fl...@mars.ucc.ie wrote: Presumably as it's an SQLite file, there must be a GUI or CL interface to let me open the database and delete from table where date20081231 or something. Do you have pointers to something suitable? n900's come with the sqlite3 commandline program by default. it's an easy program :) Unfortunately GPE is still using sqlite0 (also known as sqlite or sqlite2). sqlite3 cannot read the database. There is an sqlite package for N900 in extras-devel. I'm using an N800. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Forced Upgrade to N900 from N810
Graham Cobb wrote: On Thursday 14 January 2010 16:01:47 Peter Bart wrote: Where might I find GPE? Peter, The GPE apps for Fremantle are in extras-testing, meaning that they are effectively in Beta status. I have found and fixed a number of problems and new versions will be created soon, I hope. Note that they have (mostly) not been ported to be finger-friendly (you will see what I mean when you try them). The N900 comes with contacts and calendar/todo apps so it is not clear the GPE apps are very useful on the N900. I wouldn't want to bet on it. I haven't seen the N900 PIMs but if they are as poor as the N800 ones were, GPE is going to be essential. BTW are you going to issue an update for the GPE apps for OS2008 at all, or are they now dead? I'll be using my N800 for a good while yet, and I rely on GPE. No showstoppers, but a way to export and then erase historical data up to the most recent 31st Dec would be nice :-) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Timo Pelkonen wrote: Is there a way to ignore people within maemo mailing lists? procmail is your friend... *plonk* ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: possible bug in N900 Maemo 5 desktop ??
Mark wrote: On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Aldon Hynes aldon.hy...@orient-lodge.com wrote: I'm with Timo on this. If you don't like the N900, there is a better site to be posting on. It is called eBay. When you post your N900 there, let us know, some of us might respond more favorably there. Aldon I wasn't stupid enough to buy an N900 after being ripped off with my N800. The N800 will get thrown in a drawer tomorrow when my Nexus One arrives. I'll probably tinker with it now and then, but since the only thing it does really well is browse the Web, I'm not going to put any more major effort into it. Curious. I like my N800 since I finally got everything I wanted running. However, the N900 clearly has some way to go before it would interest me. I'm unclear why it was necessary to break so much that was working in OS2008 in order to make Maemo5, although I'm sure the developers had their reasons. Maemo5 is clearly an experimental platform, whereas OS2008 is (now) a usable tool -- in its turn the N800 platform was to some extent an experiment when it came out. Maemo5 does not seem to have learned as much from the N800 experience, though, which is a pity. Maybe in a few years I'll be able to afford an N900... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: NOKIA N900 to cable ethernet
Alessio Stella wrote: Dear all, how can I connect a NOKIA N900 to ethernet cables LANs, for instance when I am in a hotel that provides ethernet cables connection but not wireless?? Is there an adaptor? Or some sort of small router to use in the middle? I use my WiFlyer (http://www.mobiletechreview.com/tips/WiFlyer.htm) but they seem to have disappeared from sight. There must be something equivalent. This device is a real ass-saver. I don't have an N900: does it have a micro-USB socket like the N800, or no sockets at all.? If there is a socket, you can get a USB-to-Ethernet adapter (I saw one in Oxford, UK, for £25 in the summer) and connect it with a full-size-USB-to-micro-USB adapter cable. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: NOKIA N900 to cable ethernetþ
Alessio Stella wrote: Dear all, thank you for the very useful replies. I don't know how to post indented as an answer to your messages.. Change your webmail settings for Reply to Indent with or (better) use a real email client. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: cannot download LCARS themes
Mark wrote: [...] Actually, it wasn't LCARS that was broken, it was GPE that disregarded some of the system colors. Thank you for the correction. I tried for nearly a year to get any kind of response from either author, but got nothing, so I assumed neither of them was interested in making it all work. (Sometimes it's better just to lash out with an accusation, and hope that someone in the know will come back with a correction :-) Have the GPE people fixed this? Or do they still regard themselves as right and everyone else as wrong? If you tried any of the other dark themes, they all had the same issue. The problem comes from apps observing the system font colors but disregarding all the other system colors, specifically backgrounds. If those apps would at least let you pick your own colors, it would help. It sounds as if they need this explaining to them. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: cannot download LCARS themes
Mark wrote: [...] That particular issue probably just wasn't on their radar. I don't think the dark themes were even available when they were working on their apps. Plus, they had bigger fish to fry - GPE are supposedly working on better import/export, which is a much more important issue Definitely. IMO. While colors ought to be easy to fix, major functionality issues outweigh minor cosmetic issues. Perhaps their triage isn't as effective as it might be. Requirement-importance vs Difficulty-of-completion is a hard act to balance. Developers really ought to consider that many people's portable device use cases include situations where dark themes are very useful and appropriate and all apps should support _all_ the system colors _all the time_. But if they're not going to do that then they should ignore _all_ the system colors so readability doesn't suffer from themes other than the default. That's far from ideal, but far better than partial support. Either that, or use a config file. Hard-wiring this kind of thing is so unnecessary. It used to be arguable that on a hand-held device, there wasn't space for configurability, but that is increasingly less so now. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: cannot download LCARS themes
Timo Pelkonen wrote: 2009/12/24 Kevin Kempter ke...@kevinkempterllc.com mailto:ke...@kevinkempterllc.com Hi All; I just got a new N900 - it rocks. However I cannot download any of the lcars theme's. On my N900, I browse to maemo.org http://maemo.org then select Downloads and I select OS2008. In the Desktop Environment category I find the lcars-complete and click on it's download link. my device then automatically takes me to the app manager, then I see a 'preparing for installation message', then after that's done I see this message: Unable to download 'lcars-complete' Application package not found. I've tried downloading the file and browsing to it via the file manager and I get the same results. Same thing happens for all the start trek themes Anyone know how to fix this? Thanks in advance Well, first thing could be that you don't try to install packages that belong to older OS to your device? OS2008 is an os that can be found in n8xx models, n900 has maemo5. And secondly, the LCARS themes were broken and never fixed, in respect of colour compatibility with other apps for OS2008 such as the GPE desktop stuff. Which is a great pity, as otherwise they were quite good. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 features
Mark Haury wrote: [...] Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux version and the Windows version, all with the same results. You mean on the N900? Or anywhere at all? I've been using it under Ubuntu, Windows, Red Hat, and Maemo OS-2008 without any problems. I wouldn't expect any version of any software to run unmodified on the N900 (or N800/880/770 for that matter). It would need to be compiled with the relevant toolchain. Or did you mean you compiled it yourself? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 features
Mark Haury wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: Mark Haury wrote: [...] Abiword doesn't work for me. I can't get it to open anything other than its native proprietary format. I've tried the maemo version, the linux version and the Windows version, all with the same results. You mean on the N900? Or anywhere at all? I've been using it under Ubuntu, Windows, Red Hat, and Maemo OS-2008 without any problems. I wouldn't expect any version of any software to run unmodified on the N900 (or N800/880/770 for that matter). It would need to be compiled with the relevant toolchain. Or did you mean you compiled it yourself? ///Peter Anywhere at all. It doesn't work on my desktops (any of them), laptop or desktop. That's interesting, and rather weird. Maybe if your documents have little to no formatting it works, but the documents I need to open invariably have lots of formatting: fonts, indents, tables, columns, graphics, etc. IMO if the only thing that matters in a given document is the text, then a plaintext file is adequate and much more portable to _any_ device. Otherwise, complete feature support is mandatory. Regardless, the fact that Abiword defaults to its own proprietary format (or the fact that it even _has_ its own unique format) makes it problematic. The last thing the world needs is yet another noncompatible document format, and being forced to go through a conversion process every time you want to create or edit a document is a PITA. All of which is true, except that all wordprocessors have their own unique default format, and always have...a relic of the days when Marketing people though it was terribly, terribly clever to trap the user with an impenetrable and incompatible file format (sadly, some of them still think like this). But the documents I use are also heavily formatted; although none of them are authored in AbiWord, which I only use (on an Ubuntu 9.10 desktop) for its ability to convert (clumsily, but fairly accurately) to LaTeX and a few other formats. For anything requiring Word compatibility, I use OpenOffice, which is why I was interested to see someone got it working on the N800. I do use AbiWord on the N800 for the occasional (but rare) document I need to write while I'm travelling and save as .doc or .odt for someone else; and (again rarely, and usually only when away) to open a downloaded .doc or .docx email attachment. In essence, it's a slightly cronky but functional tool. For anything requiring serious work I use Emacs and LaTeX: I can't imagine the nightmare of trying to do typesetting in a wordprocessor. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Ralph Angenendt wrote: Am 09.12.09 23:19, schrieb Mark: You can complain about reality all you want, but that's not going to change it. The reality is that NO ONE is paying $900 for an unlocked iPhone, and the unlocked price for an iPhone is far, far below what it will be for an N900 if when they make a deal with a carrier. Erm. Everybody is paying that price for an *UNLOCKED* iPhone. Subsidized ones seem cheaper, but probably aren't (depending on contract). So the iPhone *is* more expensive than the N900 *when* you buy an *UNLOCKED* one and don't want to be bound to a carrier. Cheapest I've seen an unlocked iPhone 3GS is €399. But here (Ireland) no-one who knows jack buys a locked phone when you can get them unlocked for a fiver at any independent phone store. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900 $510
Mark wrote: N900 $510 http://www.buy.com/prod/nokia-n900-unlocked-maemo-internet-tablet-3g-phone-panoramic-desktop/q/loc/12435/212003401.html?adid=17582 If that's true then it might put me back in the market. But it would have to do *everything* my N800 does, without error. The fact that it's a phone as well is merely slightly interesting. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Survey: what characters matter in a mobile keyboard?
dne...@maemo.org wrote: The question is about keyboards in mobile devices. What characters to put, what characters to sacrifice? You know it's a hot topic and maybe yourself have thought sometimes: why do they put X which I don't used, while Y is missing? In effect, this is also equivalent to for what tasks would I need to dig out the BT keyboard? I am assuming that by POUND sign you mean the hash key (#) or octothorpe, not the pound-sterling sign (£), which I imagine is largely unused outside the UK, its former dependencies, a few countries using it for a libra-descendent, and a historical context nowadays. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: OS Stability
Mark Haury wrote: [...] Every Linux handheld device that I've been interested in and followed has *required* periodic re-flashes of the OS, either to fix growing instability or to flash a new image that increases stability and/or hardware or software functionality. This was true for my old Zaurus, but that was because Sharp basically didn't have a clue about operating systems and particularly not about FOSS. I've been very happy with the stability of my N800, and never had to reflash it. But I haven't been using it for experimental purposes. As for desktop OSs, I would say Linux is on par with Windows: Windows may be slightly (but only slightly) less stable, but has much better hardware support. I haven't had to reinstall Windows (any version) any more than I've had to reinstall Linux. I've only had to reinstall Linux once, and that was because of flaky hardware. Windows, on the other hand (in the days when I used it) needed reinstallation 2-3 times a year, and never worked properly even then. ...And nobody has answered my question: is it even possible to flash updated Windows Mobile images to those devices? Is it done routinely as with Maemo/OpenMoko/etc.? My Windows-toting colleagues say it is theoretically possible but they've never done it. But then they don't put their devices through a hundredth of the workload my N800 handles, simply because the apps aren't there. When I had to edit and reprocess a 200pp XML document into PDF via LaTeX during the summer one of them watched in awe :-) The most he can do is open Notepad... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: bluetooth keyboards and N900
Timo Pelkonen wrote: Then let the markets decide it instead of your speculation, markets are always right unlike persons. And the Tooth Fairy will still visit you. Markets are easily swayed and perverted. People -- especially experts with good judgment -- are right much more often than markets. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Decision-making processes (was: Re: bluetooth keyboards and N900
igor.sto...@nokia.com wrote: Yeah, I guess you don't consider market statistics that Nokia is continually losing share to be facts, because they don't fit with your fanboy views. In case you had not realized it yet (hint: read my email address) i'm not a fanboy, i'm just an employee. And market statistics are irrelevant here. You don't have a clue when you attribute decisions to developers and _this_ is a fact, because you are not part with our internal processes. I think that was part of the OP's problem. Nokia is a commercial enterprise. It doesn't have to share its decisions or their process with anyone outside. That's their right to decide. The problem seems to be that while some decisions are self-evident, obvious, and uncontentious (eg let's give the N7*/8*/9* series wireless capability), a few of them are so spectacularly wrong that the user community is amazed, and because no information is available about the reasoning process, they can only conclude that someone in Nokia was missing a vital piece of information. Because the decision process is internal, there is no information about *why* decision X was made one way or another. This can be solved by a simple explanation where possible (eg we no longer support PC-105 because the future lies with Dvorak). This would avoid us wasting time with these complaints about the decisions and allow us to correct the misconceptions for the future. If Nokia wishes to create a product that is only suitable for a very small number of people, that is their absolute right. Microsoft has been doing it for years :-) but their marketing has persuaded people that it is suitable for everyone... Just to make it clear that when I said developers I was referring to those paid by Nokia, not the volunteers. Again, where did you get that Nokia developers decide about product features? The OP lacks information about Nokia's development process. Some companies *do* entrust product features to the developers, who fight to keep them over the ones requested by marketing. In other companies it is the other way round: developers are compelled to include features requested by marketing, who fight to keep them over the ones suggested by the developers. In more enlightened companies, it is a mix. I have no idea where Nokia fits in the spectrum, but this could be answered simply by an explanation from Nokia of how their development process works, if they feel that sharing this information with the user community would be beneficial. Nokia is the one who is taking advantage of people who desperately want the open source community to grow and repeatedly ripping them off, both volunteer developers and consumers. This is your opinion, which is, as usual, totally irrelevant to previous my comment: you don't have a clue about Nokia internal processes Nokia -- I hope -- is trying to make money from selling the N7*/8*/9* products in which the bulk of the OS and app development comes from the FOSS community. I want to see Nokia sell lots of these, successfully, and make a big profit that they can put back into RD. (Unfortunately, I also believe that their marketing people have misunderstood the market very seriously indeed, and that the retail cost of the devices is therefore incorrectly pitched approximately 2-3 times what it need be, if they had targeted the devices more accurately; but that's just a personal belief, based only on 30 years of using handheld computers :-) Thank you, Igor, for bringing some sanity to the argument. If you can persuade someone from Nokia marketing to listen to the user community, it would place the company several years ahead of the competition. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: nice N900 cases from Piel Frama
Jose Manrique Lopez de la Fuente wrote: I've used several cases from them in the past, and they are really really good ;) 2009/12/1 Eric Cooper e...@cmu.edu: I've been a very satisfied customer of theirs, so I asked about N900 cases and just received a message back that they have now introduced them: http://www.pielframa.com/nokia-n900-universal-treo-cases.htm I have one for my N800, and I had one for my Zaurus before that. They are very good indeed. But the one you illustrate for the N900 appears to require that you take the device out of the case to operate it? Is this true? I am surprised, given that the case for the N700/800 series didn't require this. It looks from the URI (nokia-n900-universal-treo-cases.htm) that this isn't for the N900, but just happens to fit it as well as the Treo. This would be a *very* bad idea, because you would lose the protection of the stitched rim during operation, as well as the inconvenience of not being able to operate it inside the case. Unfortunately the page for the N800 case is no longer on the Piel Frama web site. ///Peter -- CC'd to Piel Frama for info :-) and followups set to my address ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: bluetooth keyboards and N900
Valerio Valerio wrote: The problem is that the generic pc-105 layout was removed from Maemo5, I would have thought the solution is for it to be put back again. Removing pc-105 is a bit like saying we don't support ASCII any more. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Printing (N800)
Peter Flynn wrote: I did some more tests, both with plaintext files and PDFs, and all of them print in microscopically small type Duh. For some unfathomable reason, the config on the desktop (the print host) was set to Print 9 pages per sheet. I've never in my life used that configuration. I can only imagine my mouse brushed over some control at some stage. Grrr. OK, printing from the N800 is fine, but it's commandline only. PDFs print perfectly, so I can live with that, unless some kind soul writes a little plugin for the File Manager to add Print to the menu. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Emacs iconless
Kimmo Hämäläinen wrote: On Sat, 2009-09-26 at 18:25 +0200, ext Peter Flynn wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: I successfully installed Emacs-x and it's been running well. But when it loads, no icon appears in the sidebar of the screen, so if I run another application while Emacs is running, I can never get back to Emacs afterwards. Is there something needs adding to the menu entry to specify an icon? I added an Icon=emacs to the emacs.desktop and put a 26x26 PNG into the hicolor directory alongside what seem to be all the other app icons, but it doesn't seem to have done anything. What am I missing here? Try gtk-update-icon-cache No change. or using some existing icon. I tried that but it has no effect. Nothing is displayed. a. Is Icon=name the only change needed to the .desktop file or is there some other setting needed as well? b. Where does the system look for the icons of running apps that are displayed down the LH side? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: best way to get a n900 in Belgium?
Dieter Plaetinck wrote: On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 09:54:58 +0200 Xavier Bestel xavier.bes...@free.fr wrote: Anyway, I'm pretty interested in buying one sooner than later too (if possible avoiding the ridiculous +50€ we have to pay in France compared to the rest of Europe). Anyone knows about the availability of the beast, when and how to get it ? Thanks, Xav France, Netherlands etc (but not Belgium) have the preorder possibility See http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/ Aah. Light dawns. Good grief, I am being slow tonight. It's a *phone*. Like the iPhone, it's only available in the countries where they have done a deal with the telcos. Smaller states like Ireland or Belgium will have to wait. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: best way to get a n900 in Belgium?
Laurent Léonard wrote: I'm also interested in that piece of information. I contacted the 2 official Nokia resellers in Brussels, but I got an answer only from one and he has no information at all about the N900, its price or availability in Belgium. I asked three Nokia stores in Ireland (and two in the UK on a recent visit) and none of them had ever heard of the N900. I showed them my N800 and they'd never seen or heard of one before. One guy asked if it was an iPhone...he was impressed; he'd never seen a pocket computer before... Someone in Nokia Marketing needs to send out some info to someone... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Emacs iconless
Peter Flynn wrote: I successfully installed Emacs-x and it's been running well. But when it loads, no icon appears in the sidebar of the screen, so if I run another application while Emacs is running, I can never get back to Emacs afterwards. Is there something needs adding to the menu entry to specify an icon? I added an Icon=emacs to the emacs.desktop and put a 26x26 PNG into the hicolor directory alongside what seem to be all the other app icons, but it doesn't seem to have done anything. What am I missing here? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: USB ethernet
What I have done is used an ASUS WL-330GE Wireless Access Point. I have a WiFlier AP which I forgot to bring, duuh; but it wouldn't be any use, as connecting such devices to the campus network is prohibited and would result in disconnection. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Emacs iconless
I successfully installed Emacs-x and it's been running well. But when it loads, no icon appears in the sidebar of the screen, so if I run another application while Emacs is running, I can never get back to Emacs afterwards. Is there something needs adding to the menu entry to specify an icon? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
USB ethernet
I am away at a conference and the dorm room only has a wired connection. Is there such a thing as a mini-USB-to-RJ45 box or cable, and will the N800/OS2008 recognize/support such a connection? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
I've been using Mauku for a while and it works well, but it has no Follow or Follower controls, and Search function, so you can't follow a #topic. Does anyone know a Twitter app for N800/OS800 that has these features? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Proxies
In the network applet for N800/OS800, in Connections, you can specify in the Advanced section what your proxies are. This is fine for the protocols provided for (HTTP, HTTPS, FTP, and RTSP) but I can't see how to tell it to use the same IP address for *all* protocols. In particular, it would be nice to be able to use SSH, SFTP, Skype, Pidgin, Gizmo, Mauku, and a whole bunch of others on my campus network, which nominally provides HTTP and HTTPS only, but which in fact has a proxy that will pass most things so long as you are configured to talk directly to it. Most apps don't seem to have any way to specify this, and anyway it's something which ought to go in the config for that network, not the app. Even Skype, which is notoriously good (bad?) at finding a way through corporate firewalls, won't penetrate this particular piece of ice. Is it possible to manually edit whatever config file the networking app writes when it saves a network setup, without the changes causing the app to gag when it reloads them, and without having to re-enter them manually every time, or lose them if you do modify the setup via the applet's own interface? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Some buttons not working properly on N800
sean wrote: I do not recall ever having any problems unlocking my N800. As long as I press the correct button. I have an N800 running the same, and it seems to lock and unlock OK (first time I'd tried it...I have the CarryMobile case, so I've never needed to lock and unlock, I just close the case and it goes to sleep). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Asking for developers and user support for a N900 application
Mark wrote: I think the codes you are referring to are only available from a phone. Even if the N900 has full phone features, there are still likely to be different formats for each carrier as well as the codes and the information would have to be parsed from text messages, so it probably wouldn't be any simpler. In a way, using the Web pages might be better. It would probably allow for more features and more information than you could get from the codes. I'm guessing here, but I would be surprised if the carriers didn't all have XML web services which provided this information. The problem is that you probably have to pay to get them, and they are probably all in different formats. It might be worth asking, if you can actually find someone in the companies who actually *knows* something technical (difficult), because screen-scraping this data from web sites is unstable...they can change the page layout and markup at any time. [Andrea, OP] I currently am able to support just two carrier: Italian 3HG and Spanish Simyo, since I only have those two SIM/account to test. I'm not here to ask you to give me your user/password of your carrier, but I would need at least each webpage used in the login process (the login page, the webpage after login, the page displaying credit remaining ecc). I'll give more details on how to get these information to people who will be interested to help me. I can certainly do that for the two I use in Ireland, O2 and Meteor. Mail me off-list. SIMs for pre-pay (pay-as-you-go) services here cost about €5 (similar in the UK), so if you have that level of funding you can probably get them to test. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: GPE-Contacts and .vcf
- Original message - On Monday 31 August 2009 20:38:23 sean wrote: Would an updated version of Calendar be in the works that supports an alarm powering on the N800 and perhaps flashing the led? (...) This is one of the most often requested enhancements to GPE Calendar but there is no one working on it at the moment. Is anyone working on adding timezone capability? So that I can enter (say) a flight that leaves London at 11am GMT and arrives JFK at 2pm Eastern? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Re:Java
- Original message - Am Sonntag, den 30.08.2009, 17:20 -0600 schrieb Mark: On 8/30/09, Fernando Cassia fcas...@gmail.com wrote: No, you´re wrong. It´s a platform AND a language. Actually the truth is somewhere in between. Sigh, obviously you know better than Sun. They made it clear that is a language AND a plattform. You don't want to believe all you read. Microsoft claim that Windows is an operating system :-) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
[Sebastian] for me the big question is... Will I be able to install an XTERM application?... Will I be able to install a GNU shell, like BASH?... and even more important than that... Will I be able to login as ROOT? These too are deal-breakers. No shell means no go, period. No Emacs, no TeX... If not, then for me it's just another powerful PDA... It wouldn't even be that; it would simply be a useless box of junk. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N800 etc.
[Java not only a language but a platform] Thats part of Suns stupid marketing strategy. Its a language and a platform. C++ is a language. QT is a platform. Oh hell, according to the marketing Java is an OS as well. It's a language. There are platforms and OS-like applications built with it, but it's a language. Both GTK and QT are plattforms which are just as powerfull as Java. The need for Java on Maemo is pretty limited. Possibly, but essential in my case. It's a deal-breaker: no Java means I can't do my work, which requires several applications currently requiring Java. If Java isn't available for the N900, I won't buy it, and nor will any of my colleagues in the same business, several of whom bought N8*0s after seeing mine do what it does. But yes, for the average user, probably limited. By the same token I could say that the need for games on Maemo is limited...I'm not interested in them and couldn't give a tinker's cuss if they are available or not, but I'm sure there are lots of people for whom games are the deal-breaker; hence an N9** has to play games. Ultimately, the message has to be, don't cripple the platform by restricting it. I believe that Nokia may finally have understood this, although we'll have to wait and see if the default apps are as poor as the N800's were. I sure hope not. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N900/Maemo 5 review
[David] Maybe holding the unjustified vitriol until you read the reply that came *3 minutes* after the post? (and well over an hour before you posted). My apologies for the crossed wires: I'm away from base so my access is sporadic, and messages don't always arrive as promptly as one might wish. And if it came over as vitriol my apologies for that also; frustration sometimes leads to this when things which seem obvious and apparent to the dumb user (me) look radically different to the developers. Especially since one of the best bits of community marketing from Quim was: $ jailbreak jailbreak: not found $ sudo gainroot # That message doesn't appear to have made my mailbox, but it's excellent news, thanks very much. Which incidentally means you can build and install your own java interpreter. I look forward to seeing your java4maemo package; since Nokia gave you exactly what you asked for. You *do* intend to do that for the community don't you? I think this is more crossed wires, I'm afraid. I'm a user of Java applications, not a Java developer. I develop stuff that uses Java applications, among others, but I don't write Java (it's on the list to learn next year). All I was looking for was to know whether there would be an implementation of Java available that would let me run a commandline Java application like Saxon. I'm not looking for graphics, embeddability, APIs, or libraries, so I'm in a specialist minority, and it's sometimes frustratingly difficult to explain to developers the apparent simplicity of my needs, when they are justifiably much more concerned with more complex demands. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Claws-mail problems deleting messages
Does anyone use Claws-mail on an N800/OS2008? I have been using it to get mail from several accounts with IMAP4 while travelling, and it has been excellent until the last update some months ago. Since then, I can't find out how to delete a message: the behaviour has changed completely. If I tap on a message line in the folder view, and click the trashcan icon, the message line turns blue, and it gets marked. But picking the menu item Message|Move to Wastebasket doesn't do anything, and certainly doesn't delete it, and Delete isn't in the menu! Worse, trying to delete (or mark) additional messages in the same folder brings up a pop-up saying that there are some messages already marked, and do I want to process them (whatever that means). Regardless of whether you tap Yes or NO, nothing happens, and the messages stay there. How do you actually get rid of a message? Permanently. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Claws-mail problems deleting messages
Peter Flynn wrote: Does anyone use Claws-mail on an N800/OS2008? [...] How do you actually get rid of a message? Permanently. The documentation says: When the 'Execute immediately when moving or deleting messages' option is used, operations performed on messages, (like deletions or movements), are performed immediately. If the option is turned off, all operations performed on messages by the user are only carried out when the 'Execute' button is pressed. Unfortunately I can't locate this option anywhere in the config or preferences screens; and although it says that the 'Execute' button is the X key, pressing this when some messages are marked for deletion has no effect. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Emacs and libxaw7
The next Emacs stage is to get the X version running on my N800 under OS2008. From other posts (eg in Full screen non-Hildon X applications possible?), some people have obviously managed this, but there is an apparently undocumented dependency, libxaw7, which I cannot find in any repository. Does anyone know where this is hidden? There are several references in the discussions to it, but no-one seems to have posted where they found it. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Emacs and libxaw7
David Greaves wrote: Peter Flynn wrote: The next Emacs stage is to get the X version running on my N800 under OS2008. From other posts (eg in Full screen non-Hildon X applications possible?), some people have obviously managed this, but there is an apparently undocumented dependency, libxaw7, which I cannot find in any repository. Does anyone know where this is hidden? There are several references in the discussions to it, but no-one seems to have posted where they found it. Try: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/libxaw/2:1.0.5-1 (For Diablo you should go to Debian... I tend to use Ubuntu as that's our Mer base) That's for building it from source: I avoid that like the plague for the N800 because I don't have the space or facilities to install the toolchain from cross-compilation. But I take back what I said, there *is* a pointer at the end of this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16189page=7 to a chinook version of all three libx libraries which appear to work for emacs. However, the emacs package is still broken as shipped: when you execute the binary emacs, you get Warning: arch-dependent data dir (/usr/libexec/emacs/22.1/arm-linux-gnueabi/) does not exist. Warning: arch-independent data dir (/usr/share/emacs/22.1/etc/) does not exist. Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/share/emacs/22.1/site-lisp' does not exist. Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp' does not exist. Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/share/emacs/22.1/lisp' does not exist. Warning: Lisp directory `/usr/share/emacs/22.1/leim' does not exist. All exist in my install target on /media/mmc1/emacs so they're easily fudged by linking them back to the absolute path, but this ought to have been done by the install script. Cannot open load file: term/x-win Dunno where this is or where it's supposed to be, but emacs now executes :-) Getting it full-screen is more difficult: the thread I referred to tails off with the post from Eric saying Excellent. Thanks. I'll pursue this avenue. Eric: did you manage to get this to work? The suggestion you refer to (Googling wmctrl maemo xbindkeys, made by Damien) turns up this thread, a bunch of listing, some Python, and some posts in Japanese, but no actual hint of what packages are needed or what command/configs will make Emacs run full-screen. Incidentally, now it's installed and executing, how do I add it to the system menu so that I don't need to invoke it from a command in the xterm window? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Full screen non-Hildon X applications possible?
Tim Teulings wrote: Hello! Did you find out how to do this? Googling returns nothing except this thread, a lot of repo listings, and some pages in japanese... Hildon/the window manager follows the freedesktop WM spec. See: http://standards.freedesktop.org/wm-spec/1.4/ar01s05.html#id2569140 You have to set the _NET_WM_STATE property to _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN to get the window resized to full screen. You can either do this from within the application (like hildon does when pressing the full screen button), or try to write a tool for it. This implies that you have to modify the source for the application and recompile, right? I'm not trying that with Emacs :-) Although one of the Japanese pages does have some eLisp code (defun toggle-full-screen () (shell-command ~/bin/wmctrl -r :ACTIVE: -b toggle,fullscreen)) (global-set-key (quote [f6])(quote toggle-full-screen)) I stuck that in my .emacs but Emacs doesn't like the syntax of the last line for some reason; claiming an error commandp, toggle-full-screen. But that's not a problem for this list...time to ask Usenet... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather failure
Alejandro López wrote: Peter Flynn escribió: Has weather.com changed their format again? omweather is not updating since Saturday. No problem here. Using version 0.22.6. Same here. But it started working again this morning. Very weird. First this, then one of my private mail hosters vanished off the DNS, then I get reports of some of my web sites going AWOL. Is there some DNS attack going on somewhere? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather failure
Has weather.com changed their format again? omweather is not updating since Saturday. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: ncurses
Eero Tamminen wrote: Hi, ext Peter Flynn wrote: I've been rearranging my SD cards and I wanted to install Emacs_22.1-1 (this is for OS-2008) to replace the older version. It's looking for ncurses-base and libxaw7 but I can't find any that install. The package has or hasn't a dependency for ncurses-base? emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb has a dependency on ncurses-base, or so the Package Manager says. (If you take build Emacs package sources directly from Debian (or Ubuntu), it won't have ncurses-base dependency because in Debian that's an Essential unlike on Maemo.) I don't have the resources to build Emacs from source (my desktop machine is old and slow, and it would undoubtedly involve installing a large toolchain and lots of additional packages for which I have no space). Alas...I wish :-) I have the maemo-Extras repo installed, and I can see ncurses-base in there, but it doesn't appear in the App Manager. If I download ncurses-base-5.4-3.osso1.deb and try to install it manually, I get the error Incompatible application package. Is there a working .deb for OS2008 for these packages? I think only thing needed is the Emacs package having an explicit dependency to the ncurses-base package, you shouldn't need to install it manually. Ncurses-base dependency works at least for the SDK tools (which are in a repository of their own). I managed to find a working copy, and it all installed nicely. I used apt-get install ncurses and it found a copy in Lithuania. Next task: try to install the x-ified version emacs_22.1-1_armel-x.deb and see if I can get it to run in fullscreen... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather failure
Kevin T. Neely wrote: Guess it just wasn't there a couple days back when I checked. Hooray for those omweather guys, they're usually only a few days behind weather.com's incessantly changing of format/syntax. Yes, they do an excellent job. But weather.com have screwed up something: all my stations for France cause the error message Wrong station code or ZIP code!!!. I deleted all my stations and then added them all back in again, just in case the internal codes had changed, but they still cause this error. Maybe weather.com has something against France? All the others work... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
omweather failure
Suddely, omweather on my N800 has started popping up messages saying the location cannot be found or the zip code is wrong. It's been working just fine for weeks since the last upgrade, and I have it configured for about 15 locations that I commonly visit, including a couple that I added to the database and rebuilt -- but which it has accepted perfectly happily until now. Has the Weather Channel changed its feed URI recently? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Reading PDFs
One of the problems with PDFs that are designed for printing is that the
margins and the orientation are understandably suboptimal for reading on
an 800x480 screen on a handheld device.
While sorting out some material for a long flight and trip next month, I
realised that by trimming the margins and rotating 90 degrees clockwise,
the pages of a book-shaped PDF could be made to fit comfortably on the
N800 screen so that I could hold it long ways up, with the control
button at the bottom where my thumb would be.
You can probably do this in a full copy of Acrobat, but the following
LaTeX code seems to do the job:
\documentclass[a4paper]{article}
\usepackage[landscape,margin=0pt,nohead,nofoot,
papersize={480,800},textheight=440bp]{geometry}
\usepackage{pdfpages}
\pagestyle{empty}
\begin{document}
\includepdf[angle=270,trim=72 72 72 72,pages=-]{filename}
\end{document}
The only things you need to measure are how much to trim off the four
sides to get rid of some of the margins (the units are Adobe points).
The minus argument to pages means all; you can also select a list or
range in curly braces like pages={1,2,3-10,14-22} etc.
Happy summer reading...now all I need is a battery capable of lasting an
8-hr flight in cattle class where there are no charger outlets...
///Peter
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Re: replacement battery for N810
Kevin T. Neely wrote: Nokia uses the same charger for all its batteries, so I'm sure that wouldn't be a problem. But you can get several differently-rated Nokia chargers with the same micro-plug (like the N800) intended for other devices like phones. So they'll fit, but the weaker (phone) ones won't give the heavier devices (N800) the full charge -- as I discovered to my cost when we went away last year and I forgot my N800 charger and couldn't buy one anywhere and had to rely on my daughter's phone charger twice a day... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Rumor mill: Maemo 5 device
Mark wrote: However, $750 and and/or a smaller screen would be showstoppers for me. That price would be a showstopper for anyone, even if included GPS and an accelerometer. That's well over three times the going rate for a pocket device. Also, at this point regular cellular voice would be a requirement for me. I'd rather not. I already have a perfectly working phone, and I don't want to combine phone and PDA: you look such a prat trying to work a spreadsheet while trying to make a call, or wearing one of those zomboid BT earpieces. Mais chacun a son gout. If they can't get the price to netbook levels or less, it's highly unlikely that a single soul will buy them. I think that's been the major issue with the tablets in the past: considering the features, the price is way above everybody's threshold until about the time the new model comes out, making the old one (depending on one's viewpoint) obsolete. Yep. €150-€200 is the max the market will pay for this here. Maybe in the USA where there is more disposable income it could go higher. ...but I strongly suspect that those leaked specs are all somebody's fantasy. I think the GPS and accelerometer probably are. And I think it's highly unlikely that it will be released in the next few weeks (they're saying July 2009), or even this summer. Next spring would be much easier to believe. It's already the end of June. Anyway, I'm not yet in the market for an upgrade at that price: the N800 cost me an ARM and a leg and it's working just fine. And certainly not with some daft cellphone deal like the iPhone that ties you to a single supplier at a massive markup. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
ncurses
I've been rearranging my SD cards and I wanted to install Emacs_22.1-1 (this is for OS-2008) to replace the older version. It's looking for ncurses-base and libxaw7 but I can't find any that install. I have the maemo-Extras repo installed, and I can see ncurses-base in there, but it doesn't appear in the App Manager. If I download ncurses-base-5.4-3.osso1.deb and try to install it manually, I get the error Incompatible application package. Is there a working .deb for OS2008 for these packages? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather weirdness
Karl Kobel wrote: Peter, Sorry if I wasn't totally clear. I just abbreviated the entire path. Unless you want the 'bleeding' edge development builds, you shouldn't have any repositories ending in devel. A new version was posted to the 'normal' repository, superseding the development build, which corrected the problem. No problem, thanks. I seem to have picked up the right version now, and it's all working fine except that I can't edit the names of the stations I have added (I *think* you could do this before)...it's fine with short names like Boston or Dublin, but I added O'Hare and its full name Chicago O'Hare International Airport forces the applet to widen across the whole screen when I select it :-) Not a major problem...I can probably edit the database entry. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: ncurses
Peter Flynn wrote: I've been rearranging my SD cards and I wanted to install Emacs_22.1-1 (this is for OS-2008) to replace the older version. It's looking for ncurses-base and libxaw7 but I can't find any that install. I have the maemo-Extras repo installed, and I can see ncurses-base in there, but it doesn't appear in the App Manager. If I download ncurses-base-5.4-3.osso1.deb and try to install it manually, I get the error Incompatible application package. Is there a working .deb for OS2008 for these packages? Seems so. I used apt-get install ncurses and it found a copy in Lithuania. ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Emacs
Having fixed the ncurses-base dependency, I tried to install with # mkdir /media/mmc1/emacs # dpkg --instdir=/media/mmc1/emacs -i emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb (Reading database ... 18457 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking emacs (from emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb) ... dpkg: error processing emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb (--install): error setting ownership of `./usr': Operation not permitted dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb # ls -ld /media/mmc1/emacs/ drwxrwxrwx 2 user root 32768 Jun 21 16:09 /media/mmc1/emacs/ # Why should it have a problem with ownership when I'm installing as root? Without knowing what the preprocess script is trying to do, can I assume that the './usr' it refers to is in fact /media/mmc1/emacs/usr (ie that it has changed directory to the specified destination and therefore really means it when it gives a relative directory reference?) or is it still in fact trying to install in /usr (which will of course fail: the built-in memory doesn't have enough space for something as big as Emacs). (And incidentally, is that 32768 because of the granularity of the FAT format? Give that this card will never need to be used in Windows, can I reformat it with mkfs and a lower block size?) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Emacs
Peter Flynn wrote: Having fixed the ncurses-base dependency, I tried to install with # mkdir /media/mmc1/emacs # dpkg --instdir=/media/mmc1/emacs -i emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb (Reading database ... 18457 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking emacs (from emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb) ... dpkg: error processing emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb (--install): error setting ownership of `./usr': Operation not permitted dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) Errors were encountered while processing: emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb # ls -ld /media/mmc1/emacs/ drwxrwxrwx 2 user root 32768 Jun 21 16:09 /media/mmc1/emacs/ # Why should it have a problem with ownership when I'm installing as root? Turns out that OS2008 allows the cards to be mounted as user. umounted mmc1 and remounted as root, and it appeared to start installing, but now it's gagging on (Reading database ... 18457 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking emacs (from emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb) ... dpkg: error processing emacs_22.1-1_armel.deb (--install): error creating hard link `./usr/bin/emacs-22.1': Operation not permitted and it doesn't appear to have written any files (maybe it wipes all traces if it aborts?) ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Multi-select
Just out of curiosity, is there a way to multi-select from a list (eg the App Mgr Installable Apps list) using the screen and stylus, or do I have to attach my keyboard? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather weirdness
Karl Kobel wrote: Tim Peter, I also had this 'problem'. Check your App-Manager repositories. Make sure the ...Devel repositories are disabled. There is a 'test only' version in there. Un-install, disable the Devel repository, and reinstall. I don't seem to have Devel. Extras-Devel is there so I disabled that. Now there is no omweather in the list of installable apps... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: omweather weirdness
Peter Flynn wrote: Karl Kobel wrote: Tim Peter, I also had this 'problem'. Check your App-Manager repositories. Make sure the ...Devel repositories are disabled. There is a 'test only' version in there. Un-install, disable the Devel repository, and reinstall. I don't seem to have Devel. Extras-Devel is there so I disabled that. Now there is no omweather in the list of installable apps... Aha. Having installed the new upgrades to abiword and a bunch of other stuff it just offered me (which are probably downgrades, seeing as I had Extras-Devel active), omweather has returned to the list, so I installed it and rebooted. It appears on the screen -- yay -- but when I go to add the stations-db and the shiny icons, they both fail to download. Maybe the server just crashed a few seconds ago... ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: GPE and Pimlico
lakestevensdental wrote: I haven't heard of or tried Pimlico, have heard of and use GPE, I too had never heard of Pimlico (apart from the London suburb of the same name, and the old Ealing comedy Passport to Pimlico :-) but it doesn't appear in my Apps list, so presumably there is a repo to add. However, GPE is working fine for me right now, apart from its incompatibility with the LCARS theme (which I posted about before) and the fact that it cannot properly handle timezones. This last one is a close-to-showstopper for anyone who travels a lot: I need to be able to put in my flight and set the timezone of the arrival time (and the times of my meetings in the destination zone) so that when I arrive and change the timezone in the (poor) Clock applet, they all show up correctly. This was available even on the otherwise lowly PIM apps in my old Sharp Zaurus. The Clock applet also needs a boost: it can only handle two zones, home and away, which is not good. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
omweather weirdness
I've had omweather on-screen ever since I got my N800 and it's been great. There was an update to the stations database the other day, and suddenly omweather has vanished from the screen, and it's no longer in the applet setup menu. So I uninstalled it (and the stations database) and reinstalled both, but I can't find a way to get it back into the applet menu, and when I run it standalone, there are no stations to select from. Has something happened that I have missed? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 for $180
Mark Haury wrote:
I'm using GPE myself, but I've spent 6 months trying to fix the botched
data import. There's just no way to reliably import data or specify
corresponding data fields.
Yes; the apps seem to have been designed by someone who has heard PIM
apps described, but has never seen any.
I have yet to get Abiword to import or export Word or OpenOffice files;
The new version I mentioned here a couple of days ago sems to open all
the ones my Windows-using colleagues send me.
... which is exactly the problem; you have to encode everything
specifically for the tablet. You can't just drag-and-drop existing files
(unless they're really low quality) onto the tablet and go.
I wouldn't expect to drop an full-rez video onto a small device and
expect it to play. The CPU just won't take that kind of strain.
Actually the calendar is the easy part; Erminig syncs GPE Calendar with
Google Calenar very reliably. That's the one sync that *does* work. My
problem is that I need to be able to print mailing labels etc. from the
contacts, which can't be done from the tablet in any way, shape or form.
Not so. You can export records from GPE Contacts to a VCard file, and
then run the file through vcf2csv and awk to create a file of LaTeX
\label{} commands which do the job just fine. Something like:
$ vcf2csv -i contacts.csv | awk -F '{print \\label{ \
gensub(,,1,$2) gensub(,,,G,$11) }}' \
labels.tex
(that's a TAB in the -F argument to awk).
There's been a lot of hype about the new crop of MID devices, which
are basically clones of the Nokia Internet Tablets, but they're being
very slow about actually coming to market. The Asus R50A is an example,
but seems to have similar problems with unfinished OS and apps. I guess
the price point keeps these companies from dedicating many resources to
sorting them out properly because of the fear they won't sell well and
make money, so it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.
What puzzles me a little (and perhaps some of the developers here can
comment) is that not that many years ago, a 64Mb desktop was perfectly
capable of running a full Linux distro. Not blindingly fast, but usable.
Given a decent ARM chip, and a 16Gb SD card, I would have thought it not
impossible to run something equivalent on a pocket device, assuming the
device drivers can be written. I'm not a hardware engineer, so there may
be something missing in this, but what I am running on the N800 now is
extremely close to what I was running on my old Dell desktop. I have
heard of moves to port Ubuntu to handheld devices, I think.
Nokia had most of the right idea, but if the OS and apps are the
problem, there are people willing to make them work provided they have a
sensible and standards-obedient platform to target. Unfortunately the
manufacturers are approaching the problem from the wrong end (misled by
Marketing, as usual).
///Peter
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Re: Default Contact Application
Luca Olivetti wrote: En/na Mark ha escrit: I wasn't very clear: what I meant to say was that IIRC the built-in apps can't be defeated as the defaults for their particular actions, but there may be hope for some types of files that aren't already associated with the as-shipped apps. Or maybe they all can be changed. Surely someone knows. I know for sure that the default browser cannot be substituted for another one (many have tried and failed). It's annoying when you click on a link on any application and it will try to open it in the default browser, when you actually are trying to use a more functional one. I always have to remember to do a long tap, wait for the context menu to appear, copy link and paste it into the browser I actually use. As I said, annoying. Don't forget all these devices (and their manufacturers, and a large number of their original developers) come out of the commercial market, and carry with them the conventional belief that their apps are so superior to anything else that no-one in their right mind would ever dream of wanting to change to an equivalent. It's the same mind-set that makes installer-writers hijack filetypes to their own app. It's a form of arrogance, but I don't mean that nastily; they genuinely believe that they are helping the user and doing the right thing by making it impossible to change. They just happen to be mistaken in that belief. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 for $180
Lake Stevens Dental wrote: FYI, Buy.com has the n810 for $180. Which is another way of saying, the end of the n810 series is near... It's still a great little unit, as is the n800. What's the replacement for the N810? My N800 is still going fine, but if I was in the market for a new equivalent, what's the model, and are there any nasty gotchas? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: N810 for $180
Mark wrote: What's the replacement for the N810? There is none. From the details they've given thus far, the next generation of Maemo devices are going to be completely different than the current tablets, with incompatible hardware therefore software/OS. I don't care if they are different inside and run a different OS (assuming they are still Unix-based and not Microsoft :-) What I want is a pocket computer the approximate size and weight of the N800 which does the same stuff, but a bit faster and a bit higher rez and more flexible memory/disk. Once again, you totally misunderstand and misrepresent my arguments. What I'm saying is that the ITs are marketed to anybody who will buy them, including clueless consumers. (Buy.com is a huge consumer-oriented site, not an obscure company catering to developers...) But Nokia treats them like developer's toys, and doesn't support them the way they should. Nokia is the one that is speaking with forked tongue. I think that's too harsh. I just think Nokia's management was badly misled by Marketing into believing that ITs were a viable concept. Perhaps they were for a brief time. What they missed was the vastly bigger market for pocket computers. I bought my N800 because I took the bait and thought it was a consumer-level device because of everything I saw in the sales material. I was duped. I'm sorry to hear that, but caveat emptor. I'm afraid that after 30 years in IT I never believe a word of the sales material, even if it's written by the engineers (the only people you can actually trust). I like my tablet, but it's turned out to be nothing but a toy. It can do lots of neat things, but in every area it falls just short of fulfilling its potential: I think you said you have an N810. I can't compare directly because I have an N800, and I've never even seen an N810 (and unlikely to here [Ireland] because Nokia just closed down their local store, and they had never seen an N800 until I brought mine in to show them). it can display moving maps, but can't actually navigate; I never expected mine to do that anyway. I knew it was theoretically possible, but the processor is wy too slow for mapping apps, the BT-connected satellite receivers are way too expensive, and the data quality of the free maps, even OpenStreetMap, is hopelessly inadequate. I have a perfectly-working TomTom, anyway. it can do PIM-like things (after installing third-party apps), I've already described elsewhere the errors made in selecting that particular set of built-ins. But the GPE apps are adequate, although no more than that (the authors need some more experience with usability criteria). but can't easily and reliably sync all of that data; I don't keep my PIM data anywhere else but the N800 (and backup) so that isn't an issue for me. In nearly three decades of using pocket devices I have never needed or wanted to synch the PIM data with anything else. it can do basic text files, It wouldn't be worth using if it didn't. but the shipped app uses a proprietary format and it can't open or edit any actual office documents; Same answer as for PIMs: the shipped apps were worthless. AbiWord provides all this and more. It's not the world's most wonderful interface, and it's got bits missing, but it's fine to open and save all the formats I have fed it so far. it can be a media player, but is limited as to the formats and especially video resolution/bitrates (it can't even do native screen resolution, only a quarter of screen resolution); With Andrew Flegg's tablet-encode script I have plenty of perfectly working pr0^H^H^Hmovies (enough for two transatlantic flights and two long car/train journeys and a couple of boring hotel evenings) within the limits of whatever brain-dead DRM it can work around. Plus I can do my email, news, blog, tweet, chat, manage my servers, run Emacs and Saxon and XSLT and LaTeX, wordprocess, spreadsheet, Skype, Gizmo, and that's about all I need right now. Maybe *you* are never offline, but anybody who needs offline access to their complete contact database/schedule/etc. *does* need a PIM. And who wants to carry around multiple devices when one is enough? I just carry the whole damn lot on the N800. Online or offline, I'm sorted. But I'm lucky -- I don't have to share my calendar with others (and I would refuse to do so if asked, anyway). I give up. You people and your straw-man arguments will never be convinced. The tension seems to be between developers, who want a toy they can hone their skills on, and users, who just want a computer that works. These are two separate products. So maybe I should have been more precise in my original question: Is there (or will there be soon) a pocket computer from some manufacturer (not necessarily Nokia) running a Unix-type OS of some description (not necessarily Maemo) that is broadly speaking a suitable replacement device for
Re: Default Contact Application
sean wrote: Is there a way to change the default Contact application from the built in one to something else, in this case I am trying out GPE Contacts? I don't think it's possible, but I have a dim recollection of someone posting a long time ago to say it *was* possible, just difficult. While here, can you somehow change the default application for any need? I wish. By default I would look to the Filemanager, but it does not appear to be able fill the demand, either does the control panel. FileManager as shipped is brain-dead. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Starter Tips
sean wrote: Hello All, I just purchased a used N800, and it arrived a little earlier today. Just looking for any real user tips as to get the most out of the device? I hope that it can replace my aging palm as best as possible, but I have read of the lack of built in PIM, GPE seems to be a common recommendation. The built-in PIM apps are primitive in the extreme: it's astonishing that anyone could have felt they were releasable, but Nokia conceived of the device as a web tablet instead of a PDA or even just a pocket computer. I use the GPE ones and they're OK but of course they don't mesh with the rest of the device, which assumes you're using the built-in ones. It may be possible to change the behaviour but it's not a show-stopper. Otherwise it does pretty much everything my laptop did. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Abiword
My updater icon flashed yesterday and it turned out to be Abiword. Amazing. The new version fixes the scrolling bug on the N800, and adds a sheaf of new file formats supports, including .docx Serious congratulations to them all. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: pdf reading?
Laura Conrad wrote: Marius If you're reading in full-screen mode, you can also press Marius the area on the middle of the right side of the screen. Marius There are translucent buttons that show up when you display Marius a new page and then fade out, to give you a hint of where to Marius press. They work even when invisible. Do these exist in the PDF Reader on the N800? I opened a document the other day and zoomed in a bit (eyesight isn't what it used to be :-) and two left and right triangles appeared, but when I dragged the page around the screen, they vanished. Nevertheless, the and buttons on the top of the device scroll sideways to the edge of the page, and then one more press goes to the next page. But as with yours, the geometry repositions the page in the window instead of honouring the offset that you established on the previous page. This seems to be a design misperception: it also existed for many years on a number of PostScript and DVI and (desktop) PDF readers, but was eventually tracked down and removed because of user complaints. I fiddled with this. When they're visible, they do the wrong thing. Usability is about doing the right thing, and it's really hard to guess. Still not as good for reading in bed as what FBReader does with the +/- rocker switch on top, but at least you can imagine reading a (short) book that way. What missing on mine is being able to rotate the display 90 degrees so that you can read a page in portrait orientation. I *hate* having to flip up and down to see the missing half of a page. But this will only work right when we start to use reflowable PDFs, where the text within paragraph-level objects re-linebreaks itself according to the width of the window, like a HTML browser does. That brings its own set of problems (math, multiple columns) but at least for normal continuous text it would solve a lot of the current difficulties. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: pdf reading?
Laura Conrad wrote: Peter What missing on mine is being able to rotate the display 90 Peter degrees so that you can read a page in portrait Peter orientation. I *hate* having to flip up and down to see the Peter missing half of a page. Can't you do that at the OS level? Not with the N800 as far as I know. Unless I have missed something significant. But I don't want the background and all my applets rotated, only the PDF Reader app, so it's an application feature, not something I would expect to find at the OS level. I can't imagine being able to read a normal page of text on a screen the size of the 8x0, so I haven't even tried, although I do this when I'm reading PDF's on the laptop. I've started producing some PDFs specifically optimised for the N800 screen, just to get a feel for it. Or convincing the people who send you ebooks to send html or equivalent instead of PDF. I have the packet for Hugo award voters, which I was really looking forward to, but most of the ones I didn't already have are PDF's. Hence my desire to get the 810 reader working. I'm doing better than I would have expected. I had the same (how many others here are going to Anticipation?). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Where is telnet?
Alberto Garcia wrote: On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 11:25:18AM -0600, Mark wrote: telnet belongs on an Interner Tablet, and claiming otherwise is akin to claiming that the WWW is the internet. Misnomenclature aside, making claims about a device's abilities that can only be attained by installing additional or 3rd party apps or developing/porting them yourself amounts to false advertising. If it doesn't have a capability out of the box, then don't advertise it... Sorry guys, but I don't get this. People have already ported software that is much more complex than telnet, such as OpenOffice, KDE or Pidgin. I think what it meant was that it doesn't have this capability out of the box. Sure, anyone can port anything, given enough time and patience; the error was at the marketing level in Nokia in misunderstanding the market it was aimed at, and thus failing to include the necessary ports. If no one ever realised that telnet was so essential until May 2009 being such a trivial program to port then it probably wasn't that important after all. I realised it immediately, as I use Telnet frequently from my desktop for checking access, as Graham described. But finding the toolchain and compiling a version myself proved so forbidding at the time that I gave up. Sure, there are dozens of small command-line tools that some of us use everyday, but that doesn't mean that the tablet has to come with all of them installed. The root filesystem is already quite full as it is now. Are we going to have the same thread when someone misses nmap and netcat? Quite possibly. But they certainly don't all have to be installed as of day one -- they just need to be available as add-ons. My gut feeling is that the vast majority of the stock commandline apps ought to compile as-is from Debian sources, but I'm happy to accept a developer's better judgment on that. I *did* manage to compile one little (200-line) specialist commandline C tool on my Ubuntu desktop for the Arm, which works perfectly (although I can't remember the incantation I used now)...but I do remember finding out how to do it was *really* hard; at one stage I downloaded and installed some monstrous development environment which everyone said was essential (to compile 200 lines of C?) which appeared to be an entire N800 emulator and which nearly killed my desktop system. rant It's sad that there is no evidence that Nokia marketing even understand that the problem exists, let alone understand the problem itself. Joe and Jill User will never in a million years buy a web tablet that looks and smells anything different from Windows, complete with all faults and bugs. On the other hand there are millions of developers, hackers, programmers, students, os-savvy businesspeople (yes, they do exist), and academics who will happily buy a pocket Linux system that has the same power that their desktop had only a few years ago, particularly from a well-known and trusted name like Nokia, but it needs to be similarly configurable. Don't get me wrong, I love my N800 and wouldn't trade it for anything else except its successor[s], but I just feel there is a badly-missed market segment there, and I find that surprising from a company with Nokia's rep and resources. I'm just grateful to all the people who have done so much to extend the software base as they have. /rant ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: skype2 ?
Dmitry S. Makovey wrote: Question might be somewhat naive, but does anybody know if there is any chance of skype2 making it to N8x0 devices? It sure would be nice to be able to utilize built-in camera... It certainly would...it's always puzzled me that Nokia built it in, but it's basically redundant, as it's not usable for any application apart from the camera app for taking stills, and Nokia's own chat which no-one uses (unless I've missed something here). I've been using Skype and Gizmo for a while, and the *transmitted* sound quality of Skype appears to be superior to that of Gizmo, as tested by calling the same set of contacts on both, within a 2-minute period on several different occasions. I could hear them fine, but they said my voice was broken up, and too strong in the treble range. I don't know enough about audio programming or VOIP transmission to know if this is an accident or something in the code. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
GPE Calendar and LCARS Theme
I'd like a little advice about this before filing a bug report. If you run GPE Calendar and you use the LCARS Theme (any of them), the calendar entries come out in pale yellow on a white background, which means they're unreadable. OK, so LCARS does some fairly deep surgery on theming, but I have no idea where the palettes are stored, and I don't know if the fault (if there is one) is that GPE Calendar is flagging stuff wrongly wrt the palette, or that LCARS is overwriting the palette with its own without checking or testing. I don't really want to submit this to both authors, but ideally get them to discuss it between themselves and identify where the problem lies, because that's something I can't do. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Installing packages onto /media/...
I have a nicely-running N800, but the apps I use are taking up most of the internal space. I want to add a couple of big ones (TeX is one) and I have plenty of space on SD cards. Is there a command for package installation that says, in effect, install this all in /media/foo/bar and symlink it back to where you would normally have installed it? Or some other way? I guess if I knew how to view the inside of a package I could work out where all the big stuff is expecting to go, and create symlinks in those places to the SD cards...or would that make the installer spit blood when it finds that symlinks exist where it expected to create new directories? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Abiword
Dr. Nicholas Shaw wrote: Hmmm... Interesting. Abiword was in my catalog and is installed on my 810 (running Diablo). The current version is 2.6.4. I've had no problems. Weird. Not there now anyway. It goes straight from A-GPS to Abuse. Dave Neary wrote: Abiword's in a separate repository listed on Gronmayer: http://www.gronmayer.com/it/index.php?lang=ensystem=maemo3sort=hitsshow_pck=101 Unfortunately if you go to that page and click on the Click to Install button, you get the error message (on the N800) Unable to install (null). In compatible application package. As this claims to be a package install I'm not clear what's wrong with it, but it's very obviously broken. http://www.abisource.com/downloads/apt Does anyone know why Abiword's own site has no mention of the Nokia port? I don't know why it hasn't been submitted to maemo.org/downloads, I'm afraid. I'd guess because it's broken. If anyone has a working .deb I'd be grateful to know. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: getting the wep key from the tablet?
Jonathan Greene wrote: any one know if it possible to get the wep key i am connected to in order to use it on my laptop? Someone (I forget whom, but thanks) posted this here the other day in response to a query on mine. It's well hidden, in directories with names you would never guess, and not in any of the normal places (/etc or ~/.gconf; I think someone went to town on the security): /var/lib/gconf/system/osso/connectivity/IAP/string/%gconf.xml where string is one of the directories with names that look like an MD5 checksum. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Headset plugged in disables ringtones
Eero Tamminen wrote: But not to both at the same time (i.e. music to headphones, alarm to speaker). Would you remember to switch sound to speakers when you take the headphones off your head? I think it's just easier to unplug the headphones from the device. Surely an incoming call should flash the LED or blink the screen or something if the headphones are plugged in? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Ryan Abel wrote: [...] Pretty much everything, but I can only recommend that you upgrade, OK, all done and working, and thanks for the pointers. http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Small buglet: the page says switch on your tablet while holding the Home-button (N800) but I couldn't find any documentation which referred to a home button. I guessed it referred to the middle button of the upper rocker. The only immediately obvious thing was that the interface is more sluggish than OS2007, in that it takes noticeably longer to respond to a touch with the stylus, especially when waking from screen-blank. And someone has replaced the caps lock button on the screen keyboard with a language-switch button. Grrr. *Bad* choice. TeX Emacs [...] All of these things work fine (in fact, most of them work a lot better) in Diablo. The only one I'm not sure about is SaxonB8, but I'm sure a little googling will turn up what you need. . . . Saxon is no problem, it's a standard XSLT processor in Java. TeX is a problem, though: I can't find where I got the package. I'm sure it'll turn up, and I have my original copy on a backup DVD somewhere, but the difficulty was that it's *way* too big to fit on the system internal storage, and there isn't any option that I know of to tell it to install itself on (eg) /media/mmc1/... In any case, it really ought to be recompiled from the new TeX Live 2008, out last month. I'd even offer to take over packaging if I could find the right commandline toolchain -- I will *not* install the ghastly Virtual environment I tried earlier in the year which nearly drove my laptop into the ground. Emacs is a bigger problem. The version I downloaded installed but wouldn't execute, and it was an Xterm version anyway. I did contact the author who promised me a new version but contact fell apart. It needs to be in its own window, but my programming skills aren't up to that. Is *anyone* out there using Emacs on the N800 and if so where did you get it? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Abiword
What is the current status of Abiword for Diablo? Garage says it's 4-beta but doesn't provide any download links, and says there are no files associated with this project. Abiword's own site has no mention of it, and it's not in maemo.org/downloads Where should I be looking? ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Ryan Abel wrote: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware I'm about to flash to Diablo. Everything is backed up, but in case I need it, whereabouts (what file) are my wlan connection data stored? I know most of the dozen or so access points I use regularly but there are a few that I'd like to be able to retrieve. I assumed they would be in one of the %gconf.xml files user /etc but a quick grep doesn't turn up anything useful. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Tim Ashman wrote: I use in diable on n810 calendar contacts Out of interest, are these the same apps as shipped with the N800/Bora? Or are they completely new (ie do they have the functionality people expect from a PIM app nowadays?) Ryan Abel wrote: Pretty much everything, but I can only recommend that you upgrade, Thanks for the info. I'm convinced. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Default PIM software
Andrew Flegg wrote: The built in Internet Call. It works very well when your wife/son have an N810 at home, and you're working until 11pm practically every night for 3 weeks. Being able to say night night to my toddler's the only thing which has kept me (vaguely) sane. That's a very excellent reason. Unfortunately I don't know anyone else who has an N8** (present company excepted :-). If Pidgin and/or aMSN or anything else with a widely-used video protocol works in Diablo with the camera then that solves the problem. As Quim's asked before - what are you using to define PIM? The only PIMish apps which ship with Maemo are Contacts and, arguably, Email. I'm surprised the question has to be asked. PIM apps universally are Contacts and Calendar, but they have to link to each other plus whatever you use for Browser, Email, and IM/SIP, which are not themselves PIM apps. That is, adding a new contact (or updating an existing one) should link the email address to the email app, the phone number to the SIP app, the userid to the IM app, the homepage to the browser, and the birthday to the Calendar (or link them the other way, whichever is appropriate). Equally, changing one of those values in one of the apps should be reflected in the other[s]. Calendar, for example, needs to distinguish between events and appointments, allow multi-day events, recurrent events, and provide for both copy and move functions. Contacts needs to provide for linking between related people (co-workers, family, etc), multiple phone numbers, email addresses, etc... Sorry, that's all OT: this is no place to write the spec, but I am slightly puzzled as to why anyone would ask: this is all basic, fundamental usability stuff. Of course all that linking isn't going to work with everything to start with, not until the individual authors, especially the more corporate ones, get off their high horses about pet favourite file formats for config files, and start using a common standard. But an effort should be made. As I said, I'm no longer a programmer; I'm a document engineer, and I write specs and docs, so once my degree is out of the way (mid 2009) I am happy to give some time to this if it would help. No PDA-sized browser is going to support all the hopelessly-broken web pages out there in the way that FF does, alas. But a version of Javascript that worked properly would be nice. Eh? Define worked properly: microb's JavaScript engine is perfectly fine, and, IME, browsing is only hamstrung by CPU performance, memory usage and screen size (and, to a degree, screen resolution). Work properly :== behave the same way as the JavaScript in FF does. OK, so that breaks on JScript and other excrescences, but it's an accepted level of behaviour. I only have experience with the JavaScript that comes by default with the default browser for OS2007: I don't know if this is microb's JavaScript or not. This often fails to position stuff where FF does (at the same rez), and fails frequently to instantiate buttons and menus that can be clicked (they're visible but don't operate). Maybe upgrading to Diablo will fix this: I haven't dug into what browser comes with that. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Ryan Abel wrote: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware That page seems to be entirely blank. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Faheem Pervez wrote: On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 3:46 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ryan Abel wrote: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware That page seems to be entirely blank. Ctrl-Shift-R Thank you. What a curious thing to have to do to view a web page. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
App behaviour (was: Re: App-Manager failure
Tim Ashman wrote: On Sunday 23 November 2008 04:14:56 am Peter Flynn wrote: Tim Ashman wrote: I use in diable on n810 calendar contacts Out of interest, are these the same apps as shipped with the N800/Bora? Or are they completely new (ie do they have the functionality people expect from a PIM app nowadays?) No they are the same completely limited apps that came with the original software. I use gpe and it works great but since it doesn't have the hooks into the rest of the OS it is still very disconnected. OK, thanks. I was just commenting on the fact that of the apps you wish to use on diablo those do work at least as well as they did before with chinook. A pity they can't be junked and replaced by the GPE apps as the default. My only pain point is that the old email worked better for me than modest does. I now use my providers webmail instead. Personally, I *hate* web-based email: crummy editors, restricted facilities, lousy interfaces. Claws is not a bad substitute for Thunderbird. Again as I stated before, I need modest to do the following. 1. Allow me to select at deletion time if I want to delete from the server the device or both I noticed that in the default mail app and wondered that functionality was provided: I'd never seen it in any mailer before; then it dawned on me that some people want to keep some mail locally and some remotely. I'd agree, but I'd want to be able to defeat it as an option and set Delete to mean remove from both always. 2. Allow multiple accounts to funnel directly into the inbox. I'd want precisely the opposite. Again the default mail app does this and has no way to keep mail from different accounts separate, which i find deeply confusing. But again, the facility should be there, switchable. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
CUPS
Did anyone ever get CUPS working, either under OS2007 or OS2008? I installed it and was able to install a printer but it never created any output because the pstotext utility was broken, and returned an error (2 I think). There was no indication of where to log this, and mail to the packager went unreplied. Everything else in the package (the CUPS web interface, gs, and the remaining psto* utilities) seemed to be OK, but I had no way to recompile pstotext in isolation. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Default PIM software
Mark wrote: On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 4:10 PM, Peter Flynn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was the biggest mistake, IMHO. I've never used it for the simple reason that there is no software (that I have found) to do anything meaningful with it, and the software provided is a chat system to which no-one seems to be signed up. Stills: [snip] Video: [clip] I did say meaningful. I can take stills and video with my cellphone. When you pop out the camera, it pops up some chat program to which nobody seems to be connected. *That* is not meaningful. Many use the terms Internet and Web interchangeably, but they're not. I'm well aware of the distinction. I'm not entirely clear why you felt it necessary, but thank you for the tutorial. The problem is that Nokia saw fit so market a device with a camera and no network applications to make use of it apart from the default dodo. Leaving it to the community is all very well, but it simply hasn't worked in the case of the camera. (I'm actually uninterested in using the camera anyway; this was an example). ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Ryan Abel wrote: Yes, upgrade to Diablo, it has a much more useful Application Manager. :) I haven't got that far yet. Having avoided OS2008 on the information on most forums that it basically broke too many things that worked in OS2007, I need to look much harder at what will and won't work in Diablo. Open to recommendations... If that's not an option, running apt-get update as root in xterm will give you more verbose errors It certainly did, and I should have tried this earlier. jalimo.org seems to have moved somewhere; anderenen.de has gone 404 and I had a duplicate for catalogue-tableteer for some reason. Now I can update stuff, but it says omweather 0.21.3 download is corrupt, and that openssh-common 1:4.6p1-5.maemo1 is needed but unavailable. Not a show-stopper, what's there works OK. Thanks for the help. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Default PIM software
Mark wrote: You're right. It is possible to change a setting so the default useless app doesn't open when you pop out the camera, but that doesn't change the fact that the tablet doesn't come with anything useful. That setting doesn't seem to stick too well. Skype and Gizmo are only a couple of clicks away, but I don't know anybody who uses them, either. Is there anything available in Diablo or OS2008 that uses the camera successfully? (Just curious) Since my cellphone doesn't have a camera, the apps I mentioned are more useful to me than to you. Good point. I shouldn't have made that assumption. I have to point out, though, that the resulting files are more easily portable on the tablet than on a phone, and storage isn't an issue on the tablet. Very true, although I was surprised and pleased to see that a .3gp video from my phone plays perfectly on the N800. This is indeed the problem: it is marketed as to its potential, but sold with little besides Web browsing. That's the point of my description of the significant difference between Web and Internet. Ah. Yes. They got it badly wrong, which is surprising for Nokia. The market isn't suits who browse the web (and even if it was, all the more reason why they got the default PIM apps to disastrously wrong). They're all crackberry addicts or welded at the hip to Microsoft Mobile. The market is the geek^H^H^H^Htechnically-aware professional who wants more than a corporate-issue PDA. If Nokia wants to know what the market is and what it wants, they merely have to ask nicely, not have Marketing conduct some spurious piece of research. Exactly, although the camera may not be the most compelling example. I would start with a hobbled Mozilla-based browser that doesn't support extensions. Even its strongest, most hyped feature is severely limited. No PDA-sized browser is going to support all the hopelessly-broken web pages out there in the way that FF does, alas. But a version of Javascript that worked properly would be nice. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: App-Manager failure
Ryan Abel wrote: Ignore trolls and upgrade. :) Seriously, you get a whole 70 extra megahertz for _free_, not to mention improvements pretty much _everywhere_. A lot depends on what the improvements are :-) Seriously, upgrade. Bora is old, slow, and unsupported. So long as I can flash back to it if the stuff I need doesn't yet work in Diablo, I'm happy; Java SaxonB8 TeX Emacs Calendar Contacts Gizmo Claws Xterm PDF reader Gnumeric Xchat CUPS Abiword Pidgin Mauku ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: the hell of Maemo repos
Mark wrote: The bottom line is that there are some serious problems in the way that Nokia has and continues to approach the ITs and support for them. Until they not only acknowledge that but address it realistically, they are going to have to deal with the occasional attack. Get used to it! If we customers are going to have to live with the everpresent disappointment of devices that aren't coming anywhere near to living up to their hype or potential, then you're going to have to get used to the occasional complaint or rant. That's how it works. What saddens me about this is that we have seen it all before in the Sharp Zaurus field and no-one (not vendors, developers, supporters, nor users) seems to have learned from history. Nokia have behaved infinitely more responsibly than Sharp ever did, but the arguments over FOSS or non-FOSS, broken repos, and selection of software are almost identical. These things upset people, very clearly, but we live in an imperfect world, and the best thing to do is try and maintain a dialogue at all times. No-one is trying to breach Nokia's business-plan security, just as no-one is trying to force FOSS champions to forsake their principles, but dialogue means providing information -- both ways. I'm just a user. I can't fix bugs or contribute upgrades. My N800 has given (and continues to give) excellent service, and maybe one day I'll be able to afford an N810 or whatever replaces it, but in the meantime, it would be nice if we could avoid repeating history. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Aw: Re: the hell of Maemo repos
Mark wrote: I also have to point out that the maemo site is always incredibly slow, which can't possibly help any of these situations. It doesn't matter whether I'm on my home desktop, my N800 on WiFi, or a school machine on a very fast network, it always takes forever for pages on the maemo site to be served, and frequently it times out first. Even when pages do load, frequently there are elements missing. If the repositories are similarly affected, that could create havoc with anyone trying to update them. I must admit I don't have this problem, either at home or at work. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
Re: Changing wireless password
Andre Klapper wrote: Am Mittwoch, den 05.11.2008, 12:46 + schrieb Peter Flynn: Our campus has parallel wireless networks, one for staff/faculty and one for students. Both use the same settings but different usernames/passwords: I deleted the entry for the student network and checked the settings for the staff network, and it's clearly trying to connect, but it comes up with the failed to authenticate error, presumably because the password has changed -- but I cannot find anywhere to tell it to use my new password. gconftool-2 --recursive-list /system/osso/connectivity/IAP will provide output of the connections that are stored on your device. Check the value of EAP_wpa_preshared_passphrase for the affected connection. Running gconftool-2 -s --type string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/$STRING/EAP_wpa_preshared_passphrase foo will reset the current value to foo - you must change $STRING to the ID provided by the output of the first command. Unfortunately that didn't work, although the first command does report that the EAP_wpa_preshared_passphrase is set. But is that the right field? In the interface, WPA pre-shared key and WPA with EAP are two mutually-exclusive settings for Security Method, and I'm using WPA with EAP because that's what the network uses. ///Peter ___ maemo-users mailing list maemo-users@maemo.org https://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-users
