[Mailman-Users] Mailman Replication

2005-04-13 Thread Χρήστος Ράμμος
Hello to all,
I was wondering if Mailman can be replicated into 2 (or more ) server.
For example if the one goes down the other can run with the same 
data(lists,archives, etc).

Any ideas?
Thanks in Advance
Christos Rammos
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Re: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 14, 2005, at 02:32, Rob Shepherd wrote:
before I try and trace the problem would you recommend I may as well 
upgrade.

How "beta" is 2.1.6beta? Any reports of using it in a production 
environment?
It fixes some of the known problems with 2.1.5, and adds only a few new 
features.  I think it is an improvement, but there haven't been a *lot* 
of reports of people successfully using it showing up on the mailing 
list... but no howls of pain either.

I can't imagine that it will change the problem you are seeing however.
Will it be easy to upgrade to stable once it is released?
Yes.  The usual configure, make, make install dance should work.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 13, 2005, at 22:40, Tony Bibbs wrote:
I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts 
over to a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data 
directories.  This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of 
the addresses tied to each list came with them.  Thoughts?
(You will probably also want to copy the archives and mm_cfg.py 
customizations.)

If you copied the contents of the lists directory, that contains all of 
the subscriber addresses.

If you mean the addresses to reach the mailing lists, you will also 
need to copy or recreate all of the aliases that pipe mail into mailman 
(unless you use an MTA scheme that automatically detects the lists, 
which is most common for Exim users).  the bin/genaliases command can 
(re)build the complete list of aliases for your lists.  (If you are 
using Postfix, you will also want to tell it where to find the aliases 
in the data directory... details are in README.POSTFIX.)

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Re: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors

2005-04-13 Thread Larry Stone
On 4/13/05 8:20 PM, Brad Knowles at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-04-13, Heather Madrone wrote:
> 
>>  Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
>>  list?
> 
> Encoding errors?  What do you mean?

I think she means this:
[Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]
which I see in many list messages when logged into the shell on my computer
and reading with pine (pine 4.58 running on MacOS X 10.3.8; for
completeness, the MTA is whatever version of postfix came with Mac OS X
10.3). I saw it in a message tonight:

Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2005 18:22:26 -0500
From: Jess Mooers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Mailman Users List 
Subject: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending
...
W 608-257-1558 F 608-257-8705
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   [Error: Formatting error: Non-hexadecimal character in QP encoding]

Note in this case, it displayed into the mailman-users footer although I've
seen it much earlier in a message. I see this frequently (a few times a
week) and always and only in mailman-users messages. I hexdumped my mail box
and saw nothing interesting but have included the section that includes that
where pine complained below. Maybe someone else can see something of
interest there.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending

2005-04-13 Thread Morris Jones
Jess Mooers wrote:
The problem is that the message never sends from mailman.  Any help in troubleshooting would be great.
I've had the same problem twice in the past month with Mailman 2.1.5. 
The qrunner was wedged, and a restart freed up the logjam.

I haven't seen anyone claim to know what might be going on yet.  Let me 
know if the same thing works for you.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] encoding errors

2005-04-13 Thread Brad Knowles
At 6:14 PM -0700 2005-04-13, Heather Madrone wrote:
 Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
 list?
Encoding errors?  What do you mean?
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[Mailman-Users] Re: Mailman-Users Digest, Vol 14, Issue 21

2005-04-13 Thread paul
Vanaf 16 april ben ik weg voor een paar maanden. In die tijd kan ik misschien 
af en toe mijn E-mail lezen en beantwoorden, zeker is dat niet. Verwacht dus 
geen antwoord voor midden juni.
groeten,
Paul

>From april 16th I will be out for some month's. So, don't count on an answer 
>on your E-mail before mid-june.
regards,
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[Mailman-Users] encoding errors

2005-04-13 Thread Heather Madrone
Does anyone know why there are so many encoding errors with posts to this
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Re: [Mailman-Users] In it possible to have Accept ticked by default?

2005-04-13 Thread Chip Mefford
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Mark Sapiro wrote:
| Rodger Copp wrote:
|
|
|>Excuse me for asking something that may be obvious or has been asked
|>before. I searched the FAQ and archives and didn't find anything
|>related. I am not the administrator for our installation of Mailman, I'm
|>just a suit that has a question/suggestion.
|>
|>Is it possible to have the Accept selection ticked by default instead
|>of Defer for Mailman's Moderator Administration page? If it's not
|>possible, perhaps you can put it on your "To Do" list.
|
|
| I don't think you'd want this. If it worked this way, and you happened
| not to explicitly review and set each message before 'submitting all
| data' (say you didn't happen to scroll all the way down), then
| messages you hadn't seen would be approved.
You can do it in the code. I've done similar things to change
default behavior.
However, it does beg the question, why not just set
the default non-member action to accept, if that's
going to be the default action anyway? Then you can hand-add abusers
to blacklists elsewhere.


|
| Approving a message you haven't reviewed is a potentially more serious
| problem than forgetting to tick the approved box and having to do it a
| second time.
|
| That said, feature requests can be submitted at
| http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=103&atid=350103
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[Mailman-Users] MailMan Not Sending

2005-04-13 Thread Jess Mooers
I am having a strange problem with Mailman 2.1.5, Mac OS X Server 10.3, Postfix.

First, Postfix is sending mail from our php forms, so I know that it is 
working.  I can send a message to the list, with no bounce backs.  Here is the 
mail log that shows the email being sent. 

Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: connect from 
smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: DDCE9298A97C: 
client=smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/cleanup[15538]: DDCE9298A97C: 
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/qmgr[14677]: DDCE9298A97C: from=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, size=1149, nrcpt=1 (queue active)
Apr 13 16:57:13 xserve1 postfix/smtpd[15537]: disconnect from 
smtp.landmanninteractive.com[66.170.10.201]
Apr 13 16:57:14 xserve1 postfix/local[15540]: DDCE9298A97C: to=<[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=1, status=sent 
("|/usr/share/mailman/mail/mailman post li_customers")

The problem is that the message never sends from mailman.  Any help in 
troubleshooting would be great.

Regards,
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Re: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests

2005-04-13 Thread Rob Shepherd
Jim Tittsler wrote:
On Apr 13, 2005, at 23:08, Rob Shepherd wrote:
Jim Tittsler wrote:
On Apr 13, 2005, at 20:21, Rob Shepherd wrote:
However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation  
requests come through. they have different hashes and my mail log  
shows two different emails
(so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
Do you get two confirmation mails if you subscribe from the web  
interface?
(If it is only when trying to subscribe via email, I'd look for  
broken/superfluous aliases.)

OK then first off I apologise, I was sending "subscribe" to  
announce-request and not announce-join. Now it sends only with the  
correct address.

I think there is something else going on, because the -request address  
should work.  I'd suggest double checking your aliases.   
(~mailman/bin/genaliases can generate the proper list for you.)

Thanks very much for your assistance Jim, much appreciated.
genaliases produces the same files as before.
This problem happens if I send to a virtual list (normal postfix virtual mail
works fine) or if I send to a non virtual alias.
 From postfix's logs I see in both occurences postfix expands the alisases
properly and delivers to command just the once.
NOTE: if I post subscribe to -subscribe or -join it works fine ( just the one 
post )
However if I post subscribe to -request it send to different confirmation 
emails.
I remembered the "owner-request-special" conf for postfix and checked that; 
it
says "no", as it should.
I am under the impression that if it "should" work but doesn't then there may be
other gremlins waiting to act but maybe not identify themselves in such an
obvious manner next time.
before I try and trace the problem would you recommend I may as well upgrade.
How "beta" is 2.1.6beta? Any reports of using it in a production environment?
Will it be easy to upgrade to stable once it is released?
Many thanks.
Rob
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Debugging Steps

2005-04-13 Thread Mark Sapiro
Robert Haack wrote:

>Just to give you an overview of the problem so this might make 
>more sense.  I had a user send a message to one of our lists list Friday 
>at 9:31 AM.  I never saw the message until this morning and the message 
>show the correct time the user sent the message but the Mailman log 
>shows that it went out yesterday at about 8:00 PM which is about the 
>time I rebooted my server.  So if I had some steps to help me figure out 
>where to look I'm sure I could figure out what is causing this problem.

First you need to look at the Received: headers in the message you
finally received. Thest will indicate in what step the delay occurred,
but won't necessarily pinpoint the problem.

If Mailman's log (post? smtp?) said it didn't go out until Sunday at
8:00 p.m. that would rule out the outgoing MTA as the source of delay.
It could have been delayed in delivery from the poster to your server,
in delivery from your incoming MTA to Mailman or in Mailman itself.
The MTA logs may have info regarding the first two steps. If the delay
was in Mailman, it's possible one or more qrunners stopped and the
reboot started them again. Check Mailman's qrunner log.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 13, 2005, at 23:08, Rob Shepherd wrote:
Jim Tittsler wrote:
On Apr 13, 2005, at 20:21, Rob Shepherd wrote:
However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation  
requests come through. they have different hashes and my mail log  
shows two different emails
(so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
Do you get two confirmation mails if you subscribe from the web  
interface?
(If it is only when trying to subscribe via email, I'd look for  
broken/superfluous aliases.)
OK then first off I apologise, I was sending "subscribe" to  
announce-request and not announce-join. Now it sends only with the  
correct address.
I think there is something else going on, because the -request address  
should work.  I'd suggest double checking your aliases.   
(~mailman/bin/genaliases can generate the proper list for you.)

However if I follow the link to confirm and then hit "cancel my  
subscription request"

I get a "we're sorry, we've hit a bug" page.
That is a known bug in Mailman 2.1.5.  A patch is available:
   

or you can upgrade to the Mailman 2.1.6beta version where it has  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] two subscription requests

2005-04-13 Thread Rob Shepherd
Jim Tittsler wrote:
On Apr 13, 2005, at 20:21, Rob Shepherd wrote:
However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation 
requests come through. they have different hashes and my mail log 
shows two different emails
(so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)

Do you get two confirmation mails if you subscribe from the web interface?
(If it is only when trying to subscribe via email, I'd look for 
broken/superfluous aliases.)

OK then first off I apologise, I was sending "subscribe" to announce-request and 
not announce-join. Now it sends only with the correct address.

However if I follow the link to confirm and then hit "cancel my subscription 
request"

I get a "we're sorry, we've hit a bug" page.
Who do I send this to? I don't want to post it verbatim here, because it 
contains my system information.

Can I send it to a Human?
Thanks
Rob
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[Mailman-Users] Migrating lists to new server...

2005-04-13 Thread Tony Bibbs
I'm trying to successfully migrate all lists and associated accounts 
over to a new server.  I copied everythign in the /lists and /data 
directories.  This seemed to produce the lists just fine but none of the 
addresses tied to each list came with them.  Thoughts?

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[Mailman-Users] two subscription requests

2005-04-13 Thread Rob Shepherd
I built and installed mailman stable 2.1.5
installed with postfix (I can't locate version, but it's recent)
list creation works and also with a virtual domain.
However, when I try and subscribe an address, two confirmation requests come 
through. they have different hashes and my mail log shows two different emails
(so it's definatly mailman doing something twice)
They are both confirmation requests for the same list and are identical apart 
from hash and message-id in the header

message-ids taken from mail log are as follows.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
followed 1 second later by
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Can any anybody work out what I broke or is broken.
Many thnaks
Rob
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Re: [Mailman-Users] membership list

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 12, 2005, at 23:21, Tom Williams wrote:
I want to print out the email addresses of our membership, but can't 
find an
easy way to do it.
If you have shell access on the server, running the 
~mailman/bin/list_members script (with the name of the list as the 
argument) is the best way.
  

An alternative is to script the web interface as suggested by the 
example at:
  

You might be able to mail the 'who' command to your 'listname'-request 
address, but depending on your subscriber configuration, this may not 
return the complete list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Export a list of subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:41 AM +0100 2005-04-13, Adam Cripps wrote:
 Does a script exist to pull all the subscribed email addresses out in a text
 file? I have some python knowledge and so could write a sciprt, if I'm
 pointed in the right direction.
Use $MAILMANHOME/bin/list_members list_name
	For all the predefined scripts for Mailman, see 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Your message to Mailman awaits moderator approval

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 13, 2005, at 05:07, Michael Lehman wrote:
But, when they try to post a message, they get "Your message to 
Mailman awaits moderator approval" because either it's a "Post by 
non-member to a members-only list" or "Message has implicit 
destination".
Have you configured your list to watch the envelope of the post rather 
than the From: header?  (By setting USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER or changing the 
value of SENDER_HEADERS in your mm_cfg.py?)

As for the second, are you sure the list name is in the To: or cc: 
headers of your posting?  (It sounds like a different problem.)  Or do 
you have broken alias files sending postings for one list to the wrong 
list?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] no outgoing mail with postfix

2005-04-13 Thread Jim Tittsler
On Apr 12, 2005, at 02:55, Tamara Yoggev wrote:
relay host, I can accept emails, but I can't seem to send any emails, 
but I get NO error in the log file. so I am totally clueless as to 
what the problem is.
Meaning there is no error in either your Postfix logs or your Mailman 
logs?

Did you try check the troubleshooting points suggested by the FAQ?
  
Everything seems fine! except the message doesn't get posted to all 
the list members!
Are the messages collecting in the Mailman qfiles/in (did you remember 
to start mailman?) or qfiles/shunt (check Mailman's error log again)?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Export a list of subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Sythos
On Wed, Apr 13, 2005 at 09:41:02AM +0100, Adam Cripps wrote:
> I'm increasingly being asked if I can produce lists of users for people who 
> are not list admins (this is a corporate setup). Whereabouts will I find the 
> email addresses in the directory structure? Will these be pickled in an 
> object or list? 
> Does a script exist to pull all the subscribed email addresses out in a text 
> file? I have some python knowledge and so could write a sciprt, if I'm 
> pointed in the right direction. 

list_list
obtain all mailinglist configured on machine

list_admin namelist
you get the admin of list named "namelist"
 
list_members namelist
you get raw list of all subscribed member (no distinction between normal
email, digest, suspended)

ergo

list_members namelist > myfile.members
solve your question ^_^

Regards
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[Mailman-Users] Export a list of subscribers

2005-04-13 Thread Adam Cripps
I'm increasingly being asked if I can produce lists of users for people who 
are not list admins (this is a corporate setup). Whereabouts will I find the 
email addresses in the directory structure? Will these be pickled in an 
object or list? 

Does a script exist to pull all the subscribed email addresses out in a text 
file? I have some python knowledge and so could write a sciprt, if I'm 
pointed in the right direction. 

Thanks
Adam

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RE: [Mailman-Users] membership list

2005-04-13 Thread Peter A. Solomon
List_Members [listname]

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Tom Williams
Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:22 AM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] membership list

I want to print out the email addresses of our membership, but can't find an
easy way to do it.

 

Can you help me?

 

My list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Tom Williams

Budget Direct Mail, Inc.

317-780-8236 Office

317-780-8246 Fax

317-752-3874 Cell phone

 

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[Mailman-Users] membership list

2005-04-13 Thread Tom Williams
I want to print out the email addresses of our membership, but can't find an
easy way to do it.

 

Can you help me?

 

My list is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 

Tom Williams

Budget Direct Mail, Inc.

317-780-8236 Office

317-780-8246 Fax

317-752-3874 Cell phone

 

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