Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

> >> Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I
think
> >> archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with
> >>
> >> ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
> >Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py.
> I
> >just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for it,
> >sorry, should grepped -i 'archive' in the tree.
> 
> 
> The Defaults.py setting is 2. If you want something different, it
> should be in mm_cfg.py.
> 
> You need to restart Mailman after making these changes for them to be
> effective.

Thanks, did that.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

> The text/plain attachment was allowed, but the message was too big. I
> trimmed the attachment leaving only a few relevant parts. See my
> comments inline and at the end.
I had a feeling it would be one or the other.

> 
> >[...]
> >drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users
> >drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-
> users.mbox
> 
> 
> And I think this is the list of interest.
Yes, that's the one.

> Here's what I see - most lists do not have even the default 'empty'
> index.html. For those few that do, the list's all seem to have been
> created on or after Jan 20. Thus, I think issue # 1 is there is some
> process that runs periodically (manually or via cron) that removes all
> files or all files older than x from the archives/private/ directory.
We have an automated (daily) process that generates class mailing lists,
I'm guessing on 1/20 a batch of them came through.

> 
> Issue #2 is once again an obvious thing to have checked, but I think
> archiving must be disabled in mm_cfg.py with
> 
> ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX = -1
Nothing set in mm_cfg.py for that but it is set to -1 in Defaults.py. I
just set it to 0, didn't even think about looking in there for it,
sorry, should grepped -i 'archive' in the tree.

Think I'm going to give up on this for them moment and use a Google
Group to archive the list. Thanks for all the help.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

There's a lot in there so I attached it. Not sure if this list allows
attachments but I'll try here anyways.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 10:04 AM
> To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archives
> 
> Young, Darren wrote:
> 
> >> What is the timestamp if you do "ls -ld" here?
> >
> >[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd
> >/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive
> >[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -ld
> >drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 20 16:04 .
> 
> 
> So your messages are reaching the archive queue (because it is being
> updated through Jan 20 16:04) and ArchRunner is processing the
> messages (because the queue is empty)
> 
> What does
> 
>   ls -lAR /usr/local/mailman/archives/
> 
> show?
> 
> 
> [...]
> >> One other thought. Is it possible that your test posts contain an
> >> X-No-Archive: header or an "X-Archive: No" header?
> >I don't believe so but I'll check the headers to be sure.
> 
> 
> Since it appears posts are reaching the archive queue, this wouldn't
be
> the issue.
> 
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> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

Excerpted by M Sapiro

/usr/local/mailman/archives/:
total 36
drwxrws--x 813 mailman mailman 32768 Jan 21 16:01 private
drwxrwsr-x   2 mailman mailman  4096 Jan 20 12:55 public

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private:
total 3256
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan  7 15:11 301_win2010
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Nov 24 10:01 301_win2010.mbox
[...]
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users
drwxrwsr-x 2 rootmailman  4096 Jan 20 12:26 perl-ad-manager-users.mbox
[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/301_win2010:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/301_win2010.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/career-wknd:
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 500 Jan 20 12:25 index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/career-wknd.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman:
total 8
drwxrwsr-x 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan  7 15:11 2009-June
drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan  7 15:11 database

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman/2009-June:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman/database:
total 0

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/mailman.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/perl-ad-manager-users:
total 4
-rw-rw-r-- 1 root mailman 531 Jan 20 12:26 index.html

/usr/local/mailman/archives/private/perl-ad-manager-users.mbox:
total 0

[...]

/usr/local/mailman/archives/public:
total 0
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

> What is the timestamp if you do "ls -ld" here?

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive
[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -ld
drwxrws--- 2 mailman mailman 4096 Jan 20 16:04 .

> I don't think any of this has anything to do with your archiving
> problem. To summarize,
> - for the list Archiving Options -> archive is set to Yes (have you
> verified this?)
Yes, it's there

> - a post or posts were sent to the list and delivered to the list
> members with archive set to Yes
Yep.

> - ArchRunner is running
Yep.

> - there's nothing in qfiles/archive
Nope.

> - there are no relevant errors in logs/error
Nope.

> I can't understand how all of the above can be true.
Me neither.

> 
> Are there other lists in this installation with archives? If so, does
> archiving work for them?
No, we've never had archiving at all on any, just starting to try it now

> 
> One other thought. Is it possible that your test posts contain an
> X-No-Archive: header or an "X-Archive: No" header?
I don't believe so but I'll check the headers to be sure.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

> Just picking up on something, did you enable archiving before a
> post has been  sent; i.e., has archiving been set before >1 message
> has been sent to the list?
> 
Yep, it was enabled first.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

Yea, ArchRunner is running:

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ps -eaf | grep -i arch
mailman   2090  2077  0 Jan20 ?00:00:00 /usr/bin/python
/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner --runner=ArchRunner:0:1 -s

/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive is empty:

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# pwd 
/usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive

[r...@bushlms01 archive]# ls -l
total 0

I'll put in to have Mailman brought up to 2.1.x during a maintenance
window. 2.1.13 appears to be the latest in the 2.1.x series, would that
be the one to go with now?

Any other thoughts? Python version issues with archiving?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 4:46 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org; Young, Darren
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives
> 
> Young, Darren wrote:
> 
> > Not much, close in all of them:
> 
> 
> As I said in another recent reply - "If I had a nickel for every time
I
> didn't realize the obvious ..." :)
> 
> Is ArchRunner running? What's in /usr/local/mailman/qfiles/archive?
> 
> 
> > The only one that sticks out but was earlier:
> >
> > Jan 20 12:47:42 2009 (9809) admin.py access for non-existent list:
> > daily-job-postings
> > Jan 20 12:47:50 2009 (9813) admin.py access for non-existent list:
> > daily-job-postings
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): Traceback (most recent call
> last):
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  main()
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  qrunner.run()
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._cleanup()
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in
> > _cleanup
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in
> > _cleanup
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._register_bounces()
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in
> > _register_bounces
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  mlist.registerBounce(addr,
> msg,
> > day=day)
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
> > "/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 131, in registerBounce
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y',
> day +
> > (0,)*6))
> > Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): ValueError :  day of year out of
> > range
> 
> This is an incompatibility between Mailman 2.1.5 and older and Python
> 2.4.x and newer. If you can't upgrade Mailman, the attached
> Bouncer.py.patch will fix it.
> 
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> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 270, in ?
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  main()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/bin/qrunner", line 230, in main
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  qrunner.run()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 87, in run
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._cleanup()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 220, in
_cleanup
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  BounceMixin._cleanup(self)
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 132, in
_cleanup
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  self._register_bounces()
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Queue/BounceRunner.py", line 120, in
_register_bounces
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  mlist.registerBounce(addr, msg,
day=day)
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):   File
"/usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Bouncer.py", line 131, in registerBounce
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726):  time.strftime('%d-%b-%Y', day +
(0,)*6))
Jan 20 12:34:52 2010 qrunner(7726): ValueError :  day of year out of
range
> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:14 PM
> To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Archives
> 
> Young, Darren wrote:
> 
> >The only thing in mailman/archive/private/perl-ad-manager-users is
the
> >index.html. Not much in the logs:
> >
> >[r...@bushlms01 logs]# grep perl-ad *
> 
> 
> This string won't appear in the error log entries.
> 
> What's in Mailman's error log with timestamps close to these post log
> entries?
> 
> >post:Jan 20 12:42:44 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
> >darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5878,
> >message-
> id=<07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
> >go.edu>, success
> >post:Jan 20 12:55:51 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
> >darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5892,
> >message-
> id=<07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
> >go.edu>, success
> >post:Jan 20 13:48:12 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
> >darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5938,
> >message-
> id=<07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
> >go.edu>, success
> 
> --
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> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

The only thing in mailman/archive/private/perl-ad-manager-users is the
index.html. Not much in the logs:

[r...@bushlms01 logs]# grep perl-ad *
post:Jan 20 12:42:44 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5878,
message-id=<07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu>, success
post:Jan 20 12:55:51 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5892,
message-id=<07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu>, success
post:Jan 20 13:48:12 2010 (2095) post to perl-ad-manager-users from
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu, size=5938,
message-id=<07a371d457b501478c1db3c3de8372d7055dd...@gsbhex2v.gsb.uchica
go.edu>, success
smtp:Jan 20 12:26:23 2010 (2095)
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.056 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 12:29:16 2010 (2095)
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.086 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 12:29:33 2010 (2095)
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.064 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 12:29:49 2010 (2095)
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.063 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 13:04:16 2010 (2095)
 smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.711 seconds
smtp:Jan 20 13:05:17 2010 (2095)

smtp for 1 recips, completed in 0.070 seconds
subscribe:Jan 20 12:27:37 2010 (15857) perl-ad-manager-users: new
"darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu" <>, admin mass sub
subscribe:Jan 20 12:29:15 2010 (15904) perl-ad-manager-users: deleted
darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu; member mgt page
subscribe:Jan 20 12:29:32 2010 (15909) perl-ad-manager-users: pending
Darren Young   128.135.211.176
subscribe:Jan 20 12:29:48 2010 (15915) perl-ad-manager-users: new
"darren.yo...@chicagobooth.edu" , via web confirmation
subscribe:Jan 20 13:04:14 2010 (21806) perl-ad-manager-users: pending
Dan   198.31.192.252
subscribe:Jan 20 13:05:15 2010 (2092) perl-ad-manager-users: new
"dcut...@intelimedix.com" , via email confirmation
subscribe:Jan 20 13:47:30 2010 (28202) perl-ad-manager-users: new
"perl-ad-manager-users+garchive-16...@googlegroups.com" <>, admin mass
sub


> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:m...@msapiro.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 1:57 PM
> To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Archives
> 
> Young, Darren wrote:
> 
> >I've enabled archives on a mailing list with the following:
> >archive = yes
> >archive_private = public
> >archive_volume_frequency = Monthly
> [...]
> >However, in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public there's no directories
> >and in the browser I get a URL not found error. I've posted a couple
> >messages to the list and they're being delivered to members so
> how/when
> >are the archives created?
> 
> 
> There are no archives in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public. The
> archives are in /usr/local/mailman/archives/private whether or not
> they are public. For a public archive, there is also a symlink from
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/list to
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.
> 
> The initial 'empty' archive (just the
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list/index.html file and the
> /usr/local/mailman/archives/private/list.mbox/ directory) is created
> when the list is created whether or not archiving is enabled.
> 
> There is probably some error in archiving resulting in log entries and
> shunted messages destined for the archive. What's in Mailman's error
> log?
> 
> --
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> San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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[Mailman-Users] Archives

[Young, Darren]

I've enabled archives on a mailing list with the following:
archive = yes
archive_private = public
archive_volume_frequency = Monthly

And the /pipermail/ URL points to /usr/local/mailman/archives/public
(httpd.conf stuff):

ScriptAlias /mailman/ "/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/"
Alias /pipermail/ /usr/local/mailman/archives/public/


AllowOverride All
Options Indexes 
Order allow,deny
Allow from all



Options FollowSymLinks


However, in /usr/local/mailman/archives/public there's no directories
and in the browser I get a URL not found error. I've posted a couple
messages to the list and they're being delivered to members so how/when
are the archives created?

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[Mailman-Users] Mailman backup script

[Young, Darren]

We've been using a config_list based shell script for the past several
years to backup all of our Mailman mailing lists. While I was in making
some changes today I thought I would post it, perhaps the community can
get some value out of it as well.

It is available at:
http://home.uchicago.edu/~youngd/mailman/dump_configs.txt


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[Mailman-Users] API Version Mismatch

[Young, Darren]

I'm calling config_list to take backups and get the following:

/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib/korean/c/euc_kr.py:24: RuntimeWarning:
Python C API version mismatch for module _koco: This Python has API
version 1012, module _koco has version 1011.

The dump appears to work correctly, is that error "safe" to ignore? I've
seen a couple other posts regarding this but have not been able to
locate any previous solutions.

Pertinent environmental information:

[r...@bushlms01 scripts]# cat /etc/redhat-release 
Red Hat Enterprise Linux Server release 5.4 (Tikanga)

[r...@bushlms01 scripts]# uname -a
Linux bushlms01 2.6.18-164.9.1.el5 #1 SMP Wed Dec 9 03:29:54 EST 2009
i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

[r...@bushlms01 scripts]# /usr/local/mailman/bin/version 
Using Mailman version: 2.1.5

[r...@bushlms01 scripts]# /usr/bin/python -V
Python 2.4.3

Thanks in advance,

Darren Young
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue with text to Mailman list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Hi Mark,

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Darren G Pifer wrote:
  
I asked our Exchange administrator to get the message headers.  Here is 
that information:



Thanks, but that by itself doesn't tell me much. It does tell me that
Mailman recast the message as multipart mixed, but I already knew
that. I need to see the MIME structure of the entire message including
all the sub-part headers, but even in the absence of that, focus on
the following:

  

I think I finally attached the raw message for you.  Hopefully you can glean
the information you need from it.

Is the non-working list the only one with a msg_header as well as a
msg_footer? If that is the case, try removing the msg_header
completely and see if that helps.

  
Did that.  This apparently resolved the issue as the admin owner is happy. 
However, I am not totally convinced that it is a mail client issue.  I 
am seeing 4 parts

in my Thunderbird mail client:

plain text (header)
plain text (body)
html (body)
plain text (footer)

Why would mailman be sending plain text and html attachments? When the
header is removed, my Thunderbird mail client shows the email message
as plain text and one attachment, the footer.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue with text to Mailman list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Darren G Pifer wrote:
  


What is the raw message with all headers?
   In Tbird, select the message and then File->Save As->File or just
ctrl-S, and give it a name with a .txt extension. Then you can attach
that .txt file to a list post.

  
  
I see that my attachments did not come across so I have attached the raw 
message

removing only some private information.  The owner forwarded to me a copy of
the email sent to the list.

I asked our Exchange administrator to get the message headers.  Here is 
that information:


Received: from malden.server1.odu.edu (128.82.96.118) by PARAKEET.ts.odu.edu

(192.168.96.22) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.1.311.2; Thu, 15 Jan 2009

11:50:12 -0500

Received: from malden.server1.odu.edu (localhost.localdomain 
[127.0.0.1]) by


malden.server1.odu.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n0FGo1O1020182

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2009 11:41:26 -0500

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Thanks, but the forwarded message doesn't help much. It appears to be a
forward from MS Outlook of the received message. What I would need to
see is the raw message. I don't know how to get that from Outlook. In
Outlook Express, you can right-click the message in the message list
pane and then select Properties->Details->Message Source and then
select and copy the entire message source and paste it into notepad,
but I have no idea if this would work in Outlook.

What I can see is the part that says "Womens_Center" looks like
msg_header so that both msg_header and msg_footer are added and the
result should look like

multipart/mixed
text/plain
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html
text/plain

It is possible that this is in fact the structure of the message and
Outlook thinks that the first text/plain part is the message body and
everything else is an attachment, in which case, it's realy an Outlook
issue, but that wouldn't explain why the other lists are OK unless
they don't have msg_header.
  

The other 2 lists do not have message headers.  The issue appears to 

Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue with text to Mailman list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Darren G Pifer wrote:

  
I have attached the files you requested, as sent to me by the list 
administrator.



It appears to me what is happening is the list server is sending the 
email with
3 attachments but displays as 4 parts:  there is the message header, the 
text
version of the email, then an HTML version of the email, followed by the 
message
footer. I see like a line separator between each part. (I use the 
Thunderbird mail
client).  This does not seem like normal behavior.  If anything, there 
should

be a minimum of 3 parts, not 4.

Let me know if there is any else you need from me.





The actual attachments didn't get to the list, but they are as Darren
describes.

It appears that the original message to the list is
multipart/alternative with test/plain and text/html alternative parts.
The three message parts in addition to the headers are the text/plain
part, the text/html part and the msg_footer.

Something is wrong with what is happening to this message. Normally, if
a message with structure

multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html

is sent to a list and content filtering doesn't remove eather
alternative or collapse alternatives, the msg_footer will be added as
a separate part and the final message will look like

multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain
text/html
text/plain

I.e. it will be converted to a multipart mixed message with two parts -
part 1 being the original message parts and part 2 being the footer.
In your case, it appears that the final message structure is

multipart/mixed
text/plain
text/html
text/plain

instead.

What Mailman version is this?

  

2.1.9


What are the list's content filtering settings?
  
Should Mailman filter the content of list traffic according to the 
settings below?  No
Remove message attachments that don't have a matching content type. 
Leave this field blank to skip this filter test.


multipart/mixed
multipart/alternative
text/plain

Should Mailman collapse multipart/alternative to its first part 
content?   Yes


Should Mailman convert text/html parts to plain text? This conversion 
happens after MIME attachments have been stripped.   Yes


Action to take when a message matches the content filtering rules.
Discard


The Content Filtering settings are the same across all 3 lists the admin 
owns but only this one is it working

incorrectly.

What is the raw message with all headers?
   In Tbird, select the message and then File->Save As->File or just
ctrl-S, and give it a name with a .txt extension. Then you can attach
that .txt file to a list post.

  
I see that my attachments did not come across so I have attached the raw 
message

removing only some private information.  The owner forwarded to me a copy of
the email sent to the list.

Regards, Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue with text to Mailman list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Here is her description of the issue.  She is sending
text to her listserve which is a moderated list.  She approves the
message but as a member of the list, the email is received with 3
attachments:  ATT1.c,  ATT2.htm, and ATT3.c.  The
administrator has 2 other lists and when she sends text, she receives
them as text.  She would like email sent as text to be received as text.

You could try deleting all list-specific headers and footers and re-creating 
them, this time making sure that you don't put in any non-ASCII characters. 
 Or maybe you've got ASCII characters in there, but there are non-ASCII 
characters in the submitted message, such as accented characters in 
someone's name or signature?


Other than that, I have no idea how this kind of thing would happen.
  

Re-creating the headers and footers did not resolve the issue.

The .htm extension on the middle "attachment" which I assume is the
message body indicates she is not sending a text/plain message but
rather a text/html message, and content filtering is not removing the
html part or converting it to plain text. The other "attachments" are
probably the msg_header and msg_footer as Brad suggests. The FAQ Brad
references is the relevant one. The difference between lists may be
that this is the only one that adds msg_header and msg_footer.

I may not have this exactly right, but the only way to know for sure is
to see a raw message from the list or at least the content of the
three "attachments"
  
I have attached the files you requested, as sent to me by the list 
administrator.
It appears to me what is happening is the list server is sending the 
email with
3 attachments but displays as 4 parts:  there is the message header, the 
text
version of the email, then an HTML version of the email, followed by the 
message
footer. I see like a line separator between each part. (I use the 
Thunderbird mail
client).  This does not seem like normal behavior.  If anything, there 
should

be a minimum of 3 parts, not 4.

Let me know if there is any else you need from me.

Regards, Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Issue with text to Mailman list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Mark Sapiro wrote:

Brad Knowles wrote:

  

One of our list serve administrators is experiencing an issue with one of
her listserves.
  


If it's a Listserv(r) list, why are you posting here :)

(Listserv(r) is a registered trademark[1] owned by the developer of a
particular email list management product, and it shouldn't be used
generically.)
  

Yea, it is incorrect to use listserve but it is common amongst our users so
I have assimilated to use the same terminology :(   It is a Mailman list.


Here is her description of the issue.  She is sending
text to her listserve which is a moderated list.  She approves the
message but as a member of the list, the email is received with 3
attachments:  ATT1.c,  ATT2.htm, and ATT3.c.  The
administrator has 2 other lists and when she sends text, she receives
them as text.  She would like email sent as text to be received as text.
  
The only time I've heard of anything like this is when there are different 
character sets being used in some of the headers or footers (sometimes space 
characters), thus causing the different parts of the message to be put in 
different MIME body parts (as described in FAQ 4.39 at 
<http://wiki.list.org/x/84A9>).


You could try deleting all list-specific headers and footers and re-creating 
them, this time making sure that you don't put in any non-ASCII characters. 
 Or maybe you've got ASCII characters in there, but there are non-ASCII 
characters in the submitted message, such as accented characters in 
someone's name or signature?


Other than that, I have no idea how this kind of thing would happen.



The .htm extension on the middle "attachment" which I assume is the
message body indicates she is not sending a text/plain message but
rather a text/html message, and content filtering is not removing the
html part or converting it to plain text. The other "attachments" are
probably the msg_header and msg_footer as Brad suggests. The FAQ Brad
references is the relevant one. The difference between lists may be
that this is the only one that adds msg_header and msg_footer.
  
As Brad wrote, I found some non-ascii characters in the introduction 
description
from the general options for the list so I removed them.  I asked the 
list admin to send
another message to the list.  BTW, I asked the admin to add me as a 
member so I can

see what is happening.

I may not have this exactly right, but the only way to know for sure is
to see a raw message from the list or at least the content of the
three "attachments"
  
If this does not resolve the issue, I will add the attachments in my 
next email to

the group.

Thanks, Darren
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[Mailman-Users] Issue with text to Mailman list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

One of our list serve administrators is experiencing an issue with one 
of her listserves.
Here is her description of the issue.  She is sending text to her 
listserve which is

a moderated list.  She approves the message but as a member of the list, the
email is received with 3 attachments:  ATT1.c,  ATT2.htm, and
ATT3.c.  The administrator has 2 other lists and when she sends text,
she receives them as text.  She would like email sent as text to be received
as text. I have checked the configuration settings from her 3 lists, and 
the
difference between the 3 is the one that is having this issue is the 
moderated.
I would not think this to be the cause of the issue.  At first, the 
issue was reported

to me that email was sent as html but was received as text so I suspected
the issue to be with the Content Filtering settings.  So, I checked all 
3 lists and

they are exactly the same.

Just to inform the group, I did check the FAQ archives but have not 
found the issue.

Also, we are using Mailman version 2.1.9.

Has anyone seen this and if so, what is the resolution?

Regards,
Darren
ODU


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

[Darren G Pifer]

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 13:01 -0400, Charles Marcus wrote:
> On 4/18/2008, Jonathan Dill ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > If you are using a separate e-mail relay, could also be firewall  
> > issue,
> 
> Is there by any chance a CISCO router in the mix anywhere?

There is a router between the 2 mail servers as they are on separate
networks but I believe the issue is with my sendmail configuration.  I
have implemented the rate control feature of sendmail and I started to
see messages like:

reject=421 4.3.2 Connection rate limit exceeded.

from the mail server. This would prevent Mailman from opening too many
connections to the local sendmail daemon causing the messages to end up
in retry, IMHO.  On occasion, I tried to restart sendmail and when the
script attempted to stop the local sendmail daemon it had shown it died
probably because of all of the connections it was receiving.  Anyhow,
that is my speculation.

I will be adding rules to sendmail's access list to unlimit the number
of sendmail connections from the machine.  Also, I am going to try to
move the list server again.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

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On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 08:55 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >
> >I am seeing these errors in the smtp-failure log:
> >
> >Apr 18 09:11:30 2008 (1231) Low level smtp error: (104, 'Connection
> >reset by peer'), msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >Apr 18 09:13:42 2008 (19445) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
> >-1: Connection unexpectedly closed
> >Apr 18 09:13:42 2008 (19445) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
> >-1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')
> >
> >I saw a lot of message in the retry directory.
> 
> 
> Your outgoing MTA (SMTP server) is rudely not accepting mail from
> Mailman. These messages will be queued (in retry/) and retried at 15
> minute intervals for five days before Mailman gives up on them.
> 
> If you can't figure out what's going on, there are some tips at
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.073.htp>
> and
> <http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.014.htp>.

I will check out the links for where it went wrong.

> Do you have SMTPHOST and/or SMTPPORT set in mm_cfg.py to some host/port
> that is not appropriate after the move?

Yes, I checked that and did change SMTPHOST before this issue occurred.

> Can Mailman successfully send notices to 1 recipient, or does this
> happen with all mail?

Most of the messages I found in the smtp log that were successfully
delivered were for 1 recipient but there were some cases where there
were several recipients. There were about the same number of failures
in the smtp-failure log.

I will check the links you sent me.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

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Hi, Mark,

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 08:16 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> 
> >Correct that, the messages are not getting delivered.  I have moved
> >Mailman back to the original machine.  I missed something during
> >the move.
> >
> >On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 08:43 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >> 
> >> This morning I moved Mailman from one machine to another and believe it
> >> is working yet I am seeing these errors in the post log:
> >> 
> >> Apr 18 08:37:43 2008 (7627) post to ssg from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2344,
> >> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 10 failures
> 
> 
> Mailman's smtp-failure log will tell you what the failures are.

I am seeing these errors in the smtp-failure log:

Apr 18 09:11:30 2008 (1231) Low level smtp error: (104, 'Connection
reset by peer'), msgid: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Apr 18 09:13:42 2008 (19445) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: Connection unexpectedly closed
Apr 18 09:13:42 2008 (19445) delivery to [EMAIL PROTECTED] failed with code
-1: (104, 'Connection reset by peer')

I saw a lot of message in the retry directory.

Darren

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

[Darren G Pifer]

Correct that, the messages are not getting delivered.  I have moved
Mailman back to the original machine.  I missed something during
the move.

Darren
ODU

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 08:43 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> This morning I moved Mailman from one machine to another and believe it
> is working yet I am seeing these errors in the post log:
> 
> Apr 18 08:37:43 2008 (7627) post to ssg from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2344,
> message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 10 failures
> 
> Is this cause for concern?  The messages are getting delivered.
> 
> Regards, Darren
> ODU
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman post log failures

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

This morning I moved Mailman from one machine to another and believe it
is working yet I am seeing these errors in the post log:

Apr 18 08:37:43 2008 (7627) post to ssg from [EMAIL PROTECTED], size=2344,
message-id=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 10 failures

Is this cause for concern?  The messages are getting delivered.

Regards, Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Need capability of link to archived messages

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On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 02:45 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote:
> Darren G Pifer writes:
> 
>  > The issue was no such much the moderator had to approve the message
>  > because of the size but the fact that the e-mail messages to the list
>  > are rather large.
> 
> This stripping would be almost trivial except that it's difficult to
> predict what the URL would be (archiving is done asynchronously).  If
> you can predict what the URL will be, then I believe it would be a few
> lines of Python to demote the body (ie, the log's text) to a MIME part
> before passing it to the archiver.  At that point you use the
> stripping function in the archiver.  Finally, after the archiver gets
> it, you remove that MIME part, too, and substitute the URL.
> 
> If logs are submitted to the system at reasonably long intervals, it
> should be possible to predict the URL with sufficient accuracy.

Unfortunately, the logs are sent once a hour. The frequency of this is
so the operators can review the log for certain information so they can
act on it.  We may be able change this to 2 hours but I need to check
with the head of operations.  The operators also get a printout of the
log, too, so maybe the frequency can be changed for e-mail only.

> I gather you're not in a hurry, maybe I can take a hack at this over
> the weekend.  It would be helpful to know the pattern with which logs
> are generated at your site.

I don't have time myself to work something up so I am dependent on
others for this.  If you can do this, this will help us out greatly and
I suppose others who could use this functionality.

Thanks, Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Need capability of link to archived messages

[Darren G Pifer]

Hi Mark,

On Wed, 2008-04-16 at 17:46 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >
> >The owner of the list wanted to know, as I do, is it
> >possible to get the e-mail of the message but the message contain an
> >embedded URL to the stored archive instead an e-mail message with the
> >log?
> 
> 
> This is not possible in current Mailman.
> 
> In Mailman 3, now in alpha exposure, I think there will be the ability
> to include a link to the archived message in the delivered message
> itself (some sort of X-Archived-At header), but the delivered message
> will still contain the full original.
> 
> If the only issue is that some messages are held because they are too
> big, why not just raise the limit. The setting is "Maximum length in
> kilobytes (KB) of a message body. Use 0 for no limit." on General
> Options.

The issue was no such much the moderator had to approve the message
because of the size but the fact that the e-mail messages to the list
are rather large.  It took about 10 munites to get my Evolution client
to read the entire message.  Mailman is probably not the software we not
to use for this kind of function, that is, storing backup logs, but it
is convenient.  

Anyhow, if Mailman 3 will include this kind of functionality, then we
will wait for its release.

Thanks, Darren
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[Mailman-Users] Need capability of link to archived messages

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

We have a list that we use for keeping backup logs and sometimes these
logs get rather large.  The list is moderated and sometimes the size of
the message goes beyond the "Maximum length in KB of message body" which
requires approval. The owner of the list wanted to know, as I do, is it
possible to get the e-mail of the message but the message contain an
embedded URL to the stored archive instead an e-mail message with the
log?  I am not sure but it sounds to me like some sort of webmail app to
me is needed.  Is this capability in Mailman or has someone modified
Mailman to include this sort of functionality?

FYI, we are using Mailman version 2.1.9.  I see that Mailman v2.1.10RC
is out now, not that it matters.

Darren
Old Dominion University
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman issues during migration (test to production)

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

I am having an issue where I am migrating lists/archives/data from one
machine to another machine.  The machine I am migrating from is a Red
Hat Enterprise Linux 3 machine running mailman 2.1.6b4.  Mailman was
built from source code.  The machine I am migrating to is a Red Hat
Linux 5 machine running mailman 2.1.9.  I am using the mailman version
from the RHEL 5 DVDs.  I set up a test list server on the machine (where
eventually would become the production list server) and added a DNS A
record for test.list.odu.edu for the machine it is running on.  I used
the following document (even though it was for Debian it appears to work
for other flavors of Linux) for my information for migrating the
lists/archives/data: 

http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/567

I was successful in testing mailman on the machine. One change I needed
to make was the URL (because the lists contained list.odu.edu), so I
ran:

./withlist -l -r fix_url LIST_NAME -u test.list.odu.edu

to update the URL for each list. 

On Sunday, I attempted to change the test list server to a production
list server, so prior to migrating the lists/archives/data, I removed
all files those directories.  Also, prior to starting mailman and
sendmail, I made changes to mm_cfg.py (when I set up the test listserve)
from:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'test.list.odu.edu'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = '.test.list.odu.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'test.list.odu.edu'
DEFAULT_URL   = 'http://test.list.odu.edu/'

to:

DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'list.odu.edu'
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'list.odu.edu'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'list.odu.edu'
DEFAULT_URL   = 'http://list.odu.edu/'

I also made sure the sendmail.cf file on the new machine had:

C{mailman} list.odu.edu

When I started sendmail and mailman, I started to see a lot of messages
in /var/spool/mqueue. The sendmail (qf) queue files had these lines:

...
H??MIME-Version: 1.0
H??Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
H??Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
H??Subject: test.list.odu.edu mailing list memberships reminder
H??From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H??To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H??X-No-Archive: yes
H??Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
H??Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2008 05:00:28 -0500
H??Precedence: bulk
H??X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H??X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9
H??List-Id: Mailman site list 
...

So, it appears that mailman was trying to send out password reminders
even though it should not have run.  The system is configured to execute
the monthly password reminders only on the first on the month.  Since
the day of the install was Sunday, Feb. 3rd, it should not have run.
Also, to make it more interesting, there are references to "Subject:
test.list.odu.edu mailing list memberships reminder" when there should
not have been.  I searched the entire file system for test.list.odu.edu
but could not find where it was configured.  I even ran `strings' on the
binaries but could not find it.  

My questions are:

1) Why did mailman send out the password reminders, when they shouldn't
have?  As a FYI, I did not add a mailman crontab as the mailman crontab
on Red Hat runs out of /etc/cron.d.

2) Why did the messages contain any reference to test.list.odu.edu?
Where could this information be define?

You answers are appreciated.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] User unknown messages

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

   Thanks for all the help but I got resolution from our spam
filter vendor Roaring Penguin. Apparently, the issue was a side effect
of the interaction of the Mailman and CanIt-PRO, the spam filter
software we have implemented on our mail machines. It seems that if
there was one address in the list that was bad it would cause the whole
message to be rejected. Their recommendation changes cause Mailman to
submit mail through the mail server's address rather than from
localhost. Since the mail no longer appears to be coming from
'localhost', CanIt-PRO will do address validation at RCPT time rather
than waiting until after the DATA phase. Before the change, canit would
reject the message if there was one bad recipient, now it will rejects
only the bad recipients.

On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 10:52 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> 
> These log entries indicate that in both cases the outgoing message was
> accepted for delivery by the outgoing MTA. Whatever the issue is that
> is preventing delivery of the 32, it is not detected until later in
> the process when the MTA attempts to deliver to the 32 recipients.
> 
> Is there any difference in the form of the actual member addresses
> between the two lists?

Here are the recommended changes from the vendor:

1) In /etc/mail/access, add this line:

Connect:mailserver1.odu.edu RELAY

2) Rebuild the access DB:  make -C /etc/mail

3) Edit Mailman's "Defaults.py" file.

Make sure the following two settings are set as follows:

DELIVERY_MODULE = 'SMTPDirect'
SMTPHOST = 'mailserver1.odu.edu'

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] User unknown messages

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 09:25 -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >
> >  One of our list serve admins is trying to send out a bunch of
> >email to several list serves. He has defined a group in Lotus Notes,
> >which comprises the different list serves, and when he sends mail to
> >the group, the mail is not being delivered. The mail logs show that
> >mail is coming from the list serve but is not being delivered because
> >of 'user unknown' messages. We use LDAP, specifically OpenLDAP on a
> >Linux, for our user lookups. The directory is working properly.
> >Here are a few of the 'user unknown' messages:
> 
> I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying there is a group in Lotus
> Notes which consists of the addresses of some Mailman lists and mail
> to that group is sent to the Mailman lists and resent by Mailman to
> the list members and is ultimately not delivered because the outgoing
> MTA says 'user unknown'?

That is correct. According to the sender, this used to work but does
not now. No changes have been made to the list (AFAIK) and none to
the mailman software.

> What happens when a post is sent directly to one of these lists, not
> via the Lotus Notes group?

I asked the user to send mail from Lotus Notes to the listserve and it
does the same thing. Just to you know, the sender has several list
serves he is mailing to. In one case, the mail was delivered (to 19
members), the other was not delivered (to 32 members). I am checking
the configuration of both list serves and conparing them. I will let
you know what I find out.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] User unknown messages

[Darren G Pifer]

I want to include some more information that may help try to figure
this out. Mail was sent to one list serve with 19 members, another
list serve that had 32 members was not delivered. BTW, the person
sending the mail is not the list owner that I originally reported but is
a list member. This user does not have the moderate flag set on either
list in membership management. Also, if it matters we are using MM
2.1.6b4.

Darren

On Fri, 2006-01-06 at 10:52 -0500, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>   One of our list serve admins is trying to send out a bunch of
> email to several list serves. He has defined a group in Lotus Notes,
> which comprises the different list serves, and when he sends mail to
> the group, the mail is not being delivered. The mail logs show that
> mail is coming from the list serve but is not being delivered because
> of 'user unknown' messages. We use LDAP, specifically OpenLDAP on a
> Linux, for our user lookups. The directory is working properly.
> Here are a few of the 'user unknown' messages:
> 
> Jan  6 10:36:07 sendmail[31936]: 
> Jan  6 10:36:07 sendmail[31936]: k06Fa6Cl031936: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> delay=00:00:01, pri=989527, stat=User unknown
> [bunches of other addresses come out the same]
> 
> Even though LDAP knows about the user:
> 
> [dpifer syslog]$ sendmail -bv [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Terry/OCCS/AF/[EMAIL PROTECTED] deliverable: mailer esmtp, host
> notes.odu.edu., user Terry/OCCS/AF/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> I can deliver mail to this user okay but the problem is when the
> mail comes through mailman. I am not seeing anything in the
> mailman or sendmail logs to see any other failures.
> 
> Has any one seen this? Are we reaching some threshold causing
> this problem? We need to get this mail out today for our list
> serve admin.
> 
> Darren
> ODU
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[Mailman-Users] User unknown messages

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  One of our list serve admins is trying to send out a bunch of
email to several list serves. He has defined a group in Lotus Notes,
which comprises the different list serves, and when he sends mail to
the group, the mail is not being delivered. The mail logs show that
mail is coming from the list serve but is not being delivered because
of 'user unknown' messages. We use LDAP, specifically OpenLDAP on a
Linux, for our user lookups. The directory is working properly.
Here are a few of the 'user unknown' messages:

Jan  6 10:36:07 sendmail[31936]: 
Jan  6 10:36:07 sendmail[31936]: k06Fa6Cl031936: to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
delay=00:00:01, pri=989527, stat=User unknown
[bunches of other addresses come out the same]

Even though LDAP knows about the user:

[dpifer syslog]$ sendmail -bv [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Terry/OCCS/AF/[EMAIL PROTECTED] deliverable: mailer esmtp, host
notes.odu.edu., user Terry/OCCS/AF/[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I can deliver mail to this user okay but the problem is when the
mail comes through mailman. I am not seeing anything in the
mailman or sendmail logs to see any other failures.

Has any one seen this? Are we reaching some threshold causing
this problem? We need to get this mail out today for our list
serve admin.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman is on the web server, mail is going to the mail server. How do I connect them?

[Young, Darren]

> Mail is delivered to mail.tblc.org.  Mailman is running on 
> lists.tblc.org.
> How can I get Mailman to get the mail sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I mx our mailman server to lists.chicagogsb.edu and it works fine. Our
previous domain, gsb.uchicago.edu has an mx that points to an iplanet
mail server. To support @gsb.uchicago.edu that points to
@lists.chicagogsb.edu, I add a mail distribution alias on the
gsb.uchicago.edu system for each mailman list address (owner, request,
subscribe, etc). The mail aliases on iplanet are basically 'forwards'
that receive inbound on a name then forward on to the other address.
I've modified all of our list creation scripts to add the necessary
entries in our LDAP servers for this to happen. Adds another hop and
dependency to the list processing, but it works and provides backwards
name space support.

> 
> Mail.tblc.org is currently running Postfix, but will 
> eventually become an
> Exchange server.  (I know, I know.)

Asking for trouble eh?

> 
> Is fetchmail a viable solution?  If you've got a similar 
> setup (Mailman not
> running on the MX), how do you handle it?

Why not mx the mailman instance?
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Re: [Mailman-Users] All my lists are unadvertised, even after fix_url

[Young, Darren]

I use this as a withlist script to set those.

def set_url(m):
m.web_page_url = "http://lists.chicagogsb.edu/mailman";
m.Save()
m.Unlock()
 
> 
> Weirder yet, http://www.tblc.org/mailman/listinfo shows all 
> my lists, but
> http://lists.tblc.org/mailman/listinfo doesn't -- even though 
> www and lists
> have the same IP address.
> 
> I think this is related to FAQ 4.17, but I don't see a 
> web_page_url setting
> on the General Options page of the list's administrative interface.
> 
> Ben
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notifications

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

   This one is a little bit old but I thought I would add to
this thread anyhow. It appears that the problem with the "uncaught
bounce notifications" was with the mail client the user had been using.
The mail client that had this issue is named "Compoze" and is available
through our Web portal. When the user hit the "reply" button in Compoze,
the To: field was  [EMAIL PROTECTED] address. 

   As a test case, I sent some mail to a test list serve I created
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" that had 2 email addresses (my own and a
colleague) subscribed to it. I gathered results from 3 mailers: Lotus
Notes (which is the school's supported mail client), Compoze and
Evolution (my mail client) and what was returned when I clicked on the
"Reply" button and on the "Reply to all" button for each mail clients
after receiving mail. It is surprising how 3 mail clients came up with
different results by clicking on these buttons.

Lotus Notes

=> Reply
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

=> Reply to all
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Compoze

=> Reply
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

=> Reply to all
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 
Evolution   

  
=> Reply
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

=> Reply to all
   To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I am going to work with our Web portal people to see why compoze is
working the way it is and see if this is resolvable.

-Darren

Old Dominion University
Norfolk, VA

On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 13:53, Mark Sapiro wrote: 
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >
> >Uncaught bounce notification 
> >
> >The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
> >format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
> >from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all
> >unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).
> >
> >> = Original Message =
> >> Date: Nov 25, 2005 12:30 PM
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> Cc:
> >> Subject: Re: [LIST] We need new officers for the spring semester!
> >>
> Although some of the header info is garbled, possibly by a copy and
> paste operation, this is clearly a copy of an "Uncaught bounce
> notification". The original "bounce" appears to be a post erroneously
> sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> My question now, is are we sure there isn't some miscommunication
> between you, the list owner and the original user? Do we even really
> know that the original user (or anyone other than the list owner)
> actually received this specific message?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] downloading my entire members list

[Young, Darren]

>From the command line you can use bin/list_members 

> -Original Message-
> From: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> on.org] On Behalf Of Your Name
> Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 4:29 PM
> To: mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: [Mailman-Users] downloading my entire members list
> 
> Can someone tell me how to download my entire members list?  I read 
> the FAQ 's and found nothing useful.  Of course, I may have missed it 
> as well but I am confident that the mailman experts here will be able 
> to point me in the right direction.  :)
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> W. Hill
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[Mailman-Users] Command line add admin?

[Young, Darren]

Is there any way to add list admins from the command line?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Problem installing on Solaris 8

[Young, Darren]

> I'm trying to install Mailman 2.1.6 on a Solaris 8 machine.  
> There seems to be a rather strange error and I'm not sure if 
> it's a misconfiguration of my machine or a problem with Mailman.
> 
> I had no problem with 'configure' or with 'make'.  I *did* 
> use gcc -- there is a "cc" binary on the system, but the Sun 
> compiler is *not* present, and this was no problem during the 
> compile phase.
> 
> However, when I got to 'make install' it seems there is a 
> problem.  The install process seems to want to call "cc", 
> even though it was not specified or used in either 
> 'configure' or 'make'.
> 
> Here is the error I get:
> 
> 8<---start--
> (cd ./$p ; umask 02 ; PYTHONPATH=/usr/local/mailman/pythonlib
> /opt/csw/bin/python setup.py --quiet install --install-lib 
> /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib  --install-purelib 
> /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib  --install-data 
> /usr/local/mailman/pythonlib); \ done
> /opt/csw/lib/python2.3/distutils/dist.py:213: UserWarning: 'licence'
> distribution option is deprecated; use 'license'
>   warnings.warn(msg)
> /usr/ucb/cc:  language optional software package not installed
> error: command 'cc' failed with exit status 1
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `install-packages'
> Current working directory /export/home/users/steve/mailman-2.1.6/misc
> *** Error code 1
> make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `doinstall'
> 8 
> The error message from "cc" is the message that you get 
> because the Sun compiler is not installed.  But why is it 
> being called?  I've tried taking /usr/ucb out of the path so 
> that there is no "cc" binary available, but then I get the 
> error that there is no "cc".
> 
> OK, here's a workaround, but it's ugly.  I put a symlink 
> pointing cc to gcc and then made sure /usr/ucb was not in the 
> path.  I got some warnings:
> 
> cc1: warning: "-Wno-deprecated" is valid for C++ but not C/ObjC
> 
> but the install finished.  It really sounds like there is 
> something in the Mailman install procedure that has "cc" hard coded.
> 

Try export CC='gcc' or CC='/path/to/gcc' then clean and re-run configure

Or clean and run configure CC='/path/to/gcc'

Or even both.

Watch out for ar as well, I've had that do the same thing on Solaris 8. 

I usually add CC='/opt/sfw/bin/gcc' and AR='/opt/sfw/bin/gcc' to all my
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Blocking a list on the server

[Young, Darren]

>
>   is there a way to block a list on the server being Server
>   Administrator, not list owner? Maybe there is a switch to
>   block/unblock list from functioning, which overrides list owners
>   rights?
>

Some options could be:

1) remove the list.

2) set the list to emergency moderate (and optionally discard/hold the
postings).

3) If you want it to work but the owner to not have access, change the
passwords. If you use #2, you'll probably want to do this as well since
the owner can just turn traffic back on.

Do you want the list to actually accept incoming messages (and hold
them) or have the system bounce them back? Could set all non-member
postings to be rejected along with a rejection message.

Remove the list aliases (/etc/aliases I'm assuming) which would cause
the inbound messages to hard bounce back to the sender.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List create CGI

[Young, Darren]

> If I understand you correctly, they already are there.
> 
>  (linked from the 
>  overview page) and 
> .

Getting a 'Bad URL Specification' when accessing /mailman/rmlist. Do I
have to set the option then access it directly from the admin pages?
 
> create requires either the site password or a special list 
> creator password set with bin/mmsitepass.

Site password will work, they already use that. Thanks,

> 
> rmlist requires "OWNERS_CAN_DELETE_THEIR_OWN_LISTS = Yes" in 
> mm_cfg.py which will then place a list deletion link on the 
> list's various admin pages. If you don't want owners to be 
> able to do it, you could hack the Mailman/Cgi/rmlist.py 
> script to require a password instead or in addition, or just 
> create your own CGI based on that script.
> 

Rather not give them that access, I'll take a look at rmlist.py
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[Mailman-Users] List create CGI

[Young, Darren]

Looking to farm out our Mailman list management (add & remove) to our
helpdesk. Anyone seen/have a CGI based Mailman list creation/removal
tool?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] nodupes flag

[Young, Darren]

> 
> It doesn't. That's not at all what it does.
>

Good thing I asked :-) What, 'rm -fr /' doesn't log me out?

>
> All nodups does, is when figuring the recipients for a post (not a
> digest), if a particular member's address is found in To: or Cc:
> headers of the post and that member has nodups set for the list, that
> member will not be sent a copy of this post. This is all explained
> under "Avoid duplicate copies of messages?" on the user options page.
>

My bad, didn't look there. I was reading the description on the
membership management page which is a bit brief. As the 'box admin' and
'list admin' I really don't visit the user option pages all that much.
Not an excuse though.

> 
> In other words, If you have nodups set on your 
> mailman-users@python.org
> subscription, you will only receive this post directly from me and not
> from the list since your address is in To:.
>

Makes complete sense, was thinking of 'nodupes' from a different point
of view, more of an 'equivalent address' (a=b) kind of thing. Just
looked at my personal options for this list and see that the 'Avoid
duplicate copies of messages?' option is indeed set to 'Yes'. That
explains why the message you sent me (that was cc'd to the list) came to
my inbox only once.

> 
> You can set the old_domain subscription mail delivery to 'disabled'
> (nomail in the admin membership page). Then members in both domains
> will be able to post from either, but will only receive at new_domain
> 

A scriptlet that withlist could call to set these? I've set and/or
enforced list level options (privacy, bounce processing, archival) with
those many times over, is it possible to act on an individual list
membership in the same manner? I'm really not much of a Python coder
(Perl is fine) so if I can avoid writing Python directly I do. In fact,
I'm so bad at Python that I wrote .pm's as wrappers around the supplied
command line utilities to do all my admin tasks.

I want to mention this as well to you personally. I haven't had the need
to post to this list in many months, however, almost every time I have a
question (95+%) you have had an answer. Kudo's and thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] nodupes flag

[Young, Darren]

What / how exactly does the 'nodupes' flag do? That page says it 'tries'
to filter out duplicate messages to users, how does it determine that 2
addresses are in fact the same person? And on that, if I have 1 member
on a list with 2 addresses (same person), say [EMAIL PROTECTED] and
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and the nodupes flag is on for one or both of
them, will Mailman in fact not duplicate the message to those 2 member
address?

Reason is, we're in the middle of converting from one domain name to a
new one and would like to leave the old address as well as the new
address in every list for a period of time. Then, after this time
passes, remove the old member address. However, I don't want people to
start receiving duplicate messages and was wondering how exactly this
flag works.

I'm currently planning to migrate people to the new domain via a
clone_member command for every member of every list. Have a script dumps
out the current membership for a list and if the domain portion is the
old one it does a clone from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] I added
the -r flag to the clone_member command to remove the old address but
have been asked to see if we can maintain the multiple memberships
without people receiving dupes.

Any feedback would be great. Thanks.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notifications

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

On Thu, 2005-12-01 at 12:25, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:

> 
> What is the sender (original poster) receiving, and why do you think it
> is coming from your sendmail and not, for example, the bouncing
> recipient's MTA?

Here is the message, as forwarded to me by the list owner on behalf of
the sender. I have changed the listname with LIST. This could be the
case where the sender was using a MS Outlook client, as pointed out by
the FAQ. If more information is needed, I will have to get the sender to
provide the full headers of the message.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  ist.odu.edu 
   
To 
  11/27/2005 11:30 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  PM cc 

  Subject 
   
Uncaught bounce notification 

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it. This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see: http://list.odu.edu/admin/LIST/bounce

- Message from ... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Sun, 27 Nov 2005
23:30:28 -0500 -
  
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Subject: Re: [LIST] We need new officers for the spring semester! 


[BODY REMOVED]

Thanks,

> = Original Message =
> Date: Nov 25, 2005 12:30 PM
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: [LIST] We need new officers for the spring semester!
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[Mailman-Users] Uncaught bounce notifications

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

 I have seen on this mailing list a few posts on the thread of
"Uncaught bounce notifications" but have not found the answer I need.
One of our user's received one of these notifications and the list owner
wants to know why the user received it. She believed that if 
"Should Mailman send you, the list owner, any bounce messages that
failed to be detected by the bounce processor?" is set to Yes in the
Bounce Processing Section, the list owner should only get the bounces
and not the sender. If my understanding is correct, and please tell me
if I am wrong, sendmail (our MTA) will send a bounce notification to the
sender regardless of this mailman setting?

 Also, is there a way to avoid user's replying to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] We would, of course, prefer that
subscribers to reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but the bounce address is
the one that mailman uses when sending the mail out.

Darren
Old Dominion University

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Re: [Mailman-Users] SPAM Control

[Darren G Pifer]

On Fri, 2005-11-04 at 11:27, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> All -
> 
> Although Mailman does a great job blocking SPAM from my users, the daily
> task of purging all defered e-mails (SPAM 99.9% of the time) is growing
> weary.
> 
> I'm an AMD-64 Gentoo Linux, Postfix, Mailman server - does anyone have any
> suggestions for a system wide anti-spam tool that integrates well?

We, at Old Dominion University, use CanItPRO software from Roaring
Penguin (www.roaringpenguin.com). They have a freeware version, CanIt,
but the university bought the full blown version of the software and
support for about $40k for 3 years. We run Red Hat Enterprise Linux,
sendmail, mailman and CanItPRO on 3 clustered mail machines with a
Solaris machine running a PostgreSQL database. We have used the product
since March this year and are pleased with it. We are still trying to
get max use out of the product. They are a small company but have been
around for awhile. For instance, the guy who wrote MIMEDefang is
president of the company and have maybe 10 people in the company.

You may find other products that do well but cost more as well. You may
want to contact them if you are interested.

Darren

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[Mailman-Users] Trimming archives

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

   In reviewing posts to this mailing list, I found that it is not
possible to prune the archives. However, we will need to do something
shortly because the filesystem that we have mailman on is now 84% full,
mostly due to the growing archives. We are using LVM under Linux and I
can increase the space but I would like to see if we can compress any
older files in the archive directory first. For instance, we have one
mbox, ./archives/private/opr.mbox/opr.mbox that is 700MB is growing
everyday. It is our operators list. Can I gzip it and create a new
opr.mbox by touching it? Also, there are some text files
./archives/private/opr/2005-October.txt that is 500+ MB. Can .txt files
compressed and still useable by the system? Is anybody doing anything to
archive older, unused mailman archives to tape? We use Tivoli (TSM) here
and wanted to know if anybody has something automated for this.

Darren
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[Mailman-Users] Problem with unsubscribe to list

[Darren G Pifer]

We have been having problems with people unsubscribing messages to one
of our lists. People on the list have been sending mail to the list, ie.
[EMAIL PROTECTED], instead of [EMAIL PROTECTED] The
administrator of the list has been getting these unsubscribes also but
the list was configured this way. 

Here are some of the headers from the queue file.

H??Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
H??Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 13:10:02 -0500
H??From: Joe User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
H??User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US;
rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20040910
H??X-Accept-Language: en-us, en
H??MIME-Version: 1.0
H??To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H??Subject: Removal from list
H??X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.82.224.114
H??X-Scanned-By: CanIt (www . roaringpenguin . com) on 128.82.224.114
H??X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 14:34:02 -0400
H??X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H??X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6b4
H??Precedence: list
H??Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
H??List-Id: Newsletter 
H??List-Unsubscribe: <http://list.odu.edu/listinfo/fubar>,
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
H??List-Archive: <http://list.odu.edu/list-archives/fubar>
H??List-Post: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
H??List-Help: <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
H??List-Subscribe: <http://list.odu.edu/listinfo/fubar>,
<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

What might be causing this is that the list owner's email address is
[EMAIL PROTECTED], a mail alias (changed to protect the innocent) instead
of the administrator's own email address. This list is the only one of
the hundreds we have that is causing this problem.

Has anyone come across this? This is causing a lot of heartburn
especially with the list administrator, who is getting a lot of
complaints and getting the unsubscribes as well, but that is expected.

Darren


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Re: [Mailman-Users] List archive failures

[Darren G Pifer]

Thanks Mark. That did it. In mm_cfg.py, PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL was set to
'/list-archives'. I changed it to:

PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/list-archives/%(listname)s'
since we do not use pipermail. We may do so in the future.

Darren
ODU

On Thu, 2005-10-13 at 19:42, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >
> >  I wrote this one off too soon. This problem still exists
> >even though I thought it was fixed. While looking at a list serve using
> >a browser, the link shows:
> >
> >http://list.odu.edu/listarchives
> >
> >when I would expect something like:
> >
> >http://list.odu.edu/listarchives/listname
> 
> Look at your setting for PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL in mm_cfg.py. The default
> in Defaults.py is
> 
> PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 
> 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s''http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s'
> 
> You have clearly changed at least the 'pipermail' part of this. Did you
> somehow mess up the '%(listname)s' in the process?
> 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List archive failures

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  I wrote this one off too soon. This problem still exists
even though I thought it was fixed. While looking at a list serve using
a browser, the link shows:

http://list.odu.edu/listarchives

when I would expect something like:

http://list.odu.edu/listarchives/listname

Anyone come across this one?

Darren
Old Dominion University

On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:28, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I found out what the problem was; the web server's directory
> root did not have the "Indexes" option. I set this and everything
> is now fine.
> 
> Darren
> 
> On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:19, Rae wrote:
> > Make sure that the user is listed in the server group for mailman. 
> > Something like this:
> > 
> > mailman:*:1000:LOGIN,www,USER
> > 
> > If you don't have access to the group file, you will need to talk to 
> > your webhost.
> > 
> > Also check that your archives directory has the mailman:mailman 
> > permissions ownership set.
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > Rae
> > 
> > At 10:55 AM 10/12/2005, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > >We had a list admin who complained that he does not have permission
> > >to view his list serve's archive. I logged as the mailman user and
> > >clicked on "Go to list archive" and got the same message he was seeing.
> > >
> > >Here it is:
> > >
> > >Forbidden
> > >You don't have permission to access /list-archives/ on this server.
> > >
> > >
> > >Apache Server at list.odu.edu Port 80
> > >
> > >
> > >I checked the mailman's directory root and there is a symbolic
> > >link:
> > >
> > >lrwxrwxrwx1 root staff 27 Feb 17  2005 list-archives ->
> > >../mailman/archives/public/
> > >
> > >I ran the command:
> > >ls -l ../mailman/archives/public/
> > >
> > >which listed symbolic links for all of the list serves, such as:
> > >
> > >/usr1/mailman/mailman/archives/private/[list]
> > >
> > >where [list] is an example of one of the name of the lists.
> > >
> > >I ran the script 'list-admins [list]' and it produced the
> > >list owner as I would expect.
> > >
> > >FYI, we are running mailman 2.1.6b4 on RHEL 3.0 Update Linux.
> > >
> > >Any help in fixing this would be appreciated.
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> > >Darren
> > >Old Dominion University
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Re: [Mailman-Users] List archive failures

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

I found out what the problem was; the web server's directory
root did not have the "Indexes" option. I set this and everything
is now fine.

Darren

On Wed, 2005-10-12 at 12:19, Rae wrote:
> Make sure that the user is listed in the server group for mailman. 
> Something like this:
> 
> mailman:*:1000:LOGIN,www,USER
> 
> If you don't have access to the group file, you will need to talk to 
> your webhost.
> 
> Also check that your archives directory has the mailman:mailman 
> permissions ownership set.
> 
> Best wishes,
> Rae
> 
> At 10:55 AM 10/12/2005, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >We had a list admin who complained that he does not have permission
> >to view his list serve's archive. I logged as the mailman user and
> >clicked on "Go to list archive" and got the same message he was seeing.
> >
> >Here it is:
> >
> >Forbidden
> >You don't have permission to access /list-archives/ on this server.
> >
> >
> >Apache Server at list.odu.edu Port 80
> >
> >
> >I checked the mailman's directory root and there is a symbolic
> >link:
> >
> >lrwxrwxrwx1 root staff 27 Feb 17  2005 list-archives ->
> >../mailman/archives/public/
> >
> >I ran the command:
> >ls -l ../mailman/archives/public/
> >
> >which listed symbolic links for all of the list serves, such as:
> >
> >/usr1/mailman/mailman/archives/private/[list]
> >
> >where [list] is an example of one of the name of the lists.
> >
> >I ran the script 'list-admins [list]' and it produced the
> >list owner as I would expect.
> >
> >FYI, we are running mailman 2.1.6b4 on RHEL 3.0 Update Linux.
> >
> >Any help in fixing this would be appreciated.
> >
> >Darren
> >Old Dominion University
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Mailman-Users] List archive failures

[Darren G Pifer]

We had a list admin who complained that he does not have permission
to view his list serve's archive. I logged as the mailman user and
clicked on "Go to list archive" and got the same message he was seeing.

Here it is:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access /list-archives/ on this server.


Apache Server at list.odu.edu Port 80


I checked the mailman's directory root and there is a symbolic
link:

lrwxrwxrwx1 root staff 27 Feb 17  2005 list-archives ->
../mailman/archives/public/

I ran the command:
ls -l ../mailman/archives/public/

which listed symbolic links for all of the list serves, such as:

/usr1/mailman/mailman/archives/private/[list]

where [list] is an example of one of the name of the lists.

I ran the script 'list-admins [list]' and it produced the
list owner as I would expect.

FYI, we are running mailman 2.1.6b4 on RHEL 3.0 Update Linux.

Any help in fixing this would be appreciated.

Darren
Old Dominion University 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archive for list

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

Sorry about the delay in my answer but wasn't able to get to
this till now.

On Fri, 2005-09-16 at 12:33, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> 
> >I have been trying to get to the private archives of a list but 
> >when I click on the URL http://list.odu.edu/private/telephone_logs/
> >I get nothing on the page. I have been able to access other archives of
> >private lists but for some reason I am not seeing any for this list. I
> >have thought about trying this
> >
> >bin/arch --wipe list-name
> >
> >but I don't want to remove the archives. Is there anything I check for
> >or another script to run to find out if a file is corrupt?
> >Just to be sure, I checked that this list does have a mbox in
> >the archives/private/telephone_logs directory.
> 
> Are you sure archiving is enabled for this list?

Yes, it is.

> Is there a global mailbox file at
> archives/private/telephone_logs.mbox/telephone_logs.mbox or just the
> archives/private/telephone_logs.mbox/ directory without the file?

There is an archives/private/telephone_logs.mbox file but no
archives/private/telephone_logs.mbox directory.

> If the archives/private/telephone_logs.mbox/telephone_logs.mbox file
> exists and contains the past posts to the list, then
> 
> bin/arch --wipe list-name
> 
> should build archives. If the .mbox file is there and the HTML archives
> are not being created, there is probably a permissions issue.

Do I need to do something to rebuild telephone_logs.mbox? Is it looks
for a telephone_logs.mbox/telephone_logs.mbox file? The index.html file
is empty. Shouldn't contain something?

Regards,

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders not working

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

On Thu, 2005-09-22 at 11:28, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 14:01, John Dennis wrote:
> > On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 13:44 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > > 
> > > Anything else?
> > Python print statements are pretty easy, in its simplest form:
> > 
> > print "value1=%s value2=%s" % (value1, value2)
> > 
> > each %s is replaced by the matching value inside the parens, just make
> > sure the indentation of the print statement lines up.
> 
> Thanks for the 'print' statement because I do not know python, but
> it will be on my list to learn it.
> 
> I added this to my version of mailpasswds at line 237:
> 
> print "msg=%s" % (msg)
> msg.send(sitelist, **{'errorsto': sitebounce,
>   '_nolist' : 1,
>   'verp': mm_cfg.VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS,
>  })

Just to let everyone know, for grins and giggles, I changed the msg.send
line to:

msg.send(mlist)

and it sent the password reminder. Now I must find out why the original
code did not work. Can someone who knows python tell me what the second
argument to msg.send is doing? Also, were there changes in the code
from 2.1.6b4 (our current version) to 2.1.6 for mailpasswds? We will be
upgrading soon but I wonder if we should do it sooner rather than later.

Darren 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders not working

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 14:01, John Dennis wrote:
> On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 13:44 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > 
> > Anything else?
> 
> Well, if it were me I'd edit the script and throw in a few print
> statements in a few judicious places to track what it was or wasn't
> doing since you're not getting any info in the logs.
> 
> Python print statements are pretty easy, in its simplest form:
> 
> print "value1=%s value2=%s" % (value1, value2)
> 
> each %s is replaced by the matching value inside the parens, just make
> sure the indentation of the print statement lines up.

Thanks for the 'print' statement because I do not know python, but
it will be on my list to learn it.

I added this to my version of mailpasswds at line 237:

print "msg=%s" % (msg)
msg.send(sitelist, **{'errorsto': sitebounce,
  '_nolist' : 1,
  'verp': mm_cfg.VERP_PASSWORD_REMINDERS,
 })

The output from the print statement shows that everything is in the
message but once it hands off to msg.send for the delivery that is
it. Where is msg.send located? Also, has anyone played with the
test_message.py script in the mailman/tests directory? I haven't seen
any documentation on the test code, a Google search offers no help and
the Mailman FAQ wizard comes up with zero hits.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders not working

[Darren G Pifer]

On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 12:13, John Dennis wrote:

> >   I tried testing with:
> > 
> > $ pwd
> > /usr1/mailman/mailman/cron
> > 
> > $ runas -u mailman ./mailpasswds -l testlist
> > 
> >   It just exits. Nothing in the mail or mailman logs.
> > 
> >   Other details: Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 3
> > 
> >   Any suggestions?
> 
> Have you verified that the list has its password reminder flag set to
> yes under general options and that the per user option to receive
> reminders is enabled for at least some members of the list?

That answer is 'Yes' to both questions.

Anything else?

Darren
ODU

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[Mailman-Users] Monthly password reminders not working

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  I thought this was working when we moved to Mailman 2.1.6b4
in June, (I could be wrong) but the monthly password reminder
is not working. I, and a colleague, have tried to manually
test the script for a single list but it is not working. The
script that runs out of mailman's cron is:

# 5 AM on the first of each month, mail out password reminders.
0 5 1 * * /usr/bin/python -S /usr1/mailman/mailman/cron/mailpasswds

  I tried testing with:

$ pwd
/usr1/mailman/mailman/cron

$ runas -u mailman ./mailpasswds -l testlist

  It just exits. Nothing in the mail or mailman logs.

  Other details: Red Hat Enterprise Linux AS release 3

  Any suggestions?

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Private archive for list

[Darren G Pifer]

To add something to my post, it looks like the index.html file
for this list is empty.  Do I need to run a search tool to
create the index.html file, and if so, what would that be?

Darren
ODU

On Tue, 2005-09-13 at 13:36, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> I have been trying to get to the private archives of a list but 
> when I click on the URL http://list.odu.edu/private/telephone_logs/
> I get nothing on the page. I have been able to access other archives of
> private lists but for some reason I am not seeing any for this list. I
> have thought about trying this
> 
> bin/arch --wipe list-name
> 
> but I don't want to remove the archives. Is there anything I check for
> or another script to run to find out if a file is corrupt?
> Just to be sure, I checked that this list does have a mbox in
> the archives/private/telephone_logs directory.
> 
> Darren
> ODU
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[Mailman-Users] Private archive for list

[Darren G Pifer]

I have been trying to get to the private archives of a list but 
when I click on the URL http://list.odu.edu/private/telephone_logs/
I get nothing on the page. I have been able to access other archives of
private lists but for some reason I am not seeing any for this list. I
have thought about trying this

bin/arch --wipe list-name

but I don't want to remove the archives. Is there anything I check for
or another script to run to find out if a file is corrupt?
Just to be sure, I checked that this list does have a mbox in
the archives/private/telephone_logs directory.

Darren
ODU

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Complaints about MM 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

Thanks for the information. Let me ask one more question along this
track of new things mailman 2.1.x included that was done differently
than 2.0.x. Under the membership management section, up to some number
of e-mail addresses, mailman splits the e-mail addresses into 
alphabetized sections. One of our list admins would like to have
mailman show all of the e-mail addresses in a single window, if
possible, or into multiple windows of 50 or 100 e-mail address chunks.
The list admin complains that he has to click on the first letter of
each section of e-mail addresses to change a setting. Is there a way to
do this with mailman 2.1.6b4 with a option in the default.py file or is
this something I would have to submit to the mailman developers as a new
feature?

Regards,

Darren
Old Dominion University

On Fri, 2005-09-09 at 18:38, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer 
> >I believe she is
> >saying is that if she is a member of her own list, she still has to
> >approve the message before it goes out. If she was not a member of list
> >and was in the non-member list of addresses for her list, then the mail
> >would go out without approval. I don't know this affects MM processing,
> >if the member address member name has the mod flag set, and she sends
> >to her list, will it still be held for approval?
> 
> 
> Yes, and that appears to be the issue here. If she is a moderated
> member, her posts are supposed to be held for approval (or otherwise
> disposed of according to member_moderation_action). That's what
> moderated means. It makes no difference whether she is a list owner or
> moderator herself.
> 
> If she is moderated, the only way she can post without the post being
> held is to include an
> 
> Approved: 
> 
> line in her post either as a header or as an initial body line. If
> included in the body, it is best to make it the first line and follow
> it with a blank line as at least some Mailman versions will remove the
> line following when removing the Approved: line from the post.
> 
> Also, she is correct that in Mailman 2.1.x there is no list per se of
> members who are allowed to post without moderation. You have to turn
> off moderation individually for those members who you want to post
> without moderation.
> 
> It would be simple for someone who knows Mailman and Python to create a
> withlist script that would turn off moderation for a list of members,
> but as far as I know there isn't one currently available.
> 
> In another post in this thread Darren wrote:
> 
> >On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:29, Brad Knowles wrote:
> >
> >> >  The newest problem is:  Because Classroom is a shared email account, it
> >> >  shows the "real sender" - who is a member of the list with a check-mark
> >> >  in the MOD box, so it holds the email and waits for administrator
> >> >  approval.
> >> 
> >>Make sure that your MUA properly uses the desired sender address 
> >> as both the envelope sender and in the header "From:" and "Sender:" 
> >> fields.
> >> 
> >>Or, go into your mm_cfg.py file and change what fields you look 
> >> at for determining list membership.  If you don't have explicit 
> >> settings for this, see the examples from Defaults.py, then copy them 
> >> over to mm_cfg.py and change as necessary for your installation.
> >
> >These are settings for envelope sender from Defaults.py which is looking
> >like it is doing the right thing.
> 
> 
> The setting in Defaults.py is 'USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No' which says use
> the headers as specified in SENDER_HEADERS.
> 
> 
> >
> >How can we confirm that the MUA is doing the right thing? Would this be
> >one of the mailers sendmail would be using, like mlocal?
> 
> The MUA is the 'user agent' (also called e-mail client) that the user
> uses to compose and send the mail. This is normally what sets fields
> such as From: and envelope sender in a mail message. If users want to
> post using the "classroom" address, they may need to set up a separate
> 'account' in their MUA to post from. You can verify what is being done
> by having them send to you and examining the full headers of the
> message you receive. Note that there should be a Return-Path: header
> indicating the envelope sender.
> 
> But note, It will be only a very short time before students figure out
> how to post from 'classroom'. That's why this method is not
> recommended as a secure posting method on a one-way or few-to-many
> type of list. The secure way to do this is by moderating everyone and
> giving authorized posters th

Re: [Mailman-Users] Complaints about MM 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello Brad,

  I don't want you to get in the middle of something between the
list administrator and myself, however, I just want this issue to be
clear. The list admin still has problems with the way the new mailman
handles mail she sends to her list and gets held for a list admins
approval. Her response to your answer is below highlighted by *
characters. Just so that I understand this correctly, I believe she is
saying is that if she is a member of her own list, she still has to
approve the message before it goes out. If she was not a member of list
and was in the non-member list of addresses for her list, then the mail
would go out without approval. I don't know this affects MM processing,
if the member address member name has the mod flag set, and she sends
to her list, will it still be held for approval?

On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:29, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 10:08 AM -0400 2005-09-06, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> 
> >  The old system had a box to enter addresses for all people who can post
> >  to the list without administrator approval.  We were able to "copy and
> >  paste" the same list into each list serve. The "box" does not exist in
> >  the new system.
> 
>   Yes, it does.  Go to the web admin interface for your list.  Go 
> to the "Privacy options..." section.  From there, go down to the 
> "Sender filters" sub-page.  The second box down from the top will 
> have the description "List of non-member addresses whose postings 
> should be automatically accepted."  That's what you want.

* - the operative words in this case are NON-MEMBER ADDRESSES.
If you want to be a MEMBER so you can receive emails, you cannot be a
NON-MEMBER in this box.  The MEMBER options override the entry in the
NON-MEMBER box.  We tried adding me as a non-member and it still
did not work.  I am a MEMBER in each listserve. *

Darren

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Complaints about MM 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

Thanks for the info. I will pass this onto the list admin.

On Tue, 2005-09-06 at 10:29, Brad Knowles wrote:

> >  The newest problem is:  Because Classroom is a shared email account, it
> >  shows the "real sender" - who is a member of the list with a check-mark
> >  in the MOD box, so it holds the email and waits for administrator
> >  approval.
> 
>   Make sure that your MUA properly uses the desired sender address 
> as both the envelope sender and in the header "From:" and "Sender:" 
> fields.
> 
>   Or, go into your mm_cfg.py file and change what fields you look 
> at for determining list membership.  If you don't have explicit 
> settings for this, see the examples from Defaults.py, then copy them 
> over to mm_cfg.py and change as necessary for your installation.

These are settings for envelope sender from Defaults.py which is looking
like it is doing the right thing.

# The envelope sender is set by the SMTP delivery and is thus less
easily
# spoofed than the sender, which is typically just taken from the From:
header
# and thus easily spoofed by the end-user.  However, sometimes the
envelope
# sender isn't set correctly and this will manifest itself by postings
being
# held for approval even if they appear to come from a list member.  If
you
# are having this problem, set this variable to No, but understand that
some
# spoofed messages may get through.
USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER = No

How can we confirm that the MUA is doing the right thing? Would this be
one of the mailers sendmail would be using, like mlocal?

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[Mailman-Users] Complaints about MM 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

   We had a few complaints from one of our list admins about
the new version of mailman 2.1.6b4 we upgraded to in June. The
previous version of mailman was version 2.0.13. I can not imagine
that any features were removed between versions, however, they
may have been moved. I am still getting familiar with the new
mailman but do not know everything the new version has. If someone
has come across these of these issues, please reply.

Here are the issues the list admin raised:

Our list serves are moderated - so the faculty cannot send something to
the list without our approval.  The lists are for "us" to notify about
classroom issues.

The old system had a box to enter addresses for all people who can post
to the list without administrator approval.  We were able to "copy and
paste" the same list into each list serve. The "box" does not exist in
the new system.

The new system has a "check-box". For each person in our "copy and
paste" list we have to "uncheck" the MOD box.  You can make the MOD box
default to checked or not-checked.  So we either have to "check" each
faculty member or "uncheck" all of us.

In the new system there is a box that allows you to grant
"non-moderated" access to email addresses who are NOT members of the
list.  So to try and FIX the problem, we entered [EMAIL PROTECTED] as a
"non-member" to this box - in EVERY List Serve, so we could post to the
list serves from this address - and not have to manually go to every
list serve and uncheck the box for everyone who can post to the list
without administrator approval.

The newest problem is:  Because Classroom is a shared email account, it
shows the "real sender" - who is a member of the list with a check-mark
in the MOD box, so it holds the email and waits for administrator
approval.

So - we'll make one more pass through 50+ listserves and remove the
check box for 8-10 members.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= end of list admin issues

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Case sensitive problem w/ list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 15:27, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 3:12 PM -0400 2005-09-02, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> 
> >  No, we have been using sendmail 8.13.4 even before we moved mailman
> >  to the new machine. Do you know what options sendmail may be using
> >  that is causing recipient name folding?
> 
>   By default, sendmail is not going to be doing any case folding, 
> although I believe it is capable of that.  You'd need to check the 
> bat book, and look at the options defined for that particular mailer 
> definition.

Here is the mailer definition for Mailman:   

P=/usr1/mailman/sendmail/mm-handler, F=DFMPhESu9,
S=11/31, R=21/31, T=DNS/RFC822/X-Unix, U=104:104,
A=mm-handler $h $u

As you can see, we are using the mm-handler script that came with the
new mailman (I forgot we used this, doh!). This is handling all of
the aliases for our mailman lists. We would have heard someone 
complain if it wasn't working.

Also, the sendmail mailer flag "u" which is being used and according to
the Bat book causes the case of the user part of the address to remain.
I also don't see anywhere in the mm-handler script that will do the
case conversion for us. So, it looks we could either remove the "u"
mailer flag or do the case conversion in the mm-handler script. Is there
is preference which one we should modify?

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Case sensitive problem w/ list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

On Fri, 2005-09-02 at 12:08, Brad Knowles wrote:
> At 8:56 AM -0400 2005-09-02, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> 
> >One of our list administrators pointed out a problem with one of
> >  his list serves with mailman. He tried to send mail to his list
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] but it did not go through but when he sent to
> >  [EMAIL PROTECTED] the mail did go through. This problem did
> >  not appear in our earlier version of mailman 2.0.13 but
> >  now appears it does in our current version, mailman 2.1.6b4.
> 
>   There are two aspects to this problem.
> 
>   One is in the MTA -- it may or may not do case folding on the 
> recipient name.  This is also an issue depending on how Mailman is 
> integrated into your MTA -- is that through /etc/aliases or some 
> other mechanism?
> 
>   The other aspect is Mailman itself.  Mailman doesn't care about 
> case, but will preserve it with respect to the names that it is 
> configured to know about -- either for a given list, or for a given 
> recipient or set of recipients.

>   Has your MTA changed?  

No, we have been using sendmail 8.13.4 even before we moved mailman
to the new machine. Do you know what options sendmail may be using
that is causing recipient name folding?

> Have you changed your method of integrating Mailman into the MTA?

Nope. We put the new version of mailman 2.1.6b4 on the machine then
did the conversion. I have to admit that we have not done anything
with the /etc/aliases file other than add the mailman specific entries
to it. Are we supposed to add entries for list, list-admin,
list-bounces, list-confirm, list-join, list-leave, list-owner,
list-request, list-subscribe, list-unsubscribe to the aliases file for
each mailman list we have? Will this have an effect on whether sendmail
can process the case-insensitive listname?

Darren
ODU 

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[Mailman-Users] Case sensitive problem w/ list serve

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  One of our list administrators pointed out a problem with one of
his list serves with mailman. He tried to send mail to his list
[EMAIL PROTECTED] but it did not go through but when he sent to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] the mail did go through. This problem did
not appear in our earlier version of mailman 2.0.13 but
now appears it does in our current version, mailman 2.1.6b4.

  Is there a case-sensitive setting in mailman? I am not
seeing any options with this.

Darren
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman bounces

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  Yesterday, one of our list admins sent mail to a bunch
of his list serves, however, he got the same message from
each one. I did not see anything is mailmans logs to know
why this failed.

Has anyone seen this and know a resolution?:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To 
 08/23/2005 03:19 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 PM
  
Subject 
   Uncaught bounce notification

The attached message was received as a bounce, but either the bounce
format was not recognized, or no member addresses could be extracted
from it.  This mailing list has been configured to send all
unrecognized bounce messages to the list administrator(s).

For more information see: http://list.odu.edu/admin/list/bounce

Our user needs to get these out TODAY! So any help is appreciated.

Darren
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Broken link from mailman processing

[Darren G Pifer]

My bad...the confirm script in the wwwroot directory was missing which
caused the problem. I symlinked it like we have done with our
other scripts.

Darren
ODU

On Mon, 2005-08-22 at 11:37, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>Today, one of our security administrators tried to send a
> message to one of his lists and it got held. The message the user got
> was:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/22/2005 09:55:46 AM:
> 
> > Your mail to 'SANS_GCIA' with the subject
> > 
> > Unix Security Course
> > 
> > Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> > 
> > The reason it is being held:
> > 
> > Message has implicit destination
> > 
> > Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> > notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> > this posting, please visit the following URL:
> > 
> >
> http://list.odu.edu/confirm/sans_gcia/0fabbd87d74f641d0a035f000d7075a1ef2233
> 
> According to the docs, the message was held because the user Bcc:ed the
> sans_gcia address but am waiting to confirmation on the user if he did
> this.
> 
> The thing that bothers me most is: when the user clicked on the
> http://list.odu.edu/... link, the page was "not found". What can I look
> for in the logs or elsewhere to see why the page could not be found?
> 
> If it helps, we are running MM 2.1.6b4 on Linux RHEL 3.0.
> 
> Darren 
> Old Dominion University

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[Mailman-Users] Broken link from mailman processing

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

   Today, one of our security administrators tried to send a
message to one of his lists and it got held. The message the user got
was:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/22/2005 09:55:46 AM:

> Your mail to 'SANS_GCIA' with the subject
> 
> Unix Security Course
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
> Message has implicit destination
> 
> Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
> this posting, please visit the following URL:
> 
>
http://list.odu.edu/confirm/sans_gcia/0fabbd87d74f641d0a035f000d7075a1ef2233

According to the docs, the message was held because the user Bcc:ed the
sans_gcia address but am waiting to confirmation on the user if he did
this.

The thing that bothers me most is: when the user clicked on the
http://list.odu.edu/... link, the page was "not found". What can I look
for in the logs or elsewhere to see why the page could not be found?

If it helps, we are running MM 2.1.6b4 on Linux RHEL 3.0.

Darren 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

BTW, I found the changes to ListAdmin.py from:

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-coders@python.org/msg00255.html

Darren

On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 13:22, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>   Today, after doing some checking on the user's list, I
> found the errors associated with "There is a bug in 2.1.6b4".
> in mailman's error log which I reported to this list a week
> ago. I don't know why I did not see it earlier. Here is a 
> portion of the trace in the error log:
> 
> Jul 07 09:30:39 2005 admin(12364):
> 
> admin(12364): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.6b4 -]
> admin(12364): [- Traceback --]
> admin(12364): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101,
> in run_main
> admin(12364): main()
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py",
> line 232, in main
> admin(12364): num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form)
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py",
> line 276, in show_pending_subs
> admin(12364): pendingsubs = mlist.GetSubscriptionIds()
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line
> 146, in GetSubscriptionIds
> admin(12364): return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION)
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line
> 138, in __getmsgids
> admin(12364): ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op
> == rtype]
> admin(12364): ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
> 
> Has anybody seen this? Should I send the complete trace to the
> developers list, so the can see what is going wrong?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Darren Pifer
> Old Dominion University
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 12:46, John Dennis wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 12:08 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > > Thanks for the information. You are correct, I have not seen
> > > anything in the Apache logs, however, I have not seen anything
> > > logged to mailman's logs either.
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to disable stealth mode? I know this could cause
> > > security implications but may need to do this temporarily to
> > > find and fix the problem. We will be upgrading to Mailman
> > > 2.1.6 in the next week but am not feeling that this will
> > > fix the problem.
> > 
> > You may want to read the doc here: http://www.list.org/faq.html and
> > search for STEALTH.
> > 
> > I spoke in error, the local logging is not to your mailman error log but
> > rather to syslog. Please note syslog is handled differently on different
> > systems, you may have to tweak your syslog configuration to log the
> > mailman errors.
> > 
> > The only way I know of to disable STEALTH_MODE is to change its
> > hardcoded setting in the "driver" script, you will have to locate this
> > file and edit it. However, if you can, it really would be better to get
> > your syslog working, you do want these errors logged and it really is
> > better to keep sensitive information out of the public eye.
> > 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

I hate answering my question but I found this info from
a google search. Has anyone else modified ListAdmin.py
with these changes?:

http://list.iskon.hr/~jelly/mailman-2.1.5-_UpdateRequests.diff

Does this look reasonable?

Darren Pifer
Old Dominion University

On Mon, 2005-07-11 at 13:22, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> Hello,
> 
>   Today, after doing some checking on the user's list, I
> found the errors associated with "There is a bug in 2.1.6b4".
> in mailman's error log which I reported to this list a week
> ago. I don't know why I did not see it earlier. Here is a 
> portion of the trace in the error log:
> 
> Jul 07 09:30:39 2005 admin(12364):
> 
> admin(12364): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.6b4 -]
> admin(12364): [- Traceback --]
> admin(12364): Traceback (most recent call last):
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101,
> in run_main
> admin(12364): main()
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py",
> line 232, in main
> admin(12364): num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form)
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py",
> line 276, in show_pending_subs
> admin(12364): pendingsubs = mlist.GetSubscriptionIds()
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line
> 146, in GetSubscriptionIds
> admin(12364): return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION)
> admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line
> 138, in __getmsgids
> admin(12364): ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op
> == rtype]
> admin(12364): ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size
> 
> Has anybody seen this? Should I send the complete trace to the
> developers list, so the can see what is going wrong?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Darren Pifer
> Old Dominion University
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 12:46, John Dennis wrote:
> > On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 12:08 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > > Thanks for the information. You are correct, I have not seen
> > > anything in the Apache logs, however, I have not seen anything
> > > logged to mailman's logs either.
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to disable stealth mode? I know this could cause
> > > security implications but may need to do this temporarily to
> > > find and fix the problem. We will be upgrading to Mailman
> > > 2.1.6 in the next week but am not feeling that this will
> > > fix the problem.
> > 
> > You may want to read the doc here: http://www.list.org/faq.html and
> > search for STEALTH.
> > 
> > I spoke in error, the local logging is not to your mailman error log but
> > rather to syslog. Please note syslog is handled differently on different
> > systems, you may have to tweak your syslog configuration to log the
> > mailman errors.
> > 
> > The only way I know of to disable STEALTH_MODE is to change its
> > hardcoded setting in the "driver" script, you will have to locate this
> > file and edit it. However, if you can, it really would be better to get
> > your syslog working, you do want these errors logged and it really is
> > better to keep sensitive information out of the public eye.
> > 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  Today, after doing some checking on the user's list, I
found the errors associated with "There is a bug in 2.1.6b4".
in mailman's error log which I reported to this list a week
ago. I don't know why I did not see it earlier. Here is a 
portion of the trace in the error log:

Jul 07 09:30:39 2005 admin(12364):

admin(12364): [- Mailman Version: 2.1.6b4 -]
admin(12364): [- Traceback --]
admin(12364): Traceback (most recent call last):
admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/scripts/driver", line 101,
in run_main
admin(12364): main()
admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py",
line 232, in main
admin(12364): num = show_pending_subs(mlist, form)
admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/Cgi/admindb.py",
line 276, in show_pending_subs
admin(12364): pendingsubs = mlist.GetSubscriptionIds()
admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line
146, in GetSubscriptionIds
admin(12364): return self.__getmsgids(SUBSCRIPTION)
admin(12364):   File "/usr1/mailman/mailman/Mailman/ListAdmin.py", line
138, in __getmsgids
admin(12364): ids = [k for k, (op, data) in self.__db.items() if op
== rtype]
admin(12364): ValueError: unpack tuple of wrong size

Has anybody seen this? Should I send the complete trace to the
developers list, so the can see what is going wrong?

Regards,

Darren Pifer
Old Dominion University



On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 12:46, John Dennis wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 12:08 -0400, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > Thanks for the information. You are correct, I have not seen
> > anything in the Apache logs, however, I have not seen anything
> > logged to mailman's logs either.
> > 
> > Is there a way to disable stealth mode? I know this could cause
> > security implications but may need to do this temporarily to
> > find and fix the problem. We will be upgrading to Mailman
> > 2.1.6 in the next week but am not feeling that this will
> > fix the problem.
> 
> You may want to read the doc here: http://www.list.org/faq.html and
> search for STEALTH.
> 
> I spoke in error, the local logging is not to your mailman error log but
> rather to syslog. Please note syslog is handled differently on different
> systems, you may have to tweak your syslog configuration to log the
> mailman errors.
> 
> The only way I know of to disable STEALTH_MODE is to change its
> hardcoded setting in the "driver" script, you will have to locate this
> file and edit it. However, if you can, it really would be better to get
> your syslog working, you do want these errors logged and it really is
> better to keep sensitive information out of the public eye.
> 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

Thanks for the information. You are correct, I have not seen
anything in the Apache logs, however, I have not seen anything
logged to mailman's logs either.

Is there a way to disable stealth mode? I know this could cause
security implications but may need to do this temporarily to
find and fix the problem. We will be upgrading to Mailman
2.1.6 in the next week but am not feeling that this will
fix the problem.

Darren
Old Dominion University

On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 09:50, John Dennis wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 11:54 +0900, Jim Tittsler wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 2005, at 04:59, Darren G Pifer wrote:
> > > [...] from a version of Mailman we upgraded to recently. I tried to  
> > > look
> > > in the logs but could not find anything. We will be upgrading
> > 
> > Did you look in your Apache error logs?  There may be a Python  
> > traceback there that would narrow down the problem.
> 
> I'm pretty sure that 2.1.6b (as well as 2.1.6) have enabled "stealth
> mode". This prevents stack traces from being visible on the web page for
> security reasons (you used to be able to see the stack traces). To
> analyze what caused a bug you'll need the stack trace. Although the
> stack trace is no longer visible it is logged on the system hosting
> mailman, I believe in the mailman error.log file, its location will be
> installation dependent (/var/log/mailman, /usr/local/mailman/log are
> common locations).

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[Mailman-Users] Bug in Mailman 2.1.6b4

[Darren G Pifer]

We recently received a report from one of users regarding a bug
from a version of Mailman we upgraded to recently. I tried to look
in the logs but could not find anything. We will be upgrading
the mailman software to 2.1.6 in hopes the bug will be fixed.
Can someone tell me what I can look for? The following message
is the one sent to our helpdesk address from the user:

When I tried to log into approve a message that is when I got the
error message. I typed in my password and it appeared.

this is the message

Bug in Mailman version 2.1.6b4

We're sorry, we hit a bug!


Regards,

Darren Pifer
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6b4 issues

[Darren G Pifer]

Thanks to all for the answers. After some testing I realized this
was the case for the specific list I was using. It worked as was
expected.

We will upgrade to 2.1.6 at our first opportunity to take advantage
of some fixes.

Darren
Old Dominion University

On Tue, 2005-06-28 at 12:49, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> Darren G Pifer wrote:
> >
> >The first issue is
> >that the software is sending unsubscription notices to user's e-mail
> >addresses, even though the "Send unsubscription acknowledgement to the
> >user" is set to No, under "Membership Management", "Mass Removal".
> 
> 
> This setting only affects that particular mass removal. In general,
> this is controlled by 'send_goodbye_msg' on the general options page.
> 
> If the issue is that notices are sent for a particular mass removal
> even though send acknowledgement is set to No for that removal, this
> may be a case of 'post' data being lost as Brad suggested in another
> reply, but that usually results in nothing working at all.
> 
> 
> >Secondly, when I try to change one of the configuration settings on a
> >list as the mailman administrator for any of the radio buttons under
> >"Mass Subscription" or "Mass Removal" and click on submit, the settings
> >revert back to the default setting.
> 
> Any settings you make to the radio buttons on the mass subscribe/remove
> pages affect that particular action only. Defaults for these buttons
> are as follows:
> 
> Mass Subscribe
>Subscribe/Invite = Subscribe (can't change default w/o hacking code)
>Send Welcome = send_welcome_msg setting from general options
>Notify list owner = admin_notify_mchanges from general options
> 
> Mass Remove
>Send Ack to user = No (can't change default w/o hacking code)
>Notify list owner = admin_notify_mchanges from general options
> 
> Arguably, the default for
> 
> Mass Remove
>Send Ack to user
> 
> should be send_goodbye_msg from general options, but it has been 'No'
> at least since 2.1.4.
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[Mailman-Users] Mailman 2.1.6b4 issues

[Darren G Pifer]

Hello,

  I am new to the list so if I miss something or is improper
protocol, please let me know.

  Recently, we upgraded our mailman software from 2.0.13 to 2.1.6b4
and moved from a Solaris to Linux platform (RedHat AS 3 Update) on a
different machine. The Apache Web server we are running is 2.0.52. We
are successfully sending mail through the list server and the web server
is generally working, except for a couple of issues. The first issue is
that the software is sending unsubscription notices to user's e-mail
addresses, even though the "Send unsubscription acknowledgement to the
user" is set to No, under "Membership Management", "Mass Removal".
Secondly, when I try to change one of the configuration settings on a
list as the mailman administrator for any of the radio buttons under
"Mass Subscription" or "Mass Removal" and click on submit, the settings
revert back to the default setting.

 We were planning on installing the stable release of 2.1.6 but it
did not appear that this version addressed any of the problems that we
are having.

 Has anybody seen these problems? What can I check for? Is there any
other information you need from me to get an answer for these issues?

 Regards,

Darren Pifer
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Queue directory questions

[Young, Darren]

> >- Why would files as .pck.tmp be "stuck" in the out 
> directory? Same for 
> >the in directory.
> 
> The enqueue() method (see Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py) first 
> creates the queue file with a .tmp extension and then after 
> writing the message object and metadata renames it to remove 
> the extension.
> There's very little that can go wrong except for a failure in 
> the rename itself, so I'd guess that's what's happening.

Any thoughts on what could be wrong with these? That partition is at 8%,
there are no physical errors reported on the system (at least in syslog)
and I don't see any _obvious_ errors regarding those files in the
Mailman logs. Permission issue perhaps?

The files that are currently in the out queue directory are:

total 136
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2537 Mar  8 19:21
1096625929.267138+30e68745d3df9b175dfbb65404187ddb547a54b4.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2545 Mar  8 19:21
1099307300.893445+40330f934f279aef5a832fd22aff2e2bb411549c.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2533 Mar  8 19:21
1099307464.4255259+63af44aa5f94ebb8e2a00a28ac7529b2cba33581.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2526 Mar  8 19:21
1099308059.071142+bab6a54d9f29fcee67738daa3f007d0c5e1dbb98.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2515 Mar  8 19:21
1099308640.1269419+3013cfa92d41d15310a34845bd7d8ef44308e25b.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman 0 Mar  8 19:21
1099309696.4074111+1dca3ab24da37dc6b6fc65810b63b716f8d45f03.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2526 Mar  8 19:21
1099309947.4948189+e0a13d405da4fe536b0ac734e1a5db050435e666.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2534 Mar  8 19:21
1099309977.105334+b7366057233e0cd4a11e4576244ab037675cb068.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2545 Mar  8 19:21
1101899527.397939+75dfae8bb0115ea490a27a5fe95872480f148b0c.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2533 Mar  8 19:21
1101899739.0381019+127ea95b710012f7bcc36ee3c24e279c6f776cd9.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2526 Mar  8 19:21
1101900358.729337+d370647c334b3b208e21574a06e6d394e0bb9926.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2515 Mar  8 19:21
1101900891.83463+82bb553cf478e35b94657c95df4b416a419db0ec.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2541 Mar  8 19:21
1101901981.7783821+799aec573554891426b618103db78e592d2d198b.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2534 Mar  8 19:21
1101902280.3718829+7c142ed6467b2863c2fbe71755f7deb30ac98983.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2544 Mar  8 19:21
1104577627.147306+d4b069ae8638d32c8999ef58f057e18310df713f.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2532 Mar  8 19:21
1104577890.9627421+76a1dabe86c1be253f681fbc3f4ba5049f6cbdcf.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2525 Mar  8 19:21
1104578515.296947+da9ff984c92ee0f922a4fafb079336edb3f55b06.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2514 Mar  8 19:21
1104579094.104274+edac0221e5139a765108523eca308d437a4d00e3.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2540 Mar  8 19:21
1104580125.003799+55a3a3bc7dd8a59ecad2e77f241c506653009844.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2525 Mar  8 19:21
1104580352.434473+ef6fe5277e27593227f0819c147e8ba76e464cf6.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2533 Mar  8 19:21
1104580372.3478241+247579955094debabf1d4551f107e55153698cbd.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2544 Mar  8 19:21
1107256013.381074+39547954ff43c79a99c6bde173ac6c81ef5704fa.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2544 Mar  8 19:21
1107256122.6485529+72a8fd5b34e85089850550298d8500a54feebca0.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2532 Mar  8 19:21
1107256289.64538+0eb31050a3c0b79f9d908d04d1a91dba0f9049e7.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2525 Mar  8 19:21
1107256839.8323891+694245322f35bbd3d22052c5786edcdfa2d5d175.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2514 Mar  8 19:21
1107257330.4040599+b349fd8d8e2104cdca5cdbe8697c6160db4f84ab.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2540 Mar  8 19:21
1107258469.6605899+b47f37b934e0ddd4f88eff9505c56eb2e4b31344.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2525 Mar  8 19:21
1107258694.6667271+cc244e743ce31f42e90633b17e7a6e79f17cdf67.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2589 Mar  8 19:21
1109675070.257293+360d4150e0501950a85edafeec3430918736ffac.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2589 Mar  8 19:21
1109675190.760036+f51dd4fc0fb4d22725c6c162b46556ccb5621894.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2577 Mar  8 19:21
1109675396.4116931+e49d0942dd7977cfa20a4cc8cc9d373e06ebb6de.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2570 Mar  8 19:21
1109677332.671283+0c2f9f0b43ab0807cf4da00d43da3523f3954aed.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2585 Mar  8 19:21
1109677692.4047019+f851f978c0298f617ca8802d877645afaaa9a47f.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  2570 Mar  8 19:21
1109677901.141655+a3cab2e1562b3246cf4b71029f53941d6536c1da.pck.tmp
-rw-rw1 root mailman  25

[Mailman-Users] Queue directory questions

[Young, Darren]

Few questions for any experts on the qfiles directories..

Is there a detailed description anywhere on the qfiles sub-direcotries?
If not...

- What are the files in the qfiles/virgin directory?

- Why would files as .pck.tmp be "stuck" in the out directory? Same for
the in directory.

- What conditions would cause a message to be placed in the "shunt"
directory?


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RE: [Mailman-Users] mailman/data directory

[Young, Darren]

Wow, discard is slow. Locking of the list seems to take quite a bit of time 
(i/o perhaps) so I am only able to discard around 15 messages a minute. System 
is heavily loaded as is though. Any way to speed that process up?

-Original Message- 
From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sat 3/5/2005 4:47 PM 
To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org 
Cc: 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] mailman/data directory



Young, Darren wrote:

>What are the heldmsg files in the Mailman data directory? They all seem
>to be held messages for lists, yes?

Yes

>On that note, the file in the lists/ directory, called
>request.pck, is that a pointer to all of those files specific to that
>list?

Yes, but it contains other requests too such as unconfirmed
subscriptions, unconfirmed address changes, etc.

>Reason I ask, the data directory on our server has 147,000 files in it
>(and it's getting rather large). List admins/moderators have this
>tendency of not tending to pending requests so it seems that what all
>those are. If so, what's the process to manually purge those?

bin/discard

It is not clear from "bin/discard --help" but the file arguments are
the files data/heldmsg-*

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Safe Archive Clean

[Young, Darren]

Is it safe to simply do something such as this in the archive directory:
 
find /home/mailman/archives/private -ctime +30 -exec rm -fr {} \;
 
 

-Original Message- 
From: Tokio Kikuchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Sun 3/6/2005 1:08 AM 
To: Young, Darren 
Cc: mailman-users@python.org 
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Safe Archive Clean



Hi,

Young, Darren wrote:

> Now, what I'm finding is that if a list has content filtering 
disabled,
> or set to allow other MIME types through (such as HTML) and if a 
member
> is of type digest and they have the plain option enabled for digests,
> they receive a message in their digest with a URL of where they can 
see
> a copy of the original message. The URL included has a pipermail 
address
> in it. On the server, the file was placed in that directory however I
> have pipermail disabled (since we don't support archives). Any way to
> disable this part or do I just need to wipe those archived files?

Currently, the plain text digest saves attachments in the pipermail area
on the hypothis that the archive is available. Or, the digest members
have no means to get the attachments other than to decode MIME manually.
You should wipe the archive periodically if you don't want those to be
kept in the archive area. You may also have to tell the list owners (and
users) your policy and not to use plain text digests but use mime 
digests.

You will have to hack the code if you want to do this silently.

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[Mailman-Users] Unknown encoding error

[Young, Darren]

Can anyone explain this one to me?

Mar 04 07:35:02 2005 (4008) Uncaught runner exception: unknown encoding:
gb2312
Mar 04 07:35:02 2005 (4008) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 111, in
_oneloop
self._onefile(msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 167, in
_onefile
keepqueued = self._dispose(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 130, in
_dispose
more = self._dopipeline(mlist, msg, msgdata, pipeline)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/IncomingRunner.py", line 153, in
_dopipeline
sys.modules[modname].process(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 74, in
process
prefix_subject(mlist, msg, msgdata)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Handlers/CookHeaders.py", line 262, in
prefix_subject
h.append(s, c)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/pythonlib/email/Header.py", line 285, in
append
s = s.encode(outcodec, errors)
LookupError: unknown encoding: gb2312

Mar 04 07:35:02 2005 (4008) SHUNTING:
1109943290.6219399+5bd427b49515b41d7f44df52f67a2e0837d60514

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[Mailman-Users] Safe Archive Clean

[Young, Darren]

Couple questions on archiving.

First, have some lists that archives exist for that I need to remove. We
don't support archiving so I need to blast them. What's the "safe" way
to do this?

On that note (we don't support archiving), I've disabled archives on all
lists on our server (via withlist), have set DEFAULT_ARCHIVE = Off &
ARCHIVE_TO_MBOX to -1 in Defaults.py. Additionally, I removed the
archive option from the UI via Defaults.py as well.

Now, what I'm finding is that if a list has content filtering disabled,
or set to allow other MIME types through (such as HTML) and if a member
is of type digest and they have the plain option enabled for digests,
they receive a message in their digest with a URL of where they can see
a copy of the original message. The URL included has a pipermail address
in it. On the server, the file was placed in that directory however I
have pipermail disabled (since we don't support archives). Any way to
disable this part or do I just need to wipe those archived files?

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[Mailman-Users] mailman/data directory

[Young, Darren]

What are the heldmsg files in the Mailman data directory? They all seem
to be held messages for lists, yes?

On that note, the file in the lists/ directory, called
request.pck, is that a pointer to all of those files specific to that
list?

Reason I ask, the data directory on our server has 147,000 files in it
(and it's getting rather large). List admins/moderators have this
tendency of not tending to pending requests so it seems that what all
those are. If so, what's the process to manually purge those?

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RE: [Mailman-Users] Additional role

[Young, Darren]

Yep, we use moderators already. Looking for a third (user management)
role or adding that to the moderator role (selectively).

> -Original Message-
> From: Mark Sapiro [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 8:49 PM
> To: Young, Darren; mailman-users@python.org
> Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Additional role
> 
> Young, Darren wrote:
> 
> >First question, can a moderator add/delete/modify list membership (I 
> >don't believe so, thought that was admin only)?
> 
> Only an admin can do this, but just to be sure we're on the 
> same page, who is an admin and who is a moderator in this 
> context is determined by who knows which list admin|moderator 
> password. It has nothing to do with who's address in in which 
> list attribute.
> 
> >Second, if not, has anyone created patch(es) to perform this?
> 
> I'm not aware of any.
> 
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[Mailman-Users] Qrunner Error

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Mailman 2.1.5 on RedHat EL 3.0... Getting the following error, any
thoughts?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] bin]# ./qrunner -r Outgoing:0:1 -v
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./qrunner", line 270, in ?
main()
  File "./qrunner", line 230, in main
qrunner.run()
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 70, in run
filecnt = self._oneloop()
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 99, in _oneloop
msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/home/mailman-2.1/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 143, in
dequeue
fp = open(filename)
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory:
'/home/mailman-2.1/qfiles/out/1109280212.391001d7f7d15bdb848c85faae16b96
6639956aee33bd6.pck'

Checked, that file really does not exist. Is there an outbound queue
database that can get corrupted?

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[Mailman-Users] Additional role

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First question, can a moderator add/delete/modify list membership (I
don't believe so, thought that was admin only)?

Second, if not, has anyone created patch(es) to perform this?

Need to split list duties into a more granular level, specifically, we
need to have the ability to allow moderator(s) to manage list
membership. Without being able to actually touch the list configuration.

As in:

UserAdmin   Moderate   MembershipMgmt

[EMAIL PROTECTED]X
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  XX

Or some such thing

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[Mailman-Users] List admin problem

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I have several lists that are throwing the following in the error log:

Feb 04 12:53:07 2005 post(11790): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-owner 
Feb 04 12:53:08 2005 post(11794): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-bounces 
Feb 04 12:54:19 2005 post(11854): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-owner 
Feb 04 12:54:19 2005 post(11857): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-bounces 
Feb 04 12:56:28 2005 post(11923): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-owner 
Feb 04 12:56:29 2005 post(11926): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-bounces 
Feb 04 12:57:57 2005 post(12297): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-owner 
Feb 04 12:57:57 2005 post(12300): post script, list not found:
cap-alumni-bounces 
Feb 04 13:05:37 2005 post(12897): post script, list not found:
energy2006-owner 
Feb 04 13:05:38 2005 post(12900): post script, list not found:
energy2006-bounces 

Mailman 2.1.5 on RHEL 3.0 (current patches).

/etc/aliases for those:

cap-alumni: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post cap-alumni"
cap-alumni-admin:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-admin"
cap-alumni-bounces: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-bounces"
cap-alumni-confirm: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-confirm"
cap-alumni-join:"|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-join"
cap-alumni-leave:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-leave"
cap-alumni-owner:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-owner"
cap-alumni-request: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-request"
cap-alumni-subscribe:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-subscribe"
cap-alumni-unsubscribe: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
cap-alumni-unsubscribe"

energy2006: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post energy2006"
energy2006-admin:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-admin"
energy2006-bounces: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-bounces"
energy2006-confirm: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-confirm"
energy2006-join:"|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-join"
energy2006-leave:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-leave"
energy2006-owner:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-owner"
energy2006-request: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-request"
energy2006-subscribe:   "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-subscribe"
energy2006-unsubscribe: "|/home/mailman-2.1/mail/mailman post
energy2006-unsubscribe"

newaliases runs without error. Result is that admins are never sent
notifications for pending messages.

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[Mailman-Users] Change Subscription Emails

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Mailman 2.1.5 on RedHat Enterprise Linux 3.0...

We have around 700 lists where are the members are added from our
domain. Well, we're changing our domain name and want to update all
those membership addresses. Short of dumping out the current membership
for a list, transforming that, clearing out the list and importing them
back in. I created a script that does just this, however all the user's
preferences are list in the process.

Any way to modify the list databases directly? Take all the
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and change them to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[Mailman-Users] -1 moderator requests

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I have several lists that were migrated from an older version of Mailman
that are now receiving something like:

The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list has -1 request(s) waiting for
your consideration at:


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[Mailman-Users] Change List URL

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How can I change the URL in the footer of a list? Is it as simple as
modifying web_page_url via withlist?

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[Mailman-Users] Log location

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Using Mailman 2.1.5 is there a way to change the location of the log
files (bounce, error, post, etc)? I installed mailman in
/home/mailman-2.1 so the logs are currently in /home/mailman-2.1/logs,
I'd like them in /var/log/mailman instead.

Thanks in advance,

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[Mailman-Users] Log location

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Using Mailman 2.1.5 is there a way to change the location of the log
files (bounce, error, post, etc)? I installed mailman in
/home/mailman-2.1 so the logs are currently in /home/mailman-2.1/logs,
I'd like them in /var/log/mailman instead.

Thanks in advance,

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[Mailman-Users] Send to all lists

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Question - 
 
As the server operator of a mailman server it's necessary, from time to
time, to send a "broadcast" message to all the lists on the server.
Taking it down for maintenance, something changes, etc. Is there any way
to send a message to all the lists and have it go through regardless of
moderation settings?
 
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[Mailman-Users] List signature as attachment?

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Messages that come from Outlook (via Exchange) in HTML format through a
Mailman 2.1 list have the list footer added as an attachment to the
email as it comes through the list. Didn't do this under version 2.0.
Any way to stop this from happening on those emails?

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] Prevent archive?

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Is there any way to prevent list administrators from turning on
archives? I know I can set the default to off for new lists and go
through all the lists and turn them off, however all the list admin has
to do is go in the web page and flip the switch.

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[Mailman-Users] implicit destination

[Young, Darren]

Can anyone explain this message:

List:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
From:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: (no subject)
Reason:  Message has implicit destination

Thanks.

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[Mailman-Users] Disable archive on all lists

[Young, Darren]

Under Mailman 2.0 is there a way to disable archives for all the lists?
800 lists on the systems and I don't really feel like going in to all
the web pages... 

Same question on a 2.1 installation as well.

Thanks,

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[Mailman-Users] No footer

[Young, Darren]

Trying to get a footer on every mail sent to a given list's members. Added the options 
in the page and still they aren't added to the bottom of the member's messages. 
Mailman version 2.0.11.
 
In the "regular member (non-digest) options" section, under the "footer added to 
mail..." section I have:
 
___
%(real_name)s mailing list
%(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s
%(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s
 
 
Thanks,
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] Re: Upgrade from 2.0.11 to 2.1.5

[Young, Darren]

> Since you're switching machines, you'll need to deal with a DNS 
> changeover, and maybe editing mm_cfg.py to change the hostname etc. 
> Or are you going to use the old domain name on the new server, so 
> that the list address domain stays the same? I didn't have to deal 
> with that, so I can't comment.

Keep the old name, the name that's attached to the new box is for the
time, once it hits production I'll reconfig for the old hostname.

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[Mailman-Users] Upgrade from 2.0.11 to 2.1.5

[Young, Darren]

I'm in the middle of planning an upgrade of our mailman installation and
was looking for some pointers. The current version is 2.0.11 and I'm
planning on going to the current 2.1.5. I'm actually moving the
installation from an older desktop system to a newer server at which
time I want to upgrade to the newer version. The target machine is a
RedHat Enterprise 3.0 AS server with everything up2date(d). Stock RH
sendmail. All this machine is doing is listmail.
 
First question on the move of machines, should I a) rsync everything
over to the new server and just go or b) install from scratch on the new
server. Any advice here would be great. What about the old lists? Simply
copy the lists/* directory over? I tried the fresh install on the new
server then copied over lists/* to the new machine (and /etc/aliases)
and all seems to be ok so far.
 
Next, on the upgrade. Same basic questions, should I a) upgrade the
previous version on disk or b) start from scratch and somehow import the
lists over?
 
Anyone who's done this type of upgrade, advice and pointers would be
much appreciated.
 
Thanks,
 
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RE: [Mailman-Users] wrong email address on "Welcome" page

[Darren]

Richard,

You have been very helpful in offering suggestions to fix my problem.  Yet,
I still can't seem to understand how to correct the situation where my email
address is reported as being [EMAIL PROTECTED] (instead of
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) on the page located at
http://www.usmstudent.com/mailman/listinfo.   I am running version 2.1.2 on
FreeBSD.  I have read and re-read your email and the notes in the
Defaults.py file.  Could help me a little further?

Here is an excerpt from my current mm_cfg.py file.

# Site-specific settings
DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'usmstudent.com'
DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'http://www.usmstudent.com/mailman/'
PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL  = '/pipermail'
PRIVATE_ARCHIVE_URL = '/mailman/private'
add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)

Thanks for all of your help.

Darren


- Original Message -
From: "Richard Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 4:41 AM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrong email address on "Welcome" page


>
> On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:58  am, Darren wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the tip.  But, I'm sorry.  I don't see a reference to the
> > part
> > I'm having trouble with.  On my "welcome page", there is a link that
> > users
> > with questions should use.  Mine reports [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I
> > don't
> > see how to get the "www" out of it.  And, (while I may be blind) I
> > don't see
> > a reference to it on the FAQ.
> >
>
> Maybe I misunderstood your problem but I will plow on with further
> explanation which you can ignore if it is not relevant to you.
>
> Two list attributes affect what is displayed in the way of URLs and
> email addresses for any given list; the 'host_name' and 'web_page_url'
> attributes.
>
> These list attributes are set, when the list is created, from defaults
> acquired from $prefix/Mailman/Defaults.py which may have been
> over-ridden by values in $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py.
>
> The FAQ page I cited deals with changing the defaults, which will
> affect al new lists subsequently created, and having those revised
> values propagated to modify existing lists' attributes.
>
> You do not say what version of Mailman you are running.
>
> I think the relevant section on the referenced FAQ page, which applies
> to MM 2.1.x, is the explanation under the heading 'Changing hostnames'.
>
> Based on your post you would want to add something like this to your
> $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to get the right values for new lists:
>
> DEFAULT_URL_HOST = 'www.umstudent.com'
> DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST = 'umstudent.com'
> VIRTUAL_HOSTS.clear()
> add_virtualhost(DEFAULT_URL_HOST, DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST)
>
> and then use $prefix/bin/fix_url to update your existing lists.
>
> You can change the email host for an existing list via the admin web
> GUI by changing the following list attribute:
>
>  'Host name this list prefers for email' - host_name
>
> but beware of changing this for a list without getting the information
> in mm_cfg.py correct also.
>
> If you are running MM 2.0.13 add something like this to your
> $prefix/Mailman/mm_cfg.py to get the right values for new lists:
>
> DEFAULT_HOST_NAME = 'umstudent.com'
> DEFAULT_URL = 'http://www.umstudent.com/mailman/'
>
> and you can update existing lists from their admin web GUI by changing
> the following list attributes:
>
>  'Host name this list prefers.' - host_name
>
>  'Base URL for Mailman web interface ...' - web_page_url
>
> but be careful in changing the $prefix/Mailman/ attribute. Get that
> wrong and further access to the web admin GUI for the list may become
> problematic; which is why it was removed from the web admin GUI in MM
> 2.1.x
>
> > Darren
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Richard Barrett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Darren" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 10:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] wrong email address on "Welcome" page
> >
> >
> >>
> >> On Monday, August 25, 2003, at 03:45  am, Darren wrote:
> >>
> >>> I have Mailman running on a FreeBSD box.  On the "welcome" page
> >>> (http://www.usmstudent.com/mailman/listinfo/) the email address it
> >>> points
> >>> users to who have "questions or comments" is wrong.  It includes a
> >>> "www." in
> >&g

[Mailman-Users] wrong email address on "Welcome" page

[Darren]

I have Mailman running on a FreeBSD box.  On the "welcome" page
(http://www.usmstudent.com/mailman/listinfo/) the email address it points
users to who have "questions or comments" is wrong.  It includes a "www." in
the domain.  I can not figure out where to change this.  I did find a file
that I can edit by hand.  But, I don't think hacking it is the answer.

So, can anyone tell me what the appropriate way change this to take the
"www." out of the email address would be?

TIA,
Darren


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