Re: [Mailman-Users] Help for mailto: in footer.

[bob 001]

Hello,

Any one there to help out? Very basic thing is missing.

We can't use mailto: command in footer at all :( . It comes out as broken
link. Can this be considered a serious/urgent enhancement?

Tried this one too..

http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg32666.html that it
> is possible.
>
> Can someone please help? Following text in footer is not working and
> appears broken when it reaches to yahoo and/or gmail.
>
> mailto:%(list_name)s@
> %(host_name)s?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe %(user_password)s
>
> Kindly suggest, this is very important for us.
>
> TIA
> - Bob
>
>
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help for mailto: in footer.

[Mark Sapiro]

bob 001 wrote:
>
>Tried this one too..
>
>http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2009-May/065944.html>

The above doesn't work for two reasons:

1) You must use %%20, not %20. %20 causes an interpolation error which
is why nothing gets replaced.

2) The footer is in a text/plain message part, thus html tags will not
work because the text is not being rendered as HTML.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help for mailto: in footer.

[Mark Sapiro]

bob 001 wrote:
>
>Can someone please help? Following text in footer is not working and appears
>broken when it reaches to yahoo and/or gmail.
>
>mailto:%(list_name)s@
>%(host_name)s?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe %(user_password)s


First of all, it is a very bad idea to put the user's password in this
footer. User's are very careless about not removing footers and
signatures from replies and forwards of messages. With a footer as
above, you will have users posting their passwords back to the list.
Even if it is an announce only list, they will still forward their
passwords elsewhere.

Second, the address to which to send the unsubscribe command is
%(list_name)s-requ...@%(host_name)s, not %(list_name)s...@%(host_name)s.

Third, the footer is always in a text/plain part so URIs are not
necessarily recognized as such or rendered as "clickable" by various
MUAs (mail clients). There's little you can do about that, but putting
the URI in <> brackets may help. E.g.
.

Also, simply mailing to the -leave or -unsubscribe address will also
work. E.g., .

Further, It is redundant to put and unsubscribe command in both the
subject and the body of a message to -request. Both will be processed,
and the first will result in a confirmation request email even if the
second succeeds. If you really insist on including the users password,
and you want it in the body and not the subject, I suggest
.
Note the %%20. The % is doubled so Mailman's interpolation will convert
it to a single %, and you need %20 instead of a space because space
will terminate the URI.

Finally, note that %(user_password)s only works if the list is
personalized.

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[Mailman-Users] Help for mailto: in footer.

[bob 001]

Hi Experts,
I am just trying to use mailto: facility.

It seems from last two lines of Jim Tittsler's response here :-
http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users@python.org/msg32666.html that it
is possible.

Can someone please help? Following text in footer is not working and appears
broken when it reaches to yahoo and/or gmail.

mailto:%(list_name)s@
%(host_name)s?subject=unsubscribe&body=unsubscribe %(user_password)s

Kindly suggest, this is very important for us.

TIA
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help

[Mark Sapiro]

dave andrews wrote:

>Hi can anyone help me get the keywords selection facility working on
>mailman?


There are some problems with the way topics keywords are documented in
Mailman 2.1.x. Mailman 2.2 will actually work as documented, but for
Mailman 2.1 you need to know the following.

The regexp box is a single regexp compiled in VERBOSE mode. This means
unescaped whitespace outside of character classes is ignored and any
unescaped # and everything to the right of it is ignored.

In particular, this means that several words, one per line are not ORed
as implied by the documentation. You need to explicitly OR them as in

firstword|
secondword|
otherword

This is fixed in 2.2 (not released yet) so that the simple word per
line will work, and current working regexps will be converted to
continue working.

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[Mailman-Users] Help

[dave andrews]

Hi can anyone help me get the keywords selection facility working on
mailman?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

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Steve Weiss wrote:

>I started using Mailman 2.1.11 via Lunar Pages.  I created a list last
>month, and almost a month later to the day, my members are being
>automatically unsubscribed en mass.  Is there a setting to be changed so I
>don't have to re-enter the list members again?
>
> 
>
>Attached is a copy of the email I received.


Your attachment was stripped by the list's content filtering, but I'm
guessing you received one or both of a message like this:

This is a Mailman mailing list bounce action notice:

List:   LISTNAME
Member: u...@example.com
Action: Subscription disabled.
Reason: Excessive or fatal bounces.

or like this:

u...@example.com has been removed from LISTNAME.


If you only got the first message, the members may still be on the list
with delivery disabled and you can reenable delivery from the
Membership Management pages on the web admin interface.

See the Bounce processing section of the web admin interface for more
information.

Any further analysis or help would require access to Mailman's log
files. Depending on your hosting arrangement, you may or may not have
that.

Not that you shouldn't merely reenable a bouncing address without
understanding why it bounced, and whether it is in fact deliverable.

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[Mailman-Users] Help!

[Steve Weiss]

I started using Mailman 2.1.11 via Lunar Pages.  I created a list last
month, and almost a month later to the day, my members are being
automatically unsubscribed en mass.  Is there a setting to be changed so I
don't have to re-enter the list members again?

 

Attached is a copy of the email I received.

 

Thanks, in advance, for your help.

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help

[Jeff Bernier]

Mark,
 
You are my new HERO! Hit the bricks Cpt. Marvel. If I were there... I'd kiss 
you!... Well, maybe not!
 
It all is now working perfectly even my moved list.
 
I removed the suspect config.pck file, re-copied over the original good one, 
then paid much closer attention to file ownership and permissions before 
re-running the withlist and arch commands again.
 
Thank You... Thank You Mark and others for your help!
 
Jeff
 

>>> On 2/5/2009 at 1:35 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
Jeff Bernier wrote:

>No... I cannot get to the moved lists URL. I get the same Bug in Mailman
>message. I seem to be able to do all the administrative and subscriber 
>tasks with all other lists. the individual lists URLs will work... I just
>can no longer get to the main Mailman list page at: http://mailman ( 
>http://mailman/ )-host-name/mailman/listinfo or: http://mailman ( 
>http://mailman/ )-host-name/mailman/admin.



This is because the moved list's liusts/LISTNAME/config.pck file is
corrupt.

The first step is to remove the config.pck. If there is a
config.pck.last, it may be OK. If there is no config.pck.last, or it's
not OK remove all lists/LISTNAME/config.pck* files for this list. Then
the admin and listinfo overviews will work.


>Additionally, I don't thing the withlist command was successful for the 
>list I attempted to move.


This may be the cause of the current problem, or it may be because
there was some problem with the original config.pck that you moved.


>And other Mailman commands seem to fail as well,
>such as list_lists, and list_admins, producing similar results as what I
>had forwarded below.


This is all because of the one corrupt config.pck.


>I will take a look at the link you noted to try to determine where the
>fault is.


You don't need to do that. That is only to identify which list's
config.pck is corrupt, but we know that because you can't get to the
moved list's admin or listinfo pages so it is the config.pck for the
moved list which has the problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help

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Jeff Bernier wrote:

>No... I cannot get to the moved lists URL. I get the same Bug in Mailman
>message. I seem to be able to do all the administrative and subscriber 
>tasks with all other lists. the individual lists URLs will work... I just
>can no longer get to the main Mailman list page at: 
>http://mailman-host-name/mailman/listinfo or: 
>http://mailman-host-name/mailman/admin.



This is because the moved list's liusts/LISTNAME/config.pck file is
corrupt.

The first step is to remove the config.pck. If there is a
config.pck.last, it may be OK. If there is no config.pck.last, or it's
not OK remove all lists/LISTNAME/config.pck* files for this list. Then
the admin and listinfo overviews will work.


>Additionally, I don't thing the withlist command was successful for the 
>list I attempted to move.


This may be the cause of the current problem, or it may be because
there was some problem with the original config.pck that you moved.


>And other Mailman commands seem to fail as well,
>such as list_lists, and list_admins, producing similar results as what I
>had forwarded below.


This is all because of the one corrupt config.pck.


>I will take a look at the link you noted to try to determine where the
>fault is.


You don't need to do that. That is only to identify which list's
config.pck is corrupt, but we know that because you can't get to the
moved list's admin or listinfo pages so it is the config.pck for the
moved list which has the problem.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help

[Jeff Bernier]

Mark,
 
No... I cannot get to the moved lists URL. I get the same Bug in Mailman 
message. I seem to be able to do all the administrative and subscriber tasks 
with all other lists. the individual lists URLs will work... I just can no 
longer get to the main Mailman list page at: 
http://mailman-host-name/mailman/listinfo or: 
http://mailman-host-name/mailman/admin.
 
Additionally, I don't thing the withlist command was successful for the list I 
attempted to move. And other Mailman commands seem to fail as well, such as 
list_lists, and list_admins, producing similar results as what I had forwarded 
below.
 
I will take a look at the link you noted to try to determine where the fault 
is. Of course, ultimately, it's my fault.
 
I'm very new to Unix based commands, and Mailman in general, so I really 
appreciate your patience and assistance here.
 
Regards,
Jeff
 

>>> On 2/4/2009 at 7:26 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:
Jeff Bernier wrote:

>I was moving a list from one server to another, and following creating 
>directories and moving files, I attempted to run the following command:
> 
>withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME
> 
>Now I cannot get to my main Mailman page. I see the Bug in Mailman version 
>2.1.9 message.
> 
>I can however get to each individual list manager url and login.


How about the list you just moved?


>When I type list_lists at the command line, I get the following in return:
>sh-3.2# ./list_lists
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./list_lists", line 122, in 
>main()
>  File "./list_lists", line 94, in main
>mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
>self.Load()
>  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load
>dict, e = self.__load(file)
>  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in __load
>dict = loadfunc(fp)
>AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'append'
> 
>What did I do wrong? Any Ideas what this means?


Both the above traceback from list_lists and the Bug from the listinfo
overview page say that the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file is corrupt
for some list. The most likely candidate is the list you just moved,
but if the withlist fix_url worked, that one should be OK.

See the post at

for a way to find out which list has the problem config.pck.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help

[Mark Sapiro]

Jeff Bernier wrote:

>I was moving a list from one server to another, and following creating 
>directories and moving files, I attempted to run the following command:
> 
>withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME
> 
>Now I cannot get to my main Mailman page. I see the Bug in Mailman version 
>2.1.9 message.
> 
>I can however get to each individual list manager url and login.


How about the list you just moved?


>When I type list_lists at the command line, I get the following in return:
>sh-3.2# ./list_lists
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "./list_lists", line 122, in 
>main()
>  File "./list_lists", line 94, in main
>mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
>  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
>self.Load()
>  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load
>dict, e = self.__load(file)
>  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in __load
>dict = loadfunc(fp)
>AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'append'
> 
>What did I do wrong? Any Ideas what this means?


Both the above traceback from list_lists and the Bug from the listinfo
overview page say that the lists/LISTNAME/config.pck file is corrupt
for some list. The most likely candidate is the list you just moved,
but if the withlist fix_url worked, that one should be OK.

See the post at

for a way to find out which list has the problem config.pck.

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[Mailman-Users] Help

[Jeff Bernier]

I was moving a list from one server to another, and following creating 
directories and moving files, I attempted to run the following command:
 
withlist -l -r fix_url LISTNAME
 
Now I cannot get to my main Mailman page. I see the Bug in Mailman version 
2.1.9 message.
 
I can however get to each individual list manager url and login.
 
When I type list_lists at the command line, I get the following in return:
sh-3.2# ./list_lists
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "./list_lists", line 122, in 
main()
  File "./list_lists", line 94, in main
mlist = MailList.MailList(n, lock=0)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 130, in __init__
self.Load()
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 629, in Load
dict, e = self.__load(file)
  File "/usr/share/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 602, in __load
dict = loadfunc(fp)
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'append'
 
What did I do wrong? Any Ideas what this means?
 
Help!
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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/31/08 14:25, Barry Warsaw wrote:
Load on the wiki is probably not too big of a deal; it's supposedly on a 
fairly beefy virtual host connected to a big pipe.  The security issue 
is worth considering though.


Can the wiki actually do the redirect(s) with out relying on an HTML 
refresh to a new location?  Or better asked, will the wiki (as a system) 
allow you to return a HTTP Location header or will you be constrained 
with in the structure of the wiki?




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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

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On Dec 31, 2008, at 11:12 AM, Brad Knowles wrote:


on 12/31/08 12:55 AM, Grant Taylor said:

I think this is what /should/ be done.  And what I was (poorly)  
trying to get at.  So, the offer for help with Apache / PHP / DB  
code is still applicable and still stands.  :)


One trick here is exactly where we put our documentation on this  
matter.  If we do it within the wiki, then most anyone should be  
able to update it on demand, although I'm not sure what additional  
load this might create on the wiki.  We might also want to think  
twice about such a public page being easily editable by anyone that  
would be used so widely within a program like Mailman.


Load on the wiki is probably not too big of a deal; it's supposedly on  
a fairly beefy virtual host connected to a big pipe.  The security  
issue is worth considering though.


If we try to do this on the main list.org site itself, I believe  
that Barry is the only one with the account and permissions to make  
these kinds of changes, in part because the site is actually owned  
by someone else (maybe John Viega, one of the original authors of  
Mailman?).


Several people can actually edit the pages (and of course, I'd be  
happy to add permissions for you too Brad!), but it's true that I'm  
the only one that can push out new pages.  It's easy for me to do  
though, so a quick ping in email or irc would do the trick.


- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/31/08 10:12, Brad Knowles wrote:
One trick here is exactly where we put our documentation on this matter. 
 If we do it within the wiki, then most anyone should be able to update 
it on demand, although I'm not sure what additional load this might 
create on the wiki.  We might also want to think twice about such a 
public page being easily editable by anyone that would be used so widely 
within a program like Mailman.


I'm betting that the wiki can't do a 302 redirect, which would be 
proper.  I'm sure that something could be done to do an HTML "refresh" 
or a JavaScript "document.location", but neither of those are as nice as 
an HTTP 302 redirect.  The 302 redirect operates at a much lower layer 
and is much easier on systems because clients don't have to process the 
downloaded page.  It uses less bandwidth too.


If we try to do this on the main list.org site itself, I believe that 
Barry is the only one with the account and permissions to make these 
kinds of changes, in part because the site is actually owned by someone 
else (maybe John Viega, one of the original authors of Mailman?).


*nod*

I got to thinking.  I chose Apache / PHP because that's what I know 
best.  But there is no reason (that I know of) that would prevent the 
same thing from being written in Python, or any other dynamic language 
for that matter.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Brad Knowles]

on 12/31/08 12:55 AM, Grant Taylor said:

I think this is what /should/ be done.  And what I was (poorly) trying 
to get at.  So, the offer for help with Apache / PHP / DB code is still 
applicable and still stands.  :)


One trick here is exactly where we put our documentation on this matter. 
 If we do it within the wiki, then most anyone should be able to update 
it on demand, although I'm not sure what additional load this might 
create on the wiki.  We might also want to think twice about such a 
public page being easily editable by anyone that would be used so widely 
within a program like Mailman.


If we try to do this on the main list.org site itself, I believe that 
Barry is the only one with the account and permissions to make these 
kinds of changes, in part because the site is actually owned by someone 
else (maybe John Viega, one of the original authors of Mailman?).


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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/30/2008 12:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:
You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman 
web interface and other documentation currently contains links to 
documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been 
broken by changes at python.org, a site over which we Mailman folks 
have no control and little influence.


I'm really talking to (at) both sets of web developers / maintainers. 
Such a system should really be in place on both the Mailman /and/ 
Python.org web sites.


However I do think that the Mailman documentation maintainers should 
point to web pages that they do have more control over.  In my opinion 
it is bad form to point to something that you do not control and thus 
can't rely on.


The only way redirects help us is in defending against the *next* 
change at python.org, we could change our links now to go to a site 
we do control and redirect from there to python.org. Then next time, 
we would only have to change the redirects.


*Exactly!*

I think this is what /should/ be done.  And what I was (poorly) trying 
to get at.  So, the offer for help with Apache / PHP / DB code is still 
applicable and still stands.  :)




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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Dec 30, 2008, at 7:46 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:


Barry Warsaw wrote:


the new docs.python.org organization.  I can ask the pdo admins and
doc folks to set up redirects if possible, and may be able to set
those redirects up myself.

Please submit a bug report on the issue, indicating which links are
broken.  It might be best to do this on the Python bug tracker:
bugs.python.org.  Feel free to assign the issue to me (user name:
barry).  If I can't fix it, I'll try to find someone who can.



I put it in the tracker as . It was
automagically assigned to georg.brandl, but I put barry on the copy
list.


Thanks Mark.  I'll ping Georg and see what we can do.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Mark Sapiro]

Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
>the new docs.python.org organization.  I can ask the pdo admins and
>doc folks to set up redirects if possible, and may be able to set
>those redirects up myself.
>
>Please submit a bug report on the issue, indicating which links are
>broken.  It might be best to do this on the Python bug tracker:
>bugs.python.org.  Feel free to assign the issue to me (user name:
>barry).  If I can't fix it, I'll try to find someone who can.


I put it in the tracker as . It was
automagically assigned to georg.brandl, but I put barry on the copy
list.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

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On Dec 30, 2008, at 1:01 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote:

You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman  
web

interface and other documentation currently contains links to
documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been broken
by changes at python.org, a site over which we Mailman folks have no
control and little influence.


Well, sort of .

I'm sorry, I've been out of town for a while so I've missed the  
thread.  I gather that links on the Mailman admin u/i have broken with  
the new docs.python.org organization.  I can ask the pdo admins and  
doc folks to set up redirects if possible, and may be able to set  
those redirects up myself.


Please submit a bug report on the issue, indicating which links are  
broken.  It might be best to do this on the Python bug tracker:  
bugs.python.org.  Feel free to assign the issue to me (user name:  
barry).  If I can't fix it, I'll try to find someone who can.


- -Barry

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Adam McGreggor]

On Tue, Dec 30, 2008 at 10:01:58AM -0800, Mark Sapiro wrote:
> You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman web
> interface and other documentation currently contains links to
> documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been broken
> by changes at python.org, a site over which we Mailman folks have no
> control and little influence.
> 
> The only way redirects help us is in defending against the *next*
> change at python.org, we could change our links now to go to a site we
> do control and redirect from there to python.org. Then next time, we
> would only have to change the redirects.

That's what I was suggesting.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Mark Sapiro]

Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>Seeing as how both Stephen and Adam have mentioned redirects, I figured 
>I'd add some more information.




You're talking to the wrong people. The problem is that the Mailman web
interface and other documentation currently contains links to
documentation on the python.org web site. These links have been broken
by changes at python.org, a site over which we Mailman folks have no
control and little influence.

The only way redirects help us is in defending against the *next*
change at python.org, we could change our links now to go to a site we
do control and redirect from there to python.org. Then next time, we
would only have to change the redirects.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/29/2008 08:29 PM, Taylor, Grant wrote:
I'm sure that it's not only Mailman that has been hurt by the changed 
URLs.  Besides, I'd be very tempted to set up 302, or better 301, 
redirects from the old URLs to the new URLs.  That way if /anyone/ does 
accidentally enter the old URL they are redirected to where they should 
be.  Optionally for pages that merged or split, they could put a 
disambiguating page (like Wikipedia) allowing people to choose where 
they want to go.


Seeing as how both Stephen and Adam have mentioned redirects, I figured 
I'd add some more information.


If the web server is running Apache and / or PHP, it would be trivial to 
create a new (sub)directory / structure that behaves much like TinyURL 
in that it would be something along the lines of redirecting URLs like 
"/<(sub)directory>/links/" (using URL re-writing) or 
"/<(sub)directory>/links?linkID=" (no URL re-writing) to a 
final destination.


Using either method (URL rewriting or not) it would be trivial to create 
a two column database that has the requested URL and the redirect to URL 
to query and generate a redirection from.  (If need be I can put 
together some example code to do this.)


The only thing that comes to mind that would be a problem is when 
content either merges or splits across individual files.  In this case, 
you would need some sort of landing page for visitors to decide where 
they want to go.  A sign post for the fork in the road, if you will.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Adam McGreggor]

On Mon, Dec 29, 2008 at 07:29:59PM -0600, Brad Knowles wrote:
> on 12/29/08 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro said:
> 
> >I am aware the the python.org documentation URLs have all changed.
> >Unfortunately, it's not a simple mapping. E.g., the above becomes
> >
> >or equivalently
> >.
> 
> Part of the problem is that the people who maintain the official 
> python.org documentation for this information feel that Mailman should 
> not be referencing their documentation, instead we should have our own 
> internal version of the same information.

I'd say "why reinvent the wheel"...

> So, they don't give a flying flip about what happens to the Mailman 
> community when they change their documentation or their URLs.

Although 10years old, I still think http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI
is a well-put document.

> Since the release engineer for the next major version of Python is going 
> to be mentored by Barry Warsaw for that role, perhaps we can get some 
> sympathy there and hopefully get a bit more cooperation on things like this.

Make sense to me. 

If not/it doesn't happen, perhaps a workaround could be to reference
python.org docs via a list.org/pythonref/foo Redirect or similar? -- bit
more maint, but could be scripted.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Brad Knowles writes:

 > So, they don't give a flying flip about what happens to the Mailman 
 > community when they change their documentation or their URLs.

Whatever happened to the principle that URLs shouldn't just disappear?

How about TOOWTDI?  And the closely related DRY (don't repeat
yourself)?  Doc people should be especially sensitive to these
issues. :-(

But I suppose it's too much to hope that they'll be persuaded.  Would
it be a good idea to make such references indirect?  E.g., have a
list.org URL that does a redirect to the Python URL?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Grant Taylor]

On 12/29/2008 07:29 PM, Brad Knowles wrote:
Part of the problem is that the people who maintain the official 
python.org documentation for this information feel that Mailman should 
not be referencing their documentation, instead we should have our own 
internal version of the same information.


Arguably, that is probably the better thing to do.  Or at least point to 
a page that says "Go  to find the information that you are 
wanting..." and have the "" be more easily update able while still 
providing a static path that will work across multiple Maiman releases.


So, they don't give a flying flip about what happens to the Mailman 
community when they change their documentation or their URLs.


I'm sure that it's not only Mailman that has been hurt by the changed 
URLs.  Besides, I'd be very tempted to set up 302, or better 301, 
redirects from the old URLs to the new URLs.  That way if /anyone/ does 
accidentally enter the old URL they are redirected to where they should 
be.  Optionally for pages that merged or split, they could put a 
disambiguating page (like Wikipedia) allowing people to choose where 
they want to go.




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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Brad Knowles]

on 12/29/08 5:54 PM, Mark Sapiro said:


I am aware the the python.org documentation URLs have all changed.
Unfortunately, it's not a simple mapping. E.g., the above becomes

or equivalently
.


Part of the problem is that the people who maintain the official 
python.org documentation for this information feel that Mailman should 
not be referencing their documentation, instead we should have our own 
internal version of the same information.


So, they don't give a flying flip about what happens to the Mailman 
community when they change their documentation or their URLs.



Since the release engineer for the next major version of Python is going 
to be mentored by Barry Warsaw for that role, perhaps we can get some 
sympathy there and hopefully get a bit more cooperation on things like this.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] help files

[Mark Sapiro]

Michael Welch wrote:
>
>It appears that at least some of the help files are no longer available at the 
>links embedded in Mailman, like this one:
>http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html


I am aware the the python.org documentation URLs have all changed.
Unfortunately, it's not a simple mapping. E.g., the above becomes

or equivalently
.

I do plan to update all the python.org references before the next
release.

I have already updated references to the old FAQ Wizard. If you are
aware of any othe broken links, please let me know.

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[Mailman-Users] help files

[Michael Welch]

version 2.1.11 

It appears that at least some of the help files are no longer available at the 
links embedded in Mailman, like this one:
http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/re-syntax.html

I wonder if someone with the keys to Mailman and/or python.org can fix this.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Ricardo Kleemann wrote:

>Ok, I do see that there are a few errors for malformed remote addresses, but 
>would this cause mailman to stop processing? Looking through smtp-failure I 
>see only a couple of these errors in an hour timeframe, nothing that would 
>cause mailman to get stuck.


The errors you see are symtoms of problems between Mailman and the MTA.
You won't actually see anything in the smtp-failure log about the hang
itself.


>It seems very slow in handling the large outqueue, even though I have a high 
>power server and very fast internet connection. I don't see python taking up 
>much of the cpu, it is processing the out queue, but it would seem to me, 
>very slowly.


Because most of the time is Mailman just waiting for an SMTP response.

If you have Python 2.4 or later, see the FAQ at
 for a way to get copious debugging info
from the Python smtplib. Also search the FAQ for 'performance'.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem

[Mark Sapiro]

Ricardo Kleemann wrote:
>
>I'm running mailman 2.1.9 under Ubuntu, and for some reason it seems to 
>somehow be getting stuck once in a while. Almost every day I have to "kick it" 
>to get it going by restarting the process. Although it seems all the qrunner 
>processes are still there, the qfiles seem stuck and until I restart mailman, 
>the queue does not get processed.


Which queues are not processed? All or just out/?


>I have a couple large lists, to the point that when the queue gets stuck, I 
>can come in the morning and see there are almost 20,000 messages in the 
>qfiles/out directory.
>
>I've been running these lists for a few years now, and they were running fine 
>under mailman in another server, but now I've moved them to a new server, and 
>somehow this is happening.
>
>I see that in logs/error there are a lot of errors related to unparseable 
>message, for example:
>

>
>Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Ignoring unparseable message: 
>1225156297.669034+58c184ed96a18e9fdad8c658fde5815c31440c01


This is malformed spam sent to a list and ignored. It is not related to
your problem.


>But anyway, these lists ran without a hitch in the other server with an older 
>version of mailman.
>
>Is there something I can look at to help debug this problem? Right now it 
>looks like I have to resort to a cron entry to restart mailman once a day, 
>probably.. :-(


I'm guessing it's only the out queue that gets stuck. If so, it is
probably because of some glitch in SMTP delivery to your MTA that is
causing the SMTP library routines to hang waiting for an SMTP response
that never comes.

Look in Mailman's smtp-failure log for clues and see the FAQ at
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[Mailman-Users] help diagnosing problem

[Ricardo Kleemann]

Hi,

I'm running mailman 2.1.9 under Ubuntu, and for some reason it seems to somehow 
be getting stuck once in a while. Almost every day I have to "kick it" to get 
it going by restarting the process. Although it seems all the qrunner processes 
are still there, the qfiles seem stuck and until I restart mailman, the queue 
does not get processed.

I have a couple large lists, to the point that when the queue gets stuck, I can 
come in the morning and see there are almost 20,000 messages in the qfiles/out 
directory.

I've been running these lists for a few years now, and they were running fine 
under mailman in another server, but now I've moved them to a new server, and 
somehow this is happening.

I see that in logs/error there are a lot of errors related to unparseable 
message, for example:

Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Uncaught runner exception: multipart message with 
no defined boundary
Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Runner.py", line 100, in _oneloop
msg, msgdata = self._switchboard.dequeue(filebase)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Queue/Switchboard.py", line 164, in dequeue
msg = email.message_from_string(msg, Message.Message)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/__init__.py", line 51, in 
message_from_string
return Parser(_class, strict=strict).parsestr(s)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 240, in _parsebody
msgobj = self.parsestr(part)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 75, in parsestr
return self.parse(StringIO(text), headersonly=headersonly)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 265, in _parsebody
msg = self.parse(fp)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 64, in parse
self._parsebody(root, fp, firstbodyline)
  File "/usr/lib/mailman/pythonlib/email/Parser.py", line 247, in _parsebody
'multipart message with no defined boundary')
BoundaryError: multipart message with no defined boundary

Oct 29 07:46:00 2008 (4208) Ignoring unparseable message: 
1225156297.669034+58c184ed96a18e9fdad8c658fde5815c31440c01

But anyway, these lists ran without a hitch in the other server with an older 
version of mailman.

Is there something I can look at to help debug this problem? Right now it looks 
like I have to resort to a cron entry to restart mailman once a day, probably.. 
:-(

Thanks for any help
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' onLinux, here's what I tried to fix it

[Mark Sapiro]

Don Steiny wrote:
>

>
>What should I do next?  Help!


Go to the list archive at

and read the two replies to your identical post from yesterday.

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[Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' on Linux, here's what I tried to fix it

[Don Steiny]

Hi,

I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

When I attempt to start it I get this message:

#
# /etc/init.d/mailman start
* Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing.
* Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start.

Searching around the web I found I needed to create a list mailman
(though I have not figured out why it was not seeing my existing lists,
that is for later) I got this;
# newlist mailman
Memory fault

I thought the problem might be with the debian mailmail I went to
sourceforge and downloaded and installed 2.1.11 and nothing changed. I
though the problem might be with Python, I downlaoded and installed
Python 2.6 and there were changes in that when I tried to install
mailman I got this:
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
bin/update:37: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use
hashlib instead
  import md5
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module
is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 51, in 
from Mailman import MailList
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in 
from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in 
from Archiver import *
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in 
from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in 
import mailbox
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in 
import email.message
ImportError: No module named message
make: *** [update] Error 1

I copied over the 2.4 mailbox.py file to 2.6 and then I could compile
everything with the sha and md5 warnings, which are supposedly no big
deal, and I got one tiny change:

/usr/sbin/newlist:96: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated;
use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Memory fault

What should I do next?  Help!

-Don



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' on Linux, here's what I tried to fix it

[Andrew Hodgson]

Don Steiny wrote:

>Hi,

>I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
>the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;

>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

Hi,

A couple of things here...

Is that the Debian kernel you are using which is at 2.6.8, that is the
kernel that ships with Sarge (the previous Debian release).  We are now
on Etch, which is the stable release, so using that version is highly
advised.

Is this an upgrade of Mailman from the Debian Sarge mailman package
(which, if I remember correctly was at 2.1.5) or some other Mailman you
installed from source?  This is important as the Debian package looks
for things in different places than the default installation from
source.

Have you upgraded the whole Debian system to stable (Etch), or just the
Mailman packages?

We really need more background to this.

Andrew.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' onLinux, here's what I tried to fix it

[Mark Sapiro]

Don Steiny wrote:
>
>I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
>the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;
>
>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
>
>When I attempt to start it I get this message:
>
>#
># /etc/init.d/mailman start
>* Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing.
>* Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start.


This is a Debian package issue. Somehow your update of Mailman and
Python has lost your prior Mailman installation.


>Searching around the web I found I needed to create a list mailman
>(though I have not figured out why it was not seeing my existing lists,
>that is for later)


Assuming your prior Mailman was 2.1.x, you already had a mailman list;
it was lost with the others:


>I got this;
># newlist mailman
>Memory fault
>
>I thought the problem might be with the debian mailmail I went to
>sourceforge and downloaded and installed 2.1.11 and nothing changed. I
>though the problem might be with Python, I downlaoded and installed
>Python 2.6 and there were changes in that when I tried to install
>mailman I got this:


Mailman 2.1.11 is not compatible with Python 2.6. Python 2.4 (if
properly installed) should be fine; also 2.5.


>Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
>Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
>bin/update:37: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use
>hashlib instead
>  import md5
>/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module
>is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
>  import sha
>Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "bin/update", line 51, in 
>from Mailman import MailList
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in 
>from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in 
>from Archiver import *
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in 
>from Mailman import Mailbox
>  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in 
>import mailbox
>  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in 
>import email.message
>ImportError: No module named message
>make: *** [update] Error 1


This is one of the Python 2.6 incompatibilities.


>I copied over the 2.4 mailbox.py file to 2.6 and then I could compile
>everything with the sha and md5 warnings, which are supposedly no big
>deal, and I got one tiny change:
>
>/usr/sbin/newlist:96: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated;
>use the hashlib module instead
>  import sha
>Memory fault
>
>What should I do next?  Help!


Make sure you have good backups of your Mailman lists/ and
archives/private/ directories at a minimum.

Make sure you have a working Python installation no older than 2.4.x
and no newer than 2.5.x.

Configure Mailman 2.1.11 with the appropriate prefix, var-prefix, etc
to match your existing installation and make install.


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[Mailman-Users] Help - Mailman programs all do "Memory Fault' on Linux, here's what I tried to fix it

[Don Steiny]

Hi,

I am  on Debian 2.6.8.  I used apt-get to update Python to 2-4 and
the latest version of mailman.  I used one archive in sources.list;

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free

When I attempt to start it I get this message:

#
# /etc/init.d/mailman start
* Site list for mailman (usually named mailman) missing.
* Please create it; until then, mailman will refuse to start.

Searching around the web I found I needed to create a list mailman
(though I have not figured out why it was not seeing my existing lists,
that is for later) I got this;
# newlist mailman
Memory fault

I thought the problem might be with the debian mailmail I went to
sourceforge and downloaded and installed 2.1.11 and nothing changed. I
though the problem might be with Python, I downlaoded and installed
Python 2.6 and there were changes in that when I tried to install
mailman I got this:
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/i18n.py ...
Compiling /var/lib/mailman/Mailman/versions.py ...
bin/update:37: DeprecationWarning: the md5 module is deprecated; use
hashlib instead
  import md5
/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Utils.py:32: DeprecationWarning: the sha module
is deprecated; use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/update", line 51, in 
from Mailman import MailList
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/MailList.py", line 51, in 
from Mailman.Archiver import Archiver
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/__init__.py", line 17, in 
from Archiver import *
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Archiver/Archiver.py", line 32, in 
from Mailman import Mailbox
  File "/var/lib/mailman/Mailman/Mailbox.py", line 21, in 
import mailbox
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.6/mailbox.py", line 19, in 
import email.message
ImportError: No module named message
make: *** [update] Error 1

I copied over the 2.4 mailbox.py file to 2.6 and then I could compile
everything with the sha and md5 warnings, which are supposedly no big
deal, and I got one tiny change:

/usr/sbin/newlist:96: DeprecationWarning: the sha module is deprecated;
use the hashlib module instead
  import sha
Memory fault

What should I do next?  Help!

-Don


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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Abdul Javid]

Thanks,
 
I apologize all for multiple emails on this, this was not intentional, some how 
browser and yahoo client errorer out and shoot out multiple copies.
 


--- On Fri, 8/29/08, Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

From: Mark Sapiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], mailman-users@python.org
Date: Friday, August 29, 2008, 9:57 AM

Abdul Javid wrote:
> 
>This was working fine before. 
> 
>I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in
options my yahoo.
> 
>The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email
not as file.
> 
>Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file
with following for every email
> 
>-Inline Attachment Follows-
> 
> 
>Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and
now viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in body
of message itself.
> 
>thanks in advance.


This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

(saving clutter by answering all five posts with one reply)

Something has changed in the message you are sending, or perhaps the
issue comes about in Mailman because you have added a msg_header and
or msg_footer. In any case there's not much that we could definitively
say without seeing the actual raw message.

In any case, be sure that msg_header an msg_footer on the Non-digest
options page are empty (not just blank, but truly empty) and see if
that helps.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Brad Knowles]

Abdul Javid wrote:


if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") {
 var YAHOO = {};
}


This user has been set to moderated status.  When they learn how to avoid 
submitting multiple copies of the same message to the mailing list, they can 
try to convince me that I should clear their moderation bit.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Mark Sapiro]

Abdul Javid wrote:
> 
>This was working fine before. 
> 
>I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in options my 
>yahoo.
> 
>The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email not 
>as file.
> 
>Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file with 
>following for every email
> 
>-Inline Attachment Follows-
> 
> 
>Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and 
>now viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in 
>body of message itself.
> 
>thanks in advance.


This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

This is a Yahoo question.

(saving clutter by answering all five posts with one reply)

Something has changed in the message you are sending, or perhaps the
issue comes about in Mailman because you have added a msg_header and
or msg_footer. In any case there's not much that we could definitively
say without seeing the actual raw message.

In any case, be sure that msg_header an msg_footer on the Non-digest
options page are empty (not just blank, but truly empty) and see if
that helps.

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San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan

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[Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Abdul Javid]

 


if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") {
 var YAHOO = {};
}
YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {};
YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = [];
YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Help with html embed";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = {
"lw_1220013571_0": {
"text": "my yahoo",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 298,
"endchar": 305,
"start": 298,
"end": 305,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.486731,
"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/organization/company/yahoo_property"],
"category": ["ORGANIZATION"],
"wikiId": "Yahoo%21",
"relatedWikiIds": ["AOL", "Google", "Jerry_Yang", "Microsoft", "MySpace", 
"Time_Warner", "Yahoo%21_360%c2%b0", "Yahoo%21_Finance", "Yahoo%21_Japan", 
"Yahoo%21_Mail"],
"relatedEntities": ["10news.com", "click2houston.com", "clickondetroit.com", 
"ksat.com", "newsnet5.com", "thebostonchannel.com", "thehawaiichannel.com", 
"thepittsburghchannel.com", "wpbf.com", "yahoo"],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "html file as email attachement and use \u0022html\u0022 in options 
my yahoo.   The idea was to send the html file for readers",
"metaData": {
"domain_url": "",
"visible": "true",
"yprop_description": "Personalize Yahoo!'s content by collecting your favorite 
features in one page.",
"yprop_name": "My Yahoo!",
"yprop_url": "http://my.yahoo.com/";
}
 },
"lw_1220013571_1": {
"text": "mailman mailing list",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 756,
"endchar": 775,
"start": 756,
"end": 775,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.248341,
"type": ["shortcuts:/concept"],
"category": ["CONCEPT"],
"wikiId": "",
"relatedWikiIds": [],
"relatedEntities": [],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "Attachment Follows-   Any help is appreciated, i used 
this for mailman mailing list in my org and now viewers are being prompted to",
"metaData": {
"visible": "false"
}
 }
};








Hi
 
This was working fine before. 
 
I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in options my 
yahoo.
 
The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email not 
as file.
 
Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file with 
following for every email
 
-Inline Attachment Follows-
 
 
Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and now 
viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in body of 
message itself.
 
thanks in advance.


  
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[Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Abdul Javid]

Hi
 
This was working fine before. 
 
I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in options my 
yahoo.
 
The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email not 
as file.
 
Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file with 
following for every email
 
-Inline Attachment Follows-
 
 
Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and now 
viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in body of 
message itself.
 
thanks in advance.


  
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[Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Abdul Javid]

if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") {
 var YAHOO = {};
}
YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {};
YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = [];
YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Help with html embed";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = {
"lw_1220013571_0": {
"text": "my yahoo",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 298,
"endchar": 305,
"start": 298,
"end": 305,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.486731,
"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/organization/company/yahoo_property"],
"category": ["ORGANIZATION"],
"wikiId": "Yahoo%21",
"relatedWikiIds": ["AOL", "Google", "Jerry_Yang", "Microsoft", "MySpace", 
"Time_Warner", "Yahoo%21_360%c2%b0", "Yahoo%21_Finance", "Yahoo%21_Japan", 
"Yahoo%21_Mail"],
"relatedEntities": ["10news.com", "click2houston.com", "clickondetroit.com", 
"ksat.com", "newsnet5.com", "thebostonchannel.com", "thehawaiichannel.com", 
"thepittsburghchannel.com", "wpbf.com", "yahoo"],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "html file as email attachement and use \u0022html\u0022 in options 
my yahoo.   The idea was to send the html file for readers",
"metaData": {
"domain_url": "",
"visible": "true",
"yprop_description": "Personalize Yahoo!'s content by collecting your favorite 
features in one page.",
"yprop_name": "My Yahoo!",
"yprop_url": "http://my.yahoo.com/";
}
 },
"lw_1220013571_1": {
"text": "mailman mailing list",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 756,
"endchar": 775,
"start": 756,
"end": 775,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.248341,
"type": ["shortcuts:/concept"],
"category": ["CONCEPT"],
"wikiId": "",
"relatedWikiIds": [],
"relatedEntities": [],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "Attachment Follows-   Any help is appreciated, i used 
this for mailman mailing list in my org and now viewers are being prompted to",
"metaData": {
"visible": "false"
}
 }
};








Hi
 
This was working fine before. 
 
I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in options my 
yahoo.
 
The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email not 
as file.
 
Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file with 
following for every email
 
-Inline Attachment Follows-
 
 
Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and now 
viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in body of 
message itself.
 
thanks in advance.


  
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[Abdul Javid]

if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") {
 var YAHOO = {};
}
YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {};
YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = [];
YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Help with html embed";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = {
"lw_1220013571_0": {
"text": "my yahoo",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 298,
"endchar": 305,
"start": 298,
"end": 305,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.486731,
"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/organization/company/yahoo_property"],
"category": ["ORGANIZATION"],
"wikiId": "Yahoo%21",
"relatedWikiIds": ["AOL", "Google", "Jerry_Yang", "Microsoft", "MySpace", 
"Time_Warner", "Yahoo%21_360%c2%b0", "Yahoo%21_Finance", "Yahoo%21_Japan", 
"Yahoo%21_Mail"],
"relatedEntities": ["10news.com", "click2houston.com", "clickondetroit.com", 
"ksat.com", "newsnet5.com", "thebostonchannel.com", "thehawaiichannel.com", 
"thepittsburghchannel.com", "wpbf.com", "yahoo"],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "html file as email attachement and use \u0022html\u0022 in options 
my yahoo.   The idea was to send the html file for readers",
"metaData": {
"domain_url": "",
"visible": "true",
"yprop_description": "Personalize Yahoo!'s content by collecting your favorite 
features in one page.",
"yprop_name": "My Yahoo!",
"yprop_url": "http://my.yahoo.com/";
}
 },
"lw_1220013571_1": {
"text": "mailman mailing list",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 756,
"endchar": 775,
"start": 756,
"end": 775,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.248341,
"type": ["shortcuts:/concept"],
"category": ["CONCEPT"],
"wikiId": "",
"relatedWikiIds": [],
"relatedEntities": [],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "Attachment Follows-   Any help is appreciated, i used 
this for mailman mailing list in my org and now viewers are being prompted to",
"metaData": {
"visible": "false"
}
 }
};








Hi
 
This was working fine before. 
 
I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in options my 
yahoo.
 
The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email not 
as file.
 
Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file with 
following for every email
 
-Inline Attachment Follows-
 
 
Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and now 
viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in body of 
message itself.
 
thanks in advance.


  
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[Mailman-Users] help with html in body of email message

[Abdul Javid]

if (typeof YAHOO == "undefined") {
 var YAHOO = {};
}
YAHOO.Shortcuts = YAHOO.Shortcuts || {};
YAHOO.Shortcuts.hasSensitiveText = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.sensitivityType = [];
YAHOO.Shortcuts.doUlt = false;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.location = "us";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_id = 0;
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_type = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_title = "Help with html embed";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_publish_date = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_author = "[EMAIL PROTECTED]";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_url = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_tags = "";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.document_language = "english";
YAHOO.Shortcuts.annotationSet = {
"lw_1220013571_0": {
"text": "my yahoo",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 298,
"endchar": 305,
"start": 298,
"end": 305,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.486731,
"type": ["shortcuts:/us/instance/organization/company/yahoo_property"],
"category": ["ORGANIZATION"],
"wikiId": "Yahoo%21",
"relatedWikiIds": ["AOL", "Google", "Jerry_Yang", "Microsoft", "MySpace", 
"Time_Warner", "Yahoo%21_360%c2%b0", "Yahoo%21_Finance", "Yahoo%21_Japan", 
"Yahoo%21_Mail"],
"relatedEntities": ["10news.com", "click2houston.com", "clickondetroit.com", 
"ksat.com", "newsnet5.com", "thebostonchannel.com", "thehawaiichannel.com", 
"thepittsburghchannel.com", "wpbf.com", "yahoo"],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "html file as email attachement and use \u0022html\u0022 in options 
my yahoo.   The idea was to send the html file for readers",
"metaData": {
"domain_url": "",
"visible": "true",
"yprop_description": "Personalize Yahoo!'s content by collecting your favorite 
features in one page.",
"yprop_name": "My Yahoo!",
"yprop_url": "http://my.yahoo.com/";
}
 },
"lw_1220013571_1": {
"text": "mailman mailing list",
"extended": 0,
"startchar": 756,
"endchar": 775,
"start": 756,
"end": 775,
"extendedFrom": "",
"predictedCategory": "",
"predictionProbability": "0",
"weight": 0.248341,
"type": ["shortcuts:/concept"],
"category": ["CONCEPT"],
"wikiId": "",
"relatedWikiIds": [],
"relatedEntities": [],
"showOnClick": [],
"context": "Attachment Follows-   Any help is appreciated, i used 
this for mailman mailing list in my org and now viewers are being prompted to",
"metaData": {
"visible": "false"
}
 }
};








Hi
 
This was working fine before. 
 
I used to attach html file as email attachement and use "html" in options my 
yahoo.
 
The idea was to send the html file for readers to see in body of the email not 
as file.
 
Not sure what changed recently am not able to do that, its goin as file with 
following for every email
 
-Inline Attachment Follows-
 
 
Any help is appreciated, i used this for mailman mailing list in my org and now 
viewers are being prompted to download files rather than showing up in body of 
message itself.
 
thanks in advance.


  
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Re: [Mailman-Users] HELP

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John Lieber wrote:

>I recently moved to a new server.  I did a new install, setup everything
>and it's all working great.  I went to import my 'old' member list via
>the web interface, only I forgot to select the radio button to NOT
>notify the members of their subscription.  How do I kill the mail that
>is trying to be sent out?  Right now I shutdown postfix/mailman and even
>the network adapter.


There are better ways to move lists such as just moving the
lists/listname/config.pck files.

But, to your immediate plea, I suspect all the mail is already in
Postfix. Use 'mailq' to list that mail and 'postsuper' to remove the
ones you don't want.

If there are any messages left in Mailman, they will be in
qfiles/virgin/ and/or qfiles/out/. You can use bin/show_qfiles (e.g.
bin/show_qfiles qfiles/virgin/*) to look at the entries and just
remove those you don't want.

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[Mailman-Users] HELP

[John Lieber]

I recently moved to a new server.  I did a new install, setup everything
and it's all working great.  I went to import my 'old' member list via
the web interface, only I forgot to select the radio button to NOT
notify the members of their subscription.  How do I kill the mail that
is trying to be sent out?  Right now I shutdown postfix/mailman and even
the network adapter.

 

I really don't want to deal with the 'hundreds' of emails from the
members asking if they have been subscribed to 'another' list...

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

John

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! "Recipient list too long" message is held for approval

[Bill Christensen]

The acceptable number of recipients can be adjusted at:

http:///mailman/admin//privacy/recipient

Ceiling on acceptable number of recipients for a posting.
(Details for max_num_recipients)

Defaults to 10



At 8:48 AM -0700 5/23/08, Knabe, Troy wrote:

On 5/23/08 8:14 AM, "webct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

We are using mailman which comes with Mac OS X server 10.5.  I think,
I have set it up correctly for most of the part but there is one
lingering issue with sending a message with other email addresses.

I get "Recipient list too long" error message and the email is held
for moderator's approval.  How do I make mailman remember to send
messages across with long list of recipients.

Thanks.
fuzbuz.



Under "Privacy Optionis" and "Recipient Filters" there is a "Ceiling 
on acceptable number of recipients for a posting".  I believe the 
default value is 10.  This has nothing to do with the number of list 
members, but the number of other addresses in the To:, CC:, and BCC: 
fields of the email that causes this be invoked.


-Troy



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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! "Recipient list too long" message is held for approval

[Knabe, Troy]

On 5/23/08 8:14 AM, "webct" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,

We are using mailman which comes with Mac OS X server 10.5.  I think,
I have set it up correctly for most of the part but there is one
lingering issue with sending a message with other email addresses.

I get "Recipient list too long" error message and the email is held
for moderator's approval.  How do I make mailman remember to send
messages across with long list of recipients.

Thanks.
fuzbuz.



Under "Privacy Optionis" and "Recipient Filters" there is a "Ceiling on 
acceptable number of recipients for a posting".  I believe the default value is 
10.  This has nothing to do with the number of list members, but the number of 
other addresses in the To:, CC:, and BCC: fields of the email that causes this 
be invoked.

-Troy



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[Mailman-Users] Help! "Recipient list too long" message is held for approval

[webct]

Hi,

We are using mailman which comes with Mac OS X server 10.5.  I think,  
I have set it up correctly for most of the part but there is one  
lingering issue with sending a message with other email addresses.


I get "Recipient list too long" error message and the email is held  
for moderator's approval.  How do I make mailman remember to send  
messages across with long list of recipients.


Thanks.
fuzbuz.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases

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Melinda Gilmore wrote:

>I have been a good girl and have been looking in the archives.  But I am
>missing something here.  I cannot get my mailman to update the aliases
>database.  I check the setting in the manual.   I am running mailman with
>postifx.  I have looked at the newlist --help and I just cannot get my alias
>db to update.  I hate to have to do this manually.
>
>Any guidance would be great.


What is the problem?

Is Mailman updating data/aliases? If not, do you have

MTA = 'Postfix'

in mm_cfg.py? If Mailman is updating its data/aliases, but aliases.db
is not being updated, Mailman should be running the command defined as

POSTFIX_ALIAS_CMD

(default is '/usr/sbin/postalias') with the path to data/aliases as its
argument after it updates data/aliases.

What happens when you run bin/newlist. Does it give you a list of
aliases to add manually? If so, you are missing the MTA = 'Postfix' in
mm_cfg.py.

Does bin/newlist give some error? If so, what?

See .

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases

Melinda,

Maybe instead of manually editing aliases - you can simply regenerate
your aliases on a periodic basis.  You can use mailman/bin/genaliases to
do that... If you place a delimiter in your aliases file, you can use
something like the attached script to regenerate your entire
/etc/aliases file.

--->8---
#!/bin/perl
# quick and very dirty alias regenerator
# 
#!/bin/perl
$DELIM="#%STARTMMALIASES%";
$GENALIASES='/var/mailman/bin/genaliases -q';
@OUT=`$GENALIASES`;
@IN=`cat /etc/aliases`;
for (@IN){
chomp;
print "$_\n";
last if $_=~/($DELIM)/msg;
}
for (@OUT) {
print "$_";
}
$out=`$NEWLIASES`;
---8<---

And simply insert "#%STARTMMALIASES%" into your /etc/aliases just before
your mailman aliases.  You'll probably want to wrap some error checking
around it so you don't clobber your aliases file.

Granted... If you've got volumes of lists - it may not make sense to
regenerate very often but at least it will be automated.

Best,
Mike



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From: Melinda Gilmore [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:05 PM
To: Lynn, Michael (A&E)
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases


Thanks for trying,  but that is my problem.  The instructions I am
finding
to set it up automatically are not working for me. 

-Original Message-
From: Lynn, Michael (A&E) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 3:02 PM
To: Melinda Gilmore; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases

Woops - stock newlist doesn't add to /etc/aliases automatically... The
alias
command I suggested won't help.

-Original Message-
From: Lynn, Michael (A&E)
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:59 PM
To: 'Melinda Gilmore'; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases


Maybe I missed something but - Isn't it just a "/usr/bin/newaliases"?

Unless you have some other automation wrapped around the call to newlist
- you could easily create an alias:

alias newlist='/bin/newlist;/usr/bin/newaliases'

This limits your command line options - but will save you a couple
keystrokes.

You could also schedule a call to newaliases via cron - but that seems
like overkill.

Mike



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Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:49 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases


I have been a good girl and have been looking in the archives.  But I am
missing something here.  I cannot get my mailman to update the aliases
database.  I check the setting in the manual.   I am running mailman
with
postifx.  I have looked at the newlist --help and I just cannot get my
alias
db to update.  I hate to have to do this manually.

Any guidance would be great.

Melinda Gilmore
Systems Engineer
The Ohio State University
Enterprise Messaging/OIT
614-292-4953

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases

Woops - stock newlist doesn't add to /etc/aliases automatically... The
alias command I suggested won't help.

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From: Lynn, Michael (A&E) 
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:59 PM
To: 'Melinda Gilmore'; mailman-users@python.org
Subject: RE: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases


Maybe I missed something but - Isn't it just a "/usr/bin/newaliases"?

Unless you have some other automation wrapped around the call to newlist
- you could easily create an alias:

alias newlist='/bin/newlist;/usr/bin/newaliases'

This limits your command line options - but will save you a couple
keystrokes.

You could also schedule a call to newaliases via cron - but that seems
like overkill.

Mike



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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf
Of Melinda Gilmore
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:49 PM
To: mailman-users@python.org
Subject: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases


I have been a good girl and have been looking in the archives.  But I am
missing something here.  I cannot get my mailman to update the aliases
database.  I check the setting in the manual.   I am running mailman
with
postifx.  I have looked at the newlist --help and I just cannot get my
alias
db to update.  I hate to have to do this manually.

Any guidance would be great.

Melinda Gilmore
Systems Engineer
The Ohio State University
Enterprise Messaging/OIT
614-292-4953

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with aliases

Maybe I missed something but - Isn't it just a "/usr/bin/newaliases"?

Unless you have some other automation wrapped around the call to newlist
- you could easily create an alias:

alias newlist='/bin/newlist;/usr/bin/newaliases'

This limits your command line options - but will save you a couple
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You could also schedule a call to newaliases via cron - but that seems
like overkill.

Mike



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I have been a good girl and have been looking in the archives.  But I am
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database.  I check the setting in the manual.   I am running mailman
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postifx.  I have looked at the newlist --help and I just cannot get my
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db to update.  I hate to have to do this manually.

Any guidance would be great.

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[Mailman-Users] Help with aliases

[Melinda Gilmore]

I have been a good girl and have been looking in the archives.  But I am
missing something here.  I cannot get my mailman to update the aliases
database.  I check the setting in the manual.   I am running mailman with
postifx.  I have looked at the newlist --help and I just cannot get my alias
db to update.  I hate to have to do this manually.

Any guidance would be great.

Melinda Gilmore
Systems Engineer
The Ohio State University
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614-292-4953

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help to use

[Mark Sapiro]

Ramea Vladislav wrote:
> 
> But if you not a LINUX/UNIX admin, isn't for you easier to use
> free mailing list? For example here?
> 
> http://www.bravenet.com/webtools/elist/

Or set up a list with a hosting service that offers Mailman hosting. See 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help to use

[Rameš Vladislav]

Hello,

I'm afraid that mailman withouth UNIX/LINUX is quite problem:

http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.006.htp

I found some information here:

http://www.theadminzone.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-3488.html

or it can run under "cygwin"...

But if you not a LINUX/UNIX admin, isn't for you easier to use
free mailing list? For example here?

http://www.bravenet.com/webtools/elist/

Good luck.

I'm apologize for my english.

Vladislav Rames

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[Mailman-Users] Help to use

[Priscila Gomes Pereira]

I'm coordinator of an event and would like to use the Mailman. How can I do
it? I don't have a web server and my computer isn't Linux, is Windows.
Excuse the English full of errors.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Users - help

[Sarah]

Sure.
www.ultrahost.us.
There is a contact link on the page. they answer right away if they can. Tha'ts 
what impresses me and the person helping me never put me down or anything even 
though I felt like the questions I asked were dumb. The sign up process was 
quite easy.

SA&G
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To: Sarah 
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 3:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users - help


thanks Sarah,
do you have the contact info for ultrahost? how do you find them?
wendy
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  Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:31 PM
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  I don'tknwo if you can do that with mail man. I only use mail man as a list 
serve and ultrahost is hosting it for me.

  SA&G
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  Hi Sarah,
  I saw your email in the archives of the mailman site.  I'd like to set up a 
data base for my customers - have a few different folders I can set up for 
different mailings.

  It looks like you had some help with that - can you let me know how it's 
working for you, and how you imported your addresses into the mailman list.

  is there any cost associated with this?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of aspecific list

[Mark Sapiro]

Dragon wrote:
>
>You can change this by using the config_list script -o option to 
>output the configuration in text format, make the change there and 
>then re-import it using the -i option of the same script.


There are two problems with making changes via "config_list -o" "edit
the file" "config_list -i"

The first problem is this is generally extra and unnecessary work.
config_list -i only changes those settings in the input, so it is
sufficient to just make a file with the one or two settings you want
to change and use that as input to config_list.

The more significant issue is "config_list -o" only dumps those list
settings which are in the admin web interface, so in this case, unless
you have upgraded to 2.1.10b1, you won't see admin_member_chunksize in
the config_list output, and if you have upgraded to 2.1.10b1 or later,
you can just set it on the General Options page.

config_list -o is useful for backing up list settings before
experimenting with multiple changes or just to have a backup. It is
also useful for creating a template configuration to be applied to
other lists, but to just change a few settings, the dump/edit/reload
scenario is generally overkill.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Charles Marcus]

Mark Sapiro, on 12/19/2007 1:36 PM, said the following:
> Charles Marcus wrote:
>> Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py...
>>
>> DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just 
>> counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it...
>>
>> Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman...

> Unfortunately, that won't help your existing lists. That only sets the
> default for new lists. The setting for an existing list is the
> admin_member_chunksize list attribute. Beginning in Mailman 2.1.10,
> this setting is available on the list's General Options page. In older
> versions, you need to do something like
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> cd ~mailman
> f=mktemp
> echo admin_member_chunksize = 50 > $f
> bin/config_list -i $f list_name
> rm $f

Ok, thanks! Makes sense to add this option to the web GUI - sounds like 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of aspecific list

[Mark Sapiro]

Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py...
>
>DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just 
>counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it...
>
>Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman...


Unfortunately, that won't help your existing lists. That only sets the
default for new lists. The setting for an existing list is the
admin_member_chunksize list attribute. Beginning in Mailman 2.1.10,
this setting is available on the list's General Options page. In older
versions, you need to do something like

#!/bin/bash
cd ~mailman
f=mktemp
echo admin_member_chunksize = 50 > $f
bin/config_list -i $f list_name
rm $f

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Dragon]

Charles Marcus sent the message below at 09:13 12/19/2007:
>Charles Marcus, on 12/19/2007 7:39 AM, said the following:
> > On 12/18/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >> On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership
> >> Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a
> >> certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by
> >> the first letter of their e-mail address.
>
> > Where is this default set? I had a list that mysteriously switched to
> > the view by letter mode, then a few days later, went back to listing
> > them all on a single page... from the above comment, I'm guessing that I
> > had added a member that put me over this limit, then removed one to put
> > me back under.
> >
> > I'd like to bump it up a tad, so that doesn't happen again. Our lists
> > are fairly static, and will not be growing significantly in the future.
>
>Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py...
>
>DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just
>counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it...
>
>Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman...
 End original message. -

Unfortunately, that will only change the setting for new lists, not 
existing ones.

The setting is stored in each list configuration when it is created 
and you would have to modify it for each list. You can see this by 
using the dumpdb script to examine the config.pck file for a list, 
the parameter is admin_member_chunksize.

You can change this by using the config_list script -o option to 
output the configuration in text format, make the change there and 
then re-import it using the -i option of the same script.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Brad Knowles]

On 12/19/07, Charles Marcus wrote:

>  Where is this default set?

 From /usr/local/mailman/Mailman/Defaults.py:

# How many members to display at a time on the admin cgi to unsubscribe them
# or change their options?
DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30

Note that I believe this is only consulted when creating the list. 
If you go into your mm_cfg.py file and set something else, that will 
affect all new lists created after that point, but I don't think it 
affects any current lists (which were created with the old setting).

If you search the FAQ Wizard for the string 
"DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE", you find that there is only one 
entry returned -- FAQ 4.30 at 
, 
which covers how to change this value for a list that has already 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Charles Marcus]

Charles Marcus, on 12/19/2007 7:39 AM, said the following:
> On 12/18/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>> On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership 
>> Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a 
>> certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by 
>> the first letter of their e-mail address.

> Where is this default set? I had a list that mysteriously switched to 
> the view by letter mode, then a few days later, went back to listing 
> them all on a single page... from the above comment, I'm guessing that I 
> had added a member that put me over this limit, then removed one to put 
> me back under.
> 
> I'd like to bump it up a tad, so that doesn't happen again. Our lists 
> are fairly static, and will not be growing significantly in the future.

Answering myself, found it digging through Defaults.py...

DEFAULT_ADMIN_MEMBER_CHUNKSIZE = 30 is the default, which I just 
counted, and I currently have 30, so that was it...

Bumped it up to 50 in mm_cfg.py and restarted mailman...

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Charles Marcus]

On 12/18/2007, Brad Knowles ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership 
> Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a 
> certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by 
> the first letter of their e-mail address.

Where is this default set? I had a list that mysteriously switched to 
the view by letter mode, then a few days later, went back to listing 
them all on a single page... from the above comment, I'm guessing that I 
had added a member that put me over this limit, then removed one to put 
me back under.

I'd like to bump it up a tad, so that doesn't happen again. Our lists 
are fairly static, and will not be growing significantly in the future.

Thanks!

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Allan Hansen]

I have a web page (password protected) with a form that accepts requests to 
have the membership lists sent to the requester via email. The forms' CGI Perl 
script generates files on the server with these requests. A cron job with the 
proper privileges checks the file content and then uses the Mailman API to 
generate the list and send the file to the requestor if the requestor email is 
verified against an internal list of approved addresses for each list. Another 
form lets certain people (who are not list admins) enter and remove 
subscriptions. This form works the same way as the above.

Allan
>Hello,
>
> 
>
>We host several lists here and I would like to know how to list
>users/subscribers list by list.  Is there an easy way of doing that?
>
> 
>
>Thank you,
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Matthew Smith
>
>Tampa Bay Library Consortium
>
>813-622-8252 X229
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Brad Knowles]

On 12/19/07, Lev Lafayette wrote:

>  *nods* Which requires a "screen scrape" to get a copy of membership of
>  the mailing list in text form.

You can also get a copy of the list sent to you by using the e-mail 
interface.  See FAQ 3.62 at 
.

>  Yahoo groups for example has this feature for moderators
>  (members-download). It would be especially handy for mailman managers
>  who don't have access to the command line (for example, due to
>  restrictions on their hosting service)

Mailman was not designed as a drop-in replacement for Yahoo!Groups. 
See FAQ 1.26 at 
.

It also was not designed to be used in a hosting environment.  See 
FAQ 1.32 at 
.


That said, we recognize that users want such features regardless, 
hence the Mailman RFE page at SourceForge.  And we'll do our best to 
implement the features we consider to be most important, as our time 
and other resources allow.

Of course, this is a purely volunteer-supported open source project, 
so if there's some feature you have a burning desire to have 
implemented then the easiest way to get that into the standard code 
base is for you to get (or pay) someone else to do that for you, and 
then contribute that code back to our project.  Then we can look at 
that code and determine whether or not it can be incorporated into an 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Lev Lafayette]

On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 17:03 -0600, Brad Knowles wrote:
> On 12/19/07, Lev Lafayette wrote:
> 
> >  You know... I've been thinking that this would be a really handy on the
> >  web admin interface as well as the command line.
> 
> On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership 
> Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a 
> certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by 
> the first letter of their e-mail address.

*nods* Which requires a "screen scrape" to get a copy of membership of
the mailing list in text form.

> 
> >  (Apologies if it does already exist as an option I simply haven't
> >  noticed it)
> 
> For lists with hundreds of thousands of subscribers (and yes, there 
> are some Mailman lists that large), putting all this on a single web 
> page wouldn't be very feasible.  For smaller lists, I can see the 
> value.
> 

Yahoo groups for example has this feature for moderators
(members-download). It would be especially handy for mailman managers
who don't have access to the command line (for example, due to
restrictions on their hosting service)

> If you check the Mailman RFE (Request for Feature Enhancement) page 
> at , I 
> imagine that you should see a request from someone else for precisely 
> this option.

Thanks for that.

All the best,


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users ofa specific list

[Mark Sapiro]

Lev Lafayette wrote:
>
>You know... I've been thinking that this would be a really handy on the
>web admin interface as well as the command line.


Not per se, but see 
(also linked from the list's listinfo page).

>(Apologies if it does already exist as an option I simply haven't
>noticed it)


>Mailman FAQ: http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

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On 12/19/07, Lev Lafayette wrote:

>  You know... I've been thinking that this would be a really handy on the
>  web admin interface as well as the command line.

On the web interface, the closest we get is the "Membership 
Management" section.  If you have more users on the list than a 
certain built-in site-wide default, then this will be broken down by 
the first letter of their e-mail address.

>  (Apologies if it does already exist as an option I simply haven't
>  noticed it)

For lists with hundreds of thousands of subscribers (and yes, there 
are some Mailman lists that large), putting all this on a single web 
page wouldn't be very feasible.  For smaller lists, I can see the 
value.

If you check the Mailman RFE (Request for Feature Enhancement) page 
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Lev Lafayette]

You know... I've been thinking that this would be a really handy on the
web admin interface as well as the command line.

(Apologies if it does already exist as an option I simply haven't
noticed it)

Regards,


Lev

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

[Troy Knabe]

$prefix/mailman/bin/list_members $listname

-Troy

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[Mailman-Users] Help a newbie out! How to list users of a specific list

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Hello,

 

We host several lists here and I would like to know how to list
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

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mattias wrote:
>where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?
>
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Read the comments in Defaults.py they will tell you what you can set 
in mm_cfg.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

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mattias wrote:

>where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?


In Defaults.py

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

[mattias]

where can i find a list of mm_cfg.py variables?
 
 


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Hi

See in mm_cfg.py variables...

DEFAULT_EMAIL_HOST =
DEFAULT_URL_HOST   = 




2007/10/28, mattias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 

I created a mailing list with mailman
But instead of my domain the listadress are
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What are wrong??


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

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Ok i think i have find my answer
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mattias wrote:

>I created a mailing list with mailman
>But instead of my domain the listadress are 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>What are wrong??


Where are you seeing this address?

It could be an MTA/DNS issue, see
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq06.022.htp>.

It could be a Mailman configuration issue, see
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq04.029.htp>.

We need to know where you are seeing the address in order to give a more
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help!

[Mark Sapiro]

mattias wrote:

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>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>What are wrong??


Where are you seeing this address?

It could be an MTA/DNS issue, see
.

It could be a Mailman configuration issue, see
.

We need to know where you are seeing the address in order to give a
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[Mailman-Users] Help!

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I created a mailing list with mailman
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin

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On 10/1/07, J.R. Constance wrote:

>  I have been attempting, unsuccessfully, to configure SpamAssassin to
>  work with my Mailman installation using the "Add
>  "Global_Pipeline.inster(1,'SpamAssassin')" method (from FAQ 4.23). I
>  am hoping that someone who has been successful at implementing this
>  will be able to help me out.

That's not really the recommended way to perform anti-spam filtering 
on your system.  All anti-spam/anti-virus filtering really should be 
integrated into your MTA and done before you tell the other end "250 
Okay" at the end of the SMTP dialog.

Otherwise you're accepting spam and taking the serious risk that 
you'll generate a backscatter bounce to a forged address.

See FAQ 6.12 for one take on this type of solution.  And don't ignore 
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[Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin

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J.R. Constance writes:

 > I have been working through the instrucitons available at http:// 
 > www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/

I believe these instructions are pretty old, and SpamAssassin has
evolved significantly since then.

 > I get the following:
 > 
 > warn: Unknown option: a
 > Usage:
 >  spamd [options]

Confirmation of the "golden oldie" status of the instructions.  You
really should read the man page and other documentation for spamd,
spamassassin, and spamc.

 > i moved on to the next step (not using RPM's) which was:
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 > chkconfig --level 345 spamassassin on

AFAIK chkconfig is Red Hat/RPM-specific.  If you didn't install
SpamAssassin from RPMs, this isn't going to work.

 > error reading information on service spamassassin: No such file or  
 > directory

Consistent with the above guess.

Note that it's not a certainty that anybody here is a SpamAssassin
expert with experience on your platform.  While eventually you need to
work with Mailman, at this stage I strongly recommend you ask about
installing and testing SpamAssassin on platform and SpamAssassin
channels, too.

 > Anybody have any ideas why this isn't working, or recommendations for  
 > what else I can check?

First, a caution.  If you're serious about "locked-down" mode (eg,
having your lists spammed or your server turned into a spammer zombie
could cost your job), maybe you should hire an expert.  It's not
something that can be achieved by following recipes you find on the
web.  If you're willing to accept something more-or-less secure and
you're on a Red Hat system, then I would recommend installing both
SpamAssassin and Mailman from RPMs, and going on from there.

If/when you run into trouble, specify the vendor and version of your
OS, the versions of the Mailman and SpamAssassin packages, and
reproduce both commands and the informational and error messages that
they produce verbatim.

If you're not on Red Hat, we'll need the system details as above.

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[Mailman-Users] Help with SpamAssassin

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I have been attempting, unsuccessfully, to configure SpamAssassin to  
work with my Mailman installation using the "Add  
"Global_Pipeline.inster(1,'SpamAssassin')" method (from FAQ 4.23). I  
am hoping that someone who has been successful at implementing this  
will be able to help me out.

I have been working through the instrucitons available at http:// 
www.jamesh.id.au/articles/mailman-spamassassin/ and have been able to  
create the user acount and directory, but when I attempt to pass the  
arguments to spamd to get it to run in a locked down mode using the  
instructions (spamd -d -u spamassassin -x -a -P --virtual-config-dir=/ 
var/lib/spamassassin/%u.prefs) I get the following:

warn: Unknown option: a
Usage:
 spamd [options]

with a list of options that do not include an option "a" for crating  
automatic whitelists. Not sure that's a big deal so I removed the -a  
option and repeated the command, and that seemed to work OK.

i moved on to the next step (not using RPM's) which was:

chkconfig --level 345 spamassassin on

and I get the following:

error reading information on service spamassassin: No such file or  
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Anybody have any ideas why this isn't working, or recommendations for  
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Thanks,

J.R.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help interpreting message bounces

[Mark Sapiro]

Brad Knowles wrote:

>On 9/24/07, Steve Waage wrote:
>
>> The bounce addresses are disguised but legitimate ... the addresses
>>  that have been "Deferred" are not on my lists.   I may be missing a basic
>>  "spam-proofing" setting ??  Or have they just harvested my listnames in
>>  an attempt to get their junk-mail past others email spam-blockers??
>
>Odds are, they tried to spam you, you tried to auto-respond to them 
>to tell them that their message is being held pending human review, 


Or Mailman tried to respond with a 'non-member post rejected' message.


See Brad's original reply for the balance of his good advice.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help interpreting message bounces

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On 9/24/07, Steve Waage wrote:

> I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 5.5 and have been getting lots
>  of entries like the following in my syslog email every morning.

Syslog e-mail?  I'm not sure I understand what you're talking about. 
So far as I know, syslog is written to a file, and you can look at 
that file with any program that can pull in standard ASCII text.  But 
that file doesn't look anything like what you've displayed.

> The bounce addresses are disguised but legitimate ... the addresses
>  that have been "Deferred" are not on my lists.   I may be missing a basic
>  "spam-proofing" setting ??  Or have they just harvested my listnames in
>  an attempt to get their junk-mail past others email spam-blockers??

Odds are, they tried to spam you, you tried to auto-respond to them 
to tell them that their message is being held pending human review, 
but the auto-responses are not able to get back to them because they 
had forged a fake address in the first place.  This is a typical 
side-effect of the spam problem when combined with auto-replies from 
mailing list management software.

The technical term for this is "back scatter", which is being 
generated by your server in response to the spam.

> Can I prevent this?

You could configure Mailman to avoid auto-replies to messages where 
the sender is not subscribed and the message is being held for 
moderation, but that would be pretty unfriendly to the real human 
beings who try to use your list.

You've got to decide where you want to try to strike this balance 
with your servers.  If Mailman wasn't smart about avoiding excessive 
auto-replies to the same address, then you could be abused as a DDOS 
amplifier.

As it is, Mailman will only send a small number of auto-replies per 
day per sender address, so while it may generate a small amount of 
"back scatter" when configured like this, it can't really effectively 
be used as a DDOS amplifier.  Which means it's not all that dangerous 
to other sites.

So, it's annoying to you, but that's really the biggest problem it 
poses.  But there are some sites out there that will put you on a 
"back scatter" black list if you generate even one single example of 
back scatter to them, and you've got to weigh the risk of that 
against the significantly increased hassle to real human beings when 
they try to post legitimate messages to your system.

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[Mailman-Users] Help interpreting message bounces

[Steve Waage]

M-Users,
I'm running Mailman 2.1.5 on FreeBSD 5.5 and have been getting lots 
of entries like the following
in my syslog email every morning.
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l8K9iuKg061544 1320 Thu Sep 20 04:44 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 (Deferred: Name server: mail2.americantower.com.: host 
name l)
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
l8L6LsnB067909 1490 Fri Sep 21 01:21 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 (Deferred: Name server: tmtb.co.uk.: host name lookup 
failure)
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
l8K8TNKC061094 1551 Thu Sep 20 03:29 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
 (Deferred: Operation timed out with 
ainyx.nnecnisiamsapie.com)
 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-snip-
The bounce addresses are disguised but legitimate ... the addresses 
that have been
"Deferred" are not on my lists.   I may be missing a basic 
"spam-proofing" setting ??  Or
have they just harvested my listnames in an attempt to get their 
junk-mail past others
email spam-blockers??
Can I prevent this? 
Thanks,
Steve


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[Mailman-Users] help

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help please

[Brian Carpenter]

Hi Carlos:

Just to let you know we fully support mailman and have been doing so for
years now. We also have a knowledgeable php programmer on staff who has
developed some custom applications to work with mailman. Our programming
service is not free but we do offer reasonable rates. You can read more
about our mailman services at http://www.emwd.com/mailman.html. We are also
listed in the URL of mailman hosting providers that Brad has provided.

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On 8/24/07, carlos narváez wrote:

>  My host isn't offering any help and my searches are fruitless, also
>  the mailman docs don't seem to explain this, just the actual mailman
>  setup. I think i'm looking for php script but i don't know for sure.
>  Please help, Thanks.

Mailman is not designed to be used in a hosted 
environment without the host providing local 
support for their users.  If your hosting 
provider is not providing support, then you've 
got the wrong hosting provider.

The primary intended environment for Mailman is 
where you own the entire machine (or you 
effectively own it through a lease), and you've 
got full privileged access to all the affected 
systems.  There's lots of stuff that will 
probably need to be done on a periodic or ad-hoc 
basis to support the system, and some of those 
things require this level of access.  Therefore, 
if you try to use Mailman outside of this 
environment, you are then completely dependant on 
the hosting provider.


If you want to look for a more friendly provider, 
take a look at the Mailman FAQ Wizard page at 
<http://www.python.org/cgi-bin/faqw-mm.py?req=show&file=faq01.017.htp>.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help please

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/24/07, carlos narváez wrote:

>  My host isn't offering any help and my searches are fruitless, also
>  the mailman docs don't seem to explain this, just the actual mailman
>  setup. I think i'm looking for php script but i don't know for sure.
>  Please help, Thanks.

Mailman is not designed to be used in a hosted 
environment without the host providing local 
support for their users.  If your hosting 
provider is not providing support, then you've 
got the wrong hosting provider.

The primary intended environment for Mailman is 
where you own the entire machine (or you 
effectively own it through a lease), and you've 
got full privileged access to all the affected 
systems.  There's lots of stuff that will 
probably need to be done on a periodic or ad-hoc 
basis to support the system, and some of those 
things require this level of access.  Therefore, 
if you try to use Mailman outside of this 
environment, you are then completely dependant on 
the hosting provider.


If you want to look for a more friendly provider, 
take a look at the Mailman FAQ Wizard page at 
.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help please

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carlos narváez wrote:
> Hi: I'm a bit of a newbie so bare with me. I'm trying to figure out
> how to setup a newsletter submission field for my sites
> www.aerolineasmexicanas.com.mx and www.juegopixel.com , so i have
> mailman setup on my hosted server and a db created in it, but i don't
> know where to get the script for my page itself and then how to do
> the rest of the setup. There has to be some kind of instruction for
> this process somewhere online i just have no idea where. Can someone
> please point me in the right direction?  My host isn't offering any
> help and my searches are fruitless, also the mailman docs don't seem
> to explain this, just the actual mailman setup. I think i'm looking
> for php script but i don’t know for sure. Please help, Thanks. 


If I understand correctly, you are trying to set something up to post to
a Mailman list from a web form. Mailman is designed to receive posts by
email, not by web forms. You are correct that you would need some php,
java or other kind of script in your web page to email the post to the
Mailman list. Such a thing would not be hard to create, but I am not
aware of any that exist.

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[Mailman-Users] Help please

[carlos narváez]

Hi: I'm a bit of a newbie so bare with me. I'm trying to figure out how to 
setup a newsletter submission field for my sites www.aerolineasmexicanas.com.mx 
and www.juegopixel.com , so i have mailman setup on my hosted server and a db 
created in it, but i don't know where to get the script for my page itself and 
then how to do the rest of the setup. There has to be some kind of instruction 
for this process somewhere online i just have no idea where. Can someone please 
point me in the right direction?  My host isn't offering any help and my 
searches are fruitless, also the mailman docs don't seem to explain this, just 
the actual mailman setup. I think i'm looking for php script but i don’t know 
for sure. Please help, Thanks.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help syncronizing privite/public archives

[Brad Knowles]

On 8/6/07, Mario Silva wrote:

>  I have a server running Mailman software version 2.1.5 , and my boss told me
>  the Mailman server did stop to synchronize the public and private archives
>  before July 2006, we do not why and I’ve been trying to read about how to
>  solve this issue.

Mailman doesn't "synchronize" archives of any sort, either private or public.

Can you explain in more detail what it is that 
was previously happening but which doesn't happen 
now?  Maybe then we'll be more likely to be able 
to help.

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[Mailman-Users] Help syncronizing privite/public archives

[Mario Silva]

Hi all:

 

This is Mario Silva, and I am asking you assistance with an issue
administering Mailman software.

 

First at all, I am completely new administering Mailman software, so please
if you can help me I ask you patient if I reply your email asking you more
details about your answer.

 

Another issue is, if you do not understand what I am asking please do  not
hesitate to reply my email in order to give you back more details about my
situation.

 

I have a server running Mailman software version 2.1.5 , and my boss told me
the Mailman server did stop to synchronize the public and private archives
before July 2006, we do not why and I’ve been trying to read about how to
solve this issue. 

 

Can someone please help me out whit this issue ?

 

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Re: [Mailman-Users] help please

[Brad Knowles]

On 7/28/07, Mike Grothem wrote:

>  I have the website www.sevensorrows.com   and
>  it is hosted through superuser.net. I am going to transfer to a new host,
>  but I am afraid of losing your service and all of my contacts.

We do not run superuser.net.  We have no knowledge of how your 
systems are set up with your provider.

If you have any mailing lists that are hosted with the mailing list 
management system known as Mailman, we may be able to provide some 
advice in how you can copy your list configuration and subscription 
information to a new provider, but a lot of those sorts of things 
assume that you have direct privileged command-line access to the 
server where Mailman is running, and based on your description you 
almost certainly don't have that.  There are some things that can be 
done with just the web interface, but that may not be enough to meet 
all your desires and needs.

I think you need to talk to both your old and your new provider, and 
see if they can help you with transitioning all your services over. 
If the reason you are transferring to a new provider is that you've 
been having problems with the old one, then the old provider may not 
be very helpful in terms of getting your data copied over, so you 
might want to talk to your new provider first.


But we don't run the systems at either place, so there's nothing we 
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[Mailman-Users] help please

[Mike Grothem]

Hello,

 

I have the website www.sevensorrows.com   and
it is hosted through superuser.net. I am going to transfer to a new host,
but I am afraid of losing your service and all of my contacts. Is there a
way to save them? I don't even know my username and password with you
because I just login from the link on the my server control panel. I know
that my list is called SevenSorrowsMailingList and my password is ignatius,
but that doesn't login on your site. Do I have a different username on your
site?

 

Thank you

 

God Bless You,

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[Mailman-Users] Help

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! -- Approved messages are discarded, and administration interface won't update

[Mark Sapiro]

N U wrote:
> Hi folks,I need some help here. Your advice will be appreciated. As
> indicated in the subject, there's re two issues (they may be related
> somehow):1. The administration web interfaces for all the list won't
> update anything.


Brad has already replied with a list of relevant FAQ articles.


> 2. I tried to use email reply to
> approve held messages but failed. I do receive confirmation email
> saying the approval was successful, but the lines upon the approval
> message in log file "vette" are like this:May 09 16:12:36 2007 (2035)
> test: Discarded posting:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject:
> test

Are you including an

Approved: list_password

header or initial body line in your email confirm command message?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Help! -- Approved messages are discarded, and administration interface won't update

[Brad Knowles]

On 5/13/07, N U wrote:

>  Hi folks,I need some help here. Your advice will be appreciated. As
>  indicated in the subject, there's re two issues (they may be related
>  somehow): 1. The administration web interfaces for all the list won't
>  update anything. For example, if I try to approve a held message, the
>  message will remain held. If I try to add a new member to a list, the
>  new email won't be added at all.

There are a variety of potential causes for this problem.  Some of 
them are detailed in FAQs 4.45, 4.65, 4.69, and 4.71.

>  2. I tried to use email reply to approve held messages but failed. I
>  do receive confirmation email saying the approval was successful, but
>  the lines upon the approval message in log file "vette" are like this:
>  May 09 16:12:36 2007 (2035) test: Discarded posting:
>  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: testThis started a few weeks ago.
>  Newly created lists have such same problem as the existing lists.

Sounds to me like you're somehow triggering one of the anti-spam or 
mail filtering rules, which results in a "discard" action.  Check 
your anti-spam settings, and check your mail filtering settings. 
Also try searching the FAQ for "discard", and the archives of the 
list.

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[Mailman-Users] Help! -- Approved messages are discarded, and administration interface won't update

[N U]

Hi folks,I need some help here. Your advice will be appreciated. As indicated 
in the subject, there's re two issues (they may be related somehow):1. The 
administration web interfaces for all the list won't update anything. For 
example, if I try to approve a held message, the message will remain held. If I 
try to add a new member to a list, the new email won't be added at all. 2. I 
tried to use email reply to approve held messages but failed. I do receive 
confirmation email saying the approval was successful, but the lines upon the 
approval message in log file "vette" are like this:May 09 16:12:36 2007 (2035) 
test: Discarded posting:From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: 
testThis started a few weeks ago. Newly created lists have such same problem as 
the existing lists. Thanks!Harry
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