Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 17 Feb 2015, at 17:56, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: On 17 Feb 2015, at 15:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? I've always strenuously ignored Sent Messages folders, so if this is going to mess something up behind the scenes, please tell me. I don't see any problem with that. Except, it belatedly occurred to me, that doing so means I won't see my sent mail when I'm on an iOS device, or otherwise not using MailMate, until MailMate has been run and triggered the rule. So I'm back to BCC:ing myself. Happily, a bit of digging turned up ticket 557, http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/557-request-auto-bcc-option-to-from-address, with its (otherwise undocumented?) way of automagically BCCing whatever address I'm sending from. That was pretty much the last feature I needed to tip me over into buying a license! -- Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 19 Feb 2015, at 23:10, David Morrison wrote: The way e-mail is going nowadays, it needs to be able to be accessed on whatever device you are currently using. Not only that, but the configuration etc. would need to be synchronised across devices. WebMail offers this and now it's being demanded for client apps. If I use features only Mailmate supports, it will require me to only access my e-mail from the computer with Mailmate. Can't get too comfy with MailMate! :) While this will suit a lot of people, the vast majority are wanting the flexibility of accessing their mail from computer, phone, tablet, web browser, kiosk, etc. I'm one of those, but I'm now warming up to different strengths, advantages and experiences when accessing from these different sources. However, having to configure on one machine and then another is something I wish to only remember. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 2015-02-18 02:24, Fredrik Jonsson wrote: I used to have a lot of rules that moved both received and sent mails to folders per person/company/project etc. Always fretting where to stora mail, "Is this more project or company or ". With MailMate I dump everything I have processed in to "Archive" and let all sent mails stay in "Sent". Quick and easy. True, and MailMate's smart folder feature is indeed a thing of beauty. However, after twenty years of using and dealing with email, of having loved Eudora until it expired, of having been forced to use Outlook under various flavors of Windows, of having used Apple Mail until its integration with Gmail broke horribly, and finally having moved my mail from Gmail to a personal host with MailMate as my primary (but not unique) mail access program, I'm not willing to file my mail in such a way that *only* MailMate will be able to intelligently retrieve it for me. My mail client must be smart enough to file my mail where I can find it without the use of my preferred mail client. And so I depend on rules. Absolutely! The way e-mail is going nowadays, it needs to be able to be accessed on whatever device you are currently using. If I use features only Mailmate supports, it will require me to only access my e-mail from the computer with Mailmate. While this will suit a lot of people, the vast majority are wanting the flexibility of accessing their mail from computer, phone, tablet, web browser, kiosk, etc. For example, if I am visiting a client, and need to check an e-mail to solve a problem, I do not want to have to go home to be able to find the message, then go back to the client to fix the problem. I want to be able to find it on my phone immediately. I know IMAP is not exactly the best protocol for e-mail, but it is all we have that allows this flexibility. Solutions that stick to IMAP are going to be most useful. (Unless Benny is planning to make IOS and Android versions of Mailmate) David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
If you haven't tried yet then I recommend using the Layout > Threaded which I made (with great help from Benny) that automatically fetches and shows all threads for *any* message removing (IMO) needs for doing custom thread-id lookups in the smart folders. Just a tip ;) /max Hi all, I actually had a fantastically helpful conversation on this mailing list that led to the following smart folder, "Threaded Inbox", which always has threading turned on: Any of: All of: Thread-id is in Inbox Thread-id Source > Path is Inbox/Sent Messages Message-id is not in Mailing Lists Message-Id All of: Thread-id is in Inbox Thread-id Source > Path is not Inbox/Sent Messages This has the effect of including whole conversations in my inbox so that my replies are included in threads (by sourcing from Sent Mail) and filtering out duplicates from mailing lists (by using the message-ids in the Mailing Lists smart folder), without BCCing myself or anything. Admittedly is is heavily reliant on MailMate's intelligence. But, I figure, stuff like this is exactly why I got the program. best, -- Marco On 17 Feb 2015, at 17:29, Shoshanna Green wrote: On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Allie Martin wrote: On 17 Feb 2015, at 9:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. How do you deal with list messages where a duplicate is sent back to you? Do you disable that feature on the mail server if you can? Or do you simply tolerate the duplications? Yes, exactly. It's much less of a problem than having conversations split in half! -- Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate /max http://about.me/maxandersen ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
**Addendum**: Ah, I just see that you are using a gmail address: This will not work with Gmail-accounts as they unfortunately throw away messages sent back from list server – one of the reasons for me not to use gmail. Then I would try to include a condition which catches mailing list postings in your send folder. But I don't have a conrete idea how to solve this. -- Gruß Mike___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 19 Feb 2015, at 5:59, David Morrison wrote:
That's fine if all your messages for a particular smart folder have
some common factor, such as a mailing list name. But what happens when
the mailing list changes its name or host or something?
I use this for my mailing lists:
- the IMAP sorts the mailing lists into folders like
"Mailinglisten/MailMate"
- in MailMate then I use a smart folder with
- Mailboxes:
- Conditions:(I use the path
because two of my mailing lists don't use the ListID-header, otherwise I
would use this)
- Submailboxes: Source.path.noinbox and mail box format
${#source.path.noinbox/Mailinglisten\///} (this will name the subfolders
by their folder name without the full path, like "MailMate")
If you then ever have a change in one of your mailing lists then you
only need to change the rule on the IMAP server and maybe to rename the
folder in case of a name change of the list.
Then I have another rule to filter out my mailing list postings out of
my combined Inbox/Sent smart folder:
- Mailboxes: ,
- Conditions:
When you then post to a mailing list, your sent mail will appear in your
Inbox/Send folder until you get your posting back from the list server.
I hope I understand your problem correctly and this will help. Maybe you
can transfer this logic to other use cases.
--
Gruß
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Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
Shoshanna Green 2015-02-17 15:02 wrote: But this morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. I used to have a lot of rules that moved both received and sent mails to folders per person/company/project etc. Always fretting where to stora mail, "Is this more project or company or ". With MailMate I dump everything I have processed in to "Archive" and let all sent mails stay in "Sent". Quick and easy. I then use MailMates (really) Smart folders to organise all mails (received and sent) according to person/company/project. With Smart folders one mail can "be in" several folders, person and project e.g. Many Smart folders are simply this: Mailboxes: All Messages Conditions: Any Address -> Domain is "example.com" MailMates smart folders and custom keybindings are for me its killer features. That's fine if all your messages for a particular smart folder have some common factor, such as a mailing list name. But what happens when the mailing list changes its name or host or something? Or if a project you are working on gets mail messages from random people. These sorts of message I file manually because no rule could ever pick them up reliably. How could smart folders work in these cases? I have been using e-mail for far too many years and have come across these situations too many times to be able to rely on smart folders to find what I want. Cheers David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 18 Feb 2015, at 14:17, Marco Carmosino wrote: Hi all, I actually had a fantastically helpful conversation on this mailing list that led to the following smart folder, "Threaded Inbox", which always has threading turned on: Any of: All of: Thread-id is in Inbox Thread-id Source > Path is Inbox/Sent Messages Message-id is not in Mailing Lists Message-Id All of: Thread-id is in Inbox Thread-id Source > Path is not Inbox/Sent Messages This has the effect of including whole conversations in my inbox so that my replies are included in threads (by sourcing from Sent Mail) and filtering out duplicates from mailing lists (by using the message-ids in the Mailing Lists smart folder), without BCCing myself or anything. I found this very interesting, but I had a question. How does one set up the entries: Source > Path is Inbox/Sent Messages or Source > Path is not Inbox/Sent Messages in either of the two lines above? For me, Source > Path is Inbox/Sent Messages causes the first "ALL" to not generate any emails, and in the second "ALL", the same emails are listed whether or not Source > Path is not Inbox/Sent Messages is in there. So I am guessing that I am making some error in how I set it up. Thank you, Ed___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
Hi all, I actually had a fantastically helpful conversation on this mailing list that led to the following smart folder, "Threaded Inbox", which always has threading turned on: Any of: All of: Thread-id is in Inbox Thread-id Source > Path is Inbox/Sent Messages Message-id is not in Mailing Lists Message-Id All of: Thread-id is in Inbox Thread-id Source > Path is not Inbox/Sent Messages This has the effect of including whole conversations in my inbox so that my replies are included in threads (by sourcing from Sent Mail) and filtering out duplicates from mailing lists (by using the message-ids in the Mailing Lists smart folder), without BCCing myself or anything. Admittedly is is heavily reliant on MailMate's intelligence. But, I figure, stuff like this is exactly why I got the program. best, -- Marco On 17 Feb 2015, at 17:29, Shoshanna Green wrote: On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Allie Martin wrote: On 17 Feb 2015, at 9:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. How do you deal with list messages where a duplicate is sent back to you? Do you disable that feature on the mail server if you can? Or do you simply tolerate the duplications? Yes, exactly. It's much less of a problem than having conversations split in half! -- Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 2015-02-18 02:24, Fredrik Jonsson wrote: I used to have a lot of rules that moved both received and sent mails to folders per person/company/project etc. Always fretting where to stora mail, "Is this more project or company or …". With MailMate I dump everything I have processed in to "Archive" and let all sent mails stay in "Sent". Quick and easy. True, and MailMate's smart folder feature is indeed a thing of beauty. However, after twenty years of using and dealing with email, of having loved Eudora until it expired, of having been forced to use Outlook under various flavors of Windows, of having used Apple Mail until its integration with Gmail broke horribly, and finally having moved my mail from Gmail to a personal host with MailMate as my primary (but not unique) mail access program, I'm not willing to file my mail in such a way that *only* MailMate will be able to intelligently retrieve it for me. My mail client must be smart enough to file my mail where I can find it without the use of my preferred mail client. And so I depend on rules. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
Shoshanna Green 2015-02-17 15:02 wrote: But this morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. I used to have a lot of rules that moved both received and sent mails to folders per person/company/project etc. Always fretting where to stora mail, "Is this more project or company or …". With MailMate I dump everything I have processed in to "Archive" and let all sent mails stay in "Sent". Quick and easy. I then use MailMates (really) Smart folders to organise all mails (received and sent) according to person/company/project. With Smart folders one mail can "be in" several folders, person and project e.g. Many Smart folders are simply this: Mailboxes: All Messages Conditions: Any Address -> Domain is "example.com" MailMates smart folders and custom keybindings are for me its killer features. Fredrik ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
I'm glad to know I'm not as rare a case as I sometimes assume. The difference is that I don't bcc myself, since it creates a double message (one in the Sent folder and one in the Inbox) that offends my sense of economy. I set things to file themselves in the most logical place when I can, and manually delete or file items in the Sent folder periodically, which sounds like a huge effort only when you're not used to it. Agreed. In Eudora, I set up filters to move all incoming and outgoing messages on a particular topic (eg, a mailing list) into a folder. No duplicate copies and gives automatic threading. But if I could design my own email system, there would be no Sent folder at all. I liked (actually still like) Eudora's idea of an "Out" folder, and drafts are nothing more than unfinished messages to be sent. My Out folder is almost always empty because messages are automatically (usually) or manually moved to a more appropriate place. David ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:09 PM, Allie Martin wrote: > >> On 17 Feb 2015, at 9:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: >> For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. > > How do you deal with list messages where a duplicate is sent back to you? Do > you disable that feature on the mail server if you can? Or do you > simply tolerate the duplications? Yes, exactly. It's much less of a problem than having conversations split in half! -- Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 17 Feb 2015, at 9:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. I've always wondered about that feature. :) How do you deal with list messages where a duplicate is sent back to you? Do you disable that feature on the mail server if you can? Or do you simply tolerate the duplications? — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 17 Feb 2015, at 18:22, Benny Kjær Nielsen wrote: How does this play out for mail threading? Not sure what you mean? It would be equivalent to selecting both the Inbox and “Sent Messages” if you want to try it out. Reference headers are included in Sent messages prior to them being sent, so threading will be fine. I just set things up for myself. I didn't wish for List messages to be placed in my Inbox or so I filtered all messages whose To: headers do not contain any of my subscribed mailing list addresses and it seems fine. I may refine things further. — Curtis acm ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 18 Feb 2015, at 0:00, Matthew Cawood wrote: On 18 Feb 2015, at 1:27, Kai Grossjohann wrote: But this morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. How does this play out for mail threading? Not sure what you mean? It would be equivalent to selecting both the Inbox and “Sent Messages” if you want to try it out. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 18 Feb 2015, at 1:27, Kai Grossjohann wrote: But this morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. How does this play out for mail threading? -Matt ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 17 Feb 2015, at 15:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: Just yesterday I commented on ticket #213, Keep replies in same folder (http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/213-keep-replies-in-same-folder), which seemed like the closest I could get to this in MailMate, but which still isn't quite right for me. But this morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? I've always strenuously ignored Sent Messages folders, so if this is going to mess something up behind the scenes, please tell me. I don't see any problem with that. -- Benny ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
On 2015-02-17 08:02, Shoshanna Green wrote: When I first started using email (pine on unix systems), I don't think "Sent Messages" were even a thing, and then they were a thing but they filed my outgoing mail apart from my incoming mail, which makes no sense to me. I'm glad to know I'm not as rare a case as I sometimes assume. The difference is that I don't bcc myself, since it creates a double message (one in the Sent folder and one in the Inbox) that offends my sense of economy. I set things to file themselves in the most logical place when I can, and manually delete or file items in the Sent folder periodically, which sounds like a huge effort only when you're not used to it. But if I could design my own email system, there would be no Sent folder at all. ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
Re: [MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
I'm only at two and a half decades, but I still bcc myself in MailMate. On Tue, Feb 17, 2015 at 3:02 PM, Shoshanna Green wrote: > For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. > When I first started using email (pine on unix systems), I don't think > "Sent Messages" were even a thing, and then they were a thing but they > filed my outgoing mail apart from my incoming mail, which makes no sense to > me. I want mail I send to be in my inbox, with other new and recent mail, > until I file or delete it. So I just kludged it with BCC. (I can't be the > only person who does this; Thunderbird has an "Always BCC myself" > preference.) But this is one of the legacy kludges I'm hoping to clean up > in a shift to MailMate. > > Just yesterday I commented on ticket #213, Keep replies in same folder ( > http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/ > 213-keep-replies-in-same-folder), which seemed like the closest I could > get to this in MailMate, but which still isn't quite right for me. But this > morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules > lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move > all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. > > Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? I've always strenuously ignored > Sent Messages folders, so if this is going to mess something up behind the > scenes, please tell me. > > -- > Shoshanna Green > shoshan...@gmail.com > ___ > mailmate mailing list > mailmate@lists.freron.com > http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate > ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
[MlMt] keeping sent mail with other mail
For three decades, I've kept track of my outgoing mail by BCC:ing myself. When I first started using email (pine on unix systems), I don't think "Sent Messages" were even a thing, and then they were a thing but they filed my outgoing mail apart from my incoming mail, which makes no sense to me. I want mail I send to be in my inbox, with other new and recent mail, until I file or delete it. So I just kludged it with BCC. (I can't be the only person who does this; Thunderbird has an "Always BCC myself" preference.) But this is one of the legacy kludges I'm hoping to clean up in a shift to MailMate. Just yesterday I commented on ticket #213, Keep replies in same folder (http://freron.lighthouseapp.com/projects/58672/tickets/213-keep-replies-in-same-folder), which seemed like the closest I could get to this in MailMate, but which still isn't quite right for me. But this morning it occurred to me that MMate's experimental 2.0 feature of Rules lets me just set up a rule on my Sent Messages mailbox that says to move all incoming messages to my Inbox! So simple. So obvious. Is there any reason I shouldn't do that? I've always strenuously ignored Sent Messages folders, so if this is going to mess something up behind the scenes, please tell me. -- Shoshanna Green shoshan...@gmail.com ___ mailmate mailing list mailmate@lists.freron.com http://lists.freron.com/listinfo/mailmate
