RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Title: Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. Mathew Well all I can offer is what seems to be obvious. Create a table that holds all the audit trail fields and create new records for it every time you amend the database. If you keep your updates to the database in dedicated procs then that would be the place to also update the audit table. Regards Terry McDonnell From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew LinnaneSent: 04 July 2006 06:00To: Terry McDonnellSubject: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I need to create an audit trail of all edits made to a certain mapinfo table. The Audit trail must include user ID, Date, Time etc. Can mapinfo facilitate any form of auditing? All ideas would help. Regards, Mathew Linnane GIS/LIS Assets Officer. Queanbeyan City Council. 257 Crawford Street Queanbeyan NSW 2620. Bus: (02) 6298 0205 Fax: (02) 6297 4044 Mob: 0412 565 552 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + "This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Queanbeyan City Council, unless otherwise stated. For the purposes of the Copyright Act, the permission of the holder of copyright in this communication may be taken to have been granted, unless stated otherwise, for the copying or forwarding of this message, as long as both the content of this communication and the purpose for which it is copied or forwarded are work related." + ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Title: Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. Mathew, MapInfo isn't that good at these kind of things, not when working in the native tab format. You would need to write your own tools for doing all the operations - that would be quite a job. I would recommend using a Spatial Database in stead. You can then make the database system keep track of all the changes, even tore them in a separate table, so that you have access to the previous version of every record. MapInfo 8.0 introduced support for Oracle Workspaces. This is actual exactly what you are looking for. You can setup a table to keep track of every change, and this can be done from within MapInfo. The changes at stored in a separate table that with a small amount of work can be opened and viewed in the map as well. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew LinnaneSent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:10 AMTo: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.comSubject: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I need to create an audit trail of all edits made to a certain mapinfo table. The Audit trail must include user ID, Date, Time etc. Can mapinfo facilitate any form of auditing? All ideas would help. Regards, Mathew Linnane GIS/LIS Assets Officer. Queanbeyan City Council. 257 Crawford Street Queanbeyan NSW 2620. Bus: (02) 6298 0205 Fax: (02) 6297 4044 Mob: 0412 565 552 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + "This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Queanbeyan City Council, unless otherwise stated. For the purposes of the Copyright Act, the permission of the holder of copyright in this communication may be taken to have been granted, unless stated otherwise, for the copying or forwarding of this message, as long as both the content of this communication and the purpose for which it is copied or forwarded are work related." + ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
You could try writing a little mapbasic program that you use instead of the open file command. Then each time the file requiring auditing is opened you could update another table with the date, time and username (accessible through windows api) of the person editing the file. If you want any more info on this idea please e-mail me. Mike - Original Message From: Terry McDonnell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Mathew Linnane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.comSent: Tuesday, 4 July, 2006 9:31:56 AMSubject: RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. Mathew Well all I can offer is what seems to be obvious. Create a table that holds all the audit trail fields and create new records for it every time you amend the database. If you keep your updates to the database in dedicated procs then that would be the place to also update the audit table. Regards Terry McDonnell From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew LinnaneSent: 04 July 2006 06:00To: Terry McDonnellSubject: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I need to create an audit trail of all edits made to a certain mapinfo table. The Audit trail must include user ID, Date, Time etc. Can mapinfo facilitate any form of auditing? All ideas would help. Regards, Mathew Linnane GIS/LIS Assets Officer. Queanbeyan City Council. 257 Crawford Street Queanbeyan NSW 2620. Bus: (02) 6298 0205 Fax: (02) 6297 4044 Mob: 0412 565 552 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + "This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Queanbeyan City Council, unless otherwise stated. For the purposes of the Copyright Act, the permission of the holder of copyright in this communication may be taken to have been granted, unless stated otherwise, for the copying or forwarding of this message, as long as both the content of this communication and the purpose for which it is copied or forwarded are work related." + ___MapInfo-L mailing listMapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.comhttp://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Title: Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I beg to differ. MapInfo Pro knows exactly what records and fields and graphical objects have been edited at any time. The only thing MapInfo Pro's not good at, is making this information available to everyone else. The illusive "transaction files" (TDA, TIN and TMA) contains the information of what edits have been made. Only problem: they're locked when they exist, and deleted when closed. Otherwise I think it would be perfectly feasiable to utilize these to generate an audit trail of some kind. I'll make a simple feature suggestion for MI Pro 9.0 : have Pro add some log of all edits to a .log whenever edits are committed. The log file should be in a known, dense, maybe binary, format that could be utilized programmatically. Maybe just rowid+field+timestamp. And add an option to turn this feature on. That said, I too think a more server based approach would be a smarter option for a number of reasons, although I'm sure Oracle isn't the only egg in that basket. Best regards / Med venlig hilsen Lars I. Nielsen GisPro Peter Horsbøll Møller wrote: Mathew, MapInfo isn't that good at these kind of things, not when working in the native tab format. You would need to write your own tools for doing all the operations - that would be quite a job. I would recommend using a Spatial Database in stead. You can then make the database system keep track of all the changes, even tore them in a separate table, so that you have access to the previous version of every record. MapInfo 8.0 introduced support for Oracle Workspaces. This is actual exactly what you are looking for. You can setup a table to keep track of every change, and this can be done from within MapInfo. The changes at stored in a separate table that with a small amount of work can be opened and viewed in the map as well. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mathew Linnane Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:10 AM To: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.com Subject: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I need to create an audit trail of all edits made to a certain mapinfo table. The Audit trail must include user ID, Date, Time etc. Can mapinfo facilitate any form of auditing? All ideas would help. Regards, Mathew Linnane GIS/LIS Assets Officer. Queanbeyan City Council. 257 Crawford Street Queanbeyan NSW 2620. Bus: (02) 6298 0205 Fax: (02) 6297 4044 Mob: 0412 565 552 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + "This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Queanbeyan City Council, unless otherwise stated. For the purposes of the Copyright Act, the permission of the holder of copyright in this communication may be taken to have been granted, unless stated otherwise, for the copying or forwarding of this message, as long as both the content of this communication and the purpose for which it is copied or forwarded are work related." + ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Title: Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. Lars, You are absolutely right. MapInfo certainly known the changes. The problem is - as you write yourself - that these information aren't made availeble in any way. The idea of a log-file is great. I would like to add another request, a RowEditedHandler that could be "caught" within your MapBasic application. This should be seen as a sort of trigger, so maybe we actual need as well a before as an after trigger. Within these it should be possible to detect which column was updated. So what we actual are asking for is a full support for "triggers" thru the MapBasic interface ?! And you are right Oracle is just one of the possibilities. But for now, if you are using MapInfo, I can only see a few. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis From: Lars I. Nielsen (GisPro) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 2:49 PMTo: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.comCc: Peter Horsbøll Møller; Mathew LinnaneSubject: Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I beg to differ.MapInfo Pro knows exactly what records and fields and graphical objects have been edited at any time. The only thing MapInfo Pro's not good at, is making this information available to everyone else.The illusive "transaction files" (TDA, TIN and TMA) contains the information of what edits have been made. Only problem: they're locked when they exist, and deleted when closed. Otherwise I think it would be perfectly feasiable to utilize these to generate an audit trail of some kind.I'll make a simple feature suggestion for MI Pro 9.0 : have Pro add some log of all edits to a .log whenever edits are committed. The log file should be in a known, dense, maybe binary, format that could be utilized programmatically. Maybe just rowid+field+timestamp. And add an option to turn this feature on.That said, I too think a more server based approach would be a smarter option for a number of reasons, although I'm sure Oracle isn't the only egg in that basket.Best regards / Med venlig hilsen Lars I. Nielsen GisPro Peter Horsbøll Møller wrote: Mathew, MapInfo isn't that good at these kind of things, not when working in the native tab format. You would need to write your own tools for doing all the operations - that would be quite a job. I would recommend using a Spatial Database in stead. You can then make the database system keep track of all the changes, even tore them in a separate table, so that you have access to the previous version of every record. MapInfo 8.0 introduced support for Oracle Workspaces. This is actual exactly what you are looking for. You can setup a table to keep track of every change, and this can be done from within MapInfo. The changes at stored in a separate table that with a small amount of work can be opened and viewed in the map as well. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mathew LinnaneSent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:10 AMTo: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.comSubject: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I need to create an audit trail of all edits made to a certain mapinfo table. The Audit trail must include user ID, Date, Time etc. Can mapinfo facilitate any form of auditing? All ideas would help. Regards, Mathew Linnane GIS/LIS Assets Officer. Queanbeyan City Council. 257 Crawford Street Queanbeyan NSW 2620. Bus: (02) 6298 0205 Fax: (02) 6297 4044 Mob: 0412 565 552 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + "This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Queanbeyan City Council, unless otherwise stated. For the purposes of the Copyright Act, the permission of the holder of copyright in this communication may be taken to have been granted, unless stated otherwise, for the copying or forwarding of this message, as long as both the content of this communi
Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
> Lars I. Nielsen said > > I'll make a simple feature suggestion for MI Pro 9.0 Just how do we make feature suggestions for MapInfo? Does MapInfo read this list? Is there a place on the MapInfo web site where feature suggestions can be logged? Does MapInfo have a contact person who can be emailed suggestions? Once submitted, do suggestions have a tracking number? Can we track their progress? nick Opinions contained in this e-mail do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Department of Main Roads, Queensland Transport or Maritime Safety Queensland, or endorsed organisations utilising the same infrastructure. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete the message from your computer. ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
On 7/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Once submitted, do suggestions have a tracking number? Can we track their progress? They don't even let us users track bugs, let alone feature requests! It really discourages user participation. All MI wants from us is our credit card number. Rich -- Richard Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.greenwoodmap.com ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Rich, I have to disagree here. Many of the improvemnets that has been made during the last versions of MapInfo Pro have been made because users have asked for them. The best way to make MapInfo aware of you wish is to send the wish to your MapInfo contact person. This may be a MapInfo Partner or a person at MapInfo Corp. For MapInfo Pro wishes I would recommend either Moshe Binyamin for the US region and Tom Probert in the EMEA region. Just to mention a few improvement that could have been a result of questionlately on the list: - Move a layer from one map to another - Combine two maps into one - Improved printing engine. The 28000 pixel limit is gone - Larger number of points in buffer (from 100 to 500) - Preference for area and distance units - Copy text from message and statistic window - GeoPrinter included on installation cd - Server Refresh button works on Live tables as well as Linked These might look as huge improvements, but for the daily user, they are very helpfull. So, remember to let MapInfo know what you need. Tracking is a different story. I can see why they don't want to publish their problems and list of new ideas to the public. And of course do MapInfo like to have your money. Otherwise they wouldn't exist anymore. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Greenwood Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 3:08 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.com Subject: Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. On 7/4/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Once submitted, do suggestions have a tracking number? Can we track > their progress? They don't even let us users track bugs, let alone feature requests! It really discourages user participation. All MI wants from us is our credit card number. Rich -- Richard Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.greenwoodmap.com ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Title: Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. Great idea, if MapInfo Corp are willing to consider the change. Can I suggest that the previous value (the value being overwritten) is also recorded - that would be almost as good as a full 4-dimensional database and would allow recreation of tables at any point in the database's history as well as providing the audit trail. It should also allow "rate of change" analysis without the need for discrete time slices which will always be a compromise between flexibility and storage space. Imagine being able to show the spread of disease with respect to the timing of some other factor such as weather, food imports, water quality or other datasets. With regard to a server based approach, I have (in a previous position) used MapInfo Spatialware with SQL Server and tried saving all transactions. With five full-time GIS operators and another four officers maintaining their section's data as part of their duties, it didn't take too long before the transaction file began to have a serious effect on system storage and backup performance. Regards Rex Ballard -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Lars I. Nielsen (GisPro)Sent: Tuesday, 4 July 2006 8:49 PMTo: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.comSubject: Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.I beg to differ.MapInfo Pro knows exactly what records and fields and graphical objects have been edited at any time. The only thing MapInfo Pro's not good at, is making this information available to everyone else.The illusive "transaction files" (TDA, TIN and TMA) contains the information of what edits have been made. Only problem: they're locked when they exist, and deleted when closed. Otherwise I think it would be perfectly feasiable to utilize these to generate an audit trail of some kind.I'll make a simple feature suggestion for MI Pro 9.0 : have Pro add some log of all edits to a .log whenever edits are committed. The log file should be in a known, dense, maybe binary, format that could be utilized programmatically. Maybe just rowid+field+timestamp. And add an option to turn this feature on.That said, I too think a more server based approach would be a smarter option for a number of reasons, although I'm sure Oracle isn't the only egg in that basket.Best regards / Med venlig hilsen Lars I. Nielsen GisPro Peter Horsbøll Møller wrote: Mathew, MapInfo isn't that good at these kind of things, not when working in the native tab format. You would need to write your own tools for doing all the operations - that would be quite a job. I would recommend using a Spatial Database in stead. You can then make the database system keep track of all the changes, even tore them in a separate table, so that you have access to the previous version of every record. MapInfo 8.0 introduced support for Oracle Workspaces. This is actual exactly what you are looking for. You can setup a table to keep track of every change, and this can be done from within MapInfo. The changes at stored in a separate table that with a small amount of work can be opened and viewed in the map as well. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Mathew LinnaneSent: Tuesday, July 04, 2006 1:10 AMTo: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.comSubject: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. I need to create an audit trail of all edits made to a certain mapinfo table. The Audit trail must include user ID, Date, Time etc. Can mapinfo facilitate any form of auditing? All ideas would help. Regards, Mathew Linnane GIS/LIS Assets Officer. Queanbeyan City Council. 257 Crawford Street Queanbeyan NSW 2620. Bus: (02) 6298 0205 Fax: (02) 6297 4044 Mob: 0412 565 552 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] + "This message is intended for the addressee named and may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete it and notify the sender. Views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, and are not necessarily the views of Queanbeyan City Council, unless otherwise stated. For the purposes of the Copyright Act, the permission of the holder of copyright in this communication may be taken to have been granted, unless stated otherwise, for th
Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
On 7/5/06, Peter Horsbøll Møller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Rich, I have to disagree here. Many of the improvemnets that has been made during the last versions of MapInfo Pro have been made because users have asked for them. The best way to make MapInfo aware of you wish is to send the wish to your MapInfo contact person. This may be a MapInfo Partner or a person at MapInfo Corp. For MapInfo Pro wishes I would recommend either Moshe Binyamin for the US region and Tom Probert in the EMEA region. Peter, Thanks for your comments, your positive attitude, and your many help posts to the list. I have used MapInfo Pro since version 3.0 and consider it to be a very good product. Over the years I have run into various bugs and communicated them thru my MI Business Partner, and directly to Moshe B. on a couple occasions. Personally, I have been disapointed with the ressponse I received. I can remember only one occasion in which a bug was fixed mid-release (and this was a bug that I had reported in the previous release). Many projects use Bugzilla which allows users to track the progress of bug fixes, place feature requests, and receive notification upon resolution. It is a far more satisfying experience when a user fells that their input is tracked and respected, rather than having to plead with a reseller (Business Partner) who may or may not fully comprehend your problem, or get a direct dialog with a senior engineer. My point, which may have come off with an overly cynical tone, was that MapInfo has done little encourage my participation in the improvement of their product. Lest I start a flame war, I will leave it at that. Rich -- Richard Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.greenwoodmap.com ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
RE: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables.
Rich, I agree with you on this point. MapInfo hasn't been very good at giving feedback to the person entering the problem. I think this is simply because they didn't track that information. They didn't know who send in the bug or feature request. But I also think this is changing. They have implemented a new system for - at least feature requests - where the request is connected to a name and a email address. This should give them the possibility to contact the person who send in the request and even ask for more detail. I must admit that I still need to see that part work ;-) But they seem to be heading in the right direction. When you get a bug reported, you should get a bug number. This can be used to track the bug, not interactively on a web site, but fore instance via email. But you are right. It is a serious problem for MapInfo, if their costumers don't feel that they are heard. Especially as MapInfo keep saying that they want to listen to the costumers. Peter Horsbøll Møller GIS Developer, MTM Geographical Information & IT COWI A/S Odensevej 95 DK-5260 Odense S. Denmark Tel +45 6311 4900 Direct +45 6311 4908 Mob +45 5156 1045 Fax +45 6311 4949 E-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.cowi.dk/gis -Original Message- From: Richard Greenwood [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 11:55 PM To: Peter Horsbøll Møller Cc: mapinfo-l@lists.directionsmag.com Subject: Re: [MI-L] Auditing edits made to mapinfo tables. On 7/5/06, Peter Horsbøll Møller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rich, > > I have to disagree here. Many of the improvemnets that has been made during > the last versions of MapInfo Pro have been made because users have asked for > them. > > The best way to make MapInfo aware of you wish is to send the wish to your > MapInfo contact person. This may be a MapInfo Partner or a person at MapInfo > Corp. > > For MapInfo Pro wishes I would recommend either Moshe Binyamin for the US > region and Tom Probert in the EMEA region. Peter, Thanks for your comments, your positive attitude, and your many help posts to the list. I have used MapInfo Pro since version 3.0 and consider it to be a very good product. Over the years I have run into various bugs and communicated them thru my MI Business Partner, and directly to Moshe B. on a couple occasions. Personally, I have been disapointed with the ressponse I received. I can remember only one occasion in which a bug was fixed mid-release (and this was a bug that I had reported in the previous release). Many projects use Bugzilla which allows users to track the progress of bug fixes, place feature requests, and receive notification upon resolution. It is a far more satisfying experience when a user fells that their input is tracked and respected, rather than having to plead with a reseller (Business Partner) who may or may not fully comprehend your problem, or get a direct dialog with a senior engineer. My point, which may have come off with an overly cynical tone, was that MapInfo has done little encourage my participation in the improvement of their product. Lest I start a flame war, I will leave it at that. Rich -- Richard Greenwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.greenwoodmap.com ___ MapInfo-L mailing list MapInfo-L@lists.directionsmag.com http://www.directionsmag.com/mailman/listinfo/mapinfo-l
