[Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event

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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/250667-protesters-interrupt-bernie-sanders-rally

This seems wrong, on so many levels.

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I'm not sure if I agree with you, since you did not specify what was
'wrong'.  But I'll have a go at this anyway.

The Black Lives Matter movement is desperate for publicity, which is
understandable given the escalation of white supremacist police violence
against African-Americans.
BLM won't mess with Hillary because she's married to the Dope from Hope,
the one who allowed Ricky Ray Rector to be executed, so they're afraid of
her or any other Clinton. But they're not afraid of Sanders, so that's
where they go. Sanders is a nice guy, and therefore a pushover in their
eyes.

Ongoing, neverending  racism has caused some of its victims to embrace the
madness of censorship.

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I'm conflicted. I saw the video, and everything the two women said was
true. Bernie was also using "race-blind" rhetoric and has not addressed
race issues, including the ones they brought up.

But at the same time I have quite low standards for elections and I do not
expect an elected candidate to be doing even half of what Bernie is doing.
The idea that there could be a Bernie presidency is something that I always
assumed was impossible. I do not expect much out of these people and so
seeing anyone like Bernie having anything near a shot at the Presidency is
something I value. I'm also not sure how threatening to shut down a
campaign event is good politics.

I don't know what you mean by saying they're not going after Hillary. I'm
sure they will, and if they don't I doubt it's due to cowardice.

- Amith

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> I'm not sure if I agree with you, since you did not specify what was
> 'wrong'.  But I'll have a go at this anyway.
>
> The Black Lives Matter movement is desperate for publicity, which is
> understandable given the escalation of white supremacist police violence
> against African-Americans.
> BLM won't mess with Hillary because she's married to the Dope from Hope,
> the one who allowed Ricky Ray Rector to be executed, so they're afraid of
> her or any other Clinton. But they're not afraid of Sanders, so that's
> where they go. Sanders is a nice guy, and therefore a pushover in their
> eyes.
>
> Ongoing, neverending  racism has caused some of its victims to embrace the
> madness of censorship.
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Apparently one of the demonstrators has also been involved in BlocktheBoat,
and the right-wing horde is accusing her of pretending to be Palestinian,
simply for joining a pro-Palestine protest. Can't support more than one
thing without being labelled a phony and an infiltrator, can you?

https://twitter.com/Longshoremen54/status/630273992348291072/photo/1

- Amith

On Mon, Aug 10, 2015 at 1:24 AM, A.R. G  wrote:

> I'm conflicted. I saw the video, and everything the two women said was
> true. Bernie was also using "race-blind" rhetoric and has not addressed
> race issues, including the ones they brought up.
>
> But at the same time I have quite low standards for elections and I do not
> expect an elected candidate to be doing even half of what Bernie is doing.
> The idea that there could be a Bernie presidency is something that I always
> assumed was impossible. I do not expect much out of these people and so
> seeing anyone like Bernie having anything near a shot at the Presidency is
> something I value. I'm also not sure how threatening to shut down a
> campaign event is good politics.
>
> I don't know what you mean by saying they're not going after Hillary. I'm
> sure they will, and if they don't I doubt it's due to cowardice.
>
> - Amith
>
> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 8:47 PM, Sheldon Ranz  wrote:
>
>> I'm not sure if I agree with you, since you did not specify what was
>> 'wrong'.  But I'll have a go at this anyway.
>>
>> The Black Lives Matter movement is desperate for publicity, which is
>> understandable given the escalation of white supremacist police violence
>> against African-Americans.
>> BLM won't mess with Hillary because she's married to the Dope from Hope,
>> the one who allowed Ricky Ray Rector to be executed, so they're afraid of
>> her or any other Clinton. But they're not afraid of Sanders, so that's
>> where they go. Sanders is a nice guy, and therefore a pushover in their
>> eyes.
>>
>> Ongoing, neverending  racism has caused some of its victims to embrace
>> the madness of censorship.
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"I don't know what you mean by saying they're not going after Hillary."

Gee, I don't know how much clearer I could be.  This is the second time
they have gone after Bernie, and still nothing about Clinton, as if she
does not exist. It looks quite suspicious.  Are they working for Hillary?
Cointelpro?  Take your pick.
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> Gee, I don't know how much clearer I could be.  This is the second time
> they have gone after Bernie, and still nothing about Clinton, as if she
> does not exist. It looks quite suspicious.  Are they working for Hillary?
> Cointelpro?  Take your pick.

It’s a little difficult to ignore the George Soros connection. The billionaire 
has given millions of dollars to both Hillary Clinton and to Black Lives 
Matter. Why would BLM attack Clinton?

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/George-Soros-2-million-super-PACs-Hillary-Clinton/2015/07/02/id/653343/
 


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If they attacked Hillary, people would say, "Oh yeah, Hillary sucks. Go
vote for Bernie."

Bernie is the end of the line. If Bernie isn't taking their issue seriously
it's another way of saying the entire political spectrum in America isn't
taking their issue seriously, which was, I think, their point. My
criticisms of the way these two women presented the cause aside -- they
were already doing something inherently obnoxious, they did not need to add
to it by screaming at the guy on the mic, telling him to 'get out of my
face,' openly threatening a shut-down, etc. -- they were, substantively if
not strategically, right on the money.

The left-est candidate in America treats systematic violence against blacks
as though it is a jobs issue, not a violent crime issue. He does so at the
same time he claims to be part of a wave of grassroots populism, with an
eerie disjuncture between his "movement" and the Black Lives Matter
movement which is actually a grassroots movement. Aside, he also treats
Palestine like it deserves to be periodically bombed, has visited Israel a
bajillion times, and like with the issue of black lives, his actual policy
record is mixed (i.e. he publicly calls out Netanyahu and says the Iran
Deal is good, voted against AIPAC and the neocons by voting against the
Iraq War, etc). In short, Bernie presents himself as though he is the
fundamental alternative. That alone means he needs to be criticized, even
if he receives support for being significantly less evil than his primary
competitors and even if his competitors don't get the same level of
criticism.

I also can't ignore the sheer ignorance of the attacks against these two
women afterward. One asshole online tried to say the other lady
(non-speaking one) was "pretending to be Palestinian" because she also
showed up at Block the Boat with a kaffiyah. It is impossible for them to
see anyone other than a Palestinian -- let alone someone involved in BLM
which has obvious parallels with the Palestinian struggle -- to show
solidarity with Palestine. They also ignored that there are black
Palestinians. Likewise, they are being called all sorts of names and the
internet is making a huge deal out of the fact that one of them has mocked
white liberals in the past. Glenn Kissack just posted that they might be
George Soros "agents" because GS has donated to both Hillary and to Black
Lives Matter, which is odd, given that BLM has no centralized structure and
so it's not clear what donating to it means. It also ignores the sheer
extent to which George Soros has donated to things that are perceived as
left of center. I am volunteering at a legal rights organization in Europe
that has probably received Soros money too. Soros is a liberal
philanthropist, it's unsurprising that his money would touch all these
random things, that does not mean he's giving them tacit orders to shield
Hillary and that there is some sort of conspiracy.

There is a complete failure of the white "left" to address violence against
blacks, much in the same way there has been a failure on Palestine. Bernie
is in fact the embodiment of both those failures. The only reason I'm
willing to give him my support is because it is one of the few times I feel
as though I am genuinely being presented with a "lesser of two evils,"
something I did not feel about Obama. But I am voting for him critically.
Normally I would never support anyone, let alone someone on the "left," who
has such a half-assed stance on Palestine. I just don't feel like I have
much of a choice.

I am glad there are activists who are trying to open the space on the left
about black lives and about brown lives as well. And as much as I think
some of them are stupid and some of them are incoherent, there is substance
behind the criticism that white supremacy is pervasive and even embodied in
the left. The establishment left, to say nothing of the incoherent sects
that orbit around it, has always embodied the limits of addressing
structural racism (including but not limited to Zionism, racist police
violence in the US, etc). Many of my feelings about Bernie also mirror my
feelings about the JVP debacle. I see an analogy between groups that try to
change the subject away from a primary form of violent attack on a group of
people to a general opposition to "oppression" which allows the group to
then refocus its attention to whatever (perceived anti-white or anti-Jewish
sentiment, random leftish causes, etc). The cause then gets buried under a
liberal platform in which the issues pertaining to communities that are
most marginalized and least meaningfully represented then take a backseat.
Looking at Bernie's rec

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Thanks, Glenn.  It all makes sense now.  Armed with this information,
Sanders should have BLM banned from all of his public events.
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Sheldon,

Are you being sarcastic?

- Amith

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Absolutely not.  This is all in keeping with the Clintons' history of dirty
tricks.  Soros opposes Sanders because Sanders is campaigning to tax
billionaires and Wall Street transactions.; Clinton is not.  BLM's
persistent thuggish interruptions of Sanders (and a little O'Malley) and no
Clinton , plus what happens when you follow the money, clinches the
connection.

If this goes on, this will only help Sanders increase voter disgust with
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I don't support Sanders for all sorts of reasons, the biggest and most
obvious--his suicidal decision to run as a Democrat--being definitive for
me.

But it doesn't make sense to both complain that someone's not speaking to
your agenda and shout them down.  And whatever Sanders flaws on this, he
didn't contribute actively and maliciously to the worsening condition in
the black community, as did Clinton and Obama.  Just think about their
contribution to the militarization of police technology (and attitudes).
There's no comparison.

And, yet, there's no disruption of Clinton.

Cui bono?  Who benefits?   The Clintons are Democratic versions of Nixon
when it comes to dirty tricks and I would put nothing past them.

BLM is far too decentralized and loose to merit our reading a common
approach into this, but it seems obvious that--as with Occupy--elements
within it aspire to using it to their own political purposes.

In the end, this makes Sanders' preemptive embrace of whoever wins the
nomination all the more pathetic and lame.  And all the greater a
disservice to his supporters.

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> Thanks, Glenn.  It all makes sense now.  Armed with this information, Sanders 
> should have BLM banned from all of his public events.

Sanders could at least explain to his supporters how Soros is funding both BLM 
and Hillary. However, that’s one of the problems with Bernie — as others here 
have pointed out, he has a long-standing relationship with the Democratic Party 
and is unwilling to sharply attack much of the Party's politics or its leaders.

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I already explained one reason that they would go after Bernie instead of
the others. Clinton and the Republicans are not the avante garde, they do
not emphasize the limits of the left. The failures of "left" candidates to
address black issues means that everyone has failed to address them, why
shouldn't these people emphasize that?

- Amith

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Armed with this information,
> Sanders should have BLM banned from all of his public events.


Leaving aside all possible political disagreements, this may be one of the
single most myopic and hilarious statements I've seen yet.

I mean, all of us? The millions who have protested, marched, and yes,
disrupted?
What about the tens of millions more who tweeted the hashtag?

Who, exactly, do you imagine would be left to attend these dumb events?

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Also, I think a lot of people here are ignoring the obvious. Hillary has
Secret Service protection. Anyone trying something like this at one of her
campaign events would be shot. You wouldn't even need to be a black
activist, although that certainly wouldn't increase your chances of
survival.

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"I already explained one reason that they would go after Bernie instead of
the others. Clinton and the Republicans are not the avante garde"

Martin O'Malley is also not the avant-garde, but the same BLM outfit
disrupted some of his appearances as well.  So your explanation is
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The Martin O'Malley commentary is irrational (they've invariably condemned
and praised him), but not the attacks on Bernie.

- Amith

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> "I already explained one reason that they would go after Bernie instead of
> the others. Clinton and the Republicans are not the avante garde"
>
> Martin O'Malley is also not the avant-garde, but the same BLM outfit
> disrupted some of his appearances as well.  So your explanation is
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What commentary are you referring to?  Mine or the BLM hecklers?  To the
extent that the hecklers 'praised him', that was just a warning that as
long as he keeps a low profile in the polls, he's not their main target.
This has nothing to do with vanguard positioning, since they are targetting
all declared Dem candidates not named Clinton.
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For the record, on Twitter they did go after Clinton and are saying she is
next. But that's not the point. There is no real point in going after
Clinton, she is not the vanguard!

I'm referring to their commentary about O'Malley which has gone in both
directions. He's irrelevant because of polling.

- Amith

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> extent that the hecklers 'praised him', that was just a warning that as
> long as he keeps a low profile in the polls, he's not their main target.
> This has nothing to do with vanguard positioning, since they are targetting
> all declared Dem candidates not named Clinton.
>
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Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-racial-inequality_55c81153e4b0f1cbf1e56b77?section=politics

Bernie Sanders Unveils Sweeping Policy Platform To Combat Racial
InequalitySanders
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drawing his largest crowd yet.
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Re: [Marxism] Black Lives Matter protesters shut down Sanders event

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Though I am not sure how relevant it is to their current politics, at least
one of the women who took the stage appears to have been a Sarah Palin
supporter in the past:


http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/

"Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin
Luther King Jr. before she was even born.
Clearly Johnson is  a poor student of history and politics. The fact is
that of all the current presidential candidates Sanders is probably the
most sympathetic to the concerns expressed by the BLM movement.

However, perhaps even more damning, on her Facebook page, Johnson admits
that she was a Sarah Palin supporter. This fact, the fact that she once
supported Sarah Palin, is in itself indicative of poor judgement and faulty
character, and provides a larger context for her more recent moral failure."

So, this could well turn out to be a right-wing stunt to discredit Sanders.
I wouldn't say definitively that it *was* such an attempt at this point,
but there are some really shady aspects to this whole controversy.


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Wow, the commentary posted by Mick is probably some of the stupidest shit
I've ever read. So she's Christian and she supported Sarah Palin,
presumably when she ran which was 7 years ago. That woman must have been
all but 15 years old when that happened, you're going to hold her to a view
she held in *high school*?

And so what if she is a devout Christian? This sounds like it is taken from
a neo-atheist website, which, like many of the people Marx himself
criticized, believes that religion is the root of evil and that religious
ideas alone are responsible for the deeds of religious institutions or
society.

We've already had two conspiracy theory posts and this garbage, what else
is next?

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> Though I am not sure how relevant it is to their current politics, at least
> one of the women who took the stage appears to have been a Sarah Palin
> supporter in the past:
>
>
>
> http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/08/blm-activist-who-shut-down-sanders-is-radical-christian-sarah-palin-supporter/
>
> "Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin
> Luther King Jr. before she was even born.
> Clearly Johnson is  a poor student of history and politics. The fact is
> that of all the current presidential candidates Sanders is probably the
> most sympathetic to the concerns expressed by the BLM movement.
>
> However, perhaps even more damning, on her Facebook page, Johnson admits
> that she was a Sarah Palin supporter. This fact, the fact that she once
> supported Sarah Palin, is in itself indicative of poor judgement and faulty
> character, and provides a larger context for her more recent moral
> failure."
>
> So, this could well turn out to be a right-wing stunt to discredit Sanders.
> I wouldn't say definitively that it *was* such an attempt at this point,
> but there are some really shady aspects to this whole controversy.
>
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> > Bernie Sanders Unveils Sweeping Policy Platform To Combat Racial
> > InequalitySanders
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And so what if she is a devout Christian? This sounds like it is taken from
> a neo-atheist website, which, like many of the people Marx himself
> criticized, believes that religion is the root of evil and that religious
> ideas alone are responsible for the deeds of religious institutions or
> society.


It's a religious blogging site that publishes all kinds of content, with
minimal editorial oversight, and is a predictably mixed bag. But yes, that
particular article is, as you say, some of the stupidest shit I've ever
read.

If I were trying to write a parody of a smug, condescending liberal twat, I
couldn't do nearly this well:

"Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin
Luther King Jr. before she was even born."

"Given her demeanor, it should not be surprising that Johnson is yet
another unapologetic and obnoxious Christian."

"Forget about white privilege, what about Christian privilege?

"Of course there is always something particularly depressing and disturbing
about any African American clinging to Christianity ..."

Is this "Michael Stone" guy for real? Part of me - probably the part that's
too generous - hopes he's actually the creation of a more talented satirist
than myself.

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Has anyone from the Black Lives Matter movement denounced what has been
happening in its name a la Sanders?

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> And so what if she is a devout Christian? This sounds like it is taken from
> > a neo-atheist website, which, like many of the people Marx himself
> > criticized, believes that religion is the root of evil and that religious
> > ideas alone are responsible for the deeds of religious institutions or
> > society.
>
>
> It's a religious blogging site that publishes all kinds of content, with
> minimal editorial oversight, and is a predictably mixed bag. But yes, that
> particular article is, as you say, some of the stupidest shit I've ever
> read.
>
> If I were trying to write a parody of a smug, condescending liberal twat, I
> couldn't do nearly this well:
>
> "Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with Martin
> Luther King Jr. before she was even born."
>
> "Given her demeanor, it should not be surprising that Johnson is yet
> another unapologetic and obnoxious Christian."
>
> "Forget about white privilege, what about Christian privilege?
>
> "Of course there is always something particularly depressing and disturbing
> about any African American clinging to Christianity ..."
>
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> too generous - hopes he's actually the creation of a more talented satirist
> than myself.
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No the leaders of BLM are waiting for the Clinton/Soros/Cointelpro
operation to tell them when they should apologise.

For God's sake have a listen to the interview with the BLMer and see if its
possible to see beyond "left" Democrat policies.




































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> > And so what if she is a devout Christian? This sounds like it is taken
> from
> > > a neo-atheist website, which, like many of the people Marx himself
> > > criticized, believes that religion is the root of evil and that
> religious
> > > ideas alone are responsible for the deeds of religious institutions or
> > > society.
> >
> >
> > It's a religious blogging site that publishes all kinds of content, with
> > minimal editorial oversight, and is a predictably mixed bag. But yes,
> that
> > particular article is, as you say, some of the stupidest shit I've ever
> > read.
> >
> > If I were trying to write a parody of a smug, condescending liberal
> twat, I
> > couldn't do nearly this well:
> >
> > "Apparently Johnson is unaware that Bernie Sanders was marching with
> Martin
> > Luther King Jr. before she was even born."
> >
> > "Given her demeanor, it should not be surprising that Johnson is yet
> > another unapologetic and obnoxious Christian."
> >
> > "Forget about white privilege, what about Christian privilege?
> >
> > "Of course there is always something particularly depressing and
> disturbing
> > about any African American clinging to Christianity ..."
> >
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> that's
> > too generous - hopes he's actually the creation of a more talented
> satirist
> > than myself.
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I'm not attempting to debunk any of these tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories,
simply because I don't think tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories are rational
positions whose holders can be logically convinced of their errors. Kindly
make a note not to confuse my silence with (egad!) agreement.

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No the leaders of BLM are waiting for the Clinton/Soros/Cointelpro
> operation to tell them when they should apologise.


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No one's asking BLM to apologize - i certainly am not. It never looks good
to ask an African-American to apologize to a white in a society founded on
white supremacism.

Just follow the money.
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Right, that's why we shouldn't ask Black youth to apologize to White people. 
Because it looks bad. You know some of you are really obtuse. Or worse.


Manuel Barrera





No one's asking BLM to apologize - i certainly am not. It never looks good 

to ask an African-American to apologize to a white in a society founded on 

white supremacism. 


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My thoughts on this matter come from my experience working on Jesse
Jackson's 1988 Presidential campaign.  Any publicly-aired criticism made by
a white person of any African-American only caused the African-American
community to band together around the target.  It didn't matter whether the
criticism was correct or not; it was going to be dismissed as arrogant and
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