Re: [Marxism] Washington considers espionage charges against Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Pentagon Papers counted because the US had lost control of the battlefield. Call me dense, but I hope the battlefield you're talking about is public opinion. Because from my view, the military situation in Afghanistan isn't much better than in Vietnam. Nobody's disgusted who wasn't disgusted before. Why is that? A: Because there is no draft That is one huge key. The Pentagon knew exactly what it was doing when it got rid of the draft and created a professional, volunteer army. B: Because everybody already knows that the lies are lies, torture is torture, etc. and one side thinks all of that is justified, or at the very worst, the few broken eggs needed to make the omelet. True, but I have to wonder if it's more than that. Community has declined dramatically since the 60s. This can be measured in everything from the increased number of hours watching TV to the fewer number of friends people have. That combined with even more relentless individualism and the greed is good mentality that permeates our culture, could it be that the American people as a whole have simply become less compassionate, more vicious and more callous to the suffering of others? -- The world is a dangerous place to live, not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it. -- Albert Einstein Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] It’s the End of the World as We Know It… Zizek and the End Times | Dissident Voice
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Re: [Marxism] Of Perhaps Some Small Interest
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Please, put things in the correct order: Portugal, Spain, and Belgium or Italy. ;-) But I find really amusing that NOBODY says what's at stake: the German banks (184 bn euro only in Ireland...). And what about the next big targets? UK and USA... Six months perhaps? Not to detract from the wiki issue, but we might want to pay some attention to what is happening in the European Union, and the fact that Spain and Italy are about to receive the Irish treatment. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] ALBA and the Promise of Cooperative Development
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == ALBA and the Promise of Cooperative Development by Martin Hart-Landsberg Existing international economic institutions and relations operate in ways detrimental to third world development. That is why eight Latin American and Caribbean countries—led by Venezuela, Cuba, and Bolivia—are working to build the Bolivarian Alliance for the Americas (ALBA), a regional initiative designed to promote new, nonmarket-shaped structures and patterns of economic cooperation.1 ALBA does this, in part, by providing a framework for member governments to create partnerships between existing national state enterprises as well as new regional public enterprises. The resulting initiatives, although still few in number, have helped member governments strengthen planning capacities, modernize national industrial and agricultural operations, and provide essential social services to their citizens.2 In response to worsening international economic conditions, ALBA has recently stepped up efforts to promote a full-blown regional development process. In November 2008, member governments announced their support for an ALBA People’s Trade Agreement “that protects our countries from the depredation of transnational capital, foments the development of our economies and constitutes a space liberated from the inoperative global financial institutions and the monopoly of the dollar as the currency for trade and reserves.”3 Although the precise terms of the agreement are still to be negotiated, official statements point to the creation of an integrated trade and monetary zone, with a new regionally created currency, the sucre. full: http://monthlyreview.org/101201hart-landsberg.php Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Intellectual Proletarians in the 20th Century
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://chronicle.com/article/Intellectual-Proletarians/125477/ November 28, 2010 Intellectual Proletarians in the 20th Century By Heather Steffen Academic labor has lost a lot of ground, and fast, in the last few decades. In 1970 roughly three-quarters of professors were on the tenure-track; now only 27 percent are, according to the American Federation of Teachers. Most critics focus on the recent acceleration of this distressing situation, but the precarious position of college teachers was felt as early as the Progressive Era, when the modern American University first took shape. Looking at the difficult conditions of academic labor then—and the efforts of Progressive Era reformers—gives us historical perspective and insight into today's labor crisis in higher education. Between 1870 and 1920, the number of institutions of higher education in the United States nearly doubled, from 563 to 1,041, and the faculty population grew by a factor of almost nine, from 5,553 to 48,615. In 1870 only 1.1 percent of Americans ages 18 to 24 were enrolled in postsecondary education; by 1920, 4.7 percent were. The average college in 1870 had 10 faculty members and 98 students, but by 1910, it housed 38 faculty members and 374 students, with the largest institutions boasting enrollments of 5,000 or more by 1915. Women and African-Americans entered newly founded colleges like Vassar and Spelman in the 19th century, and students also began to attend junior colleges and for-profit correspondence schools. The academy's rapid expansion changed how universities were run, who was running them, and what was taught. Governing boards, previously composed of ministers and clergymen, were stocked with businessmen, lawyers, and educators. Professional, medical, and graduate schools were added to existing colleges, and the elective and course-credit systems individualized undergraduate education. Responding to the developing needs of industrial capital, the overall goal of higher education shifted from the production of genteel citizens to preparation for work in the emerging professions. Historians of higher education call this period the Age of the University, but one could just as accurately describe it as the age of university critique. No part of the fledgling institution was immune to debate and controversy. Railing against businessmen-cum-trustees in his 1918 book, The Higher Learning in America, Thorstein Veblen modestly proposed abolishing boards on the grounds that they have ceased to exercise any function other than a bootless meddling with academic matters which they do not understand. He was equally unreserved in his condemnation of university architecture, accusing campuses of housing the quest of truth in an edifice of false pretenses. A young Randolph S. Bourne became the subject of a New York Times article on how Students Pity Workers when he editorialized in the Columbia paper about a gaunt scrubwoman and undersized, starving child staffing the University. College life became a popular fascination, and undergraduates alternately praised and scorned elite fraternities like those immortalized in Owen Johnson's novel Stover at Yale (1912). For faculty members, the Age of the University was a time of reorganization and power struggles. Most faculty members were untenured. Pay was considered insufficient to maintain them in the proper style, and some professors began their careers with debt accrued in graduate school. Ruled by autocratic presidents in thrall of plutocratic boards, administrations were derided as bloated and controlling. Curricular changes led teachers to self-deprecatingly describe themselves as department-store clerks hawking credits. A first wave of Progressive Era criticism of labor conditions in academe focused on professors' salaries. Upton Sinclair captured the feeling in his book The Goose-Step: A Study of American Higher Education (1923). To research the book Sinclair traveled to 25 cities and interviewed hundreds of educators and students. He summarized his findings: There are few more pitiful proletarians in America than the underpaid, overworked, and contemptuously ignored rank-and-file college teacher. Everyone has more than he—trustees and presidents, coaches and trainers, merchants and tailors, architects and building contractors, sometimes even masons and carpenters. Sinclair's description stands in contrast to the widespread belief that college teaching became professionalized at the turn of the century. Professors were beginning to earn doctorates, more of them were turning to specialized research and joining professional organizations, and business and government began to consult this emerging class of
[Marxism] U. of Minnesota embroiled in Turkish-Armenian genocide controversy
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/12/01/minnesota Suit Over 'Unreliable Websites' December 1, 2010 The University of Minnesota was sued in federal court Tuesday over allegations that a website maintained by its Holocaust studies center defamed a Turkish-American organization in a way that raised First Amendment and due process issues. The suit came just days after the Holocaust center removed the material that is the focus of the suit -- although the university maintains that it acted as part of a routine review and not because of the threat of litigation. Underlying the legal dispute is the debate over what happened to the Armenians during World War I. Among most scholars of genocide, there is a wide consensus that the deaths (some say up to 1.5 million of them) constituted a genocide. A minority of scholars (and many Turkish-American groups) disagree -- and some of those who differ have been called deniers. The material that was removed from the Minnesota website was a list of unreliable websites for research on genocide -- including the website of the Turkish Coalition of America. The Minnesota lawsuit follows a retraction (under legal pressure) by the Southern Poverty Law Center of statements it made about a retired University of Massachusetts professor who has written books that cast doubt on the view that the Armenians suffered a genocide. David Saltzman, a lawyer involved in the suit against Minnesota and the one against the Southern Poverty Law Center, said in an interview Tuesday night that the prospect of further litigation is great. Minnesota's Center for Holocaust Genocide Studies (CHGS) features a range of materials for use by students, researchers and teachers. The list of unreliable links was included in the mix of offerings. Bruno Chaouat, director of the center, posted a note this week explaining that a review of the website had been going on -- irrespective of the complaints of Turkish-American groups. I decided to remove the section providing links to 'unreliable websites.' My rationale was quite simple: never promote, even negatively, sources of illegitimate information, he wrote. During almost 20 years working in higher education, I have never put a dubious source on a syllabus for my students, not even for the purpose of delegitimizing the source. The decision to remove the links to 'unreliable websites' was made before the Turkish Coalition of America began its efforts to intimidate CHGS into removing the links. The links were replaced with legitimate information devoted to the history, ideology and psychology of Holocaust and genocide denial. Chaouat added that he believes that what happened to the Armenians was in fact genocide. On behalf of the CHGS, I want to reiterate that in accordance with the vast majority of serious and rigorous historians, the CHGS considers the massacre of the Armenians during World War I as a case of genocide. The Minnesota Holocaust studies center still features a warning to researchers that states: Students and researchers should be aware that there is a proliferation of websites operated by Holocaust and genocide deniers that CHGS and others in the academic community consider unreliable. CHGS encourages all researchers to exercise caution when they use the Internet and any other media (films, books, journals, etc). Our center, staff, advisory board and experts are here to assist researchers on a case-by-case basis. We consider it our obligation to orient researchers toward reference materials which, in our opinion, represent the best scholarship in the field of Holocaust and genocide issues. Saltzman, the lawyer for the Turkish Coalition of America, said that the removed list amounted to defamation of the views of the Turkish group and had the impact of limiting academic freedom because students would feel discouraged from quoting materials from a group labeled unreliable by a university source. Further, he said that there were due process issues because there was no formal way for a group like the coalition to appeal the placement of its website on the unreliable list. As to the First Amendment, he said that the university gave a clear overtone of an academic penalty for anyone who used the Turkish group's materials. (Those materials continue to dispute the Armenian genocide.) Saltzman said that he considered the warning to researchers to be a poor cousin to the original list of questionable websites. The university, he said, is saying 'we're no long defaming by wide broadcast, but we're going to whisper it to you if you call us.' Minnesota officials were not able to respond to the lawsuit Tuesday night. But Mark Rotenberg, general counsel for the
[Marxism] World bourgeoisie escalates campaign against Assange
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Rape charges land Assange on Interpol list The Associated Press Tuesday, November 30, 2010; 6:50 PM PARIS -- Interpol has placed the Australian-born founder of WikiLeaks on its most-wanted list after Sweden issued an arrest warrant against him as part of a drawn-out rape investigation. The Lyon, France-based international police organization has issued a red notice for 39-year old Julian Assange - the equivalent of putting him on its most wanted list. The issuance by Interpol was expected after a Swedish court in mid-November approved a motion to have Assange brought in for questioning. The notice, posted on Interpol's site Tuesday, is likely to make international travel more difficult for him. Assange, whose whereabouts are unknown, is suspected of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. He has denied the allegations, which stem from his encounters with two women during a visit to Sweden in August. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Leading Republican mouthpiece urges Assange to be executed
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/01/us-embassy-cables-executed-mike-huckabee US embassy cables culprit should be executed, says Mike Huckabee Republican presidential hopeful wants the person responsible for the WikiLeaks cables to face capital punishment for treason by Haroon Siddique and Matthew Weaver Mike Huckabee Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee said, 'Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty'. Photograph: Tony Gutierrez/AP The Republican presidential hopeful Mike Huckabee has called for whoever leaked the 250,000 US diplomatic cables to be executed. Huckabee, who ran unsuccessfully for the Republican nomination at the last election but is one of the favourites for 2012, joined a growing number of people demanding the severest punishment possible for those behind the leak, which has prompted a global diplomatic crisis. His fellow potential Republican nominee Sarah Palin had already called for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange to be hunted down, and an adviser to the Canadian prime minister has echoed her comments. Huckabee said: Whoever in our government leaked that information is guilty of treason, and I think anything less than execution is too kind a penalty. He added, according to Politico: They've put American lives at risk. They put relationships that will take decades to rebuild at risk. They knew full well that they were handling sensitive documents they were entrusted. And anyone who had access to that level of information was not only a person who understood what their rules were, but they also signed, under oath, a commitment that they would not violate. They did … Any lives they endangered, they're personally responsible for and the blood is on their hands. Bradley Manning, a US army intelligence analyst suspected of leaking the diplomatic cables, is currently being held at a military base. He has been charged with transferring classified data and delivering national defence information to an unauthorised source. He faces a court martial and up to 52 years in prison. The 23-year-old was arrested after boasting in instant messages and emails to a high-profile former hacker, Adrian Lamo, that he had passed the material to WikiLeaks along with a highly classified video of US forces killing unarmed civilians in Baghdad. Kathleen McFarland, who served in the Pentagon under the Nixon, Ford and Reagan administrations, concurred with Huckabee. It's time to up the charges, said McFarland, now a Fox News national security analyst. Let's charge him and try him for treason. If he is found guilty, he should be executed. It is not just the Americans who are demanding blood. Tom Flanagan, a senior adviser to the Canadian prime minister, Stephen Harper, issued what has been described as a fatwa against Assange, on the Canadian TV station CBC. I think Assange should be assassinated, actually, he said. I think Obama should put out a contract and maybe use a drone or something. Flanagan chuckled as he made the comment but did not retract it when questioned, adding: I wouldn't feel unhappy if Assange does disappear. Revelations directly relating to Canada have been few and far between so far, although there was some embarrassment for Harper in the leak of a US embassy note from one of the French president's key foreign advisers. It explained that Harper was invited to last year's D-day commemorations in Normandy only because his government was in trouble. Assange is facing growing legal problems around the world. The US has announced it is investigating whether he has violated its espionage laws, and his details have been added to Interpol's worldwide wanted list, based on an arrest warrant issued by Swedish prosecutors in connection with rape allegations. On Monday, Sarah Palin wrote on Facebook: He is an anti-American operative with blood on his hands. His past posting of classified documents revealed the identity of more than 100 Afghan sources to the Taliban. Why was he not pursued with the same urgency we pursue al-Qaida and Taliban leaders? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Bill Gates debates sociobiologist Matt Ridley about Africa’s future
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == In a debate that is remarkable for the mendacity of its participants, Microsoft billionaire and self-appointed savior of the world’s poor answers one Matt Ridley in the pages of the Wall Street Journal last Saturday, an appropriate locale for such figures. Gates’s piece, titled Africa Needs Aid, Not Flawed Theories, an attack on Ridley’s latest exercise in sociobiology “The Rational Optimist.” Unlike most sociobiologists who lean toward Hobbesian pessimism, Ridley is one of those people who think that our genes predispose us to cooperation. His 1997 Origins of Virtue argues that the human mind has evolved a special instinct for social exchange, for example. Gates, like Soros and other movers and shakers, appears very much worried about the ability of the capitalist system to reproduce itself and therefore finds Ridley’s arguments Panglossian even though he does not use that term: Mr. Ridley dismisses concern about climate change as another instance of unfounded pessimism. His discussion in this chapter is provocative, but he fails to prove that we shouldn’t invest in reducing greenhouse gases. I asked Ken Caldeira, a scientist who studies global ecology at the Carnegie Institution for Science, to look over this part of the book. He pointed out that Mr. Ridley celebrates declining air-pollution emissions in the U.S. but does not acknowledge that this has come about because of government regulations based on publicly funded science, which Mr. Ridley opposes. As Mr. Caldeira rightly observes, “It is a wonder of development that our economy can grow as air pollution diminishes.” What is true of the U.S. case, I’d suggest, can be true of the world as a whole as we deal with the challenges posed by climate change. Gates does admit that it is possible to be overly pessimistic: The most obvious instance of excessive pessimism in [John Stuart] Mill’s era was the “Communist Manifesto.” In one of history’s great ironies, Karl Marx used the profits from the German textile mills of Friedrich Engels’s father to support the writing and distribution of a political philosophy based on pessimism about capitalism. Of course, the Communist Manifesto was neither “optimistic” nor “pessimistic” about capitalism. It simply recorded that it was transforming the world and creating the objective conditions for socialism. full: http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2010/12/01/bill-gates-debates-sociobiologist-matt-ridley-about-africas-future/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A Serbian Film-From a Bosnian Friend
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Ismail Lagardien wrote: fast forwarded through most of serbian film. probably the worst example of stylized chauvinism I've ever watched. which wouldn't bother me much if the film wasn't coming from a country that is in a complete denial about its fascist past. the violence that this film celebrates is legitimized by that past. === I haven't seen the film either. However: 1. It is absurd to think one can comment intelligently about any film if the way one sees it is by fast-forwarding. 2. What fascist past? Serbia, it so happens, was virtually the only part of Yugoslavia to be an ally of the West against Hitler (unlike Croatia and Slovenia, for example). I may be no expert on the history of Yugoslavia, but to say it has a fascist past strikes me as utter ignorance. David Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] Of Perhaps Some Small Interest
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == And speaking of German debt: WSJ of 11/30 published a breakdown of German bank exposure to the debt of the EU core; the EU PIIGS [Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain], and other EU countries in THREE sectors: debt of other banks, sovereign debt, corporate debt; So for German banks in the PIIGS Category: exposure to debt of other banks: euro 180 billion [out of a total exposure to debt of other EU banks of euro 405 billion] exposure to debt of corporations: euro 200 billion [out of a total exposure EU corporate debt of euro 460 billion] exposure to sovereign debt: euro 90 billion [total EU exposure euro 121 billion]. Half a trillion here, half a trillion there, pretty soon you're talking about unreal money. - Original Message - From: Vladimiro Giacche' md1...@mclink.it Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Frank Furedi does not like Wikileaks
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9953/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] ASorry, Frank. I paid for them and I can see them if I want to.
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Dec 1, 2010, at 3:53 PM, Louis Proyect wrote: http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/9953/ This idea that the publication of private conversations and communications is in the public interest So the official, publicly funded, communications of the most militarily powerful state apparatus in the world are private conversations and communications! Sorry, Frank. We paid for them and we have a moral right to see them if we want to. Shane Mage Thunderbolt steers all things. Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Here's a further comment by Diana Johnstone, posted with her permission, in response to the awful ahistoric note by a Bosnian friend posted earlier. David = It becomes clearer and clearer to me that the Anglo-American-Israeli imperialist axis was eager to sustain and rejuvenate the moral dualism that triumphed to their advantage from the conflict with Nazi Germany in World War II. They – and first of all, journalists eager to live in those exciting times – jumped at the propaganda version of the Yugoslav civil wars cooked up by the Ruder Finn public relations agency on behalf of the Croats and Bosnian Muslims. This served up Serbs as Nazis and Muslims as Jews. From then on, the scenario was written, and reporters simply had to jerk the tears. Almost the entire left, with nothing else exciting to do, fell for this Manichean rehash hook, line and sinker. And what has happened now, is that the Serbs=Nazis + Muslims=Jews equation has been so internalized that any attempt to hint at reality is automatically and vehemently rejected as negationism on a par with Holocaust denial. Many Muslims of course enjoy being promoted to the status of Jewish Holocaust victims, without realizing that all this is a morality play serving to perpetuate war against Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. Diana Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Jeez, Ruder Finn is still in business? They were a client of a type shop I worked in during the 1980s.--TB They – and first of all, journalists eager to live in those exciting times – jumped at the propaganda version of the Yugoslav civil wars cooked up by the Ruder Finn public relations agency on behalf of the Croats and Bosnian Muslims. This served up Serbs as Nazis and Muslims as Jews. From then on, the scenario was written, and reporters simply had to jerk the tears. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ASorry, Frank. I paid for them and I can see them if I want to.
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == WikiLeaks certainly embarrasses the powers that be - which is certainly all to the good. Surely it will awaken some to the disgustingly anti=human activities of these powers - but there must also be the negative effect that the result of these leaks is to just vastly increase the security network these powers set up against us. Who wins in the end all depends on us - and millions more, not only realising how we are being duped, mislead and exploited, but also being prepared to to put our lives on the line in opposing this system and its leaders until we REALLY get a change !! Just at the moment WikiLeaks is a great help to our argument and propaganda and should be warmly welcomed. In the long term it will only have a positive effect if our use of it brings many others into sufficient activity which starts to get rid of the bastards exposed by their own words unleashed to the public by WikiLeaks THIS is the main argument in question - everything else is a sidetrack Paddy http://apling.freeservers.com -Original Message- From: marxism-bounces+e.c.apling=btinternet@lists.econ.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces+e.c.apling=btinternet@lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of Shane Mage Sent: 01 December 2010 10:12 PM To: e.c.apl...@btinternet.com Subject: [Marxism] ASorry, Frank. I paid for them and I can see them if I want to. This idea that the publication of private conversations and communications is in the public interest So the official, publicly funded, communications of the most militarily powerful state apparatus in the world are private conversations and communications! Sorry, Frank. We paid for them and we have a moral right to see them if we want to. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/e.c.apling%40btinternet.c om Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] WikiLeaks Site Taken Down
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I love the comments by would-be Democratic Vice President Joe Lieberman. Let's hear it for lesser-evil politics ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] ASorry, Frank. I paid for them and I can see them if I want to.
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Jon Stewart did make a very good point of all this the other night. While defending WikiLeaks, he also pointed out that it was quite naive to think that anything WikiLeaks disclosed was going to shock Americans. As a people, Americans have managed to process vast quantities of bullshit with so much as a hiccup...and certainly no real indigestion ML Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == How right Diana is. I spent several years of my youth in Venezia Giulia, as a junior office in the British Army, so had it early inscribed in my brain how to distinguish a Croat Ustashi from a Slovene partisan (anti-fascist). During the years of the Balkan conflict I have been constantly appalled at how easily the British and American publics have been so easily swindled into accepting the NATO View of the disintegration of the democratic socialist republic of Yugoslavia, constituted following so many years of such bloody struggle against the Nazi-fascist invaders and their Ustashi allies. Did I think in 1945 that we had REALLY won the war against fascism? No - I knew very well that those who in Britain and the USA who, in 1939, had really wanted a war on the side of Hitler against the USSR, were still in command in the West - that they had only begun the Second Front (D-DAY) BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE WHOLE OF Western Europe would certainly be liberated from the Nazis by the Red Army (their REAL enemy). The assessment of all that has happened since then really depends on understanding this fundamental truth - the role-back of all that had been achieved by the Yugoslav partisans in the no-man's land between the areas of Europe liberated, and subsequently occupied by the Red Army, and the areas liberated and occupied by the Western Powers of USA and GB was the crucial determinant of USA/GB foreign policy from 1945 (or even before) until the present day. The Serbs were the leading elements in the Yugoslav partisans (in spite of the fact that their charismatic leader was the Croat Josep Broz Tito) - and consequently were those who must be castigated as the hated dictators of the period. As one who was young, and in the British army in those crucial years of 1944-48, it seems so simple to understand the REAL forces and interests involved in so much that occurred afterwards - and I constantly find it so difficult to understand why so many of those, who believe they are on the left - and even revolutionary - find it so difficult to understand which side they should be on. (Do they not even know that Croatia was a puppet republic under the Nazis ?) Paddy http://apling.freeservers.com -Original Message- From: marxism-bounces+e.c.apling=btinternet@lists.econ.utah.edu [mailto:marxism-bounces+e.c.apling=btinternet@lists.econ.utah.edu] On Behalf Of David Thorstad Sent: 01 December 2010 10:17 PM To: e.c.apl...@btinternet.com Subject: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left Here's a further comment by Diana Johnstone, posted with her permission, in response to the awful ahistoric note by a Bosnian friend posted earlier. David = It becomes clearer and clearer to me that the Anglo-American-Israeli imperialist axis was eager to sustain and rejuvenate the moral dualism that triumphed to their advantage from the conflict with Nazi Germany in World War II. They – and first of all, journalists eager to live in those exciting times – jumped at the propaganda version of the Yugoslav civil wars cooked up by the Ruder Finn public relations agency on behalf of the Croats and Bosnian Muslims. This served up Serbs as Nazis and Muslims as Jews. From then on, the scenario was written, and reporters simply had to jerk the tears. Almost the entire left, with nothing else exciting to do, fell for this Manichean rehash hook, line and sinker. And what has happened now, is that the Serbs=Nazis + Muslims=Jews equation has been so internalized that any attempt to hint at reality is automatically and vehemently rejected as negationism on a par with Holocaust denial. Many Muslims of course enjoy being promoted to the status of Jewish Holocaust victims, without realizing that all this is a morality play serving to perpetuate war against Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. Diana Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/e.c.apling%40btinternet.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Fiji Water....
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == They are back... http://www.npr.org/2010/12/01/131733493/A-Bottled-Water-Drama-In-Fiji http://www.fijiwater.com/blog/2010/11/30/fiji-water-reopen-plant/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] The Madrid Cables
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Madrid Cables By Scott Horton In Spain, the WikiLeaks disclosures have dominated the news for three days now. The reporting has been led by the level-headed El País, with its nationwide competitor, Público, lagging only a bit behind. Attention has focused on three separate matters, each pending in the Spanish national security court, the Audiencia Nacional: the investigation into the 2003 death of a Spanish cameraman, José Cuoso, as a result of the mistaken shelling of Baghdad’s Palestine Hotel by a U.S. tank; an investigation into the torture of Spanish subjects held at Guantánamo; and a probe into the use of Spanish bases and airfields for extraordinary renditions flights, including the one which took Khaled El-Masri to Baghdad and then on to Afghanistan in 2003. These cables reveal a large-scale, closely coordinated effort by the State Department to obstruct these criminal investigations. High-ranking U.S. visitors such as former Republican Party Chair Mel Martinez, Senator Greg Judd, and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano were corralled into this effort, warning Spanish political leaders that the criminal investigations would “be misunderstood” and would harm bilateral relations. The U.S. diplomats also sought out and communicated directly with judges and prosecutors, attempting to steer the cases into the hands of judges of their choosing. The cables also reflect an absolutely extraordinary rapport between the Madrid embassy and Spanish prosecutors, who repeatedly appear to be doing the embassy’s bidding. full: http://www.harpers.org/archive/2010/12/hbc-90007836 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Then again, we had the Chetnik Great Serbian chauvinist collaborators of the Axis in World War 2, Chetnik having been also aptly used as a political epithet by Milosevic's political opponents against him and his followers in the 80s and 90s. Emblematic of that, forces allied with Milocevic have been demanding that Tito's remains be disinterred from his tomb in Belgrade and sent back to Zagreb based on his ethnicity, at least according to Tito's grandson. So let's not be too knee jerk in our analysis. Like the Irish in 1916, the Muslims of Bosnia and Kosovo had the right to accept material aid from whomever. To me it is ironic, looking for example at the review pages of Johnstone's books on amazon, to see leftists lining up with anti-Islamic bigots worthy of O'Reilly and Beck. The Machiavellian dictum, often ascribed to Mao, that your enemies enemy is your friend, has a lot of applicability, but it is not a universal substitute for a concrete analysis that starts from the facts. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Paddy Apling e.c.apl...@btinternet.comwrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == The Serbs were the leading elements in the Yugoslav partisans (in spite of the fact that their charismatic leader was the Croat Josep Broz Tito) - and consequently were those who must be castigated as the hated dictators of the period. As one who was young, and in the British army in those crucial years of 1944-48, it seems so simple to understand the REAL forces and interests involved in so much that occurred afterwards - and I constantly find it so difficult to understand why so many of those, who believe they are on the left - and even revolutionary - find it so difficult to understand which side they should be on. (Do they not even know that Croatia was a puppet republic under the Nazis ?) Paddy http://apling.freeservers.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] WikiLeaks Site Taken Down
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Tom Cod tomc...@gmail.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/12/01/technology/AP-US-TEC-WikiLeaks-Amazon.html?hp Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/kaliyuga%40wildblue.net From the article. Swedish police issued an international arrest warrant on Wednesday, though they haven't filed formal charges. I thought Interpol was issuing an international arrest warrant. Is it common to issue an arrest warrant and not file formal charges? If the charges are solely for rape, why would Interpol be involved? Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 12/1/10 9:11 PM, Tom Cod wrote: Then again, we had the Chetnik Great Serbian chauvinist collaborators of the Axis in World War 2, Chetnik having been also aptly used as a political epithet by Milosevic's political opponents against him and his followers in the 80s and 90s. Emblematic of that, forces allied with Milocevic have been demanding that Tito's remains be disinterred from his tomb in Belgrade and sent back to Zagreb based on his ethnicity, at least according to Tito's grandson. So let's not be too knee jerk in our analysis. Like the Irish in 1916, the Muslims of Bosnia and Kosovo had the right to accept material aid from whomever. To me it is ironic, looking for example at the review pages of Johnstone's books on amazon, to see leftists lining up with anti-Islamic bigots worthy of O'Reilly and Beck. For people looking for a Marxist analysis of the Balkan wars, I believe my own articles pass muster: http://www.swans.com/library/art9/lproy04.html http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/ordfront.htm http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/Kosovo.htm http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/atc_reply.htm http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/a-serbophobe-outburst-in-the-nation-magazine/ http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/trotsky.htm http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/the-lessons-of-yugoslavia/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == For an alternative viewpoint on the Balkans, see the articles collected here http://links.org.au/taxonomy/term/108 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On Dec 1, 2010, at 6:56 PM, Paddy Apling wrote: I spent several years of my youth in Venezia Giulia, as a junior office in the British Army... ...I knew very well that...they had only begun the Second Front (D- DAY) BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE WHOLE OF Western Europe would certainly be liberated from the Nazis by the Red Army... I was a bit younger than Paddy, but I remember, in 1942-43, reading the Daily Worker and PM, listening to Johannes Steel and Elmer Davis on the radio. For two years the whole of Stalinist/fellow-traveler propaganda centered on one and only one point: the demand for an immediate Second Front. Shane Mage Thunderbolt steers all things. Herakleitos of Ephesos, fr. 64 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == I've bookmarked some of these for further analysis, but I have to say that any reference to Trotsky's view of the Ukraine as moral authority in this context should be viewed with skepticism as his role there as a leader of the Soviet regime was notorious as he played a brutal role there in suppressing the Ukrainian insurgent workers and peasants during the period of the revolution. Peter Arshinov's book on the Makho movement in the Ukraine, which I picked up in a radical bookstore in the 70s, reproduces Trotsky's War Order No. 1 in which he ordered the dispersal of the All-Ukranian Congress of Soviets and the summary execution of its deputies. Yeah, I know, we're not supposed to bring up Trotsky-Stalin stuff here, but moderated broached the issue. Moreover, whether something is a Marxist analysis, what I don't purport to present, begs the question of what actually occurred (whether something passes muster in material and empirical terms). Nonetheless, Makhno's army remained steadfast opponents of the Whites, dealing them a critical defeat in 1919 that saved the Russian Soviet regime. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Arshinov http://www.amazon.com/Makhnovist-movement-1918-1921-translated-Lorraine/dp/B004424SYY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1291260143sr=1-1-spell For people looking for a Marxist analysis of the Balkan wars, I believe my own articles pass muster: http://www.swans.com/library/art9/lproy04.html http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/ordfront.htm http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/Kosovo.htm http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/atc_reply.htm http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2007/12/21/a-serbophobe-outburst-in-the-nation-magazine/ http://www.columbia.edu/%7Elnp3/mydocs/fascism_and_war/trotsky.htm http://louisproyect.wordpress.com/2009/03/31/the-lessons-of-yugoslavia/ Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/tomcod3%40gmail.com Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == On 12/1/10 10:31 PM, Tom Cod wrote: I've bookmarked some of these for further analysis, but I have to say that any reference to Trotsky's view of the Ukraine as moral authority in this context should be viewed with skepticism as his role there as a leader of the Soviet regime was notorious as he played a brutal role there in suppressing the Ukrainian insurgent workers and peasants during the period of the revolution. Peter Arshinov's book on the Makho movement in the Ukraine, which I picked up in a radical bookstore in the 70s, reproduces Trotsky's War Order No. 1 in which he ordered the dispersal of the All-Ukranian Congress of Soviets and the summary execution of its deputies. This is totally non sequitur. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == here's a link to Voline, who wrote the intro to Arshinov's book, and who himself wrote The Unknown Revolution, about anarchist uprisings during the period of the Great War and the Bolshevik Revolution, a work I've never been able to track down until just now. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volin http://www.amazon.com/Revolution-Voline/dp/0919618251 Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] A comment by Diana Johnstone on A Serbian film, Croats and Muslims, and the left
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == How so? On 12/1/10 10:31 PM, Tom Cod wrote: I've bookmarked some of these for further analysis, but I have to say that any reference to Trotsky's view of the Ukraine as moral authority in this context should be viewed with skepticism . . . This is totally non sequitur. Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism] Assange lawyer speaks
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/12/02/when-it-comes-to-assange-r-pe-case-the-swedes-are-making-it-up-as-they-go-along/ Apparently having consensual s-x in Sweden without a condom is punishable by a term of imprisonment of a minimum of two years for r-pe. That is the basis for a reinstitution of r-pe charges against WikiLeaks figurehead Julian Assange that is destined to make Sweden and its justice system the laughing stock of the world and dramatically damage its reputation as a model of modernity. Sweden’s Public Prosecutor’s Office was embarrassed in August this year when it leaked to the media that it was seeking to arrest Assange for r-pe, then on the same day withdrew the arrest warrant because in its own words there was “no evidence”. The damage to Assange’s reputation is incalculable. More than three quarters of internet references to his name refer to r-pe. Now, three months on and three prosecutors later, the Swedes seem to be clear on their basis to proceed. Consensual s-x that started out with a condom ended up without one, ergo, the s-x was not consensual. For three months Assange had been waiting in vain to hear whether media statements by and for the two female “victims” that there was no fear or violence were going to be embellished so the charges might be carried forward due to greater seriousness. Such statements would stop a r-pe charge in any Western country dead in its tracks. R-pe is a crime of violence, duress or deception. You can r-pe someone by deluding them into thinking you are someone else or by drugging them or by reason of their young age but essentially it’s a crime of violence. The women here are near to and over 30 and have international experience, some of it working in Swedish government embassies. There is no suggestion of drugs nor identity concealment. Far from it. Both women boasted of their celebrity connection to Assange after the events that they would now see him destroyed for. That further evidence hasn’t been confected to make the charges less absurd does Sweden no credit because it has no choice in the matter. The phenomena of social networking through the internet and mobile phones constrains Swedish authorities from augmenting the evidence against Assange because it would look even less credible in the face of tweets by Anna Ardin and SMS texts by Sofia Wilén boasting of their respective conquests after the “crimes”. In the case of Ardin it is clear that she has thrown a party in Assange’s honour at her flat after the “crime” and tweeted to her followers that she is with the “the world’s coolest smartest people, it’s amazing!”. Go on the internet and see for yourself. That Ardin has sought unsuccessfully to delete these exculpatory tweets from the public record should be a matter of grave concern. That she has published on the internet a guide on how to get revenge on cheating boyfriends ever graver. The exact content of Wilén’s mobile phone texts is not yet known but their bragging and exculpatory character has been confirmed by Swedish prosecutors. Niether Wilén’s nor Ardin’s texts complain of r-pe. But then neither Arden nor Wilén complained to the police but rather “sought advice”, a technique in Sweden enabling citizens to avoid just punishment for making false complaints. They sought advice together, having collaborated and irrevocably tainted each other’s evidence beforehand. Their SMS texts to each other show a plan to contact the Swedish newspaper Expressen beforehand in order to maximise the damage to Assange. They belong to the same political group and attended a public lecture given by Assange and organised by them. You can see Wilén on the YouTube video of the event even now. Of course, their celebrity lawyer Claes Borgström was questioned as to how the women themselves could be essentially contradicting the legal characterisation of Swedish prosecutors; a crime of non-consent by consent. Borgström’s answer is emblematic of how divorced from reality this matter is. “They (the women) are not jurists”. You need a law degree to know whether you have been r-ped or not in Sweden. In the context of such double think, the question of how the Swedish authorities propose to deal with victims who neither saw themselves as such nor acted as such is easily answered: You’re not a Swedish lawyer so you wouldn’t understand anyway. The consent of both women to s-x with Assange has been confirmed by prosecutors. Proposed reforms of Swedish r-pe laws would introduce a test of whether the unequal power relations between the parties might void the sincerely expressed consent of one party. In this case, presumably, the politically active Ardin, with experience fielding gender equity complaints as a gender equity officer at Uppsala University, had
[Marxism] 12-01-10 Like Radio before it , then TV: Obama's FCC chair wants 'to turn the Internet into cable TV'
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == [Again, quoting Assange: He who controls today`s Internet servers controls the intellectual record of mankind. Whatever we get from the FCC this time around, we can be sure that, in a system where capital accumulation is the bottom line in communications as everywhere else and oligopoly is the mode of appropriation and control, barring massive public obstruction we're headed for the gutting of the internet as we know it and the dismantling of the closest approximation we have had to unfettered, free mass communication.] Published on Wednesday, December 1, 2010 by The Nation America Needs Real Net Neutrality, Not a False Promise from a Compromising FCC Chair by John Nichols When Barack Obama was running for president, he made Net Neutrality an issue http://civ.moveon.com/releases/071029netneutralityobama.html [1] -- pledging to defend the core values of a free and open Internet by assuring that all Americans would have equal access to all websites and to all the promise of this digital age. [2] Asked in 2007 if he would make it a priority in your first year of office to re-instate Net Neutrality as the law of the land and pledge to only appoint FCC commissioners that support open Internet principles like Net Neutrality, candidate Obama responded by saying http://civ.moveon.com/releases/071029netneutralityobama.html [1]: I am a strong supporter of net neutrality, said Obama. What you've been seeing is some lobbying that says [Internet providers] should be able to be gatekeepers and able to charge different rates to different websites... so you could get much better quality from the Fox News site and you'd be getting rotten service from the mom and pop sites. And that I think destroys one of the best things about the Internet -- which is that there is this incredible equality there... as president I'm going to make sure that is the principle that my FCC commissioners are applying as we move forward. That commitment made Obama a favorite contender among tech-savvy voters in general and especially among young voters who see through the spin of telecommunications corporations that seek to do away with Net Neutrality so they can choose which websites consumers could easily and effectively access -- based on whether the owners of the sites paid the providers top dollar. There was never any question that Obama understood the issues involved. Unfortunately, despite the fact that Obama still talks a good game regarding Net Neutrality http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/12/01/president-obamas-strong-commitment-net-neutrality-and-open-internet [3], the man he appointed to chair the Federal Communications Commission, Julius Genachowski, is proposing a Net Neutrality rule that bares scant resemblance to what candidate Obama promised. Genachowski's plan, which he unveiled Wednesday and which he wants the FCC to vote on December 21, does not restore Net Neutrality as it existed before a Republican-dominated FCC took steps to undermine the principle, nor does it guarantee Internet freedom and flexibility. (You can read Genachowski's plan here http://fcc.gov/ [4].) An analysis being circulated by the Save the Internet Coalition http://www.savetheinternet.com/ [5]asserts that Genachowski's proposed rule is riddled with loopholes, and falls far short of what's necessary to prevent phone and cable companies from turning the Internet into cable TV: where they decide what moves fast, what moves slow, and whether they can price gouge you or not: a shiny jewel for companies like ATT and Comcast. Specifically, the analysis argues http://www.savetheinternet.com/ [5] that the chairman's proposal: 1. Fails to restore the FCC's authority over Internet service providers (ISP's) like Comcast and ATT. This guarantees that the new rules, if passed, will be swiftly rejected by the courts. Any other future rules related to the Internet, such as competition policy (that would give you more choices than your expensive monopoly cable and phone company) would suffer the same fate if the Chairman continues to avoid the simple procedure that would restore his agency's authority. 2. Allows the loophole of 'specialized services,' which effectively allows these companies to split the Internet into fast and slow lanes that Net Neutrality is trying to prevent. To make matters worse, the proposal has weak protections against paid prioritization. That is, ISP's charging content providers extra to get their product to move quicker across the Net than others'. 3. Fails to make even Genachowski's tepid protections apply to wireless connections. With the inevitable explosion of super-fast wireless
Re: [Marxism] 12-01-10 Like Radio before it , then TV: Obama's FCC chair wants 'to turn the Internet into cable TV'
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == Connecting dots? Two profiles of Obama's FCC chair, Julius Genachowski: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_Genachowski http://www.fcc.gov/commissioners/genachowski/biography.html Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Marxism] WikiLeaks Site Taken Down
== Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == China did it. WikiLeaks website brought down in U.S. and Europe by 'powerful' cyber attack 'from China' Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334232/WikiLeaks-website-U-S-Europe-cyber-attack-China.html#ixzz16vYlCEPN The attack followed China urging Barack Obama to get a grip on the fallout from leaked U.S. embassy documents that revealed Beijing is privately preparing to abandon its ally North Korea. According to cables made available by WikiLeaks, the Chinese are ready to accept Korean reunification and increasingly believe their nuclear activities are 'a threat to the whole world's security'. Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334232/WikiLeaks-website-U-S-Europe-cyber-attack-China.html#ixzz16vYShcz7 On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Tom Cod tomc...@gmail.com wrote: == Rule #1: YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. == http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2010/12/01/technology/AP-US-TEC-WikiLeaks-Amazon.html?hp Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/kaliyuga%40wildblue.net Send list submissions to: Marxism@lists.econ.utah.edu Set your options at: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Marxism-Thaxis] Stalin Wasn't Stallin'
Stalin Wasn't Stallin' Stalin Wasn't Stallin' Stalin wasn't stallin' When he to1d the beast of Berlin That they'd never rest contented Til they had driven him from the land So he called the Yanks and English And proceeded to extinguish The Fuhrer and his vermin This is how it all began Now the Devil he was reading In the good book one day How the lord created Adam To walk the righteous way And it made the Devil jealous He turned green up to his horns And he swore by things unholy That he'd make one of his own So he packed two suitcases Full of grief and misery And he caught the midnight special Going down to Germany Then he mixed his lies and hatred With fire and brimstone Then the devil sat upon it That's how Adolf was born Now Adolf got the notion That he was the master race And he swore he'd bring new order And put mankind in it,s place! So he set his scheme in motion And he was winning everywhere Until he up and got the notion For to kick that Russian bear Yes he kicked that noble Russian But it wasn't very long Before Adolf got suspicious The he had done something wrong Cause that bear grabbed the Fuhrer And gave him an awful fright Seventeen months he scrapped the Fuhrer Tooth and claw, day and night Then that bear smacked the Fuhrer With a mighty armored paw And Adolf broke all records Running backward towards Krakaw The Goebbels sent a message To the people everywhere That if they couldn't hit the Fuhrer Go down hit that Russian bear (repeat verse I ) Note: Spoken (or sermonized) against a rhythm back-up Recorded originally by the Golden Gate Quartet during WWII, when Stalin was a Good Guy. Covered more recently by Robert Wyatt, Nothing Can Stop Us. RG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvFRuio-3fI ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYdZMoqD7U Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me What did the frog say to the eel? The more you wiggle, child, the better it feels Stoop down, baby, Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me Two old maids they're Layin' in a bed One rolled over, man And this is what she said She said, Wake up, old maid, Don't sleep so damn sound You 'member what you promised When you first laid down? Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby, Worryin' the hell out of me Two old maids they're Layin' in the sand One rolled over and said I wish you was a man. She said, No, no, child I ain't no man, but keep still, baby, I'll do the best I can. Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me Hold it, hold up, hold up, hold it, hold it, hold! Geez, man Hmmm... There's a cat in there Call him Jake They say he's stooped down Longer than a python snake Stoop down, baby ***! Down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me Stoop down, baby Stoop down, baby Stoop down, baby I just want you to, I just want you to Stoop down Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Niya / Minfeng
Niya / Minfeng Oasis, Desert and Ancient Shrine http://www.centralasiatraveler.com/cn/xj/nm/niya-minfeng.html ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Union business agent
Rev. Brian Jordan rips Central Labor Council President Jack Ahern on salary, demands resignation BY BRIAN KATES Nov. 27 2010 New York Daily News www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/11/27/2010-11- 27_rev_rips_union_big_on_salary_demands_clc_prez_resign .html A prominent Catholic priest has demanded a powerful union boss resign for taking a 100% pay hike when thousands of New Yorkers are jobless. The Rev. Brian Jordan, famed for his ministry to Ground Zero workers, blasted New York City Central Labor Council President Jack Ahern for pumping up his income to more than $300,000. Ahern did it by accepting a raise from $40,000 to $80,000 for his part-time job with the labor council, an umbrella group for 400 unions representing 1.3 million workers. The hike came on top of a six-figure salary from Operating Engineers Local 30, which he's led since 1996. Ahern, who talked of putting people over profits at a labor rally on Wall St. last April, earned $247,978 from the local last year, records show. Thousands upon thousands of union workers are out of work and you as a leading figure in the N.Y.C. labor movement have the audacity to demand a 100% increase in pay, Jordan wrote to Ahern. Shame on you! With the citywide jobless rate at 9.2% and nearly 365,000 New Yorkers in the jobless line, Jordan called on Ahern to submit your resignation immediately. For more, go to www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/11/27/2010-11- 27_rev_rips_union_big_on_salary_demands_clc_prez_resign .html ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please Come Home For Christmas
I used to hear all these songs regularly. My favorite is still Back Door Santa. On 12/1/2010 10:08 AM, c b wrote: Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMfGPZI59Zw ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please Come Home For Christmas
Back Door Santa they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day i make all the little girls happy, while the boys are out to play i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year i come runnin with my presents, every time they call me dear i keep some change in my pocket i chase the children home i give them a few pennies so we could be alone ileave the back door open so if anybody smells the mouse and wouldn't old santa be in trouble if there ain't n chimney in the house they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day i make all the little girls happy, while all the boys are out to play they call me back door santa yeah that's what they call me they call me the back door santa yeah that's what they call me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfhaGNoSfw http://s0.ilike.com/play#Clarence+Carter:Back+Door+Santa:304369:s294531.8098589.6215.0.1.23%2Cstd_689a559ce25e70e991a8379f22fe1a15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMj4Q6EVOW0 Back Door Santa is a song written by Clarence Carter in collaboration with Marcus Daniel, and originally performed by Carter. It was released on a compilation album Soul Christmas in 1968. The track is in a 12-bar blues format. The lyrics are sexually suggestive, not having much to do with Christmas as a holiday. Run-D.M.C. sampled the song for Christmas in Hollis. In late December 2005, The Black Crowes released a free download version of this song, complete with a horn section. This track can be heard in the film Mission: Impossible III. The Australian band Jet has also covered this song. It is available on their Japanese-only Rare Tracks compilation album. It was also performed by Bon Jovi and released on the A Very Special Christmas compilation album produced to benefit the Special Olympics. For unknown reasons, Back Door Santa was replaced on later pressings of the first A Very Special Christmas with the song I Wish Every Day Could Be Like Christmas also performed by Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi later released the track along with two other Christmas themed songs on the single for Please Come Home for Christmas In 2008, Elliott Yamin included a cover of the song in his Christmas album My Kind of Hoiday The song also appeared on the CBS sitcom How I Met Your Mother. Season 2 Episode 11: How Lily Stole Christmas Stub icon This blues song-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. v • d • e Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Door_Santa; Categories: Blues song stubs | Christmas songs | Blues songs | 1968 songs | 2005 singles Hidden categories: Articles lacking sources from December 2009 | All articles lacking sources Personal tools * Log in / create account Namespaces * Article * Discussion Variants Views * Read * Edit * View history Actions Search Search Navigation * Main page * Contents * Featured content * Current events * Random article * Donate Interaction * Help * About Wikipedia * Community portal * Recent changes * Contact Wikipedia Toolbox * What links here * Related changes * Upload file * Special pages * Permanent link * Cite this page Print/export * Create a book * Download as PDF * Printable version * This page was last modified on 26 September 2010 at 23:16. * Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. See Terms of Use for details. Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organization. * Contact us On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote: I used to hear all these songs regularly. My favorite is still Back Door Santa. On 12/1/2010 10:08 AM, c b wrote: Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMfGPZI59Zw ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please Come Home For Christmas
I used to have to wait to catch this on my local blues program every December: sometimes I'd hear it, some years I'd miss it. But thanks to YouTube, it can be Xmas every day. (I detest Xmas, though.) The key to the song is in this verse: i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year . . . When I used to sing it, the punchline would be . . . I'm back door Santa, I come every time you're here. On 12/1/2010 10:57 AM, c b wrote: Back Door Santa they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day i make all the little girls happy, while the boys are out to play i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year i come runnin with my presents, every time they call me dear i keep some change in my pocket i chase the children home i give them a few pennies so we could be alone ileave the back door open so if anybody smells the mouse and wouldn't old santa be in trouble if there ain't n chimney in the house they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day i make all the little girls happy, while all the boys are out to play they call me back door santa yeah that's what they call me they call me the back door santa yeah that's what they call me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfhaGNoSfw http://s0.ilike.com/play#Clarence+Carter:Back+Door+Santa:304369:s294531.8098589.6215.0.1.23%2Cstd_689a559ce25e70e991a8379f22fe1a15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMj4Q6EVOW0 Back Door Santa is a song written by Clarence Carter in collaboration with Marcus Daniel, and originally performed by Carter. It was released on a compilation album Soul Christmas in 1968. The track is in a 12-bar blues format. The lyrics are sexually suggestive, not having much to do with Christmas as a holiday. Run-D.M.C. sampled the song for Christmas in Hollis. In late December 2005, The Black Crowes released a free download version of this song, complete with a horn section. This track can be heard in the film Mission: Impossible III. The Australian band Jet has also covered this song. It is available on their Japanese-only Rare Tracks compilation album. It was also performed by Bon Jovi and released on the A Very Special Christmas compilation album produced to benefit the Special Olympics. For unknown reasons, Back Door Santa was replaced on later pressings of the first A Very Special Christmas with the song I Wish Every Day Could Be Like Christmas also performed by Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi later released the track along with two other Christmas themed songs on the single for Please Come Home for Christmas In 2008, Elliott Yamin included a cover of the song in his Christmas album My Kind of Hoiday The song also appeared on the CBS sitcom How I Met Your Mother. Season 2 Episode 11: How Lily Stole Christmas Stub icon This blues song-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. v • d • e Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Door_Santa; On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote: I used to hear all these songs regularly. My favorite is still Back Door Santa. On 12/1/2010 10:08 AM, c b wrote: Charles Brown: Merry Christmas BabyPlease http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMfGPZI59Zw ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
In a message dated 12/1/2010 10:02:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cb31...@gmail.com writes: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYdZMoqD7U_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYdZMoqD7U) Comment This is my understanding of the proletarian REVOLUTION. WL. Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
This is the funniest thing I remember you writing. I'm trying to figure out though which one is the proletariat. I would hate to associate the capitalist class with All That Ass. On 12/1/2010 12:40 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/1/2010 10:02:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cb31...@gmail.com writes: _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYdZMoqD7U_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuYdZMoqD7U) Comment This is my understanding of the proletarian REVOLUTION. WL. Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
In a message dated 12/1/2010 12:46:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, __rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:_rdum...@autodidactproject.org) _ (_mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org) )writes: This is the funniest thing I remember you writing. I'm trying to figure out though which one is the proletariat. I would hate to associate the capitalist class with All That Ass. Comment Somewhere, I have a copy of Merry Christmas Baby by Ollie, former lead singer of the Temptations. One of the greats is on the guitar but I forget their name at the moment. The real proletariat is the one stooping down. OK. Me. . . . man, I have always enjoyed looking up to see bottom. I guess this is beneath the underclass. My cash flow was cool but my mind has always been in poverty and on the bottom brother. Hey . . . I hit 10.5 on the glossary and yes, it is a propaganda tract. I am not an original thinker or writer. Merry Christmas Baby. I always loved the way baby can be non gender and/or gender depending on the specific context and tonal quality of the voice. Victory to the proletariat on the bottom, top, and beneath the underclass. :-) Wl. PS. Ralph has his thang set when you respond to his writing it goes to him as an individual instead of the list. To me that is fucked up. Change your thang brother. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please Come Home For Christmas
At Ye Olde Yard speakeasy, the Xmas decorations stayed up all year round. It was Christmas everyday. We used to have Xmas parties in July. The Yard was a permanant party itself, may it rest in peace. On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote: I used to have to wait to catch this on my local blues program every December: sometimes I'd hear it, some years I'd miss it. But thanks to YouTube, it can be Xmas every day. (I detest Xmas, though.) The key to the song is in this verse: i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year . . . When I used to sing it, the punchline would be . . . I'm back door Santa, I come every time you're here. On 12/1/2010 10:57 AM, c b wrote: Back Door Santa they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day i make all the little girls happy, while the boys are out to play i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year i ain't like the old saint nick, he don't come but once a year i come runnin with my presents, every time they call me dear i keep some change in my pocket i chase the children home i give them a few pennies so we could be alone ileave the back door open so if anybody smells the mouse and wouldn't old santa be in trouble if there ain't n chimney in the house they call me the back door santa i make my runs about the break of day i make all the little girls happy, while all the boys are out to play they call me back door santa yeah that's what they call me they call me the back door santa yeah that's what they call me http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMfhaGNoSfw http://s0.ilike.com/play#Clarence+Carter:Back+Door+Santa:304369:s294531.8098589.6215.0.1.23%2Cstd_689a559ce25e70e991a8379f22fe1a15 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMj4Q6EVOW0 Back Door Santa is a song written by Clarence Carter in collaboration with Marcus Daniel, and originally performed by Carter. It was released on a compilation album Soul Christmas in 1968. The track is in a 12-bar blues format. The lyrics are sexually suggestive, not having much to do with Christmas as a holiday. Run-D.M.C. sampled the song for Christmas in Hollis. In late December 2005, The Black Crowes released a free download version of this song, complete with a horn section. This track can be heard in the film Mission: Impossible III. The Australian band Jet has also covered this song. It is available on their Japanese-only Rare Tracks compilation album. It was also performed by Bon Jovi and released on the A Very Special Christmas compilation album produced to benefit the Special Olympics. For unknown reasons, Back Door Santa was replaced on later pressings of the first A Very Special Christmas with the song I Wish Every Day Could Be Like Christmas also performed by Bon Jovi. Bon Jovi later released the track along with two other Christmas themed songs on the single for Please Come Home for Christmas In 2008, Elliott Yamin included a cover of the song in his Christmas album My Kind of Hoiday The song also appeared on the CBS sitcom How I Met Your Mother. Season 2 Episode 11: How Lily Stole Christmas Stub icon This blues song-related article is a stub. You can help Wikipedia by expanding it. v • d • e Retrieved from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_Door_Santa; On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote: I used to hear all these songs regularly. My favorite is still Back Door Santa. On 12/1/2010 10:08 AM, c b wrote: Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMfGPZI59Zw ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] At The Christmas Ball
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0k7cfzTwNOM At The Christmas Ball soundclip by Fred Longshaw recording of November 18 1925, New York City from The Complete Recordings, Vol. 2 (1924-1925) (Columbia/Legacy C2K-47471), copyright notice Hey Bessie it's Christmas here Here! Here! Hurray for Christmas Christmas comes but once a year, and to me it brings good cheer, and to everyone who likes wine and beer Happy New Year is after that, happy I'll be, that is a fact That is why I like to hear, folks I say that Christmas is here Christmas bells will ring real soon, even in the afternoon There'll be no chimes shall ring at the Christmas Ball Everyone must watch their step, or they will loose their rep1 Everybody full of fare at the Christmas Ball (Excellent Joe Smith solo) Grab your partner one an' all, keep on dancing 'round the hall Then there's no one to fall, don't you dare to strut If your partner don't act fair, don't worry there's some more over there Seekin' a chance everywhere at the Christmas Ball http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqOYRawycjc http://www.youtube.com/artist?a=GxdCwVVULXeYI1JFvbRKBL3IrYB3b-iQfeature=artist ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] At The Christmas Ball - the classic
The classic _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcuvlIgSj0Yfeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcuvlIgSj0Yfeature=related) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] At The Christmas Ball - the classic
This is the real shit. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stj-zPVW_Hk_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Stj-zPVW_Hk) “Everything for Christmas.” And “Love comes with Christmas” _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmE_FyVFKAfeature=related_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exmE_FyVFKAfeature=related) Then there is the Whispers. Don't do this. WL. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
waistli...@aol.com wrote: Comment This is my understanding of the proletarian REVOLUTION. WL. Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see Stoop down, baby Let your daddy see You've got something down there, baby Worryin' the hell out of me ^^^ There's the class struggle and the ass struggle -Coleman Alexander Young in _Hard Stuff_ ( Ur stuff gotta be hard for both struggles) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Commodifying Nature in an Age of Climate Change
Commodifying Nature in an Age of Climate Change By Nnimmo Bassey Friends of the Earth International November 29, 2010 http://www.foei.org/en/blog/commodifying-nature-in-an-age-of-climate-change For about two weeks, starting today, the world will be locked into another session of negotiations on how to tackle climate change. The conference, to be held in Cancun, Mexico, has drawn less excitement than its predecessor held in Copenhagen, Denmark, a year ago. The excitement of Copenhagen was partly driven by the false information that circulated that the Kyoto Protocol was ending at that meeting. Though there were serious, but failed efforts, made at that conference to lay the protocol to rest, its first period actually ends in 2012, while a second commitment period will be entered into as soon as the first period elapses. But why would anyone want to kill the protocol and why should it be sustained? The Kyoto Protocol is seen by some as the only legally binding instrument to which the industrialised and highly polluting nations can be made to commit to cutting emissions at source. From this perspective, when countries fight to abolish the protocol, they are simply trying to avoid making any real commitment to tackling climate change. Leave it to the market? One problem with the workings of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC) and the ongoing negotiations is that it bases a chunk of its reasoning and framings on the market logic. This follows the path created by the mindset that has built a vicious paradigm of disaster capitalism, in which tragedy is seen as opportunity for profit. What do we mean by this? Rather than take steps to curtail emissions of greenhouse gases responsible for global warming, some people are busy devising ways of making every item of nature a commodity placed at the altar of the market. Through this, everything is being assigned a value and many others are privatised in addition. What makes this offensive is firstly that you cannot place a price on nature, on life. Secondly, speculators are hyping the utility of the carbon market as a means of fighting climate change. Some of the ways this manifests is through the carbon offsetting projects by which polluters in the industrialised countries continue to pollute, on the calculation that their emissions are being compensated for elsewhere. As Friends of the Earth International stated in a recent media advisory, Carbon trading does not lead to real emissions reductions. It is a dangerous distraction from real action to address the structural causes of climate change, such as over-consumption. Developed countries should radically cut their carbon emissions through real change at home, not by buying offsets from other countries. Carbon offsetting has no benefits for the climate or for developing countries - it only benefits developed countries, private investors, and major polluters who want to continue business as usual. Cancun will obviously be crawling with carbon speculators and traders, as was the case in Copenhagen. And they have good reasons to be there. They will be there because policy makers on both sides of the divide see benefits in the schemes, even though the so-called benefits are pecuniary and are actually harmful to Mother Earth. But as far as the money enters the pockets of some poor countries, the rich countries can go on polluting, having paid their penance. Not just money alone The world appears deaf to the need for real actions to curb climate change, and the focus remains on money. In fact, while many of the items of the Cancun agenda have stalled, with regard to reduction of carbon emissions in the industralised nations, there is no shortage of proposals on how carbon markets can be brought in to give appearance of action. Reducing Emissions from Deforestation and Degradation (REDD) is one of such schemes in the scheme. Quick progress is being made on REDD and already, talks are advancing on other variants of the scheme. Indigenous and forest community people are opposed to REDD and object to its implementation, as attention is being focused on forests merely as carbon stocks for mercantile purposes. Significantly, many see REDD as not seeking to stop deforestation, but merely to reduce it. It is also argued that that any reduced deforestation may not be sustained, as deforesters may just shift to another forest or zone to continue with their activities. In other words, REDD is a pretty fiction that may pump money into the pockets of some countries and corporations, but will marginalise forest peoples and will not help to fight climate change. The attraction, as critics have said, is that if this mechanism is linked to the carbon market, it will allow developed countries pay money to REDD-projects that preserve forests in developing countries, and in return receive carbon credits - buying the right to pollute. There will also be strident rejection of any role at all for the
[Marxism-Thaxis] Ella Fitzgerald - White Christmas Dinah Washington - Silent Night
Charles Brown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvdjGs12TP0NR=1feature=fvwp Ella Fitzgerald / White Christmas Dinah Washington / Silent Night www.youtube.com ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Charles Brown: Merry Christmas Baby Please Come Home F...
Lou Rawls Merry Christmas Baby with the historical big band sound is classic. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtw3lXjhujk_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gtw3lXjhujk) ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
I didn't know this was a problem. The only thing I can think of to do is to eliminate the reply-to field altogether, unless there is something else I can do using Thunderbird. On 12/1/2010 1:02 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/1/2010 12:46:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, __rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:_rdum...@autodidactproject.org) _ (_mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org) )writes: This is the funniest thing I remember you writing. I'm trying to figure out though which one is the proletariat. I would hate to associate the capitalist class with All That Ass. Comment Somewhere, I have a copy of Merry Christmas Baby by Ollie, former lead singer of the Temptations. One of the greats is on the guitar but I forget their name at the moment. The real proletariat is the one stooping down. OK. Me. . . . man, I have always enjoyed looking up to see bottom. I guess this is beneath the underclass. My cash flow was cool but my mind has always been in poverty and on the bottom brother. Hey . . . I hit 10.5 on the glossary and yes, it is a propaganda tract. I am not an original thinker or writer. Merry Christmas Baby. I always loved the way baby can be non gender and/or gender depending on the specific context and tonal quality of the voice. Victory to the proletariat on the bottom, top, and beneath the underclass. :-) Wl. PS. Ralph has his thang set when you respond to his writing it goes to him as an individual instead of the list. To me that is fucked up. Change your thang brother. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
Say that again ? On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote: I didn't know this was a problem. The only thing I can think of to do is to eliminate the reply-to field altogether, unless there is something else I can do using Thunderbird. On 12/1/2010 1:02 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/1/2010 12:46:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, __rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:_rdum...@autodidactproject.org) _ (_mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org) ) writes: This is the funniest thing I remember you writing. I'm trying to figure out though which one is the proletariat. I would hate to associate the capitalist class with All That Ass. Comment Somewhere, I have a copy of Merry Christmas Baby by Ollie, former lead singer of the Temptations. One of the greats is on the guitar but I forget their name at the moment. The real proletariat is the one stooping down. OK. Me. . . . man, I have always enjoyed looking up to see bottom. I guess this is beneath the underclass. My cash flow was cool but my mind has always been in poverty and on the bottom brother. Hey . . . I hit 10.5 on the glossary and yes, it is a propaganda tract. I am not an original thinker or writer. Merry Christmas Baby. I always loved the way baby can be non gender and/or gender depending on the specific context and tonal quality of the voice. Victory to the proletariat on the bottom, top, and beneath the underclass. :-) Wl. PS. Ralph has his thang set when you respond to his writing it goes to him as an individual instead of the list. To me that is fucked up. Change your thang brother. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Test - please ignore
Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf6ba0b2add495144st03vuc ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Test - please ignore
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:10:24 -0500 farmela...@juno.com writes: Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf6c1638cc1a4a8968st04vuc ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Test - please ignore
On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:41:43 -0500 farmela...@juno.com writes: On Wed, 1 Dec 2010 16:10:24 -0500 farmela...@juno.com writes: Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Jim Farmelant http://independent.academia.edu/JimFarmelant www.foxymath.com Learn or Review Basic Math Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4cf6c2513df4154bc4bst02vuc ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis
[Marxism-Thaxis] Temptations - Silent Night
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Re: [Marxism-Thaxis] Stoop down, baby
Oh. Waistline can go up in the address box and erase Ralph's address and put in thaxis On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Ralph Dumain rdum...@autodidactproject.org wrote: I didn't know this was a problem. The only thing I can think of to do is to eliminate the reply-to field altogether, unless there is something else I can do using Thunderbird. On 12/1/2010 1:02 PM, waistli...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/1/2010 12:46:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, __rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:_rdum...@autodidactproject.org) _ (_mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org_ (mailto:rdum...@autodidactproject.org) ) writes: This is the funniest thing I remember you writing. I'm trying to figure out though which one is the proletariat. I would hate to associate the capitalist class with All That Ass. Comment Somewhere, I have a copy of Merry Christmas Baby by Ollie, former lead singer of the Temptations. One of the greats is on the guitar but I forget their name at the moment. The real proletariat is the one stooping down. OK. Me. . . . man, I have always enjoyed looking up to see bottom. I guess this is beneath the underclass. My cash flow was cool but my mind has always been in poverty and on the bottom brother. Hey . . . I hit 10.5 on the glossary and yes, it is a propaganda tract. I am not an original thinker or writer. Merry Christmas Baby. I always loved the way baby can be non gender and/or gender depending on the specific context and tonal quality of the voice. Victory to the proletariat on the bottom, top, and beneath the underclass. :-) Wl. PS. Ralph has his thang set when you respond to his writing it goes to him as an individual instead of the list. To me that is fucked up. Change your thang brother. ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis ___ Marxism-Thaxis mailing list Marxism-Thaxis@lists.econ.utah.edu To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.econ.utah.edu/mailman/listinfo/marxism-thaxis