[MLL]global economy facing biggest threat since
IMF warns global economy facing biggest threat since 1997 crisis WASHINGTON (AP) - The global economy is facing its biggest threats since the worldwide financial crisis of 1997-98, the International Monetary Fund warned Thursday as it sharply cut its economic forecasts for this year. The IMF's worries centered on problems facing the United States and Japan, which have the world's biggest economies. IMF officials also said Europe is doing too little to fight the global slowdown. In its latest World Economic Outlook, the IMF slashed its forecast for global growth for this year by a full percentage point, to 3.2 percent compared with projections published last October. The 183-nation international lending agency, preparing for its spring meetings, also warned that a global recession cannot be ruled out, especially if a hoped-for rebound in the United States does not come. ''The outlook remains subject to considerable uncertainty, and a deeper and more prolonged downturn is clearly possible,'' the IMF said in its gloomiest economic assessment since the end of the late 1990s Asian currency crisis. The IMF's projection of 3.2 percent global growth would be down from 4.8 percent growth in 2000 and would represent the slowest pace since the world economy expanded just 2.8 percent in 1998, at the height of the Asian currency crisis. In the 1997-98 crisis, a red-hot U.S. economy kept the world from toppling into recession. This time, however, the weakness is originating in the United States as it battles a dramatic slowdown caused by plunging stock prices and cutbacks in consumer demand. The IMF predicted the U.S. economy will expand by just 1.5 percent this year, its poorest showing since the last U.S. recession ended in 1991. In its October forecast, the IMF pegged U.S. economic growth this year at 3.2 percent, more than double the current estimate. The fund also significantly lowered its forecasts for other countries. It slashed growth expectations for Japan, the world's second-largest economy, to just 0.6 percent this year, and reduced the growth forecast for 12 European nations to just 2.4 percent. Still, the IMF found reason to be optimistic that the United States will rebound this year. It pointed to consumer demand bolstered by aggressive interest rate cuts by the Federal Reserve and to expected congressional approval of most of President George W. Bush's dlrs 1.6 trillion, 10-year tax-cut program. Another hopeful sign, IMF officials said, were promises by new Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi to attack the root problems of his nation's 11-year economic slump, including bad loans held by the nation's banks. IMF officials were less positive, however, about developments in Europe. Just Thursday, the European Central Bank, which controls monetary policy in the 12-nation euro currency area, refused again to reduce interest rates. ''In a slowdown such as we are experiencing, ... it is desirable that the central bank of the second largest economic area in the world would be a part of the solution rather than a part of the problem,'' IMF chief economist Michael Mussa complained to reporters Thursday. Interest rates as well as the overhaul of operating policies for the IMF and its sister lending agency, the World Bank, will be prime agenda items at the institutions' spring meetings in Washington this weekend. Unlike last year, the discussions are not expected to draw thousands of protesters, whose activities clogged streets near the White House and resulted in more than 1,300 arrests last spring. U.S. Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan will meet with their counterparts from the world's seven richest industrial countries Saturday as a prelude to the IMF-World Bank meetings Sunday and Monday. The finance discussions will focus on current economic trouble spots. Principal ones include Argentina, mired in recession and battling turbulence in financial markets that has spilled over to its Latin American neighbors, and Turkey, seeking more IMF loans to stabilize its economy. The Turkey loan package probably will be approved by the IMF board soon, but under stricter guidelines set by the United States. The Bush administration is hoping to avoid huge IMF bailout packages approved during the Clinton years. - AP ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Marxist-Leninists and the Working Class Movement
Comrades, Magnus wrote:- Here is some information: Prairie Fire www.prairie-fire.org Interesting discussion on the new communist movement in the US: http://www.freedomroad.org/whoweare/familytree/discussion/discussion.html Thanks Magnus. I've checked out the FRSO and Prarie Fire and I find that Freedom Road is trying to address the kind of problems we are discussing here, though like with many left movements today, it still seems to have not been able to make inroads into the organised working class, which brings us back to the central problem being raised here and the question remains why this is and how it can be overcome? Fraternally Charles Magnus Bernhardsen Den 25.04.01 klokka 16:25 skreiv [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Peace, We are happy to see some healthy discussion and exchanges of experience return to the ML list. So with these comments I would like to add on to the richness of our experience. Revisionism and opportunism has been the dominant trend within the imperialist oppressor nations since WWII. We overstand this as being rooted in the economic relationships that constitutes world imperialism, the role of super-profits, and the class nature of the imperialist nations. As for the old CP was peace when it was first founded in the early 20s as a genuinely proletarian vanguard composed rooted mainly in the Eastern European communities of immigrant workers, but even then revisionism, expressing itself as an Amerikan white nationalism-chauvinism in practice then line. Other than that the cp, for the larger part of its history, was largely void of the thororoly revolutionary and proletarian masses of North Amerika such as the East Asian proletarians employed on the railroads, or the immense proletarian masses in the cotton fields of the South. In the thirties tho, we see an effort and a two-line struggle with the party to base the party in the proletariat or the expanding labor aristocracy. During and after this period the old CP continued on its path of development. the experience of the cp is rich in practical lessons for comrades today. Comrades had probably read Comrade Harry Haywood excellent and valuable Memoirs -- Black Bolshevik for a vivid description of this period, and his observations about the nature of the old CP and its contributions. In the 30s, as comrade Jackson use to say the wheels fell off. Here we see the old cp at the height of its revolution viability, temporally overcoming the rabbit Amerikan white nationalist -opportunist line within its ranks and taking a tememdous leap forward in theory and mass practice for the Amerikan Communist Party, rallying the oppressed Black communities around the line of self-determination for the Black-Belt, which was peace, and was a step in the right direction. but this position and revolutionary Marxism-Leninism itself was thrown out by the revisionist leaders of the old cp in the 40s. already comrades, we had seen the existence of this particular brand of revisionism, white Amerikan nationalism, and right-oppertunism within the ranks of the old cp, and we then seen its formal expression as Browder's revisionist and Amerikan white nationalist formulation of Amerikan exceptalism and all the rest of the the garbage. During this period the old cp was the left wing of the new-deal of the fascist Roosevelt. The old CP even liquidated its as an organized detachment of the working class, and resurfaced as something like the American Political Association or something to that effect. Due to practical activities I don't have the time to spit any longer i thought i was going to write a couple sentences, gotta be out. So that's all I will say at the moment but I know comrades on this list will push me on to say more. in struggle, Tre Also, Do comrades have any information, documents or experiences about the CP-ML, October League which formed in the 70s, Piaire -Fire Organizing Committee (which split from the Weather Underground) that formed in the U.S. There's very little info on that. Also I would like to hear experienced comrades observations and views on the 70s and 80s ML movement in the US, problems and initiatives. That would be extremely helpful. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: SUSPICIOUS HEADERS (was AW: [MLL]Zionism is Fascism!)
Comrades, Sven Buttler wrote:- The reason why some messages are not send directly through to the list and held back for approval is because they are composed with HTML (for those who don't know what it is: HTML, aronym for Hypertext Markup Language, is a discriptive "programming language". For instance, most websites are coded in HTML. Also if you are using HTML to compose your messages you can underline, colour or format your text in a special way.) Please check your mailer if it uses HTML and, if you can, turn it off. Thanks Sven, that explains a lot. My Outlook Express e-mail program is sit to send text messages by default and as such I have little problem with "suspicious header:" Please comrades try and set your e-mail program to text and hopefully this priblem will be solved. Fraternally Charles Also messages will be sent to the moderator first if they contain some kind of attachments. Several comrades have already pointed out that most viruses, trojans or worms are spread via these attachments, and this is exactly why they are held back. PLEASE DO AVOID USING ATTACHMENTS. Thanks for your understanding. Sven Buttler co-moderator ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Marxist-Leninists and the Working Class Movement
Comrades, Rafael Writes Comrades I think that these subjects are very important I want just appoint some general aspects based in my observations in Sweden. Did Sweden have any colonies? First the historical imperialist dominations process I can say that the evolution is from a colonial form to a semi- colonial forms in terms of state dominations, but the exploitation in economical terms is even harder today than in times of brutal colonialism. But now the most powerful and active in the unjust relations is the multinational companies not any more national states. That's true but the imperialist nation state will step in if the interests of its multinationals are threatened as in the case if Chile under Salvador Allende. You're right about the worse level of exploitation but from the perspective of people in a former colony, it's harder to see a local subsidiary of a multinational company as an enemy than it is to see a colonial master as an enemy. For example, during the British colonial period, Malayans were discriminated in terms of opportunities to advance in their careers both in the civil service, military, police and corporations, since the managerial and higher supervisory posts generally went to the British. In the medical services, equally qualified Malayan doctors could only become "Assistant-Doctors" and no doubt the exploitation of workers in the plantations and estates was harsh. Even the best opportunities in business went to British companies when tendering for government contracts and all this created a lot of resentment against colonial rule which was a major factor contributing to the support for the Communist Party of Malaya and other national bourgeois independence movements. However, now the situation has changed with Malaysians even heading some local subsidiaries of multinational companies such as IBM, SAP, Oracle, Texas Instruments, Motorola and so on. Furthermore, if the workers have a grievance against a local subsidiary of a multinational company, they can take their complaint to several government bodies to seek redress or even take the company to court. Malaysia also has certain particular circumstances which make some Malaysians prefer working for multinational companies and that is a racist, aparthied-like policy which gives special priveleges to one race the Malays in terms of employment, places in educational institutions, business opportunities and so on -- a policy which vrey effectively created a racial divide which is very hard for leftists and progressives to overcome. This policy was enshrined in the constitution by the British and it initially was to run for 10 years as a sort of affirmative-action programme to enable the Malays who were generally agrarian people better compete with the immigrant Chinese, Indians (East-Indians) and Eurasians who were generally urban, since the British colonialists had kept the in rural activities and relied on immigrants to work in the government, services and corporations out of fear that the Malays would soon start demanding independence. When Malaya became independent, a coalition government comprising three comprador capitalist parties -- the United Malays National Organisation (UMNO), the Malayan Chinese Association and the Malayan Indian Congress were in power and while they had some differences over certain aspects of this special privileges, they all generally agreed to it and Malayan politics has since been polarised along racial, rather than class lines which suits the local capitalists fine. Following the May 13, 1969 racial riots over these special privlieges, the Malaysian government extended the period of these special privileges indefinitely and introduced what it calls the "New Economic Policy" to bring Malays up into all areas of government services, state-owned industries and private industry. So the civil, police and military services first became staffed mainly by Malays, followed by strategic industries like telecommunications, public utilites, then state-owned enterprises -- many of which have since been corporatised with a major government equity, then the private corporations owned by people or holding companies owned by UMNO and to a leser extent even multinational companies dealing in petroleum, telecommunications and others which supply equipment to the government agencies or state-owned enterprises. The government also requires that only companies with at least 70% Malay equity can tender for government contracts and this has resulted in the multinationals creating largely Malay-owned front companies to tender for government or state-enterprise contracts while they supply the equipment and do the turnkey installation and commissioning through these front companies. Also, these state-owned companies or companies with political connections hire mainly Malay workers at all levels and this has created a lot of resentment among the Chinese, Indians and Eurasians, leading to
Re: [MLL]Marxist-Leninists and the Working Class Movement
Comrades, Bill wrote. lull. Unfortunately, some messages get held up for moderation due to "suspiscious header," so I have to ask members to bear with not seeing their message appear right away. This problem stretches back many months if not years. Delays on a list create somewhat more than a minor problem and is bound to destroy the List sooner or later. There are no such problems with Yahoo! Groups list server. Bill Indeed, that's true and Sven Buttler who knows who to contact recently replied to us moderators and said that he will look into the various problems rasied. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Stalingrad monument
Comrades
Per Rasmussen wrote:-
FINE - GOOD!!
Can someone who can write English well and perhaps Russian make something
we
can use?
OK Per. Here is the proposed English version of protest letters to be sent
to the following:-
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103132, Russia, Moscow,
Staraya ploshad, dom 4,
President of the Russian Federation,
Putin.
103074, Russia, Moscow,
Kitaigorodskii prospekt, dom 7.
Minister of Culture of Russia,
The Minister.
400060, Russia, Volgograd,
ulitsa Volodarskogo, dom 5,
The Administration,
Volgogradskoi Region.
Re: Stop the desecration of the graves of Soviet patriots at Mamayev Mound
We the undersigned -- members of the Marxist-Leninist List, an
Internet-based discussion with the mission to re-affirm Marxism, hereby
support Russian patriots in protesting the construction of an 'All Saints
Church' at Mamayev Mound which will defile the graves of Soviet patriots
who gave their valuable lives fighting for the freedom of Stalingrad and
defending the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics against Nazi fascist
invasion during the Great Patriotic War.
Despite the Russian Orthodox Church and the Volgograd regional
administration being fully aware that soil movements resulting from this
construction pose a great danger to the collapse of the Memorial Complex at
Mamayev Mound, the question of constructing this church has already gone
from the discussion stage to its practical implementation.
Neither the Orthodox religion nor the Orthodox Church defended the heroic
Soviet Union from the invasion of the Fascist occupiers. Instead, the
majority of those who defended Stalingrad were atheists while those in the
Red Army who were believers were representatives of different religions. All
of them were the true sons of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as
they guarded Stalingrad.
The construction of a church at the Mameyev Mound not only defiles the
graves of these heroes but also is a sacrilege of the monument to all the
anti-fascist fighters in the Soviet Union and abroad who gave their lives to
end the fascist yoke in the years of the Second World War and the
construction of a Russian Orthodox Church at the Mameyev Mound is also an
open outrage on the religious feelings of those heroes buried there who
professed other religions.
We thus join the proletariat of Russia in demanding you stop this outrage to
the monument to the heroes who
perished in the fierce struggle against the fascist beast in the years of
the Second World War!
Signed
signatures
==
Next a letters of Support and Solidarity to :
==
400112, Russia, Volgograd - 112
(Stalingrad), a/ya 2048.
Yevtushenko, Vladimir Nikolaevich
(Newspaper 'Stalingradskoe preodolenie').
195030, Russia, Leningrad,
prospekt Nastavnikov,
dom 25, korpus 3, k. 101,
Nikiforov, Vladimir Aleksandrovich,
('Proletarskaya gazeta')
Re: Victory to the Russuan proletariat's fight to stop the desecration of
the graves of Soviet patriots at Mamayev Mound
We the undersigned -- members of the Marxist-Leninist List, an
Internet-based discussion with the mission to re-affirm Marxism, hereby
support Russian patriots in protesting the construction of an 'All Saints
Church' at Mamayev Mound which would defile the graves of Soviet patriots
who gave their valuable lives fighting for the freedom of Stalingrad and
defending the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics against Nazi fascist
invasion during the Great Patriotic War.
At the same time we denounce the Russian Orthodox Church and the Volgograd
regional administration for deciding to go ahead with constructing the
churce, despite being fully aware that soil movements resulting from the
construction pose a great danger to the collapse of the Memorial Complex at
Mamayev Mound.
Neither the Orthodox religion nor the Orthodox Church defended the heroic
Soviet Union from the invasion of the Fascist occupiers but instead, the
majority of those who defended Stalingrad were atheists while those in the
Red Army who were believers were representatives of different religions --
all of them true sons of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics as they
guarded Stalingrad and the construction of a church not only defiles these
heroes' graves but also is a sacrilege of the monument to all the
anti-fascist fighters in the Soviet Union and abroad who gave their lives to
end the fascist yoke in the years of the Second World War.
Besides that, the construction of a Russian Orthodox Church at the Mameyev
Mound is an open outrage on the religious feelings of those heroes buried
there who professed other religions.
We thus express our support and solidarity with the proletariat of Russia in
your struggle to prevent the construction of this church which will be an
outrage to heroes who perished in the fierce fight against the fascist beast
in the years of the Second World War.
Signed
signatures
Re: [MLL]Marxist-Leninists and the Working Class Movement
Comrades, It's heartening to see activity resume on the Marxist-Leninist List after a lull. Unfortunately, some messages get held up for moderation due to "suspiscious header," so I have to ask members to bear with not seeing their message appear right away. Now turning to what George Gruenthal wrote:- Dear comrades, I would like to propose this as a subject of discussion on this list, and hope that we can have some exchange of experiences. I direct questions particularly to other comrades from the major capitalist countries, and in particular also to the comrades in Britain, since the situation there is somewhat closer to that of the United States. (This is not by any means to downplay the experience of comrades in the dependent countries - the contradictions there are in general on a much higher level, and even among the imperialist countries the U.S. is still relatively more backwards, despite some movement.) This would be a good subject of discussion and I hope that it will take into account new developments in the relationship between the bourgeoise and proletariat in the imperialist countries, in the developing countries and the inter-relationship between the two worlds today. While the basic fact that the bourgeoise in the imperialist countries exploit their own proletariat, as well as the proletariat in the developing countries remains the same, the nature of this exploitative relationship and the relationship of the developing countries and the relationship of the developing countries to the imperialist countries has changed since the times of Lenin and Mao. For example, at the time of Lenin, the major imperialist powers had their own sets of colonies which were more or less their exclusive domain for extra-territorial exploitation of land, labour, resources and markets. Their colonies provided them with the raw materials for their industries and a market for their manufactured goods. In the time of Mao, especially after World War II, when the granting of formal independence to their colonies left their former colonies in the hands of comprador bourgeoise which protected the respective imperialists' economic interests by oppressed their workers and peasants on the imperialists' and their own (the compradors') behalf. Just as in Lenin's time, during Mao's time the former collonies still provided their former colonial masters with raw materials for their industries and served as markets for their finished goods. Today however, the former colonies have opened up to inviting foreign direct investment from various imperialist countries and thus no imperialist country exclusively dominates the economies of the former colonies, nor exploits their land, labour, resources and capital. Also, some of the former colonies such as Malaysia have effectively nationalised their utilities, generation, telecommunications, plantations, petroleum, mining, airline, banking and other such strategic industries, while allowing the imperialists to set up manufacturing, marketing, equipment supply, service and retail industries. At the same time, home-grown industries have also been set up in the developing countries and combined with the output from the imperialist-owned industries, they have more or less reversed the flow of manufactured goods between the imperialist and developing countries, though the imeprialists still gain from the cheaper labour in these countries and thr profits generated therefrom. This reversal has to an extent affected the ability of the bourgeoise in the imperialist countries to continue giving their bourgeoise the concessions they could give them during Lenin's and Mao's time, while at the same time, it has provided employment and income to the proletariat of the developing countries such as Malaysia which is something Malaysia could not provide on its own. Malaysia opened up it's market to foreign direct investment from various imperialist countries, especially after the ruling comprador capitalist coalition government suffered an electoral setback in the May 10, 1969 elections and the racial conflict which followed on May 13, 1969, as the reason for this frustration was the lack of employment opportunities. As a result, American, Japanese, Dutch, Swedish, German and other factories are a common sight in these countries today, apart from the Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonalds, 7-11, Pizza Hut and other such franchises and more recently an invasion of Carrefour, Makro, Tesco and Jusco megastores. As a result, this has created a mindset of economic dependency in the minds of not only the comprador bourgeoise but also in the minds of the petty-bourgeoise, white-collar workers, professionals and also the increasing numbers of the proletariat not only in Malaysia but also in other developing countries in the region -- all of which are competing like prostitutes for the imperialists' investment. Of course, Malaysia is one of the handful of third-world countries which have
[MLL]Marxist-Leninists and the Working Class Movement
Comrades, There were a few errors in my earlier reply to George Gruenthall on this matter, so please ignore the earlier post. Turning to what George Gruenthal wrote:- Dear comrades, I would like to propose this as a subject of discussion on this list, and hope that we can have some exchange of experiences. I direct questions particularly to other comrades from the major capitalist countries, and in particular also to the comrades in Britain, since the situation there is somewhat closer to that of the United States. (This is not by any means to downplay the experience of comrades in the dependent countries - the contradictions there are in general on a much higher level, and even among the imperialist countries the U.S. is still relatively more backwards, despite some movement.) This would be a good subject of discussion and I hope that it will take into account new developments in the relationship between the bourgeoise and proletariat in the imperialist countries, in the developing countries and the inter-relationship between the two bourgeoise today. While the basic fact that the bourgeoise in the imperialist countries exploit their own proletariat, as well as the proletariat in the developing countries remains the same as in the times of Lenin and Mao, the nature of this exploitative relationship and the relationship of the developing countries to the imperialist countries has changed since the times of Lenin and Mao. For example, at the time of Lenin, the major imperialist powers had their own sets of colonies which were more or less their exclusive domain for extra-territorial exploitation of land, labour, resources and markets. Their colonies provided them with the raw materials for their manufacturing industries and as market for the manufactured goods which resulted. In the time of Mao, especially after World War II, the granting of formal independence to their colonies left their former colonies in the hands of comprador bourgeoise which, protected the respective imperialists' economic interests by oppressed their workers and peasants on the imperialists' and their own (the compradors') behalf. Just as in Lenin's time, during Mao's time the former collonies still provided their former colonial masters with raw materials for their industries and served as markets for their finished goods. Today however, the former colonies have opened up to inviting foreign direct investment from various imperialist countries and thus no imperialist country exclusively dominates the economies of the former colonies, nor do they exclusively exploits their land, labour, resources and capital. Also, some of the former colonies such as Malaysia have "Malaysianised" their public utilities, generation, telecommunications, plantations, petroleum, mining, airline, banking and other such strategic industries, while allowing the imperialists to set up manufacturing, marketing, equipment supply, service and retail industries. At the same time, home-grown industries have also been set up in the developing countries and combined with the output from the imperialist-owned industries, they have more or less reversed the flow of manufactured goods between the imperialist and developing countries, though the imperialists still gain from the cheaper labour in these countries and thr profits generated therefrom. This reversal has to an extent affected the ability of the bourgeoise in the imperialist countries to continue giving their proletariat the concessions they could give them during Lenin's and Mao's time. At the same time, it has provided employment and income to the proletariat of the developing countries such as Malaysia which is something Malaysia and most former colonies which took the capitalist path could not provide on its own. Malaysia opened up it's market to foreign direct investment from various imperialist countries, especially after the ruling comprador capitalist coalition government suffered an electoral setback in the May 10, 1969 elections and the racial conflict which followed on May 13, 1969, as the reason for this frustration was the lack of employment opportunities. As a result, American, Japanese, Dutch, Swedish, German and other factories are a common sight in these countries today, in addition to the Kentucky Fried Chicken, McDonalds, 7-11, Pizza Hut and other such franchises and more recently an invasion of Carrefour, Makro, Tesco and Jusco megastores. As a result, this has created a mindset of economic dependency in the minds of not only the comprador bourgeoise but also in the minds of the petty-bourgeoise, white-collar workers, professionals and also the increasing numbers of the proletariat not only in Malaysia but also in other developing countries in the region -- Countries which are competing like prostitutes for the imperialists' investment. Of course, Malaysia is one of the handful of third-world countries which have managed to become fairly wealthy and in some
Re: [MLL]Stalingrad monument
Comrades, Per asked:- Subject: SV: [MLL]Stalingrad monument SHAME ON THEM Can we do anything useful? Powerful The best we could do is to organise a joint petition and message of support to the people and organisations mentioned in George's earlier post. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Record 162,867 job cuts in US last month
Record 162,867 job cuts in US last month WASHINGTON - American businesses announced plans for record job cuts last month as a cooling economy reduced demand for labour, a private survey showed. Businesses intended to eliminate 162,867 jobs, up 60 per cent from 101,731 in February, according to Challenger, Gray Christmas, a job placement firm in Chicago. The March figure was the highest monthly one since the company began a daily tally of announcements in 1993. Firms announced an average of 7,755 job cuts daily for the 21 business days last month that Challenger examined. The data excludes any announcements made on March 30. Job cut announcements are not the same as firings as companies sometimes trim payrolls through encouraging early retirement or attrition. Some find work elsewhere in the company. Electronics, telecommunications and computer firms announced the most reductions as a slump in spending on communications gear hurt profits. Solectron, the biggest contract maker of electronics goods such as computers and cellphones, said last month it cut 8,200 jobs. It said this week that it planned to fire another 1,075 workers. Electronics companies moved to eliminate 24,684 jobs, those in telecommunications announced plans to cut 22,456 jobs and computer businesses planned to reduce payroll by 19,034 positions. The largest job-cut announcement came from Delphi Automotive Systems, the largest car-parts maker. It will axe 11,500 jobs as it sells or closes nine plants. Visteon, the third-largest car-parts maker, and TRW, the No 2 maker of airbags, also said they would cut jobs because of production cutbacks at the car makers. The second-largest cuts will take place at Procter Gamble, the leading maker of household products. It will eliminate 9,600 more jobs as earlier reductions did not revive profit. The Challenger survey came a day before the Labor Department released its March employment report. Analysts surveyed by Bloomberg News expect the jobless rate to have risen to 4.3 per cent last month and the economy to have added 60,000 positions, or less than half the 135,000 created in February.--Bloomberg News ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Fw: [WW] We're online
Comrades, I think the panic over being cut off is over. Workers World is up again as this e-mail messages says. Charles - Original Message - From: "WW" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:06 AM Subject: [WW] We're online Hi, Our Internet connection has been restored and Workers World News Service will restart broadcasting today. Thanks for you messages of support and solidarity, Gary for WW ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Fw: [WW] WW news service will be offline temporarily
refusing to take steps to stop it, the Macedonian fighting is more of a problem for the European NATO countries than for Washington. The European NATO powers are thrown back into the wartime situation of dependency on U.S. military might to get out of a crisis. Whatever the conscious strategy, it is apparent that neither the U.S. nor its allies can bring peace and prosperity to the region. They can only plunge it into another war. RESISTANCE TO U.S.-NATO OCCUPATION GROWS The NATO occupation was the focus of a series of international anti-war conferences held in Athens, Berlin and Belgrade on the anniversary of the attack on Yugoslavia. In Belgrade, 30 people from 17 countries and 100 people from Yugoslavia took part in the Belgrade Forum on March 22-23. They also took part in a mass anti-NATO protest demonstration on March 24. Italian journalist Fulvio Grimaldi, who attended the Belgrade Forum, told Workers World that "there were tens of thousands on the demonstration organized by the Socialist Party of Serbia. Many were young people, which is a new development. Last fall the pro-SPS people were mainly older, including former partisans. A new layer of the population is coming into activity." Grimaldi is a senatorial candidate of the Italian Communist Refoundation Party in the upcoming May 13 national elections. The Belgrade Forum's closing appeal reviewed the crimes of the U.S. and NATO against Yugoslavia and against peace, and demanded an end to the occupation and reparations for damages. It also ended with the following program of action: "Raise public awareness in our respective countries on the truth about NATO aggression. "Demand the abolition of the illegal International Criminal Tribunal for the Federation of Yugoslavia, also called The Hague Tribunal. Defend the former president of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia--Slobodan Milosevic--as well as Dragoljub Milanovic, former Director General of Radio- Television Serbia, and all victims of political oppression. "Raise the issue of the responsibility of Carla Del Ponte, [British commander] Michael Jackson, Bernard Kouchner and others for consolidating the Albanian terrorist groups. "Insist on NATO-member countries paying compensation for the damages done during the aggression." In Berlin, a group that had held popular anti-NATO tribunals- -like ones held in the U.S. by the International Action Center--hosted the founding meeting of the European Peace Convention on March 23-24. This too had Yugoslavia as its main theme. Some 200 people from both NATO countries and the formerly socialist countries met and again condemned the imperialist criminals who launched the war. NATO's aggression against Yugoslavia and its consequences remain the major war-and-peace issue within the European anti-war and anti-imperialist movement. - END - (Copyright Workers World Service: Everyone is permitted to copy and distribute verbatim copies of this document, but changing it is not allowed. For more information contact Workers World, 55 W. 17 St., NY, NY 10011; via e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For subscription info send message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: http://www.workers.org) - Original Message - From: "Partija rada" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [MLL]Fw: [WW] WW news service will be offline temporarily Charles F. Moreira wrote on 31 March, 2001 9:35 AM Comrades, I received this from Workers World last night and its implication for our list is that we will also be affected by the closure of NorthPoint Communications Inc www.northpoint.net which provides broadband services to Workers World. We'll have to look for an alternative host or wait till Workers World find an alternative to Northpoint in about three to six weeks as stated below. Fraternally Charles Co-moderator Partija rada: Dear Charles! I hope that you will send us new information's if is there any of them. Also, I wish all the best to Comrades from Workers World in their efforts to continue with this kind of struggle. Milan ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]another list
Comrades, The Marxist-Leninist list is still active and we can continue discussions here. Fraternally Charles To all participants on MLL. Charles, Bill and I have joined and been posting on another list that you might want to consider. I am not vouching for its credentials because I have not been on it very long and I have not read comments from some participants, but so far it has looked promising. The address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fraternally, Klo ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Communist Internet List still Available
Comrades, Bill Howard wrote:- Marxist-Leninist List appears to be havin probs at the mo The fact that we can still post shows that it's still up and running, for how much longer I don't know. Only problem is inactivity. - so too Crash List - I'll take your word for that. Fraternally Charles Communist Internet List is still running despite Yahoo! losing 3% off the stock market in a single day - if you want to sub click the link below... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...more links... Communist Internet Web Site Homepage: http://www.billkath.demon.co.uk/cw/cw.html Communist-Internet eGroup Homepage: http://www.egroups.com/group/Communist-Internet Unsubcribe send email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Opportunistically, Bill. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]another list
Comrades, Klo wrote:- Charles, Please don't misunderstand what I meant. I am certainly not suggesting people leave the MLL as it is the best list I have found. I was merely suggesting that people may want to be on both. But if someone's time is limited I would certainly recommend the MLL first. Hopefully it will stay active for the duration. The best, Klo Sorry if I gave the impression that I misunderstood you. I just wanted to highlight that the MLL is still operational, though some messages still get held up of a moderator to approve due to this "suspiscious header" thing. Anyway. I personally prefer sticking with Workers World, since I believe they will eventually be up again. I don't have too much confidence that free Wen sites like offered by Yahoo will be around for very long. The laws of capitalism abhors freebies, especially when they can't earn enough side revenue (ie. advertisements) from it. The only other thing is I'm concerned why this list has gone so quiet, while lists like DownWithCapitalism are so active. Fraternally Charles To all participants on MLL. Charles, Bill and I have joined and been posting on another list that you might want to consider. I am not vouching for its credentials because I have not been on it very long and I have not read comments from some participants, but so far it has looked promising. The address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fraternally, Klo ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]test
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Re: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01)
Comrades, Viktor Bourenkov wrote:- Could the moderators block CBGPs e-mail address and any its known derivatives permanently? With communistic greetings, Viktor Bourenkov. It's been done but there's no gurantee they won't re-subscribe under a different e-mail address and it's difficult to tell until they show their true colours. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01)
Comrades, The Trots have been removed. Comrades, I can only endorse J's comments on the so-called 'Weekly Worker' and urge that the list make it clear to these sinister and vicious Trotskyites that this is list is not to be used for advertising their wretched anti-communist rag nor their sick promotion of legalisation of peodophilia and heroin. As a member of the Communist Party of Great Britain until its liquidation in 1991 I can assure comrades that this group has nothing in common with the Marxist-Leninist tendencies that remained in that party. A question. Is the present "Communist Party of Great Britain" a trotskyist organisation now? In one of the earlier messages objecting to them, a comrades said something to the effect that it is not a Trot party but this sect is. There's a good article by Barry Stoller, "Left Wing" Libertarianism on this issue of Trotskyites advocating things like peadophilia, etc and it can be found at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BarryStoller/message/12 Fraternally Charles This faction/cult led by the openly Trotskyite Jack Conrad is not recognised in any way as a successor party to the liquidated CPGB indeed its main purpose is to detract from efforts aimed at a unified communist formation in Britain. The two communist organisations that emerged out of the CPGB in the seventies and eighties -- the New Communist Party and the Communist Party of Britain both treat the 'Conrad Party of Great Britain' with the disdain they deserve and other Marxist-Leninists in other organisations and of none, are waging a co-ordinated campaign to rid our movement of this provacative and deceitful clique. Comradely Harry From: "Charles F. Moreira" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01) Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 15:35:55 +0800 Comrade, I've forwarded your objection to the moderators panel and we'll decide on what to do shortly. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "hkb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01) The Weekly Worker is NOT the paper of the Communist Party Of Great Britain, but of a tiny Trotskyite sect which (mis)uses the name. It's paper, the Weekly Wrecker is famous soley for being no more than a fractional gossip sheet for the Left in the UK. They call for the violent overthrow of Cuba's socialist system and describe Fidel Castro as a "Dictator" and describe Stalin as a "mass murderer". During the NATO war against Yugoslavia, the Weekly Worker were vocal in their support for the KLA - even printing an interview with a KLA commander at the height of the war and calling for "Victory To The KLA"! After the recent bombing of Iraq they gave tacit approval to this terrorist action on the front-page of their paper. And during the CIA coup in Yugoslavia they ran with the fron-page headline "TRY MILOSOVIC". Ian Donovan, a leading Weekly Worker 'ideologist' who penned the article mentioned below on Macedonia, openly boasts that he considers Communists to be the same as Hitlers Nazi's and regularly describes anyone who opposes NATO imperialism as "Red/Brown" and liberally throws in accusations of communist "anti-semitism" and "mass murder". And to top it all off, the Weekly Worker are open advocates of the lagalisation of peadophilia and heroin. Don't believe me? It's all available on their website (see below). J. - Original Message - From: "W W" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01) Weekly Worker 376 - Towards the Daily Worker In this week's Weekly Worker, paper of the Communist Party of Great Britain; Macedonia and Consistent Democracy - Ian Donovan demands a consistent democratic approach to the latest Balkan flare-up. Foot and Mouth Outbreak - Only a working class approach can resolve the current crisis, argues Michael Malkin From Iskra to Pravda - Mark Fischer examines the sort of paper the working class needs. Australian Left Unites - Marcus Larsen reports on the coming together of the Australian Left under a Socialist Alliance banner. SSP Retreats Before Drugs Onslaught - Carol Newson sees signs of a retreat from the Scottish Socialist Party's position on the legalisation of cannabis. Welcome Shift - Phil Watson calls on the Worker's Power group to end bureacratic poscriptions on it's membership. AK47s and Calculators - Ian Farrell analyses amendments put forward by Worker's Power to the March 10th SA Pol
Re: [MLL]Test
Comrades George G wrote: This is just a test. I have gotten only about 1 message from the ML list in a few days, and one that I sent out to the list was returnred to me as undeliverable. George I am experiencing the same thing George. Messages are very sparse. Fraternally, Klo I checked the server and just released six messages and approved three applications for subscription. I've sent a message to the moderators on these problems and also about problems of a lack of enthusiasm and sustainability of discussion on this list, which has become more of a posting board for political news, statements and commentaries with very occassional discussion like what's been going on between Klo and Harry Steele about Webb's statement. More in this matter later. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]On Webb's Strategy and Tactics
Comrades, Harry Steele wrote:- Yes, but is it not the case that in the past communists have helped to successfully form an alliance between the working class and other classes including what could be termed the petit-bourgouise? Indeed yes but should the communists confine themselves to the interests of the petty bourgeosie or include it as part of a broader proletarian struggle for socialism. This was the case in China where the "national bourgouise" were seen as a potential ally against the "comprador" elements who had allied themselves with imperialism -- there are plenty of other examples. Yes but the Communist Party of China did not make the concerns of the national bourgeoise their main political platform but rather a part of their broader programme. In a period where capitalism is taking on increasingly monopolistic forms and there is a concentration of capital in an increasingly small number of giant companies, is there not a case for trying to win over some small business people, shop keepers, locally based small companies etc to the view that a socialised and planned economy is in their interests? Yes there is but it must be based upon policies and strategies of the communist party and NOT organisations of the petty-bourgeoise. In short the proletarian party should lead and not tail the petty bourgeoise. That does not mean reducing the import of the working class, but could be seen as part of a strategy of winning allies for the class and the party couldn't it? Yes it should but judging from what Klo originally posted, it looks like the CP USA is making a petty bourgeois concern the party's key strategy which is wrong. An anti-monopoly is not a path to socialism, though it could very well form part of its struggle for socialsm, which might be what Webb intended to mean but failed to express it in such words. Fraternally Charles From: KloMcKinsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MLLlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MLL]On Webb's Strategy and Tactics Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:27:37 +0800 STRATEGY OF THE CPUSA While perusing the website of the CPUSA I decided to read an article by Sam Webb, National Chair of the CPUSA, entitled Discussion on Strategy and Tactics. Although much of the document is commendable I must respectfully disagree with an important assertion that is repeated several times. Nearly halfway through the writing he makes the following statements, "Let me try to illustrate this point with a single example: our strategic approach in present circumstances isn't identical with our approach, say in the late 1950's and early 1960's, but it hasn't changed greatly either. Its thrust then and now is against corporate domination of our nation's political and economic life." Later he says, "The policy rests on the fact that large corporations and banks dominate the political and economic life of our country as well as form the structural underpinnings of the system of capitalism. With their economic and political power, these corporate behemoths determine the fate of hundreds of millions of people at home and around the globe." And he also states, "Stagnating wages and income, high energy costs, rising unemployment, skyrocketing rents, privatization of public services, the wage gap, strike breaking, persistent racism and discrimination, the corruption of our political process, the erosion of our democratic rights, anti-immigrant bashing, environmental degradation, persistent and growing poverty, and militarist aggression - all of this and more can be traced in one way or another to monopoly corporations and banks and their relentless search for maximum corporate profits. That's their bottom line." And finally he contends, "The anti-monopoly strategy is our path to socialism." To that which is implied by these comments I say, No it is not our path to socialism, nor has it ever been. This is a petty bourgeois ideological approach that is quite acceptable to a large segment of capitalist society. An anti-monopoly strategy does not equal an anti-capitalist strategy and it is certainly not equatable with a pro-socialist philosophy. Sam's philosophy in this regard is not only quite acceptable to the petty bourgeois class but lies at the core of many of their preachings. In fact, Sam implies as much when he says, "Even some segments of the capitalist class feel the pinch of its policies." Exactly, and that is why these segments are the strongest advocates of anti-trust laws and similar legislation, but theirs is neither an anti-capitalist or pro-socialist program. Later Sam says, "It [the program he is advocating] aims to unite millions of our nation's working people and their allies to radically curb the political and economic power of the biggest monopolies. It is at once a class and a democratic struggle." This comment is misleading because it implies a
Re: [MLL]Test
Klo, Thanks for your assessment and the commentary by Barry Stoller which is interesting and which I'll have to study in greater detail later. Your assessment is correct. It has, indeed, drifted into a news posting list. Where are Jim Hillier, Sven, bon moun, and many others? Are they still with us? With regards discussions on this list, I've been wondering whether we should have discussions dealing with contemporary issues like the one you, Steele and Stoller are discussing with references back to the classics and contemporary writings? Have we been discussing theoretical and historical issues in a vacuum which results in people quickly losing interest in continuing the thread of the discussion? On the other hand, is this a common occurrence on most lists, since I haven't received anything from the Cuba Si list since the 22nd, though activity on the Stalinskaya list appears to be picking up? Could a lack of list activity be because with the current slowdown in the economy, collapse of dotcom companies, retrenchments in the information technology and Internet industries, people simply have less time to spend on lists like this? Any ideas?? Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01)
Comrade, I've forwarded your objection to the moderators panel and we'll decide on what to do shortly. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "hkb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 2:36 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01) The Weekly Worker is NOT the paper of the Communist Party Of Great Britain, but of a tiny Trotskyite sect which (mis)uses the name. It's paper, the Weekly Wrecker is famous soley for being no more than a fractional gossip sheet for the Left in the UK. They call for the violent overthrow of Cuba's socialist system and describe Fidel Castro as a "Dictator" and describe Stalin as a "mass murderer". During the NATO war against Yugoslavia, the Weekly Worker were vocal in their support for the KLA - even printing an interview with a KLA commander at the height of the war and calling for "Victory To The KLA"! After the recent bombing of Iraq they gave tacit approval to this terrorist action on the front-page of their paper. And during the CIA coup in Yugoslavia they ran with the fron-page headline "TRY MILOSOVIC". Ian Donovan, a leading Weekly Worker 'ideologist' who penned the article mentioned below on Macedonia, openly boasts that he considers Communists to be the same as Hitlers Nazi's and regularly describes anyone who opposes NATO imperialism as "Red/Brown" and liberally throws in accusations of communist "anti-semitism" and "mass murder". And to top it all off, the Weekly Worker are open advocates of the lagalisation of peadophilia and heroin. Don't believe me? It's all available on their website (see below). J. - Original Message - From: "W W" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 25, 2001 6:32 PM Subject: [MLL]Weekly Worker 376 (21/3/01) Weekly Worker 376 - Towards the Daily Worker In this week's Weekly Worker, paper of the Communist Party of Great Britain; Macedonia and Consistent Democracy - Ian Donovan demands a consistent democratic approach to the latest Balkan flare-up. Foot and Mouth Outbreak - Only a working class approach can resolve the current crisis, argues Michael Malkin From Iskra to Pravda - Mark Fischer examines the sort of paper the working class needs. Australian Left Unites - Marcus Larsen reports on the coming together of the Australian Left under a Socialist Alliance banner. SSP Retreats Before Drugs Onslaught - Carol Newson sees signs of a retreat from the Scottish Socialist Party's position on the legalisation of cannabis. Welcome Shift - Phil Watson calls on the Worker's Power group to end bureacratic poscriptions on it's membership. AK47s and Calculators - Ian Farrell analyses amendments put forward by Worker's Power to the March 10th SA Policy Conference. Can the Republican Communist Network Go Forward? - Dave Craig evaluates the RCN's future. Defeat Failed Ideas - Simon Harvey of the Socialist Labour Party issues a call to it's membership. In Defence of Bedfordshire SA - The RDG looks at the reasons behind the SWP's refusal to participate. Plus Letters, Socialist Alliance Round-Up, and Action. Extracts from this edition can be read at http://www.cpgb.org.uk/worker/376 For more information and sub details, go to http://www.cpgb.org.uk , email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or write to CPGB, BCM Box 928, London, WC1N 3XX, quoting 'e-ad'. The Communist Party of Great Britain is an affiliate of the Socialist Alliances. Please visit http://www.socialistalliance.net _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Test
Comrades, Klo wrote:- PS. I got the following message from Barry Stoller. Does anyone have any info regarding the orientation of his list. Barry sounds pretty good. Klo Your post to the Marxist-Leninist list about anti-monopoly tactics (re: CPUSA) was brilliant. Cut quick to the real problem among the left and quasi-left today: petty-bourgoeis mentality radicalized in the rhetoric of anarchism. While Marxists acknowledge the dialectical movement of centralized capitalism INTO collectivized ownership of the means of production, today's 'populist' opposition to capitalism is, alas, confined to an anti-CORPORATISM which, with little encouragement, opposes collectivized socialism with as much vitriol. Indeed this is very true. Much of the anti-corporate sentiment found among the environmental, ecological, sustainable development, hippie, consumer, Libertarian, marijuana legalisation, anti-war and other such movements may seem anti-capitalist but they are not. In reality they are virulently anti-communist and even racist and fascist. Just visit Web sites of Britain's neo-Nazi British National Party and other such neo-Nazi or fascist organsiations and one can see this anti-corporatism linked to anti-Semitism. Fraternally Charles I am forwarding your essay to my debate forum, downwithcapitalism, address below, in the hopes of promulgating your fine presentation of this problem. Please visit, subscribe or participate: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/downwithcapitalism Barry Stoller http://utopia2000.org ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]China on the capitalist road
Comrades, This article by a Malaysian author currently in Shanghai which was published in Malaysiakini, an online publication in Malaysia gives us an indication of China's current position on the capitalist road. www.malaysiakini.com ONLY THE NEWS THAT MATTERS http://www.malaysiakini.com/News/2001/03/2001032405.php3 NEWS Saturday March 24 Chinese dragon not waiting for the future Foong Wai Fong 12:14pm, Sat: The rise of China is not a future event. The Chinese economic reforms and opening have put China in a leading position in the political, economic and social order of Asia. China's super presence in the global economy has also risen very rapidly. Health Minister Chua Jui Meng the other day in opening a karaoke competition made a call to take up Mandarin, as "China will be a very important economic model in 20 years." Keen China watchers will want to correct this impression; China has already eclipsed Southeast Asia in economic leadership. Malaysia will ignore this trend to its own disadvantage. The current squabble over mother-tongue education, especially Chinese education in Malaysia, reflects a big gap in grasping reality. Malaysian public policy must adjust quickly to the present fast changing regional environment to maintain the country's relevance in the region. Numbers speak louder and paint better pictures. Take a look at these strategic statistics: - GDP: China's total GDP is US$1 trillion, ranks fourth in the world, after the US, Japan and Germany. At purchasing power parity (PPP), it could rank higher. One survey estimates 25 million of China's coastal population to have reached GDP per capita of US$8,000 (Malaysia's 23 million has per capita GDP of US$3,248). Income has doubled every 10 years for the last two decades. The middle class at PPP measures is reaching critical mass; urban Chinese spends only 20 percent of total income on food today. - Asean's share of exports to the US dropped from 23 percent in 1997 to 20 percent in 1999, China's export rose from 22 percent in 1997 to 24 percent, in spite of the currency devaluations in Asean. The reminbi held its ground during and after the financial crisis, and we have reason to believe that it won't become fully convertible in another 5-10 years. China took up 52 percent of net FDI inflow into Asia in 1999, taking US$40.4 billion of US$78.7 billion - China now has the third largest stock market in Asia, and best performing in 2000, with 1,049 companies listed, market capitalisation is 80 percent of its 1999 GDP, some 4.8 trillion yuan (US$578.3 billion). If ranked by the number of listed companies, it is second after Tokyo. The Chinese saving pool is huge: in 2000, Chinese saved 6.4 trillion yuan (US$774 billion), 80 percent in the banks, against foreign reserves of US$162 billion. Some 58 million Chinese have stockbroking accounts. Why is the Chinese stock market shooting through the roof? Simple answer: a basic demand overwhelming supply situation. In 2000 alone, more than 13 million new investors started accounts in the stock market. - Mortgage and consumer lending tripled from $11 billion in 1999 to $31 billion in 2000. For example in 2000, one third of the Industrial and Commercial Bank's (ICBC) loans went to consumers, mostly for mortgages, reflecting the government's epiphany that consumers can be a source of growth. In 2001, it is shooting for 40 percent. The estimated $250-400 billion in bad debts problem (25-40 percent of GDP), up to two-thirds has been moved to an asset management company, the plan is complete restructuring in 10 years. Chinese banks will be very powerful players; for example, Industrial and Commercial Bank of China (ICBC) with 420 million individual accounts, eight million corporate clients, it went from no credit cards 10 years ago to 76 million today, it has US$500 billion in assets, it is the No10 bank in the world, with 25 percent of China's market. - While the rest of Asia frets about a US slowdown, exports are no longer the main driver of growth (the sector only makes up 30 percent of GDP in 2000), the Chinese economy has shifted to being domestically led, achieving greater self-reliance. China also has a healthy national debt level, at less than 15 percent of GDP (compared to well over 130 percent in Japan). When the reforms deepen and spreads afar to the vast western region, China's dependence on exports, and to the outside global economy will further reduce. With infrastructure spending, upgrading of the coastal industrial sector and modernisation of the farm sector, reform of the banking and capital markets, domestic demand will be further strengthened. China's middle class is reaching critical mass. Size matters - China has the lowest labour cost in Asia, outside Indonesia. But if you put in the unemployment and the surplus productive human resources from the West and the under performing state sector
Re: [MLL]RE: List matters
Comrades, Milan wrote: Dear Comrade! Thank you for information. But since we are members of list, is it possible that News0101 looks like "suspicious header"? Really, this story about "suspicious header" looks like a god idea for paranoic vision that someone like to do a bit of censorship job on list. Milan Well, bearing in mind that Workers World would be a highly likely target for rightist attacks, it's not surprising that they have a lot of security in place. Furthermore, I don't have any illusions that if the bourgeoise wanted to, they could easly censor the Net, and so would the proletariat when it is power but this I would say is more of a progressive organisation's methods to safeguard itself against reactionary elements. Fraternally Charles Comrades, Just a note to tell you that I've released nine messages held up in the server for a variety of reasons including "suspiscious header," some are non-members and other reasons. Besides "non members" I don't know why the server behaves like this. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Virus details!
Sanjay comrade, Well done. We're not experts but we can solve such problems collectively. I've scanned my PC and it' s OK for now. Charles - Original Message - From: "Sanjay Singhvi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marxist Leninist List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 3:39 AM Subject: [MLL]Virus details! Comrades, I have just spent over four hours on the net and located the virus and cleaned my system. The virus is the "W95.MTX" or the "W95.MTX.dr" virus. You can find out if your system is infected by checking whether any of the following files are to be found in your computer IE_PACK.EXE MTX_.EXE WIN32.DLL WSOCK32.MTX If any of the above files do exist then you are infected. Go to http://vil.mcafee.com/dispVirus.asp?virus_k=98797; for details on this virus. The removal instructions can also be found there. All the strange attachments that we have been getting in the past few months are also to be found mentioned there. I am sure that most of us must be infected. If you need to download the latest anti-virus software (from download.Symantec.com if you use Norton as I do) and get rid of the virus. Till them may I suggest that no attachments be sent or opened as this virus spreads through attachments? Comradely, Sanjay ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Fw: [Cuba SI] VIRUS ALERT
Comrades, This warning was posted to the Cuba Si group and looks somethig like what affected Sanjay's computer. Also it looks like it's created by someone targetting leftist and progressive discussion groups. Prevention is better than cure, so please be careful of what attachments you open. Fraternally - Original Message - From: "mart" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "NY Transfer News" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "New Worker Online" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Mrs. Jela Jovanovic" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "Vicki Andrada" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "nicole" [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 6:19 AM Subject: [Cuba SI] VIRUS ALERT . If you receive an e-mail entitled "Snow White and The Seven Dwarfs", from someone named" HaHaHa", do not open it. Delete it immediately It is a virus. It's not really new. It's been around before but it's making the rounds again. I received two copies today It appears that the bastard is sending this crap may be targeting progressives, as he seems to be getting addresses from the PTTP, CUBA SI , CUBA NEWS and possibly other lists. mart. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/K4NVlB/TM -_- Cuba SI - Imperialism NO! Socialism or death! Patria o muerte! Venceremos! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/cubasi Post message: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Strange messages
Sanjay comrade, I was just administrating five messages held up in the WW server, I released four but one -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] contained another .exe file attachment which appeared to be an Internet Explorer virus so I deleted it without letting it go to the list. This e-mail address is not subscribed to the list. I thought the same, that perhaps it's a sort of "I love you" type of virus automatically sending these messages out but why to our list. Such a virus would send messages out to people at random. Yes, we should check our PCs and scan them with anti-virus software updates with the latest virus definitions. I'm not a computer whiz but I'll see what I can do. If Sanjay Singhivi's computer was switched off, then this person is operating from somewhere else. Or maybe it is a plant residing unknown on someone else's computer. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Sanjay Singhvi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marxist Leninist List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 7:08 PM Subject: [MLL]Strange messages Comrades, I have down with a mild slip disc since the past one week. On opening my mail today I found two messages bearing the attachment ing_with_dogs. The e-mails claim to have originated from [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is my e-mail address. I have obviously not sent any such messages. (All messages sent by me anyway have "Sanjay Singhvi" as the sender's name and not my e-mail address. In fact I have sent no messages at all since the past one week. Besides being extremely embarrassing this is also very dangerous. This means that even when I am off the list and, indeed, when my computer is shut down, some messages reach the list purporting to be from my e-mail address. I believe from Com. Charles' later mail that the attachment is a virus. Please can we all check our own computers and would the moderators also please check the list itself for viruses? The problems being reported by Javad and others are also indicative of a virus. How can we solve the problem? Any computer whiz on this list to take the lead please! Comradely, Sanjay ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL] We Won't Go Back
Comrades, I don't know how to stop this, since I don't know the contact person with the WWPublish server site. Only Sven would know. I know this is a problem as I checked the administrators' page and found 49 messages queued up. I can only go in and release them. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: Partija rada To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [MLL] We Won't Go Back I don't want to panic, but, how does looks these messages to you: Your mail to 'Marxist-Leninist-List' with the subject News 0101Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious headerEither the message will get posted to the list, or you will receivenotification of the moderator's decision. or this one: Your mail to 'Marxist-Leninist-List' with the subject [MLL] Curious messages?Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious headerEither the message will get posted to the list, or you will receivenotification of the moderator's decision. Revolutionary greetings, Milan
[MLL]PSM FLAGS INVADE IPOH TOWN !
Comrades, Some news from Malaysia. The Parti Sosialis Malaysia (PSM) claims to be Marxist-Leninist but is more of a left social democratic party but it is building up close links to the working class, especially the plantation workers -- mainly ethnic Indian (East Indian to North Americans) -- who are among the most exploited. The government of Malaysia has dragged its feet over registration of the PSM as a political party, so it operates as an ad-hoc party, though it's not illegal either. BTW. Ipoh is a town about 160 KM north of Kuala Lumpur and is the capital of the state of Perak which is a rich tin-mining area. Fraternally Charles PSM FLAGS INVADE IPOH TOWN ! Ipoh, 17th. February 2001 Today, Ipoh town witnessed a new alien. The PSM (Parti Sosialis Malaysia) flag - striking red with a clenched left fist was seen everywhere leading to the Dewan Tow Boh Keong at town centre. The hall itself was full of the flags. One observer said, "it seems PSM has invaded Ipoh". The PSM Sg. Siput fund raising dinner held today was an overwhelming victory when a thousand people attended the dinner. The attendance was an endorsement by the work done all this while by front members as well as PSM activist in Ipoh and Sg. Siput. The crowd had a mixture of mostly working class people from various communities surrounding Ipoh as well as Sg. Siput. The Alternative Front(BA) too participated in full force. The programme started at 8pm. when a slide show was presented. The first slide was a poem by PSM chairperson Comrade Nasir Hashim. The poem titled "Perjuangan Sosialis" described the struggle as opposing all cruelty, all colonialisation, all hypocrisy and all exploitation to create a new system which can unite all the differences. The Slide show was followed by the welcoming address from PSM Sg. Siput treasurer Sdr. Sukumaran. Then PSM Secretary General, Comrade Arutchelvan addressed the crowd. Among the highlight of his speech was when he announced that PSM will field Dr.Jeyakumar for a rematch with Samy Vellu for 2004 to end Samy Vellu's legacy in Malaysian politics. This brought rousing applause from the floor. This was followed by other speeches and performances. Among the guest of honour who attended were Parti Keadilan Nasional, Secretary General Sdr. Anuar Tahir, Sdr. Mohd Azhar from Pemuda PAS, Hew Yoon Tat- PRM Ipoh Brach chairperson as well as other leaders from villagers and estates. PSM Party Chairperson, Comrade Nasir in his keynote speech said that PSM though a small party will always fight the odds. He said the party became the first party in Malaysian history to take the Home Minister to court. He also talked about the numerous grassroot efforts and intervention by the party. We will fight fearlessly for the struggle, he declared. Anuar Tahir in his speech among other things said, " if BN is afraid to endorse PSM registration, then BA will register the party when BA comes to power". This statement received tremendous applause from the floor. The event was interrupted when a group of farmers from Gunung Pari Kuala Kuang wanted to present the party with a souvenir. They presented a red banner with the words, " Long Live The Peoples Struggle" to party chairperson. A sketch was also presented by party front in Kajang, Community Development Centre. The Sketch was titled what happened in Sg. Siput in 1999. The sketch brought much laughter as well as took a swipe at BN dirty tactics and Samy Vellu. The much awaited speech from Dr. Jeyakumar then followed. Dr. Kumar spoke about the problem faced by the people. He said the problems encounted by the nation is not a racial nor a religious problem. It is the problem between the rich and the poor. To address this inequal system, the socialist analysis and PSM has become relevant. The event ended with a song from Band Rakyat titled "Uprising". The band which has created several interesting hits about local struggles entertained the crowd and was well received by the audience. The day ended with the slogan, " Long Live working class, Long Live Class Struggle" which was shouted in all three languages. PSM has grown in the last two years. The support received by the party in its first public gathering in Ipoh was overwhelming. It has made PSM a potential force in a town previously controlled by the Seenivasagam brothers.' ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]List matters
Comrades, My resposne to Javad was held up but this time I've managed to release it from the WWPublish server and subsequently released 26 other messages and approved three subscription requests. However, I don't see the 26 messages, though they may come later. The wwpublish server is rather slow at times. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Alert! strange attachment
Comrades, One of the messages I believed I released is from a [EMAIL PROTECTED] contains an attachment named "f***king dogs" DONT OPEN IT. DELETE IT RIGHT AWAY. Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]List matters
Comrades, Klo wrote:- Charles I am getting a stream of messages I sent out weeks ago that have already been posted. Klo Thanks, that's them. However did you notice any duplicates? Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]test
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Re: [MLL]Virus
Sanjay comrades, I noticed that message a few days back and it had the name "Sanjay" but I guessed it wasn't you. It looked suspiscious. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Sanjay Singhvi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marxist Leninist List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2001 3:42 PM Subject: [MLL]Virus Comrades, Sorry, I have been away in Kerala in the south of India for the past week. Of course, there are a lot of mails that I would like to answer but first something disturbing. I found a mail to this list from [EMAIL PROTECTED] which is my own e-mail address. This in itself is suspicious since my contributions to this list never show the address but rather my name i.e. "Sanjay Singhvi". When I opened this mail there was no text but only an attachment named "QI-test.exe". I at once deleted this attachment since I had not sent it. This definitely means that there is a virus on this list. Please locate it and let us weed it out. Comradely, Sanjay ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism!
Javad comrade, You wrote Comrade Moreira, In order to discuss an issue, I usually prefer the primary sources over the secondary ones. So, the source of the Wang Ming's private conversation with Mao is Wang Ming's own book, Mao's Betrayal. OK thanks. I accept it as a reliable source. When you state that you have "heard and read of references to `the Moscow group' in discussions with student comrades and Chinese publications and believed that they were supporters of Soviet revisionism an this thread you have started will tell it from a different perspective, whether or not I end up agreeing with you or not", it gives the impression that this "Moscow group" story started during the Khrushchev misleadership. But contrary to this impression, its history is earlier than the Khrushchev misleadership time, and goes back to the time when Stalin was the leader of the USSR and the Chinese Communist Party was in struggle against the imperialism. Thanks for pointing the chronological aspect out. However, if the CPC leadership had wanted to discredit anyone aligned to the Soviet line for dishonest reasons, it would not have bothered about chronology. What are your criticism's of Mao's work on New Democracy, his comment that Stalin was 70% correct and why China and Albania went revisionist. Fraternally Charles Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism!
Comrades,
Firstly, I'd like to ask Cde. Javad about the trustworthiness of the source
of this account of what Wang Ming said about Mao, since Wang's accusations
of Mao seem more like slanders than honest criticism and evaluation of his
policies.
I've heard of another account in a recently published boot that his doctor
said that Mao frequently had sex with teenage girls and while I don't
remember this book's title or who it was written by, it's obviously one of
those "revelations" by the imperialists to discredit Mao.
The damage it did was to turn my friend and comrade in my student days in
the 1970's from a stauch Maoist and supporter of Stalin and Enver Hoxha into
one who is critical of Mao, Stalin and Hoxha in the late 1990's.
He said that Hoxha personally executed a leading PLA member (can't remember
who) for being a CIA agent and he asked why Hoxha did not kill him earlier,
despite knowing that he was an agent.
Secondly, whether the account is true or not, I'm in favour of Javad's
proposal to critically examine Mao and his ideas and doctrines and rather
than arguing about "isms," I'm more interested in whether Mao's theories on
New Democracy and the two-stage revolution were valid for the time they were
written and if they did, whether they still hold any validity today.
Furthermore, especially since China's rapproachment with the United States
began (as far as I know and can recall) with an invitation of a US table
tennis (ping pong) team to visit China, sometime in early 1971 ("Ping-Pong
Diplomacy"), culminating in Nixon's visit to China in 1972, after which
China began to slowly soften its stand towards the United States and the
West, while becoming more hostile to the Soviet Union and its socialist
allies.
Mao was alive at the time (he died in the summer of 1976), did he play any
part in these developments, apart from shaking Nixon's hand? Also what was
Chinese premier Chou En Lai's role in all this, since he was the main
negotiator with Nixon?
Between 1972 and 1976, the Communist Party of China took the stand that the
Soviet Union was state capitalist and social imperialist and that while it
was feigning an attack on the East, it would actually actually attack the
west and China based upon its three-world theory, China called upon the
Western European nations to support NATO and the European Economic
Community) as a bulwark against "Soviet Social Imperialism."
I was supporter of the then Communist Party of England (Marxist-Leninist)
(Now the Revolutionary Communist Party of Britain M-L) which at that time
was pro-China and I repeatedly echoed China's position in its speeches and
publications and like most Maoists, I treated all this as Gospel.
However, I subsequently began to feel that China's position was rather
opportunistic, since it seemed to be provoking the Soviet Union and the West
to go to war -- possibly a nuclear war -- and destroy each other, which
would leave China relatively untouched as the sole big power on earth, since
I believed that two heavily nuclear armed blocs engaged in nuclear war with
each other would not waste their nuclear bombs and missiles on other
countries which did not immediately threaten them.
Here China appeared to completely discount the revolutionary potential of
the West's working class, nor did it seem to care how many of them would be
killed in the war if it ever took place.
Furthermore, its opposition to Soviet social imperialism led it to oppose
the Soviet and Cuban backed MPLA in Angola, China supported Jonas Savimbi's
Unita which was backed by South Africa and also to oppose Vietnames
intervention in Cambodia in support of Hun Sen's faction against the Khmer
Rouge who were completely destroying Cambodia and not allowing it to start
constructing socialism.
When the Party of Labour of Albania published Enver Hoxha's report on the
Seventh Congress of the PLA which critisesed China Three-World Theory and
its policies above, I felt vindicated and became a supporter of Hoxha and
Albania. The CPE (M-L) and Reg Birch's CPB (M-L) were among some of the
Marxist-Leninist parties in Britain which split with China to align with
Albania.
Another question is why, after criticising the triumph of revisionism in the
Soviet Union and later in China, Albania eventually went the same way after
the death of Enver Hoxha and the collapse of the Soviet Union? The collapse
of socialism in Albania was a very demoralising experience for me who
believed it was the last bastion of socialism -- a disappointment which led
me to turn to Trotskyism for answers for a few years.
Why is it that after shrilly condemning Soviet revisionism, especially after
Mao's death, China increasingly went down the same road?
Cde. Alan Dover has provided a cogent explanation for the collapse of
socialism in his work, Two Complementary Roads to Socialism which can be
found at http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dove/.
However, I'm also interested in other comrades' explanations of these
Re: [MLL]Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism!
Comrades,
Javad wrote:-
Comrade Moreira,
I would like to make some comments in relation to your e-mail.
(1) I have never made the following claim that you have ascribed to me
because I am not in that China discussion:"Javad maintains that based upon
the pro-capitalist (in fact comprador capitalist) policies of China's
leadership to seek foreign direct investment from the imperialist
countries
to set up factories and exploit its workers, China is
already a capitalist country -- a conclusion based on policies of its
leaders, rather than on material conditions".
MY APOLOGIES Javad comrade, it was Joseph Stalin who more or less said the
above in his discussions with Klo below. I paraphrased him over several
posts, though I mixed Joseph up with you, since your topic is also about
China
"I am new to this NG, but I must agree that China's
policies are capitalist and even fascist in nature. I
do not support that Cuba and its heroic people and
leader are called fascists. But Ping and all the other
revisionists ruling China today are absolutely, 100%
capitalist. They don't even make an attempt at even a
communist image. I think these are not slanders. The
evidence is in every store you go into. Pick up a
shirt or a toy or a pen, and see where it was made.
Does it say "Made in China"? Most propably. This shows
that the Chinese governemtn allows Foreing companies
to exploit Chinese people at will for profits in the
west. All the sky scrappers in Peking and Shangai are
all owned by western companies. All the factories and
sweatshops are owned by the capitalists. Deng returned
China to its 19th century status, of shperes of
influence. China is again today carved up into shperes
of influence. Its a shame and a discrace that China
today carries a red flag."
Javad continues:-
(2) In relation to the question of the trustworthiness of Wang Ming, I
must
say that the truth of his utterances, whether seemingly slanderous or not,
will be shown through the examination of Mao's ideas expressed in his
articles, and other written and oral documents on him.
I wanted to know where you read the account on Wang Ming's and Mao's
discussion and how trustworthy is that source or sources of your
information.
Let us remind
ourselves that Wang Ming was in the Comintern, and remained loyal to the
ideals of Marxism-Leninism, and could not make any kind of political
"deal"
with imperialism that Mao made (but Mao used to call Wang Ming the leader
of
"the Moscow group", reminiscent of our bourgeois dictators who called any
Marxist-Leninist group or party "Moscow agents"). Regardless of all the
above, Mao will show his true colors through his own ideas, for example,
though his On New Democarcy, and On Contradiction, and etc.
I welcome reading your criticism of Mao's works above. I've heard and read
of references to "the Moscow group" in discussions with student comrades and
Chinese publications and believed that they were supporters of Soviet
revisionism an this thread you have started will tell it from a different
perspective, whether or not I end up agreeing with you or not.
(3) In connection to some "revelations" by the imperialists to discredit
Mao, Mao discredited himself through his "theoretical" works, and his
infamous political "deal" with Nixon, and other political misadvadures
around the world. Thus, Mao did not leave any substanial "work" for the
imperialists in their propaganda department! Some occasional "revelations"
are seemingly directed to Mao in order to discredit communism and the
Communist Party of China because some socialist-oriented workers in some
countries, for various reasons, associate Mao's name with communism.
That answers one question I posed, which is whether Mao had anything to do
with China's deal with Nixon and the United States.
(4)Concerning your question ("Why is it that after shrilly condemning
Soviet
revisionism, especially after Mao's death, China increasingly went down th
e
same road?"), I would like to draw our attention to a misconception that
"shrilly condemning Soviet revisionism" is not necessarily tantamount to
having an "anti-revisionist" political standpoint.
No it doesn't but alongside those shrill condemnations, the Communist party
of China constantly called for its members to be "ever vigilant against
bourgeois agents within the Communist Party" to prevent such a thing
happening in China, so I accepted that they were sincerely making some
effort to prevent revisionism happening but it happened despite all those
efforts, so why did it happen?
Why did it subsequently also happen in Albania, after the death of Enver
Hoxha and the collapse of the Soviet Union?
Fraternally
Charles
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Re: [MLL]Foreign Ministry Spokesman on Tiananmen Papers
Comrades, Spetznaz wrote:- Spetsnaz: I also agree with Alan and Klo. I support both the Chinese government's actions at Tiananmen Square and Yanayev's 1990 coup against Gorbachev. Me too. While the poor farmers may have begun protesting, inspired by the students' protest movement, the protests were led by the students who were clearly demanding Western-style bourgeois democracy reforms and who were backed by Western and pro-Western imperialist and capitalist forces outside China. While in Canada in 1992, I met a young woman who had been a protester in Tianannmen and I thought she was a Canadian-Chinese, since she seemed so Westernised and her views with regards welfare recipients was just like that of any right-winger -- ie. "get trained and get a job" when Canada and the United States were in the depths of an economic recession and there simply were no jobs. Furthermore, some of the student protesters who fled to the west have since got good jobs and we don't hear much of them now. The imperialists are willing to do anything to undermine socialism, ranging from "contra" style guerrilla movements to springing up opposition movements disguised as a geniune workers movement. The perfect example is Solidarity. In the 80's they said wanted power to the workers, yet when they were voted into power all they ever did was build churches. Now the Polish people have elected a former Communist party member as president. Indeed, so true. Even in Romania, in 1989 you saw how the Romanian people were chearing over the downfall of Nicolae Ceausescu. However now, their country is total shit and they want a return to socialism. And I recall seeing photos in the bourgeois media of Ceausescu's face after he was shot dead and even my late father who was virulently anti-communist felt the media had gone too far in its insensitivity to a dead person. I wonder how long it will take before the Serbian people admit they made a terrible mistake by deposing Milsovich. And I remember CNN covering protests by opposition parties in Serbia when they were still small but CNN made them look as if they were about to outs Milosovich. I could see that the many opposition were supporters appeared to be petty bourgeois and bohemian types. I don't expect it will be too long before the Serbian people realise their mistake. Problem though is that it will be much more difficult to revert back to the situation under Milosovich. Like I said, the imperialists will stop at nothing to destory workers states, and we have to be willinging to use force against these elements. They will stop at nothing to destroy any state which stands in their way and that includes Iraq, Lybia, Cuba, North Korea and other countries or leaders who impede the Western imperialist's aims of dominating the whole world. They will use all sorts of tactics, whether military, the media, economic, cultural or whatever to undermine nations. Sadly, its very easy for American capitalism to "bribe" young people in socialist nations with all the luxuries of the West. I'm a teenager myself, and I see first hand how stupid my peers are. "how can you like communism? We have MTV!" "its so cold in Russia, your privates fall off" "but theres no cute guys like N'Sync in Russia" These are actual arguments people at my school tell me all the time. Gees, I could give a much better defense of capitalism. Anyways, during my trips to Russia, I've seen how Russian teenagers are being "americanized". Like young Americans, they're more concerned with MTV than all the poverty in their country. HA! I see too much of that here in Malaysia, especially among young, middle class types and even working class youths who get caught up with Western consumer culture and its associated fashions -- a modern opium of the masses and a strong opium too. I must commend you for seeing through this deception while in your teens. When I was a teen, I was caught up in it all and was very pro-American back then. One problem though is that while young communists like Spetznaz, who are exposed to this type of culture in the West can see through it, youths in the former Soviet Union who were generally isolated from it, fall for this culture more easily, like the natives of North America who died when contracted the diseases suffered by the white settlers, since they had no immunity to them. While I don't advocate deliberately exposing youth in socialist society to this type of culture so that they develop an immunity to it (since most youths in the west fall for it anyway), youth in socialist society should be informed about this type of culture and clearly shown its true commercial and exploitative nature so that they won't be deceived by its pretenses to "freedom." Sadly, it seems only when the true horrors of capitalism becomes clear that these people realize they were wrong, and very often its too late by then. Well it will require such a shock to bring
Re: [MLL]new member from Indonesia
Javad comrade, The problem looks like it may be with Workers' World's host server. Perhaps comrade Sven could help,since he knows the people there. Charles - Original Message - From: "Javad Eskandarpour" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 6:03 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]new member from Indonesia Comrade Moreira, I sent my e-mail with the same text under two titles:(1) Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism!, and (2) Nazim Hikemt. As you know, Nazim Hikmet was not a "suspicious header", but suddenly became one! Javad The message on the first e-mail: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:05 AM Subject: Your message to Marxist-Leninist-List awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Marxist-Leninist-List' with the subject Re: [MLL]Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism! Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious header Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. This message on the second e-mail: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 2:13 PM Subject: Your message to Marxist-Leninist-List awaits moderator approval Your mail to 'Marxist-Leninist-List' with the subject Re: [MLL]Nazim Hikmet! Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message has a suspicious header Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. - Original Message ----- From: Charles F. Moreira [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]new member from Indonesia Javad comrade, Where did you send it and what exactly was the error message you received? Charles - Original Message - From: "Javad Eskandarpour" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]new member from Indonesia - Original Message - From: Javad Eskandarpour To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]Nazim Hikmet! Comrades, I have sent two e-mails under the title Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism!, which do not get through because the title is supposedly a "suspicious header"! I could not find anything "suspicious" about it. Do you find anything "suspicious"? Javad - Original Message - From: Javad Eskandarpour To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [MLL]Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism! Comrades, This topic, Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism, might be an anathema to Maoists, but at the same time it might be a step to liberate ourselves from some myths presented as truths, even as self -evident truths which need no inquiry. Thus, I would like to present some Maoist "truths" with my remarks on them. Maoists are indeed welcome to present their views in order to keep the "glorious" flag of Maoism aloft in the course of rational discussions, instead of their habitual empty reference to the so-called tradition of "from Marx-to-Mao"! Maoist-Myth(1): Mao's On New Democracy is a Marxist-Leninist theoretical work. My remarks: Mao's On New Democracy is not a Marxist-Leninist theoretical work at all, but it is indeed a Maoist "theoretical" work. In order to substantiate my claim, I must indeed show the relevent ideas in Mao's work, which are not Marxist-Leninist ideas. Before proceeding with this task, I would like to mention that I will use any historically solid available (to me or other members) documents regardless of their pro- or anti-Maoist orientation. In the next e-mail I will begin with some historical remarks on Mao's work, and proceed with Mao's political ideas. Javad ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change y
Re: [MLL]Hader problem
Javad comrade, A few questions. Please check your computer to see if there is any virus on it. Secondly, try and use a header "Maoism versus Marxism-Leninism" and see if it makes a difference. I have a gut feeling that the "vs." in the header might appear as a virus to whether virus checker Workers World may have in place. Charles - Original Message - From: Javad Eskandarpour To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 7:23 AM Subject: Re: [MLL]Nazim Hikmet! Comrades, I have sent two e-mails under the title Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism, which do not get through because the tiltle is supposedly a "suspicious header"! I could not find anything "suspicious" about it. Do you find anything "suspicious"? Javad - Original Message - From: Javad Eskandarpour To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [MLL]Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism! Comrades, This topic, Maoism vs. Marxism-Leninism, might be an anathema to Maoists, but at the same time it might be a step to liberate ourselves from some myths presented as truths, even as self -evident truths which needno inquiry. Thus, I would like to present some Maoist "truths" withmy remarks on them. Maoists are indeed welcome to present their views in order to keep the "glorious" flag of Maoism aloft in the course of rational discussions, instead of their habitual empty reference to the so-called tradition of "from Marx-to-Mao"! Maoist-Myth(1): Mao's On New Democracy is a Marxist-Leninist theoretical work. My remarks: Mao's On New Democracy is not a Marxist-Leninist theoretical work at all, but it is indeed a Maoist "theoretical" work. In order to substantiate my claim, I must indeed show the relevent ideas in Mao's work, which are not Marxist-Leninist ideas. Before proceeding with this task, I would like to mention that I will use any historically solid available (to me or other members) documents regardless of theirpro- or anti-Maoist orientation.In the next e-mail I will begin with some historical remarks on Mao's work, andproceed with Mao's political ideas. Javad
Re: [MLL]new member from Indonesia
Saudara, You will also find some links to other resources on our Web site at http://www.marxist-leninist-list.org/ Relevance of Marxism by Klo (Dennis) McKinsey here http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~klomckin/ Marxist Declaration and Summary by Comrade Alan Dover over here http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~dove/ Aland Dover has written some thoughtful analyses "Two Complimentary Roads to Socialism" explaining the causes of the collapse of socialism in the Soviet Union and its deterioration and decline in China. Dover has also written several other analyses, inlcuding one about globalisation under imperialism ie- "World Free Trade -- A Feature of Communism. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Zullutfi Mohammad" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 9:52 AM Subject: [MLL]new member from Indonesia Dear Comrades, My name Zullutfi, I am from Indonesia. I am very interested with marxism idea and I want to deepth studies and spreading my knowledge on marxism. In Indonesia I has difficulty to find marxism reference, e.g. reference on marxism phylosophy, marxism economic, marxism classic and development thinking on marxism idea. I hope in this list, I could to building relationship, solidarity and exchange experience with all comrade in the the world. I am very glad to hear your contac. In solidarity, Comradely, Zullutfi [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Visit http://www.visto.com/info, your free web-based communications center. Visto.com. Life on the Dot. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]No attachments - please!!
Comrades, I got the attachment too and my anti-virus trapped it. I then deleted the file. Can't remember who sent it but it looked like a fake name. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Per Rasmussen" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "Marxist-Leninist-List" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 4:58 PM Subject: [MLL]No attachments - please!! No attachments - please!! PLEASE STOP IT! Norton Anti-virus has just fixed for me - an exe-file. --- Elimination of the exploitation of man by man! Yours in solidarity Per Rasmussen Denmark "One has to have a great dose of humanity, a great dose of the feeling of justice and of truth not to fall into extreme dogmatism, into a cold scholasticism, into isolation from the masses. Every day one has to struggle that this love to a living humanity transform itself into concrete acts, in acts that serve as examples, as motivation." Ernesto Che Guevara "The Marxist-Leninist doctrine on class struggle and the dictatorship of the proletariat affirms the role of violence in revolution, makes a distinction between unjust, counter-revolutionary violence and just, revolutionary violence, between the violence of the exploiting classes, and that of the masses." General Vo Nguyen Giap The Political and Military Line of Our Party, Selected Writings Let us continue the path of Marx, Engels, Lenin, Stalin and Mao! Long live Marxism-Leninism Mao Tsetung Thought! IMPERIALISM AND ALL REACTIONARIES ARE PAPER TIGERS! Familien Rasmussen http://home0.inet.tele.dk/pera/ Srens hjemmeside http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900387/ Cuba SI! http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900388/ http://members.tripod.com/Per_Rasmussen/ http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atlantis/1690 Subscribe Cuba SI mail-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ernesto Che Guevara http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900388/ernesto.htm Che Guevara Discussion List: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Viden er Magt! - Magten til folket! http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900373/ Grundstudier i Marxismen-Leninismen Mao Tsetung Tnkning [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe Power to the People mail-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Nazim Hikmet!
Comrades, While I agree with Klo that starving oneself to death has not been employed by the Bolsheviks in the past and has not been prescribed or advocated by any subsequent Marxist-Leninist leader such as Mao Tse Tung or Enver Hoxha, nor by Nazim Hikmet, I feel this list should find ways of supporting the Turkish revolutionaries' struggle such as by expressing our opposition to the brutal methods employed by the fascist Turkish state against them -- ie. isolation cells, deprivation, torture and so on, if we don't agree with their tactic of a death fast. Another thing is that we must remember that Marxism-Leninism is a living science and there are different methods which work in different countries and under specific local circumstances and as Steve Kaczynski pointed out in a post of Jan 15, death fasts have won certain demands in the prisoners' favour in Turkey before:- "In the past, prisoners have forced the authorities to back down by going on hunger strike. This happened in 1984 and 1996. On both occasions prisoners died but the protests were successful. In 1984 the introduction of prison uniforms was prevented - in 1996 the Eskisehir cell-type prison was closed down. As a protest method hunger-striking by prisoners has been relatively successful in Turkey. Whether it will continue to be, and continue to be used, remains to be seen." Even the imperialists, bourgeosie and petty bourgeoise recognise that despite all their hype about the borderless nature of the Internet, which supposedly makes geographic location "irrelevant" to the operation and success of an Internet-based business, they have now begun to realise that for an Internet business to succeed in different countries, language areas and cultures, they must take local circumstances into account and not simply apply an approach which has been successful in North America to another part of the world. Thus I feel that while we may not agree with the method of the Turkish revolutionaries, we should find ways of critically supporting their struggle without compromising on our principles. After all, while we do not agree with all the tactics of the Provisional IRA such as bombing pubs, other public places and their death fasts, we still support the objective of their struggle which is to win total independence for the Irish Republic from British imperialist rule. Likewise, we should find agreeable areas where we can lend whatever limited support we can as an Internet discussion group, to the Turkish revolutionaries -- whether it be petitions, protest notes or whatever. The Turkish revolutionaries are among a handful of Marxist-Leninist organisations around the world right now who are involved in some form of violent revolutionary struggle. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "KloMcKinsey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2001 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [MLL]Nazim Hikmet! Javad Eskandarpour wrote: Comrade George, As I replied to your posting recently, we support the struggle of Turkish political prisoners against the fascist state of Turkey, so you do not have to repeat that this is "one of solidarity with revolutionaries under attack" as if we did not support them. But it seems to me that whenever Kaczinski comes with his irrationalities, you would like to invite the members of this list to keep quiet because if we respond to Kaczinski's irrationalities, then this will be a breach of our international solidarity with the political prisoners in Turkey. And moreover, if we respond to Kaczinski's irrationalities, then we might be "the most chauvinist and revisionist elements" in the international working-class movement". What kind of logic is this? As it is well-known and self-evident, revolutionaries, especially Marxist-Leninist ones need theoretically and practically correct tactics in order to struggle against their enemies during the struggle itself with its own development which require possible change of tactics. If this is the case, then, contrary to your views, the international duty of Marxist-Leninists must be to point out the weaknesses in our ranks now (and not later) instead of endorsing the incorrect tactics which might be of a great harm to the present and future struggle of workers around the world. Our international working-class solidarity with revolutionaries around the world comes with our theoretical and practical involvement instead of our harmful good intentions of a "blind" internationalism which might get sighted miraculously later (when the dust of struggle settles down) under the pretext that "most of us here are not in fascist Turkey, and none of us on this list are languishing in Turkish prisons"! Javad - Original Message - From: George G [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]Nazim Hikmet! Dear comrades
Re: [MLL]Draft message of solitdarity
Comrades, I've been away on vacation. If I haven't submitted my name already, please include my name -- Charles F. Moreira Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Sanjay Singhvi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [MLL]Draft message of solitdarity Sven Comrade, Hope I am not too late. My phone line had been cut for a day due to a billing mistake. Please include my name also. Sanjay Singhvi -Original Message- From: Sven Buttler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 21 December 2000 01:21 Subject: [MLL]Draft message of solitdarity Dear comrades and friends, This is a draft text of protest letter in support of the political prisioners in Turkey. Because of the urgency of the matter we need to act very fast. If you like to be included in the list of signatures let me know on or off-list as soon as possible. If you would like to send your own protest messages you can use these FAX numbers: Staatsprsident Sezer, Trkei: Fax: 0090 312 427 13 30 Ministerprsident Blent Ecevit: Fax: 0090 312 417 04 76 Justizminister Hikmet Trk: Fax: 0090 312 418 5667, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Innenminister Sadettin Tantan: Fax: 0090 312 418 1795 Generaldirektor der Haftanstalten Ali Suat Ertosun: Fax: 0090 312 414 63 01, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For communision Sven Buttler Marxist-Leninist List -- Protest letter We are very concerned about the recent massacres carried out by police forces in prisons all over Turkey. The prisioners that have been under attack for several days now embarked upon a hungerstrike in order to protest the inhuman conditions in Turkish prisions. The Turkish authorities want to silence the prisioners and indeed the whole Turkish people to uphold the cheap pretence of being a democratic state. We condemn the recent undemocratic and coward actions against the prisoners and demand an immediate moratorium of attacks. Stop the fascist attacks! For a democratic and free Turkey! Signitures: -- Sven Buttler, Germany -- PS: I'm cc'ing this to the Admin-list. I encourage all other moderators to post this to their lists and ask for signatures in support of this message. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]Draft message of solitdarity
Sven comrade, Please include me: Charles F. Moreira Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Sven Buttler" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2000 3:49 AM Subject: [MLL]Draft message of solitdarity Dear comrades and friends, This is a draft text of protest letter in support of the political prisioners in Turkey. Because of the urgency of the matter we need to act very fast. If you like to be included in the list of signatures let me know on or off-list as soon as possible. If you would like to send your own protest messages you can use these FAX numbers: Staatspräsident Sezer, Türkei: Fax: 0090 312 427 13 30 Ministerpräsident Bülent Ecevit: Fax: 0090 312 417 04 76 Justizminister Hikmet Türk: Fax: 0090 312 418 5667, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Innenminister Sadettin Tantan: Fax: 0090 312 418 1795 Generaldirektor der Haftanstalten Ali Suat Ertosun: Fax: 0090 312 414 63 01, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For communision Sven Buttler Marxist-Leninist List -- Protest letter We are very concerned about the recent massacres carried out by police forces in prisons all over Turkey. The prisioners that have been under attack for several days now embarked upon a hungerstrike in order to protest the inhuman conditions in Turkish prisions. The Turkish authorities want to silence the prisioners and indeed the whole Turkish people to uphold the cheap pretence of being a democratic state. We condemn the recent undemocratic and coward actions against the prisoners and demand an immediate moratorium of attacks. Stop the fascist attacks! For a democratic and free Turkey! Signitures: -- Sven Buttler, Germany -- PS: I'm cc'ing this to the Admin-list. I encourage all other moderators to post this to their lists and ask for signatures in support of this message. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]DHKC London Information Bureau - Open Letter to the European Left
Comrades, While the DHKC has valid reasons to criticise the European Left for lack of support for its struggle, with the exception of the post on Nuri Eryuksel, as far as I can see, none provide addresses, fax, phone numbesr or e-mail addresses for members on this list to send messages of protest and/or support to and perhaps financial contributions. It would help if those details are made available. Charles (Forwarding, but I agree with the contents of this open letter. S.K.) OPEN LETTER TO THE EUROPEAN LEFT TODAY IS THE 60TH DAY OF THE DEATH FAST RESISTANCE In Turkey the revolutionary captives are prepared to die in their fight against the introduction of isolation cells, but still the European Left does nothing. Since 20th October we have been asking the European Left for messages of support. With very few exceptions we have received no response. We have followed what goes on in your irrelevant and generally absurd "left" discussion lists, hoping that some mention of the heroic resistance of over two hundred men and women on hunger strike might get a mention. Why do you remain silent? Are you waiting for people to die before you act? Or is your attitude the same as imperialism and fascism: "They are only terrorists, let them die"? When we organise marches the European Left stays away. When we organise meetings you do not attend them. When people occupy buildings, you are nowhere to be seen. Why? Is this your understanding of international solidarity? Imperialism is happy with your attitude towards us. We are asking you once again whether it is not too late to act. Support the Death Fast Resistance of the revolutionary captives in Turkey and give support to their families. DHKC London Information Bureau _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]ASEAN Peoples' Assembly: The Enemy Within
rs' internal affairs is a principle rooted in the ideas of sovereignty and self-determination - the holiest of grails to the struggling new nations that in 1967 formed Asean. All were then racked by the pains of independence's adolescence, and it was clear at the time that Asean's Founding Five could either hang together, or hang separately. Yet, each national experiment was so fragile that the pledge of mutual 'non-interference' was the sine qua non of their agreement. For it to have been otherwise, in 1967, would have been tantamount to acknowledging defeat as nations. Such positions, however, only underscored the terse statement of Miriam Coronel-Ferrer of the Philippines' Third World Study Centre on what the hands-off policy had become: "A dogma worshipped by Asean political elites." There is a clear focus of this conflict. Although Asean peoples have much cause to laud the farsightedness and statesmanship of the region's leaders of a generation ago, they now want to know. what about Burma? Admitted into Asean in 1997, seven years after the Myanmar 'State Law Order Restoration Council' ignored free elections that gave 82% of the elected seats to Aung San Suu Kyi's National League for Democracy, that nation's membership of Asean is the prickliest bone in the region's craw. "I fully support the policy of non-interference," declared Debbie Stothard, coordinator of the Alternative Asean Network on Burma, "when there is interference that provides legitimacy to the regime." So unbridgeable was this gulf that the Assembly found itself adopting a lexical distinction: the state in question was called 'Burma' when referring to its suppressed electorate, and 'Myanmar' in reference to its ruling military regime. It became necessary for the Assembly to acknowledge this sorest of Asean's sore points and set it aside, in search of more hope in the bigger picture. "With all our diversities between countries and within countries," mused Hadi Soesastro of Jakarta's Centre for Strategic International Studies, "we have to move towards open economies and open societies. It's not easy, but we have to. Perhaps people-to-people dialogues can create a forum to prevent abuses." There was support for the idea of an Asean Court of Justice, and for the proposal to hold future APAs before Asean official summits, the better to influence the policymakers' agendas. Ali Alatas struck a pensive note in his concluding remarks to the Assembly. "Is Asean an association in search of people," he pondered, "or people in search of an association? NGOs have been active, but it's still the political elites who have been communicating with each other, not the common people. It cannot be said that we have reached our goal of a peoples' Asean." Recalling the words of his predecessor Tun Adam Malik 20 years earlier - "the shaping of the region is far too important to leave to governments" - Alatas recommended "down-to-earth, mundane projects to encourage the participation of the common people." He suggested annual 'Asean Festivals' of music, art culture, rotating among the 10 national capitals. (With the possible exception of Burma's or Myanmar's, depending, perhaps, on whether it would be held in Yangon or Rangoon.) If the First Asean Peoples' Assembly was determined to end on an upbeat note, it did. The fact of its having been successfully convened at all was, for the moment, enough encouragement for the 'people-to-people' connections now seen as a critical element of Asean's interrelationships. It was Indonesian analyst Rizal Sukma, however, who provided the event with its most plangent perspective, simply by quietly reminding the Assembly that Asean's founding wish, 33 years ago, had been for "a peaceful and stable Southeast Asia, at peace with itself, with the causes of conflict eliminated." Nothing else said at the Assembly more clearly crystallised how far we still had to go. © 2000 AgendaMalaysia == Folks, Based on the fact or regionalisation as I have described earlier, there are western imperialist interests out to thwart the formation of a strong Asean and the East Asia Economic Caucus as a regional grouping in Asia by using their fifth columnists and running dogs in Asia. These fifth columnists and running dogs serve the geopolitical interests of their imperialist masters and you will find them in Internet-based publications, NGOs, the Reformasi movement in Malaysia and you'll even even find them worming their way into labour unions and real peoples' organisations. BEWARE of NGOs calling for "human rights," "press freedom" and so on. They are the enemy within and their "human rights" is the "human" right for imperialists to penetrate and dominate the economies of the developing countries. Charles F. Moreira ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL]What is postmodernism
Comrade, Thanks. I searched using Google and found quite a good description of it in www.britanicca.com but it's not that easy to explain in simple words but seems a reactionary concept. What's difficult about finding a good explanation of it is that it's used so much in sociological papers and in art -- "postmodern art, design, etc." which expresses a rejection of modernisation and a harking back to less developed times. Wasn't the hippie movement and result of, or an expression of this "postmodern" thinking? Charles - Original Message - From: "Declan Carolan" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [MLL]What is postmodernism -- Comrade Charles, I have come across this term while studing for 'community studies', it is intellectualised slang and I think it is bound up with the right wing thinking of the 80's. I believe it is connected with the idea that alternatives to capitalism dont have any relevance in a globalised world. Theorists of community use it alot 'the global post-modern phenomena' etc, - I think they cant see past present capitalist structures etc. Your definition is right, I think that it is a shallow concept. yours Declan On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 03:35:26 Charles F. Moreira wrote: Comrades, I'm reading a book, Spectres of Capitalism by Samir Amin which criticises neo-liberalism and Libertarianism and one chapter refers to "postmodernism," which gives me a rough idea that it has something to do with a period in capitalist development when people don't feel a common objective and tend to be self-serving. A search with a serch engine does not yield much which explains what it is. Perhaps comrades could advise me where to find a good description of it. Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list Get FREE Email/Voicemail with 15MB at Lycos Communications at http://comm.lycos.com ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]What is postmodernism
Comrades, I'm reading a book, Spectres of Capitalism by Samir Amin which criticises neo-liberalism and Libertarianism and one chapter refers to "postmodernism," which gives me a rough idea that it has something to do with a period in capitalist development when people don't feel a common objective and tend to be self-serving. A search with a serch engine does not yield much which explains what it is. Perhaps comrades could advise me where to find a good description of it. Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Fw: KLEBANG ESTATE- VICTORY OF THE MILLENNIUM
- Original Message - From: "Parti Sosialis Malaysia PSM" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 2:20 PM Subject: KLEBANG ESTATE- VICTORY OF THE MILLENNIUM Klebang Estate- victory of the new millennium 26th. November 2000, Ldg. Klebang, Perak. The blazing sun kept shinning on the 26th. November 2000. A thousand workers mostly from Perak and the rest from Selangor, Kedah and Ng. Sembilan witnessed this historical celebration. The place was decorated with small posters and flags, almost half a kilometer from the mainroad. The red clenched fist at the stage was very evident about the spirit of the day. The beat of drums continued to beat on.And then they came, one by one. Seventeen of them. Mostly women ranging between 50 years till 71. They were introduced one by one. Each name was accompanied by thunderous claps and at times slogan. As one of them spoke later, she said, they never knew how long the struggle would take but nevertheless they were determined to fight on. Do or die, were her exact words. Today these 17 workers stand proudly on centre stage. But things were different eleven years ago. Then, in 1989 their employer stating that the people must give way for development project gave them eviction notice. Their estate was created in 1905 and there was this one person, the grand old lady Genggamma, 96 years old who is still living to witness this grand victory. The LandOwners then disconnected water and electricity supply. Then this was the whole story of suffering and darkness. In 1994, five years later, the workers hit the streets. They started to organise with the help from Alaigal. They formed a committee and on the 11th. September the same year, they held a demonstration at the roadside. The police arrested all of them. They were later released. The news of the workers demonstration brought laughter and insult from a number of people. The local MIC members laughed all the way. The union said the workers are no more their concern and should have left. And then the Great Leader, Dato S.Samy Vellu, said that by doing demo is not going to bring them anywhere. He also cited a town in US where the people stayed under the bridge and questioned and ridiculed the people's demand for housing. But then, the workers had the last laugh. They become stronger day by day. After tremendous pressure, the state Government was forced to provide water supply to these workers. The Owners. AMZ Corporations then filed two legal suits on two temples and a sundry shop. The Owners thought these were meeting points of the people and need to be demolished first. The workers with the help of Alaigal then appointed Kula (former DAP Asst. Sec General). The Owners lost the case with cost at the lower courts as well as the appeal in High Court. The owners then became more restless. They tried to encroach the land through several points but were stopped at each point by the alert workers. Bulldozers were stopped. The Owners tried for five days but ended up the loser. At the end of July this year, The Owners after failing all other attempt called for a dialogue. Finally on the 1st. of November 2000, the deal was settled. The workers will each receive a free land title each measuring 50 x 90-meter. The company will install all infrastructures to the land as water, electricity and telephone lines. Their long due termination benefits will be given to them with a value three times the original amount. They will get another one-acre land for their temple and RM 50,000 for the temple construction. Dr. Nasir Hashim, chairperson of PSM while addressing the crowd during the celebration event said, " the workers of Klebang have proved that the formula of struggle will eventually win, this is the great message for all workers and warning for all capitalist in this new millennium. Sdr. Segar, a grassroot activist from Alaigal as well as PSM central Committee member also gave a fiery speech. He said those who called us mad are now silenced. The victory of Klebang is the effort of the people and people alone. It has got nothing to do with other forces as said by some people. Even the temples and gods were saved by the people. All credit to the workers and their believe in this struggle. The victory of Klebang workers is a victory of the working class, not only in Malaysia but the world. Nasir in his message quoted the famous phrase, The workers of the world have nothing to lose except their chains, but they have a world to win. Socialist party website : http://partisosialis.tripod.com _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to:
[MLL]RE: Napster issue
Comrades, Going through past posts, I found a question by Sven Buttler regarding our views on Napster which I did not respond to at the time. However, I have been thinking about the correct position to take for some months now. Below is part of a post I sent privately to Pakito who had just unsubscribed. == Despite illusions held by some that Napster was doing what they did out of some Robin Hood-style altruism of robbing the rich to give to the poor, it's now abundantly clear that Napster was in it for the money all along, since while they did not earn money directly from the swapping of songs or from downloads of their software which facilitates it, Napster had thier sights set on making money indirectly through advertising and quite possibly through an IPO later on. My position on the Napster controversy is that on the one hand, the arguments focus on the consumers versus the recoding companies which charge too much for their products and which exploit the musicians, which is true. On the other hand is the issue of bourgeois property rights of the recording companies, which most of the consumers are rightly against. However, left out of these arguments in the populist bourgeois media, as well as some leftist media (such as League of Revolutionaries for a New America) are the musicians, who lose out on royalties on their music sold, however much a pittance it is compared to the surplus value which the recoding companies extract from their talent and labour. I however feel that it's still premature to deny the musicians their due, since they are not living and working in a socialist society just yet. If Marxist-Leninists ignore the musicians and instead support the populist position that it's OK to grab their songs for free, then I can expect the Marxist-Leninists will lose out in attracting musicians to our cause. Workers World has a more correct perspective on the whole issue and recognises the current position of the musicians and calls for the Musicians Union to control the music industry and charge a reasonable fee for the music downloaded using these new information technologies. In short, Napster and others like them are a bloody bunch of parasites. Question is: Will the current consumers who are making so much noise about Napster's tie-up with BMG still continue to steal music and deny the musicians due income on the fruits of their talent and labour. What are your views on this issue? (I asked) To which Pakito replied:- === "Thanks for your message! Ous position on Napster is quite similar to the Workers World's one. Music must be unionized and control themselves the industry, along with other workers (technicians, etc). We have made a proposal which was took to the negotiating table of FARC and government." == Below is the Workers World position I referred to. Fraternally Charles == - Via Workers World News Service Reprinted from the Aug. 10, 2000 issue of Workers World newspaper - Musicians' union should control distribution NAPSTER THE RIGHT TO FREE MUSIC By Greg Butterfield Napster, an Internet-based software program that allows users to share digital music files, received a temporary reprieve from a two-judge appeals panel in San Francisco July 28. The appeals court said Napster could continue to operate. Two days earlier, on July 26, U.S. District Judge Marilyn Hall Patel had ordered the site shut down. Patel ruled in favor of the Recording Industry Association of America, which sued Napster last year. The owners of the recording industry are angry because millions of people use Napster to swap popular music for free instead of buying pre-recorded compact disks. Napster's network also makes available many out-of-print recordings and the works of musicians who don't have recording contracts. The RIAA charges Napster with aiding and abetting "wholesale copyright infringement." Napster's lawyers argue that the service's more than 20 million users are engaged in lawful trading for personal, noncommercial use, as defined in the 1992 Audio Home Recording Act. Basically, Napster users do what music fans have always done: they share copies of their favorite songs with friends. The difference is that music lovers now have a pool of millions of friends to trade with, instead of a handful. In its legal fight, Napster's owners try to portray themselves as underdogs fighting the recording monopolies to keep music free. It's true that Napster provides a free service right now. But its investors want to build it into a profitable business based on controlling the distribution of artists' work--just like the big recording companies do now. Napster CEO Hank Barry said he wants to come to an agreement with the RIAA. Barry hinted this might entail charging users a subscription fee or per-song fee for
[MLL]Globalisation: EAEC idea revived
EAEC idea revivedComrades, Further to discussions on globalisation and Cde. Dover's thesis Free Trade if a Feature of Communism, not Capitalism, here is a recent report which appeared in Malaysia's New Straits Times on revival of the proposed East Asian regional grouping East Asian Economic Caucus which further confirms this trend towards regionalisation. http://www.nstpi.com.my/z/Current_News/NST/Sunday/Frontpage/20001126074410/p p_index_html Fraternally Charles EAEC idea revived From Ashraf Abdullah in Singapore EAST Asian countries which had earlier dismissed as irrelevant the proposal for an East Asia Economic Caucus, have now realised that such a grouping will give them a stronger voice and make them less vulnerable to economic crises. Prime Minister Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad, who mooted in 1992 the idea for the EAEC comprising Asean countries as well as China, Japan and South Korea, said yesterday the idea was being revived by the East Asian countries because there was also a need to balance development in the region with other parts of the world. Asked why the East Asia countries which rejected his idea for a formal East Asian grouping, were now trying to revive it, Dr Mahathir said: "In the first place, we find that we are quite vulnerable. Even the big countries are vulnerable. The idea of an economic get-together, a caucus, group or community is to balance the developments in other parts of the world." Dr Mahathir said after the financial crisis, countries especially those which were affected began to realise that it was important to have a grouping. "It is necessary that East Asian countries go into huddle to discuss any new ideas, globalisation for example. Globalisation is touted to be very good for everybody including the developing countries. But is that so? Let's go through it, let's do some modelling to see what happens when we embrace globalisation. "This also applies to other fantastic ideas which will make us all very, very rich. But we have not seen ourselves getting rich, we have seen ourselves getting poorer," he said when speaking to reporters at the end of the Fourth Asean Informal Summit. Dr Mahathir said the West which had its own grouping such as the European Union and North American Free Trade Agreement had gained from the Asian financial crisis. Dr Mahathir said East Asia should also have a grouping similar to the EU and Nafta so that Asian countries could argue its causes more effectively. The leaders attending the summit agreed on Friday to set up a study group to look into the possibility of formalising an East Asian grouping comprising all 10 Asean nations as well as China, Japan and South Korea. Currently, Japan, South Korea and China are Asean's dialogue partners. Eight years ago, the last time Singapore hosted the Asean summit, the grouping endorsed the establishment of the EAEC. The Singapore summit in 1992 had endorsed the Malaysian proposal but changed the name from East Asian Economic Grouping to EAEC. Dr Mahathir's idea was for Asean to establish a loose, consultative forum to promote co-operation and protect members interest. The EAEC was to group Asean and China, South Korea and Japan, which are the three countries in the Asean+3. The United States had opposed to the establishment of the EAEC from the start, claiming that the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation was sufficient. Japan and Singapore, being allies of the US, also objected to the setting up of the EAEC. The Asean+3, which was formalised in 1996 in Bangkok, is in effect the Asian group in the Asia-Europe Meeting (Asem) process, which last held a leaders' meeting in Seoul last month. Dr Mahathir said although a free trade area and concessions for investments within the grouping would be among the areas included in the study, it would not happen in the near future. "We think the idea of closer co-operation between Asean and the three North Eastern countries is very good ... not only in the economic field, but also politically and culturally. "We think there is a possibility of free trade and investments in the zone, but that is not going to happen anytime soon. We need to identify the problems and concerns of the participants to make sure that such an arrangement will not be bad for some of the less developed Asean countries." On his bilateral meeting with his Japanese counterpart Yoshiro Mori, Dr Mahathir said Malaysia had expressed the hope that Japan would participate in a study of the international financial architecture, particularly to identify the root causes of the 1997 financial crisis. "Japan pointed out that the Group of Seven has carried out a study and has made some recommendations. We are of the view that those recommendations are inadequate and do not serve our purpose." Mail webheads for site related feedback and questions. Write to the editors or get sales for other kind of help. Copyright © The New Straits Times Press (Malaysia) Berhad,
[MLL]Fw: PSM CASE - GOVT. OFFERS SETTLEMENT !
Comrades, The Parti Sosialis Malalaysia has taken the government to court over its foot dragging over registering the party as an legal political entity. Here is its report on the latest devlopment. The party has been doing good activist and militant work related to the workers and poorer sections of Malaysian society which is a plus point for it. Its down point is that while it claims to not be Trotskyist, it is anti Stalin which is someting I've been telling them is a mistake on their part and which is a result of them being influenced by bourgeois propaganda against Stalin. Well, sad to say, so far, it's not changed their minds on Stalin, which is why I refuse to join them, while maintaining communication with them. Fraternally Charles - Original Message - From: "Parti Sosialis Malaysia PSM" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 11:31 PM Subject: PSM CASE - GOVT. OFFERS SETTLEMENT ! PSM VS HOME MINISTRY AG OFFICE OFFERS SETTLEMENT! 22 November 2000, Kuala Lumpur Special Appeals Court, Denmark House A fiery court battle to determine the status and registration of Parti Sosialis Malaysia(PSM) fizzled out when the Attorney General Chambers offered a settlement. The turnabout came when Datuk Azhar bin Muhammad- Head of Civil Division defending the Home Minister seeked an out of court settlement. PSM lawyers after consulting with party leadership agreed for a short postponement to facilitate the out of court settlement. PSM was represented by lead counsel Sdr. Tommy Thomas and is assisted by Sdr. Ragu Kesavan (Chairperson of Bar Council Legal Aid Centre) and Sdr. Teng Chang Khim (National Youth Chief of DAP and State Assemblyman for Bandar Klang). All three lawyers are doing a free service for PSM based on their believe in the notion of freedom of association. Today the courts were jammed with PSM Supporters who came from Perak, Selangor and Negeri Sembilan. Members wore badges and carried party flags. The policemen on duty kept reminding the supporters that there is a new directive, which does not allow people to wear badges. The directive did not materialize, as there was no open hearing. The lawyers discussed with Justice KC Vohrah and postponed the case to 13th. Of December 2000. Outside the courtroom, Dr. Nasir Hashim (Protem Chairperson) explained the new development to party supporters. He said, " If they want to fight, we are ready for a fight and if they want to negotiate, we will negotiate ". PSM has no problems in seeking an out of court settlement and is open to negotiation. The Party knows very well that the settlement came about because the Party is strong and we have a credible case to fight. Therefore PSM sees this new development in a positive light. Dr. Nasir also said that though we are a small party, we have a big heart. PSM created history in October 26 1999 when the party took the Home Minister to court. This is the first case in history where the Government is challenged and put in the defense on the issue of freedom of association. PSM feels strongly that its constitutional right to form a political party has been deprived. If nothing works out, then the case will go on on the 13th. of December 2000. PSM is a party born from years of grassroot struggles. in the factories, plantations and the urban settlement. The Party was formed not as an election party but a machinery for the poorer classes in society to fight for their rights. The party though unregistered continues to threaten the capitalist and the exploiters. The party gives room for people who want to do away from racial and religious extremism. Socialist will continue to exist in Malaysia and other parts of the world and will fight for a fairer world and fairer system where the wealth and income is well distributed. As long as there are sufferings and inequality, the struggle has to go on. Registered or not. View PSM updated website: http://partisosialis.tripod.com _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]Socialism.org????
Comrades, There's a rather interesting relationship between this Socialism.org http://www.socialism.org/ Socialsim.org is the Web site of the Socialism Organisation of Hong Kong which is fully funded and sponsored by Wyith Ltd. On this page, Socialism.Org promotes "socialism" with Chinese characteristics versus "traditional" socialism. Anyone know who this Wyith Ltd is? Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL]thestar.com.my So... shy, shy this American tie
Title: thestar.com.my: So... shy, shy this American tie Comrades, This piece of satire about the US election appeared in Malaysia's Sunday Star Fraternally Charles http://www.thestar.com.my/services/printerfriendly.asp?file=/2000/11/12/focus/12jzsund.aspsec=focus thestar.com.my Focus Sunday, November 12, 2000Sunday Star says... So... shy, shy this American tie(sung to the tune of American Pie by Don Mclean) A long, long time ago... I can still remember how those Yankees used to make me smile,And I knew if they had their goat,They'd try to teach us how to vote,And maybe they'd be happy for a while. But November saw me quiver,With every network news delivered,Chaos in the republic,The blunders were in public. I can't remember if I laughed,When I read about his ambushed pride,But something gored me deep inside,The day the voting died. So... Why, why this American tie,Drove the voters to a frenzy but the ballots were sly.Both Bush and Gore are running risky and dry,Singing "This'll be the day that I cry,This'll be the day that I cry.'' Did you write the book of jokes,And will you have faith in the winning bloke,If the Houses tell you so?Now do you believe in the voter rolls?Can the system save your mortal soul?And can you teach me how to count real slow? Well I know you're in a sticky mess,'Cause I saw you looking real harassed,You both ran out of cues,Man, I dig those rhythm 'n' blues, They were rich and fiesty mid-aged bucks,Nearly two years later and still in the ruck,But I knew they were out of luck,The day the voting died.We started singing... (Chorus) Now for some days we've been on our own,Left with a case of the great unknown,But that's not how it used to be,When Clinton spoke in front of kings and queens,In a coat he borrowed from Mr Bean,And a voice that came from Hillary, Oh, and while the crowd was looking down,Buchanan stole Florida's crown,The voting was adjourned,No verdict was returned. And while recounts were still going slow,The whole world stayed up for the show,And waited for the news to flow,The day the voting died.We were singing... (Chorus) Dedicated to the voters of Florida © 1995-2000 Star Publications (Malaysia) Bhd (Co No 10894-D)
Re: [MLL]On item posted by Pakito
Comrades, Steve Kaczynski wrote: This (Leftist intellectuals and Bourgeois respectability is a very good item. How can the left effectively fight the bourgeoisie when so many leftists have the bourgeoisie embedded deeply within their own brains. There are many examples of this, not least here in Britain. Steve Kaczynski Well comrade, all I can say is that it's not easy, it can be very frustrating to the extent that one feels inclined to want to just forget the whole thing in despair and give up but at the end of the day, it just has to be done. In Britain, they are at least nominally leftist. As a journalist, I find liberal and libertarians who actually believe this "inevitably" of globalisation nonsense among people who are critise the prime minister's currency controls as a measure against attacks by fund managers like George Soros on the grounds that it defies the current neo-liberal economic "rules" of this "inevitable," "new," "globalised," "borderless," economy which only serves the interests of the imperialists' dreams for a New (Imperialist) World Order. Mahathir is no socialist by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, he's anti-Communist but in as far as his recent stand against some aspects of this imperialist globalisation drive are concerned, it's a progressive stand for an oppressed nation to make and it's been supported by leftist and Communist parties around the world, such as the Communist Party of Canada (Marxist-Leninist), Fidel Castro and several other which I can't name off-hand. In fact, many supporters of Anwar Ibrahim whom Mahathir sacked support the neo-liberal worldview of globalisation and a borderless world and recently one of its leaders admitted to having engaged a US-based consultancy to lobby US congressmen to put various forms of pressure on Malaysia to secure his release. So far, a group of congressmen have filed a motion in Congress to call for his re-trial but what more they will call for, including perhaps economic sanctions is left to be seen, especially after the US elections. Fortunately there are others, both leftist and bourgeois nationalist who oppose this neo-liberal, globalisation drive, though even among the few willing to describe themselves as leftist, they are anti-Stalin. Notably the chairman of the Parti Sosialis Malaysia which calls itself as a Marxist party. He's a former academic who now runs a clinic practicing holistic medicine. It's only saving grace is that it the only party which gets militantly involved in the struggles of the estate workers and of poor people being evicted from their homes to make way for bourgeois property developers. Besides them, very few people will even want to associate themselves with the word "socialism." It "ain't fashionalbe" any more in their minds -- better to start a dot-com company and have wet dreams about making it rich in an IPO (until the recent dot-com collapse). In a recent newspaper report from Thailand, a student activist complained that students there these days are more interested in supporting the rights of aboriginal people to continue living their lives close to nature, in ecological, environmental issues and issues related to sustainable development but are not interested at all in issues of labour exploitation in sweatshops in the cities, child labour, criminal neglect of worker safety and about the plight and struggles of workers. That's the sort of thing which happens here too. I guess it's not very different from Britain. However, the struggle goes on, driven by the intensifying hardship created by capitalism and that is the fuel which should give leftists hope that the present setback caused by the collapse of the Soviet Union can eventually be reversed. Fraternally Charles ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL] For signing in support of DR Congo, last date 16.08
- Original Message - From: Alan Dover [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2000 7:21 AM Subject: RE: [MLL] For signing in support of DR Congo, last date 16.08 Cuba SI! http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900388/ Viden er Magt! - Magten til folket! http://w1.1559.telia.com/~u155900373/ Those others who wish to sign the below joint statement should do so no later than 16.08.00 (24.00 hours GMT), with a message to one of the mailing lists indicated. It's hoped that any orga- nization which may want to sign as such will have had time to discuss this until then. Adding what place and country you're writing from is optional. The statement will be sent on 17.08 to media and other addresses. - RM Support the just struggle of the DR Congo! Since August 1998, the Democratic Republic of Congo is being subjected to a largescale neo-colonialist aggres- sion. The neighbouring states Rwanda, Uganda and Burun- di are invading the country, occupying one-half of its territory and refusing to withdraw their troops as was agreed on in a so-called accord one year ago. They are acting as proxies of the imperialist, so-called rich states whose governments want to subjugate and exploit the DR Congo anew. The people in that country are suf- fering enormous deprivations because of this aggres- sion, which has so far caused the death of over 1.7 million people. They are continuing to resist the in- vasion, by armed force and other means, solidarically supported in this by the likewise relatively poor coun- tries Zimbabwe, Angola and Namibia, which are also tar- gets of imperialist machinations of similar kinds. We, the undersigned, are calling on the people in all countries to support the just struggle of the Congolese people. We demand that the governments in our respec- tive countries cease all support of the aggression against the DR Congo! We demand that they instead op- pose it, as they are required to do by the UN Charter and by the most elementary principles of justice and civilization! The mass media must cease hiding the facts about this barbaric invasion. Economic, humani- tarian and military aid must be given to the DR Congo. Per Rasmussen Skolevej 22B Præstø Denmark Rolf Martens Nobelvägen 38 SE - 214 33 Malmö Sweden [Your signature here] Charles F. Moreira Alan Dover, NZ ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
Re: [MLL] Progress Publishing
Comrades, The URL is www.rcpbml.org.uk Charles - Original Message - From: Declan Carolan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 10, 2000 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [MLL] Progress Publishing You could try the Revolutionary Communisty Party of Britain (ML) site, their book store online(sorry on link) On Mon, 7 Aug 2000 17:19:43 snitting wrote: Hi comrades Another question from me: Is there any party or bookstore out there that carry old titles from Progress Publishing, the department for foreign languages? ro does anyone have a list of books published, so that I know which ones to seek out? Both theoretical works and novels. Thanks in advance /Staffan Send your favorite photo with any online greeting! http://www.whowhere.lycos.com/redirects/americangreetings.rdct ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To change your options or unsubscribe go to: http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
[MLL] People's organisations in the forefront
Comrades, This editorial by The Nation suggests that the protests are probably progressive since peoples' organisations are in the forefront and they oppose globalisation. My scepticism is just because I've seen enough of NGOs in Malaysia which appear to be imperialist backed and while they harp about "freedom," "democracy," "human rights," etc, they have paid little attention to the plight of those, especially workers and peasants adversely affected by globalisation. On the contrary, many NGO-types in Malaysia support more open borders, etc which can only benefit the imperialists. Charles == EDITORIAL: Protests highlight flaws in Thai democracy http://www.nationmultimedia.com/new/30ed01.shtml THE nation yesterday witnessed two major protests by citizen groups. One was in the heart of Bangkok's Sanam Luang, where major pro-democracy movements in the past led protests to oust the government. Another occurred some 1,000 kilometres away in the southern province of Songkhla. The two events took place separately and were different in nature as well as in their demands. But both stemmed from incredibly similar root causes, the government's lack of political will to solve the problems of its people and the absence of a comprehensive vision of the new politics of direct democracy. This government has always put its political and economic interests before the interests of its citizens. Yesterday at Sanam Luang more than 10,000 activists, academics, rural villagers and labour unionists officially launched their campaign to call for a House dissolution, which they hope will lead to a new round of general elections. According to the groups' spokesman, the government lost its legitimacy to run the country as it refused to address the grievances of grass roots communities. In Songkhla's commercial district of Hat Yai, some 1,500 students and residents stormed into the municipal hall, site of a public hearing for the JDA Gas Pipeline project, to express their disapproval of the so-called hearing organised by the government. To the opposing residents from four districts the pipeline would pass through, the public hearing was nothing more than a rubber stamp to give legitimacy to the Petroleum Authority of Thailand (PTT) to go ahead with the project. Back in Bangkok, one of the major protesting groups is actually the labour movement and not rural villagers. The labour union at the Thai Durable Textile (TDT) factory has been abused, nearly 400 staff have been unjustly laid off, and peaceful female workers were attacked by a hired mob while on strike. Two months have passed, and the Labour Ministry has failed to persuade the employers to solve the problem. The employers are believed to have said that they don't want a union, and labour experts fear that a new wave of neo-liberalism means business groups are systematically trying to kill off the labour movement altogether, starting with TDT. This is a shocking development, for the Thai Constitution clearly acknowledges labour's right to unionise. What's more, the Thai Durable Textile Union is among the most progressive in the kingdom, having played an instrumental part in the call for 90-day maternity leave as well as social-welfare schemes. The fact that all these groups eventually have to address the prime minister can only be taken as a failure of the process of decentralisation. Clearly the government is far from being responsive. And while bureaucratic bottlenecks must be overcome, it's the will that counts most. With good will, the public hearing on the pipeline project should have taken place before PTT signed any contract with its Malaysian counterpart in 1998. But that wasn't the case. Nobody should deny that conflicts of interests exist and that that may be a reason why things do not get resolved. The Electricity Generating Authority of Thailand (Egat) must have a lot to lose if they allow the Assembly of the Poor to win. Employers believed they would have more to gain if they rid their factories or companies of unions. Beyond the conflicts of interest, this is also a clash of views on how the society ought to be run. Some want it top-down and autocratic; others want it participatory and just. Direct democracy, where people have to take to the streets to try to get their problems solved, is now being put to the test. The concept is still relatively new, but we all should try to learn more about it. We should also begin, through examples of such unrest, to think and look beyond electoral politics, which unfortunately has become the sole democratic process in the eyes of many Thais. It's clear that democracy, as it exists today, is not responsive to a growing number of people who are already convinced that this is not how a true democracy should operate. The Nation LAST MODIFIED: Saturday, 29-Jul-2000 11:23:00 EDT ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing
Re: [MLL] Marxists-Leninists versus CPGB
Reply to John Walkeer on MLL, 28 July 2000Comrades, I've read some copies of the Weekly Worker both in print and on the Internet and it's clear that they are Trotskyite in orientation. What Viktor Bourenkov wrote about them is even more interesting. With regards the SWP, way back in the 1970's, I recall their paper Socialist Worker supporting dissident groups such as Charter 77 in what was then Chezkoslovakia and the anti-communist Solidarnosc trade union led by Lech Walesa. Well, we can see the end result of their stand in the misery in the former Soviet Union today, which they used to refer to as "state capitalist." Fraternally Charles Viktor Bourenkov wrote: Comrade Walker, You are having deep illusions in the organisation called CPGB. Incidentally, I came accross that insane grouping. In mid-May, a comrade from Communist Party of Britain (CPB) informed me that an article titled Auto-Labourism under attack appeared in issue 334 of CPGB' s Weekly Worker. It was on the front page and was intended to support the motion not to vote Labour party at the 45th Congress of the CPB in London, 22-24 May 2000. I am sorry to quote the two opening paragraphs from their paper to this truly Marxist-Leninist list, but it is necessary to expose the nature of their politics. "Voting for New Labour has become so unpalatable that even the Communist Party of Britain, the Morning Star's 'party', whose programme specifies the road to socialism through a series of left Labour governments, is having difficulty holding the (Labour) party line. Hitherto, the 'official communists' have dogmatically called for a Labour vote, the only rare exception being where it stands its own candidates. Its April 22-24 congress (incidentally, there was a "fraternal" guest from the anti-Semitic and chauvinist Communist Party of the Russian Federation), saw an organised challenge to auto-Labourism which was only narrowly fought off by the leadership. The Merseyside amendment relating to the Labour Party and electoral work was defeated by 38 votes to 26 (Morning Star April 25). ." Below are just several facts they managed to lie about in just two paragraphs of the newspaper. British Road to Socialism, the programme of the Communist Party of Britain, did pay too much attention to parliamentary struggle in its early revisionist editions. However, when CPB was established (as opposed to revisionists in the old CPGB), the programme was re-written and a number of positions were corrected (and I heard, a new edition is about to be released shortly). Although the current edition is still described as revisionist by the New Communist Party of Britain (a M-L organisation which has a positive attitude to comrade Stalin), the first sentence in the article is a very free interpretation of BRS with which the CPB members would certainly disagree. CPB's line is to vote its own candidates if they stand locally or Labour party otherwise (i. e. in cases when the only other option is not to vote.) However, they have not been dogmatic about this line. In the recent Mayor of London elections, they supported Ken Livingstone, an independent candidate, not the official bought-off Labour one, whom they should have supported by the letter of BRS. (Not that Livingstone was significantly less corrupt and pseudoleft than Labour, but he challenged Tony Blair and called for nationalisation of the Tube (London underground).) CPB's 45th Congress was lively and interesting on the whole, and most decisions were taken by a landslide majority. Indeed, the chair had to count the votes just two times. Weekly Worker is trying to create an impression that the party almost split over the issue. Marxists-Leninists should start their critique of the Communist Party of Russian Federation (CPRF) with pointing out that the latter was opposed to revolutionary change from its formation in 1993. CPRF does little to defend the great Soviet past and takes an anti-Stalin position. Instead of opposing and condemning the criminal post-Soviet privatisation in Russia, they called for conducting it "legally". Their main purpose of existence was to get as many seats as possible in parliament, local councils and other authorities, and hence they often sided with the bourgeois régime in attacking the radical left. In their ideology, they replaced progressive Soviet patriotism with backward and delimiting Russian national-patriotism. Later this lead to them being tolerant to nationalistic trends, including those present amongst their leaders. Starting by saying that they are anti-Semitic is just copying the bourgeois propaganda who want to identify communism with fascism, and are hence indifferent to whether CPRF is communist or not. Forget CPRF - there were no guests from the Communist Party of Russian Federation at the Congress. CPB leadership decided that they would deliberately not send an invitation to Ziuganov (CPRF) because of anti-Semitism. The
Re: [MLL] List problem
Comrades, Yes, I'm willing to help. Thanks Sven for the instructions which I'll go through and get the hang of. Charles - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 22, 2000 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [MLL] List problem Sorry, comrades. From now on all new subscribers need to be approved again. It goes without saying that Henry has been unsubscribed again. Please bear with me, the new list management tool is very powerful and more complex than the old one at Utah. I just found out that there an option to moderate newcomers...I would be good if one of the co-moderators got familiar with this tool. I will talk to you privately. Let's move on. Sven Dear comrades, Yes, lets figure out how this happened, but first lets throw the bum off. Sven, is there any reason that we can't use a moderated status for new subscribers? I think that would be the best. If ther is no such status, is that a problem with the list server, or what is involved? Fraternally, George ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list ___ Marxist-Leninist-List mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wwpublish.com/mailman/listinfo/marxist-leninist-list
