Re: MD: Long Play ATRAC
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called video direct. According to the Sony Press release, the 5+ hour recording mode is real and can only be used with compatible players (e.g. MDS-JB940). So it's confirmed, Sony just expanded the format. To me this is Sony's answer (in Minidisc form) to solid state players. It has approximately the same bit rate (MDS-JB940: 73kbps, MP3 players (in one hour mode): 64kbps), but with a 5 hour capacity. Fantastic! (or Dammit!, depending upon how you like having all your equipment made obsolete in a single stroke). I guess we know what the hot new feature for the Sep 2000 portables will be! And, an interesting ATRAC3 vs. MP3 quality contest is about to begin. Rick Hmmm, memory stick technology used on a MD Cheers, Ralph - Sharp? Hello? What are you going to do? -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Long-Play Mode on the JB940 JB530
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "Daryl O." wrote: I've just accessed the link from the community page to Video Direct Distributors' page regarding the new Sony MDS-JB940, and one feature particularly piqued my interest: a long-play mode that "[c]aptures up to 5 hours, 20 minutes of stereo music on a single 80-minute MiniDisc." Does anyone know anything about this? Discs recorded in this special long-play mode couldn't possibly be compatible with older decks, right? I have a Sony MDS-JE530 deck, and this unit has Pitch Control. This means you can play back slightly faster or a lot slower, 1/16 of the original speed is no problem at all. (I mean for the deck, not for the listener :-) I have a computer with a digital connection to my deck (duplex), so if I have a wave file (16 bits 44100 Hz, stereo), I can convert it to 11025 Hz, and play it back as if it is a normal 44100 Hz wave file. Effectively playing it back at 4x normal speed. When I record this on my deck, I can play the recording back at the right speed with Pitch -24 (1/4 of normal speed). The quality is still surprisingly good. No noise! I see (hear!) three problems with this: - 1. With the conversion from 44.1 to 11.025 kHz you lose all the sounds above +/- 5500 Hz, - 2. ATRAC reduces the high sounds also. I mean if you have a 5 kHz tone, than ATRAC will treat it as a 20 kHz tone. - 3. Recording at 1/4 of the normal speed, also means only 1/4 of the information that is normally recorded can be stored. My guess is that the JB940 only has problem 1 and 3 in long-play mode. If the recording in long-play mode is achieved by converting the compressed (ATRAC) data, than problem 2 doesn't exist. So, I think that long-play tracks can be played back in all decks, but only decks with pitch control are able to play it back at the right speed. :-) I also think recording in long-play mode would be great for portable units. Imaging recording 10 hours of lectures in mono on a single 74min59sec MD. If Sony would sell such a unit (without end search button of course), it would make MD famous even in the USA ;-) Niels Hoi Niels, According to Rick, it uses ATRAC3. So ALL of the problems you describe don't apply. Cheers, Ralph - One of the other Dutchman on the list! -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
Hi, The MZ-1 had a digital output but that is ancient history now (was it the first MD device ever produced?) A few days ago I thought up a possible reason modern MD kit does not support an optical digi-out. The latest units operate on 1.5V yeah? An LED does, or at least did need a forward voltage of about 2V to pass any current so they would need a voltage-multiplier circuit, a not particulary efficient thing to up the voltage (conversion to AC, step up via diodes and capacitors, rectification and smoothing to DC). Given all the extra circuitry to generate lets say 3V, the need to have a way to turn it on and off (else it will suck the life from your battery), and the fact they want you to buy a home-deck as well as a portie to double their sales, they aren't gonna stick an optical-out on modern ultra-slim low voltage units. My guess is the MZ-1 probably ran on about 6 volts and drew a horrendous amount of current :-) I know a few of you guys have one still, does it double as a hotplate while recording g Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 Earn a minimum of $20 per hour by watching ads on the net! Visit http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10164669 From: "Gilbert Hangartner" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi! Does anyone know of a portable Minidisk recorder featuring a digital output??? This once existed, but there must still be currently sold models having this, no? I looked up at lot of manufacturers, but couldn't find. Greetings Gilbert - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Long-Play Mode on the JB940
Hi guys, Well it seems Sony *may* actually listen to some comments on this list (actually I'd bet a pound for a penny they do-- but always just lurk), but for once have actually implemented a common request. Whether the "long-play" mode(s), be it 2x or 4x existing recording length, plus mono at double stereo length I assume, it could have been done in two ways- 1. LP mode simply acts as an automatic 200% or 400% pitch adj, which means some older decks can cope but quality will suffer, it would be fine for voice recording where readability is more important than fidelity, though. 2. The ATRAC algorithm is used at a lower bit-rate allocation, about 140kbps for 2x length or 70kbps for 4x length. This will give better overall sound but be totally incompatible with all existing MD units unless ATRAC was originally developed with variable bitrates in mind and decoders can cope with it, rather like how an MZ-1 can happily play back R-Type 4.5 ATRAC. Even if incompatible now, I would prefer this implementation (you can bet other units would all start supporting playback at various bitrates, even if they cannot support recording at those rates). Sharp etc would be forced to follow as Sony are market leaders in MD. Either way, I'd love to record about 10 hours of mono audiobook material on one disk (4x length, mono) even 5 hours would be nice, and as someone said it would be ideal for lectures, hungover uni students would love it :-) Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 Earn a minimum of $20 per hour by watching ads on the net! Visit http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10164669 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
PrinceGaz wrote: A few days ago I thought up a possible reason modern MD kit does not support an optical digi-out. The latest units operate on 1.5V yeah? An LED does, or at least did need a forward voltage of about 2V to pass any current so they would need a voltage-multiplier circuit, a not particulary efficient thing to up the voltage Sorry, Gaz, I don't buy this. As far as I have seen, most portables still use at least 3V batteries, and I expect they use ~3V logic parts, but I wouldn't be suprised if they used a boost regulator to smooth out the voltage droop as the battery discharges. When they have an external single cell pack, this will be voltage multiplied. I think many portables DO have LEDs, certainly, my MZR90 has one to indicate recording. Incidentally, when I was looking inside an MZR30 the other day, I noticed the mic/optical input jack socket was clearly labelled "Sharp". simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 100MHz SDRAM is cheap these days-- I got 128Mb for ukp80 inc vat and shipping more than enough for Windoze98 and some theoretical ATRAC encoder I would think. I would say I'm a bit puzzled as to why my machine is nearly 20% slower when I disable the motherboard's 1Mb cache as it is also only running at 100MHz. Is the cache SRAM and have fewer (or no) wait states? Reply privately if you wish. SRAM has no wait states. SDRAM has. SDRAM is only fast when you load/save executive adresses. SRAM is always fast. Cheers, Ralph -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Great deals on MD media!
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Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
From: Simon Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 9:51 AM Subject: RE: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output Sorry, Gaz, I don't buy this. As far as I have seen, most portables still use at least 3V batteries, and I expect they use ~3V logic parts, but I wouldn't be suprised if they used a boost regulator to smooth out the voltage droop as the battery discharges. When they have an external single cell pack, this will be voltage multiplied. I think many portables DO have LEDs, certainly, my MZR90 has one to indicate recording. As I understand it, portables don't have optical output because it would encourage piracy. Suddenly you have the ability to make a near perfect copy of a disc. It would also be slightly pointless as under normal circumstances you would have probably made a digital recording to the MD, and to then make a recording from that disc would mean SCMS would prevent you anyway! It would add a lot onto the price of the unit too I would expect - it would probably make a portable with optical output cost more than a portable without it and a cheap Hi-Fi MD unit which would actually be a better option. Incidentally, when I was looking inside an MZR30 the other day, I noticed the mic/optical input jack socket was clearly labelled "Sharp". I think Sharp invented the dual-purpose socket didn't they? Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
From: PrinceGaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:26 PM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface Who cares, Nick only ever issues a very mild warning after eg, prattling on about gun-control for days so this topic has to be okay. BTW I hope M Schumacher does well in the first F1 race of the season in Sydney this weekend. I think there is only going to be one way to get this solved and that is for somebody to write an ATRAC encoder on the PC based upon the ASIC system. Unfortunately I lack the expertise to write something that complex - is anyone else on this list up to the challenge? I think it can be done, there's no real reason why it wouldn't work, the only issue is whether it would work fast enough for real-time orr faster performance. I've seen many processes categorically stated that a PC could not do in real-time including MPEG decoding, controlling MIDI instruments, networking (yes, at one point this was 'impossible'), making a CD, printing a document, voice dictation, the list is virtually endless. After a lot of research and development all of these are now virtually second nature to every PC user! I see no reason why ATRAC Encoding could not be the same. There will be sceptics at first and it would probably take a few attempts to get it right, but I'm sure it can be done. I only wish I had the knowledge to write it myself (but then Sony would probably be after me for copying their system without permission). Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
- Original Message - From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 3:46 AM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface But your Mazda Miata (your "consumer sports car") needs a lot of supertuning to even think about competing with my "stock" Shelby Cobra GT-350. The analogy is not all that good, though. I never was very good with analogies. The point is that the ATRAC chip in the MD only has one task to perform and it is very good at it. The Pentium chip in the PC has a lot of tasks to *oversee* - it is not actually performing all of them, it has other systems to do that. The graphics card is handling the display, the sound card is handling processing sound (even 3D positioning in some cases) and there are also extra processor/controller chips handling other aspects of system operation. This means the main CPU isn't actually doing as much as you would think until you need to perform a lot more calculations - it spends a lot of time "idle". The effect of this is that it has a lot more "time" to spare on running intense calculations that you would expect it to. I still maintain that it is not impossible for a real-time or faster ATRAC encoder to be produced, I just wonder what the system specification would be in order for it to run fast enough. My reckoning is that the spec. would be a lot lower than some would have us believe. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The point is that the ATRAC chip in the MD only has one task to perform and it is very good at it. The Pentium chip in the PC has a lot of tasks to *oversee* - it is not actually performing all of them, it has other systems to do that. The graphics card is handling the display, the sound card is handling processing sound (even 3D positioning in some cases) and there are also extra processor/controller chips handling other aspects of system operation. This means the main CPU isn't actually doing as much as you would think until you need to perform a lot more calculations - it spends a lot of time "idle". The effect of this is that it has a lot more "time" to spare on running intense calculations that you would expect it to. I still maintain that it is not impossible for a real-time or faster ATRAC encoder to be produced, I just wonder what the system specification would be in order for it to run fast enough. My reckoning is that the spec. would be a lot lower than some would have us believe. Magic And all that is tied together with a 33Mhz PCI bus (Which has an average performance of 33MB/s (PCI is ONLY fast when in burst mode. I/O with soundcards etc. is single-byte based!, unless the CPU invokes DMA transfer, but even then -in most cases-, the PCI bus is occupied and the CPU can't do anything!) Cheers, Ralph - Wondering at what speed the ATRAC-R-type DSP is running -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Great deals on MD media!
Matt Rooke advertised: MD80 as low as 0.85 pence each + VAT ( 1.00 inc VAT) MD74 as low as 0.75 pence each + VAT ( 0.88 inc VAT) he omitted to mention the 5.45 + VAT = 6.40 UKP minimum postage charge, and this price is for 50 off. It's still quite a good deal, certainly compared to the prices I've seen elsewhere in the world. simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | I think there is only going to be one way to get this solved and that is for | somebody to write an ATRAC encoder on the PC based upon the ASIC system. | Unfortunately I lack the expertise to write something that complex - is | anyone else on this list up to the challenge? Emuating an ASIC in software? No, that is a bad idea. Remember when I said that emulation is slow? | I think it can be done, there's no real reason why it wouldn't work, the | only issue is whether it would work fast enough for real-time orr faster | performance. I've seen many processes categorically stated that a PC could | not do in real-time including MPEG decoding, controlling MIDI instruments, | networking (yes, at one point this was 'impossible'), making a CD, printing | a document, voice dictation, the list is virtually endless. Five or six years ago, the average desktop PC could not manage MPEG decoding at reasonable frame rates (16-24fps) at reasonable resolution (420 scan lines) in real time, and they were not fast enough to burn CD-Rs. As for the rest, I do not know where you get your information, but the Corvus Constellation worked just fine for 1MHz Apple ][s, MIDI has always had computer control capability, etc. Right about now, were I you I would seriosuly question my sources. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Warning: pregnant women, the elderly, and Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ children under 10 should avoid prolonged PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ exposure to Happy Fun Ball. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | As I understand it, portables don't have optical output because it would | encourage piracy. Suddenly you have the ability to make a near perfect copy | of a disc. Two words: SCSM. Oh, wait, that's just one acronym. I figure the real reason is that consumers simply do not want to pay for a feature they never use. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
While I'd really like to agree with Rat for a change, * "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | As I understand it, portables don't have optical output because it would encourage piracy. I figure the real reason is that consumers simply do not want to pay for a feature they never use. I'm not convinced the manufacturers spend a lot of time consulting consumers about what they'd like. It's more like they could save a little money and no one would notice. Bearing in mind that the optical out could be inline with the headphone socket, just like the optical in/mic, I think the cost difference might be quite small (to us), but significant to them when they are making a shed-load. simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
* Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | Two words: SCSM. Oh, wait, that's just one acronym. Ahem. SCMS. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ When not in use, Happy Fun Ball should be Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ returned to its special container and PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ kept under refrigeration. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Long Play ATRAC
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === Wow, that could be an answer, one md with a 5-hour show on would be cool. How can they do those pretaped radio shows without having someone at the station to switch disks? I know that on a local channel sometimes before the commercials kick in, I hear a low pitched noise for a couple seconds before the commercials begin. I kind of thought it was recorded because I heard a bunch of station ID's in a row with about a second of music overlapping into the next one, and it said something like "coming up in the 9 o'clock hour" about 20 after 8 before going dead until about 9. Wonder if that really shows that minidisc could be to blame for something like that happening, know casettes can't jump like that, and hard drives have no ability to mess up like that. Much less, would they want to store a 6-midnight saturday show on a hd with all the other things, more than likely running wave files, it'd take a lot of space. At 09:31 AM 3/10/00 +0100, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I called video direct. According to the Sony Press release, the 5+ hour recording mode is real and can only be used with compatible players (e.g. MDS-JB940). So it's confirmed, Sony just expanded the format. To me this is Sony's answer (in Minidisc form) to solid state players. It has approximately the same bit rate (MDS-JB940: 73kbps, MP3 players (in one hour mode): 64kbps), but with a 5 hour capacity. Fantastic! (or Dammit!, depending upon how you like having all your equipment made obsolete in a single stroke). I guess we know what the hot new feature for the Sep 2000 portables will be! And, an interesting ATRAC3 vs. MP3 quality contest is about to begin. Rick Hmmm, memory stick technology used on a MD Cheers, Ralph - Sharp? Hello? What are you going to do? -- === Ralph SmeetsFunctional Verification Centre Of Competence - CMG Voice: (+33) (0)4 76 58 44 46 STMicroelectronics Fax:(+33) (0)4 76 58 40 11 5, chem de la Dhuy Mobile: (+33) (0)6 82 66 62 70 38240 MEYLAN E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] FRANCE === "For many years, mankind lived just like the animals. And then something happened that unleashed the powers of our imagination: We learned to talk." -- Stephen Hawking, later used by Pink Floyd -- === - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Problems with Aiwa MD-X7
I own an Aiwa book-shelf MD system (MD-X7). For the past couple of days, every time I insert a minidisc (I tried all my minidiscs actually) it always said "TOC REE R". Does anyone had the same problem? Any suggestions at all? Thanks, Mike ps: I tried to reset the system but it didn't do anything - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Repliance: What's the best way to record for the longest time?
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Re: MD: md-l-mimedigest V2 #559
Does anyone have ATRAC software for the computer?? I want a copy Phil __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: List operation
"David W. Tamkin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shawn Lin wrote, I was on a list like that once too, where Reply-to was to the sender. VERY little traffic on that list, LOTS of questions, never an answer! Even when I'd search through their archives... all questions and no answers. That certainly is not my experience with reply-to-sender lists. Generally people have known how to use their reply-to-all commands to respond publicly when they wished to, and RTS lists are as busy as RTL lists, except that they don't carry items that were intended privately but accidentally sent to the whole list. A poster who specifically wants public replies can always point Reply-To: to the list on his or her post, and an RTS list leaves it unmo- lested. If people did not do that on the list Shawn remembers, then they may well have preferred private replies. I didn't want to respond again to this thread, given its off-topic nature, but I feel a second note is warranted here. As I mentioned before, I'm a ListMom, and have managed well over 50 lists (probably closer to 70). Some have had over 10,000 members. I also am a member of a ListMom group that manages and discusses many more lists (many of the members of that group have 50 or more lists of their own). Shawn is *absolutely* correct in his description of reply-to-sender lists. I don't say this to "prove anyone wrong," but to add some perspective other than the "well, I'm on a list and..." anecdotal accounts. Among those who manage mailing lists for a living, or as part of their job, there are clear "personalities" for mailing lists. In general, and with few exceptions: Reply-to-sender lists get less traffic, fewer answers sent to the list, and are generally less informative on the whole. On the other hand, they get less off-topic mail and less idle chatter. The exception to this rule is the organized and disciplined list where the sender summarizes all replies and posts a response summary to the list so that everyone benefits from the replies. But such lists are *very* rare. Reply-to-list lists get more traffic, more answers to the list, and are generally more informative on the whole. However, they get much more off-topic mail and much more idle chatter. Once in a while they get a "supposed-to-be-private" response to the list. The exception to this rule is the moderated list where ListMoms review posts and cut out the off-topic and "noisy" posts. If incoming Reply-To: addresses were preserved somewhere, I could rename that to Reply-To: and have the full RTS format I like while the RTL crowd could get it the way they please. While some lists don't include the original Reply-To header for each message, the From header is usually sufficient to reply privately to the original author, and most email clients allow you to reply to that address fairly easily. The number of email users who have a Reply-To address that is different from their From address is very small... too small to justify changing a list's management style just for them ;-) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
* Simon Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | I'm not convinced the manufacturers spend a lot of time consulting consumers | about what they'd like. No, but they do listen when, say, 10 out of a hundred ask, "what use is this?" and the remaining 90 say nothing. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ If Happy Fun Ball begins to smoke, get Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ away immediately. Seek shelter and cover PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ head. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
From: Ralph Smeets [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 12:28 PM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface And all that is tied together with a 33Mhz PCI bus (Which has an average performance of 33MB/s (PCI is ONLY fast when in burst mode. I/O with soundcards etc. is single-byte based!, unless the CPU invokes DMA transfer, but even then -in most cases-, the PCI bus is occupied and the CPU can't do anything!) Can't argue with that, however, I would point out that you can do MPEG video encoding on a P3-400MHz system at 320x240 resolution in true colours, and that's *with* a 16 bit stereo audio stream and no hardware encoder (my 450MHz manages 16fps unassisted). I still find it hard to believe that a machine that can manage that wouldn't be able to do ATRAC encoding fast enough. Cheers, Ralph - Wondering at what speed the ATRAC-R-type DSP is running At a guess I'd say 35 MHz with 70MHz on-chip Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
I thought the point was SarCasMS - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output????
From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: Re: MD: Portable MD-recorder with Digital Output * "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | As I understand it, portables don't have optical output because it would | encourage piracy. Suddenly you have the ability to make a near perfect copy | of a disc. Two words: SCSM. Oh, wait, that's just one acronym. I figure the real reason is that consumers simply do not want to pay for a feature they never use. Had you read the rest of my post you would have realised I stated this as one of the reasons optical out on a portable would be a waste of resources. Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
From: Stainless Steel Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MD-L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface Emuating an ASIC in software? No, that is a bad idea. Remember when I said that emulation is slow? I didn't say emulate the ASIC, I said devise a system based up it. The Windows caluclator is based upon an actual calculator, but it isn't an emulation. I have been arguing for a while that the best way to reproduce a system is not necessarily be emulation. Five or six years ago, the average desktop PC could not manage MPEG decoding at reasonable frame rates (16-24fps) at reasonable resolution (420 scan lines) in real time, and they were not fast enough to burn CD-Rs. As for the rest, I do not know where you get your information, but the Corvus Constellation worked just fine for 1MHz Apple ][s, MIDI has always had computer control capability, etc. Right about now, were I you I would seriosuly question my sources. If you go back far enough you'll find the idea of a computer in a chip was laughed at. The idea of a computer was itself rediculous until Charles Babbage came along. My point is that things move on, systems get better and can do more things, and so it is not impossible for a computer to do this task. It's no more challenging than any other "impossible" task a computer has ben asked to perform. I am 100% sure it can be done and I'm quite sure that the systems we currently have would be fast enough. If they aren't now then by the time such a system hit the market with the appropriate modifications made to an MD they very probably would be! Magic -- "Creativity is more a birthright than an acquisition, and the power of sound is wisdom and understanding applied to the power of vibration." Location : Portsmouth, England, UK Homepage : http://www.mattnet.freeserve.co.uk EMail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony's new Internet Audio Recording Interface
* "Magic" [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Fri, 10 Mar 2000 | I didn't say emulate the ASIC, I said devise a system based up it. The | Windows caluclator is based upon an actual calculator, but it isn't an | emulation. I have been arguing for a while that the best way to reproduce a | system is not necessarily be emulation. The software guts of the Windows calculator are totally unlike those in the IC of a pocket calculator. They do the same thing, but they go about it in different ways. There are things that can be done in an ASIC that are just plain stupid to do the same way in software on a general purpose processor. Counting on your fingers is really easy for humans. Counting on fingers is not a good way to write mathematical software. [...] | If you go back far enough you'll find the idea of a computer in a chip was | laughed at. The idea of a computer was itself rediculous until Charles | Babbage came along. Actually, it was laughed at well through Babbage's life and death. None of his engines were ever built. | My point is that things move on, systems get better and can do more things, | and so it is not impossible for a computer to do this task. Tell me where I once stated that a desktop machine five years from now would be unable to perform ATRAC encoding in real time. I will save you the trouble: I never did. I said that a desktop machine today cannot perform ATRAC encoding in real time because it has to do in slow software what a dedicated DSP can do in a fast ASIC. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Happy Fun Ball contains a liquid core, Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ which, if exposed due to rupture, should PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ not be touched, inhaled, or looked at. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
