MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
I am a little confused and disappointed by some of the things that I have read recently here on the list. I have always felt that the quality of an MD copied from a CD (digitally) is almost indistinguishable on equipment manufactured within the last year or 2. Now I am finding multiple comments from long time list members stating that there is on obvious difference in the quality between the original CD and the MD copy. I no longer own a deck. My 510 sat around collecting dust while I constantly used my portables and with the advent of ATRAC3, I jumped at the chance to sell mine of $150.00. This price included the balance of a Circuit City ESP (which cost $89 itself). So if there is a noticeable difference between the 510 and my Denon R70 or my never Aiwa F70 portable recorder, I'm screwed. I am interested in all opinions regarding lower end decks and portables. Also, the difference that people have noticed between CD and it's MD copy. I don't have the time to properly try and conduct A/B tests and since they would not be blind, let alone double blind, psychoacoustics becomes a problem. Thanks, Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
* las [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, 20 Aug 2000 | I have always felt that the quality of an MD copied from a CD (digitally) is | almost indistinguishable on equipment manufactured within the last year or 2. Extend that back about to about 4 years, with the introduction of Sony ATRAC 4. Generally speaking, it is, modulo the quality of the playback equipment. | Now I am finding multiple comments from long time list members stating | that there is on obvious difference in the quality between the original | CD and the MD copy. Who the hell cares? MiniDisc is not about top-level audio quality (neither is CD-DA, for that matter), it is about portability. Any differences you might hear out of your PSB Alphas is going to be irreproducible on the best headphones that a portable unit can drive. And even if they were, you are going to be outside, in your car, in the gym, whatever, where external noise is going to be worse than any "obviously" perceptible quality loss in the encoding algorithm. MiniDisc is superior to compact cassette in every way imagineable. If you agree then to hell with the "long-time list members" spurrious statements about MD's audio quality. If you do not, then stay the hell away from MD. Simple as that, really. -- Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]\ Ingredients of Happy Fun Ball include an Minion of Nathan - Nathan says Hi! \ unknown glowing substance which fell to PGP Key: at a key server near you! \ Earth, presumably from outer space. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: Sony blanks at Best Buy for ~US$2.25/ea w/shipping
Not such a hot deal. Link below has a 5 pack for $10. I'm sure that is not the cheapest either... http://www.electronicsemall.com/son5mdw74axm.html Kudos, Nathan White [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Eric Woudenberg Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2000 9:29 AM To: Scott Knight Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: MD: Sony blanks at Best Buy for ~US$2.25/ea w/shipping Thanks for the note Scott, I'm forwarding it to the MD mailing list. -Rick "Scott Knight" writes: Best Buy has the Sony 8 pack 74m mindiscs with plastic storage box for $16.99 or about $2.13 per disc. These are also available from the newly designed website, but of course shipping charges apply. I put some in the shopping basket and shipping came to $.99. See http://www.bestbuy.com/Detail.asp?m=111cat=135scat=137e=11001395 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Pre-Rec MDs
So Chris, what kind of stripper did you mean? A varnish solvent? An ecdysi- ast to entertain you during the dubbing process? I'll consider myself chastised for my ignorance about pre-recorded MDs and their SCMS setting and I thank you, David, for setting me straight. Personally, though, I still probably wouldn't buy pre-rec MDs. Chris Callahan -- home: [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.coldwatercentral.com Jazz Nation: http://www.thejazznation.com -- - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pre-Rec MDs
Chris followed up, | I'll consider myself chastised for my ignorance about pre-recorded MDs and | their SCMS setting and I thank you, David, for setting me straight. Please don't feel chastised. Upbraiding you was not part of the plan at all; I couldn't resist the puns but they weren't intended as chastisement. For all I knew you might have been talking about something other than SCMS, and I didn't want to rely on assumption. In my nearly five years on this list and its predecessor, I can't remember anyone's reporting a premastered MD where SCMS was set for unlimited digital copying nor for no digital copying. On the other hand, all three settings have appeared on retail CDs. | Personally, though, I still probably wouldn't buy pre-rec MDs. Nor would most of us. Usually the CD costs the same or less and is easier to find. With blank MDs so relatively inexpensive nowadays (compared to their prices a few years ago), it's a bargain to have the original CD with larger, easier-to-read artwork and liner notes, playable wherever there's a CD player, plus an editable copy on one's own MD. I own four premastered MDs, for the following reasons, none purchased since 1997: 1. The first day I bought an MD unit I wanted to try playing before I tried recording. The CD would have been $3 less; ouch. 2. A song I'd been looking for and not found on CD turned up on a prerec MD. 3-4. A two-disc set was $2 less on MD than on CD. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Future of minidiscs
- Original Message - From: "Dan Frakes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] OK, but the problem is that all of the above is a CD vs. MD sound comparison. I agree that MD doesn't sound as good as CD. However, your original claim, to which I was responding, was that high-bitrate MP3 sounds better than MD. Well, what I wrote was actually directly in response to someone else's claim that "MD always sounds better than MP3s". I was merely describing a simple test that compares CD vs. MD because, essentially, when I rip MP3s I don't get the strange sparkly burbling sounds. If you want to round out the experiment a bit more, then just do this instead: . Get a digital optical output card for your soundcard . Play an audio CD in your CD-Rom drive thru the soundcard (using digitial SPDIF connector from CD-ROM to soundcard) and out thru the optical output and monitor that on your Sharp831 using Rec-Pause mode . Record the audio CD from the second step on the Sharp831 (just take it out of Rec-Pause) . Play back the MD you just created . Encode the CD as MP3 using what you believe to be a high-quality encoder (e.g. 320kbps encoded using LAME or Fraunhofer) . Play this MP3 thru your soundcard and out thru the optical output and monitor THAT on your '831 in Rec-Pause. The MD sounds the worst of the bunch because it adds the artificial fizzing sound. Yes, it's perhaps a little subjective, but when you define 'low quality' to mean 'sounds artifical because white noise is not recorded well and instead sounds like a small jet of bubbling steam, as do complex sounds like cymbals and essonance' then my experimental results seem (to ME) to show that the MD recorded on the Sharp 831 is the lowest quality of the three. The 831 adds a layer of sparkly, burbling high frequencies to quiet passages and high frequencies .. in fact, if you record anything with a slight amount of background noise onto the 831 the background noise just sounds crazy and artificial like a load of bubbles bursting instead of dull white noise. DON'T come back at me by saying 'You should get a better CD collection if all the tracks have background hiss' because I'll just tell you where to go. That's my CDs, and the 831 cannot encode them as well as a Aiwa model at half the price, or a Sony deck, or ... As for the above paragraph (and this is completely unrelated to the previous debate), I've never heard of any kind of "layer of sparkly, burbling high freqencies" or the like when recording from CD to MD. The MD never sounds as good on my equipment, but never because of such "noise." To me that sounds like a problem with your recorder. I'm not the only one !! I just did a quick search on altavista and came up with this: http://minidisc.org/hearing_sharp_atrac.html Although I did also find this as a kind of response http://minidisc.org/hearing_sharp_atrac.html Is it a problem with my Sharp831; or is it a problem with THE sharp 831? And how can I find out, other than try a bunch of other Sharp831 units, perhaps by taking my unit back to the store and complaining that it sounds 'broken' ? dave - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess I've never seen much use for pre-recorded MDs. But compact cassettes had a large market share in the prerecorded area. Even though the durability and fidelity was poor. The MD does everything the cassette does only better and with many more options (not even counting the digital aspect). But pre-recorded cassettes had a large market share because CD's weren't around ;-) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: sound quality difference in blanks?
las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's not quite true, Larry. If you look up "psychosomatic" in a modern dictionary, it has two definitions. The first is medical. The second is "relating to or concerned with the influence of the mind on the body" and can relate to any situation where the mind can influence the body's perception. But what you call the second defination is really a detailed explanation of the medical term. It can be a way of describing the medical usage in "lay" terms, but it is also a more general application that can be applied to any situation where the mind can influence the body's perception (the way something "sounds" or "tastes" or "feels" etc.) Insofar as people "hear" things not because of the audible sound waves produced but because they expect or want to hear those things, the term "psychosomatic" does apply to audio... - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Future of minidiscs
I'm not the only one !! I just did a quick search on altavista and came up with this: http://minidisc.org/hearing_sharp_atrac.html Although I did also find this as a kind of response http://minidisc.org/hearing_sharp_atrac.html Oops ... that second URL ought to be http://amulation.com/md-l-archive/199905/msg00769.html d - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: CD quality compared to MD quality
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000 02:24:16 -0400, las [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little confused and disappointed by some of the things that I have read recently here on the list. I have always felt that the quality of an MD copied from a CD (digitally) is almost indistinguishable on equipment manufactured within the last year or 2. Now I am finding multiple comments from long time list members stating that there is on obvious difference in the quality between the original CD and the MD copy. [snip] I am interested in all opinions regarding lower end decks and portables. Also, the difference that people have noticed between CD and it's MD copy. OK, Larry, I'm game grin It all depends on your equipment. For the majority of people who use MiniDiscs, there is no audible difference. Most equipment that you buy at Circuit City or Best Buy just doesn't produce the differences. This is not intended to be "elitest" nor am I saying that you can't get good, satisfying sound from Circuit City or Best Buy. Millions of people are ecstatically happy with their Circuit City stereos, and I have absolutely no problem with that. I am simply stating an objective fact: you can only produce a certain level of audio quality within the constraints of mass-market audio components. And MD is good enough that within that market, it's difficult to tell the difference. However, on higher-end systems (or even with very good headphones) the difference in sound quality between CD and MD is often immediately audible. Let's put this discussion in perspective. My friends and I often debate whether or not MP3 is "CD-quality." They'll argue for hours that it is -- then I go to their place and see that they're listening to CDs and MP3s on their computer with $30 Labtec speakers. Of course they sound the same! grin There exists a level of "system quality" below which they sound the same, and above which there is an audible difference in quality. Our discussion here is simply raising everything up to a higher level: even on a decent system, CD and MD may sound the same. However, there is still a threshold of system quality above which you will be able to hear the difference. Our system at home consists of NAD separates and NHT and PSB speakers. I'm not even close to being wealthy, but audio quality is very important to me. I'm willing to spend a lot of time shopping so that I can get the best possible sound for my money. I'll make due with fewer features if it means better sound. So I spend quite a bit of time shopping for my system (and saving for it!), listening in audio shops, reading reviews, newsgroups, etc. In my opinion, I have the best system I could get for the money I spent (interestingly enough, my system actually cost less than some of the "super-systems" I see at Good Guys or Circuit City, but that's another discussion g). On *this* system, there is an audible difference between MDs and CDs. I don't have the time to properly try and conduct A/B tests and since they would not be blind, let alone double blind, psychoacoustics becomes a problem. I know you're a stickler for proper test methodology, Larry; as a researcher, I am, too. But here's an example that's better than most non-scientific comparisons. My girlfriend and I make MD copies of CDs that we listen to frequently so that we can take them with us. Our home system has both CD and MD. If we're at home and she wants to listen to an album we've recorded to MD, sometimes she uses the CD, sometimes she uses the MD. If I walk into the room, I can tell which one she is playing without knowing which one she inserted, without looking at the stereo, etc. In other words, I can tell by the way it sounds. It doesn't get much more "blind" than that. The only time I'm not sure is if I have never heard the original CD (which makes sense -- you need to have heard the original to tell if the copy is inferior). However, even then there are times when the music just "doesn't sound right" -- meaning the sound isn't as good as I would expect. There have been a number of times that I've pegged an MD even though I'd never heard the original CD. MD has a certain sound that I can often pick out on our home system. All that said, I think we're making a big deal out of nothing here. The fact is that MD is a very good compressed copy of an original. It's good enough that most people won't be able to hear the difference. But as long as there *is* a difference, some people, because of better playback systems, better ears, whatever, will objectively be able to discern that difference. This phenomenon is not constrained to audio. People who test drive cars for a living can detect the sublest differences in the way two cars handle, while I can't feel much difference between a Civic and a Jeep g. I marvel at how much better the picture is when playing a DVD vs. an older VHS tape, but I have friends who claim they look exactly the same. In
Re: MD: Sharp portables and monauralizing
What does this mean, and how do I test it? I'm guessing 'monauralizing anomalies' means a tendancy for the ATRAC chip to screw up the stereo imaging during compression by making the assumption that the listener won't notice? dave - Original Message - From: "David W. Tamkin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Would some owner of a Sharp portable be so good as to test whether it suffers the same monauralizing anomalies as Sony and Aiwa products? Thanks much. - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Sony MD mono workarounds...
When recording mono from analog, it appears that it would be best to mix to mono before the signal reaches the MD, then connect only one input channel of the MD, leaving the other unconnected. To get the level correct, the digital record level would have to be set at +6 dB (higher is OK; lower digital record level coupled with higher analog signal level might cause ADC overload, which is *not* indicated by the "over" indicators). Recording mono from digital would require a similar proceedure, done with an audio editor on the PC: mix to mono and place the resulting mono mix on one channel of a stereo WAV file and silence on the other channel, then boost the digital record level 6 dB at the MD. I see so easy way of making a digital mono recording directly from a CD player an optical connection. Maybe one way of fixing it would be to feed the signal though an S/PDIF receiver, invert the LRCLK signal, then connect to an S/PDIF transmitter. This would reverse the left and right channels, but it might also introduce a 1-sample shift. Trouble is, it might be in the same direction as the MD, resulting in a total shift of 2 samples. That said, I think the effect of the 1-sample-error is fairly minimal in many cases due to the steep slope of the high freqency rolloff, when viewed in terms of the "octave" properties of hearing perception. Also, most listeners are much more tolerant of a very stable phase error such as this, than an unstable error such as that caused by tape edge damage on analog master tapes (for example, Neil Young's "Cinnamon Girl"). Meantime, I'll be eagerly awaiting word on which Sony decks have this problem, and if (or when) Sony has it fixed for good! - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: lp minidisc
I am considering getting a combo cd-md combo deck for a friend. Are the lp md's out in the us. Does this combo exist yet in lp mode. Any help is appreciated. Thanks, Yaniv - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Sony MD mono workarounds...
On Sun, 20 Aug 2000, Timothy P. Stockman wrote: When recording mono from analog, it appears that it would be best to mix to mono before the signal reaches the MD, then connect only one input channel of the MD, leaving the other unconnected. To get the level correct, the digital record level would have to be set at +6 dB (higher is OK; lower digital record level coupled with higher analog signal level might cause ADC overload, which is *not* indicated by the "over" indicators). Yes, I agree - this seems to offer the best solution. Recording mono from digital would require a similar proceedure, done with an audio editor on the PC: mix to mono and place the resulting mono mix on one channel of a stereo WAV file and silence on the other channel, then boost the digital record level 6 dB at the MD. If there is an audio editor in the chain, why not fix the problem directly by doing a phase shift of one sample in the editor? If you have (or have had) a Creative Labs soundcard then the older versions of Wavestudio supplied with the card can do this. I'm pretty certain that most audio editing software can. Then there would be no need to adjust the volume (which has a slight loss of audio quality due to the multiplication involved). Meantime, I'll be eagerly awaiting word on which Sony decks have this problem, and if (or when) Sony has it fixed for good! As am I - I could only test the JE520 because that is the only MD recorder I have. It would also be interesting to see if Sony portables have the same problem (and other manufacturers' equipment). Jonathan - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: OT Re: sound quality difference in blanks?
Hi All, quality between brands of MDs are in the realms of belief and imagination. | ... and man-made definitions. In my experience, woman-made definitions are not any more objective. But if you're a man, woman made definitions are always more correct, unless you're a married man when they are always absolutely correct!! Best wishes, Ray - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: sound quality difference in blanks?
Someone wrote: | That isn't Psychoacoustics! Psychoacoustics is in fact the complete | opposite! I think the other poster might have meant "psychosomatics." You believe something, so your body reacts accordingly. Then there is the psychoceramic too. Isn't that what some of the audiophiles are? Maybe some of us MDer besides! Psychoceramic-- crackpot. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Pre-Recs/Blank Quality
At 8/20/00 8:56 PM, las increased the world's knowledge by typing: But there were records around. All they had to do was buy the record which was cheaper than the prerecorded tape to begin with and make a copy of the record. This is exactly the analogy that you are making between the CD and the prerecorded tape. But recording a record to a tape was _much_ more hassle than recording a CD to a MD. You had to have a decent record player and pretty good tape recorder. Then you had to make sure you had a tape that was long enough. You also had to make sure that one side of a record could fit on one side of the tape. Then you had to make sure that you weren't attempting to record on the tape leader. And finally, you had to start recording the tape and playing the record at the same time--no easy feat. And that was just one side that you just recorded. Now you have to flip the tape AND record and do it again. With MD all you have to do is plug the optical plug into the portable MD (if you don't have a preconnected deck setup.), push play/pause on the CD player, push record on the MD, then push pause on the CD player to start the recording. Then just sit back and wait for it to finish. In the process, you wind up with tracks premarked, sometimes (rarely) tracks already named, and a (almost) exact digital duplicate of the original. Compare this to the less than perfect copy of an LP that you were guaranteed to get. (Why do I get the feeling that I just missed the point?) Ed "What the" Heckman [EMAIL PROTECTED] +--+ | Kindness consists in loving people more than they deserve. | |-- Joseph Joubert | +--+ - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: MiniDisc Weekly News for 20 August 2000
MiniDisc Community Pages News for 13 August 2000 o MD competition? Ilwoong Pyo points out the [1]MET 8cm CD/MP3 player, though not tiny (98x93x23mm), nor particuarly long playing (4 hours battery life) it does offer 3-6 hours of MP3 audio capacity on cheap mini-CD media. (No price or production info given, unit is not a recorder). [1] http://www.met.com.tw/eng/products/mp3.htm o Blast from the past: The Korean MD page adds snapshots with (huge) closeups of the old (ca. 1995) [2]Sony MZ-R3 and [3]Aiwa AM-F3 portable recorders. [2] http://minidisc.co.kr/md/mdr/sony/r3 [3] http://minidisc.co.kr/md/mdr/aiwa/f3 o Pining for an MZ-R50? Erwin Lee points out that they're still [4]available new from Vocalinks for US$380 (!). [5]Ebay has several as well, at more reasonable prices. [4] http://www.vocalinks.com/Products/Mobile/Sony_MZ-R50/sony_mz-r50.html [5] http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?MfcISAPICommand=GetResultht=1SortProperty=MetaEndSortquery=minidisc+r50x=15y=14 MiniDisc Community Pages News for 14 August 2000 o Mikhail Grigoriev finds Panasonic's photos and Japanese page for their [1]SJ-MR200 portable recorder. Jong Leong reports that the "Smart Operation Pad" just provides soft-touch buttonpads for the usual portable MD button functions. [1] http://www.panasonic.co.jp/avc/audio/web/pick_up/mr200/mr200.html o [2]Repair QA #5 with David Popovits. [2] http://www.minidisc.org/repair_q5.html o Xitel reports an [3]operational problem between the MDPort-DG1 and Sharp portables. [3] http://208.171.126.52/boards/units/index.cgi?read=9988 o Aaron's [4]MD Specials page points out [5]Amerinet selling the MZ-R50 for $250 new. [4] http://www.geocities.com/mdprices/special.htm [5] http://www.amerinet-electronics.com/store/mz-r50.html MiniDisc Community Pages News for 15 August 2000 o [1]Repair QA #6 with David Popovits. [1] http://www.minidisc.org/repair_q6.html o The [2]machine translation of Sony's CMT-PX3,57 announcement indicates the PX7 can dub 3 CDs to 3 MDs with a single button push. In playback, the 3 MD changer can seemlessly deliver 16 hours of LP4 mode stereo audio. [2] http://www.minidisc.org/CMT-PX5.htm o Howard Chui has a nice set of [3]JVC XM-R70 photos. [3] http://www.howardchui.com/phone/jvc70.htm o Glen Wintringham spots Sharp MD-MT50 variants in New Zealand: the [4]MD-SR50W (no remote), and the [5]MD-SR70W (slight case variation, w/remote and headphones, of a sort). [4] http://www.applianceshop.co.nz/productDetails.asp?productKey=1112categoryKey=46 [5] http://www.applianceshop.co.nz/productDetails.asp?productKey=1113categoryKey=46 o Edmar Mendizabal finds good prices on [6]Hi-Space MD blanks at MusicMixers.com. They also offer sales in bulk (ca. ~USD170/100 pieces, incl. shipping). Email them for details. [6] http://musicmixers.com/mall/ushop/index.cgi?ID=FUWV24task=showcat=BLANK+MiniDisc+MEDIA o Pascal Charbonneau finds Midiman's [7]DiO 2448 soundcard page, the unit offers full optical and coax I/O for about US$150. (Yih-Chun Hu finds it for [8]$100 from Zzounds.com.) [7] http://www.midiman.net/m-audio/html/products/dio2448.htm [8] http://www.zzounds.com/love.music?p=p.THKMIMD482f=2034 o Jim Lee points out [9]Tamrac Cases, offering a dizzying variety of carrying pouches, many quite suited for on the go MD wear. [9] http://www.tamrac.com/welcome.htm MiniDisc Community Pages News for 16 August 2000 o The FAQ gets an entry for [1]Scale Factor Edit, a feature unique to MD that is found on Sony's latest decks. [1] http://www.minidisc.org/minidisc_faq.html#scalefactor o Peter Ravn finds e-tailer pages for the Sony [2]MDS-JE640 and [3]MDS-JB940 at MDland.co.uk (local, faster copies of their (somewhat fuzzy) [4]JE640 and [5]JB940 photos). [2] http://www.mdland.co.uk/sony/mdsje640/index.htm [3] http://www.mdland.co.uk/sony/mdsjb940/index.htm [4] http://www.minidisc.org/mdsje640.jpg [5] http://www.minidisc.org/mdsjb940.jpg o E.J. Dyksen spots an inexpensive, [6]$12 Caselogic Minidisc player pouch. [6] http://www.casedirect.com/cgi-bin/sgin0101.exe?UID=281606030611T1=07+MDC+1+XUREQA=2FNM=00GEN0=top_blend_audio.jpg o Dave Hooper briefly explains how to enter [7]service mode on a Sharp MD-MT831. You'd be [8]wise to have a service manual nearby once you arrive. [7] http://www.minidisc.org/part_Sharp_MD-MT831+832.html [8] http://www.minidisc.org/test_mode_warning.html o Sadly, [9]EasyTitle 2 (an adapter for using normal PS/2 keyboards for titling) has gone out of production. DIY plans for the earlier [10]EasyTitle 1 are still available however. (They invite manufacturers who may be interested in producing the device to contact
Re: MD: sound quality difference in blanks?
"Psychoceramic-- crackpot. Jim, that joke is older then the invention of the mandolin! Larry - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Future of minidiscs
=== = NB: Over 50% of this message is QUOTED, please = = be more selective when quoting text = === "Dave Hooper" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, but the problem is that all of the above is a CD vs. MD sound comparison. I agree that MD doesn't sound as good as CD. However, your original claim, to which I was responding, was that high-bitrate MP3 sounds better than MD. Well, what I wrote was actually directly in response to someone else's claim that "MD always sounds better than MP3s". I was merely describing a simple test that compares CD vs. MD because, essentially, when I rip MP3s I don't get the strange sparkly burbling sounds. I see now what you were trying to illustrate. However, see below. (P.S. I was one of the people who said -- and still say -- that MD always sounds better than MP3s.) As for the above paragraph (and this is completely unrelated to the previous debate), I've never heard of any kind of "layer of sparkly, burbling high freqencies" or the like when recording from CD to MD. The MD never sounds as good on my equipment, but never because of such "noise." To me that sounds like a problem with your recorder. I'm not the only one !! I just did a quick search on altavista and came up with this: http://minidisc.org/hearing_sharp_atrac.html Although I did also find this as a kind of response http://minidisc.org/hearing_sharp_atrac.html Is it a problem with my Sharp831; or is it a problem with THE sharp 831? And how can I find out, other than try a bunch of other Sharp831 units, perhaps by taking my unit back to the store and complaining that it sounds 'broken' ? Well, then that sounds like there is a problem with the Sharp 831. I've never heard such "fizzing" with a 702 or 722, nor have I heard it with a Sony MZ-R50. But back to the original discussion, using an 831 that apparently has a faulty encoding algorithm isn't a very good way to compare MD to MP3 ;-) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
