Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Speaking as an avid mono MD listener, I'm rather suprised that you're getting a headache 1. so quickly, and 2. at all... I spend about 2-3 hours a day listening to MD in mono, though it is spoken word not music, that may or not make the difference. What are you (or your gf) listening to that's causing the headache? Just curious, but would it be techno? with a really high bbm? and fairly low base? the binaural circuit that I think you're half expecting the headache from can't be produced in in mono like you're thinking. A binaural beat will have one tone in one ear (say left) and another tone maybe 1-5 hz off from that other tone in the other ear (right). While you can't hear a 5hz tone, your brain can reconstruct it from the difference by hearing an 80hz, and an 85hz tone in each ear simultaneously. This is fairly common practice with mind machines, used for meditation, relaxation, entrainment, etc. Along those same lines, the same beat pulsing at the right tempo and sound can have a similar effect of altering brain states, though not usually as effective (results vary from person to person, much like drug interaction) To get rid of the headaches, I'd try a few simple things. 1. vary the kind of music you're listening to 2. lower the volume 3. looser fitting headphones 4. any combination of the above 5. all of the above 6. silence hope this helps -Jeffrey -- The day MS makes something that doesn't suck will be the day they start making vacuum cleaners. On Mon, 6 Mar 2000, Peter Wood wrote: Heya Guys, Geez, it's been a while since I last posted. I've got a small question to those wize and in the know people out there ;). I have a Sharp 722 and I love it (this is besides the point and just to let MD have a mention ;). I record some minidisc's in mono so that I can get twice as long ;)... Now, when my girl friend listens to my Stereo minidiscs it takes her about 40 minutes before she gets a headache, where as if it's mono it takes her about 10 minutes. For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. Just woundering if it's feasable that due to both ears receieving exactly the same sound (well obviously not exactly, but you know what I mean) it confuses it and gives it a head ache. Anyone know if this is to do with the brain needing binaurueal (spl) sound Intrested to find out this, Thanks, Peter. -- ** I starting to use my domain more and more my email to use is therefor now [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** "These days when a guy takes a girl into his room to show her his hardware, it usually turns out to be a 450MHz Pentium III with 12Gb hard drive and a Voodoo III card." Peter Wood. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - ICQ? UIN - 15779342 IRC? Doc_Z on @#3cr and #ircbar using irc.dal.net:7000 (DALnet IRC Network) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Peter Wood wrote: Now, when my girl friend listens to my Stereo minidiscs it takes her about 40 minutes before she gets a headache, where as if it's mono it takes her about 10 minutes. For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. Try not putting them so far into the ear. Also, if it is mono, you can switch ears now and then. Turning the volume down a little helps too...That ringing you hear afterwards means the volume is too loud and you are loosing your hearing because of the damage you are causing to your ears. Turn in down. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
In a message dated 3/7/00 1:10:52 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. /|\/|\ I can't explain it, but I can say it happens to me as well. There is fatigue when I listen to monaural recordings, but only through headphones. I don't know why it is like that, but if anyone can shed some light on it, that would be cool. At first I thought it was just the radio (FM stations around here seem to be in a pissing contest to see who can compress and limit the most) but after getting my 702 and some monaural recordings under my belt, I realized it was the lack of stereo, too, as well as the compression/limiting. (My favorite stations are on AM or on FM but 70 miles away -- hence no stereo.) If anyone could explain it, that would be neat. It obviously doesn't happen with monaural sources piped through a speaker or speakers... Just headphones... ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Heya all, After reading some of the explenations some of them kinda make sense, esp with moving your head and the music no appearing to move. For the first time this moring I was listening to a mono recording and I actually felt physically sick, I was on a bus at the time on my way to college, so I had the volume pritty high. I can't think that it's thanks to loud volume, 'cos I listen to stereo recordings at full and most times I escape the headache monster ;). So I kinda like Gaz's idea ;). The music type, well I don't know, some of it is dance, some punk, a lot 80's/ very early 90's. My GF can't stand loud noises, so maybe she just has very "delicate" ears... (Nahhh, just a wimp ;). The one thing I've never had is ringing, never not even after loud gigs. Anyway, thanks for your theories guys, least I'm not the only one out there, Back to revising for Physics modules tommorow, ack PH01 Electricity and mechanics and PH03 Further Physics UCK! Peter. -- "We do not ask for money, only knowledge." -- Me. Peter Wood ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Visit my Sharp 7XX homepage (http://www.wood-soft.co.uk/sharp7xx) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: /|\/|\ For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. /|\/|\ I can't explain it, but I can say it happens to me as well. There is fatigue when I listen to monaural recordings, but only through headphones. I don't know why it is like that, but if anyone can shed some light on it, that would be cool. At first I thought it was just the radio (FM stations around here seem to be in a pissing contest to see who can compress and limit the most) but after getting my 702 and some monaural recordings under my belt, I realized it was the lack of stereo, too, as well as the compression/limiting. (My favorite stations are on AM or on FM but 70 miles away -- hence no stereo.) If anyone could explain it, that would be neat. It obviously doesn't happen with monaural sources piped through a speaker or speakers... Just headphones... ~Zach http://start.at/cens - The Cutting Edge of Nothing Significant I'm guessing here but one possibility that springs to mind is that listening to a mono source through headphones produces a very un-natural effect whenever you move your head. The mono sound through headphones is "seen" as being focussed directly in front of you, and as you move your head the source moves also-- causing something not-unlike motion sickness. Now a stereo source through headphones is interpretad by the brain as coming from a range of different positions so that moving the range is not such an abnormal effect as moving one point. Still it is somewhat abnormal which would explain why stereo thro' phones may cause a headache for some, albeit after a longer period of listening. It would also explain why speakers do not cause this problem, they are fixed (unless mounted on rollers and attached to your head via some odd mechanism :-) and so produce a natural sound source. Well thats what I think-- it's all guesswork but seems a logical reason as to why mono in headphones might cause a headache. Who says I can't reply sensibly to an email and not slag-off Sharp :-) Cheers, PrinceGaz -- "if it harms none, do what you will" Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://website.lineone.net/~princegaz/ ICQ: 36892193 Earn a minimum of $20 per hour by watching ads on the net! Visit http://www.bepaid.com/users.rhtml?REFID=10164669 - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MD: Slightly-OT: Listening to mono recording and headaches....
Heya Guys, Geez, it's been a while since I last posted. I've got a small question to those wize and in the know people out there ;). I have a Sharp 722 and I love it (this is besides the point and just to let MD have a mention ;). I record some minidisc's in mono so that I can get twice as long ;)... Now, when my girl friend listens to my Stereo minidiscs it takes her about 40 minutes before she gets a headache, where as if it's mono it takes her about 10 minutes. For me, in stereo (unless I have it at full blast) I don't get headache, but in mono I do after about an hour and a half. Just woundering if it's feasable that due to both ears receieving exactly the same sound (well obviously not exactly, but you know what I mean) it confuses it and gives it a head ache. Anyone know if this is to do with the brain needing binaurueal (spl) sound Intrested to find out this, Thanks, Peter. -- ** I starting to use my domain more and more my email to use is therefor now [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** "These days when a guy takes a girl into his room to show her his hardware, it usually turns out to be a 450MHz Pentium III with 12Gb hard drive and a Voodoo III card." Peter Wood. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - ICQ? UIN - 15779342 IRC? Doc_Z on @#3cr and #ircbar using irc.dal.net:7000 (DALnet IRC Network) - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
