Re: MD: End-Search petition response
Thanks for that - I have been wondering (and asking) if there was any response - nice to see something, although it's not a lot... GB - Original Message - From: Dan Frakes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: MDList [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 August 2000 4:07 Subject: MD: End-Search petition response I didn't see anyone mention this on the list yet: http://minidisc.org/sony_endsearch_reply.html - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: end search petition
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 11:40:35 +0100 (BST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been researching which portable recorder to buy for ages now. I plan to use it for sampling ambient natural sound (pretension alert?!). I need a unit which has both manual and automatic gain recording, which can also be level-adjusted whilst recording. This rules out all sony machines I think (I'm a prime candidate for losing stuff because of end-search, any way) and it looks as if the Aiwa f70 and f80 models are the only ones which can do this (plus I love the jog-dial feature). Well I've got an Aiwa F65 portable (identical to the F70, 'cept it's not backlit), and have been well pleased with it. All the problems I've heard from people with the main issues on other manufacturers kit, has made me glad I chose this model. BUt.. ..I've read lots of scary reports about them developing problems where they suddenly start erasing disc content. As I said, my F65, is to all intents and purposes, identical to the F70, and I've had no problems whatsoever. Can't comment on the F75 / F80, 'cept to say they don't feel quite as robust as the F65 / F70, but that really is a pick-up-and-look interpretation. Obviously this is A Bad Thing. Admittedly, there doesn't seem to be a machine which is reported as fault-free, but I was just wondering whether anyone on this list has had experiences of this. Does the F80 model address any of these problems? Most of the posts to this site seem to be from Sharp and Sony owners..maybe there's a good reason for this?! Most Aiwa owners I've come across have been pretty darned satisfied with their portable. There's always gonna be exceptions, but I don't think you'll be dissappointed with regards to function or performance. Nor do I think they are lacking in quality compared with Sharp or Sony units. Aiwa owners! PLease give me a good reason to buy one of these! As I said, never had a moments trouble with it. Neil ___ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeisp - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: end search petition
Sean Buckingham wrote: I've been researching which portable recorder to buy for ages now. I plan to use it for sampling ambient natural sound (pretension alert?!). I need a unit which has both manual and automatic gain recording, which can also be level-adjusted whilst recording. This rules out all sony machines I think AFAIK, the SOny portables are the only ones with both automatic and manual record level settings. Contrary to what you have heard, the Sonys do have a level adjust whilst (did I spell that right?) recording. There is a switch on the back of the recorder that you can set to high or low mike sensitivity. THis can be switched back and forth without stoping the recording. If it is in automatic record level, the gain is adjusted automatically according to the level source of the sound. The mike sensitivty setting can be changed on the fly to get more range if needed. If it is in manual record level, you have to set the level, check it to see if it is too high, stop it and reset it if it is. The mike sensitivy switch still works the same way and will give you control with out shutting the recording off. -- Jim Coon Not just another pretty mandolin picker. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If Gibson made cars, would they sound so sweet? My first web page http://www.tir.com/~liteways - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: end search petition
From: Graham Baker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 1 June 2000 8:17 Subject: Re: MD: end search petition Yes, how about the ability to be able to adjust manual record levels without having to pause recording first? IMHO, this Sony mis-feature is almost as daft as the end search button... As far as the record-pause before record thing with the Sharp portables - I have a Sharp 701 and I don't find this function out of place with it, in fact it's necessary as you have to set the record levels with the Sharp (no AGC) and it's best to do that before recording (but very nice to have the option to make small changes on the fly). OTOH, with Sony portables and their AGC function I can see where Sony are coming from - for (almost) instant (panic) recording in the field, slot in your favourite disc, hit record and there's no worrying about having to press play again or adjust record levels - you will have an instant (at reasonable levels) recording... Ooops, I just forgot to press 'end search' - my panic recording just erased my previous one:-) GB - Original Message - From: Jonathan Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Any other suggestions (serious ones)? Jonathan - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: MD: end search petition
Luke Rayner wrote: it) but the cover letter also mentioned that 'pushing RECORD should place the unit into REC-PAUSE mode'(to unify it with home decks admittedly) but this was not mentioned as part of the petition I never noticed this, and it DOES seem to exceed the remit of the petition. I can see the argument for making portables work just like the decks, but it can also be useful to be able to start recording with one operation. Best solution would be a non-volatile choice between these options. simon - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: end search petition
At 11:46 31/05/2000 -0400, you wrote: Eric Woudenberg writes: This did occur to me, but Sharp portables have always started in REC PAUSE mode, and I don't hear any carping about that feature from Sharp users (but now's your chance!). I should be more explicit: would Sharp owners who have lost recordings due to the Sharp's REC-PAUSE startup please speak up? I'm not looking to justify my position, I really want to know if the Sharp's mode of operation presents problems. I have a Sharp 722 and I have no problem whatsoever with the unit going into REC-PAUSE when the REC button is pressed. In fact, I really like this feature. Presumably when you're recording something, you need to check levels, inputs, etc. and in order to do this, you need the unit in REC-PAUSE mode. Do the Sonys start recording IMMEDIATELY when the REC button is pressed? I suspect they take a while to get started up (disc spinning etc.) before they do actually begin to record?? With the unit in REC-PAUSE, it is ready to start as soon as PAUSE is pressed. I am a sound engineer at my local arts centre and I have recorded several gigs now (with the band's consent) from the mixing desk outputs (with excellent results, I must say) - I simply put the unit into REC-PAUSE in the sound check with the press of one button to check the levels as we go - I don't want to have to alter them during the gig. When it comes to start the gig later on, I get the unit ready in REC-PAUSE mode again and when the band are ready to play, I simply press PAUSE and away it goes. Cheers, Wrighty - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: end search petition
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Eric Woudenberg wrote: I should be more explicit: would Sharp owners who have lost recordings due to the Sharp's REC-PAUSE startup please speak up? I'm not looking to justify my position, I really want to know if the Sharp's mode of operation presents problems. I have had a Sony MDS-JE520 for 1.5 years now and never had any problems with going into REC-PAUSE - if I have missed a bit of material I just hit AMS instead of Pause to restore the previous 5/6 seconds of material and then edit the disc afterwards (this is OK unless I hit record too late but I usually leave it in REC-PAUSE before recording so this is not a problem). Portables really should have this feature. Also while we are on the `features Sony portables really should have' thread, I have made a list. * Add a menu option to turn off the remote `beep' * Improve the auto track-marking features to bring them in line with decks - ie allow user to turn track marking on and off for both analogue and digital inputs (including adding an option to both the portables and decks to force the unit to ignore track marks on the digital in) * Add an optical (or coax) digital output to portables (including play only units) and put a line level output on the play only units as well as the recorders (unless they have done that already... my MZ-E25 doesn't have one though so I suspect they haven't). * Put a backlight on the internal LCD * Add menu options to allow the backlight to be turned off on the internal and external LCDs (separately) * Increase the length of the supplied headphone cord (the normal length they supply is far too short... not that I use the original earbuds anyway, but it would be useful) * Allow charging of the internal battery while the unit is in operation (this will only mean supplying a higher current PSU with the unit) And the less plausible ones... * (Very unlikely where Sony are involved) Provide a USB interface to a computer for 1x recording Any other suggestions (serious ones)? Jonathan - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: end search petition
On Wed, 31 May 2000, Jonathan Irwin wrote: Any other suggestions (serious ones)? yeah, follow Sharps lead and have a menu item for timed trackmarks as well as syncro start recording in analogue mode. I love my R50, and since Sony did create MD, I don't want to change brands, but I hate having to envy features of the Sharp portables... -Jeffrey - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MD: END SEARCH Petition (was: question on end search)
on 5/13/00 9:56 AM, Eric Woudenberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard Huggins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But...are you all saying that if your recording portable is in the STOPPED position, it STILL will overwrite material if RECORD is pressed? [...] Educate me! What we need is a *polite* petition/bboard style web page, describing the problem, and asking users to sign it To: Sony Electronics Corporation Portable Minidisc Division Tokyo, Japan A Petition for Sony to Remove the END SEARCH Function from its Portable Minidisc Recorders WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS WHEREAS The END SEARCH function only serves to complicate the user interface of MD portables with NO ADDED BENEFIT, WE THE UNDERSIGNED kindly request that Sony henceforth remove the END SEARCH function Wow Eric, that is impressive, a bit law abiding but good. Would not a legitimate vote first, from a few different quarters, from all MD owners or want to bees, and then perhaps a group letter and individual letters be another approach: Group letter: The feature of End Search has caused many a diehard MD user to choke, if not cry, big time. What where you thinking. What possibly could be your justification for taking this approach. Imagine being in the middle of making the recording of your lifetime, and accidentally hitting record, right after the disk is Re-inserted. [actual stories here, quoted by name and with contact address would be best] Our survey found 1% who liked this feature, justifying it by saying: for their needs, it is a fast way to edit and amend a recording. 5% were flexible. 70% where flaming mad. 24% said that this is why they would not buy the Sony (note: we expect that there is a whole lot larger of a group, but for their own reasons, did not bother to vote) What is needed, for us to not buy the competition next, and not discourage anyone who asks, is for you to inform us that you will change this feature, and that you have a software workaround that will give us a menu choice for our present units. The later, though costly to you, will show the good faith needed to maintain the respect, many of us have been giving Sony products. Sincerely, Will B. Happy - To stop getting this list send a message containing just the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
