Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-29 Thread Morten Blaabjerg 
On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 7:56 PM, Brian Wolff  wrote:

> The official tarball releases are at: https://releases.wikimedia.
> org/mediawiki/
>
> For the old versions of skins, you can download from urls like
> https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Vector/archive/REL1_24.zip
> (Replace 1_24 with the version of MediaWiki you are using. So if you
> are using 1.26, it would be 1_26)
>
Great. Managed to install 1.24 with a compatible version of the "frontend"
skin. That will do great! Feels wonderful to get the "last" of the "old"
MediaWiki back!


> It should be noted that older unsupported versions of MediaWiki have
> known security issues, and we strongly encourage people to only use
> supported versions of MediaWiki.
>
I can understand that. However, I like to live life dangerously :-)

Thx again!
Morten :-)


> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Morten Blaabjerg
>  wrote:
> >>
> >> Skins are always included in the official tarball release. However if
> >> you are downloading from git, you have to download skins separately.
> >> The skins in Wikimedia's git repo all have REL1_XX branches for each
> >> version, so all the old versions are available.
> >>
> >> Can't seem to find this. Can you help with a direct link, so that I can
> > tell where to look ? Thanks!
> >
> >
> >> --
> >> Brian
> >>
> >> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg
> >>  wrote:
> >> > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte <
> lewisca...@googlemail.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
> >> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
> >> >
> >> > I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just
> as
> >> > worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible
> skin.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
> >> skins
> >> >> although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
> >> >> repositories.
> >> >>
> >> > Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of
> some
> >> of
> >> > the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just
> need
> >> to
> >> > get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
> >> work
> >> > with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple
> skins
> >> > would probably do for starters.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old
> unsupported
> >> >> version of MediaWiki?
> >> >>
> >> > Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
> >> > "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply
> leave
> >> it
> >> > in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I
> don't
> >> > get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
> >> > indication of what pages were actually read by people.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
> >> campsite.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sure! Thanks for your time!
> >> >
> >> > I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
> >> > A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
> >> like
> >> > the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not
> get
> >> to
> >> > use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be
> fairly
> >> > simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for
> it.
> >> >
> >> > -- Lewis Cawte
> >> >>
> >> >> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, <
> mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
> >> >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage,
> >> if it
> >> >> > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by
> >> which
> >> >> > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of
> time,
> >> and
> >> >> > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things,
> >> and I
> >> >> > simply love the template functionality too.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the
> >> "pageviews"
> >> >> > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25
> >> onward,
> >> >> > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version
> >> with
> >> >> > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old
> >> version,
> >> >> > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
> >> >> spending
> >> >> > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I
> can
> >> >> find
> >> >> > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or
> >> the
> >> >> > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> >> >> > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if
> >> possible.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I don't want to

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-28 Thread Brian Wolff 
The official tarball releases are at: https://releases.wikimedia.org/mediawiki/

For the old versions of skins, you can download from urls like
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-Vector/archive/REL1_24.zip
(Replace 1_24 with the version of MediaWiki you are using. So if you
are using 1.26, it would be 1_26)

It should be noted that older unsupported versions of MediaWiki have
known security issues, and we strongly encourage people to only use
supported versions of MediaWiki.

On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 4:14 PM, Morten Blaabjerg
 wrote:
>>
>> Skins are always included in the official tarball release. However if
>> you are downloading from git, you have to download skins separately.
>> The skins in Wikimedia's git repo all have REL1_XX branches for each
>> version, so all the old versions are available.
>>
>> Can't seem to find this. Can you help with a direct link, so that I can
> tell where to look ? Thanks!
>
>
>> --
>> Brian
>>
>> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg
>>  wrote:
>> > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
>> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
>> >
>> > I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
>> > worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible skin.
>> >
>> >
>> >> The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
>> skins
>> >> although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
>> >> repositories.
>> >>
>> > Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some
>> of
>> > the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just need
>> to
>> > get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
>> work
>> > with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple skins
>> > would probably do for starters.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old unsupported
>> >> version of MediaWiki?
>> >>
>> > Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
>> > "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply leave
>> it
>> > in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
>> > get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
>> > indication of what pages were actually read by people.
>> >
>> >
>> >> Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
>> campsite.
>> >>
>> >> Sure! Thanks for your time!
>> >
>> > I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
>> > A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
>> like
>> > the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get
>> to
>> > use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be fairly
>> > simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
>> >
>> > -- Lewis Cawte
>> >>
>> >> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, > >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage,
>> if it
>> >> > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
>> >> >
>> >> > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by
>> which
>> >> > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time,
>> and
>> >> > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things,
>> and I
>> >> > simply love the template functionality too.
>> >> >
>> >> > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the
>> "pageviews"
>> >> > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25
>> onward,
>> >> > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version
>> with
>> >> > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old
>> version,
>> >> > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
>> >> spending
>> >> > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can
>> >> find
>> >> > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
>> >> >
>> >> > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or
>> the
>> >> > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
>> >> > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if
>> possible.
>> >> >
>> >> > I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just
>> need
>> >> the
>> >> > simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser,
>> >> and
>> >> > the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special
>> >> page.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the
>> functionality
>> >> > removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
>> >> > extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
>> >> > build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
>> >> >
>> >> > This is for a small mediawiki project, with just

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-28 Thread Morten Blaabjerg 
>
> Skins are always included in the official tarball release. However if
> you are downloading from git, you have to download skins separately.
> The skins in Wikimedia's git repo all have REL1_XX branches for each
> version, so all the old versions are available.
>
> Can't seem to find this. Can you help with a direct link, so that I can
tell where to look ? Thanks!


> --
> Brian
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg
>  wrote:
> > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
> >> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
> >
> > I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
> > worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible skin.
> >
> >
> >> The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
> skins
> >> although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
> >> repositories.
> >>
> > Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some
> of
> > the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just need
> to
> > get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
> work
> > with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple skins
> > would probably do for starters.
> >
> >
> >> Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old unsupported
> >> version of MediaWiki?
> >>
> > Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
> > "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply leave
> it
> > in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
> > get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
> > indication of what pages were actually read by people.
> >
> >
> >> Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
> campsite.
> >>
> >> Sure! Thanks for your time!
> >
> > I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
> > A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
> like
> > the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get
> to
> > use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be fairly
> > simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
> >
> > -- Lewis Cawte
> >>
> >> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg,  >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage,
> if it
> >> > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
> >> >
> >> > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by
> which
> >> > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time,
> and
> >> > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things,
> and I
> >> > simply love the template functionality too.
> >> >
> >> > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the
> "pageviews"
> >> > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25
> onward,
> >> > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version
> with
> >> > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old
> version,
> >> > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
> >> spending
> >> > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can
> >> find
> >> > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
> >> >
> >> > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or
> the
> >> > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> >> > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if
> possible.
> >> >
> >> > I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just
> need
> >> the
> >> > simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser,
> >> and
> >> > the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special
> >> page.
> >> >
> >> > What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the
> functionality
> >> > removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
> >> > extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
> >> > build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
> >> >
> >> > This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no
> signups
> >> > for anyone else, so I intend to use raw html in wiki pages as well.
> So I
> >> > would have no problem using a workaround - say putting some code in a
> >> > template which is then in turn loaded in every page. But of course, it
> >> > would be more easy to have it as part of the footer as it used to be.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks in advance for any help in guiding me in the right direction.
> >> >
> >> > Venlige hilsener,
> >> >
> >> > Morten Blaabjerg
> >> > mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
> >> > ___
> >> >

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-28 Thread Brian Wolff 
Its probably just as supported now as it always was. The main
difference is that when it was in core there was no big warnings that
nobody was maintaining it for years. None of the warnings on the page
say it doesn't work for 1.30. All they say is that nobody is answering
questions about the extension (And that you can loose data if directly
transitioning from an old version, but that doesn't matter to a new
install)

Skins are always included in the official tarball release. However if
you are downloading from git, you have to download skins separately.
The skins in Wikimedia's git repo all have REL1_XX branches for each
version, so all the old versions are available.

--
Brian

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg
 wrote:
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte 
> wrote:
>
>> Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
>
> I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
> worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible skin.
>
>
>> The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of skins
>> although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
>> repositories.
>>
> Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some of
> the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just need to
> get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to work
> with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple skins
> would probably do for starters.
>
>
>> Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old unsupported
>> version of MediaWiki?
>>
> Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
> "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply leave it
> in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
> get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
> indication of what pages were actually read by people.
>
>
>> Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a campsite.
>>
>> Sure! Thanks for your time!
>
> I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
> A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't like
> the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get to
> use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be fairly
> simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
>>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage, if it
>> > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
>> >
>> > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by which
>> > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time, and
>> > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things, and I
>> > simply love the template functionality too.
>> >
>> > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the "pageviews"
>> > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25 onward,
>> > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version with
>> > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old version,
>> > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
>> spending
>> > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can
>> find
>> > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
>> >
>> > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or the
>> > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
>> > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if possible.
>> >
>> > I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just need
>> the
>> > simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser,
>> and
>> > the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special
>> page.
>> >
>> > What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the functionality
>> > removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
>> > extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
>> > build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
>> >
>> > This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no signups
>> > for anyone else, so I intend to use raw html in wiki pages as well. So I
>> > would have no problem using a workaround - say putting some code in a
>> > template which is then in turn loaded in every page. But of course, it
>> > would be more easy to have it as part of the footer as it used to be.
>> >
>> > Thanks in advance for any help in guiding me in the right direction.
>> >
>> > Venlige hilsener,
>> >
>> > Morten Blaabjerg
>> > mortenblaabj...@gmail.com

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-28 Thread Brian Wolff 
This is an entirely different type of "page views" tool, and totally
unrelated to the page views that the original poster is talking about

stats.grok.se and wmflabs "pageviews" tool both are frontends to the
same backend system (I believe originally based on squid logs. In
modern times I believe its varnish logs -> varnishkafka -> kafka ->
hadoop). See https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Systems/Varnishkafka
https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Analytics/Data_Lake/Traffic/Webrequest
and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Page_view

While all this is open source and potentially usable by third parties
- it would be a lot of effort to setup. IMO It does not make sense to
gather statistics in this fashion unless your site is very large (Like
Wikipedia).

--
Brian

On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 8:26 PM, David Gerard  wrote:
> I remember stats.grok.se with fondness - as I understand it, that checked
> the raw Squid logs and tallied up the page hits.
>
> I see we use the "pageviews" tool now - how available is that, and would it
> be usable outside tools.wmflabs.org?
>
>
> - d.
>
> On 27 May 2018 at 19:36, Lewis Cawte  wrote:
>
>> I'm not too familiar with the code but I don't think it would be too
>> difficult to update HitCounters to run under 1.30.
>>
>> What state the extension is outside of the basic compatibility changes I
>> don't know. I think it was removed from core over general performance  and
>> accuracy concerns.
>>
>> I'll try to remember to have a look this week.
>>
>> -- Lewis Cawte
>>
>> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 19:30 Stephan Gambke,  wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I am very much with Lewis on this: Using outdated MW versions poses
>> > significant security risks.
>> >
>> > That said, there is to my knowledge no one download package containing
>> > more than one skin. In fact, in the case of Chameleon there is no drop-in
>> > download package at all. You need to use Composer for installation. On
>> the
>> > upside, it is compatible with MW 1.22 or higher. See installation
>> > instructions here:
>> > https://github.com/cmln/chameleon/blob/master/docs/installation.md
>> >
>> > You could also download old skin versions from Github, e.g. for Monobook
>> > go to
>> > https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-MonoBook , select the
>> > REL1_24 branch and download the ZIP.
>> >
>> > Of course, if you think that hitcounters are worth having, consider
>> giving
>> > that unmaintained extension some love and making it compatible with
>> modern
>> > MW. Others will thank you for it.
>> >
>> > Stephan
>> >
>> >
>> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> >
>> > On May 27, 2018 5:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com
>> > >
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
>> > > >
>> > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
>> > >
>> > > I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
>> > >
>> > > worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible
>> skin.
>> > >
>> > > > The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
>> > skins
>> > > >
>> > > > although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
>> > > >
>> > > > repositories.
>> > >
>> > > Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some
>> > of
>> > >
>> > > the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just
>> need
>> > to
>> > >
>> > > get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
>> > work
>> > >
>> > > with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple
>> skins
>> > >
>> > > would probably do for starters.
>> > >
>> > > > Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old
>> > unsupported
>> > > >
>> > > > version of MediaWiki?
>> > >
>> > > Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
>> > >
>> > > "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply
>> leave
>> > it
>> > >
>> > > in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
>> > >
>> > > get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
>> > >
>> > > indication of what pages were actually read by people.
>> > >
>> > > > Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
>> > campsite.
>> > > >
>> > > > Sure! Thanks for your time!
>> > >
>> > > I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
>> > >
>> > > A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
>> > like
>> > >
>> > > the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get
>> > to
>> > >
>> > > use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be
>> fairly
>> > >
>> > > simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
>> > >
>> > > -- Lewis

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-27 Thread David Gerard 
I remember stats.grok.se with fondness - as I understand it, that checked
the raw Squid logs and tallied up the page hits.

I see we use the "pageviews" tool now - how available is that, and would it
be usable outside tools.wmflabs.org?


- d.

On 27 May 2018 at 19:36, Lewis Cawte  wrote:

> I'm not too familiar with the code but I don't think it would be too
> difficult to update HitCounters to run under 1.30.
>
> What state the extension is outside of the basic compatibility changes I
> don't know. I think it was removed from core over general performance  and
> accuracy concerns.
>
> I'll try to remember to have a look this week.
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
>
> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 19:30 Stephan Gambke,  wrote:
>
> >
> > I am very much with Lewis on this: Using outdated MW versions poses
> > significant security risks.
> >
> > That said, there is to my knowledge no one download package containing
> > more than one skin. In fact, in the case of Chameleon there is no drop-in
> > download package at all. You need to use Composer for installation. On
> the
> > upside, it is compatible with MW 1.22 or higher. See installation
> > instructions here:
> > https://github.com/cmln/chameleon/blob/master/docs/installation.md
> >
> > You could also download old skin versions from Github, e.g. for Monobook
> > go to
> > https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-MonoBook , select the
> > REL1_24 branch and download the ZIP.
> >
> > Of course, if you think that hitcounters are worth having, consider
> giving
> > that unmaintained extension some love and making it compatible with
> modern
> > MW. Others will thank you for it.
> >
> > Stephan
> >
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> >
> > On May 27, 2018 5:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg 
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
> > > >
> > > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
> > >
> > > I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
> > >
> > > worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible
> skin.
> > >
> > > > The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
> > skins
> > > >
> > > > although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
> > > >
> > > > repositories.
> > >
> > > Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some
> > of
> > >
> > > the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just
> need
> > to
> > >
> > > get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
> > work
> > >
> > > with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple
> skins
> > >
> > > would probably do for starters.
> > >
> > > > Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old
> > unsupported
> > > >
> > > > version of MediaWiki?
> > >
> > > Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
> > >
> > > "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply
> leave
> > it
> > >
> > > in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
> > >
> > > get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
> > >
> > > indication of what pages were actually read by people.
> > >
> > > > Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
> > campsite.
> > > >
> > > > Sure! Thanks for your time!
> > >
> > > I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
> > >
> > > A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
> > like
> > >
> > > the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get
> > to
> > >
> > > use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be
> fairly
> > >
> > > simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
> > >
> > > -- Lewis Cawte
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg,
> mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage,
> > if it
> > > > >
> > > > > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by
> > which
> > > > >
> > > > > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of
> > time, and
> > > > >
> > > > > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things,
> > and I
> > > > >
> > > > > simply love the template functionality too.
> > > > >
> > > > > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the
> > "pageviews"
> > > > >
> > > > > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25
> > onward,
> > > > >
> > > > > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version
> > with
> > > > >
> > > > > this functionality, because no skins were

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-27 Thread Lewis Cawte 
I'm not too familiar with the code but I don't think it would be too
difficult to update HitCounters to run under 1.30.

What state the extension is outside of the basic compatibility changes I
don't know. I think it was removed from core over general performance  and
accuracy concerns.

I'll try to remember to have a look this week.

-- Lewis Cawte

On Sun, 27 May 2018, 19:30 Stephan Gambke,  wrote:

>
> I am very much with Lewis on this: Using outdated MW versions poses
> significant security risks.
>
> That said, there is to my knowledge no one download package containing
> more than one skin. In fact, in the case of Chameleon there is no drop-in
> download package at all. You need to use Composer for installation. On the
> upside, it is compatible with MW 1.22 or higher. See installation
> instructions here:
> https://github.com/cmln/chameleon/blob/master/docs/installation.md
>
> You could also download old skin versions from Github, e.g. for Monobook
> go to
> https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-MonoBook , select the
> REL1_24 branch and download the ZIP.
>
> Of course, if you think that hitcounters are worth having, consider giving
> that unmaintained extension some love and making it compatible with modern
> MW. Others will thank you for it.
>
> Stephan
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>
> On May 27, 2018 5:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg 
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
> > >
> > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
> >
> > I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
> >
> > worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible skin.
> >
> > > The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of
> skins
> > >
> > > although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
> > >
> > > repositories.
> >
> > Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some
> of
> >
> > the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just need
> to
> >
> > get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to
> work
> >
> > with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple skins
> >
> > would probably do for starters.
> >
> > > Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old
> unsupported
> > >
> > > version of MediaWiki?
> >
> > Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
> >
> > "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply leave
> it
> >
> > in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
> >
> > get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
> >
> > indication of what pages were actually read by people.
> >
> > > Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a
> campsite.
> > >
> > > Sure! Thanks for your time!
> >
> > I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
> >
> > A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't
> like
> >
> > the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get
> to
> >
> > use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be fairly
> >
> > simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
> >
> > -- Lewis Cawte
> >
> > > On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage,
> if it
> > > >
> > > > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
> > > >
> > > > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by
> which
> > > >
> > > > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of
> time, and
> > > >
> > > > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things,
> and I
> > > >
> > > > simply love the template functionality too.
> > > >
> > > > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the
> "pageviews"
> > > >
> > > > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25
> onward,
> > > >
> > > > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version
> with
> > > >
> > > > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old
> version,
> > > >
> > > > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
> > > >
> > > > spending
> > > >
> > > > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can
> > > >
> > > > find
> > > >
> > > > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or
> the
> > > >
> > > > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> > > >
> > > > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if
> possible.
> > > >
> > > > I don't want to go all the way

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-27 Thread Stephan Gambke 

I am very much with Lewis on this: Using outdated MW versions poses significant 
security risks.

That said, there is to my knowledge no one download package containing more 
than one skin. In fact, in the case of Chameleon there is no drop-in download 
package at all. You need to use Composer for installation. On the upside, it is 
compatible with MW 1.22 or higher. See installation instructions here: 
https://github.com/cmln/chameleon/blob/master/docs/installation.md

You could also download old skin versions from Github, e.g. for Monobook go to
https://github.com/wikimedia/mediawiki-skins-MonoBook , select the REL1_24 
branch and download the ZIP.

Of course, if you think that hitcounters are worth having, consider giving that 
unmaintained extension some love and making it compatible with modern MW. 
Others will thank you for it.

Stephan


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐

On May 27, 2018 5:02 PM, Morten Blaabjerg  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte lewisca...@googlemail.com
>
> wrote:
>
> > Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
> >
> > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters
>
> I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
>
> worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible skin.
>
> > The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of skins
> >
> > although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
> >
> > repositories.
>
> Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some of
>
> the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just need to
>
> get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to work
>
> with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple skins
>
> would probably do for starters.
>
> > Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old unsupported
> >
> > version of MediaWiki?
>
> Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
>
> "special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply leave it
>
> in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
>
> get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
>
> indication of what pages were actually read by people.
>
> > Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a campsite.
> >
> > Sure! Thanks for your time!
>
> I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
>
> A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't like
>
> the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get to
>
> use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be fairly
>
> simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.
>
> -- Lewis Cawte
>
> > On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage, if it
> > >
> > > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
> > >
> > > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by which
> > >
> > > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time, and
> > >
> > > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things, and I
> > >
> > > simply love the template functionality too.
> > >
> > > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the "pageviews"
> > >
> > > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25 onward,
> > >
> > > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version with
> > >
> > > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old version,
> > >
> > > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
> > >
> > > spending
> > >
> > > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can
> > >
> > > find
> > >
> > > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
> > >
> > > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or the
> > >
> > > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> > >
> > > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if possible.
> > >
> > > I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just need
> > >
> > > the
> > >
> > > simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser,
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special
> > >
> > > page.
> > >
> > > What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the functionality
> > >
> > > removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
> > >
> > > extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
> > >
> > > build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
> > >
> > > This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no signups
> > >
> > > for anyone else, so I intend to

Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-27 Thread Nischay Nahata 
Hey,

You can try the GoogleAnalytics extension if you are looking to display
pageview count for every page.

https://mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GoogleAnalyticsMetrics

On Sun, May 27, 2018, 4:43 PM Morten Blaabjerg 
wrote:

> I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage, if it
> works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
>
> I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by which
> it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time, and
> it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things, and I
> simply love the template functionality too.
>
> However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the "pageviews"
> and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25 onward,
> and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version with
> this functionality, because no skins were included with the old version,
> and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite spending
> most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can find
> only skins compatible back to 1.27.
>
> I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or the
> other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if possible.
>
> I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just need the
> simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser, and
> the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special page.
>
> What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the functionality
> removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
> extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
> build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
>
> This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no signups
> for anyone else, so I intend to use raw html in wiki pages as well. So I
> would have no problem using a workaround - say putting some code in a
> template which is then in turn loaded in every page. But of course, it
> would be more easy to have it as part of the footer as it used to be.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help in guiding me in the right direction.
>
> Venlige hilsener,
>
> Morten Blaabjerg
> mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-27 Thread Morten Blaabjerg 
On Sun, May 27, 2018 at 1:47 PM, Lewis Cawte 
wrote:

> Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters

I found this, but is seems unsupported, and I would probably be just as
worse off with this as I would be with using 1.24 with a compatible skin.


> The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of skins
> although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
> repositories.
>
Would be great if I could just get a link to download a package of some of
the compatible skins. I'm going to hack them to pieces anyway, just need to
get the wiki up and running with a skin, which is not too difficult to work
with. Foreground, Chamaeleon, Tweeki or even some of the old simple skins
would probably do for starters.


> Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old unsupported
> version of MediaWiki?
>
Yes. The new version doesn't support "pageviews" and the
"special:popularpages" has been removed. Why they would not simply leave it
in to people to enable or disable it according to their tastes, I don't
get. I always thought it was quite useful for a small wiki to get an
indication of what pages were actually read by people.


> Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a campsite.
>
> Sure! Thanks for your time!

I am an old user/admin of MediaWiki from way back in the early days.
A lot has changed since then for MW - a lot to the better. But I don't like
the serious roadblocks that are in place for someone like me to not get to
use an earlier version of the software, if I so please. Should be fairly
simple to keep old skins around to get to, if one had the taste for it.

-- Lewis Cawte
>
> On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, 
> wrote:
>
> > I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage, if it
> > works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
> >
> > I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by which
> > it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time, and
> > it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things, and I
> > simply love the template functionality too.
> >
> > However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the "pageviews"
> > and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25 onward,
> > and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version with
> > this functionality, because no skins were included with the old version,
> > and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite
> spending
> > most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can
> find
> > only skins compatible back to 1.27.
> >
> > I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or the
> > other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> > functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if possible.
> >
> > I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just need
> the
> > simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser,
> and
> > the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special
> page.
> >
> > What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the functionality
> > removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
> > extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
> > build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
> >
> > This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no signups
> > for anyone else, so I intend to use raw html in wiki pages as well. So I
> > would have no problem using a workaround - say putting some code in a
> > template which is then in turn loaded in every page. But of course, it
> > would be more easy to have it as part of the footer as it used to be.
> >
> > Thanks in advance for any help in guiding me in the right direction.
> >
> > Venlige hilsener,
> >
> > Morten Blaabjerg
> > mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
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Re: [MediaWiki-l] Is it possible to re-introduce "pageviews" and "PopularPages" in MediaWiki (in any hackish way) - or go with an install of 1.24?

2018-05-27 Thread Lewis Cawte 
Never tried it but the functionality was moved into an extension,
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:HitCounters

The MediaWiki site probably will not distribute the old versions of skins
although they do exist in the old branches of their respective Git
repositories.

Is there any particular reason why you are using such an old unsupported
version of MediaWiki?

Sorry I can't be of more help at the moment - currently sat on a campsite.

-- Lewis Cawte

On Sun, 27 May 2018, 12:13 Morten Blaabjerg, 
wrote:

> I am building a proof of concept site, which will at a later stage, if it
> works the way I intend, be rebuilt from scratch and up.
>
> I wanted to use MediaWiki for this project, because of the speed by which
> it is possible to create a lot of articles in a short amount of time, and
> it has some cool statistics and special pages too to manage things, and I
> simply love the template functionality too.
>
> However, upon installing, I was surprised to learn, that the "pageviews"
> and "special:popularpages" was gone from the mediawiki from 1.25 onward,
> and I had great trouble installing 1.24 which was the last version with
> this functionality, because no skins were included with the old version,
> and I failed in finding compatible skins for this version, despite spending
> most of an evening online searching. On the official repository I can find
> only skins compatible back to 1.27.
>
> I would like to use a modern skin which is compatible with 1.24, or the
> other way around, re-introduce the "pageviews" and "popularpages"
> functionality into the current mw version, via an extension, if possible.
>
> I don't want to go all the way to install google analytics. I just need the
> simple indication of how many times a page was asked for by a browser, and
> the accumulative results shown in the "special:popularpages" special page.
>
> What is the best way to achieve that? I can understand the functionality
> removal was done with some dissent, so maybe someone already made an
> extension for this functionality, or would it be comparatively easy to
> build one by oneself (since the code already exists, I assume).
>
> This is for a small mediawiki project, with just 1 editor, and no signups
> for anyone else, so I intend to use raw html in wiki pages as well. So I
> would have no problem using a workaround - say putting some code in a
> template which is then in turn loaded in every page. But of course, it
> would be more easy to have it as part of the footer as it used to be.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help in guiding me in the right direction.
>
> Venlige hilsener,
>
> Morten Blaabjerg
> mortenblaabj...@gmail.com
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