Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Desert Rat]

My ML320 had one that was about one third the width.
John

On 6/26/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Luther Gulseth wrote:
> > Firestone is your problem, they're morons.  If the wheel looks the same
> > as  your other 4, it's real.   All you need to do is use a screwdriver
> > and pop  the hubcap center piece off and tap it onto the spare.  Drop
> > firestone and  find someone who knows what they're talking about.
> 
> FWIW, there are some NEW cars that have a spare wheel that looks
> basically the same as the others, but is actually a temporary spare.
> Some Jeeps with externally-mounted spares fall into this category.  The
> spare wheel is lighter and presumably cheaper.
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Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[David Brodbeck]

Luther Gulseth wrote:
> Firestone is your problem, they're morons.  If the wheel looks the same
> as  your other 4, it's real.   All you need to do is use a screwdriver
> and pop  the hubcap center piece off and tap it onto the spare.  Drop
> firestone and  find someone who knows what they're talking about.

FWIW, there are some NEW cars that have a spare wheel that looks
basically the same as the others, but is actually a temporary spare.
Some Jeeps with externally-mounted spares fall into this category.  The
spare wheel is lighter and presumably cheaper.

RE: [MBZ] Red 83 wagon on ebay

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr.]

Well the tires have been blackened and the paint job screams Maaco,
IMHO.
Dwight

Dwight Giles, Jr.
1979 240D auto, 243K+  miles
Wickford RI
 

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Subject: [MBZ] Red 83 wagon on ebay

What is up with this one?


looks bizzarre to me.
melissa
1984 300D turbo

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Re: [MBZ] WOW! (was diesel fuel expedient alternatives/ hydraulicvsbrake fluid)

[David Brodbeck]

Christopher McCann wrote:
> THanks. Dumb question - what is Avgas? Aviation
> gasoline?

Yup.

Re: [MBZ] air cleaner mounting apparatus...

[Andrew Cunningham]

Are you saying that the air cleaner mounting apparatus on the 617
engine in your car is stupider than the air cleaner mounting apparatus
on the 617 engine in his car?

Andy

On 6/26/05, Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Christopher said
> 
> My concern isn't performance but
> the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126
> air cleaner mounting apparatus.
> 
> I would say that the 123 air cleaner mounting apparatus would be a close
> competitor for the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB...
> 
> Royce Engler
> 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 18:17:20 -0400 David Bruckmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> UNLESS they mean that your spare is a steel rim, not alloy. But then 
> you'd have BIG problems when you need to use it, since the alloy 
> bolts are longer and will INTERFERE with the hub!

Our 240D/3.0 has a full-sized tire on a steel rim for a spare. I have an
extra set of shorter lug bolts for when I need to fit the spare because
the longer lug bolts needed for the alloy rims will snag on the parking
brake mechanism if you use them with the steel rim.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] 616 valve cover torque

[Marshall Booth]

OK Don wrote:

What is the torque for the valve cover nuts on a 616 engine? I finally
have a torque wrench with the proper range, and now can't find the
spec! I set them to 7Nm for the time being.


15 Nm for OM61x engines, 10 Nm for OM60x.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[David Bruckmann]

UNLESS they mean that your spare is a steel rim, not alloy. But then 
you'd have BIG problems when you need to use it, since the alloy 
bolts are longer and will INTERFERE with the hub!


D.


Christopher McCann wrote:


 FIRESTONE (this could be the problem) told me that my
 85 300SD spare was a full sized wheel that looked
 real, but was not a REAL WHEEL/TIRE, should not be
 rotated with the others or used as a REAL tire.

 Someone explain this.

[MBZ] 616 valve cover torque

[OK Don]

What is the torque for the valve cover nuts on a 616 engine? I finally
have a torque wrench with the proper range, and now can't find the
spec! I set them to 7Nm for the time being.

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Norman, OK 
'87 300SDL
'81 240D
'78 450SLC

[MBZ] '82 300CD sunroof not working

[Luther Gulseth]

The sunroof on my CD is inop.  The motor is turning, but when it turns the  
gear mechanism, the roof won't operate.  You can open and close it  
manually with a screwdriver.  Is the gear box bad?  I tried to take the  
box off, but couldn't figure out how to remove the cable from it.  Any  
help will be much appreciated.  Tnx all.

Luther

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'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD Slate grey, black MBTex, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] Cd manual disc names

[Jeff Zedic]

CDMBPU1 and CDMBPU2 and they MUST be in capitals!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Red 83 wagon on ebay

[Desert Rat]

It's a gray market MB. Steel wheels with wheel covers, manual A/C and
no power back windows. VIN number is Euro.

John

On 6/26/05, Melissa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is up with this one?
> 
> 
> looks bizzarre to me.
> melissa
> 1984 300D turbo
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[MBZ] Red 83 wagon on ebay

[Melissa]

What is up with this one?


looks bizzarre to me.
melissa
1984 300D turbo

[MBZ] Cd manual disc names

[Bob DuPuy]

I've got the iso files saved for the two disc set. I remember there
being something important about the name of the disc before you burn
it. Does anyone have a clue what I'm talking about? What are the
correct names?

TIA
Bob DuPuy
Parrish, Fl

Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car

[Marshall Booth]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7981938573&rd=1 

Want to check out how much power you can gain with that poor excuse for 
 an air filter? Remove the stock air filter and make some 0-60 mph 
acceleration runs. Put in a NEW stock filter and do the same. If you 
pick up even 0.1 sec I'd be surprised. I have NEVER done even that well. 
The filter that's being sold on e-bay CAN'T air intake resistance more 
than NO filter and will result in poorer filtering if there is ANY 
reduction in airflow resistance!


Marshall

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Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

a "real spare"...

FIRESTONE (this could be the problem) told me that my
85 300SD spare was a full sized wheel that looked
real, but was not a REAL WHEEL/TIRE, should not be
rotated with the others or used as a REAL tire.

Someone explain this.

What about my 76 240D is the "spare" on it a REAL
SPARE or a REAL WHEEL AND REAL TIRE?


The spare on you 240D OR 300SD were identical to the other wheels/tires 
on the cars when they left the factory! There would NOTHING wrong with 
rotating your "spare" wheel/tire with the other tires - PROVIDING:


 It is about the same age, (tires more than 6-8 years old no langer 
meet any rated standard)


 It is the same model tire,

 It has about the same degree of tread wear as the other tire on the 
same axle,


 It has not been seriously damaged and repaired (once a tire has been 
patched there is NO way to rate it's safety)


I have an original spare on my '87 300TD (that has been on the road for 
maybe 25-50 miles in 18 years). It is NOT safe to drive that tire at 
highway speeds, but I can use it to CAREFULLY get me to somewhere and 
get a flat repaired or to buy a new tire!


Marshall
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Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] how much gas can you run in a 617 (er lots)

[Andrew Cunningham]

Since the 617 IP is lubed with engine oil, where does the lubricity of
the fuel impact it?  If there is any concern, wouldn't adding a
percent or two of Biodiesel take care of the lubricity needs?

Andy

On 6/26/05, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The only two problems with using gasoline in the diesel are serious lack of
> lubrication in the injection pump and low BTU form the low density.
> 
> It will not damage the internals as it burns pretty much like diesel fuel when
> actually injected.  However, the lower viscosity, aside from causing damage to
> pump and injectors from lack of lubrication, also results in injection failure
> from leaking inside the pump.  You get late, sloppy injection accompanied by
> smoke, knock, low power, and rough running.
> 
> A large amount of gasoline can also free up deposits in the tank (it often
> holds more water than diesel fuel) and clog filters and screens.
> 
> Many of the newer deisels simply refuse to run if filled with that much
> gasoline.
> 
> Peter
> 
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Re: [MBZ] F-Soot Question

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Frederick wrote:
Delvac 1 will safely hold 0.4% soot (not 4%). 


WRONG 4+% CG-4 was rated about 3.8%, last time I checked CH-4 was 4.2 or 
4.3% and I don't know what CI-4 is rated at. That's when the viscosity 
of the oil is sufficiently degraded to require that it be changed 
(according to several different standards - none applicable to Mercedes 
autodiesels). Wear however can become excessive before viscosity reaches 
the limit(s) that API has set. Mercedes has limited soot levels to ~2% 
or less. Many other manufacturers permit 3-4%.



It meets all MB
requirements.  


Actually Delvac 1 meets the 228.5 Mercedes specification - fine for 
OLDER autodiesels and some of the BIG rigs Mercedes makes/sells. It does 
NOT meet the 229.x series specifications for automobile engines 
(although it can PROBABLY be used in the just fine). It is suitable for 
use in engines that require CF rated oil (all Mercedes autodiesels at 
least thru the early '90s)



Soot holding capacity is a characteristic of the oil
formulation, and Mobil 1 will not safely hold as much.


Mobil 1 holds as much soot (more than 2%) as Mercedes stipulates is safe 
to run in a Mercedes autodiesel engine - hard to tell precisely as the 
API CF standard does NOT include any soot handling capacity measurement. 
I understand that the CF-4 standard DOES have a soot handing 
measurement, but Mercedes oil change intervals remain the same whether 
the oil has an API CF, CF-4, CG-4, CH-4 or CI-4 rating. Mercedes 
suggests selecting/buying oil based on API rating ONLY in an emergency 
when ACEA or Mercedes 228/229 rated oil is NOT available and then 
changing to an ACEA or Mercedes rated oil as soon as it's practical.


What happens is, I believe, that the soot particles become large enough
to cause damage by abrasion of engine parts above the maximum rating.  


Soot particles don't grow (they MAY clump if the oil doesn't promote 
dispersion) and they vary from large to small - very large ones are 
filtered out - small ones are held in suspension and removed when the 
oil is changed. It MUST be changed before it exceeds the limit set by 
Mercedes or wear WILL increase unacceptably. Some other engine makers 
filter out soot - Mercedes removes soot by changing the oil before the 
soot levels exceed 2%.



If
you are using mineral base oils rather than synthetic, 0.2$ is probably
the upper limit due to the poorer ability of mineral based oil to suspend
soot.


Actually untreated dino oils will hold MORE soot than most untreated 
synthetics (all else being equal) and it was a challenge for synthetics 
to be formulated to even equal the performance of dino oils. The major 
benefit of synthetic is NOT it's ability to suspend soot, but it's much 
less steep temperature/viscosity characteristic, increased film strength 
and greater resistance to shear.


Changing at 0.3% is a safe bet.

0.3% soot would be entirely safe, but would waste a LOT of good oil (and 
you'd be changing oil about every thousand miles). If you started by 
changing the oil at 2% soot, then in order to change it again at 0.3% 
you'd need to change it as soon as you put the fresh oil in and mixed it 
throughly with the old oil, as the ~ liter of 2% sooty oil that remained 
in the engine when mixed with about 6 liters of fresh oil would yield 
soot at the 0.29% level!



What kind of milage between changes are you getting?


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RE: [MBZ] air cleaner mounting apparatus...

[Royce Engler]

Christopher said

My concern isn't performance but
the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126
air cleaner mounting apparatus.

I would say that the 123 air cleaner mounting apparatus would be a close
competitor for the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB...

Royce Engler
1985 300TD Turbo 265K

Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 SD Climate Control Help Needed.

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 6/26/2005 8:31:02 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Is there  any info out there on bypassing all the vacuum controls and 
wiring the  heater fan directly?  My climate control valve is shot, they 
are way  too expensive to replace for this beast, and the AC compressor 
is shot, so  all I want is a way to turn the darn fan on and off.  Right 
now the  only switch working on the control panel is the defrost.  My 
mechanic  bypassed the control valve, and gave me a vise grip to clamp 
the heater  hose shut, so the solution does not have to be  elegant.



As Mac says, the default (no vacuum anywhere) is defrost so air will  ONLY 
come out of the windshield vents if the blower is running.   Remove the glove 
box and you will see two vacuum operated switches on the right  side.  One 
turns 
on the  AC compressor, the other is for the  fan.   You can unplug the 
connector for the fan and put a heavy jumper  in the connector.  That will get 
you 
whatever fan speed your servo has  stalled at.  or you could run 12 volts from 
the battery and  connect  it directly to the fan plug for higher speed.  
 
Regards.  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 136 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Luther Gulseth]

Firestone is your problem, they're morons.  If the wheel looks the same as  
your other 4, it's real.   All you need to do is use a screwdriver and pop  
the hubcap center piece off and tap it onto the spare.  Drop firestone and  
find someone who knows what they're talking about.


On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 10:19:52 -0700 (PDT), Christopher McCann  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



a "real spare"...

what is that, exactly? My friend's 64 Olds JetStar 88
has as a "spare" a real fifth wheel - you rotate it
with the others, etc. A real wheel with real tire.

FIRESTONE (this could be the problem) told me that my
85 300SD spare was a full sized wheel that looked
real, but was not a REAL WHEEL/TIRE, should not be
rotated with the others or used as a REAL tire.

Someone explain this.

What about my 76 240D is the "spare" on it a REAL
SPARE or a REAL WHEEL AND REAL TIRE?

THANKS!!

Christopher

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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD Slate grey, black MBTex, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

K&N type filter with no visable signs of filter oil, kind of like the rest 
of that crappy cared for engine.

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> 
> 
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> 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] anybody need a camper?

[Don & Teresa Merriman]

Parts are probably rare

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> 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car

[Rich Thomas]

"Oh, and it sounds very good too.  "

Bet it gives that diesel the throaty roar one associates with a 
high-performance race car!  I wonder if he also sells the coffee can 
exhaust to add that great sound to the other end too?


--R

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

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RE: [MBZ] I wouldn't put this crap on my car

[Christopher McCann]

That's what I was afraid of, which is why I asked
about damage. 

Well, my filter braket/rubber hickeys haven't broken
since I "reinforced" the situation...but I would love
to see a total redesign...but not at the expense of
engine life.

THanks

Christopher

--- "Gerald R. Flintrop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Christopher,
> 
> Pls pardon my jumping in, but the pictured air
> filter may well be limited to
> only stopping twigs and small birds from entering
> the engine's air stream.
> The dust it passes will almost surely increase
> abrasive wear and tear.
> 
> Jerry (just my 2 cents worth)
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
> Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:13 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car
> 
> Kaleb,
> 
> We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall
> said that since the engine AS IS operates with an
> abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase
> performance.
> 
> But I have been wondering if there is anyway it
> could
> HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter
> mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing
> from
> breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance
> but
> the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126
> air cleaner mounting apparatus.
> 
> Thoughts?
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> 
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-1985 300SD, 206K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle)
-1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"

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Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[OK Don]

I've never heard of an MB "fake spare wheel". Compare the part numbers
cast in the inside of the spare wheel and one on the road. - yes,
you'll have to pull a wheel to do this, but you'll answer the question
once and for all.

On 6/26/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> a "real spare"...
> 
> what is that, exactly? My friend's 64 Olds JetStar 88
> has as a "spare" a real fifth wheel - you rotate it
> with the others, etc. A real wheel with real tire.
> 
> FIRESTONE (this could be the problem) told me that my
> 85 300SD spare was a full sized wheel that looked
> real, but was not a REAL WHEEL/TIRE, should not be
> rotated with the others or used as a REAL tire.
> 
> Someone explain this.
> 
> What about my 76 240D is the "spare" on it a REAL
> SPARE or a REAL WHEEL AND REAL TIRE?
> 
> THANKS!!
> 
> Christopher
> 
> 
> --- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > its just the cheap way to go. I dont know about
> > those, but on GM cars
> > you are only supposed to go 45 on them and only for
> > a few miles.  The
> > great thing about MB is they always had a real
> > spare.
> >
> > Tom Hargrave wrote:
> >
> > > What's wrong with a donut spare? My Porsche has
> > one and I used it about a
> > > month ago. Worked great.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Tom Hargrave
> > > 256-656-1924
> > > http://stores.ebay.com/Tom-Hargrave-Sales
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:37 AM
> > > To: Mercedes mailing list
> > > Subject: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66474&item
> > > =7982841471&rd=1
> > >
> > > Is this correct?  If so surely MB doenst use
> > donuts for spares now instad of
> > > real wheels.
> 
> 
> Christopher McCann
> 1985 300SD, 206K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
> 1976 240D, ManyK miles, "Siegfried"/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform
> 1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
> Raytown, Missouri
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'81 240D
'78 450SLC

Re: [MBZ] fuel return lines kep splitting

[Henry Kolesnik]

You have some bad tubing or wrong size or both.
Hank
- Original Message - 
From: "eric peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 11:14 AM
Subject: [MBZ] fuel return lines kep splitting



Anybody have any ideas on getting return lines on
without them splitting?  I replaced all the return
lines and i have 1 that continues to split the end. 
Its fine when I put it on but within a day it its

split and leaking.  So I cut enough off the end so its
way past the split and reinstalled and again within a
day it is split again.  Have repeated this again yes
it has split 3 times now.  Right now I have just a
plain rubber hose which I just put in because I can't
get the braided hose til tomorrow.  Do I need to put
some kind of clamp on it to help keep it from
splitting or do I just have a bad piece of hose?

Eric
85 300CD 81K

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Re: [MBZ] fuel return lines kep splitting

[Marshall Booth]

eric peterson wrote:

Anybody have any ideas on getting return lines on
without them splitting?  I replaced all the return
lines and i have 1 that continues to split the end. 
Its fine when I put it on but within a day it its

split and leaking.  So I cut enough off the end so its
way past the split and reinstalled and again within a
day it is split again.  Have repeated this again yes
it has split 3 times now.  Right now I have just a
plain rubber hose which I just put in because I can't
get the braided hose til tomorrow.  Do I need to put
some kind of clamp on it to help keep it from
splitting or do I just have a bad piece of hose?


When I use fresh, good quality European (VW or Mercedes) return line 
(NOT return line made in the US) I have rarely had any trouble with them 
splitting. You MUST use the cloth covered return line hose designed 
especial;ly fopr THAT purpose for reliable service. The hose has a shelf 
life as well as a service life of about 10 years although it will fail 
sooner if it's removed/replaced more than once or twice or is disturbed 
near the end of it's ~10 life. If the nipple on the injector has be 
damaged (has a burr or gouge) you may have problems. Most often when 
that happens you will need to replace the injector or at least the 
injector body. No clamps are required nor should any be used.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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RE: [MBZ] I wouldn't put this crap on my car

[Gerald R. Flintrop]

Christopher,

Pls pardon my jumping in, but the pictured air filter may well be limited to
only stopping twigs and small birds from entering the engine's air stream.
The dust it passes will almost surely increase abrasive wear and tear.

Jerry (just my 2 cents worth)


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On Behalf Of Christopher McCann
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 10:13 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car

Kaleb,

We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall
said that since the engine AS IS operates with an
abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase
performance.

But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could
HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter
mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from
breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but
the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126
air cleaner mounting apparatus.

Thoughts?

Christopher

Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Christopher McCann]

a "real spare"...

what is that, exactly? My friend's 64 Olds JetStar 88
has as a "spare" a real fifth wheel - you rotate it
with the others, etc. A real wheel with real tire.

FIRESTONE (this could be the problem) told me that my
85 300SD spare was a full sized wheel that looked
real, but was not a REAL WHEEL/TIRE, should not be
rotated with the others or used as a REAL tire.

Someone explain this.

What about my 76 240D is the "spare" on it a REAL
SPARE or a REAL WHEEL AND REAL TIRE?

THANKS!!

Christopher


--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> its just the cheap way to go. I dont know about
> those, but on GM cars 
> you are only supposed to go 45 on them and only for
> a few miles.  The 
> great thing about MB is they always had a real
> spare.
> 
> Tom Hargrave wrote:
> 
> > What's wrong with a donut spare? My Porsche has
> one and I used it about a
> > month ago. Worked great. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Tom Hargrave
> > 256-656-1924
> > http://stores.ebay.com/Tom-Hargrave-Sales 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
> > Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:37 AM
> > To: Mercedes mailing list
> > Subject: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?
> > 
> >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66474&item
> > =7982841471&rd=1
> > 
> > Is this correct?  If so surely MB doenst use
> donuts for spares now instad of
> > real wheels.


Christopher McCann
1985 300SD, 206K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
1976 240D, ManyK miles, "Siegfried"/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform
1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
Raytown, Missouri

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Re: [MBZ] fuel return lines kep splitting

[Peter Frederick]

Eric:

There is probably a chunk of old line on that fitting, hidden where you
cannot see it.  That rubber can get rock hard with age -- the overflow
lines on my brother's SDL snapped off they were so hard, and it took
quite a while to get all the stuck on bits off the nipples.

That chip of old rubber line on there will split the new line like a
knife.

Clean the offending nipple completely, and I think your line will stop
splitting on installation.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car

[Christopher McCann]

Kaleb,

We had a thread on this about 6 months ago. Marshall
said that since the engine AS IS operates with an
abundance of air, there is NO WAY it can increase
performance.

But I have been wondering if there is anyway it could
HARM the engine. I am tired of breaking air filter
mounts, of making do-dads to keep the damn thing from
breaking again, etc. My concern isn't performance but
the stupidest thing ever to come out of MB: the 126
air cleaner mounting apparatus.

Thoughts?

Christopher


--- "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38634&item=7981938573&rd=1



Christopher McCann
1985 300SD, 206K miles, "Wulf" http://don.homelinux.net/mbz/Chris
1976 240D, ManyK miles, "Siegfried"/AFTP: Alternative Fuels Test Platform
1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, "The Van"
Raytown, Missouri

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Re: [MBZ] 1980 300 SD Climate Control Help Needed.

[Steve MacSween]

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Is there any info out there on bypassing all the vacuum controls and
> wiring the heater fan directly?

The system is designed to run in defrost-only when it has a major component
failure, so that is why you are stuck on defrost. If you do wire up the fan
directly somehow, you still won't be able to redirect air through the foot
vents.

First off, I would recommend that you not try to mess with the control unit
on the dash (the switch panel, etc.). If you want to wire up to the fan, do
it directly, and the good news is that on the 116 it isn't particularly hard
to get to the fan. It's behind the glove compartment.

Mac
Aylmer, Quebec
'60 Mercedes 220s / '85 Mercedes 300sd
'75 Volvo 164e / '88 Volvo 245

Re: [MBZ] F-Soot Question

[Peter Frederick]

Delvac 1 will safely hold 0.4% soot (not 4%).  It meets all MB
requirements.  Soot holding capacity is a characteristic of the oil
formulation, and Mobil 1 will not safely hold as much.

What happens is, I believe, that the soot particles become large enough
to cause damage by abrasion of engine parts above the maximum rating.  If
you are using mineral base oils rather than synthetic, 0.2$ is probably
the upper limit due to the poorer ability of mineral based oil to suspend
soot.

Changing at 0.3% is a safe bet.

What kind of milage between changes are you getting?

Peter

Re: [MBZ] how much gas can you run in a 617 (er lots)

[Peter Frederick]

The only two problems with using gasoline in the diesel are serious lack of
lubrication in the injection pump and low BTU form the low density.

It will not damage the internals as it burns pretty much like diesel fuel when
actually injected.  However, the lower viscosity, aside from causing damage to
pump and injectors from lack of lubrication, also results in injection failure
from leaking inside the pump.  You get late, sloppy injection accompanied by
smoke, knock, low power, and rough running.

A large amount of gasoline can also free up deposits in the tank (it often
holds more water than diesel fuel) and clog filters and screens.

Many of the newer deisels simply refuse to run if filled with that much
gasoline.

Peter

[MBZ] fuel return lines kep splitting

[eric peterson]

Anybody have any ideas on getting return lines on
without them splitting?  I replaced all the return
lines and i have 1 that continues to split the end. 
Its fine when I put it on but within a day it its
split and leaking.  So I cut enough off the end so its
way past the split and reinstalled and again within a
day it is split again.  Have repeated this again yes
it has split 3 times now.  Right now I have just a
plain rubber hose which I just put in because I can't
get the braided hose til tomorrow.  Do I need to put
some kind of clamp on it to help keep it from
splitting or do I just have a bad piece of hose?

Eric
85 300CD 81K

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Re: [MBZ] anybody need a camper?

[JJJ]

that carpet could be in a cheech and chong movie...

Re: [MBZ] anybody need a camper?

[Rory Sena]

Whats with the carpet? Yuck!!

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> 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] 1980 300 SD Climate Control Help Needed.

[Kevin Beswick]

Is there any info out there on bypassing all the vacuum controls and 
wiring the heater fan directly?  My climate control valve is shot, they 
are way too expensive to replace for this beast, and the AC compressor 
is shot, so all I want is a way to turn the darn fan on and off.  Right 
now the only switch working on the control panel is the defrost.  My 
mechanic bypassed the control valve, and gave me a vise grip to clamp 
the heater hose shut, so the solution does not have to be elegant.

Re: [MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed

[Henry Kolesnik]

Sounds like you have a shorted plug or wire.  Is it very easy to disconnect 
the plugs?  If it is, then diconnect 1/2 to see which group the bad plug is 
in.

Good luck
Hank
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To: "Mercedes mailing list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:01 AM
Subject: [MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed


This is the 2nd time in a few days when the wife went out to start her SDL 
and it wouldnt.  Battery was low enough not to turn over very fast. 1st 
time put jumper pack on it and it fired up.  This time, but charger on it 
and it cranked fine but didnt want to start, acted like only 1 or 2 glow 
plugs were working.  Mean time, jury rigging wire for the fuse glows red 
hot while cranking.  I dont think the glow plugs and battery draining are 
related, I dont think, anyways.  Maybe I should just pull the manifold and 
replace all the glow plugs.

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 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] I wouldnt put this crap on my car

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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Re: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

its just the cheap way to go. I dont know about those, but on GM cars 
you are only supposed to go 45 on them and only for a few miles.  The 
great thing about MB is they always had a real spare.


Tom Hargrave wrote:


What's wrong with a donut spare? My Porsche has one and I used it about a
month ago. Worked great. 



Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
http://stores.ebay.com/Tom-Hargrave-Sales 
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:37 AM
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Subject: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66474&item
=7982841471&rd=1

Is this correct?  If so surely MB doenst use donuts for spares now instad of
real wheels.
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RE: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Tom Hargrave]

What's wrong with a donut spare? My Porsche has one and I used it about a
month ago. Worked great. 


Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
http://stores.ebay.com/Tom-Hargrave-Sales 
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:37 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] surely this cant be true?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66474&item
=7982841471&rd=1

Is this correct?  If so surely MB doenst use donuts for spares now instad of
real wheels.
--
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  81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto
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[MBZ] anybody need a camper?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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[MBZ] surely this cant be true?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=66474&item=7982841471&rd=1

Is this correct?  If so surely MB doenst use donuts for spares now 
instad of real wheels.

--
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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,  81 300TD,
 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

Re: [MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, true.  I do, however, still have one or something shorted out, 
either on of the plugs or the wires


Tom Hargrave wrote:


Kaleb,
 
Your low battery may have contributed and here's why:


The glow plugs initially draw a lot of current, then they heat up and the
current draw drops off. The current drops off because the element resistance
climbs with temperature.

If your battery voltage were low enough to not let the glow plugs reach
operating temperature then they would continue to draw current at a higher
rate, but at a lower rate than what's needed for them to reach full
resistance.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
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Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:01 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed

This is the 2nd time in a few days when the wife went out to start her SDL
and it wouldnt.  Battery was low enough not to turn over very fast. 
  1st time put jumper pack on it and it fired up.  This time, but charger on

it and it cranked fine but didnt want to start, acted like only 1 or 2 glow
plugs were working.  Mean time, jury rigging wire for the fuse glows red hot
while cranking.  I dont think the glow plugs and battery draining are
related, I dont think, anyways.  Maybe I should just pull the manifold and
replace all the glow plugs.
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  81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto
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RE: [MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed

[Tom Hargrave]

Kaleb,
 
Your low battery may have contributed and here's why:

The glow plugs initially draw a lot of current, then they heat up and the
current draw drops off. The current drops off because the element resistance
climbs with temperature.

If your battery voltage were low enough to not let the glow plugs reach
operating temperature then they would continue to draw current at a higher
rate, but at a lower rate than what's needed for them to reach full
resistance.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
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On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 9:01 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list
Subject: [MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed

This is the 2nd time in a few days when the wife went out to start her SDL
and it wouldnt.  Battery was low enough not to turn over very fast. 
  1st time put jumper pack on it and it fired up.  This time, but charger on
it and it cranked fine but didnt want to start, acted like only 1 or 2 glow
plugs were working.  Mean time, jury rigging wire for the fuse glows red hot
while cranking.  I dont think the glow plugs and battery draining are
related, I dont think, anyways.  Maybe I should just pull the manifold and
replace all the glow plugs.
--
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  89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,  81 300TD,
  81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto
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[MBZ] I really need to get that glow plug short fixed

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

This is the 2nd time in a few days when the wife went out to start her 
SDL and it wouldnt.  Battery was low enough not to turn over very fast. 
 1st time put jumper pack on it and it fired up.  This time, but 
charger on it and it cranked fine but didnt want to start, acted like 
only 1 or 2 glow plugs were working.  Mean time, jury rigging wire for 
the fuse glows red hot while cranking.  I dont think the glow plugs and 
battery draining are related, I dont think, anyways.  Maybe I should 
just pull the manifold and replace all the glow plugs.

--
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 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,  81 300TD,
 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

Re: [MBZ] broken belt, W123

[David Bruckmann]

Bear in mind that the belts are supposed to be a matched set so that 
they both carry equal tension. Depending on your alternator setup and 
the amount of winter salt in your neighbourhood, the adjuster setup 
can be FUBAR. And yes, the damn alternator belt is BEHIND the others.


D.

Allan Streib wrote:


Heard a belt squealing yesterday, thought "I better replace that before
it breaks."  Today on the way home -- it broke.  AND it was the water
pump belt.  And, I never noticed, it looks like there are supposed to be
two belts on the water pump for redundancy, but alas on mine one was
already gone or had never been installed last time they were changed.
The other belts look pretty well used up also.

So now the car is parked at the mall, and I'm wondering if I can replace
the belts right there without a lot of hassle.  Ideally I'll show up
with new belts and a few wrenches, and change them out.  OTOH, that's
REALLY putting a dent in my plans for this weekend, and I have no real
desire to spend hours in 90 degree heat + humidity trying to change a
few belts.

Is there ANYTHING out of the ordinary about changing out the belts on a
W123?  I am within a few blocks of a national chain repair shop
(Firestone) so even without the water pump I could probably make it over
there.  Is there ANY reason to suspect that they might muff the job if I
take it there?  This particular shop does have a fairly good local
reputation.

OR I could get one of those "emergency" belts and try to get home on
that (about 10 miles from where the car is parked).  Anyone know if they
actually work?

Allan
--
1983 300D
1966 230

[MBZ] 1981 300SD Vacuum System Diagram Needed

[David J. Carter]

Kevin,
 
You should find the information you seek here.
http://www.peterschmid.com/   Look under vacuum schematics 1977 - 1985.
Remember that the plumbing on top of the valve cover is intended to
operate the EGR (exhaust gas recirculating) valve.  If your EGR valve is
not working (think BB) you might find it easier to plug the two lines
that go over there and forget the rest of that mess.  
 
David J. Carter
With 4 W123 diesels, without vacuum plumbing to the EGRs.  
 

Re: [MBZ] SD parts search/research

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7982946036&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1

chris granju wrote:

I may need for an '85 300SD

1. LR window motor
2. AC controller (the right name, I don't know?? )

Anyone got an SD parts car w/ these to spare?

Thanks
-chris



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[MBZ] 2005 MBCA-Toronto Concours d'Elegance

[TimothyPilgrim]

Well, looks like I'm the only one from the diesel list to attend, so
I'll grab some pix and post them later, especially of the diesels
present. Until then, here's a thread that includes pix from last
year's meet:

http://www.mbcanada.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=9152&st=0

The guy posting all those pix has a sweet ride himself - a 1984 W126C
(500SEC) with an AMG widebody kit. It makes me drool:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/546298/1

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

Re: [MBZ] Clearcoat magic

[Steve MacSween]

Well he was probably remembering the fact that it was one of THE best
running turbodiesels you would be likely to find, anywhere.

Had I known where prices were headed, at the time, I probably would have
fixed it. 

Mac

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thank you captain OBVIOUS
> 
> On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:07:35 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
>> that really sucked
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Clearcoat magic

[Luther Gulseth]

Thank you captain OBVIOUS

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 18:07:35 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



that really sucked



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Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running WVO/diesel mix)
'82 300CD Slate grey, black MBTex, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] 1981 300SD Vacuum System Diagram Needed

[Luther Gulseth]

try here.
http://www.peterschmid.com/1984_617.htm

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:29:52 -0400, Kevin Beswick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:


This is the '81 that I bought for my son.  The starting problem was the  
result of bad glow plugs.  Replaced those, and it starts fine.  The  
present problem is that every plastic or rubber hose is shot.  I've  
replaced all the fuel lines, but most of the vacuum lines fell off on  
their own, and I have no idea what they all go to so I can replace  
them.  Any ideas?


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'82 300CD Slate grey, black MBTex, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] OKC MB for sale -- KALEB --------

[Luther Gulseth]

Don, would you look at the $1300 one for me?  Dad might be interested in  
it.

Tnx, Luther

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 14:48:37 -0500, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Oklahoma city paper today - no association, etc.


1985 Mercedes 300TD 97800 miles. $6,000. Call 405-401-1562.
Published Saturday June 25, 2005


85 Mercedes 300TDT wagon Good cond. $1300. 405-476-0035.
Published Saturday June 25, 2005






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'82 300CD Slate grey, black MBTex, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes-Benz : 300-Series 300D 2.5

[Joe Knight]

Freshly installed epc I'm running is supposed to have ece datacards
but doesn't return one for this particular vin so I suppose there's at
least a chance that this car came stateside thru some other market..

joe

[MBZ] SD parts search/research

[chris granju]

I may need for an '85 300SD

1. LR window motor
2. AC controller (the right name, I don't know?? )

Anyone got an SD parts car w/ these to spare?

Thanks
-chris

Re: [MBZ] There's one born every minute/beautiful 85TD

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 6/24/2005 2:40:25 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Some  maroon actually did pay the $12.5k Buy It Now  price:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4556974801

It's  a W123, fer cryin' out loud... **shakes head**



Dave, and all,
 
What a beautiful car!  It's an 85 Wagon in yellow, reminds me of the  Car And 
Driver Boss Wagon.   I was thinking to get $4500 for my SD but  may have to 
raise the price into "exclusive" territory, for better action.
 
There was a 94 600SL, black on black, with ground effects kit, in the AZ  
Republic last week.  I think it was a pro football player that got  traded.  If 
I 
was going to spend 12K on a car I think I would step up to  the SL--every car 
enthusiast should own at least one V!2!
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 261 K miles 
98 ML 320, 136 K  miles

[MBZ] One born every minute

[Wilton Strickland]

'Paid $9700 last Aug for my absolutely showroom 87 300D (82 kmi).  Still
showrm @ 92 kmi.  No regrets.  BTW, I was born in Jun '34.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] OT Good Google stuff, general reference

[TimothyPilgrim]

I've found this website useful:

http://www.onlineconversion.com/fuel_consumption.htm

If you check out it's homepage, you'll also find convertors for just
about everything.

Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 6/25/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I'd like a copy - or point me to a download site.

Re: [MBZ] Re: [DIESEL] W123 manual

[Marshall Booth]

Christopher McCann wrote:

Did we ever get an answer to this question? I need a
manual for a W115 240D. A paper one would do fine too,
but can't seem to find one.


Have you tried Tarek's ftp site:


The user name is Diesel and the password is diesel. The host address is
telshena.dyndns.org. You can visit via web browser by going to
ftp://Diesel:[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Please make sure of the following: if you are using an FTP client software,
disable passive FTP transfers. If you are using a web browser such as IE,
make sure you have 'folder view enabled for FTP' sites checked and 'use
passive FTP' unchecked in the advanced tab of the internet options.


Marshall
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: [MBZ] 1986 Mercedes-Benz : 300-Series 300D 2.5

[Marshall Booth]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:



Marshall Booth wrote:

And probably does NOT have AC (would be a HORRIBLE job to add AC)!



But if it DOES have AC, it's probably a manual system, not ACC, right?  
I have spent hours (well, OK, minutes) wisfully contemplating the 
sections on HVAC in the British Haynes W124 book I have, which show a 
manual dual-dial system like in a 240D.




That's what my '85 190D has, the pair of heat control dials left and 
right, an air distribution dial between them and a manual slider AC 
control above it (does NOT monitor the cabin temp, only the evaporator 
temp). Uses the same Nippondenso compressor and KLIMA relay system that 
the ACC uses so is almost as expensive to repair. You don't have the 
cold/cracked solder joint problem that the push button controllers 
developed. I have NO idea how the fan speed in a 124 with manual AC is 
controlled! Getting diagrams of the manual AC circuitry is a challange. 
I'm still looking for one for my 190D.


Marshall
--
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Ass't Prof. (ret.)
Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
Department of Pharmacology  1300 BST
Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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Re: Clearcoat: Do we really need the stinkin' clearcoat? [was: Re: [MBZ] Clearcoat magic]

[Bill Gallagher]

The Paint supplier I talked with said the clear coat is to protect the 
paint  ( road chips) and most importantly add that depth to the paint 
color

You do not have to apply a clear coat .

Bill
1981
300 TD

Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:37:32 -0400 "chris granju"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Anyone here ever found a product to make really bad clearcoat failure
look at least...?well, at least better.  Seems a common MB issue to
have decent old paint all around but one spot (maybe hood, maybe the
roof) that's really bad with the clear coat failed.  I was curious if
anyone here had found some really good product for bringing some even
color & some shine back for cases like this.   Any products (other than
paint) come to mind?
   



The 1972 220D/8 I had had no clearcoat and even thirty years later it's
paint would shine up nicely.

So why do cars now have clearcoats?

Are the paints different, such that they would not shine up as well or
last as well?


Craig

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RE: [MBZ] There's one born every minute

[Karl Wittnebel]

Has anyone on this list bought the same car in the
advertised condition in the past 12 months for under
10K? I mean a car that looks like it's a year or two
old, not 20, and will attract attention wherever it
goes.

If you look at what it would cost to restore the body
of a well-used 300td to newish daily driver condition
you get up towards 5-6K pretty quickly in my neck of
the woods, if you want new metal and factory-level
paint. Add that to $3500 for the basic car and a grand
or three for various mechanicals and you are at 10K.
Hell, five years ago nice 300tds with 170K and
slightly dented-up bodies were selling for 8K around
here; hard to believe this one would be worth less
than 10 today.

Sure you can buy an old, well-used wagon for 5K or
less. But then you have an old, well-used car, not a
head turner. So come on, guys - put up or shut up -
who has bought a 1985 300tdt in excellent (i.e. likely
to win user's choice award at a meet, or one that a
Mercedes dealer would put in the showroom) condition
in the last 12 months? What did you pay? I want to
hear about it. Break out the camera and show us the
goods.

Karl
85 300td 126K

--- Royce Engler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Dave said
> 
> 
> Some maroon actually did pay the $12.5k Buy It Now
> price:
> 
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4556974801
> 
> It's a W123, fer cryin' out loud... **shakes head**
> 
> 
>   ...By maroon you must be referring to a graduate
> of Texas A&M University,
> also called Aggies.  Here in Texas, the words maroon
> and moron are pretty
> much interchangeable. 
> 
> Royce Engler
> 1985 300TD Turbo 265K
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Clearcoat: Do we really need the stinkin' clearcoat? [was: Re: [MBZ] Clearcoat magic]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 17:37:32 -0400 "chris granju"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Anyone here ever found a product to make really bad clearcoat failure
> look at least...?well, at least better.  Seems a common MB issue to
> have decent old paint all around but one spot (maybe hood, maybe the
> roof) that's really bad with the clear coat failed.  I was curious if
> anyone here had found some really good product for bringing some even
> color & some shine back for cases like this.   Any products (other than
> paint) come to mind?

The 1972 220D/8 I had had no clearcoat and even thirty years later it's
paint would shine up nicely.

So why do cars now have clearcoats?

Are the paints different, such that they would not shine up as well or
last as well?


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Clearcoat magic

[Bill Gallagher]

Some auto paint suppliers will mix paint/clear coat in spray bottles 
. ask them for a professional point of view .


Bill 1981
300 TD


chris granju wrote:


Anyone here ever found a product to make really bad clearcoat failure look
at least...?well, at least better.  Seems a common MB issue to have
decent old paint all around but one spot (maybe hood, maybe the roof) that's
really bad with the clear coat failed.  I was curious if anyone here had
found some really good product for bringing some even color & some shine
back for cases like this.   Any products (other than paint) come to mind?

Thanks
chris



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Re: [MBZ] 1981 300SD Vacuum System Diagram Needed

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 19:29:52 -0400 Kevin Beswick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> This is the '81 that I bought for my son.  The starting problem was the 
> result of bad glow plugs.  Replaced those, and it starts fine.  The 
> present problem is that every plastic or rubber hose is shot.  I've 
> replaced all the fuel lines, but most of the vacuum lines fell off on 
> their own, and I have no idea what they all go to so I can replace 
> them.  Any ideas?

IIRC, Performance Products has web pages that show the diagrams.


Craig