Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[Marshall Booth]

David Brodbeck wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:

David Brodbeck wrote:
  
General question about serp. belts -- is checking on the smooth side 
acceptable, as long as the ribbed side isn't cracked?  Or should I 
replace a belt that shows this kind of wear?

The ribbed side of the belt is clearly visible where it loops over the 
idler while where the belt loops over the PS pump pulley and then 
descends to the AC compressor, the ribbed surface is somewhat obscured.


If there are any threads dangling at the side or the side of the belt 
seems to be  frayed, I'd change the belt too.
  


I think you misunderstood my question, due to poor word choice on my 
part.  By "checking" I meant fine, shallow cracks that form a sort of 
irregular checked pattern on the surface.  On one of my cars I have a 
serpentine belt that has that kind of wear on the smooth side, but the 
ribbed side still looks good. I'm wondering if I should change it.


I've never seen that pattern on any of the 15-20+ belts I've had on my 
cars. If the belt seem pliable and supple I expect I'd go with it (but 
ALWAYS carry a spare belt). I change the belt whenever I do work on the 
tensioner (unless it's been very recently changed) and keep the best of 
the old belts as spares. These belts seldom fail without clear visible 
and audible warning well before they actually do fail, but you do need 
to pay attention. If the belt makes noise FIND OUT WHY and fix it!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[Desert Rat]

Unless the PO had to change engines.

On 5/26/06, John Peterson / ImmersionStudio LLC
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

But it is EASY to read if you have your original warranty booklet.  The
engine number is stamped on mine there (last page, old ibm card)



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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> 2nd -- where the H do I find the engine #?  I've looked all over but
> evidently not the right place.  As I mentioned - it;s a '91, W124 5 cyl
2.5
> Turbo.

The engine number is on the driver's side rear of the engine block, just
below the block head junction, behind the oil filter housing and under
the intake manifold - IMPOSSIBLE for a human to see without
disassembling the car.

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Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

[Sunil Hari]

i still maintain that the best course of action is that when your blower
motor goes, sell it to someone who doesn't need a fan and buy one with a
working blower motor.

MB lists the job as 18 hours labor, IIRC, to do it the Benz way.   If you go
the trans-speaker hole route, it can be cut down to 5-6 hours, BUT you end
up with banged-up knuckles and hands and lots of swearing.  The whole car
was built around the blower motor on the MB assembly line, so getting to it
is the bear.

I know of ONE man who paid my indy to replace the blower motor.  Took my guy
13 hours, but I -think- he gave him a deal (instead of NL rate of $70/hr).
The car was a 1974 240D, reed green with green MB-Tex interior, original
owner, Concours-grade.  And it was his wife's car, and she demanded it be
fixed.

Dropping ATF onto the shafts is the best known way to quiet noisy blower
bearings.  Dunno if it's prophylactic, though.

On 5/26/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



-Original Message-
I forgot that the blower in the w115 must be
a close kin to the evaporator and designed by the same fiendish
engineer.

OK, curiosity makes me ask, "how bad is this job" that I have heard vague
references to before? The blower in my
car seems to be fine at this time. Is there anything I can do to ensure
that it remains that way for the
foreseeable future? IE- drip some AT fluid onto the shafts at the end of
the motor as has been suggested elsewhere
on here for some other model. Can I get to it to do that?

Randy B




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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[John Peterson / ImmersionStudio LLC]

But it is EASY to read if you have your original warranty booklet.  The
engine number is stamped on mine there (last page, old ibm card)



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>
> 2nd -- where the H do I find the engine #?  I've looked all over but
> evidently not the right place.  As I mentioned - it;s a '91, W124 5 cyl
2.5
> Turbo.

The engine number is on the driver's side rear of the engine block, just
below the block head junction, behind the oil filter housing and under
the intake manifold - IMPOSSIBLE for a human to see without
disassembling the car.

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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[John Peterson / ImmersionStudio LLC]

As usual, Marshall calls the truth without even looking at the car.  An
inspection of my idler shock reveals that it is spoiled (spins around, can't
be tightened.)  It is the source of the sound.

I bought a shock and idler (to keep in the trunk with allen wrench) for
future.

Still haven't touched the wretched shutoff valve.  AS a test, I plugged in
the vacuum line to the new shutoff valve and watched from inside the car as
I turned the key "off."  The new valve closes all the way.  TIME to pull the
old one out?  Oh po.

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 79k


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Help!
> I rec'd my Bentley manual and noticed the warning about the tensioner
> becoming worn and out of alugnment - checked my '91 300D 2.5 this am and
> discovered 1/4" play.  I'm ordering all new stuff from Rusty - but I need
to
> know if it's safe to drive like this as I expect the parts won't arrive
> until next tuesday. -
>
> 2 questions -
> 1st  - Should I park it 'til I fix it? (my wife would drive it today, Sat
&
> Sun to work - 100 mi RT each day -  unless ya'll say it's too dangerous.)
>
> 2nd -- where the H do I find the engine #?  I've looked all over but
> evidently not the right place.  As I mentioned - it;s a '91, W124 5 cyl
2.5
> Turbo.

It is unlikely to fail until there is considerable noise from the area
(and you have driven it a lot and it hasn't failed YET), but if the
idler is more than a few degrees out of parallel with the length of belt
above it, I wouldn't be taking any long trips. Be sure you have a 12 mm
allen hex key/socket that will fit the lever. I'd also order new plastic
front covers for the idler and tensioner lever to keep dirt out.

In my experience, the belt/tensioner/shock/idler assembly require
attention about every 75kmi, but not every piece needs to be replaced
every time. The shock absorber seems to be the shortest lived element.
The original equipment ones seem to last about 75-80kmi while the
aftermarket ones seem to fail at more like half that interval (but they
cost less too).

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Re: [MBZ] 115 blower??

[R A Bennell]

-Original Message-
 I forgot that the blower in the w115 must be
a close kin to the evaporator and designed by the same fiendish
engineer.

OK, curiosity makes me ask, "how bad is this job" that I have heard vague 
references to before? The blower in my
car seems to be fine at this time. Is there anything I can do to ensure that it 
remains that way for the
foreseeable future? IE- drip some AT fluid onto the shafts at the end of the 
motor as has been suggested elsewhere
on here for some other model. Can I get to it to do that?

Randy B

Re: [MBZ] 126 A/C

[redghost]

Sorry Marshall, I did not even think to check the workshop manual.  I 
gave my w126 CD to somebody with that model and figured the job could 
not be all that involved.  I forgot that the blower in the w115 must be 
a close kin to the evaporator and designed by the same fiendish 
engineer.


On Friday, May 26, 2006, at 10:42 AM, Marshall Booth wrote:


redghost wrote:

Wasted most of the day at PnP trying to liberate the condenser in a 85
126.  Who thought that installation was a good idea?  I near killed
myself just trying to get the dash out.  Then we did battle with the
plastic body for the heater.  That really was a head scratcher.
Having already destroyed the car, I am sure the next one will be less
trouble.  I guess you just remove the whole blasted plastic body
housing with everything inside and call it good.


Did you read the instructions in the workshop manual 85-536 & 538 
FIRST?

There are about 20+ pages describing what needs to be done AFTER the
dash and center console are removed (that's another 10 pages).
Removing/replacing evaporators in 126/124/140 cars is NOT fun - takes
12-30 hours depending on level of skill and which chassis you attack.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[David Brodbeck]

Marshall Booth wrote:

David Brodbeck wrote:
  
General question about serp. belts -- is checking on the smooth side 
acceptable, as long as the ribbed side isn't cracked?  Or should I 
replace a belt that shows this kind of wear?



The ribbed side of the belt is clearly visible where it loops over the 
idler while where the belt loops over the PS pump pulley and then 
descends to the AC compressor, the ribbed surface is somewhat obscured.


If there are any threads dangling at the side or the side of the belt 
seems to be  frayed, I'd change the belt too.
  


I think you misunderstood my question, due to poor word choice on my 
part.  By "checking" I meant fine, shallow cracks that form a sort of 
irregular checked pattern on the surface.  On one of my cars I have a 
serpentine belt that has that kind of wear on the smooth side, but the 
ribbed side still looks good. I'm wondering if I should change it.

Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[dave walton]

I thought his middle initial was "F" ???

-Dave Walton


On 5/26/06, Tarek Elshenawy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


AMEN BROTHER!

And may our savior and Lord Jaysus H. Christ be with you.

SN

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

A bronze Pat Robertson is better.



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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[R A Bennell]

Have a little environmental concern. Think of what would happen to the water in 
the Bay.

Randy B

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That was a good one!  Too bad he didn't get the other bronze statues!



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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[Tarek Elshenawy]

AMEN BROTHER!

And may our savior and Lord Jaysus H. Christ be with you.

SN

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

A bronze Pat Robertson is better.

Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[Loren Faeth]

That was a good one!  Too bad he didn't get the other bronze statues!

Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[Marshall Booth]

David Brodbeck wrote:

Marshall Booth wrote:
Replace the belt if 
there are ANY cracks on the ribbed side.


General question about serp. belts -- is checking on the smooth side 
acceptable, as long as the ribbed side isn't cracked?  Or should I 
replace a belt that shows this kind of wear?


The ribbed side of the belt is clearly visible where it loops over the 
idler while where the belt loops over the PS pump pulley and then 
descends to the AC compressor, the ribbed surface is somewhat obscured.


If there are any threads dangling at the side or the side of the belt 
seems to be  frayed, I'd change the belt too.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[BillR]

The version with lawyers was good, also [present mb list company excepted,
of course]
BillR 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

A bronze Pat Robertson is better.
On 5/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> The Bronze Rat
>
> A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at 
> everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a 
> rat. It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must 
> have it.
>
> He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?" The 
> owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story."
> The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you 
> can keep the story."
>
> As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a 
> few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun 
> following him down the street.
>
> This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a 
> couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds, 
> and they begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking 
> around to see that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are 
> squealing and coming toward him faster and faster.
>
> Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Bay, and throws the 
> bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the 
> millions of rats all jump into the Bay after it and are all drowned.
>
> The man walks back to the curio shop.
> "Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"
>
> "No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, 
> a bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."
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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[Zeitgeist]

um, isn't this best left inside your head or on the Banned list?


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Re: [MBZ] The bronze rat

[andrew strasfogel]

A bronze Pat Robertson is better.
On 5/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



The Bronze Rat

A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at
everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat. It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must
have it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?" The
owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story."
The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you can
keep the story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a couple
of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds, and they
begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking around to see
that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and coming
toward
him
faster and faster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Bay, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the millions
of rats all jump into the Bay after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.
"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."
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Re: [MBZ] 87 124 Diesel wagon on Ebay item # 4643085780

[andrew strasfogel]

I DO DESIRE.

On 5/26/06, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> Subject: [MBZ] 87 124 Diesel wagon on Ebay item # 4643085780

This car is close enough for me to check out, if anyone so desires
Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT

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[MBZ] The bronze rat

[RELNGSON]

The Bronze Rat
  
A tourist walks into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at
everything, he notices a very lifelike life-sized bronze statue of a
rat. It has no price tag, but is so striking that he decides he must
have it.

He takes it to the owner and asks, "How much for the bronze rat?" The
owner replies, "$12 for the rat and $100 for the story."
The tourist gives the man $12 and says, "I'll just take the rat, you can
keep the story."

As he walks down the street carrying his bronze rat, he notices that a
few real rats have crawled out of the alleys and sewers and begun
following him down the street.

This is disconcerting, and he begins walking faster. But within a couple
of blocks, the herd of rats behind him has grown to hundreds, and they
begin squealing. He begins to trot toward the Bay, looking around to see
that the rats now number in the MILLIONS, and are squealing and coming toward 
him
faster and faster.

Concerned, even scared, he runs to the edge of the Bay, and throws the
bronze rat as far out into the water as he can. Amazingly, the millions
of rats all jump into the Bay after it and are all drowned.

The man walks back to the curio shop.
"Ah ha," says the owner, "you have come back for the story?"

"No," says the man, "I came back to see if you have a bronze Mexican, a
bronze Muslim cleric, a bronze Democrat, & anything French."

Re: [MBZ] Hunting for the condensor

[RELNGSON]

<>

No wonder he had so much trouble considering the damned thing is is front of 
the radiator.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] 87 124 Diesel wagon on Ebay item # 4643085780

[Rick Knoble]

Subject: [MBZ] 87 124 Diesel wagon on Ebay item # 4643085780


This car is close enough for me to check out, if anyone so desires
Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD

'87 190 DT

Re: [MBZ] Gasket sealer

[archer]

Baggies sound like a good idea.  I've had threadlock make a sticky mess too.
Gerry

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gasket sealer


I have some in a little tube (you only need a bit -- it goes a long 
way), and it oozed out in the toolbox and made a huge really sticky mess 
on some wrenches.  A baggie and some carb cleaner fixed it.  The stuff 
works well.


--R

David Brodbeck wrote:


archer wrote:
 

Thanks, David.  I'll try the "aviation sealer" if Napa or Flaps has it; 
otherwise the orange permatex.
 
   



They should have it.  Look for a squat, white bottle with a metal cap.


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Re: [MBZ] '83 300SD transmission

[Jim Cathey]

ever a problem with the trans fluid cooler collapsing and causing
a pressure buildup.


Having seen a torn-apart radiator in the junkyard, I don't see how
that would be possible.  What I saw was a copper hollow-walled
cylinder with fittings set in the sides.  (Coolant flows over
both outside and inside walls.)  Sure it could maybe collapse
somehow, but I don't see how it'd ever un-collapse again.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Rodbender on ebay # 4643645473

[dave walton]

They probably clocked it.

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/350-SDL-Southern-Car-No-Rust-Turbo-Diesel
-Clean_W0QQitemZ4643645473QQcategoryZ6336QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



This rodbender has 300K on it. How is that possible?





Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 127K

1992 Olds 98 122k

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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[l02turner]

David asked:<
acceptable, as long as the ribbed side isn't cracked>>>


Hi David -
I think you need to look carefully at the underside of the belt - there's a 
place where a pulley reverses the direction of the belt and exposes the 
underside (on my W124 diesel it's next to the power steering reservoir) IMO, 
the underside if the best indication of the condition of the belt.  BTW, the 
belt is inexpensive (less than $20 for W124 300D's) and installing it is 
pretty easy.


If there's any question about the condition of the existing belt it's false 
economy not to go ahead and change it (IMHO)--


Sincerely,
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Marshall Booth wrote:

Replace the belt if
there are ANY cracks on the ribbed side.


General question about serp. belts -- is checking on the smooth side
acceptable, as long as the ribbed side isn't cracked?  Or should I
replace a belt that shows this kind of wear?


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Re: [MBZ] Gasket sealer

[Rich Thomas]

I have some in a little tube (you only need a bit -- it goes a long 
way), and it oozed out in the toolbox and made a huge really sticky mess 
on some wrenches.  A baggie and some carb cleaner fixed it.  The stuff 
works well.


--R

David Brodbeck wrote:


archer wrote:
 

Thanks, David.  I'll try the "aviation sealer" if Napa or Flaps has it; 
otherwise the orange permatex.
 
   



They should have it.  Look for a squat, white bottle with a metal cap.


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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[David Brodbeck]

Marshall Booth wrote:
Replace the belt if 
there are ANY cracks on the ribbed side.


General question about serp. belts -- is checking on the smooth side 
acceptable, as long as the ribbed side isn't cracked?  Or should I 
replace a belt that shows this kind of wear?

Re: [MBZ] Gasket sealer

[David Brodbeck]

archer wrote:
Thanks, David.  I'll try the "aviation sealer" if Napa or Flaps has it; 
otherwise the orange permatex.
  


They should have it.  Look for a squat, white bottle with a metal cap.

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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[Marshall Booth]

John Peterson / ImmersionStudio LLC wrote:

That is a good question- I've been wondering about mine too.  I have at
least 1/4 inch play on mine with slight noise at startup for about 10
minutes.  How can we tell when the tensioner pully or spring etc. are
failing?  Watch for wobble in the pully?


Buy the lever, the idler wheel, and the shock. If you don't use it this 
time you will the next time. If there is ANY deviation from parallel 
between the belt and the idler, either the idler or the lever OR BOTH) 
require replacement.


If the play become extreme, the fan blade can hit the idler and if it 
does it can shatter taking the radiator, ATF and oil hoses with it and 
that CAN destroy the engine. Even if it doesn't destroy the engine, it's 
an expensive repair!


Inspect the location of the idler with respect to the belt every time 
you open the hood and expect to service the tensioner system about every 
75kmi (or sooner if you use aftermarket shocks). Replace the belt if 
there are ANY cracks on the ribbed side. I get 50-100kmi from belts (and 
always keep an old belt as a spare for emergency - the belt can be hard 
to find when you need one on a Saturday or Sunday - even some dealers 
don't stock them).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[l02turner]

Thanks Marshall!  Luckily Rusty was able to determine which part I needed 
with the VIN #.  What a great resource he is!


Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



2nd -- where the H do I find the engine #?  I've looked all over but
evidently not the right place.  As I mentioned - it;s a '91, W124 5 cyl 
2.5

Turbo.


The engine number is on the driver's side rear of the engine block, just
below the block head junction, behind the oil filter housing and under
the intake manifold - IMPOSSIBLE for a human to see without
disassembling the car.

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Gasket sealer

[archer]

Thanks, David.  I'll try the "aviation sealer" if Napa or Flaps has it; 
otherwise the orange permatex.

Gerry

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archer wrote:
The water pump mating surface on my '83 240D is somewhat pitted, so I 
want
to use some sort of sealer on the gasket when I install the water pump. 
Can

someone suggest a sealer that won't make removal too difficult?



Permetex makes some brown stuff that comes in a bottle, with a brush
attached to the cap. It never really hardens, just gets sticky.  It's
sometimes called "aviation sealer."  That would probably be my first
choice for an application where you want easy removal.

Tip: Do not, under any circumstances, spill aviation sealer in your
toolbox. It will make everything in there sticky forever.  BT, DT.

Another option is to use something like orange Permatex, but *only*
apply it to the side of the gasket that faces the pitted surface.  Don't
use too much, and wait for it to set up a little before installing.  The
non-sealer side of the gasket will part to let you remove the pump, and
then you'll have access to scrape the gasket and sealer off the other
side.  I used to use this technique for VW valve cover gaskets.  I'd
glue them to the cover with sealer but leave the side facing the head
dry for easy removal.  (Veedub valve covers come off every 6,000 miles
for valve adjustments.)



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Re: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!

[l02turner]

John wrote:>>


Thanks John,
I ordered the rest of the parts needed to fix it from Rusty this morning  - 
along with the stuff I ordered last week it looks like around $175 total for 
the spring, damper, lower pivot, upper pivot and damper.


Not sure how much disassembly I'll need to do to get to everything but I've 
removed the shroud & fan before so that'll be easy.  Just not sure what 
damage has been done by the lower tension adjuster getting cockeyed. 
Hopefully the damage will be minor and limited to the tensioner and not 
where it attaches to the engine.


Time to study the manual and plan my attack ;-)

Thanks for the info you provided -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Mine has been doing this since I stored the car for the winter.  I took it
out of storage in March.  It has about 1/4 inch of play.

The 2.5 is a SWEET motor.

John Peterson


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John wrote:<
failing?  Watch for wobble >>>'


Hi John!
   Hope you're doing well.  Do you know how long your tensioner has had 
the

play you mention in it?  Since I just bought my 300 in Feb I'm not sure if
mine has been like this for 12 weeks or 12 months.

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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That is a good question- I've been wondering about mine too.  I have at
least 1/4 inch play on mine with slight noise at startup for about 10
minutes.  How can we tell when the tensioner pully or spring etc. are
failing?  Watch for wobble in the pully?

Thanks

John Peterson
1991 300D 2.5 79k


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Subject: [MBZ] Serpentine Belt Lower Pivot - Need Help!


Help!
I rec'd my Bentley manual and noticed the warning about the tensioner
becoming worn and out of alugnment - checked my '91 300D 2.5 this am and
discovered 1/4" play.  I'm ordering all new stuff from Rusty - but I need
to
know if it's safe to drive like this as I expect the parts won't arrive
until next tuesday. -

2 questions -
1st  - Should I park it 'til I fix it? (my wife would drive it today, Sat
&
Sun to work - 100 mi RT each day -  unless ya'll say it's too dangerous.)

2nd -- where the H do I find the engine #?  I've looked all over but
evidently not the right place.  As I mentioned - it;s a '91, W124 5 cyl
2.5
Turbo.

Thanks guys - I know I can count on ya'll!

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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