Re: [MBZ] Power Steering Juice

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
If I knew how to search the archives or if my memory were better I wouldn't 
have to bother you with this - is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable for use in the 
power steering?  It's for my 91 300D 2.5T W124


ATF is NOT approved for your car (but I doubt that it would do any 
harm). You should use either the Mercedes fluid or the Febi/Bilstein 
equivalent that Rusty sells. The approved oil is one that is slightly 
less viscous than the old type A transmission fluid and has NO lubricity 
additives. The PS fluid is especially better than conventional Dexron 
II/III fluids in winter. Mobil 1 ATF eliminates the cold weather problem 
 that most ATFs exhibit.


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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

Ok, Marshall -- a question.

Assume that I now have a 50/50 mix of 5W-30 and 5W-40 in the engine. I agree
that the thinner 5W-30 will be consumed more quickly than the 5W-40, because
I noticed it on this weekend's 1100 mile trip.

But ... do I have the equivilent of 5W-35 in there, or will the 5W-30
eventually burn away leaving me with 5W-40 in time? In other words, how do
the two "mix" when they are in the same crankcase?

Disregard the fact that I will be adding 5W-40 as needed.


Mixing oil of different viscosities isn't a linear process I've been 
told. Most oil is a mix of different chain lengths (and thus different 
viscosities). One thing I can assure you of: if you mix 0W-40 and 15W-50 
the resulting mix will be "thicker" then the 0W-40 and "thinner" than 
the 15W-50. As to which molecule will be consumed or ejected first - I 
have NO idea. When you have any mix of long and short chain oil, do the 
short chains go first?


All of these oils are superior to any other oil that I know of - far 
superior to ANY conventional (group I or II) or group III synthetic.


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[MBZ] Power Steering Juice

[LarryT]

If I knew how to search the archives or if my memory were better I wouldn't 
have to bother you with this - is Mobil 1 ATF acceptable for use in the 
power steering?  It's for my 91 300D 2.5T W124


TIA -

Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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. 

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Curt Raymond]

At one point I checked the label on a bottle of Mobil 1 10w30 I was putting in 
my gasser pickup truck and it was diesel rated, of course I can't remember what 
the rating was...
   
  It doesn't meet Mercedes diesel rating but its a capable diesel oil anyway. 
I'd run the 5w30 for 3,000 miles and then change it out with 15w50 or whatever 
I could get. 
   
  This is why Johnny B went to Amsoil...
   
  -Curt
   
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LT Don wrote:
> Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of 
the
> non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything 
out and
> refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big 
jug plus
> one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to 
do an
> oil change.

Don't rush to drain it out!!

What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem 
up 
to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine 
(so you'll burn it a bit faster) and it isn't diesel rated because it 
doesn't have as aggressive an additive package for neutralizing 
combustion by-products (but you'll change the oil because of soot load 
LONG before acid by-products are any problem - unless you're using 
off-road #2 with 5000 ppm sulfur).

Marshall
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How much did you tighten the retainer nut on top (and you MUST hold the 
rod and NOT allow it to rotate -- it can unscrew from the piston and/or 
break the seals on the piston, causing early failur -- or blowing the 
rod out the top of the shock!).

Properly installed the locker nut you likely got should leave one nut't 
worth of thread showing -- if you have two nuts, run them down until 
one thread shows above the top nut and then tighten the bottom one up 
to it.  Any more, and you eliminate the shock absorbing qualities of 
the mount rubber, and this may in fact shorten shock life, let along 
ruin ride quality.

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Curt Raymond]

I've officially given up on Wal-Mart for pretty much anything. Everytime I got 
its a crapshoot if they're going to have ANY Mobil 1 I can use. I don't 
understand how they can have 200 gallons of 10w30, 5w30 and 5w20 and 3 quarts 
of 15w50... I mean if the 15w50 sells so well why couldn't you stock more of 
it? Doesn't make any kind of sense.
   
  So this weekend I discovered that if I call our local Autozone on Monday and 
tell him I want 9 quarts of 15w50 on Friday he'll have it when I get there and 
ask. I found this out after ranting about Wal-Mart stupidly not having any. 
He's going to check on 5w40 for me too.
   
  -Curt
   
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FWIW, I stopped browsing walmart in search of 5W40 mobil 1 and picked 
up
some delvac 1 from a truck stop in paso robles. Little expensive, but 
far 
cheaper than the mobil 1 distributor up here wanted for them. 

Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear.

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Ok, Marshall -- a question.

Assume that I now have a 50/50 mix of 5W-30 and 5W-40 in the engine. I agree
that the thinner 5W-30 will be consumed more quickly than the 5W-40, because
I noticed it on this weekend's 1100 mile trip.

But ... do I have the equivilent of 5W-35 in there, or will the 5W-30
eventually burn away leaving me with 5W-40 in time? In other words, how do
the two "mix" when they are in the same crankcase?

Disregard the fact that I will be adding 5W-40 as needed.

Don


On 6/26/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> LT Don wrote:
>
> Don't rush to drain it out!!
>
> What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up
> to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine
> (so you'll burn it a bit faster)
>



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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[George Larribeau]

Correction: Mobil 5W-30 Truck and SUV formula IS rated CD & CF so is
suitable for light duty diesel service. Doesn't seem to meet ACEA B-3,
B-4 so it's inferior to other M-1 oils.

http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Truck_SUV_5W-30.asp

Marshall


I called the Mobil 1 tech support at 800 662 4542. Basically they were very 
apologetic for the SNAFU that the 're-labeling' has caused. Currently 
Autozone is scheduled to pick up stocking of the 'Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 
5W-40' This was directly commutated as a done deal with the word 
'immediately' used. Wallmart and the others are to follow but did not get a 
firm answer as to their commitment and or schedule. The rep was aware that 
the re-labeling has caused a stocking problem at many (all?) of their 
consumer outlets of this product and has not be beneficial to their 
marketing of it. The target consumer of it is diesel pickup truck owners. 
He (the rep) told me that 'Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40' is Delvac 1 and 
is no different that the 'discontinued' Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W-40. However 
all the above was verily commutated over the telephone .


George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Kevin]

On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 02:02:55PM -0700, Jim Cathey wrote:
> > If so, I'll pay for shipping and you can repair it as a guinea pig.
> 
> I anticipate a low likelihood of repair, mostly I just want to see
> how a dead one behaves on the bench.  I really don't want to try to
> induce suspected failure modes on the good one that's supposed to be
> in my car!

Have you tested the one in the parts wagon you have to see if it behaves
similarly in the SDL or on the bench?

K

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Jim Cathey]

How difficult is it to remove this board and will I be able to drive
without it. (I'm think I can but want to know definitely!)


It's a small board perpendicular to the instrument cluster's board,
soldered to the cluster by four standoff pins.  Should be fairly
easy to remove, and the car will run well without it.  If you jumpered
between the AUSG. and GEBER holes you'd still have the light hooked
straight to the sensor.  (The legends are etched into the foil side
of the little PCB.)


If so, I'll pay for shipping and you can repair it as a guinea pig.


I anticipate a low likelihood of repair, mostly I just want to see
how a dead one behaves on the bench.  I really don't want to try to
induce suspected failure modes on the good one that's supposed to be
in my car!

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that LT wrote:

> Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on
> hand is the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended
> for diesels.
> 
> Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that
> is the case -- what is my best backup oil?  A local store does have
> Rotella and I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop,
> although I've never actually look for it there.

I'm pretty sure that the Truck and SUV is a rerelabel of the Delvac1. Or
at least it used to be...

So that would truely be the right oil!

-- Philip, not an expert

[MBZ] "82" Euro TD

[Van Cleve]

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Forgot to mention, I'm on the Olympic Peninsula near Port Townsend Wa


Regards
Steve
"85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
"94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
"82" TD project wagon
"64" VW Bug
"65" D15, AC tractor 

Re: [MBZ] OT - On eBay, it pays to snipe

[David Brodbeck]

George Larribeau wrote:
> Its currently being wined about on 'Slash Dot' for those who care ..
>
> http://slashdot.org/
>   

That's what Slash Dot does best!  I stopped reading because I got tired
of the whining and the endless Linux wars; the irritation factor
overcame the entertainment of reading the stories, for me.  It was
irritaining, to borrow a term originally coined to describe the OJ
Simpson trial.

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Marshall Booth]

Jim Cathey wrote:


I powered up the low-oil board on the bench, and found that the IC on
it is _not_ apparently an analog device.  The RC network on it
(using the 0.047 uF capacitor) forms a 256-Hz oscillator, the
oscilloscope shows a promenent waveform on both associated pins: one a
rail-to-rail square wave and the other a lower-voltage sawtooth
waveform centered around the switching threshhold.  In other words, a
typical on-chip RC oscillator.  The device appears to be a simple
digital counter, probably about a 14-stage ripple counter as that
gives you a 64 second timeout and the light comes on about 16,800
clocks after it goes out.  It has a built-in RC oscillator, and
requires a 2-second reset input (from the oil sensor), and doesn't
appear to be tease-able.  (You need a steady 2-second grounding of the
input in order to make the light go out.)

I can speculate that if the 0.047 capacitor (or the traces or
solder joints thereto) opened up the RC oscillator could start
running _much_ faster than it ought to, perhaps resulting in the
device acting like there was no effective delay because the clock
frequency was much too high, assuming it still ran at all.  That would
be one place to look on a dead one, and you _certainly_ would
want to put a scope or frequency counter on the IC's pin 8 to see if
you had the 256 Hz waveform, assuming you had such an instrument.

I can see that while an analog circuit could be designed to do the
same thing, this approach is in theory much more reliable.  In
practice, however, not all silicon chips that were ever made exhibit
the long-term reliability that one would expect.  (Certain expensive
and capable analog Tektronix oscilloscopes that are dying like flies
come to mind, for which there are _no_ replacement chips.)

Another replacement thought would involve an 8-pin PIC
microcontroller.  (And no, the pinout on the board does not match that
of the PIC either.)  It ought not be too hard at all to write the
program, and the PIC is very cheap.  I don't know that I'd want to go
there, however.

Anybody got a bad low-oil circuit board they want to donate to
the cause of science?  I'll be happy to pay for shipping, etc.


First class diagnostic work Jim. That's MUCH further than I ever got 
(but then I never put one on the bench).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] 79 300D Normal Coolant Temperature

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Merle wrote:


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Peter, those are great numbers.wish my MB's were that low!

I  wouldn't touch a thing.
What doi you mean that Low - is yours running hotter!

I am a bit puzzled - I have the same engined Gwagon ( W460 series ) and
that termperature stays less than 90 regardless of conditions - uses
same thermostat but does have a slightly larger radiator - vehicle
weight is however also signifcantly higher. Its radiator is copper , the
W123 of mine is aluminuim /plastic . My radiator has been cleanened
professionally . I do have a copper raditor new - however it is not a
simple plug and play replacement - the brackets are offset and there are
no brackets for the oil cooler so it will need modification . This
raditor was made for OEM for the South African W123 's and somehow the
mounting is different!!
Peter Merle
capetown


I still haven't heard that you have ANY problem. The principle objective 
of the cooling system design is to allow the coolant to run as hot as 
possible - WITHOUT boiling. If you have a problem with the coolant 
boiling, then you need to do whatever is required to prevent that! If 
the coolant is NOT boiling away, then the engine will run as efficiently 
as possible and fuel consumption and engine wear will be optimized.


The purpose of the cooling system is to PREVENT cooling until the temp 
reaches about 85 degrees and to slowly divert more and more coolant thru 
the radiator as temperature increases until it's all diverted at between 
94-102 deg. C. Only when/after all of the coolant is diverted thru the 
radiator does the fan(s) become energized to add to the cooling. Using 
1-1.4 bar of radiator pressure further raises the boiling point of 
coolant and the use of a surfactant (such as Red Line Water Wetter) can 
further improve the transfer of engine heat from the engine to the 
coolant and from the coolant to the radiator surfaces. Engine heat 
readings of as high as 115 deg C are entirely proper under sever 
conditions as will harm NOTHING as long as the system is operating as 
designed.


The design of the 123 cooling system was entirely sufficient for even 
desert environments as long as the system was properly maintained! It 
MAY not transfer as much heat as fast as your W460, but why should it?


There is NOTHING magic about 90 deg! It's only important to prevent 
coolant from boiling!


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Marshall Booth]

Marshall Booth wrote:

LT Don wrote:

Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the
non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and
refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus
one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an
oil change.


Don't rush to drain it out!!

What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up 
to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine 
(so you'll burn it a bit faster) and it isn't diesel rated because it 
doesn't have as aggressive an additive package for neutralizing 
combustion by-products (but you'll change the oil because of soot load 
LONG before acid by-products are any problem - unless you're using 
off-road #2 with 5000 ppm sulfur).


Marshall


Correction: Mobil 5W-30 Truck and SUV formula IS rated CD & CF so is 
suitable for light duty diesel service. Doesn't seem to meet ACEA B-3, 
B-4 so it's inferior to other M-1 oils.


http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENPVLMOMobil1_Truck_SUV_5W-30.asp

Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

Are you saying that the "new" 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was
laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were
diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck & SUV.


While M-1 15W-50 hasn't been approved by Mercedes (at least not yet) it 
carries the same CF API rating and ACEA B3, B4 ratings. I would not 
hesitate to use it in MY diesels.


M-1 ESP formula M 5W-40 was supposed to start showing up (Mercedes says, 
"available in the USA on 5/15/06") in the US last month. I think I'd 
choose the 5W-40 Turbo Diesel Truck or the Delvac 1 formulas for older 
diesels if I had a choice, but the newer oil should be JUST fine - if 
you can find it.


Marshall
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[MBZ] OT - On eBay, it pays to snipe

[George Larribeau]

Well, As Pyle would say, Surprise Surprise

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/2006-06-25-physics-of-ebay_x.htm

 

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Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Jeff Zedic]

How difficult is it to remove this board and will I be able to drive 
without it. (I'm think I can but want to know definitely!)


If so, I'll pay for shipping and you can repair it as a guinea pig.

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the
non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and
refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus
one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an
oil change.


Don't rush to drain it out!!

What you put in (m-1 T&SUV 5W-30) suspends soot just fine (no problem up 
to about 2%). It's just a bit too "thin" for an "antique" diesel engine 
(so you'll burn it a bit faster) and it isn't diesel rated because it 
doesn't have as aggressive an additive package for neutralizing 
combustion by-products (but you'll change the oil because of soot load 
LONG before acid by-products are any problem - unless you're using 
off-road #2 with 5000 ppm sulfur).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[LT Don]

Are you saying that the "new" 15W-50 Ext is ok for our diesels? I was
laboring under the assumption that none of the Extended oils were
diesel-approved, and that the logical replacement was the 0W-40 Truck & SUV.


Don


On 6/26/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


LT Don wrote:

Of the easily available oils, Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext seems to be the easiest
to find. It's at least a little better then the discontinued M-1 15W-50.
If much below zero temps are anticipated, mixing 0W-40 and 15W-50 might
be beneficial, but while I've done that, it really wasn't ever necessary.





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Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Jim Cathey]

So you admit that "It's not broken, but you are trying to fix it."??


Not at all!  I'm trying to understand it, so that if I have to I
can fix it.  (Or somebody else's, remember the bit about the shingle?)


You're entering dangerous territory, there Jim!!!


Yeah, that's for sure.

I powered up the low-oil board on the bench, and found that the IC on
it is _not_ apparently an analog device.  The RC network on it
(using the 0.047 uF capacitor) forms a 256-Hz oscillator, the
oscilloscope shows a promenent waveform on both associated pins: one a
rail-to-rail square wave and the other a lower-voltage sawtooth
waveform centered around the switching threshhold.  In other words, a
typical on-chip RC oscillator.  The device appears to be a simple
digital counter, probably about a 14-stage ripple counter as that
gives you a 64 second timeout and the light comes on about 16,800
clocks after it goes out.  It has a built-in RC oscillator, and
requires a 2-second reset input (from the oil sensor), and doesn't
appear to be tease-able.  (You need a steady 2-second grounding of the
input in order to make the light go out.)

I can speculate that if the 0.047 capacitor (or the traces or
solder joints thereto) opened up the RC oscillator could start
running _much_ faster than it ought to, perhaps resulting in the
device acting like there was no effective delay because the clock
frequency was much too high, assuming it still ran at all.  That would
be one place to look on a dead one, and you _certainly_ would
want to put a scope or frequency counter on the IC's pin 8 to see if
you had the 256 Hz waveform, assuming you had such an instrument.

I can see that while an analog circuit could be designed to do the
same thing, this approach is in theory much more reliable.  In
practice, however, not all silicon chips that were ever made exhibit
the long-term reliability that one would expect.  (Certain expensive
and capable analog Tektronix oscilloscopes that are dying like flies
come to mind, for which there are _no_ replacement chips.)

Another replacement thought would involve an 8-pin PIC
microcontroller.  (And no, the pinout on the board does not match that
of the PIC either.)  It ought not be too hard at all to write the
program, and the PIC is very cheap.  I don't know that I'd want to go
there, however.

Anybody got a bad low-oil circuit board they want to donate to
the cause of science?  I'll be happy to pay for shipping, etc.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Marshall Booth]

LT Don wrote:

Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is
the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels.

Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is
the case -- what is my best backup oil?  A local store does have Rotella and
I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've
never actually look for it there.



Of the easily available oils, Mobil 1 15W-50 Ext seems to be the easiest 
to find. It's at least a little better then the discontinued M-1 15W-50. 
If much below zero temps are anticipated, mixing 0W-40 and 15W-50 might 
be beneficial, but while I've done that, it really wasn't ever necessary.


Marshall
Delvac 1 5W-40, or Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40 (these are 
essentially the same oil) can both be used.


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'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol heavy breathing

[RELNGSON]

<>

I think the word would be "blame", given the impassioned comments. And if I 
was writing for the WSJ, I'd be a lot better off than I   am.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] "82" Euro TD

[Jim Cathey]

and need the covered storage space. I plan to list it on "Craigs
list" if no one around here is interested.


You probably ought to specify where "around here" is, no?

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol from the WSJ

[David Brodbeck]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
> I often wonder why the US is always so upset with OPEC when you get most 
> of your imported oil from Canada...?? Yes, Canada is the single largest 
> supplier of US oil.
>   

People still remember the 1970s, when OPEC was a big enough player to
manipulate the prices at will.  They still have *some* ability to game
the market, but they aren't the force they used to be.

Prices are high enough now that even OPEC is starting to worry.  Back
when they had more clout they would drop prices after a while, killing
the market for alternative fuels before it could really get started. 
They can't do that anymore, because they lack the pumping capacity, but
the fear of it has kept investment out of that sector for quite a while.

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[LT Don]

Yea, that is where I am at. After accidently putting in two quarts of the
non-diesel Truck & SUV over the weekend, I want to drain everything out and
refill with something that will suspend soot. I have half of a big jug plus
one quart of the "correct" Truck & SUV but that isn't quite enough to do an
oil change.

On 6/26/06, Kevin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear.

K

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[MBZ] "82" Euro TD

[Van Cleve]

About a year and a half ago I bought an "82" Euro 300TD with the 
intention of converting it to a 240TD and using it for our "road 
car", something we could sleep in comfortably should the need arise. 
Tried sleeping in my sedan ONCE, I'm too old for that crap :-) The 
engine has low compression and only started when oil was injected 
into the cylinders .it ran and sounded fine once started. Nothing 
traumatic happened so it would be a good candidate for a rebuild. I 
pulled the engine and tranny, cleaned the engine compartment and was 
going to install a 616 with a manual as I have also installed the 
pedal assembly. I have a new "convertible top" hydraulic pump with 
hoses to use for the SLS. Of course a 617 (non turbo) could be used 
as the old pump is in fine working order (as is the entire SLS) The 
car has a couple of spots of rust on the bottom of the doors and a 
couple small dings but looks very nice.  I spent close to $500 having 
the seats fixed up and the upholstery put back in original looking 
condition, which are cloth with MB tex outer panels (black)  The 
interior is very nice, no cracks in the dash and manual heater. I 
pulled it outa the barn and took some pics of it yesterday and plan 
to post them on one of those photo hosting sites. I'm into it $1300 
and need the covered storage space. I plan to list it on "Craigs 
list" if no one around here is interested.
 The reason I quit the project was I found a low mileage 
Dodge/Cummins PU  which has become our "road vehicle",
Send me an email if interested as I sometimes get behind reading the 
list this time of year.



Regards
Steve
"85" Euro 240D, 5 spd manual, 110K
"79" 240D, 5 spd manual, 20K on eng rebuild
"94" Dodge/Cummins PU, 100K
"82" TD project wagon
"64" VW Bug
"65" D15, AC tractor 

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Kevin]

On Mon, Jun 26, 2006 at 07:53:51AM -0500, LT Don wrote:
> Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is
> the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels.
> 
> Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is
> the case -- what is my best backup oil?  A local store does have Rotella and
> I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've
> never actually look for it there.

FWIW, I stopped browsing walmart in search of 5W40 mobil 1 and picked up
some delvac 1 from a truck stop in paso robles. Little expensive, but far 
cheaper than the mobil 1 distributor up here wanted for them. 

Couldn't wait any longer for turbodiesel truck to appear.

K

Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

[JFreezn]

 
In a message dated 6/25/2006 1:49:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

One of  the high beams has stopped working on my 91 300D W124 - the 
manual says to  replace with Halogen 9004 bulbs but I was wondering if 
there's any benefit  to the other halogen bulbs reported to be upgrades? 
Don't care for the  blue bulbs but the white seem to be pretty bright -
But I don't want to  install something inferior, illegal or with a short 
life  -



Larry,
 
There is a current ad in the Checker/schucks/Kragen Sunday booklet for  
Sylvania SilverStar headlamps and lamp modules.  $10 off plus a $10  rebate.  
With 
most SS plug in modules selling for about $34 a pair, you  could give these a 
try for less outlay than a stock lamp.  I have read that  they have a shorter 
life than stock, and that their light output is not  significantly better than 
stock.  I don't  recall if that was  Consumers Report or some fly by night 
tester.  
 
Regards,  

Jim  Friesen
Phoenix AZ
79 300SD, 262 K miles 
98 ML 320, 142 K  miles

Re: [MBZ] OT tool tip

[Potter, Tom E]

That sounds like a great idea. I will try it.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry Watkins
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:29 AM
To: Diesel List
Subject: [MBZ] OT tool tip

I use a piece of dimpled foam under the hood for a handy place to put
parts and tools while I'm working.  Mine is 24 x 30 inches and 3 inches
thick.

Things can be thrown on it and they stay put.  Even when its loaded you
can move it around to get it out of the way with out doing damage.

When finished working, its easily picked up with everything still on it
and taken back to your bench or tool box.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans


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[MBZ] OT tool tip

[Harry Watkins]

I use a piece of dimpled foam under the hood for a handy place to put parts and 
tools while I'm working.  Mine is 24 x 30 inches and 3 inches thick.

Things can be thrown on it and they stay put.  Even when its loaded you can 
move it around to get it out of the way with out doing damage.

When finished working, its easily picked up with everything still on it and 
taken back to your bench or tool box.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

Re: [MBZ] O.T. VW Power Steering Pump

[Zeitgeist]

I'm just plucking this out of ...uh, somewhere, but my '96 Passat tdi used a
separate v-belt just for the ps pump, so it seems conceivable that this belt
is a tad loose, and what you're hearing is the belt slipping, or it's the
steering rack.  IIRC, those pumps use a sooper-dooper top secret green fluid
you can't purchase anywhere but the dealer...Pentosin 11s or some such
blend.

On 6/25/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I believe the PS pump is going out on the Bug. It's doing the
whr/growl thing while turning and at low rpm. I checked the fluid and
it's fine. My question is this:
Does the PS pump play more of a role in a FWD car? I've never had a PS
issue in a FWD car. I noticed when I was backing the Bug in the drive
tonight the noise was more noticable (more rpm changes I reckon).



Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler #22 (215k)
'84 300D (213k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Frond suspension

[George Larribeau]

The directions say "knock out with plastic hammer", but I am convinced to
this day that it is a translation error and should read "knock out with
plastique hammer (refer to figure C4)".  I took mine to a local shop where
they used a 25 ton press, and the guy said he was worried the press would
break.  It turns out that the rubber sheared first, then he had to use a
punch to peel the steel band away from the aluminum housing.


Yea, I wondered about that, Very likely easy on a factory new one that has
never been in service. How much risk is there of cracking the aluminum
housing?

George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] Hylomar HPF

[Harry Watkins]

Google it, there seems to be plenty.

Harry

- Original Message - 
From: "George Larribeau" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Hylomar HPF


> It looks like Permatex
> > discontinued it sometime back as there is no reference to it on their
> > website
>
>  Bummer - Bummer - Bummer
> This is my staple sealer however I thought the it was just marketed by
> permatex, I always thought it was some Euro stuff. Learned about it from a
> Porsche Mechanic about 20 years ago .. I hope it does not disappear ..It
> works so well on  air cooled motorcycles -  Bummer - Bummer - Bummer
>
> George Larribeau
> Dallas, Texas
>
> 1985 300SD 190K
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Hylomar HPF

[George Larribeau]

It looks like Permatex

discontinued it sometime back as there is no reference to it on their
website


Bummer - Bummer - Bummer
This is my staple sealer however I thought the it was just marketed by 
permatex, I always thought it was some Euro stuff. Learned about it from a 
Porsche Mechanic about 20 years ago .. I hope it does not disappear ..It 
works so well on  air cooled motorcycles -  Bummer - Bummer - Bummer


George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[George Larribeau]

Yea -- I did a search of some old threads and discovered that Rotella 
isn't

quite the way I want to go.


The "Mobil 1 Turbo Diesel Truck 5W-40" is around but seems harder to find. 
Does any one know it is the same as the old "Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5-10"

does is meet Mercedes 229.1 certification?? Is it still delvac 1 ??

George Larribeau
Dallas, Texas

1985 300SD 190K

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[LT Don]

Yea -- I did a search of some old threads and discovered that Rotella isn't
quite the way I want to go.

On 6/26/06, Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As I recall, Mobil1 15-50 is the next best bet.  I believe that Rotella
Synthetic isn't "real" synthetic.  But better than regular cheap oil.

Levi






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1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol from the WSJ

[Jeff Zedic]

I often wonder why the US is always so upset with OPEC when you get most 
of your imported oil from Canada...?? Yes, Canada is the single largest 
supplier of US oil.


I wholeheartedly agree with the "space race" analogythat should have 
been going on for a decade now. All of this peak oil talk is nothing 
new. People sawthis coming a long time ago! Unfortunately, the lobbyists 
and special interest groups run the US, not the voters. I think it's 
going to take a real kick in the nuts to the US and some patriotic 
blather once that happens, before they do anything about it. It's sad to 
see that the concept of prevention of disasters has gone the way of the 
Dodo.


I think a potential "problem" could be a major new oil field being 
found! That would really throw a spanner in the works of moving forward 
to cleaner fuels.


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.(update)

[Mike Canfield]

I haven't been following this post but have you checked the bumpstops to be 
sure the shocks are not bottoming out?  Just a thought.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Harry Watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.(update)



I replaced both front shocks over the weekend and both were trash.

I tried to determine if there was anything I did last last time to cause
VERY early failure but this job is so straight forward it would be hard to
do it wrong.  Over tightening the shaft nut would not be a good thing but 
I

had not done that.

I R&R the steering dampner but the old one is still good and I'll reuse it
one day.

My other SDL that I've owned twice as long and uses the same dirt road has
no hint of a shock problem.  I don't know what brand of shocks it has but 
I

know the suspenion is not nearly as tight as this one.

Wait and watch.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans







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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Levi Smith]

As I recall, Mobil1 15-50 is the next best bet.  I believe that Rotella
Synthetic isn't "real" synthetic.  But better than regular cheap oil.

Levi

On 6/26/06, LT Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is
the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels.

Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is
the case -- what is my best backup oil?  A local store does have Rotella
and
I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've
never actually look for it there.

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-- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_

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1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] SDL using more front shocks than oil.(update)

[Harry Watkins]

I replaced both front shocks over the weekend and both were trash.

I tried to determine if there was anything I did last last time to cause
VERY early failure but this job is so straight forward it would be hard to
do it wrong.  Over tightening the shaft nut would not be a good thing but I
had not done that.

I R&R the steering dampner but the old one is still good and I'll reuse it
one day.

My other SDL that I've owned twice as long and uses the same dirt road has
no hint of a shock problem.  I don't know what brand of shocks it has but I
know the suspenion is not nearly as tight as this one.

Wait and watch.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans

Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

[Mike Canfield]

If there is any question of the wiring being large enough then this could be 
an opportunity to add a relay setup so that the higher load is not on the 
headlight system wiring, only the relay load is on the switch.  Then rather 
than just getting power straight from the battery another relay could be 
added to activate the first relay only when the ignition is on.  No more 
dead batteries from leaving the lights on and no crispy cars from under the 
dash fires.  Pretty simple to set up with whatever ga. wire you need.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "Potter, Tom E" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 9:12 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs



I would be wary of raising the wattage of the headlamps until you verify
that the switches, connectors, and wiring can take it. I know on Ford
trucks the headlights have no relays and the headlight switch AND
connector melt from normal usage. I have three of them in this
condition.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

I know if you upgrade to euro lamps there are hotter, more efficient,
but shorter
lived bulbs available. I'm not sure if bulbs like that exist in 9004
series.
As mentioned earlier, the connectors are barely adequate for standard
wattage,
more wattage just cooks the connectors without really producing more
light.
Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[Mike Canfield]

Rotella Synthetic is only 13 bucks a gallon at Wally World.  Used to run 
through my 6.9 Tinkernational pretty fast so I went back to Delvac.


Mike
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From: "LT Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 8:53 AM
Subject: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV



Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is
the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels.

Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is
the case -- what is my best backup oil?  A local store does have Rotella 
and

I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've
never actually look for it there.

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1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

[Potter, Tom E]

I would be wary of raising the wattage of the headlamps until you verify
that the switches, connectors, and wiring can take it. I know on Ford
trucks the headlights have no relays and the headlight switch AND
connector melt from normal usage. I have three of them in this
condition.

Tom Potter

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 7:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

I know if you upgrade to euro lamps there are hotter, more efficient,
but shorter
lived bulbs available. I'm not sure if bulbs like that exist in 9004
series. 
As mentioned earlier, the connectors are barely adequate for standard
wattage,
more wattage just cooks the connectors without really producing more
light. 
Mitch.

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[MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck & SUV

[LT Don]

Just noticed (AFTER driving 1100 miles) that the Mobil 1 I have on hand is
the 5W-30 Truck & SUV rather than the 5W-40 that is intended for diesels.

Assuming that the 5W-40 isn't now available in my area -- I think that is
the case -- what is my best backup oil?  A local store does have Rotella and
I might be able to find Delvac 1 at the local truck stop, although I've
never actually look for it there.

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-- Tom Clancy, _Executive Orders_

1977 240D
1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle

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Re: [MBZ] Ethanol and the WSJ

[ned kleinhenz]

<<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote that bio-ethanol is generally an impractical and
prohibitively expensive idea.? This sounds to me like prime propaganda from
the petroleum industry.>>



I'm sorry RLE.  It was wrong for me to credit you for personally writing
that post.

Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> > Do check that the sensor isn't shorted, too
> 
> > So how about just building your own comparitor/timer rather than
> > trying to repair the unknown.
> 
> So far as I know, there's nothing wrong with mine.  I just was in
> a place to look at one, perhaps a good one.  I was going to fire
> it up on the bench and probe at it while exercising it to see if
> I could glean any more information out of it.

So you admit that "It's not broken, but you are trying to fix it."??

You're entering dangerous territory, there Jim!!!

 *grin & a chuckle*

--   Philip, often accused (accurately) of doing such things.

Re: [MBZ] 79 300D Normal Coolant Temperature

[Peter Merle]

-Original Message-
From: Desert Rat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: 23 June 2006 01:02 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 79 300D Normal Coolant Temperature


Peter, those are great numbers.wish my MB's were that low!

I  wouldn't touch a thing.
What doi you mean that Low - is yours running hotter!

I am a bit puzzled - I have the same engined Gwagon ( W460 series ) and
that termperature stays less than 90 regardless of conditions - uses
same thermostat but does have a slightly larger radiator - vehicle
weight is however also signifcantly higher. Its radiator is copper , the
W123 of mine is aluminuim /plastic . My radiator has been cleanened
professionally . I do have a copper raditor new - however it is not a
simple plug and play replacement - the brackets are offset and there are
no brackets for the oil cooler so it will need modification . This
raditor was made for OEM for the South African W123 's and somehow the
mounting is different!!
Peter Merle
capetown

Re: [MBZ] O.T. VW Power Steering Pump

[David Brodbeck]

Bob Rentfro wrote:
> Does the PS pump play more of a role in a FWD car? I've never had a
> PS issue in a FWD car.

As far as I've seen it's the same as a RWD car.  There are a few Audis
that have the power steering combined with hydraulically-assisted brakes
(instead of the more common vacuum assist) but I don't think any VWs
used that design.

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Jim Cathey]

Do check that the sensor isn't shorted, too



So how about just building your own comparitor/timer rather than trying
to repair the unknown.


So far as I know, there's nothing wrong with mine.  I just was in
a place to look at one, perhaps a good one.  I was going to fire
it up on the bench and probe at it while exercising it to see if
I could glean any more information out of it.


So how about just building your own comparitor/timer rather than trying
to repair the unknown.


That would make sense if I had a bad one and couldn't source a spare
from the junkyard.  I don't think that a circuit to do the job would
be that hard.  In fact, I'm surprised that the thing _doesn't_ seem
to use a jellybean analog part, given its vintage.

Is there a capacitor that COULD be part of a time constant that sets 
the

60 second interval? The usual symptom is that the 60 sec delay gets
shorter and shorter and the low oil light starts coming on during left
turns while the oil level is still just FINE!


The other capacitor is a 0.047 uF unit that looks to be of pretty high
quality, tied to a resistor that could certainly be part of setting a
time constant.  It's of a type that seems to me to be unlikely to go
bad, at least in the quantities that seem to be reported here.  If the
solder joint to that capacitor got flakey (a known VDO problem) it could
cause it to time out quicker, I suppose.  Don't know, as I don't have
a bad unit to compare to!  As I said, I think mine is still good.
(Let's hope it still is when I'm done messing with it.)

-- Jim

[MBZ] O.T. VW Power Steering Pump

[Bob Rentfro]

I believe the PS pump is going out on the Bug. It's doing the whr/growl 
thing while turning and at low rpm. I checked the fluid and it's fine. My 
question is this:
Does the PS pump play more of a role in a FWD car? I've never had a PS issue in 
a FWD car. I noticed when I was backing the Bug in the drive tonight the noise 
was more noticable (more rpm changes I reckon).

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 155K
'01 VW Beetle TDI 66K
etc

Re: [MBZ] a thing of beauty

[Chuck Landenberger]

Hey Guys

I know it's a day or two away, but I have my tickets to celebrate  
Christmas and New Year's w/my youngest son and his family in Hawaii.
The town,  Wahiawa, is located central island...  My son lives in  
Kailua, maybe 40 miles away.


If anyone is interested, let me know and I "might" be able to  
assist.


Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix, AZ

On Jun 25, 2006, at 9:58 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:


On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:44:00 -0400 John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin, Okiebenz wrote:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete- 
Rebuilt- 
Engine_W0QQitemZ110001825533QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZView 
Item


They look even better with a customized rebuilt injection pump  
hanging

on the  side, too.

http://www.mbdiesel.net/car_repair_photos/240D/MotorInstall/ 
DSCN0002.jpg



Now THAT'S beautiful!


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] a thing of beauty

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 22:44:00 -0400 John Ervine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin, Okiebenz wrote:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110001825533QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
> 
> They look even better with a customized rebuilt injection pump hanging
> on the  side, too.
> 
> http://www.mbdiesel.net/car_repair_photos/240D/MotorInstall/DSCN0002.jpg


Now THAT'S beautiful!


Craig

Re: [MBZ] a thing of beauty

[Craig McCluskey]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:30:53 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin, Okiebenz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110001825533QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Yes, but ...

1. Who rebuilt it?

2. It's in Hawaii.

3. Was is shipped to Hawaii bouncing around loose in that wooden crate?

Re: [MBZ] WSJ article

[RELNGSON]

<<[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote that bio-ethanol is generally an impractical and
prohibitively expensive idea.  This sounds to me like prime propaganda from
the petroleum industry.>>

I did NOT write this but simply posted the WSJ article on the subject to get 
people riled up. It worked.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos

[LT Don]

Hell, you can throw a bucket of water on my chest and snap away next year if
you want.

On 6/25/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Was there a wet T shirt comp? Not interested in blokes standing next to
cars
but chicks with super soaked Tees is not so bad.

Hendrik
who better get his mind out of the gutter before it gets run over

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos


>I was too busy to take pics, MMM is usually the guy taking pics, not
> sure if he did or not.
>
> Bob Rentfro wrote:
>
>> Those of us who couldn't attend are expexting, within reason, updates
of
>> antics and any important photos when warrented.
>>
>> I'm sure you're aware of this, Okie Q Host-boy?
>>
>> Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos

[Hendrik Riessen]

Was there a wet T shirt comp? Not interested in blokes standing next to cars 
but chicks with super soaked Tees is not so bad.


Hendrik
who better get his mind out of the gutter before it gets run over

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From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos



I was too busy to take pics, MMM is usually the guy taking pics, not
sure if he did or not.

Bob Rentfro wrote:

Those of us who couldn't attend are expexting, within reason, updates of 
antics and any important photos when warrented.


I'm sure you're aware of this, Okie Q Host-boy?

Bob Rentfro
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Re: [MBZ] a thing of beauty

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, I bet.

John Ervine wrote:


Kaleb C. Striplin, Okiebenz wrote:


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110001825533QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem



They look even better with a customized rebuilt injection pump hanging on the 
side, too.


http://www.mbdiesel.net/car_repair_photos/240D/MotorInstall/DSCN0002.jpg



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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Marshall Booth]

Peter Frederick wrote:

Jim:

If the electrolytic is shorted or open (the available failure modes, so 
to speak), it may cause the IC to turn the lamp on all the time 
reguardless of the signal from the sensor.


Do check that the sensor isn't shorted, too -- they often get oil in 
the float and stay on all the time for that reason, not a board 
failure.  A grounded wire will do the same, and that engine application 
is a bit tight.


Is there a capacitor that COULD be part of a time constant that sets the 
60 second interval? The usual symptom is that the 60 sec delay gets 
shorter and shorter and the low oil light starts coming on during left 
turns while the oil level is still just FINE!


This is would describe the what would happen if the capacitor value 
decreased 80-90% or more over time. If the circuit suddenly started 
coming on, then a sudden failure (or a capacitor opening OR the chip 
failing) would be more likely.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo Fuel Pump on Ebay or a problem with

[Marshall Booth]

Bob Morrison wrote:

"Your mechanic is there and has worked on the car so he's one up on me,
BUT.

The symptoms you describe are almost NEVER the injection pump. They
almost always relate to air intake, EGR, vacuum modulation of the
wastegate, pressure signals to the ALDA or the computer that controls
the emissions system and engine idle. If any of these is outside the
correct range, the engine WILL surge - even with a PERFECT injection pump.

What is the acceleration time from 0-62 mph??"


Well, I took it out on Interstate 94 tonight and "drove it like I stole it".
Marshall it goes 0 to 62 mph in seventeen seconds.  Good or bad?


That sounds like boost (if any is present) is not activating fuel 
enrichment. Could also be that there is little or NO boost present (the 
wastegate stuck open or the EGR hanging open). That is ALMOST never the 
result of the fuel injection pump being "out."


You need the help of someone that understands THAT engine. Measure boost 
at full load at 2000 rpm! Should be between 10-12 psi. Someone that 
occasionally works on them may not really even know how to test the car.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] a thing of beauty

[John Ervine]

Kaleb C. Striplin, Okiebenz wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-240D-240-D-Complete-Rebuilt-Engine_W0QQitemZ110001825533QQihZ001QQcategoryZ33615QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


They look even better with a customized rebuilt injection pump hanging on the 
side, too.


http://www.mbdiesel.net/car_repair_photos/240D/MotorInstall/DSCN0002.jpg

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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 180+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi
1972 220 278+kmi

[MBZ] a thing of beauty

[Kaleb C. Striplin, Okiebenz]

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 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL,
 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Ethanol from the WSJ

[ned kleinhenz]

I tried, but I just couldn't let this one alone...


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote that bio-ethanol is generally an impractical and
prohibitively expensive idea.  This sounds to me like prime propaganda from
the petroleum industry.



I am still questioning the real climatologic and environmental affects of
burning fossil fuels.  But I think it is not right for the next generation
to use up all of this one resource.  Just because no solution seems perfect,
we should do nothing about this problem?  The solution to living without
petroleum will probably include a number of new energy sources.  And
bio-ethanol, bio-butanol or bio-diesel are just pieces in the assortment of
technologies we need to develop.  No one is saying all petroleum based fuels
could be replaced by ethanol alone.



And the claim that it takes more petroleum energy to make a gallon of
ethanol than that ethanol contains is patently false.  Of course "The most
widely cited research on this subject comes from Cornell's David Pimental
and Berkeley's Ted Patzek."  These guys have great publicity machines.  Most
non-petroleum engineers in the fuels industry have dismissed the Pimental
and Patzek findings as a misuse of obsolete data.  Most people in the
bio-fuels industry reviewed and accept the USDA research that shows a 30 to
40% net gain between corn seed to gas tank by using ethanol from modern
agricultural, fermentation and distillation methods.  And this whole
comparison needs to be put into the context that it takes a lot of energy to
retrieve and convert a barrel of crude into petroleum products.   In fact,
the cost of making bio ethanol is very attractive compared to $70/barrel
crude.



Finally – I think we need something akin to the space race to develop
American based alternative energy sources.  All of the technologies our
economy prospered with in recent decades were developed in the space
race.  Let's
reload that scientific machine and do it again.  I believe Asia is already
doing this.  Dare we race them?  I would rather spend my tax dollars on
developing new technology than on the military might it will take to secure
enough petroleum for our future.  ( besides, wouldn't it be fun to tell OPEC
to go F*** themselves by making them obsolete?)



There are many other aspects I could go on about.  But I think I made my
point.

Down off the soap box and back to Mercedes specific technical discussions.



Thanks you,

Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo Fuel Pump on Ebay or a problem with

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

IIRC-specs for the 2.5t are 12.x seconds.
Dwight


Dwight Giles, Jr
1979 240D auto, 250K + miles
1990 300D 2.5t, 130K miles
Wickford, RI

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co.


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Morrison
Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 10:04 PM
To: Mercedes Benz List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo Fuel Pump on Ebay or a problem with


"Your mechanic is there and has worked on the car so he's one up on me,
BUT.

The symptoms you describe are almost NEVER the injection pump. They
almost always relate to air intake, EGR, vacuum modulation of the
wastegate, pressure signals to the ALDA or the computer that controls
the emissions system and engine idle. If any of these is outside the
correct range, the engine WILL surge - even with a PERFECT injection
pump.

What is the acceleration time from 0-62 mph??"


Well, I took it out on Interstate 94 tonight and "drove it like I stole
it". Marshall it goes 0 to 62 mph in seventeen seconds.  Good or bad?

Bob Morrison
223 Buchanan Ave.
Kalamazoo, MI
49001-5326
(269) 381-0639


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[MBZ] this rust free new mexico 115 project might actually be worth fixing

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board

[Fmiser]

rumor has it that Jim wrote:

> Nobody has been able to fix one, but not much is
> known about their construction.

> The board has four pins on it that connect to the instrument
> cluster.  I assume that these are power, ground, input, and lamp
> output.  They are labeled KL15, KL31, GEBER, and AUSG.

It sounds to me like you have the data you need to build your own
replacement. That is, you know what the input is - and what the output
needs to be.

So how about just building your own comparitor/timer rather than trying
to repair the unknown.

Just a thought.

-- Philip, can't really help 'cause I don't have one of those cars.

Re: [MBZ] 300D 2.5 Turbo Fuel Pump on Ebay or a problem with

[Bob Morrison]

"Your mechanic is there and has worked on the car so he's one up on me,
BUT.

The symptoms you describe are almost NEVER the injection pump. They
almost always relate to air intake, EGR, vacuum modulation of the
wastegate, pressure signals to the ALDA or the computer that controls
the emissions system and engine idle. If any of these is outside the
correct range, the engine WILL surge - even with a PERFECT injection pump.

What is the acceleration time from 0-62 mph??"


Well, I took it out on Interstate 94 tonight and "drove it like I stole it".
Marshall it goes 0 to 62 mph in seventeen seconds.  Good or bad?

Bob Morrison
223 Buchanan Ave.
Kalamazoo, MI
49001-5326
(269) 381-0639

Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 ad-naseum

[Mitch Haley]

ned kleinhenz wrote:
> 
> Had a grand oil change yesterday.  Replaced the oil in 4 of the 7 vehicles
> my family drives.
> Three of the changes were in German cars:
> a 124 using 7.5 qrts
> a 123 using 8.0 qrts and
> a BMW using 4.5 qrts.
> 
> I already had a 5 qrt jug of the "real" Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W 40 stuff.
> To get 15 more quartes I looked at 4 truck stops and 3 auto parts stores for
> some 0W 40 or 5W 40 Turbo Diesel Mobil 1, but found none.  Then at Wally
> Mart I found some 15W 50 M1 and bought 3 each 5 qrt jugs.  After I got home,
> I noticed the Wally world oil was the more expensive EP stuff, and it is not
> rated CI-4; CF-4 or CG-4.  But it is CD and ACEA B3/B4.  It was all I had,
> so I used it anyway.  Is this stuff OK for 617 and 606 diesels?
> 
> What the heck is the deal here? When I later checked both the Mobil 1 and
> the BMW web sites, neither company recommends any of the Mobile 1 synthetics
> for the BMW M20 engine.  

If the BeeEmVay is fairly new, it's probably supposed to have GC spec lube in
it. There's a GC topic on this board:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/cgi/ultimatebb.cgi

15w50 M1 is fine in 617 and 601/602/603 engines, and likely the 606 as well. 
I think my 300SD calls for SE or SF rated oil, so SL/CD far exceeds that spec.
If you can't find 5w40 truck and suv, you should be able to find Delvac 1 at
the truck shops.

Re: [MBZ] Okie Q Updates/Photos

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I was too busy to take pics, MMM is usually the guy taking pics, not 
sure if he did or not.


Bob Rentfro wrote:


Those of us who couldn't attend are expexting, within reason, updates of antics 
and any important photos when warrented.

I'm sure you're aware of this, Okie Q Host-boy?

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 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D,
 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

[MBZ] Mobil 1 ad-naseum

[ned kleinhenz]

Had a grand oil change yesterday.  Replaced the oil in 4 of the 7 vehicles
my family drives.
Three of the changes were in German cars:
a 124 using 7.5 qrts
a 123 using 8.0 qrts and
a BMW using 4.5 qrts.

I already had a 5 qrt jug of the "real" Mobil 1 Truck and SUV 5W 40 stuff.
To get 15 more quartes I looked at 4 truck stops and 3 auto parts stores for
some 0W 40 or 5W 40 Turbo Diesel Mobil 1, but found none.  Then at Wally
Mart I found some 15W 50 M1 and bought 3 each 5 qrt jugs.  After I got home,
I noticed the Wally world oil was the more expensive EP stuff, and it is not
rated CI-4; CF-4 or CG-4.  But it is CD and ACEA B3/B4.  It was all I had,
so I used it anyway.  Is this stuff OK for 617 and 606 diesels?

What the heck is the deal here? When I later checked both the Mobil 1 and
the BMW web sites, neither company recommends any of the Mobile 1 synthetics
for the BMW M20 engine.  And Exxon-Mobil seems to have made unavailable any
of their synthetic products that are recommended for our  Mercedes diesels.
What kind of marketing stategy is this?

Ned Kleinhenz
'95 E300D x2
'85 300D
'80 300TD
also
'89 BMW 325ic
'91 Ford Escort Pony
'97 Chrysler T&C LXi

Re: [MBZ] TC Tensioner

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
Is it recommended to replace the tensioner at the same time as the TC?  ('91 
300D - 602-962 engine)


It is usual to replace the tensioner when the chain is worn (more than 4 
degrees).


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Seats 91 300D W124

[Marshall Booth]

LarryT wrote:
I have a issue of The Star that tells how to rebuild a seat bottom - but I 
was wondering if it would work to switch the seat bottoms right for left and 
vice versa?  Since the drivers seat is the only one worn a bit -


Yes, that's practical.

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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Timing chain and fuel mileage

[Marshall Booth]

ned kleinhenz wrote:

I'm considering replacing the timing chain on my '95 E300D.  It is stretched
2.5 deg.
I know it can still go a while before replacement, but would replace it now
if a new one could significantly improve my fuel economy.

I'm currently getting like 32 or 33 mpg.  Assuming $3 per gallon of fuel, if
a $100 timing chain improves fuel economy by 1 mpg, it would pay for itself
in less than 20,000 mi. (and that is only 6 or 8 months for me.)

Seems like Marshall or someone once stated some rough correlation between
chain stretch and mpg's.  Does anyone remember the numbers?


Small changes in valve or injection timing have very minor influence on 
fuel consumption. More noticeable when stretch exceeds about 5 degrees.


Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Cricket Sounds....

[Mitch Haley]

LT Don wrote:
> 
> Want to really freak folks out?  Get a Benz high mile badge and put it on
> the Acura!
> 

I can recall somebody saying that he got chewed out for puting stars on his
ugly truck. It was a G-wagon, IIRC. 
Another guy put Lexus SUV badges on his fully loaded (leather seats etc)
Toyota Tacoma, claimed that people went to the local dealer trying to buy
Lexus pickups like his. "Don't tell me Lexus doesn't make pickups, I saw
one on the street yesterday".
When I was about twelve, I noticed that the local egg farm had a medium
duty MBZ truck, I used to watch for it when we'd drive by.

Mitch.

Re: [MBZ] Halogen 9004 Bulbs

[Mitch Haley]

I know if you upgrade to euro lamps there are hotter, more efficient, but 
shorter
lived bulbs available. I'm not sure if bulbs like that exist in 9004 series. 
As mentioned earlier, the connectors are barely adequate for standard wattage,
more wattage just cooks the connectors without really producing more light. 
Mitch.