Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck SUV
Curt Raymond wrote: Yup, 90 miles a day. Analysis at ~5000 miles showed soot at .6% but grade had fallen to 40. I think I was sloppy and didn't get all the old conventional oil out, it was February, I was working outside, sue me. I took another sample when I changed at ~7300 miles, we'll see what that shows. Changing the oil when the soot level is 0.6% is wasting more than 2/3rds of the soot suspension standard that Mercedes sets (which is 1/2 of what most manufacturers set as a limit). If soot levels increase in a linear manner (may or may not) then based on what you've said, the oil is likely to be changed after~ 15,000+ miles. I don't have ANY idea what grade had fallen to 40 means, but in a properly running Mercedes diesel, soot capacity is by far the most challenging spec. when running a group IV or IV/V synthetic oil. Base number even after 25-30kmi should still be entirely adequate even using a CF rated oil and with a CH-4 or CI-4 oil it should last a LOT longer. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
Curt Raymond wrote: Has anybody ever gotten a shop to use one of the alternate refridgerants? If I owned the shop, and I was set up for R12 reclaiming (I'd have to be in order to do R12-134a conversions) I'd suck out your R12 and replace it with whatever you wanted if you provided me with the refrigerant, conversion fittings, and adapter so I could hook the cans up to my hoses. After that, you'd be on your own if I wasn't set up for Autofrost reclaiming. Autofrost is trying to sell shops on the idea of not recycling refrigerants in house, just reclaim everything into the same cylinder and send the cylinder into a proper recycling shop. Simple, and the shop only needs to have one reclaiming setup for all. Beats having the mystery fluid out of the previous customer's car sold to you as R12. I'm still undecided on my 16v and 300SD. I can go w/o A/C (if I remove it, I save weight and gain room for an intercooler) or I can go with Cathey-Cool or Autofrost until I'm sure the car is worthy of my last few lbs of R12. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
Ok, so I stopped by the local outdoor store, but became confused by the dizzying array of propane/butane/isobutane etc. and beat a hasty retreat back into my car and a thumb-sucking fetal position. I thought I wanted straight isobutane, which they don't carry. There were some mixtures of all three and others with just isobutane and propane. Now it looks like it's ok for the latter, but not the former--correct? I've been chemically challenged since 1965, so please have pity on me. Thanks for the NAPA tip. They had to locate a secret squirrel stash up in the attic, but eventually found some mineral oil for me. On 6/27/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DIY, my man. We're talking about something like $50/car if you have the tools. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] 9 blade fan
I see Rusty offers a 9 blade plastic radiator fan for the 123s, compared to the stock 6 blade aluminum one. Has anyone tried the 9 blade one to see if it offers any noticeable cooling improvement? Is it noisier? It's quieter. The SDL was forcibly upgraded when it got its new clutch. (As the old metal-fan rated clutch was NLA.) It's supposed to cool better, too. It has asymmetrical blade spacing so that it doesn't howl as much. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Oil thread
M1 15W50 has greatly reduced the oil consumption in my BS Quantum new mower (now six or more years old). Runs like a champ, I change it every year or so... Peter
[MBZ] Tales
Curt posted, in part: Last month at camp Dad and I were getting out the lawnmower so we could mow where we were planning to plant trees If you are going to complete with Van Cleef with tales of your youth, or maybe last week, you are going to have to become much more verbose. His record stands at 1364 words in one post, as I recall. Topic was fencing, I think. RLE
Re: [MBZ] 9 blade fan
Jim, do you know if the 9 blade fan will fit the stock 123 clutch? Peter - Original Message - From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 7:18 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 9 blade fan I see Rusty offers a 9 blade plastic radiator fan for the 123s, compared to the stock 6 blade aluminum one. Has anyone tried the 9 blade one to see if it offers any noticeable cooling improvement? Is it noisier? It's quieter. The SDL was forcibly upgraded when it got its new clutch. (As the old metal-fan rated clutch was NLA.) It's supposed to cool better, too. It has asymmetrical blade spacing so that it doesn't howl as much. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006
Re: [MBZ] 9 blade fan
Just as long as it doesn't sound like a late-'70's Datsun Z-car. Man, those fans sounded like a jet taking off...whaash Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] Replacing Vacuum Pump Driver
Rusty is sending me a new injection timing device for my 606 engine because the vacuum pump cam of the old one is in bad shape. I've been fretting over the special tools and procedures needed to RR the injection pump as the shop manual says is requred to replace the injection timing device. But then it occured to me - Do I really need to replace the entire timing device? Just because I have to buy the whole enchilada to get a new vacuum pump cam, do I have to use the whole thing? I have no reason to suspect there is anything wrong with the FI pump end of the existing timing device. Can the vacuum pump cam be replaced by just locking the FI pump shaft and backing out the left hand thread bolt in the center of the cam? Ned Kleinhenz '95 E300Dx2 '85 300D '80 300TD
[MBZ] A/C Stuff
Hi, Curt et al. I have a vacuum pump and guages, power and a driveway to use but very little experience with the new fangled freezy kids stuff Fred Moir Lynn MA Deez Doze An' Dat Diesulz - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 01:25:36 2006 Received: from ultra.securenet-server.net ([65.254.32.178]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52) id 1FvOoC-0004KK-Al for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:25:36 + Received: from c-71-192-119-176.hsd1.ma.comcast.net ([71.192.119.176] helo=JABBERWOCKY.wrxtra.com) by ultra.securenet-server.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FvOnq-0004lb-ET for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:25:15 -0400 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.0.16 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:25:14 -0400 To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com From: J.B. Hebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-7E233E67 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ultra.securenet-server.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - okiebenz.com X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - wrxtra.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:25:36 - No, unfortunately. I purchased the car with 165,000 miles. I do have the service history, including oil changes performed at the dealer, but that doesn't mean much. If the gauge checks out, I'll probably be dropping the pan. THanks, J.B. At 03:52 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: Have you owned maintained the car since new? I had a 280S that the PO failed to have regular oil changes - the intake screen on the oil pump pickup was partially clogged with debris and it would act as you describe as it starved for oil. Had another used MB with similar symptoms that had a main bearing fail. Those are extreme possibilities - especially if the maintanence history is questionable - checking the gauge 1st is the prudent thing to do. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: J.B. Hebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure Grrr... totally forgot to mention the car is a '95 E300D with 214,000 miles running on M1 5W40. At 12:18 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: On my way into work today my low oil light came on. Oil pressure was fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went out. A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to fall. When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted to the side of the road. The low oil light had not come back on again. I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of a problem. I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and max on the dipstick. I restarted the car and the oil pressure went to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased. After 10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the motor off again. The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil pump or any other issues. It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and pegs the needle quickly. There are no odd sounds, smells, or sights. Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car recently. I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong. Even if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing.
Re: [MBZ] Replacing Vacuum Pump Driver
ned kleinhenz wrote: Can the vacuum pump cam be replaced by just locking the FI pump shaft and backing out the left hand thread bolt in the center of the cam? Not according to the manual! They are not always correct though. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
Got home late tonight, so I didn't have time to put it up on ramps and check the sender and gauge. However, I did pull the new filter out and it was, unfortunately, fine. The stem O-rings were intact and pliable, and the top and bottom filter gaskets were in place. The oil canister was clean and free of any obvious blockage or other issues. I will check the gauge tomorrow. Does anyone know what size the oil sender thread is in case I have to try another gauge? I'd like to have everything I need to hook it up. Thanks, J.B. At 12:18 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: On my way into work today my low oil light came on. Oil pressure was fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went out. A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to fall. When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted to the side of the road. The low oil light had not come back on again. I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of a problem. I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and max on the dipstick. I restarted the car and the oil pressure went to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased. After 10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the motor off again. The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil pump or any other issues. It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and pegs the needle quickly. There are no odd sounds, smells, or sights. Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car recently. I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong. Even if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing. It appears that the oil is not flowing back down to the sump quickly enough and the pump is sucking air. I'm having the vehicle towed home for further diagnosis, but welcome any suggestions. Thanks, J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006
[MBZ] [Fwd: 9 blade fan]
Original Message Subject: 9 blade fan Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:47:18 -0500 From: P. D. Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see Rusty has a 9 blade plastic radiator fan available for the 123s. Has anyone tried one in place of the stock aluminum fan to see if there is any noticeable improvement in engine cooling? Any extra noise? Peter Ferguson 1983 300TD
[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: 1985 300CD Seat locking problem solved, sort of...]
Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Seat locking problem solved, sort of... Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:09:28 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone have a 1092-1985 300CD they are parting out? I need up to four seat servos (two under each front seat) that lock the backs of the bucket seats into position. On 5/16/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each seat back unlocks properly when a door is opened or the release button on the side of the chair is pressed, but the linkages will not move by themselves into the locking position (although they will stay there once I slide the hooked lever into place). Is it possible there is a problem in the locking circuit only? There is no unlocking 'circuit', it's spring-loaded, much like the fuel flap. Either both sides got equally sticky (not!) or there is a small leak getting started that's siphoning off just enough vacuum to prevent it from working right. Getcher MityVac out! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] [Fwd: Re: 1985 300CD Seat locking problem solved, sort of...]
Original Message Subject:Re: [MBZ] 1985 300CD Seat locking problem solved, sort of... Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:36:47 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] That should be 1982 - 1985... On 6/27/06, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have a 1092-1985 300CD they are parting out? I need up to four seat servos (two under each front seat) that lock the backs of the bucket seats into position. On 5/16/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Each seat back unlocks properly when a door is opened or the release button on the side of the chair is pressed, but the linkages will not move by themselves into the locking position (although they will stay there once I slide the hooked lever into place). Is it possible there is a problem in the locking circuit only? There is no unlocking 'circuit', it's spring-loaded, much like the fuel flap. Either both sides got equally sticky (not!) or there is a small leak getting started that's siphoning off just enough vacuum to prevent it from working right. Getcher MityVac out! -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net http://www.striplin.net/ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
What car are we talking about here? J.B. Hebert wrote: On my way into work today my low oil light came on. Oil pressure was fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went out. A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to fall. When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted to the side of the road. The low oil light had not come back on again. I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of a problem. I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and max on the dipstick. I restarted the car and the oil pressure went to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased. After 10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the motor off again. The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil pump or any other issues. It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and pegs the needle quickly. There are no odd sounds, smells, or sights. Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car recently. I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong. Even if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing. It appears that the oil is not flowing back down to the sump quickly enough and the pump is sucking air. I'm having the vehicle towed home for further diagnosis, but welcome any suggestions. Thanks, J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
could be a sending unit problem J.B. Hebert wrote: Grrr... totally forgot to mention the car is a '95 E300D with 214,000 miles running on M1 5W40. At 12:18 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: On my way into work today my low oil light came on. Oil pressure was fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went out. A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to fall. When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted to the side of the road. The low oil light had not come back on again. I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of a problem. I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and max on the dipstick. I restarted the car and the oil pressure went to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased. After 10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the motor off again. The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil pump or any other issues. It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and pegs the needle quickly. There are no odd sounds, smells, or sights. Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car recently. I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong. Even if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing. It appears that the oil is not flowing back down to the sump quickly enough and the pump is sucking air. I'm having the vehicle towed home for further diagnosis, but welcome any suggestions. Thanks, J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
I am using autofrost, works great. You have to have a license to buy it though. Forget doing any AC work unless you have a vacuum pump and guages at the min. Curt Raymond wrote: Has anybody ever gotten a shop to use one of the alternate refridgerants? I'd like to use Autofrost but don't have the space or tools (no vacuum pump and more importantly nowhere to plug it in) to do it myself. I'd like to find somebody who could do it, I'd pick up the AutoFrost and have somebody else to do the work. Even better would be somebody who'd let me help so I could see how its done. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:10:58 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But also consider an alternative like Envirosafe ES12a, see http://autorefrigerants.com/. This is probably a DIY solution. I tried ES12a recently and was very pleased. They also sell hoses that connect to the R12 low side as well as a dryer product and little gizmos to check AC oil quality/quantity. I haven't tried their sealer products. There are other refrigerants, like Freeze 12 but I haven't tried them. They have a kit with 3 cans and a hose for $70 as I recall. No need to change the oil (stay with mineral oil) and the pressures are same or lower than R12, both are big advantages in my mind. - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
I forgot, is this the E300? Do those things have piston cooling jets? Seems like 1995 was not a turbo year. If a cooling jet fell off, I wonder how much oil pressure would escape from the hole? Another possibility (on any engine) is loss of an oil galley plug. Happened to my Dad's 1973 Ford P/U, he left it idling for half an hour and when he returned it was making an awful clatter. He paid $$ hundreds in labor to replace a $3 part. Ford was not interested in a policy adjustment for an engine defect on a six year old truck. Dad hasn't bought a Ford since, and never will. I was amazed the engine still seemed to run normally after that. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
The '95 E300D (OM606). At 09:51 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: What car are we talking about here? J.B. Hebert wrote: On my way into work today my low oil light came on. Oil pressure was fine, so I continued on another minute or 2 and the light went out. A few miles later I noticed that my oil pressure had started to fall. When it dipped below .5 bar, I shut off the motor and coasted to the side of the road. The low oil light had not come back on again. I popped the hood and checked for leaks or any indication of a problem. I found no leaks, and the oil level was between min and max on the dipstick. I restarted the car and the oil pressure went to about 1.2 bar, but would not go higher as RPMs increased. After 10 seconds or so of running it started to drop again so I shut the motor off again. The vehicle has shown no signs of a failing oil pump or any other issues. It normally idles around 1.8 to 2 bar and pegs the needle quickly. There are no odd sounds, smells, or sights. Now, I changed the oil filter last night (Mann filter, just like always), which is the only thing I've done to the car recently. I have no idea if it's coincidence or not, but I plan on pulling the filter tonight to see if I can see anything wrong. Even if the filter was faulty and stopped oil flow, there is a filter bypass so I should not have seen the symptoms I'm seeing. It appears that the oil is not flowing back down to the sump quickly enough and the pump is sucking air. I'm having the vehicle towed home for further diagnosis, but welcome any suggestions. Thanks, J.B. Hebert -- Current Vehicles: '76 Ford Bronco '78 Volvo 262C Bertone V8 '80 Alpina B7 Turbo Coupe '82 Mercedes 300CD (Deceased) '93 GMC Sierra 2500 '95 Mercedes E300D -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 6/26/2006
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
Ok, went back to the outdoor store and bought up their supply of isobutane/propane mixtures (4 cans), but I still need to figure out the best way to On 6/27/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am using autofrost, works great. You have to have a license to buy it though. Forget doing any AC work unless you have a vacuum pump and guages at the min. Curt Raymond wrote: Has anybody ever gotten a shop to use one of the alternate refridgerants? I'd like to use Autofrost but don't have the space or tools (no vacuum pump and more importantly nowhere to plug it in) to do it myself. I'd like to find somebody who could do it, I'd pick up the AutoFrost and have somebody else to do the work. Even better would be somebody who'd let me help so I could see how its done. -Curt Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:10:58 -0400 From: Scott Ritchey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii But also consider an alternative like Envirosafe ES12a, see http://autorefrigerants.com/. This is probably a DIY solution. I tried ES12a recently and was very pleased. They also sell hoses that connect to the R12 low side as well as a dryer product and little gizmos to check AC oil quality/quantity. I haven't tried their sealer products. There are other refrigerants, like Freeze 12 but I haven't tried them. They have a kit with 3 cans and a hose for $70 as I recall. No need to change the oil (stay with mineral oil) and the pressures are same or lower than R12, both are big advantages in my mind. - Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
[why the hell do I do that? I sent that out before I was done composing--idiot!] Uh yes, as I was attempting to pontificate...I'm trying to figure out the best way to tap into the cans. They're much wider and squatter than your regular freon can, so my tap won't apparently work. I don't want to buy an expensive stove, just to canniballize and use for my illicit purposes. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (216k) '84 300D (214k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Gumball, was: FSM comic
It's been too long - I'm going to have to rent it --- On 6/27/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the 'vette splitting in half? Did you know there was a hole there? The old guys in the Mercedes are great. Please drive at a rate befitting our age and status in life -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] OM60X low-oil circuit board
(MB content) I was able to use my basic (student) 301 to measure and verify the output pulse from the distributor sensor on the 117.985. On 6/27/06, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: archer wrote: What would one of the old tube type in good working condition be worth? I have one but it's buried in the attic and I don't remember the name. I was concerned about getting replacement tubes but a friend who sells tubes on the internet said there would be no problem. Probably not much. Replacement tubes aren't the issue; it's the sheer bulk and weight of the thing. I gave my 503 away when I moved because I didn't want to haul it around. The bandwidth on them is low enough that they're not very useful for actual troubleshooting work, these days; they can do audio and IF frequencies in radio gear but you need at least 10 MHz to do TV work. The one I had was Navy surplus, so there probably were a lot of them kicking around at one point. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck SU
I'm only driving 45 - 50 miles per day, about 50% interstate, and at 10,000 miles the soot was 0.5%. Mobile 15w50, Oklahoma --- On 6/27/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, 90 miles a day. Analysis at ~5000 miles showed soot at .6% but grade had fallen to 40. I think I was sloppy and didn't get all the old conventional oil out, it was February, I was working outside, sue me. I took another sample when I changed at ~7300 miles, we'll see what that shows. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 12:33:05 -0400 From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck SUV To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed If you are driving 90 miles a day, I think that 10-15kmi oil change intervals MAY be possible. An oil analysis (that includes soot %) at about 7kmi should be the starting point. That could work out to a change about twice a year! Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired) -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 603 no start revisited.
I don't remember if you've checked already, but what's the compression? Getting air into the cylinders? Sounds like you have fuel, what else can it be? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Oil thread
I HATE MOWERS/MOWING. On 6/27/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M1 15W50 has greatly reduced the oil consumption in my BS Quantum new mower (now six or more years old). Runs like a champ, I change it every year or so... Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
Can anyone point me to a site with information about the 300SDL vacuum system? I'm not getting enough vacuum from the check valve tap on the brake booster line to operate the other vacuum accessories reliably. All the service manuals I've been able to locate for the car are JUNK. Are there supposed to be two ports on the vacuum pump, one for the booster and another for the other vacuum accessories? The vacuum diagram under the hood doesn't even show the brake booster line! Where am I supposed to get vacuum for the accessories? Thanks in advance! -brian
Re: [MBZ] Replacing Vacuum Pump Driver
Ah - but once you've figured out what has to be done, be sure to report back - adding that bit of knowledge to the collection --- It's a pain to be the first --- The best source(s) are the people on this list who have done the procedures before. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
Tried to take a picture for you, but I can barely see it with the radiator hose in the way. Yes - there are two ports - one for the booster, the other for the accessories. Mine (300SDL) wouldn't hold vacuum, and took quite awhile to generate vacuum after starting in the AM. I thought it might be just the check valve on top, but I ended up having to replace the pump. Are there supposed to be two ports on the vacuum pump, one for the booster and another for the other vacuum accessories? The vacuum diagram under the hood doesn't even show the brake booster line! Where am I supposed to get vacuum for the accessories? Thanks in advance! -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
Brian Smyla wrote: Can anyone point me to a site with information about the 300SDL vacuum system? I'm not getting enough vacuum from the check valve tap on the brake booster line to operate the other vacuum accessories reliably. All the service manuals I've been able to locate for the car are JUNK. Are there supposed to be two ports on the vacuum pump, one for the booster and another for the other vacuum accessories? The vacuum diagram under the hood doesn't even show the brake booster line! Where am I supposed to get vacuum for the accessories? Thanks in advance! The engine vacuum diagram is on the CD (7.1-500) as is the information on testing the pump (43-0660). http://mb.braingears.com/ Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
system? I'm not getting enough vacuum from the check valve tap on the brake booster line to operate the other vacuum accessories reliably. The only thing on the booster's tap is the brown line for the engine shutoff. Everything else comes off the secondary vacuum output line on the vacuum pump. (An inch or so to the passenger side from the big line.) Or so it is on ours. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
Uh yes, as I was attempting to pontificate...I'm trying to figure out the best way to tap into the cans. They're much wider and squatter than your regular freon can, so my tap won't apparently work. I don't want to buy an expensive stove, just to canniballize and use for my illicit purposes. Until I found my expensive stove for cheap at Goodwill, I made a strap out of a coat hanger that I used, in conjunction with two small vise grips, to clamp the R12 can tap to the side of the can. Then I just let it pierce the can in the side. One vise grip clamped one edge of the tap to the metal lip on the bottom of the can, the other held the band shut clamping the other end of the tap to the can. Worked great, and I never had a leak. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] A/C Stuff
I have a vacuum pump and guages, power and a driveway to use but very little experience with the new fangled freezy kids stuff Just dive right in and get some! http://cathey.dogear.com/efair.html http://cathey.dogear.com/cwair.html You will have fun. I recommend a good generic book on auto AC systems (from McFLAPS) for background information. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 9 blade fan
Jim, do you know if the 9 blade fan will fit the stock 123 clutch? No clue, sorry. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 9 blade fan
Call Rusty and ask --- On 6/27/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim, do you know if the 9 blade fan will fit the stock 123 clutch? No clue, sorry. -- Jim -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
Unless the doors,trunk and gas door is the problem then that is a different system commencing from a pump found in the spare tire well. On 6/27/06, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: system? I'm not getting enough vacuum from the check valve tap on the brake booster line to operate the other vacuum accessories reliably. The only thing on the booster's tap is the brown line for the engine shutoff. Everything else comes off the secondary vacuum output line on the vacuum pump. (An inch or so to the passenger side from the big line.) Or so it is on ours. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- John Freer Palm Springs, CA 1992 500 SEL 143K Stardust 1985 380SL 143K Blue Belle 1996 Sidekick 57K Kermit 1992 500SL 108K unnamed
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
Jim Cathey wrote: Until I found my expensive stove for cheap at Goodwill, I made a strap out of a coat hanger that I used, in conjunction with two small vise grips, to clamp the R12 can tap to the side of the can. How about a vise grip on the bottom rim of the can and a large hose clamp up above?
Re: [MBZ] Do any shops in the NW do R12 A/C service anymore?
How about a vise grip on the bottom rim of the can and a large hose clamp up above? Sure! I just didn't have a hose clamp that large, and it was quicker to flange one up out of wire than to go get one. Once I had it, then I didn't need the hose clamp anymore, so I never did go get one. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Oil thread
A broken connecting rod is no big deal, I got my Cub Cadet for $50 because it had thrown a rod, but throwing it out through the block is a much bigger event. My only suspicion is that the piston siezed suddenly and the rod started to bend so when it failed the pent up energy was enough for the shrapnel to shoot out through the block. $380 later and a new motor is on its way. 1/3 the cost of a replacement mower and the new one is 13 1/2hp rather than 13. The old White that we have for a backup mower had almost no compression left before I started using Mobil 1 in it. I expect it ran rich for years and built up quite a supply of carbon around the rings, now it runs pretty good... -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:42:48 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil thread To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Curt wrote: the MTD had thrown a rod CLEAN OUT THE SIDE OF THE ENGINE Hi Curt, My Craftsman pushmower did something similar - pulled the rope and it was *very* easy to pull - it appears the rod has broken allowing the crank to turn without creating any compression - It might be worth fixin but when the grass needs cutting, time is important so we bought a new mower. When I get time (yeah, right) I might pull it apart to see how bad it is - and to check the prices of con rods. I try to use M1 in my mowers to but it sounds like they make more engine noise with it - but it might be my paranoia . Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 13:14:21 2006 Received: from web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.39]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FvZs4-0002NK-Rn for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:14:21 + Received: (qmail 84415 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2006 13:14:11 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32809.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:14:11 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:14:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:14:21 - Clogged pickup screens are pretty common on old tractors that had been run for years with non-detergent oil, any dirt or crud that got into the engine settled into the oil pan. Common practice when switching to detergent oil is to drop the pan and scrape the crud out. Guess what I need to do on my tractor this fall? -Curt '52 Farmall Super M Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:52:19 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Have you owned maintained the car since new? I had a 280S that the PO failed to have regular oil changes - the intake screen on the oil pump pickup was partially clogged with debris and it would act as you describe as it starved for oil. Had another used MB with similar symptoms that had a main bearing fail. Those are extreme possibilities - especially if the maintanence history is questionable - checking the gauge 1st is the prudent thing to do. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. From [EMAIL
Re: [MBZ] Tales
This still pretty much is my youth, at least I keep telling myself that. Funny how turning 30 didn't really hit me until months later. I try, oh how I try, to cut back my stories. Somehow it works when I'm talking but when I'm writing, not so much... -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 20:19:52 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Tales To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Curt posted, in part: ? Last month at camp Dad and I were getting out the lawnmower so we could mow where we were planning to plant trees If you are going to complete with Van Cleef with tales of your youth, or maybe last week, you are going to have to become much more verbose. His record stands at 1364 words in one post, as I recall. Topic was fencing, I think. RLE - Want to be your own boss? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 13:39:44 2006 Received: from web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.206.42]) by server8.arterytc8.net with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FvaGe-0004XT-5h for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:39:44 + Received: (qmail 11212 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Jun 2006 13:39:37 - Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from [198.51.119.130] by web32812.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:39:36 PDT Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:39:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.7.cp2 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gumball X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:39:44 - For as much as I hate Wal-Mart I got Gumball Rally and Cannonball Run II on one DVD for $10. Cannonball Run II stinks but Gumball Rally is worth $10. -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:06:01 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gumball, was: FSM comic To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed It's been too long - I'm going to have to rent it --- On 6/27/06, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about the 'vette splitting in half? Did you know there was a hole there? The old guys in the Mercedes are great. Please drive at a rate befitting our age and status in life -Curt -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 13:45:01 2006 Received: from mxa.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.40]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FvaLl-0005AN-Dd for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:45:01 + Received: from dogear.com (jimc.progress.wi-fi.windwireless.net [206.63.94.197] (may be forged)) by mxa.windwireless.net (8.12.9/8.12.9) with ESMTP id k5SDjdj8023068 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:45:39 -0700 Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:44:54 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Virus-Scan: smtp-vilter X-SMTP-Vilter-Version: 1.1.0rc2 X-SMTP-Vilter-Backend: Clam AntiVirus Daemon (clamd) X-SMTP-Vilter-Status: clean X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0rc4 (mxa.windwireless.net [199.164.167.40]); Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:45:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil thread X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil thread
Oaklahoma is pretty dry though right? Lotta dust while you mow if you haven't been watering? I like mowing, hate mowers. Any mower made in the last 20 years was made as cheap as possible. I need to finish the deck for my Cub Cadet, thats a real mower... The most fun mowing is taking down 1-4 poplar trees (Quaking Aspen for those not in New England) with the 6' bushhog behind the Farmall. If I can get the wheel of the Farmall to push it over the bushhog will eat it. Worst mowing was the time a skunk was hiding in the bushes I hit... Ohh that stank (pun intended). -Curt Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:26:09 -0500 From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil thread To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I HATE MOWERS/MOWING. On 6/27/06, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: M1 15W50 has greatly reduced the oil consumption in my BS Quantum new mower (now six or more years old). Runs like a champ, I change it every year or so... Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs.Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jun 28 13:55:43 2006 Received: from mail.spam-virus-intercept.com ([207.206.203.10]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1FvaW7-0005wB-0o for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:55:43 + Received: from [192.168.1.100] (12-216-23-233.client.mchsi.com [12.216.23.233]) by MAIL.spam-virus-intercept.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.35.477.13) with ESMTP id [EMAIL PROTECTED] for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:55:29 -0500 X-Modus-BlackList: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]@pop3.dwx.com Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:56:35 -0500 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com From: Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] SD TRANS QUESTION X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.7.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 13:55:43 - On my 82 SD, I have a strange trans issue that shows up only after running a couple hundred miles, shutting down, then starting up again. On restart, the trans sometimes shifts late out of second, and very late or not at all, out of third, even surpassing the marked shift point on the speedometer. USUALLY I can get it to shift by backing all the way off the throttle, but generally the car slows down quite a bit before the eventual upshift. Also, it will downshift into third from fourth far sooner than it needs. Cruising at 70 and encountering a slight grade can cause it to do so. My indy checked the vacuum valves (flaps) and found they were fine. He said the problem would be caused by something internal to the transmission, and did a transmission flush. Shift quality improved, with a noticeably firmer 2-3 shift, but the issue remains. This trans is a rebuilt '85 unit, according to the P.O., who said he specified a later year trans to avoid the B-2 issue. When driven shorter distances or around town, the trans behaves fine. It's only on long trips that the problem shows up. Also, I have recently noticed that the shifter sometimes will not go past N into R or P. Worn shifter bushings? Could there be a connection? Thanks, all. Dan -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 270k
Re: [MBZ] SD TRANS QUESTION
Transmission is shot. I'll give you $501. Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: On my 82 SD, I have a strange trans issue that shows up only after running a couple hundred miles, shutting down, then starting up again. On restart, the trans sometimes shifts late out of second, and very late or not at all, out of third, even surpassing the marked shift point on the speedometer. USUALLY I can get it to shift by backing all the way off the throttle, but generally the car slows down quite a bit before the eventual upshift. Also, it will downshift into third from fourth far sooner than it needs. Cruising at 70 and encountering a slight grade can cause it to do so. My indy checked the vacuum valves (flaps) and found they were fine. He said the problem would be caused by something internal to the transmission, and did a transmission flush. Shift quality improved, with a noticeably firmer 2-3 shift, but the issue remains. This trans is a rebuilt '85 unit, according to the P.O., who said he specified a later year trans to avoid the B-2 issue. When driven shorter distances or around town, the trans behaves fine. It's only on long trips that the problem shows up. Also, I have recently noticed that the shifter sometimes will not go past N into R or P. Worn shifter bushings? Could there be a connection? Thanks, all. Dan -- Dan Weeks 82 VW Westfalia 1.6 TD conversion 186k 82 Mercedes 300SD, 270k -- Luther KB5QHU Alma, Ark '83 300SD (235kmi WVO/diesel mix) '82 300CD (160kmi) '82 300D (74kmi needs block or engine)
Re: [MBZ] 603 no start revisited.
I had a trapped air problem in my S350 that I fixed by loosening the injector lines at the top of the injector, then cranking until fuel squirted out. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 6/27/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1987 300 TD As you may remember, several list members have made various suggestions of things to check. The problem appears to be internal to the Inj pump. There is good fuel flow through the filters. (no algae) Filters were replaced anyway. just to be certain we eliminated many sources of possible problems, I put an electric fuel pump ahead of the transfer pump, took off the oil filler cap to eliminate the possibility of crankcase pressure buildup, removed the IP side cover and manually held the rack to the full delivery position with the vacuum disconnected to the shut off. In this test, we got continuous flow through the pump and out the return line, but not enough fuel to start and run to the injector nozzles (tested by cracking the lines and comparing to the SDL engine) I tested the shut-off valve with a mighty vac and it appears to be working correctly. The rack pulls to the no-fuel position with the vacuum applied, and returns to a partial delivery position with the vacuum released. Next weekend I am going to try replacing the copper seals and o-rings on the delivery valves, but I am running out of ideas. I believe holding the rack to full open will eliminate any influence of the mechanical governor. Each element of the pump operates off its own lobe of the cam, so it is unlikely that the cam had a massive failure. since fuel is flowing out of the IP overflow at the filter, I believe there can't be air pockets in the pump. Does anyone else have any ideas? If a copper seal is bad, would that affect all the elements, or just one? Loren (frustrated, cause I think this is something simple) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 603 no start revisited.
Sounds like you're getting into oddball territory. I'd throw my hat in the ring for sucking air. On the 77 240D I acquired the PO had added a Racor fuel/water filter. The line from the device to the screen filter was a bit too tight and had developed a slight hole/tear. Not so much as to leak, but enough that the pump would suck air. Have you changed all fuel lines and blown out the steel parts? Don't remember if you've looked at the tank screen yet, I'd check that too. My $0.02 Bill Harris 77 240D-single tank WVO system 79 240D-single tank WVO system -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Loren Faeth Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 6:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 no start revisited. Compression is fine. First the engine ran fine, then would not run over 1000 rpm, then the engine would start, run for about 2 seconds, then die from fuel starvation. This was over a span of about an hour. cracking the injector lines with the rack at full fuel shows almost no fuel being delivered to the nozzles. Peter's air bubble theory makes sense, but where did the bubble come from and why didn't it purge when i had an additional electric fuel pump in the system? There was only fuel coming from the return line, no air. At 10:20 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: I don't remember if you've checked already, but what's the compression? Getting air into the cylinders? Sounds like you have fuel, what else can it be? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
Well if you are not getting enough vacuum from the brake booster line your pump might not be putting out enough vacuum. First thing to do is to pull off an plug each seperate vacuum system to see if that is whats leaking. Such as the trans shifting part of it, then the climate control part. If you have not done so already, the accessory line that comes off the vacuum pump goes to a 3 way splitter. You need to replaced that with a 2 way splitter and unplug the lines that go over to the passenger side of the engine for the egr and air recirc stuff. Those things over there are probably leaking and could lower your vacuum level. Brian Smyla wrote: Can anyone point me to a site with information about the 300SDL vacuum system? I'm not getting enough vacuum from the check valve tap on the brake booster line to operate the other vacuum accessories reliably. All the service manuals I've been able to locate for the car are JUNK. Are there supposed to be two ports on the vacuum pump, one for the booster and another for the other vacuum accessories? The vacuum diagram under the hood doesn't even show the brake booster line! Where am I supposed to get vacuum for the accessories? Thanks in advance! -brian ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300SDL vacuum information
Yea, when I got mine it would run everything all at once. Had low vacuum. I unhooked the lines to the passenger side as I said before and it helped. But replacing the pump is what was really needed as it was the old style pump. OK Don wrote: Tried to take a picture for you, but I can barely see it with the radiator hose in the way. Yes - there are two ports - one for the booster, the other for the accessories. Mine (300SDL) wouldn't hold vacuum, and took quite awhile to generate vacuum after starting in the AM. I thought it might be just the check valve on top, but I ended up having to replace the pump. Are there supposed to be two ports on the vacuum pump, one for the booster and another for the other vacuum accessories? The vacuum diagram under the hood doesn't even show the brake booster line! Where am I supposed to get vacuum for the accessories? Thanks in advance! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Oil thread
you apparantly dont know much about Oklahoma. No, we dont live in the desert, no we dont have to fight off them injuns. There is not much out in western oklahoma but eastern ok is green and lush, with many scenic lakes and rivers and mountains. This part of the state is called green country Curt Raymond wrote: Oaklahoma is pretty dry though right? Lotta dust while you mow if you haven't been watering? I like mowing, hate mowers. Any mower made in the last 20 years was made as cheap as possible. I need to finish the deck for my Cub Cadet, thats a real mower... The most fun mowing is taking down 1-4 poplar trees (Quaking Aspen for those not in New England) with the 6' bushhog behind the Farmall. If I can get the wheel of the Farmall to push it over the bushhog will eat it. Worst mowing was the time a skunk was hiding in the bushes I hit... Ohh that stank (pun intended). -Curt -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] SD TRANS QUESTION
The 85 trans will still have the b2, unless its a california version 722.4, then it wont. In which case it wont last nearly as long as the tranny thats supposed to be in there because its a lighter duty tranny. Dan Weeks wrote: On my 82 SD, I have a strange trans issue that shows up only after running a couple hundred miles, shutting down, then starting up again. On restart, the trans sometimes shifts late out of second, and very late or not at all, out of third, even surpassing the marked shift point on the speedometer. USUALLY I can get it to shift by backing all the way off the throttle, but generally the car slows down quite a bit before the eventual upshift. Also, it will downshift into third from fourth far sooner than it needs. Cruising at 70 and encountering a slight grade can cause it to do so. My indy checked the vacuum valves (flaps) and found they were fine. He said the problem would be caused by something internal to the transmission, and did a transmission flush. Shift quality improved, with a noticeably firmer 2-3 shift, but the issue remains. This trans is a rebuilt '85 unit, according to the P.O., who said he specified a later year trans to avoid the B-2 issue. When driven shorter distances or around town, the trans behaves fine. It's only on long trips that the problem shows up. Also, I have recently noticed that the shifter sometimes will not go past N into R or P. Worn shifter bushings? Could there be a connection? Thanks, all. Dan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
This is the E300. It is non-turbo, but does still have the piston cooling jets. However, I do not know as they can fall off. I think they are just a specific sized hole drilled in existing material, but I may be wrong. I have not detected any loss of oil anywhere, including into the coolant or bellhousing, so I have to think that it is not a galley plug. Thanks, J.B. At 10:03 PM 6/27/2006, you wrote: I forgot, is this the E300? Do those things have piston cooling jets? Seems like 1995 was not a turbo year. If a cooling jet fell off, I wonder how much oil pressure would escape from the hole? Another possibility (on any engine) is loss of an oil galley plug. Happened to my Dad's 1973 Ford P/U, he left it idling for half an hour and when he returned it was making an awful clatter. He paid $$ hundreds in labor to replace a $3 part. Ford was not interested in a policy adjustment for an engine defect on a six year old truck. Dad hasn't bought a Ford since, and never will. I was amazed the engine still seemed to run normally after that. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006
Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure
The pan was off less than 20k miles ago, so unless something odd happened I can't imagine that much buildup would have occurred that quickly. Not that I'm dismissing the clocked screen, but I would be very surprised if that was the case. If the gauge checks out, the pan will be the next thing to check. J.B. At 09:14 AM 6/28/2006, you wrote: Clogged pickup screens are pretty common on old tractors that had been run for years with non-detergent oil, any dirt or crud that got into the engine settled into the oil pan. Common practice when switching to detergent oil is to drop the pan and scrape the crud out. Guess what I need to do on my tractor this fall? -Curt '52 Farmall Super M Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:52:19 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Sudden loss of oil pressure To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Have you owned maintained the car since new? I had a 280S that the PO failed to have regular oil changes - the intake screen on the oil pump pickup was partially clogged with debris and it would act as you describe as it starved for oil. Had another used MB with similar symptoms that had a main bearing fail. Those are extreme possibilities - especially if the maintanence history is questionable - checking the gauge 1st is the prudent thing to do. Good luck - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ - Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail Beta. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 6/27/2006
Re: [MBZ] SD TRANS QUESTION
Also, I have recently noticed that the shifter sometimes will not go past N into R or P. Worn shifter bushings? Could there be a connection? Does this car have a rod to the transmission? Is it possible that bad mounts are causing enough displacement of the tranny that it's affecting the shifter linkage, and perhaps the throttle linkage to the tranny? Just a wild shot in the dark, I don't have a 617-based 126 to look at. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Mobil 1 Truck SUV
Curt Raymond wrote: I mean I had 15w50 oil in it but it was apparently only a 40wt oil when hot. I expect thats thinning due to contamination from old oil leftover in the crankcase. I was also concerned that the Iron in the oil seemed a bit high. It was only the first oil change since I'd bought the car so I'm considering it a cleanout conversion. The other thing I need to do is get the next sample tested for TBN. Larry T informs me that the TBN had been a limiting factor in his early analysis but thats before the 15w50 when to EP 15w50 so we'll see how it holds up. -Curt Don't spend any time worrying about the measured viscosity only being 40. A diesel rated oil with a viscosity of 40 has more than sufficient film strength to adequately protect your engine and MORE film strength isn't any better than enough! An engine protected by oil that's 85% group IV synthetic and 15% conventional oil will be only slightly less well protected than one that is filled with 100% synthetic. I expect that NO detriment could be found until temps got WAY below zero (F). Whenever you change the oil in your car (601.921 engine) there will be about a qt of old oil that remains in the engine. You can't get it out even if you turn the car upside down and shake it! You'd need to tear the engine completely apart to get it all out. Don't bother to try. That's all calculated into the change interval that's used. I'm pretty sure that's true of every Mercedes made since the early '70s. That means that you are mixing about 6 qt of fresh oil with one qt of old oil every time you change the oil. That's ONE reason why the oil seems black within minutes of changing the oil. The soot level does NOT drop by 100% but only by ~85% - and that much soot (that's ~0.3% if the soot level of the old oil had reached 2%) will make the oil appear black - and it only seems marginally blacker to me when the soot level reaches 2% (the color of the oil is a poor way to judge when it needs to be changed). I have no problem with you testing TBN, but if you find that it's outside the usable range, then there is something REALLY wrong with your engine. As long as the TBN is a positive number (above 2-3), then there is NO problem. Using fuel available today in the US, modern diesel rated oil should have no trouble neutralizing acid by-products for 50kmi or more (TBN is a measure of how much acid the oil can neutralize)!! Once the ULSD fuel is introduced, TBN will be even less challenged (less sulfur, less acid by-products). Currently, the primary factor limiting oil change interval in Mercedes diesels is soot levels, NOT TBN. Mercedes eliminates soot from their auto engines by changing the oil! Some makers try to filter it, and others dilute it by using 10-20X as much oil as is used in a Mercedes diesel in an engine that's only 2-3X as large as yours so the interval between oil changes can be increased 5-10X. A friend just changed from Delo 400 oil (changed every 15kmi) in his 2000 Peterbilt (with CAT C-15 engine and about 700kmi on it) to Delvac 1 and the shop suggested that he run an analysis and change filters at 25kmi and again at 50kmi. They predicted he could go at least 50kmi between changes (every 6 months rather than every month and a half). The engine sump holds 12 gallons. He expects (with just a little luck) the engine to go 1-1.5 million miles before it needs to be rebuilt. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor
$300.00 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 4:01 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor 617 589 08 21 00 Mark Maturo Rusty Cullens [EMAIL PROTECTED] .com To Sent by: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes-bounces@ mercedes@okiebenz.com okiebenz.com cc Subject 06/28/2006 03:46 Re: [MBZ] RIV sensor PM Please respond to Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] z.com If you can get me a part # I can see how much. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:17 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] RIV sensor Does anyone know of a place that rents the RIV position sensor to set the start of delivery on the inj. pump? Rusty, how much is a new one? Is there another way to set the start of delivery without the sensor? Thanks Mark Maturo * This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential and/or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this communication and destroy all copies. * ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
