Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
My 126, now just about 25 years old, has the original rubbers on. Last summer I had to take them off when I was working on my rear suspension. I couln't tear them if I had to . On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they're a couple bucks each, it'd be a close call. Brian On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks writes: OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. You can get new hangers from Rusty for a couple of bucks each. Is it really worth messing around with something else? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] New thread, used to be Re: ADMIN, foul language. Happy New Year.
Scarlet; I give a *damn* comes to mind. On 1/2/07, David Brodbeck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks wrote: I, and most given to contemplation, have analyzed what it is about certain words that makes them unacceptable in society. The four letter word could be buck just as easily as it could be fuck and if society has labeled it profane, it's profane. In that respect, you're correct - it's all relative. Many of the four-letter terms that are considered profane now were originally merely descriptive. But they were lower-class and vulgar and conveyed concepts that were not to be discussed in polite company in a more puritanical age. Profanity back then would have been the use of religiously blasphemous language. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Humidity! Brian On 1/2/07, Hans Neureiter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My 126, now just about 25 years old, has the original rubbers on. Last summer I had to take them off when I was working on my rear suspension. I couln't tear them if I had to . On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they're a couple bucks each, it'd be a close call. Brian On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zoltan Finks writes: OK, my moth-pocket self perked up upon mention of your nylon rope success. You can get new hangers from Rusty for a couple of bucks each. Is it really worth messing around with something else? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Good point. Are there inspections required of incoming vehicles of new residents in WA state? Larry wrote: also, if your state has a vehicle inspection they'll be unlikely to let rope (or metal, duct tape, etc) pass.
[MBZ] OT Winter Journey
Got home at 3AM after 1150 mile drive from Colorado to Houston, after being stuck in Pueblo for 2 days waiting for roads to open. Had to backtrack north to I70 then head east and south to get home, rather than a southeasterly heading. One little town we tried to go to on Saturday afternoon (LaJunta CO) had 15-20ft drifts, a nice cop suggested that we might be able to get there, but would not be able to get out, and there was no place to stay if we did get there. Getting through Denver from the mountains took 4 hours to go 100 miles, roads icy in spots, lots of dumbasses with their 4WD vehicles who learned rather quickly that going is easy, stopping is hard, but only after taking out 3-7 other cars with them, or rolling in the ditch a time or two. They did not learn this from seeing other similar vehicles in the ditch, from last week. Some large semi truck drivers should not be. We had some nice Roderer fizzy wine for NYEve though, to go with some quesadillas. Observations: There ain't much of anything once you get out of Denver, except wide open land across which very little snow blows very easily and collects on the roadway even more easily. There are very few towns or people, and hence few if any snow plows (even in Denver), once you leave Denver or Colorado Springs or Pueblo. Lots of dumbasses learn the hard way that 4WD does not help you stop on pack ice from a 70mph jaunt as you are passing traffic on the worse side of the road, and hit your brakes when another dumbass decides to do the same thing and cuts in front of you so the rear end becomes the front end just before the side, top, side, bottom, side, top... become the front end(s). Those little egg-shaped AWD Lexus SUV things roll really easily down embankments and in ditches, and they are pretty tough, requiring lots of power equipment to peel apart to get the occupants out. Big pick-up trucks do too, but scatter their cargo and passengers more easily. Guys with bigass Suburbans and Expeditions lose their manhood really easily when they slide them into the ditch, and their wives and kids sit there with them for a couple hours while waiting for some tow vehicle to come. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Car washes do not seem to be well-equipped here to wash salt and sand off vehicles, despite two tries, but you can get your money back. (Your guys did not wash my car well. I watched them, they didn't do the rockers or the fenders or under the roof rack where I told you all the salt had collected. If we use the lambswool mitts to wash the rockers and fender lips then when we use them on a nice new Mercedes the dirt might scratch the paint. But this is a carWASH, don't you have carWASHing implements? Yes but we can't wash really dirty cars. So what do you suggest as to how to get my truck WASHed? Well, you could do it yourself OK just give me my money back and I will go do that) Happy New Year, y'all! --R
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Its also a good idea to keep some hefty zip-ties in the trunk. I kept a whole exhaust system on a car for 600 miles when all but 1 donut was gone :) -j.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Tom Hargrave wrote: This is her second new Grand Cherokee and fourth new Chrysler Product all have performed flawlessly. I've got a 1991 cherokee that is a aquarium in the rain. Literally-- shop vac time after it rains, every time. passenger side only. -j.
[MBZ] cheap 87 300D
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-Mercedes-Benz-300D-Biodiesel_W0QQitemZ160069451467QQihZ006QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 03 01:14:35 2007 Received: from bee.hiwaay.net ([216.180.54.11]) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtps (TLSv1:DES-CBC3-SHA:168) (Exim 4.52) id 1H1uiB-kg-Bi for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:14:35 + Received: from tomrmkj2yanjy9 ([216.180.87.249]) by bee.hiwaay.net (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l031BXPP1500406 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:11:36 -0600 (CST) From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 19:11:29 -0600 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thread-Index: Accu0ZvIZUnVZhmzQrWDI7mb47VYxgAAmUmA X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp1 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: /pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 01:14:35 - You have got a serious leak somewhere - is the Jeep in the rust belt? Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John W. Reames III Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:53 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad? On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Tom Hargrave wrote: This is her second new Grand Cherokee and fourth new Chrysler Product all have performed flawlessly. I've got a 1991 cherokee that is a aquarium in the rain. Literally-- shop vac time after it rains, every time. passenger side only. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
If the exhaust is hung on all new donuts and no one's done any tweaking that would pull the exhaust out of line with the original hangers then it's next to impossible to loose one. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John W. Reames III Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 6:52 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question Its also a good idea to keep some hefty zip-ties in the trunk. I kept a whole exhaust system on a car for 600 miles when all but 1 donut was gone :) -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Checking Oil Level
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, LarryT wrote: That would seem to indicate the oil is rubbing against the sides of the tube and smearing it across the dipstick. Now that you mention it, the dipstick on my lawnmower is extremely easy to read - and it's only about 4 long and and made of hard yellow plastic - so it;s very easy to see the oil level. The newer MB's have a solution: theres a little plastic bit molded on the dipstick at max and min, so if it is anywhere between or around them, the level is undisturbed by pulling from the tube. -j.
Re: [MBZ] OT: Audi Allroad?
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, David Brodbeck wrote: How's reliability? I've been a little leery of them every since meeting a guy who had an older Cherokee, I think from the mid 90s. He had to put a new ABS pump in it roughly once a year, to the tune of several hundred bucks. Apparently it was a design flaw Chrysler wouldn't own up to. The 1990/1991 cherokees had a crappy integral (bendix-9) ABS system- integral meaning that the ABS hydraulic pressure was used for boost (a la vacuum booster)... The master cylinder (Actuator) had crappy seals that would fail allowing pressure bleed (and air suck), resulting in extended run times for the ABS pressure pump, and the pump would burn out. These things also had an accumulator that is suspiciously like the spheres used in the rear of a TD. (with similar results) The ABS actuator (and perhaps pump too) were subject of a safety recall and are subject to a secret lifetime warranty. Needless to say, no matter what any book tells you, you CANNOT buy a master cylinder for a 1991 cherokee. It was listed by bendix but was for a 1992 or later... Oh yeah, the sphere is not covered (of course), and is ~$200 last I looked. ObChrysler: the neighbors dog irrigated the left front tyre and the thing did not want to start for a week! (j/k) Other than the ABS issues and the aquarium deal, its a decent vehicle. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Who?
And yet Hank Hill had to give Marshall, and another listmember Who's Hank Hill? I musta missed that one. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Kludges
I've tired of constantly replacing the rubber donuts, and am now using nylon cord/rope - 1/4 inch or so How about coat hangers or baling wire? RLE
Re: [MBZ] No glow.
Well, the results were quite different after unplugging the connector at the relay. 1: 5.75 K Ohms 2: 0.6 Ohms 3: 0.9 Ohms 4: no reading - open circuit 5: 470 Ohms I have 2 spares on hand, guess I'll replace #1 and #4 and order a replacement for #5 plus a few spares -- is #3 on its way out, or is that within the normal range? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Kludges
I did that - until I got home and found the nylon cord. Wire breaks, rattles, has no stretch, and is too Okie. Nylon is much classier! On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've tired of constantly replacing the rubber donuts, and am now using nylon cord/rope - 1/4 inch or so How about coat hangers or baling wire? RLE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: the hangers occasionally play jump rope? What kind of knot do you tie to make things inconspicuous? (I'm not worth my salt in the area of You could take a piece of twisted rope a little more than 3x the circumference (call it 9.5X the diameter) of the ring that you need and unwrapping it. Take each of the three pieces and make a ring of the proper diameter- wrap the rope around itself and it will make a perfect rope ring. Make sure to wrap it fairly tight, go a little more than you need to and tuck those ends in... Oh yeah if you use plastic rope (as opposed to sisal), dont forget to melt the ends. (That will give you 3 rings) Fun Fun! -j.
Re: [MBZ] intermittent heat
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Allan Streib wrote: Peter Frederick writes: Easy fix meaning replace the monovalve, or ... ? It's not in Rusty's online catalog, are they readily available? Repalce the insert. $50 last I checked, do it with the car stone cold and the nose slightly downhill (driver side more so than passenger), and you wont lose a drop of coolant. Just remove the wiring harness and 4 small screws (DO NOT DROP THEM. You will probably have to order a new monovalve assembly to get them), then pull out the guts. Look at the new insert and you can figure out what you have to do... Oh yeah, carefully observe the orientation and location of all washers etc. ~10 min job on a cold car. ~10hr job on a hot car. (wait 9:50 for it to cool off, then proceed as a cold car) -j.
Re: [MBZ] Unimog down
On Mon, 1 Jan 2007, Jim Cathey wrote: Oh, and the booty? A FerrUPS FE3.1KVA, and a Powerware CAB-N battery cabinet, supposedly filled with 8 8-month-old 75AH sealed batteries. (I haven't looked.) The new price for this gear is something like $5000, though the big capacitor may be going out on the UPS as its power quality is suspect. Its former owner has saltwater aquaria, and needs reliable backup power. The 6kW unit (with a 12-battery cabinet) should run his entire house through the night, during the days he can replenish with his 20kW Ford/Onan genset. M Ferrups. Best single phase UPS ever made. External bypass goodies included? -j.
Re: [MBZ] Who?
Stupid joke. Hank V C is doing the rebuild on the other list, and I just watched King of the Hill last night where Hank had anger issues. I guess it is free association, and I am not even drinking. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom deluxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who? And yet Hank Hill had to give Marshall, and another listmember Who's Hank Hill? I musta missed that one. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New thread, used to be Re: ADMIN, foul language. Happy New Year.
IIRC, I think that Rhett's line was: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn.!!! Correct me if I'm wrong!!! Chuck On Jan 2, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote: Scarlet; I give a *damn* comes to mind.
Re: [MBZ] Who?
Isn't he the one who sells popane and propane accesories in Texas? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Who? And yet Hank Hill had to give Marshall, and another listmember Who's Hank Hill? I musta missed that one. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 2/01/2007
Re: [MBZ] list name
what are you talking about? R A Bennell wrote: I am amazed that there have been no comments in regard to the use of the MBZ name by the another list - until Marshall asked them not to and they switched to M-B. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] list name
He is an idiot. Chris Kueny wrote: And yet Hank Hill had to give Marshall, and another listmember who caught a mistake in the footer URL's, flippant and borderline nasty replies. He's either working too hard or off his meds. Chris K Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: R A Bennell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: [MBZ] list name I am amazed that there have been no comments in regard to the use of the MBZ name by the another list - until Marshall asked them not to and they switched to M-B. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New thread, used to be Re: ADMIN, foul language. Happy New Year.
Chuck, you are CORRECT. DWS Chuck Landenberger wrote: IIRC, I think that Rhett's line was: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn.!!! Correct me if I'm wrong!!! Chuck On Jan 2, 2007, at 2:38 PM, Hans Neureiter wrote: Scarlet; I give a *damn* comes to mind. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] New thread, used to be Re: ADMIN, foul language. Happy New Year.
Chuck Landenberger wrote: IIRC, I think that Rhett's line was: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn.!!! I remembered it as Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. I suppose one of us could google or wiki it pretty quick and settle the arguement.
Re: [MBZ] Who?
Very Good! Glad to see we export something of value. Chris Kueny ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 78 Chevy Custom deluxe '85 300TD '02 Subaru Outback Isn't he the one who sells popane and propane accesories in Texas? Who's Hank Hill? I musta missed that one. RLE
Re: [MBZ] New thread, used to be Re: ADMIN, foul language. Happy New Year.
Mitch Haley, the holder of knowledge. You are OH, SO RIGHT!!! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankly%2C_my_dear%2C_I_don% 27t_give_a_damn. I'll check w/you before I quote any more sage movie script lines.. Take care, Chuck On Jan 2, 2007, at 4:36 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Chuck Landenberger wrote: IIRC, I think that Rhett's line was: Frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn.!!! I remembered it as Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn. I suppose one of us could google or wiki it pretty quick and settle the arguement. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] list name
If you are talking about another list using the mbz in the header for filtering and archiving purposes, surely they didnt realize that a long established list is already using it. No problem if they discover that and change it. Big problem if they keep using it. Is this some new list? R A Bennell wrote: I am amazed that there have been no comments in regard to the use of the MBZ name by the another list - until Marshall asked them not to and they switched to M-B. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 14, Issue 2
John said... Thank you all for your replies to my ATF question. I'm glad to know that there are several solutions. I think I will try and find some Mobil 1 ATF first. John Ingram 83 240D 240K John...would you believe amazon.com? http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0002XI9NA/ref=pd_sl_aw_alx-je b-9-1_automotive_25253193_2?tag2=amd-google-20 Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 293K
[MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some friends. Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said no problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use. So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. any thoughts... Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM
[MBZ] Mono valve repair...
Peter Frederick writes and Allan responds: Bad monovalve, the boot is swollen and it won't allow water to flow correclty. Easy fix. Easy fix meaning replace the monovalve, or ... ? It's not in Rusty's online catalog, are they readily available? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 Rusty has the mono valve insert...I just did mine. Thought my ACC was bad, but it was the mono valve insert all the time. Be VERY careful taking apart the mono valve to replace the insert. It slides down through the coil that activates it. The coil is not held in the mono valve by much more than a little friction, and is connected to the plug by two VERY small, VERY thin wires. Don't ask me how I know. If you find out the way that I did, you can get a good used mono valve to go with your new insert from Kaleb. Again, don't ask me how I know Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 293K
Re: [MBZ] Checking Oil Level
Then, of course, after 1998 or so it gets real easy to check 'cause there ain't any dipsticks, oil or A/T. On 1/2/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, LarryT wrote: That would seem to indicate the oil is rubbing against the sides of the tube and smearing it across the dipstick. Now that you mention it, the dipstick on my lawnmower is extremely easy to read - and it's only about 4 long and and made of hard yellow plastic - so it;s very easy to see the oil level. The newer MB's have a solution: theres a little plastic bit molded on the dipstick at max and min, so if it is anywhere between or around them, the level is undisturbed by pulling from the tube. -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
That sounds good. I'll have to go back and read that a few more times. Any word on whether Washington state requires vehicle inspections? Or are all you WA guys boycotting me because I'm getting ready to add two more people to your paradise? Brian On 1/2/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Zoltan Finks wrote: the hangers occasionally play jump rope? What kind of knot do you tie to make things inconspicuous? (I'm not worth my salt in the area of You could take a piece of twisted rope a little more than 3x the circumference (call it 9.5X the diameter) of the ring that you need and unwrapping it. Take each of the three pieces and make a ring of the proper diameter- wrap the rope around itself and it will make a perfect rope ring. Make sure to wrap it fairly tight, go a little more than you need to and tuck those ends in... Oh yeah if you use plastic rope (as opposed to sisal), dont forget to melt the ends. (That will give you 3 rings) Fun Fun! -j. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
woodlandtaylors writes: Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. What you will need to do is try to document that your particular car is above average. Hopefully you have photos or can have the shop attest to the overall condition of the car. Do some market research youself, check online and local print listings. Remember the insurance company will want to get the claim closed quickly, that is exactly why they are wanting to total the car -- it's over and done with, and less risk for them than approving a repair and dealing with the inevitable discovery of additional damage once the repair gets underway. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
Brian - If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need to be aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle, that's known as the KBOs. Years ago, they were reported to have put up signs on the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a visit but not to stay; made up slogans about do not californicate Washington; even wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers. You can guess what the initials stand for! Werner ;-))) - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question That sounds good. I'll have to go back and read that a few more times. Any word on whether Washington state requires vehicle inspections? Or are all you WA guys boycotting me because I'm getting ready to add two more people to your paradise? Brian
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Even when Oklahoma was requiring inspections, they didn't care what held the muffler up - as long as it was secure. But then, that's Oklahoma --- bailing wire is an accepted fastener for most anything. Any word on whether Washington state requires vehicle inspections? -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
Nothing personal, but just come and spend lots of money, then get the hell out. On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian - If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need to be aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle, that's known as the KBOs. Years ago, they were reported to have put up signs on the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a visit but not to stay; made up slogans about do not californicate Washington; even wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers. You can guess what the initials stand for! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Cavity searches and a thorough firehose delousing are mandatory for noobs. The cars get off easy. The state patrol just checks to see that the VIN matches the title. On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any word on whether Washington state requires vehicle inspections? Or are all you WA guys boycotting me because I'm getting ready to add two more people to your paradise? Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Since the car's being driven on a regular basis now, I'll need to go the quickest route either OK Don's rope trick or some cheapies for now before the CORRECT ones can be purchased or found. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] No glow.
OK, I used the two spares I had on had to replace the totally dead #4, the 5.75 K Ohm #1, and now my glow lamp lights again. Glad it was apparently just the plugs. I'll be ordering a handful from Rusty in the AM. I wrote: Well, the results were quite different after unplugging the connector at the relay. 1: 5.75 K Ohms 2: 0.6 Ohms 3: 0.9 Ohms 4: no reading - open circuit 5: 470 Ohms I have 2 spares on hand, guess I'll replace #1 and #4 and order a replacement for #5 plus a few spares -- is #3 on its way out, or is that within the normal range? -- 1983 300D 1966 230
[MBZ] Interestng Road Trip in a 07 320CDI
For any who do not know about this, http://windingroad.com/ is a monthly internet only magazine published by David E Davis III previously of Car Driver and Automobile magazines. The current issue, (#17) has an article titled, http://windingroad.com/features-page/ shown in the top left of the page - where they'll be driving a groups of Diesels from Paris to Beijing and back - over 8000 miles of pretty rough country. You can sign up for free issues and back issues are available - Real a Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
keep some hefty zip-ties in the trunk. I kept a whole exhaust system on a car for 600 miles when all but 1 donut was gone Sometimes, ya gotta do what ya gotta do to get by. Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula
Re: [MBZ] Dented 300CD
So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. Simple enough. She informs the errant driver that his insurance company won't repair the car and so he should pay up and do his own arguing with the adjuster. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Inspections
Any word on whether Washington state requires vehicle inspections? Washington hasn't had a vehicle inspection program for eons but there was a time when inspection by the WSP was required for cars coming in from other states. All they did even then was compare the VIN with the paperwork. When my factory delivery Porsche arrived (bought from a local dealer) I had to take it to a State Patrol office to do this. And pay the fee. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Interestng Road Trip in a 07 320CDI
Larry, The Paris-Beijing MB Diesel excursion was over about a month ago. All of the stages can be viewed and read at: http://www.channel4.com/4car/gl/feature/paris-beijing2006/5699/1 Go down to the bottom of each page and click next Very enjoyable... Lots of different drivers in all of the Benz Diesels and I think three were BlueTec cars.. Take care, Chuck On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:10 PM, LarryT wrote: For any who do not know about this, http://windingroad.com/ is a monthly internet only magazine published by David E Davis III previously of Car Driver and Automobile magazines. The current issue, (#17) has an article titled, http://windingroad.com/features-page/ shown in the top left of the page - where they'll be driving a groups of Diesels from Paris to Beijing and back - over 8000 miles of pretty rough country. You can sign up for free issues and back issues are available - Real a Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair...
Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rusty has the mono valve insert...I just did mine. Is this insert also known as the Mono Valve Repair Kit ?? http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/R302315174BOS.JPG Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
[MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)
Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs? My spares were Bosch; the Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the other. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Ah - that's what bailing wire (or an old coat hanger) is for! On 1/2/07, kevin kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since the car's being driven on a regular basis now, I'll need to go the quickest route either OK Don's rope trick or some cheapies for now before the CORRECT ones can be purchased or found. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)
Yes -- (I have no preference - what ever Rusty sends). On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs? My spares were Bosch; the Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the other. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] Flashing 124 recirc switch light SOLVED!
Somebody (OK Don?) was asking a while back about what the flashing light in the recirc switch on a 300D 2.5 means. Turns out it's not a bug, it's a feature---indicating a stored trouble code in the climate control computer. Check out 83-603.pdf on the FSM CD. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '92 Isuzu Trooper
Re: [MBZ] Trying out 0Wxx Mobil 1
Often, on my other car, if I have the time, I'll throw my small batt. charger on and set it to boost as I crank, if it's particularly cold outside, just to sort of keep the batt. from having to work so hard as I crank for a longer time. Of course I cringe, hoping the batt. won't explode. Beware 'boost' settings, as many of the capacitors in the car's electronics are only rated at 16V. If the booster pushes it up in that area and you are charging in-circuit you could fry something you wish you hadn't. Still wondering if there's any hope for his Red top Optima that seems to just continually draw as much power as you put in it (sucked 5 amps for about 3 days straight before I disconnected it). If you're hoping you've found a nice doorstop or boat anchor, sure! As a battery? Forget it. -- Jim
[MBZ] Ten most over-rated sports' cars/from the road tests
1. Lamborghini Countach What they left out: The Countach might have done 200+ in some fevered Italian's dreams, but when actually tested it usually blew up around 180 mph. The wing blocks the 2 two inches of rear visibility this car ever had, leaving 190 degrees of blind spot, and the side mirrors just show fenders and airscoops. The doors barely lift up far enough for a lissome, 90-pound Chinese acrobat, and they fall down without warning to split open your skull. The controls are horribly heavy, the clutch can pack up every 3000 miles, and the shift linkage is cast out of old shoelaces and cake batter. Did we mention the front spoiler? It scrapes over pregnant amoebas. 2. Shelby 427 Cobra What they left out: The 427 Cobra was mysteriously hinky from day one. (This had something to do with putting a ridiculously huge engine in the nose.) The rear tires' grip on the pavement is about as solid as Jessica Simpson's grip on string theory, and it likes to swap ends as you pull out of your driveway. (It's also no fun when your $400,000 motorsports legend gets its ass kicked at the Shelby Club track day by some Elmer with a fiberglass kit car.) 3. Plymouth Hemi 'Cuda (not a sports car) What they left out: For Christ's sake, we're talking about a Plymouth-crappy plastics and rusty iron screwed together by some stoner with a UAW card. To 'sophistication of some smaller European designs' add 'circa 1916', and 'excellent handling (for a muscle car)' is analogous to 'fairly tolerant (for a Nazi).' It might also be worth noting that while Hemi 'Cudas are the flavor of the month at Barrett-Jackson today, no car made popular by a Don Johnson television series has ever kept its value for more than a year. 4. Big-Block Corvette What they left out: Zora hated these understeering porkers. They overheated faster than the wall of the girl's showers at Smallville High; what little balance the Corvette ever had was destroyed; and the added stress and vibration made pieces fall off the car even faster than they used to. It was just one more reason for Duntov to hate John DeLorean, who'd recently convinced GM to abandon its 50-year policy of making engine size bear some slight relationship to vehicle size, (DeLorean is now an angel in heaven, where every few minutes one of his wings suddenly droops down and slams itself shut.) 5. BMW 507 What they left out: Built on the chopped-up chassis of an overpriced, underpowered, overly complex sedan, the overpriced, underpowered, overly complex 507 cost more than a 300SL without any of the race wins or technology. Spare parts are still available, but mostly only on Pluto. 6. Lotus Esprit What they left out: The Esprit's most unlikely feat in The Spy Who Loved Me was starting every time Roger Moore turned the key. It's also amazing that Q found space for that extra junk, since Lotus couldn't figure out where to stuff in a working A/C. The Esprit's bodywork is made from a laminate of silicone glue and Shrinky Dinks, the anemic four-banger gives the acceleration of a K-Car, and the fuel system blurs the line between internal combustion and spontaneous combustion. Underpriced for an exotic; overpriced for a kit car. 7. Jaguar E-Type What they left out: Without a federal NSF grant, it's hard to imagine developing a chassis better designed for trapping water and promoting electrolysis. The early transmissions are unshiftable, the driving position was designed either for midgets or by sadists, and the clamshell hood only opens far enough to peel the flesh off the back of your head, not enough to actually get in there for twice-daily repairs. Rather than being drawn to the E's phallic styling, most women just say, 'Look at that Giant wiener.' Then they notice what you're driving. 8. Ferrari 250 GT What they left out: Ferrari's 3.0-liter V12 uses four times as many parts, a longer block, more mass, and 50 times as many dollars to make less power than a used Chevy small-block. Forty-year-old Ferraris stop and steer much like 30-year-old GMC pickups, and the constantly overdue valve job will run more than a new Kia. Owning a 250 also increases your likelihood of having to talk to Peter Sachs. 9. Nissan Skyline GT-R What they left out: The GT-R wouldn't need twin-turbos, all-wheel drive, four-wheel steering, and big intercoolers if it wasn't a heavy-ass piece of pork to begin with. And the feds ain't got nothing to do with it: Nissan never sent us the GT-R because out of the 12 people in America who'd actually spend 911 Turbo money on an outdated-looking Japanese coupe, six are in jail at any given time. 10. Maserati Ghibli What they left out: Heavy steering, squishy pedals, mushy gearchange, live rear axle on leaf springs...Daytona equivalent my ass. By washing the olive oil off all those old sardine cans before melting them down, the trained gibbons Maserati actually hired to build this thing accidentally removed its one source of rust protection. (Admittedly, the
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Good point. Are there inspections required of incoming vehicles of new residents in WA state? Yes. It's a hot vehicle check, they chase you away while they look in 'secret' places for matching VIN's. And they charge you for the privilege too. If the Frankenheap could pass, pretty much anything could. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] No glow.
Well, the results were quite different after unplugging the connector at the relay. 1: 5.75 K Ohms 2: 0.6 Ohms 3: 0.9 Ohms 4: no reading - open circuit 5: 470 Ohms I have 2 spares on hand, guess I'll replace #1 and #4 and order a replacement for #5 plus a few spares -- is #3 on its way out, or is that within the normal range? #3's on its way out too. It's a miracle it started as well as it did recently, usually they don't burn out in a bunch so it was the last one to drop out that KO'd you. With four out of five dead, I'd suggest just replacing them all and keep the one (or two?) 'good' ones as emergency spares. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Unimog down
M Ferrups. Best single phase UPS ever made. External bypass goodies included? Transfer switch? No. Nothing but a couple of plug panels. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. What are they, nuts? I got $2500 for a sedan with a raked side, a coupe is easily worth $2k more. And always was, besides their being out of date. Just MHO. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated sports' cars/from the road tests
The Good News..!!! No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [MBZ] Inspections
WA no longer performs VIN inspections on out of state vehicles. On 1/2/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any word on whether Washington state requires vehicle inspections? Washington hasn't had a vehicle inspection program for eons but there was a time when inspection by the WSP was required for cars coming in from other states. All they did even then was compare the VIN with the paperwork. When my factory delivery Porsche arrived (bought from a local dealer) I had to take it to a State Patrol office to do this. And pay the fee. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Rory Morrison Oroville, WA 1985 300SD 1982 300TD
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
Fight it all the way! A good example CD in WA is not cheap. IIRC, the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500. Garage queen low miles, but still. With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value, as that is her market. Or does she not live around that neck of the woods anymore? Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD. On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote: My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some friends. Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said no problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use. So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. any thoughts... Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Inspections
I guess that dates me. I had no idea. On 1/2/07, Rory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WA no longer performs VIN inspections on out of state vehicles. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats. If you are a demicon, we have no need for you. Move to Sequim or Cashmere On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: Nothing personal, but just come and spend lots of money, then get the hell out. On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian - If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need to be aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle, that's known as the KBOs. Years ago, they were reported to have put up signs on the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a visit but not to stay; made up slogans about do not californicate Washington; even wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers. You can guess what the initials stand for! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] substitute parts
Ah - that's what bailing wire (or an old coat hanger) is for! The coat hangar is really a substitute for the antenna mast. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
See what I mean? If you spend any time up here, you're forced to deal with extremist wackos at either end of the spectrum, like Clay and me*. You have been warned Now git off my praperty, farner *can you guess which of us is at which end of the nutpole? On 1/2/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats. If you are a demicon, we have no need for you. Move to Sequim or Cashmere Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] Over-rated
The Good News..!!! No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!! I did wonder why the 190SL wasn't mentioned. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
Wow. You guys really are a piece of work. If you spoke about an imigrant coming to the U.S., that way, you'd be labeled bigots. One more comment like that, Zeitgeist, and I'll have to finally ask you if you are speaking in jest, or if your really are confronting me. And if you are, I'll have to allow you to defend your position. Brian On 1/2/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats. If you are a demicon, we have no need for you. Move to Sequim or Cashmere On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: Nothing personal, but just come and spend lots of money, then get the hell out. On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian - If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need to be aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle, that's known as the KBOs. Years ago, they were reported to have put up signs on the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a visit but not to stay; made up slogans about do not californicate Washington; even wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers. You can guess what the initials stand for! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] I don't need no steeenking paperwork...
WA no longer performs VIN inspections on out of state vehicles. Just have your title washed at Burger King, then.
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
It is actually one of my cars; she (daughter) transferred from Seattle to Portland. She now lives at home again when she not off flyingshe has the 95 E300D but was using the 300CD while I was servicing her carhence the damage. I did a search on autotrader and there are none for sale around here to use as a comparison. EBay has some currently listed up there in value of $4K + .I need to determine if I should get it fixed or not Did list it on craigslist at $3000 a while back but had no offersIt has 310,000 on it but starts easy and dead reliable. She actually went to Seattle in it the day after it got run into no issues at all. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value. Fight it all the way! A good example CD in WA is not cheap. IIRC, the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500. Garage queen low miles, but still. With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value, as that is her market. Or does she not live around that neck of the woods anymore? Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD. On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote: My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some friends. Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said no problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use. So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. any thoughts... Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM
Re: [MBZ] substitute parts
And I thought it was a substitute door key Werner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] substitute parts Ah - that's what bailing wire (or an old coat hanger) is for! The coat hangar is really a substitute for the antenna mast. RLE
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
Dude, I've met folks just like that. I'm just the messenger. This state is plum full of kooks. On 1/2/07, Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wow. You guys really are a piece of work. If you spoke about an imigrant coming to the U.S., that way, you'd be labeled bigots. One more comment like that, Zeitgeist, and I'll have to finally ask you if you are speaking in jest, or if your really are confronting me. And if you are, I'll have to allow you to defend your position. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
[MBZ] First CL of 07
Stop whining and just delete it if you are not interested in a listing of underpriced junk heaps. http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/256760087.html -- 59 190D $1k http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256749094.html -- 84 D $400 http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/256688038.html -- Parts car for Dennis http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256325438.html -- Crack http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256243711.html -- Crack? http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/256191005.html -- 70 350SL http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256155289.html ** For Ms. Casey http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/256091430.html -- Example for Dennis http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256088641.html - Armored Benz http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/255982920.html -- Franken SL candidate http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/255952278.html -- 66 200D $1200 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255922478.html -- 83 240D $3k http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255800919.html -- Jim C. investment http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255770840.html -- 190D on crack http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255697841.html -- AZ Rodbender http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255505593.html -- Roger? u selling? http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/car/255483085.html -- 83 SD $3500 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255472110.html -- 96 AMG $8k http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/255443841.html -- 59 190D $4k http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/car/255425564.html -- Jim C? http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/255091940.html -- 72 350 SL $13k http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/254679039.html - Frankenbenz candidate http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/254636973.html -- 90 2.5? http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/254614873.html -- 5spd 190D http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/car/254267833.html -- 116 for conversion? If Ed B. decides to look into one of these I can check it out. Might be able to look at a few for others interested in them. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
And there is something in the water and air that makes the liberals become vegan. Then they get all sorts of medical issues related to a lack of iron and protein from not eating all the mad cows. We vote and we are crazy! Just go away. Well, bring your old Benz, than go away. On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:20 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: See what I mean? If you spend any time up here, you're forced to deal with extremist wackos at either end of the spectrum, like Clay and me*. You have been warned Now git off my praperty, farner *can you guess which of us is at which end of the nutpole? On 1/2/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats. If you are a demicon, we have no need for you. Move to Sequim or Cashmere Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
The soviet socialist state of Washington accepts all sort of folks. As long as your promise to vote pinko, be on welfare, spew forth babies that do not share a sperm donor, eat vegan, do not speak english, be on meth or crack, and enter the country without proper documentation. Welcome! On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:23 PM, Zoltan Finks wrote: Wow. You guys really are a piece of work. If you spoke about an imigrant coming to the U.S., that way, you'd be labeled bigots. One more comment like that, Zeitgeist, and I'll have to finally ask you if you are speaking in jest, or if your really are confronting me. And if you are, I'll have to allow you to defend your position. Brian On 1/2/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you are moving to King County, we are welcoming more republicrats. If you are a demicon, we have no need for you. Move to Sequim or Cashmere On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:49 PM, Zeitgeist wrote: Nothing personal, but just come and spend lots of money, then get the hell out. On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brian - If you're moving to that paradise called Washington State, you need to be aware that there's a not too subtle organization, mostly in Seattle, that's known as the KBOs. Years ago, they were reported to have put up signs on the Northbound lanes of I-5 for California drivers, welcoming a visit but not to stay; made up slogans about do not californicate Washington; even wrote about the group in editorials in the Seattle papers. You can guess what the initials stand for! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value.
I put a few lead on the CL listing. See if one of the parts cars would be less expensive for you to make the car whole again. On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:26 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote: It is actually one of my cars; she (daughter) transferred from Seattle to Portland. She now lives at home again when she not off flyingshe has the 95 E300D but was using the 300CD while I was servicing her carhence the damage. I did a search on autotrader and there are none for sale around here to use as a comparison. EBay has some currently listed up there in value of $4K + .I need to determine if I should get it fixed or not Did list it on craigslist at $3000 a while back but had no offersIt has 310,000 on it but starts easy and dead reliable. She actually went to Seattle in it the day after it got run into no issues at all. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value. Fight it all the way! A good example CD in WA is not cheap. IIRC, the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500. Garage queen low miles, but still. With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value, as that is her market. Or does she not live around that neck of the woods anymore? Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD. On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote: My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some friends. Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said no problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use. So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. any thoughts... Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
[cough]Need I say more?[/cough] Enter at your own peril...oh, and don't forget to bring all your favorite Microsoft tribute for Clay. Clay basks in Bill's benevolent glory. On 1/2/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The soviet socialist state of Washington accepts all sort of folks. As long as your promise to vote pinko, be on welfare, spew forth babies that do not share a sperm donor, eat vegan, do not speak english, be on meth or crack, and enter the country without proper documentation. Welcome! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG
Re: [MBZ] First CL of 07
Clay, That’s a Non turbo too. Look at this link:- http://shorterlink.co.uk/6511 Thanks, Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM
Re: [MBZ] Washington State (was: rear exhaust hanger question)
Gotcha. I take things too seriously sometimes. I am accustomed to being around folks with whom I vehmently disagree. That's the curse of being from my own mold (I probably agree with both you you cats on some issues). I'm a vegetarian environmentalist who is against gay marriage and handouts for illegals (for example). I'm used to not fitting in. You'z guyz's brand of welcome should feel familiar. Brian On 1/3/07, Zeitgeist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [cough]Need I say more?[/cough] Enter at your own peril...oh, and don't forget to bring all your favorite Microsoft tribute for Clay. Clay basks in Bill's benevolent glory. On 1/2/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The soviet socialist state of Washington accepts all sort of folks. As long as your promise to vote pinko, be on welfare, spew forth babies that do not share a sperm donor, eat vegan, do not speak english, be on meth or crack, and enter the country without proper documentation. Welcome! Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler/propane #22 0-60mph 7.3sec (220k) '84 300D (218k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K) http://users.zhonka.net/zeitgeist/Misc/IMG_0171.JPG ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Washington State
the curse of being from my own mold (I probably agree with both you you cats on some issues). I'm a vegetarian environmentalist... Hey, if there are words for it it's too general for me. I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member... and all that. I knew a Vegan once, but I think it finally rusted away on him. -- Jim
[MBZ] NO GLOW exhaust hangers
Jim!; maybe you can answer this about the diff. readings on the glow plugs; a 5.75 reading? ok? does this one have the shortest wire from gp relay? to it causing less resistance; maybe this one still ok?; and the .9 resistance one, ok?; the open one is not ok; the 470 ohms one; i ran into about this same reading changed it, don't know if bad or not; i don't change any glow plug unless it reads out of limits; i have extras, but will not change unless; shows way out of limits exhaust hangers; i don't use high priced Mobil 1 oil but i do put on new ex. hangers when they look hard or cracked; also; what determines if you need hard or soft compound on the hangers?; i try to get the ones with the rubber in the center, but maybe hard to find now??? any info Jim? thanks, Steve
Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated sports' cars/from the road tests
Even better, for some, is that no Porsches made the list.yet:-) - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated sports' cars/from the road tests The Good News..!!! No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated sports' cars/from the road tests
Yeah, I was getting a little worried as I read down the list!!! :-) Zeb. On 03/01/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Even better, for some, is that no Porsches made the list.yet:-) - Original Message - From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated sports' cars/from the road tests The Good News..!!! No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!! Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] First CL of 07
What they meant to say was selling for a friend..who is in jail and needs money fast before the big boys get to him - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] First CL of 07 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256088641.html - Armored Benz
[MBZ] a W201 for your W123?
I just spotted this one on CL. This person is looking to get a slightly more spacious W123 240D/300D in trade for a 1984 190D. I thought that this may be of some interest. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bar/256833704.html Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula PS. I'm VERY VERY VERY HAPPY with the spacious W126.
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair...
Yep...the thing that sticks up above the body of the valve...looks like a steel top hat... is the top end of what you see in the picture. The rubber thingy on the other end is what seats the valve. the top hat part is what slides through the electromagnetic coil that is in the top part of the valve body. It's that coil that you have to be careful of when you remove the valve insert. Take the four screws out on the top, pull out the whole assembly, support the coil from the bottom and push out the insert from the top. A little PBBlaster on it will help it slide out. HTH... Royce Engler 1985 300TD Turbo 295K -Original Message- From: Allan Streib [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 10:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair... Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rusty has the mono valve insert...I just did mine. Is this insert also known as the Mono Valve Repair Kit ?? http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/R302315174BOS.JPG Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] rear exhaust hanger question
Jim Cathey wrote: The improved 'donuts' have chain or something inside the rubber so they don't stretch out. -- Jim The donuts that you refer to as improved (they have a metal core) are specific to certain models and should not be used on other models. Simply get the correct part for your specific car! The proper hangers should easily last 10+ years unless you do a lot of off-roading. Some (but hardly all) aftermarket rubber hangers are of very poor quality and I've seen some fail within months. That has not happened to ME with genuine Mercedes hangers (that are correct for the application and model car). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] NO GLOW exhaust hangers
Jim!; maybe you can answer this about the diff. readings on the glow plugs; Sure! You have exactly one good GP left. One (0.9) may be marginal. An ohmmeter is not the best GP tester out there, but it is common and inexpensive. Better is a high-current ammeter, you can watch the initial surge and see how fast the current drops to its normal level. (The MB manual never specifies plug resistance, only current draw.) If it draws the right amount (and pattern) of current then it's probably OK, though I've heard of relatively rare failure modes where the heat doesn't end up out at the tip. However, I can't visualize one of those drawing the correct amount of current, though I could be wrong. a 5.75 reading? ok? does this one have the shortest wire from gp relay? to it causing less resistance; maybe this one still ok?; and the .9 resistance one, ok?; the open one is not ok; the 470 ohms one; i ran into about this same reading changed it, don't know if bad or not; i don't change any glow plug unless it reads out of limits; i have extras, but will not change unless; shows way out of limits All but two were way out of limits! From the manual: The pencil-type glow plugs are designed for a voltage of 11.5 V and are connected in parallel. The heating element consists of a seriesconnected heater and control coil. 1 Control coil 2 Heater cod When the glow system is turned on, a current of approx. 30 A is supplied to each glow plug. The heater coil heats up the glow plug very rapidly. The control coil resistance increases with rising temperature, limiting the current to approx. 8-16 A. The glow plug is thus protected against overload. Looking at the current graph, within 5 seconds the current has dropped from its 30A peak to 15A, and drops very slowly after that to maybe 12A. That fits with what I've seen personally. Doing the math, that's 11.5/15 (0.75) Ohms at 5 seconds, and 11.5*15 (170) Watts. At time zero, make that 11.5/30 (0.5) Ohms, and 340 Watts. Is your 0.9 ohm plug good? Dunno, how accurate is your meter? More importantly, how much current is that plug drawing after a few seconds, it's that 170 Watt value that is the critical thing for starting, since that is what is applied over time. It appears that at T0 that plug is starting out at only about half the heat it should be putting out, does it drop further or does it hang at that value, which would be OK. (Though it would imply that the control coil in the GP wasn't working right.) Your 470 Ohm plug starts out pushing about 0.3 Watts of heat. Whee. Your 5750 Ohm plug makes 0.02 Watts, I think a red LED would be warmer. exhaust hangers; i don't use high priced Mobil 1 oil but i do put on new ex. hangers when they look hard or cracked; also; what determines if you need hard or soft compound on the hangers?; i try to get the ones with the rubber in the center, but maybe hard to find now??? any info Jim? thanks, I just use whatever is handy, it's not rocket science. The 'good' cars have gotten the chain-filled ones since that is what the dealer was pushing. They've been OK for years. The jalopies get whatever good rings I find at the U-Pull when I'm there! -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] First CL of 07
Perhaps he could sell it to some football players. OOPS! too late for some... --R Hendrik Riessen wrote: What they meant to say was selling for a friend..who is in jail and needs money fast before the big boys get to him - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 4:21 PM Subject: [MBZ] First CL of 07 http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/256088641.html - Armored Benz
Re: [MBZ] substitute parts
It's the universal emergency kit. On 1/2/07, Werner Fehlauer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I thought it was a substitute door key Werner - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 12:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] substitute parts Ah - that's what bailing wire (or an old coat hanger) is for! The coat hangar is really a substitute for the antenna mast. RLE -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs? (was: No glow.)
general preference is for bosch. everyone hates monark, except for me, as i prefer monark. no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are the brand to go with. confused? me too! On 1/2/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs? My spares were Bosch; the Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the other. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] CA Trip Questions
Yesterday I took oldest girl child back to CA. Usually a couple of good places for Eye-talian tune ups along the route. Had two big suitcases in trunk, and a 32 tube TV (remember those?), two other bags and a gee-tar in the back seat. Figured this would be a good jaunt to see how the coolant system acted with new parts and a good chance to attack some hills while loaded. On the way I drove into a stiff wind from the west and there were several places where I had it floored on relativly even terrain and could only get 70mph out of her. Temperature never got above 135-150 degrees. (Come to think of it temp never gets above 150...pre or post rad changeout and with three different t-statshummm) On the way home, empty, the long hill out of Indio going east (about 12 miles I think) I normall can keep it at 65 but could only manage 55 or so. And, at one point going up this long hill, an '87 300D turbo, which was Beverly Hillbillies loaded, passed me like I was nailed to the pavement. Temp again was 150 tops. The other odd thing is that it seems to be smoking at idle a bit more since the valve adjustment. Will running at 150 couse it to smoke than it would otherwise? Was that post confusing enough? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 165K '87 Acura Legend 180K Litchfield Park, AZ
[MBZ] Biodiesel coops in Sacramento area
This sounds like a very good reason to move to Sacramento Biodiesel co-ops fill demand for green fuel For exhaust that smells like french fries, you need an appointment. By Jim Downing - Bee Staff Writer Published 12:00 am PST Tuesday, January 2, 2007 Story appeared in BUSINESS section, Page D2 Print http://www.sacbee.com/103/v-print/story/101544.html | E-Mailhttp://www.sacbee.com/103/v-email/story/101544.html| Comments (4) http://www.sacbee.com/103/story/101544.html#comments_here Will Semmes, left, fills the tank of his car with biodiesel fuel from a home-based co-op run by Obadiah Batholomy, background. Sacramento Bee/Jay Mather Biodiesel: It's clean, green, made in America and makes your exhaust smell like french fries. Want to get some? Get ready for a fuel-buying adventure. The nation's production of biodiesel is booming -- it's set to triple this year. http://ads.sacbee.com/RealMedia/ads/click_lx.ads/www.sacbee.com/content/business/237412903/Button20/Sacbee/Morrison_BS_336_0701_XXX/Morrison_300x250.gif/6363376335636665343265383930 But finding the fuel in Sacramento remains a challenge. And it's likely to remain so, even as the fuel gains in popularity and becomes more plentiful. A biodiesel fill-up -- assuming you have a vehicle that burns diesel fuel -- starts with an e-mail to Steve Bash, a longtime biodiesel guru in Carmichael. Bash provides a phone number for one of the region's half-dozen biodiesel co-operatives, the chief way area consumers can now purchase the fuel. A call is made, an appointment set. The trail could lead to a narrow driveway in Land Park with a view of the sun setting on the Tower Theatre. Here, Obadiah Bartholomy, a 27-year-old SMUD engineer, keeps a 250-gallon tank of biodiesel in his one-car garage. Still in his clothes from the office, he trundles it down the driveway on a hydraulic jack. On top of the tank, Bartholomy has rigged a pump and a meter. A fuel filter hangs from baling wire and plumber's tape. A 2002 Volkswagen Jetta backs into the driveway, and Will Semmes, in a blue-checked shirt and red tie, climbs out. Using a white cloth, he takes the greasy fuel hose. Bartholomy turns on the pump and keeps his hand on the switch while Semmes listens for the sound of an impending overflow: There's no auto-shutoff. Afterward, Semmes settles up. The cost: $3.62 a gallon, compared with $2.99 diesel at the Chevron station around the corner. Semmes paid $80 cash for his last two fill-ups. For that, he got fuel-buying ecstasy. It's a totally different experience from buying petroleum diesel, he said. You actually feel good about buying gas. When's the last time that happened? For Semmes and other local biodiesel fans, the charm of buying fuel through a personal network outweighs the hassle and extra expense. They cite what they say are biodiesel's virtues: • Burning biodiesel cuts net carbon dioxide emissions by 70 percent or more, compared with burning petroleum diesel. • Biodiesel supports U.S. farmers and doesn't have to be imported. • Biodiesel generally produces fewer pollutants than standard diesel, though it does release slightly higher concentrations of some smog-forming gases. • And, of course, biodiesel smells like comfort food. A former platoon commander in the Marines and now the director of the California Conservation Corps, Semmes said he started buying biodiesel not long after the Sept. 11 terror attacks, when he began to see reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil as essential. I don't need to buy from the Saudis anymore, he said. We've been treating our oil suppliers like gas stations, and now we're paying the price in so many ways. Bartholomy got into biodiesel at California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, and built a trailer-mounted biodiesel refinery for his senior project. He volunteered his garage as a distribution node in 2004, and now has about 15 regular customers. Bartholomy isn't in the veggie-fuel business for the money. He sells the fuel at cost, after collecting a $25 membership fee from his customers, which partially covers his investment in the equipment -- the tank, jack, pump and meter -- he keeps in his garage. Running a filling station out of one's garage is a bit of a hassle, Bartholomy said -- though at least he doesn't have to drive anywhere to fill up his own vehicle, a 1981 Volkswagen pickup. He generally meets customers in the evening. Most of his buyers tend not to drive much, he said, so they fill up only once every few weeks. And if the scheduling doesn't work out, customers can always just buy petroleum diesel -- switching back and forth between the fuels doesn't cause problems. Sacramento's biodiesel co-ops were organized beginning in 2004 by Bash, and now have a few hundred members, he said. He arranges 1,000-gallon-plus orders from a biodiesel distributor in the Bay Area, which fill garage tanks like Bartholomy's. Bash, who produces educational videos for a living, once
Re: [MBZ] NO GLOW exhaust hangers
Stephen D Murrell wrote: Jim!; maybe you can answer this about the diff. readings on the glow plugs; a 5.75 reading? ok? does this one have the shortest wire from gp relay? to it causing less resistance; maybe this one still ok?; and the .9 resistance one, ok?; the open one is not ok; the 470 ohms one; i ran into about this same reading changed it, don't know if bad or not; i don't change any glow plug unless it reads out of limits; i have extras, but will not change unless; shows way out of limits A properly functioning glow plug should read about 0.6 ohms at ambient temperatures and maybe twice that at 1180 deg, C. One that reads outside that range is BAD! The wiring should not add any more than 10-20% to those readings or the wiring needs to be replaced! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] OT--Navigator wings and ribbons on the priest
Bob Certain, President Ford's pastor, has been seen during the recent funeral ceremonies wearing navigator wings and military ribbons and occasionally saluting with the military members. He may wear them, and he may salute as he sees fit. I knew him briefly when he was a young B-52 crewmember flying missions from Guam to Vietnam. He is a former B-52 navigator who was aboard the first B-52 shotdown over Hanoi on December 18, 1972, during the Linebacker II campaign that led to a settlement ending US involvement in the war. Three members of his crew were killed. He was captured and held as a POW until released in March, 1973. He then attended devinity school and served for many years as an Air Force chaplain before retiring as a colonel. Wilton
Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs?
Allan Streib wrote: Do folks like Beru or Bosch glow plugs? My spares were Bosch; the Beru are slightly cheaper but not enough to sway me one way or the other. Allan There are a few cars that ONLY Beru make plugs for (my 1987 201.126 was one)! Both Bosch and Beru make quality plugs and Mercedes uses both. Both are fine as long as they are used in the proper car/engine. Monark plugs have a history of premature (almost instant for the ones I've tried ;-) failures. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Mono valve repair...
yep Allan Streib wrote: Royce Engler [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Rusty has the mono valve insert...I just did mine. Is this insert also known as the Mono Valve Repair Kit ?? http://img.eautopartscatalog.com/live/R302315174BOS.JPG Allan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Flashing 124 recirc switch light SOLVED!
I figured it was somthing like that, but I have never had to mess with it. Alex Chamberlain wrote: Somebody (OK Don?) was asking a while back about what the flashing light in the recirc switch on a 300D 2.5 means. Turns out it's not a bug, it's a feature---indicating a stored trouble code in the climate control computer. Check out 83-603.pdf on the FSM CD. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo '92 Isuzu Trooper ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value. AUTOTRADER.COM
Somebody asked about autotrader.com on the banned list, here is my explaination of the big picture. That should help you when searching for older cars: OK, here we go. Trader Publishing Company used to be one big company that published Autotrader, truck trader, Bargain Post, Boat, Bike, and RV, Big Truck, Heavy equiment, Harmon Homes, and many many other magazines. It was half owned by Cox Enterprises (cox cable, communication, newspapers, radio etc). Autotrader.com is/was a seperate company. We owned autoextra and automart. Auto extra is mainly a dealer only deal. Most of the dealers also cross over their ads into the auto extra book, which in turn gets posted to the autoextra website. There are some cities that sell private party ads into that book but we dont. Its a free book that you can pickup just about anywhere. All of our autotrader magazine ads etc get posted for free to autotrader.com. If the vehicle is 20 years or older, or its something not an auto, it goes to traderonline.com. You would go there and click on collector car trader to find the older vehicles. Late last year, Cox was thinking about buying the whole thing. As it turns out, our company split and basically formed 2 new companies. Cox Auto Trader, which published the automotive titles. While autotrader.com is still a seperate company, we do own 89% of it. We also own autoextra.com, but as I said, its mainly for dealer listings. The other new company is called Dominion Enterprises. They basically handle the non-automotive titles, and they have the automart site. I really do not know much about that one. To make a long story short, go to autotrader.com to find cars and trucks that are 20 years a newer, go to traderonline.com to find cars that are older than 20 years and other non-automotive items. You can look thru autoextra.com, but most of the items there will be on autotrader.com or traderonline.com anyway. Make sense? woodlandtaylors wrote: It is actually one of my cars; she (daughter) transferred from Seattle to Portland. She now lives at home again when she not off flyingshe has the 95 E300D but was using the 300CD while I was servicing her carhence the damage. I did a search on autotrader and there are none for sale around here to use as a comparison. EBay has some currently listed up there in value of $4K + .I need to determine if I should get it fixed or not Did list it on craigslist at $3000 a while back but had no offersIt has 310,000 on it but starts easy and dead reliable. She actually went to Seattle in it the day after it got run into no issues at all. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 9:12 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300CD damage and value. Fight it all the way! A good example CD in WA is not cheap. IIRC, the one for sale recently at SWMBA office went for over $7500. Garage queen low miles, but still. With CL prices around PDX, you will be able to get a really high value, as that is her market. Or does she not live around that neck of the woods anymore? Seattle is pretty steep for a nice example of a CD. On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:57 PM, woodlandtaylors wrote: My daughter parked the 1982 300Cd on the street while visiting some friends. Her host backed out into the street and hit her car, immediately said no problem here is the insurance company and body shop I use. So the body shop has had it for two weeks and done a small amount of work on it and the estimate is $2300 for repairs. Now the insurance company is wanting to total vehicle and offer the $2300 as pay out. I say not enough... they state value in Washington State is what similar vehicles are selling for. any thoughts... Dennis T -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.3/614 - Release Date: 1/2/2007 2:58 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Beru or Bosch glow plugs?
Rusty says those Monarchs dont last as long because they burn hotter. Which is good for an old engine that might be a little worn out. Gary Hurst wrote: general preference is for bosch. everyone hates monark, except for me, as i prefer monark. no one ever buys berus, which leads me think they are the brand to go with. confused? me too! -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up
Thanks for posting - that is an awesome display. One wonders 1) what is the name of the cute puppy, 2) how do some people rate a caption that states I have no idea who this dude is while others are just blank, and 3) was this such a dead crowd that the only couple who could be persuaded to dance was half canine? On 12/31/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Finally got the RustyQ 2006 pictures up at okiebenz.com that Regina took at the RustyQ. You can access them from the main page by clicking on the rustyQ button, or click here http://www.okiebenz.com/rustyq/rustyQ06/ -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] MBZ history?
Yeah, and the Vets list (www.mb-veterans.com) is moribund as well. On 1/1/07, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard had all the seperate lists, I have basically combined all the lists into one here with a few exceptions. The only specialty lists are the SL list and the vets list for older cars. They are there but not much goes on with them. Most of the activity is here and just about any question can probably be answered. Werner Fehlauer wrote: Thanks, Kaleb - I wasn't aware of just what the timing (or the reason) for the Ritter/Easley list origination, or just how Richard Sexton got involved. I was fully involved with the old MBCA lists, and was ashamed of how a few empire builders treated Kathy, who gave her all for the good of mthe club and the lists she was mother to. And when a few insiders (who didn't take dissent well or at all) ran off Todd Knutson and Jay Obrien, plus several other good guys, I was happy that someone picked up the challenge to keep a few nets going. But you are correct, when things crashed, it got kind of lonesome, and I really appreciate you taking the challenge. What I didn't know was how things had transitioned from the days of Richard Sexton to now, mainly because I had to drop off for a couple of long periods due to medical and other issues. I do have a concern though that with too many sub nets, that we may be losing out on the social and technical aspects of a larger group. From what I can see, there may be lots of lurkers, but there is no way to know which net to send out a question for a particular interest. That may just be a lack of my own understanding, or perhaps a realization that there are more nets that need to be monitored (and to be careful of using in response?). Anyway, Happy New Year, and keep smiling. Enjoy the winter weather, which you folks in the plains have been nice enough to keep away from the East Coast! Werner -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 84 190D 2.2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wash Your cars! was Re: RustyQ 2006 Pictures are up
Kaleb wrote: I finally got the RustyQ 2006 pictures up at okiebenz.com that Regina took at the RustyQ. You can access them from the main page by clicking on the rustyQ button, or click here You know what I noticed about the cars? They were all dirty. A bunch of Mercedes people bring their cars to RustyQ to meet each other and show off their cars and they are all dirty. Ok that green 200D looked pretty clean. Have you folks heard of car washes or a bucket and sponge. I know, I am the most anal person around about keeping my car clean, so I should based this on my experience. But, gosh those are some dirty cars. Hursty's car looked pretty clean, I guess. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 133K
