Re: [MBZ] thoughts on possible First Amendment infringement

[Luther]

The emails are being rejected by my email server, not my ISP.  This 
happens on webmail at work, my phone (Blackjack2), and my laptop at 
home OR at church. 


Luther

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Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

rejected by what server?

> I have been playing with this link ( *http://tinyurl.com/5szzc4*or
> *http://preview.tinyurl.com/5szzc4 *) from thebulletin *dot* us for most
> of the last 24 hours.  If I simply try send just the "www thebulletin
> us" (with '.' added in correctly) as an address to be clicked on or
> copied/pasted into a web browser, my email is rejected by the server
> EVERY time.  I've replied and sent other hyperlinks and none of them
> have been rejected.  This is really getting under my skin and I'm going
> to do something about it.  I will contact the email hosting company
> tomorrow and I would like everyone's thoughts on this before I call. 
>

> Thanks,
> Luther



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Re: [MBZ] OT, my company lays off a ton more people

[Kevin]

On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:39:26AM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
> >Well, our home office is now right there in atlanta.  Used to be in 
> >norfolk.
> 
> They moved the office because it was easier than moving Gary.

That's what mog cranes are for.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 trip odometer

[OK Don]

I thought the excuse for this car (vergasser, not Diesel) was that it
was Debbie to drive - why are YOU taking it the two blocks to work?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:02 PM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> No visible resolution after several attempts, but car is parked in the
> garage. (Just finished putting on a second coat of polish.)
>
> I will try it on the way to work tomorrow.

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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Wonko the Sane]

I live where the carrier walks to the house but use the rural mailbox
configuration (painted green, but that is a coincidence done to match the
shutters).

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 10:25 PM, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> It is green, and the proper shade of green.
>>
>> http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/mailbox/
>>
>
> Oops, I spoke too soon. That's a city mailbox for people whose carrier
> walks to the house.
> Around here, the rural mailbox in the shape of a tractor is quite popular,
>
> Mitch.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:

It is green, and the proper shade of green.

http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/mailbox/


Oops, I spoke too soon. That's a city mailbox for people whose carrier walks to 
the house.

Around here, the rural mailbox in the shape of a tractor is quite popular,

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Wonko the Sane]

Hendrik --

Printed out the combine link and showed to the wife (she is a farm girl).
She burst out laughing and said, "That is what we use to pick up leaves on
the lawn."

http://www.oznet.ksu.edu/fieldday/kids/equipment/equipment.htm

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

>
> http://jddealer.deere.com/DeereFiles/RegionNA/LargeImages/Combines/Comb-CottonPickers9976-LI12361.jpg
>
> Hendrik
> living in a land where people use old refrigerators as letterboxes




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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Mitch Haley]

Wonko the Sane wrote:

That person is extremely serious.

What state is your Freecycle in? I am about to unload a John Deere mailbox
and clock (new in boxes). 


Both of those would be welcome at my parents' farm.
IIRC, those mailboxes aren't cheap.
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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Wonko the Sane]

That is a midget. Way bigger ones are going down the four land highway (a
block from my house) this time of year. They take up three lanes.

Stuff like this:

http://www.harvestsalvage.ca/9600%20John%20Deere%20combine%20003.jpg
http://fc24.deviantart.com/fs23/f/2007/334/2/7/John_Deere_9600_Combine_by_traxxnstamp.jpg

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Yeah I can see that working real well.
> http://jddealer.deere.com/DeereFiles/RegionNA/LargeImages/Combines/Comb-CottonPickers9976-LI12361.jpg
>
> Hendrik
> living in a land where people use old refrigerators as letterboxes
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Wonko the Sane]

It is green, and the proper shade of green.

http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/mailbox/

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:53 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> How is a letterbox going to go in a kitchen, I can see the clock working.
> Nah you're better off sending me the letterbox, as I have a need for a
> newy. Is it in the shape of a tractor or combine harvester, perhaps in
> keeping with recent discussion a cotton picker shaped letterbox? Yeah I can
> see that working real well.
> http://jddealer.deere.com/DeereFiles/RegionNA/LargeImages/Combines/Comb-CottonPickers9976-LI12361.jpg
>
> Hendrik
> living in a land where people use old refrigerators as letterboxes
>
> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>
>> That person is extremely serious.
>>
>> What state is your Freecycle in? I am about to unload a John Deere mailbox
>> and clock (new in boxes). I was thinking eBay but I just might make their
>> day.
>>
>> Don
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Hendrik & Fay]

How is a letterbox going to go in a kitchen, I can see the clock working.
Nah you're better off sending me the letterbox, as I have a need for a 
newy. Is it in the shape of a tractor or combine harvester, perhaps in 
keeping with recent discussion a cotton picker shaped letterbox? Yeah I 
can see that working real well. 
http://jddealer.deere.com/DeereFiles/RegionNA/LargeImages/Combines/Comb-CottonPickers9976-LI12361.jpg


Hendrik
living in a land where people use old refrigerators as letterboxes

Wonko the Sane wrote:

That person is extremely serious.

What state is your Freecycle in? I am about to unload a John Deere mailbox
and clock (new in boxes). I was thinking eBay but I just might make their
day.

Don
  





  


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Re: [MBZ] Oz and US forms of government

[Hendrik & Fay]

Could you explain this a bit further, I am completely lost on what you 
are trying to say there.

Who is getting murdered where?
Perhaps it's me do the killing again?

Hendrik
scratching his head

Gary Hurst wrote:

what do you call that kind of government you have, the one where people who
express unpopular opinions are extradited to far off lands and weaker
sovereign nations that have unpopular practices are murdered?

  

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up in Cuba?

[Hendrik & Fay]

I take you are referring to me as being the Australian revisionist?
I am not killing anyone, I am stating my view point and allowing 
everyone else to state theirs.
Further you have not given any logical arguments as to how Lincoln 
should have proceeded. So how can I kill anything that you have written?

Far as I am concerned Lincoln was caught between a rock and a hard place.

So if Iran, North Korea and others have a policy of developing nuclear 
weapons they should (according to the average American) be able to do this?
I am not even going to mention the once former sovereign nations of Iraq 
and Afghanistan.


The argument that slavery would have naturally stopped because of 
mechanization is fanciful at best. They still need people to operate 
machines and work in factories and clean houses and cook food and all 
the other jobs that require labor. As a side note, 20 years ago I had a 
holiday job chipping cotton, with a hoe walking up and down cotton rows 
getting rid of weeds. I think now they have selective herbicides to do 
this but there is still a truck load of work to do on a farm.


There a million what if the south has gone it alone, however one to 
ponder is WW2 in which the south may well have sided with the Axis, thus 
making things very interesting. The US of A may well not have developed 
an A bomb, whereas the USSR might have, giving us a very interesting 
(and perhaps short) cold war.


Now we can all sit back and ponder the world we have today, it might not 
be perfect but it could be a hell of a lot worse.


Hendrik
the revisionist

Gary Hurst wrote:

he's some kind of australian revisionist who believe in just killing
everyone who disagrees with him.  i didn't know that such people still
existed.  frightening.

if a sovereign nation has policies that you don't agree with, just burn and
kill them until they comply.  maybe that is how they do it in sydney and tel
aviv, but i'd like to think the average american finds this outlook as
shocking as i do.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

The US Civil War was about more than slavery.  At that time the main
federal
tax was import duties.  The south, having little ability to manufacture
goods paid a very disproportionate share of these taxes while the north
made
a lot of their own stuff and didn't need many imports.  Lincoln's
emancipation proclamation was a political move that only freed slaves in
the
south while any slaves in the north (still slaves under Dred-Scott) were
not
effected.  The primary result was to push back open support for the south
in
Europe and the UK who were then anti-slave.  Practically speaking, slavery
was already doomed in the US because machines would be more economical in a
just a few years. The real issue was secession and slavery was just one
factor.  The south believed that they because they joined the union
voluntarily and could also leave if they wanted to.  The constitution was
silent (and still is) on that issue. Lincoln believed that the union would
continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the
precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he
went to war to keep the union intact.  By any measure, it was the worst war
in US history.  One wonders how the history of the world would be different
if the south had been allowed to secede.



  



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Re: [MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Wonko the Sane]

That person is extremely serious.

What state is your Freecycle in? I am about to unload a John Deere mailbox
and clock (new in boxes). I was thinking eBay but I just might make their
day.

Don


On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:35 PM, Rich Thomas <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am taking a really wild guess and deciding that this person is serious.
>  Can't quite figure, but there you go.  Maybe I'll unload some
> poker-playing-dog and children-with-big-eyes paintings on them, just to
> elevate the artistic ambiance of their new place.
>
> ***
> We just got our new place and are doing the kitchen in a country theme,
> the basis is John Deere, and we wanted to see if anyone had anything
> collecting dust, we would gladly take it off of your hands!
>
> John Deere or anything that would fit our "country kitchen" theme would
> be great.
> ***
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[MBZ] Making fun of Freecyclers

[Rich Thomas]

I am taking a really wild guess and deciding that this person is 
serious.  Can't quite figure, but there you go.  Maybe I'll unload some 
poker-playing-dog and children-with-big-eyes paintings on them, just to 
elevate the artistic ambiance of their new place.


***
We just got our new place and are doing the kitchen in a country theme,
the basis is John Deere, and we wanted to see if anyone had anything
collecting dust, we would gladly take it off of your hands!

John Deere or anything that would fit our "country kitchen" theme would
be great.
***

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Re: [MBZ] Obama not born here another view

[MG]

That's kind of what I was thinking. Unfortunately I sent this before I 
had a chance to catch up on all the back messages on the list. After I 
sent it I saw all the messages on this a few hours later. I guess I need 
to read faster and wait till I finish before I send any messages. I'm 
usually so far behind that I don't find much to comment on by the time I 
get to it.


Manfred



Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:10:34 -0400
From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Obama not born here another view

M G wrote:
>
>
 http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_video_that_could_change_the_election/

That's the interview with Phil Berg that I linked yesterday. Berg is
 widely
regarded as a nutcase, but that nutcase is an experienced prosecuting
 attorney
licensed to practice before the US Supreme Court, and there is possibly
 some
merit to what he's saying.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] W124 trip odometer

[Wonko the Sane]

No visible resolution after several attempts, but car is parked in the
garage. (Just finished putting on a second coat of polish.)

I will try it on the way to work tomorrow.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Push the button in and let your finger slip off and allow the button to
> snap out.  Fixes the problem
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Oct 19, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>  Its tricky.  It didnt used to work at all, I pulled it apart and fixed it.
>>  You have to push the botton several times, and sometimes it helps to
>> actually be moving.
>>
>> Wonko the Sane wrote:
>>
>>> Stopped for fuel this afternoon. Before pulling away (but with car not in
>>> motion, don't even think the transmission was in D yet) I reset the trip
>>> odometer. All digits flipped to 0 except for the 10ths, which went past 0
>>> and halfway to 9.
>>> Doesn't concern me that the trip odometer isn't working now but I get
>>> this
>>> annoying "click" each 10th of a mile now as the odometer tries to
>>> advance.
>>> If I pull the cluster completely out (had it mostly out today fixing dash
>>> lights) can I simply disable the trip odometer somehow, or is there an
>>> easy
>>> way to fix it? I seem to remember a write-up on repairing the W123 trip
>>> odometer.
>>> 
>>> No virus found in this incoming message.
>>> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database:
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>>>
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>>  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>>  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] W124 trip odometer

[Peter Frederick]

Push the button in and let your finger slip off and allow the button  
to snap out.  Fixes the problem


Peter

On Oct 19, 2008, at 6:22 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

Its tricky.  It didnt used to work at all, I pulled it apart and  
fixed it.  You have to push the botton several times, and sometimes  
it helps to actually be moving.


Wonko the Sane wrote:
Stopped for fuel this afternoon. Before pulling away (but with car  
not in
motion, don't even think the transmission was in D yet) I reset  
the trip
odometer. All digits flipped to 0 except for the 10ths, which went  
past 0

and halfway to 9.
Doesn't concern me that the trip odometer isn't working now but I  
get this
annoying "click" each 10th of a mile now as the odometer tries to  
advance.
If I pull the cluster completely out (had it mostly out today  
fixing dash
lights) can I simply disable the trip odometer somehow, or is  
there an easy
way to fix it? I seem to remember a write-up on repairing the W123  
trip

odometer.
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Re: [MBZ] gas prices

[Christopher McCann]

Amtrak does not go to Madison, WI either...you have to go about 45 minutes 
north to an abandoned station in a little town, the name of which I forget. 

Anyone ever take Amtrak to Deming, NM? Thoughts on the "station"? LOL!

-Chris





From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Diesel List 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 8:29:22 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas prices

Apologies for coming to this way late but...

When I went to Iowa to not buy LT Don's car I thought it might be nice to take 
the train home. Train is all full from Chicago to NYC, no worries, its cheap to 
fly from Chicago to Boston, we'll take the train to Chicago, spend the night 
with friends and fly home. Oh wait, we need to return our rental car in Des 
Moines but the train leaves from Ottumwa (home of Radar O'Reily). There is ONE 
bus company that goes to Ottumwa from Des Moines. The train leaves Ottumwa at 
like 10am, the bus arrives at like 10:05am.
Let me state it more clearly There is NO WAY (short of having somebody drive 
you) to go from Des Moines to Ottumwa to catch the train to Chicago without 
spending the night in Ottumwa...
Its 90 miles, why doesn't the train go through Des Moines?

And we're surprised that Amtrak can't make any money. I can't believe thats the 
only stupid part of it.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:18:27 -0400
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas prices
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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it works with the airport as it sticks you right in the terminal.  parking
anywhere near the terminal is astronomically expensive and parking way out
is also not cheap.  there is a delta counter right in the station.

there are some downsides.  MARTA is not 24 hours, so if you have a very late
or very early flight, it might not work out.  When the system is shut down,
all the homeless people get thrown out and they return when the system goes
back up.  so if you need to get a very early train, it will pretty much be
you and the homeless.  most of them are ok, but some are seriously crazy and
can disturb your mood, particularly if you are traveling with others you
feel the need to be protective of.  the idea of getting into a fight with
some homeless guy at 5AM might appeal to some, but it's not something I
really ever want to be part of.

the train, however, still involves the car as I am 15 miles or so from the
nearest train station.  it really is a matter of whether you I prefer to
park cheaply and take the train into a terminal or park for more money and
then take some sort of shuttle into the terminal.

mass transit works best in areas where population is very dense and
plentiful. it makes sense between DC and Boston and in parts of California.
otherwise, this country is just too big and spread out.  on the other hand,
the old intercity rail systems did the job in the days before most people
had cars.  was it the wider distribution of cars  that destroyed them or was
it an active conspiracy of the auto and tire makers that brought them down?

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Re: [MBZ] A/C numbers

[RELNGSON]

> .# on vertical stabilizer should be the serial # - at least part of it. 
> First digit is often left off, but if it's 42-29782, it still seems high. 
> That's llikely it, though
> 
Clearly, I am losing it.

B-29 44-69729
B-17 229782

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Re: [MBZ] gas prices

[Curt Raymond]

Apologies for coming to this way late but...

When I went to Iowa to not buy LT Don's car I thought it might be nice to take 
the train home. Train is all full from Chicago to NYC, no worries, its cheap to 
fly from Chicago to Boston, we'll take the train to Chicago, spend the night 
with friends and fly home. Oh wait, we need to return our rental car in Des 
Moines but the train leaves from Ottumwa (home of Radar O'Reily). There is ONE 
bus company that goes to Ottumwa from Des Moines. The train leaves Ottumwa at 
like 10am, the bus arrives at like 10:05am.
Let me state it more clearly There is NO WAY (short of having somebody drive 
you) to go from Des Moines to Ottumwa to catch the train to Chicago without 
spending the night in Ottumwa...
Its 90 miles, why doesn't the train go through Des Moines?

And we're surprised that Amtrak can't make any money. I can't believe thats the 
only stupid part of it.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 19:18:27 -0400
From: "Gary Hurst" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] gas prices
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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it works with the airport as it sticks you right in the terminal.  parking
anywhere near the terminal is astronomically expensive and parking way out
is also not cheap.  there is a delta counter right in the station.

there are some downsides.  MARTA is not 24 hours, so if you have a very late
or very early flight, it might not work out.  When the system is shut down,
all the homeless people get thrown out and they return when the system goes
back up.  so if you need to get a very early train, it will pretty much be
you and the homeless.  most of them are ok, but some are seriously crazy and
can disturb your mood, particularly if you are traveling with others you
feel the need to be protective of.  the idea of getting into a fight with
some homeless guy at 5AM might appeal to some, but it's not something I
really ever want to be part of.

the train, however, still involves the car as I am 15 miles or so from the
nearest train station.  it really is a matter of whether you I prefer to
park cheaply and take the train into a terminal or park for more money and
then take some sort of shuttle into the terminal.

mass transit works best in areas where population is very dense and
plentiful. it makes sense between DC and Boston and in parts of California.
otherwise, this country is just too big and spread out.  on the other hand,
the old intercity rail systems did the job in the days before most people
had cars.  was it the wider distribution of cars  that destroyed them or was
it an active conspiracy of the auto and tire makers that brought them down?

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up inCuba?

[Mitch Haley]

Scott Ritchey wrote:

Lincoln believed that the union would
continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the
precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he
went to war to keep the union intact.


That's mainly it. Remember the famous quote, something like "If I could preserve 
the union by ending slavery, I'd do it, and if I could preserve the union by 
preserving slavery, I'd do that too". The Repugnant Party was a new one at the 
time, with a lot of progressive ideas floating around. Many of Lincoln's friends 
in the party were abolitionists, Mary Todd Lincoln was too. Lincoln's personal 
feelings were probably along that line, but he was careful not to say it in 
public while running for election.
Many of the progressives left the Repugnant Party in 1912, which started the 
trend whereby the DemonRat Party got the reputation for progressive thought and 
the Repugnants were regarded as conservative.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] thoughts on possible First Amendment infringement

[kaleb]

rejected by what server?

> I have been playing with this link ( *http://tinyurl.com/5szzc4*or
> *http://preview.tinyurl.com/5szzc4 *) from thebulletin *dot* us for most
> of the last 24 hours.  If I simply try send just the "www thebulletin
> us" (with '.' added in correctly) as an address to be clicked on or
> copied/pasted into a web browser, my email is rejected by the server
> EVERY time.  I've replied and sent other hyperlinks and none of them
> have been rejected.  This is really getting under my skin and I'm going
> to do something about it.  I will contact the email hosting company
> tomorrow and I would like everyone's thoughts on this before I call.
>
> Thanks,
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Re: [MBZ] Oz and US forms of government

[Wonko the Sane]

http://www.wthefilm.com/

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> what do you call that kind of government you have, the one where people who
> express unpopular opinions are extradited to far off lands and weaker
> sovereign nations that have unpopular practices are murdered?
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Wonko the Sane]

I am not sure when I last did donuts in any vehicle -- but I am sure the
time is counted in decades rather than years or months. Always seemed to me
to be a useless exercise in vehicle abuse, often fueled by excessive
testosterone and cheap beer. Full-throttle acceleration and breaking the
tires loose during an upshift are viewed as cleaning out the carbon.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sure, but when is the last time you did a few donuts in a local dirt road
> intersection???  :)  It's a 240, NOT your 300E :)
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Oz and US forms of government

[Gary Hurst]

what do you call that kind of government you have, the one where people who
express unpopular opinions are extradited to far off lands and weaker
sovereign nations that have unpopular practices are murdered?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> The actual form of Government is not the problem it's the people in the
> Government that is the worry.
> The two party system does have a lot of faults but a system of many parties
> and independents will also cause problems.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Archer wrote:
>
>> One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did what he
> considered to be best for the US.
> Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and wanting
> to
> run the US?
> Hendrik
>
 ---
>> If the Australian and the U.S. governments were changed, to what forms of
>> government would you change them?  The Swiss governmental system seems
>> interesting.
>> Gerry
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Oz and US forms of government

[Hendrik & Fay]

The actual form of Government is not the problem it's the people in the 
Government that is the worry.
The two party system does have a lot of faults but a system of many 
parties and independents will also cause problems.


Hendrik

Archer wrote:
One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did 
what he

considered to be best for the US.
Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and 
wanting to

run the US?
Hendrik

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If the Australian and the U.S. governments were changed, to what forms 
of government would you change them?  The Swiss governmental system 
seems interesting.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up inCuba?

[Gary Hurst]

he's some kind of australian revisionist who believe in just killing
everyone who disagrees with him.  i didn't know that such people still
existed.  frightening.

if a sovereign nation has policies that you don't agree with, just burn and
kill them until they comply.  maybe that is how they do it in sydney and tel
aviv, but i'd like to think the average american finds this outlook as
shocking as i do.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:17 PM, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The US Civil War was about more than slavery.  At that time the main
> federal
> tax was import duties.  The south, having little ability to manufacture
> goods paid a very disproportionate share of these taxes while the north
> made
> a lot of their own stuff and didn't need many imports.  Lincoln's
> emancipation proclamation was a political move that only freed slaves in
> the
> south while any slaves in the north (still slaves under Dred-Scott) were
> not
> effected.  The primary result was to push back open support for the south
> in
> Europe and the UK who were then anti-slave.  Practically speaking, slavery
> was already doomed in the US because machines would be more economical in a
> just a few years. The real issue was secession and slavery was just one
> factor.  The south believed that they because they joined the union
> voluntarily and could also leave if they wanted to.  The constitution was
> silent (and still is) on that issue. Lincoln believed that the union would
> continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the
> precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he
> went to war to keep the union intact.  By any measure, it was the worst war
> in US history.  One wonders how the history of the world would be different
> if the south had been allowed to secede.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 03:05
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up
> inCuba?
>
> Yeah I know that 'rule of law' thing is a bummer, especially when the US
> has to set up a concentration camp in Cuba (of all places, perhaps they
> put it on an old disused missile site) and then kidnap people from all
> over the world and torture them there.
> Apparently a couple of Oz citizens where 'invited' there as well. Of
> course the British being cultured and having a rule of law, made a big
> noise about their citizens being there and I suppose have a bit of clout
> in Washington and their people got let go pretty quick. Now we are a bit
> more laid back and trusting I suppose and believed that the people being
> held in the camp where big terrorists and this was all part of winning
> the war on terror. However our patience did grow a bit thin after a
> while (years) and the former PM had an election coming up and finally
> worked up the courage to ask George if it would be possible to do
> something about the guests of the US of A (ooh sorry that should be
> guests of the socialist republic of Cuba) (oooh double sorry that should
> be guests of the US military). All of a sudden a secret trial/military
> tribunal was organized and the person in question got released into Oz
> custody to do a few more months in the local jail and is not allowed to
> talk about any of this to anyone, otherwise we might have to let the US
> kidnap him again.
>
> Anyway if the South didn't want a war, all they had to do was to act
> civilized and abolish slavery. Now you might be OK with some states of
> the Union stealing people from Africa and forcing them to work for
> nothing and thereby denying them their basic human rights (apparently
> there is something about the rights of people in the constitution) but
> apparently the southern states did not read the constitution or felt it
> did not apply to them in that regard.
> My guess is that Lincoln felt the south was governed by people who went
> against the constitution and as such the war was justified in his view.
> Perhaps Lincoln really believed that America was the land of the free,
> as opposed to having underclasses of people with lesser rights.
>
> Now as far as that Holocaust denier goes, for one thing he was warned
> that if he didn't stop his stuff he would have the book thrown at him.
> He was well aware that he was violating German law and that the British
> where not going to hide him.
> Now are you going to maintain your stance that he was kidnapped or was
> he legally extradited?
> My take is that he is an embarrassment to the Australian nation and as
> long as everything is legal (including the right to a fair trial in an
> timely manner) they can stick him in jail for as long as they want and I
> don't think anyone in Oz will even care. He is an idiot saying stupid
> things to stir up trouble or whatever his plans are, whilst saying
> stupid things is not against the law here, it is in German

Re: [MBZ] thoughts on possible First Amendment infringement

[Rick Knoble]

>I would like everyone's thoughts on this before I call. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Luther

Just seeing if I can get it through my ISP...
http://www.thebulletin.us/site/index.cfm?newsid=20168225&BRD=2737&PAG=461&dept_id=576361&rfi=8

Rick Knoble 
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Curt Raymond]

Well back around Christmas Angie had to drive home (about 10 miles) in first 
gear as the trans wouldn't shift up at all.
I drained some out and put in the Lucas, I figured I had nothing to lose at 
that point. I ran it around the neighborhood some (still in first) and put it 
to bed. On Christmas eve (the following day) I ran it around some more and 
found that if I manually shifted into neutral it would then shift up although 
sometimes there was a delay. After more driving (my 190D was getting a new 
starter) it would shift up and down and hardly ever need the neutral trick. I 
had the fluid and filter changed with Mobil 1 and it got even better. Now its 
been oh maybe 15,000 miles and its back.
Remember this is a Dodge Dakota v8 with 220,000 miles on the original trans 
(well, probably original, I bought it with 58,000) and its been worked hard.

I *think* its a sticky valve, the Lucas appears to be ATF with extra detergents 
and some thickener. I only used about half the bottle (the bottle is a quart) 
last time. Figure I'll do the same now, again I've got nothing to lose. I am 
NOT planning on rebuilding the trans in this truck, that'd be dumb, its got 
220,000 miles, it needs a heatercore, radiator, exhaust, and has some pretty 
nasty rust plus some of the paint has failed so rust there is just a matter of 
time. The bumper for instance is just chrome plating foil at this point, theres 
very little metal left. Oh I forgot the transfer case which is also pretty much 
shot... Its been a great truck but its at the end of its useful life.

-Curt

--- On Sun, 10/19/08, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, October 19, 2008, 9:33 PM

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was change the fluid and filter.  I used Mobil 1 
ATF and have NEVER regretted the choice.  Less than 1,000mi after the 
change I noticed that I could use heavy throttle, and soon thereafter I 
could hit full throttle from a stop.  This coupe will bark the tires on 
the 1-2 shift!  The trans still works like it should over 20,000 mi later. 

Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:
> Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I
own 85 acres in northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my
folks and my wife and I manage to not kill each other living in one room for a
week. This trip was the first with the new dog and he worked out just fine.
>
> Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the
Portland area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much
that by the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left
Portland... At one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning
home I see diesel fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D
before we left, now I'm glad I didn't...
>
> Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the
sticky valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the
way up, a couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I
definately smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of
the Lucas additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There
seems to be a large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000
range which should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so
the pickup will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same
thing)/firewood/scrap haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't
need to be new. Wish I could justify a diesel but no way...
>
> -Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up inCuba?

[Scott Ritchey]

The US Civil War was about more than slavery.  At that time the main federal
tax was import duties.  The south, having little ability to manufacture
goods paid a very disproportionate share of these taxes while the north made
a lot of their own stuff and didn't need many imports.  Lincoln's
emancipation proclamation was a political move that only freed slaves in the
south while any slaves in the north (still slaves under Dred-Scott) were not
effected.  The primary result was to push back open support for the south in
Europe and the UK who were then anti-slave.  Practically speaking, slavery
was already doomed in the US because machines would be more economical in a
just a few years. The real issue was secession and slavery was just one
factor.  The south believed that they because they joined the union
voluntarily and could also leave if they wanted to.  The constitution was
silent (and still is) on that issue. Lincoln believed that the union would
continue to fragment (like Germany) over every little issue once the
precedent was set so, despite much political resistance in the north, he
went to war to keep the union intact.  By any measure, it was the worst war
in US history.  One wonders how the history of the world would be different
if the south had been allowed to secede. 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Hendrik & Fay
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 03:05
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen or will he end up
inCuba?

Yeah I know that 'rule of law' thing is a bummer, especially when the US 
has to set up a concentration camp in Cuba (of all places, perhaps they 
put it on an old disused missile site) and then kidnap people from all 
over the world and torture them there.
Apparently a couple of Oz citizens where 'invited' there as well. Of 
course the British being cultured and having a rule of law, made a big 
noise about their citizens being there and I suppose have a bit of clout 
in Washington and their people got let go pretty quick. Now we are a bit 
more laid back and trusting I suppose and believed that the people being 
held in the camp where big terrorists and this was all part of winning 
the war on terror. However our patience did grow a bit thin after a 
while (years) and the former PM had an election coming up and finally 
worked up the courage to ask George if it would be possible to do 
something about the guests of the US of A (ooh sorry that should be 
guests of the socialist republic of Cuba) (oooh double sorry that should 
be guests of the US military). All of a sudden a secret trial/military 
tribunal was organized and the person in question got released into Oz 
custody to do a few more months in the local jail and is not allowed to 
talk about any of this to anyone, otherwise we might have to let the US 
kidnap him again.

Anyway if the South didn't want a war, all they had to do was to act 
civilized and abolish slavery. Now you might be OK with some states of 
the Union stealing people from Africa and forcing them to work for 
nothing and thereby denying them their basic human rights (apparently 
there is something about the rights of people in the constitution) but 
apparently the southern states did not read the constitution or felt it 
did not apply to them in that regard.
My guess is that Lincoln felt the south was governed by people who went 
against the constitution and as such the war was justified in his view.
Perhaps Lincoln really believed that America was the land of the free, 
as opposed to having underclasses of people with lesser rights.

Now as far as that Holocaust denier goes, for one thing he was warned 
that if he didn't stop his stuff he would have the book thrown at him. 
He was well aware that he was violating German law and that the British 
where not going to hide him.
Now are you going to maintain your stance that he was kidnapped or was 
he legally extradited?
My take is that he is an embarrassment to the Australian nation and as 
long as everything is legal (including the right to a fair trial in an 
timely manner) they can stick him in jail for as long as they want and I 
don't think anyone in Oz will even care. He is an idiot saying stupid 
things to stir up trouble or whatever his plans are, whilst saying 
stupid things is not against the law here, it is in Germany.

Hendrik
who is off to do some domestic chores because we don't have no servants, 
paid or not

Gary Hurst wrote:
> we have something in this country called "rule of law" (as opposed to your
> country where you let foreign nations kidnap your citizens because they
say
> things that offend the german government).  states are sovereign entities
> here that enter into a voluntary union with other states.  the traditional
> understanding is that these states can leave the union just as they
entered
> it.
>
> a young man joins a gang and then realizes that  the gang is not really
the
> best 

[MBZ] thoughts on possible First Amendment infringement

[Luther]

I have been playing with this link ( *http://tinyurl.com/5szzc4*or 
*http://preview.tinyurl.com/5szzc4 *) from thebulletin *dot* us for most 
of the last 24 hours.  If I simply try send just the "www thebulletin 
us" (with '.' added in correctly) as an address to be clicked on or 
copied/pasted into a web browser, my email is rejected by the server 
EVERY time.  I've replied and sent other hyperlinks and none of them 
have been rejected.  This is really getting under my skin and I'm going 
to do something about it.  I will contact the email hosting company 
tomorrow and I would like everyone's thoughts on this before I call. 


Thanks,
Luther
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

he is not deformed:  physically, mentally and spiritually?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:02 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> Guess they are waiting for your thoughtful insights about deformed
> Presidents doing deranged things.
>
> Hendrik
>
> Gary Hurst wrote:
>
>> isn't wikipedia supposed to be against biased propaganda?
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Hendrik & Fay]

Guess they are waiting for your thoughtful insights about deformed 
Presidents doing deranged things.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

isn't wikipedia supposed to be against biased propaganda?

  
  



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Re: [MBZ] Obama not born here another view

[Luther]

This the same fellow that the article I posted from www thebulletin us 
was taken from.  This is also the web link that kept getting my outgoing 
emails refused...


I'm personally very curious as to the outcome of this, but any smart 
person can make a very compelling case with bullfeces.   The judge needs 
to rule on this ASAP and not allow Obama to use any delay tactics to 
push this under the rug until after the election.


Luther

M G wrote:

What do you guys think of this video? I have heard the
claims before but never with all these details.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_video_that_could_change_the_election/

Manfred

  



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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

isn't wikipedia supposed to be against biased propaganda?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
> This is the one, perhaps you call it the Northern war of aggression or
> something else but most people call it the American civil war.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_wa
> Hendrik
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> There was no civil war in the US, what are you talking about?
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Luther]

Sure, but when is the last time you did a few donuts in a local dirt 
road intersection???  :)  It's a 240, NOT your 300E :)


Luther

Wonko the Sane wrote:

So will my 240D if the engine is warmed up.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

  

 This coupe will bark the tires on the 1-2 shift!






  


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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Wonko the Sane]

So will my 240D if the engine is warmed up.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:33 PM, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  This coupe will bark the tires on the 1-2 shift!
>
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Re: [MBZ] Trans fluid

[Luther]

DO NOT use the Lucas.  My '82 300CD's previous owner did that because 
they (and it was "confirmed" by the MB stealership) thought that the 
trans was in need of a rebuild.  The trans would slip out of first and 
second gears from a stop at anything more than light-moderate throttle.  
Once it was rolling about 10-15mph, it would take a full throttle run 
without any problems.
The first thing I did was change the fluid and filter.  I used Mobil 1 
ATF and have NEVER regretted the choice.  Less than 1,000mi after the 
change I noticed that I could use heavy throttle, and soon thereafter I 
could hit full throttle from a stop.  This coupe will bark the tires on 
the 1-2 shift!  The trans still works like it should over 20,000 mi later. 


Luther

Curt Raymond wrote:

Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I own 85 acres in 
northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my folks and my wife and I 
manage to not kill each other living in one room for a week. This trip was the first with 
the new dog and he worked out just fine.

Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the Portland 
area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much that by 
the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left Portland... At 
one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning home I see diesel 
fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D before we left, 
now I'm glad I didn't...

Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the sticky 
valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the way up, a 
couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I definately 
smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of the Lucas 
additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There seems to be a 
large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000 range which 
should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so the pickup 
will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same thing)/firewood/scrap 
haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't need to be new. Wish I 
could justify a diesel but no way...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Wonko the Sane]

Naw, if I *cared* I would have said something when you took it.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:32 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> yea I had to since there was no jack in the 190, in the event of a flat.  I
> can send you one if you want
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea I had to since there was no jack in the 190, in the event of a flat. 
 I can send you one if you want


Wonko the Sane wrote:

You came out about $100 ahead, since you took the jack out of the 300E while
you were moving stuff from the 300E to the Quantum. But that is okay -- I
prefer a bottle jack anyway.

Fixed the dash lights today.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:


yea, thats was pretty stupid on my part.  I would have probably got more
money for the 300E than if I go to sell the vw.

OK Don wrote:


If you did, it's your own fault - again!

Did you REALLY trade an MB for a VW ?


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wrote:


i got screwed






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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Wonko the Sane]

You came out about $100 ahead, since you took the jack out of the 300E while
you were moving stuff from the 300E to the Quantum. But that is okay -- I
prefer a bottle jack anyway.

Fixed the dash lights today.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 6:16 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> yea, thats was pretty stupid on my part.  I would have probably got more
> money for the 300E than if I go to sell the vw.
>
> OK Don wrote:
>
>> If you did, it's your own fault - again!
>>
>> Did you REALLY trade an MB for a VW ?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> i got screwed
>>>
>>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Back from camp

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

I think I need to buy some land up in Maine, its pretty cheap.


And if you own land there, you can spend more time with Regina's family.

Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] W124 trip odometer

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Its tricky.  It didnt used to work at all, I pulled it apart and fixed 
it.  You have to push the botton several times, and sometimes it helps 
to actually be moving.


Wonko the Sane wrote:

Stopped for fuel this afternoon. Before pulling away (but with car not in
motion, don't even think the transmission was in D yet) I reset the trip
odometer. All digits flipped to 0 except for the 10ths, which went past 0
and halfway to 9.

Doesn't concern me that the trip odometer isn't working now but I get this
annoying "click" each 10th of a mile now as the odometer tries to advance.

If I pull the cluster completely out (had it mostly out today fixing dash
lights) can I simply disable the trip odometer somehow, or is there an easy
way to fix it? I seem to remember a write-up on repairing the W123 trip
odometer.






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Re: [MBZ] OT: Back from camp

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

I think I need to buy some land up in Maine, its pretty cheap.

Curt Raymond wrote:

Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I own 85 acres in 
northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my folks and my wife and I 
manage to not kill each other living in one room for a week. This trip was the first with 
the new dog and he worked out just fine.

Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the Portland 
area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much that by 
the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left Portland... At 
one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning home I see diesel 
fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D before we left, 
now I'm glad I didn't...

Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the sticky 
valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the way up, a 
couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I definately 
smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of the Lucas 
additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There seems to be a 
large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000 range which 
should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so the pickup 
will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same thing)/firewood/scrap 
haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't need to be new. Wish I 
could justify a diesel but no way...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, I get screwed all the time.

Luther wrote:
So, by my count, you've been screwed by OK Don (the 300D 2.5), Lt Don 
(300E), and myself (SDL).  I could name a few that you (or someone you 
know) has screwed


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

i got screwed

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Freshly washed and waxed.

*TurtleWax Color Back* really works well for cleaning and polishing
previously-neglected paint.

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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yea, thats was pretty stupid on my part.  I would have probably got more 
money for the 300E than if I go to sell the vw.


OK Don wrote:

If you did, it's your own fault - again!

Did you REALLY trade an MB for a VW ?


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Well, a civil war is a war where at least 2 different sides are fighting 
over control over a country.  In this case, the south wanted to 
completely start their own, not control the whole thing.  So calling it 
the civil war is really not accurate.


Rolf wrote:

Was it a war of Northern Aggression then?

 From the state where they can't teach about the war of Northern 
Aggression.


-Rolf

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

There was no civil war in the US, what are you talking about?

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
OK lets look at Lincoln, it's been a while since I studied the civil 
war but to simplify it, Lincoln had three choices, one appease the 
separatists and let the south keep slavery in place, two let the 
union break apart (thus the US would be split in two and may well 
have taken different sides in the European civil wars, leading to all 
sorts of complication, perhaps even delaying the American civil war 
until such a time when military technology had progressed but tactics 
had not) or option three, stand up to the separatists.
I don't what your thoughts are on what should have happened but I 
feel that it was pretty much inevitable that there was going to be a 
war, whether over slavery or other issues. Lincoln knew this and 
figured on the balance of things it is better to take a stand in the 
beginning, rather than slowly retreat on issues until such time that 
further retreat is not an option.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

yeah, dubya has to join the rogues gallery as well . roosevelt was just
crippled in body and spirit.  lincoln seemed organically brain 
damaged as

well.  dubya?  just THAT stupid and mean.

 
  



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[MBZ] W124 trip odometer

[Wonko the Sane]

Stopped for fuel this afternoon. Before pulling away (but with car not in
motion, don't even think the transmission was in D yet) I reset the trip
odometer. All digits flipped to 0 except for the 10ths, which went past 0
and halfway to 9.

Doesn't concern me that the trip odometer isn't working now but I get this
annoying "click" each 10th of a mile now as the odometer tries to advance.

If I pull the cluster completely out (had it mostly out today fixing dash
lights) can I simply disable the trip odometer somehow, or is there an easy
way to fix it? I seem to remember a write-up on repairing the W123 trip
odometer.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is John Sidney McCain a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

i'm shocked that you said that.  what company i keep!

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At the time McCain was born in Panama, the CZ was considered US soil, as
> was the hospital he was born in.  No real question about citizenship, unlike
> the colored boy
>
> clay
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
>  John Freer wrote:
>>
>>> So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.
>>>
>>
>> Senate Democrats jumped on that as a means to set the precedent that the
>> Senate gets to retroactively declare someone to be a natural born citizen.
>> Perhaps in case they want to do it again with Obama?
>> http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
>>
>> The difference here is that the law already clearly stated that McCain was
>> a citizen at birth, and there is still room for doubt with
>> Obama/Soetoro/whatever his last name is. Both McCain's parents were lifetime
>> citizens, both had reached the age of 19, and both were lifetime residents.
>> Even if they weren't overseas on military assignment, their son would have
>> been a citizen.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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[MBZ] OT: Back from camp

[Curt Raymond]

Just returned from our second yearly "week at camp". Dad and I own 85 acres in 
northern Maine with a little 1 room camp on it. Twice a year my folks and my 
wife and I manage to not kill each other living in one room for a week. This 
trip was the first with the new dog and he worked out just fine.

Gas in northern Maine is usually $.10-.20 more expensive than in the Portland 
area but interestingly over the course of the week prices fell so much that by 
the time we left the price of gas was lower than when we left Portland... At 
one stop on the way up gas fell $0.10 during lunch. Returning home I see diesel 
fell $0.30 while we were away. I was going to refuel the 190D before we left, 
now I'm glad I didn't...

Anyway my Dodge is definately on the way out, the trans is playing the sticky 
valve game again where it won't upshift. Did it a couple times on the way up, a 
couple times while we were there and now seems to have stopped. I definately 
smelled trans fluid a couple times too. I'm going to put some of the Lucas 
additive in again and start looking harder for a new truck. There seems to be a 
large crop of full size pickups from 2002ish on sale in the $5000 range which 
should fit the bill fine. Angie will be driving a car from now on so the pickup 
will be the trash/snowmobile (sometimes they're the same thing)/firewood/scrap 
haulin mostly weekend mobile and definately doesn't need to be new. Wish I 
could justify a diesel but no way...

-Curt


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[Redghost]

I am for wealth accumulation through hard labor.  If you do not labor,  
you do not accumulate wealth, and therefore must depend upon the  
kindness of strangers who will not give you enough to get through the  
month without your having to labor.


If you do not work, you do not eat, and then you get to die and make  
room for those who will labor.


clay

On Oct 19, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Tom Hargrave wrote:

The greatest wealth redistribution system this country has seen to  
date

is the Earned Income Credit program. And because of Earned Income
Credit, funds are pulled from the Northern States and handed to the
Southern States one poor mother at a time. It's so bad that because of
Earned Income Credit, Mississippi actually draws a profit from the
Federal tax system. What's really a shame is that those in the North
East really aren't any richer, they just pass more cash though their
hands & pass a good perventage off to their greater tax burden.

But the damage runs even deeper & I have proof. Years ago, two of my
Sister in'laws & their families refused to improve their financial
position by finding better paying jobs for fear of loosing their  
Earned
Incom Credit. When the kids aged out & moved on, they lost their  
Earned

Income Credit & both families were very bitter about the loss - they
believed and still believe that the Government owed it to them.

Now the children of both families are having babies & are doing the
exact same thing! To-date 3 nieces & 1 nephew belonging to these two
families qualify & draw and when I pose the "do you want to find a
better job" question to them, I get the same response I got from their
parents!

So, who's for weath redistribution in this country? Not Me!!!

Tom
www.kegkits.com


- Original Message -
From: Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: 10/19/08 4:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
CC:
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?  - flag pin

IMHO, in the real world when governments try to redistribute wealth
either
(a) the rich get richer and the poor get poorer or (b) the entire
economy
goes in the dumper so the rich leave and the poor get poorer.  I  
suspect

a
great deal of the current economic mess is a direct result of
politicians
trying to redistribute wealth and/or but votes.  I believe the US has
serious short-term and a long-term economic problems.  The short term
problem is a lack of confidence in the banking system (overvalued
collateral) that produced the current liquidity crisis.  The long term
problem is that the US has, to a great degree, divested itself (except
for
farming) from the actual production of wealth by exporting those
activities
to other countries ... for environmental, regulatory, and financial
reasons.
I think this recession is only the beginning.

Scott Ritchey

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 15:57
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

Are you wearing your lapel pin all the time? Personally I don't have
one.
Does that make me un-American?  The two kids I have in the military  
[the
third is out now] would disagree.  I agree with many economists that  
the
redistribution of wealth in the past 8 years - some hundreds of  
billions

of
$ annually from the middle class to the top few percent, does need
something
of a reversal.  What Obama actually said to someone who presented
themselves
as making over $250k a year is that we do need to "spread the wealth
around."  You would prefer the continued transfer from middle class to
upper
class?  For anyone on here who makes profit in excess of $250k a year,
would
the extra few % on the amount over that $250k somehow destroy your
business
or life style?  What has become a central point in the message of  
McCain

has
the situation, the character and the 'facts' of the case all made up,
which
doesn't provide much confidence in McCain or his staff, even if he  
wears

a
flag lapel pin on his pajamas.  Certainly there is a real person out  
in

the
United States somewhere who could have made the point without making  
so

much
of it up.
BillR

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

why does obama refuse to wear the US flag lapel pin?

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)


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Re: [MBZ] OT:Bernanke Is Fighting the Last War

[Mitch Haley]

I copied and pasted that article from a blog, and the "Jesse" comments placed 
within it are written by the blogger. Sorry for the confusion.

http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[Redghost]

What is this "profit" crap?

Taxable income over 250K is not profit.  Just because you were able to  
have an income and not enough deductions does not make your income  
"profit".


I am pretty sure I am using my share of the income to provide  
healthcare to my family, education, housing, transportation and  
juicing the economy by consuming food and hard goods.  At the end of  
the year I would not consider that "profit" having spent or invested  
it all.  Even tithe a goodly portion for the betterment of those less  
blessed.


Now if Bamo the insane is thinking of taxing "pure profit" above 250k  
on businesses, that is possible, but not acceptable to go after  
citizens who have an income of 250k.  Salary is not profit.


clay

On Oct 19, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Bill R wrote:

Are you wearing your lapel pin all the time? Personally I don't have  
one.
Does that make me un-American?  The two kids I have in the military  
[the
third is out now] would disagree.  I agree with many economists that  
the
redistribution of wealth in the past 8 years - some hundreds of  
billions of
$ annually from the middle class to the top few percent, does need  
something
of a reversal.  What Obama actually said to someone who presented  
themselves

as making over $250k a year is that we do need to "spread the wealth
around."  You would prefer the continued transfer from middle class  
to upper
class?  For anyone on here who makes profit in excess of $250k a  
year, would
the extra few % on the amount over that $250k somehow destroy your  
business
or life style?  What has become a central point in the message of  
McCain has
the situation, the character and the 'facts' of the case all made  
up, which
doesn't provide much confidence in McCain or his staff, even if he  
wears a
flag lapel pin on his pajamas.  Certainly there is a real person out  
in the
United States somewhere who could have made the point without making  
so much

of it up.
BillR

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:25 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

why does obama refuse to wear the US flag lapel pin?

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)


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[MBZ] OT:Bernanke Is Fighting the Last War

[Mitch Haley]

Bernanke Is Fighting the Last War
By BRIAN M. CARNEY
New York

'Everything works much better when wrong decisions are punished and good 
decisions make you rich."


On Aug. 9, 2007, central banks around the world first intervened to stanch what 
has become a massive credit crunch.


Since then, the Federal Reserve and the Treasury have taken a series of 
increasingly drastic emergency actions to get lending flowing again. The central 
bank has lent out hundreds of billions of dollars, accepted collateral that in 
the past it would never have touched, and opened direct lending to institutions 
that have never had that privilege. The Treasury has deployed billions more. And 
yet, "Nothing," Anna Schwartz says, "seems to have quieted the fears of either 
the investors in the securities markets or the lenders and would-be borrowers in 
the credit market."


The credit markets remain frozen, the stock market continues to get hammered, 
and deep recession now seems a certainty -- if not a reality already.


Most people now living have never seen a credit crunch like the one we are 
currently enduring. Ms. Schwartz, 92 years old, is one of the exceptions. She's 
not only old enough to remember the period from 1929 to 1933, she may know more 
about monetary history and banking than anyone alive. She co-authored, with 
Milton Friedman, "A Monetary History of the United States" (1963). It's the 
definitive account of how misguided monetary policy turned the stock-market 
crash of 1929 into the Great Depression.


Since 1941, Ms. Schwartz has reported for work at the National Bureau of 
Economic Research in New York, where we met Thursday morning for an interview. 
She is currently using a wheelchair after a recent fall and laments her "many 
infirmities," but those are all physical; her mind is as sharp as ever. She 
speaks with passion and just a hint of resignation about the current financial 
situation. And looking at how the authorities have handled it so far, she 
doesn't like what she sees.


Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke has called the 888-page "Monetary History" 
"the leading and most persuasive explanation of the worst economic disaster in 
American history." Ms. Schwartz thinks that our central bankers and our Treasury 
Department are getting it wrong again.


To understand why, one first has to understand the nature of the current "credit 
market disturbance," as Ms. Schwartz delicately calls it. We now hear almost 
every day that banks will not lend to each other, or will do so only at punitive 
interest rates. Credit spreads -- the difference between what it costs the 
government to borrow and what private-sector borrowers must pay -- are at 
historic highs.


This is not due to a lack of money available to lend, Ms. Schwartz says, but to 
a lack of faith in the ability of borrowers to repay their debts. "The Fed," she 
argues, "has gone about as if the problem is a shortage of liquidity. That is 
not the basic problem. The basic problem for the markets is that [uncertainty] 
that the balance sheets of financial firms are credible."


So even though the Fed has flooded the credit markets with cash, spreads haven't 
budged because banks don't know who is still solvent and who is not. This 
uncertainty, says Ms. Schwartz, is "the basic problem in the credit market. 
Lending freezes up when lenders are uncertain that would-be borrowers have the 
resources to repay them. So to assume that the whole problem is inadequate 
liquidity bypasses the real issue."


In the 1930s, as Ms. Schwartz and Mr. Friedman argued in "A Monetary History," 
the country and the Federal Reserve were faced with a liquidity crisis in the 
banking sector. As banks failed, depositors became alarmed that they'd lose 
their money if their bank, too, failed. So bank runs began, and these became 
self-reinforcing: "If the borrowers hadn't withdrawn cash, they [the banks] 
would have been in good shape. But the Fed just sat by and did nothing, so bank 
after bank failed. And that only motivated depositors to withdraw funds from 
banks that were not in distress," deepening the crisis and causing still more 
failures.


But "that's not what's going on in the market now," Ms. Schwartz says. Today, 
the banks have a problem on the asset side of their ledgers -- "all these exotic 
securities that the market does not know how to value."


"Why are they 'toxic'?" Ms. Schwartz asks. "They're toxic because you cannot 
sell them, you don't know what they're worth, your balance sheet is not credible 
and the whole market freezes up. We don't know whom to lend to because we don't 
know who is sound. So if you could get rid of them, that would be an 
improvement." The only way to "get rid of them" is to sell them, which is why 
Ms. Schwartz thought that Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson's original proposal to 
buy these assets from the banks was "a step in the right direction."


The problem with that idea was, and is, how to price "toxic" ass

Re: [MBZ] Brake Pad Question

[Fmiser]

It seems than at Tue, 14 Oct 2008 20:38:28 -0700, ernest wrote:

> succinct, perhaps, but questionable...
> it's not likely that anyones first stop of the day is
> going to be when doing 70 in traffic,

I do - if I roll through the stop sign 0.1 miles from the end of
my driveway. 25 miles to the interstate with intersection at the
top of the hill. Shift down to 3rd to turn onto the onramp. 120
miles later is the big city.

> and due to the
> zero-clearance design of disc brakes, once pads are over their
> initial warmup it would take many dozens of miles in temps too
> cold to be safely running 70 for them to cool down enough to
> be an issue.

Does that mean you don't ever drive 300 miles on an Interstate
highway without stopping? I do.

And I _don't_ want brakes that change performance significantly
with temperature while driving on public roads.

--   Philip

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Joe The Plumber

[Allan Streib]

"OK Don" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Yes - those netting over $250,000 would have their taxes raised from
> the current 33% to 36%. That's going stop small businesses?

TANSTAAFL

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is John Sidney McCain a US Citizen?

[Wilton Strickland]

Yep, that's why it was called "Canal Zone" - US territory.
One of my neices was born in US Naval Hospital, Subic Bay Naval Base (US
territory), The Phillipines.  US  flag out front; her father a member of US
Navy - no question about her American citizenship.
]
Wilton

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is John Sidney McCain a US Citizen?


> At the time McCain was born in Panama, the CZ was considered US soil,
> as was the hospital he was born in.  No real question about
> citizenship, unlike the colored boy
>
> clay
>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> > John Freer wrote:
> >> So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.
> >
> > Senate Democrats jumped on that as a means to set the precedent that
> > the Senate gets to retroactively declare someone to be a natural
> > born citizen. Perhaps in case they want to do it again with Obama?
> > http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
> >
> > The difference here is that the law already clearly stated that
> > McCain was a citizen at birth, and there is still room for doubt
> > with Obama/Soetoro/whatever his last name is. Both McCain's parents
> > were lifetime citizens, both had reached the age of 19, and both
> > were lifetime residents. Even if they weren't overseas on military
> > assignment, their son would have been a citizen.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
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[MBZ] Fwd: OT: Is John Sidney McCain a US Citizen?

[John Freer]

I guess there must be something wrong with my ISP. Could have sworn that
kind of slang belongs on Banned or anywhere else but this List.

Clay, that ain't funny.
John

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 2:48 PM, Redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At the time McCain was born in Panama, the CZ was considered US soil, as
> was the hospital he was born in.  No real question about citizenship, unlike
> the colored boy
>
> clay
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> John Freer wrote:
>>
>>> So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.
>>>
>>
>> Senate Democrats jumped on that as a means to set the precedent that the
>> Senate gets to retroactively declare someone to be a natural born citizen.
>> Perhaps in case they want to do it again with Obama?
>> http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html
>>
>> The difference here is that the law already clearly stated that McCain was
>> a citizen at birth, and there is still room for doubt with
>> Obama/Soetoro/whatever his last name is. Both McCain's parents were lifetime
>> citizens, both had reached the age of 19, and both were lifetime residents.
>> Even if they weren't overseas on military assignment, their son would have
>> been a citizen.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[Wilton Strickland]

Absolutely, it all starts with the parents!!!  Too many parents don't give a
damned about teaching their children good manners, how to behave,
communicate well with others, respect for others and their property, the
need for an education or even to pull up their pants to a decent level!!!

Wilton

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> They don't do math very well, do they -- they'd be far better off
> working in a better job than keeping the earned income credit. Same
> with TANF, etc. I place the blame on the parents who didn't value a
> good education. No, it's not the schools fault - it's the parents.
>
>
> > But the damage runs even deeper & I have proof. Years ago, two of my
> > Sister in'laws & their families refused to improve their financial
> > position by finding better paying jobs for fear of loosing their Earned
> > Incom Credit. When the kids aged out & moved on, they lost their Earned
> > Income Credit & both families were very bitter about the loss - they
> > believed and still believe that the Government owed it to them.
> >
> > Now the children of both families are having babies & are doing the
> > exact same thing! To-date 3 nieces & 1 nephew belonging to these two
> > families qualify & draw and when I pose the "do you want to find a
> > better job" question to them, I get the same response I got from their
> > parents!
> >
> > So, who's for weath redistribution in this country? Not Me!!!
> >
> > Tom
> > www.kegkits.com
> >
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and
> mountaineering; all the rest are merely games."  - Ernest Hemingway
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Redghost]

I agree, Teddy was a superior president.  That franklin fellow as a  
disaster


clay

On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:24 PM, Hendrik & Fay wrote:

One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did  
what he considered to be best for the US.
Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and  
wanting to run the US?


Hendrik
ineligible to run.sorry guys, although that part of the  
constitution stinks of xenophobic discrimination, ironic for the  
great democrazy called the US of A


Peter Frederick wrote:

That's easy.

Ms. Palin is a very good example of a number of people I've met  
over the years (often of the non-denomiational variety, but hardly  
exclusively) who simply cannot differentiate the notion of public  
service from their concept of personal existence.  Not a full blown  
sociopath, but simply do not understand the concept that other's  
have any real existence at all, or that their actions might be in  
conflict with someone else's beliefs and that others might have a  
right to disagree or be correct in that disagreement.


As stated by an Alaskan newspaper reporter, when he asked a fellow  
political reporter if Palin had trouble with determining the  
difference between her official duties and her personal life, got  
the answer, "you don't understand -- for her there there IS no  
difference".  She is very sharp at discerning a way to make a  
distinction difference between herself and someone else, but there  
is no philosophical or ideological basis for that distinction, she  
will use whatever works and blithely discard it when it no longer  
works and simply refuse to acknowledge that she had any particular  
stance or made any particular statement.  She operates solely on  
pure personal loyalty, and has been known to savage "friends",  
political or personal,  who fail to support her unquestioningly,  
especially when she makes one of her about-faces on policy.


I've taught some University classes, and you run across this type  
pretty often.  They are both male and female, appear quite bright,  
but usually only memorize words and word patterns.  They are quite  
good at memorizing scripts, but have serious difficulties with  
synthesis (that is, understanding a concept and evaluating the  
dynamics of problems, troubleshooting, or producing solutions to  
problems that are not examples in the textbook, as they don't  
really understand things).  They can appear quite articulate until  
you carefully analyze what they are saying, at which point it often  
becomes either circular logic or variations upon a set group of  
catch phrases.  A pattern of tossing out jumbled ideas in  
conversation is typical, and when you appear to agree with  
something partially, that phrase or idea will be modified to suit  
what appears to be your interpretation, although what gets repeated  
or passed on will not be the same.


A great deal of hot air has been passed around about her  
intelligence and perspicacity, but I suspect she just memorizes  
well, and in fact is doing a very poor job as Governor of Alaska.   
Easy state to be Governor of -- awash in money, with more readily  
available at any time by raising oil royalties and taxes.  No State  
income tax, low sales taxes, no real reliance on the population for  
financial support, and a population who doesn't really care what  
the state government does so long as it doesn't impinge much on the  
citizens life much except in terms of services received.  Alaska is  
the recipient of vastly more Federal money per capital than any  
other state, and I've not seen Palin say anything about that -- I'm  
sure she would have some nasty smart-alec  comment that other  
states should just do as good a job at lobbying as they do.


Very poor choice for a Governor, let alone President.

Peter




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is John Sidney McCain a US Citizen?

[Redghost]

At the time McCain was born in Panama, the CZ was considered US soil,  
as was the hospital he was born in.  No real question about  
citizenship, unlike the colored boy


clay

On Oct 18, 2008, at 6:02 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:


John Freer wrote:

So what US State was McCain born in? Answer: he wasn't.


Senate Democrats jumped on that as a means to set the precedent that  
the Senate gets to retroactively declare someone to be a natural  
born citizen. Perhaps in case they want to do it again with Obama?

http://leahy.senate.gov/press/200804/041008c.html

The difference here is that the law already clearly stated that  
McCain was a citizen at birth, and there is still room for doubt  
with Obama/Soetoro/whatever his last name is. Both McCain's parents  
were lifetime citizens, both had reached the age of 19, and both  
were lifetime residents. Even if they weren't overseas on military  
assignment, their son would have been a citizen.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Hendrik & Fay]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Civil_War
This is the one, perhaps you call it the Northern war of aggression or 
something else but most people call it the American civil war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war

Hendrik

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

There was no civil war in the US, what are you talking about?




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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[OK Don]

They don't do math very well, do they -- they'd be far better off
working in a better job than keeping the earned income credit. Same
with TANF, etc. I place the blame on the parents who didn't value a
good education. No, it's not the schools fault - it's the parents.


> But the damage runs even deeper & I have proof. Years ago, two of my
> Sister in'laws & their families refused to improve their financial
> position by finding better paying jobs for fear of loosing their Earned
> Incom Credit. When the kids aged out & moved on, they lost their Earned
> Income Credit & both families were very bitter about the loss - they
> believed and still believe that the Government owed it to them.
>
> Now the children of both families are having babies & are doing the
> exact same thing! To-date 3 nieces & 1 nephew belonging to these two
> families qualify & draw and when I pose the "do you want to find a
> better job" question to them, I get the same response I got from their
> parents!
>
> So, who's for weath redistribution in this country? Not Me!!!
>
> Tom
> www.kegkits.com
>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[Tom Hargrave]

The greatest wealth redistribution system this country has seen to date
is the Earned Income Credit program. And because of Earned Income
Credit, funds are pulled from the Northern States and handed to the
Southern States one poor mother at a time. It's so bad that because of
Earned Income Credit, Mississippi actually draws a profit from the
Federal tax system. What's really a shame is that those in the North
East really aren't any richer, they just pass more cash though their
hands & pass a good perventage off to their greater tax burden.

But the damage runs even deeper & I have proof. Years ago, two of my
Sister in'laws & their families refused to improve their financial
position by finding better paying jobs for fear of loosing their Earned
Incom Credit. When the kids aged out & moved on, they lost their Earned
Income Credit & both families were very bitter about the loss - they
believed and still believe that the Government owed it to them.

Now the children of both families are having babies & are doing the
exact same thing! To-date 3 nieces & 1 nephew belonging to these two
families qualify & draw and when I pose the "do you want to find a
better job" question to them, I get the same response I got from their
parents!

So, who's for weath redistribution in this country? Not Me!!!

Tom
www.kegkits.com


- Original Message -
From: Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: 10/19/08 4:29 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
CC: 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?  - flag pin

IMHO, in the real world when governments try to redistribute wealth
either
(a) the rich get richer and the poor get poorer or (b) the entire
economy
goes in the dumper so the rich leave and the poor get poorer.  I suspect
a
great deal of the current economic mess is a direct result of
politicians
trying to redistribute wealth and/or but votes.  I believe the US has
serious short-term and a long-term economic problems.  The short term
problem is a lack of confidence in the banking system (overvalued
collateral) that produced the current liquidity crisis.  The long term
problem is that the US has, to a great degree, divested itself (except
for
farming) from the actual production of wealth by exporting those
activities
to other countries ... for environmental, regulatory, and financial
reasons.
I think this recession is only the beginning.

Scott Ritchey

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 15:57
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

Are you wearing your lapel pin all the time? Personally I don't have
one.
Does that make me un-American?  The two kids I have in the military [the
third is out now] would disagree.  I agree with many economists that the
redistribution of wealth in the past 8 years - some hundreds of billions
of
$ annually from the middle class to the top few percent, does need
something
of a reversal.  What Obama actually said to someone who presented
themselves
as making over $250k a year is that we do need to "spread the wealth
around."  You would prefer the continued transfer from middle class to
upper
class?  For anyone on here who makes profit in excess of $250k a year,
would
the extra few % on the amount over that $250k somehow destroy your
business
or life style?  What has become a central point in the message of McCain
has
the situation, the character and the 'facts' of the case all made up,
which
doesn't provide much confidence in McCain or his staff, even if he wears
a
flag lapel pin on his pajamas.  Certainly there is a real person out in
the
United States somewhere who could have made the point without making so
much
of it up.
BillR
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

why does obama refuse to wear the US flag lapel pin?

Sincerely,
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[Scott Ritchey]

IMHO, in the real world when governments try to redistribute wealth either
(a) the rich get richer and the poor get poorer or (b) the entire economy
goes in the dumper so the rich leave and the poor get poorer.  I suspect a
great deal of the current economic mess is a direct result of politicians
trying to redistribute wealth and/or but votes.  I believe the US has
serious short-term and a long-term economic problems.  The short term
problem is a lack of confidence in the banking system (overvalued
collateral) that produced the current liquidity crisis.  The long term
problem is that the US has, to a great degree, divested itself (except for
farming) from the actual production of wealth by exporting those activities
to other countries ... for environmental, regulatory, and financial reasons.
I think this recession is only the beginning.

Scott Ritchey

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Bill R
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 15:57
To: 'Mercedes Discussion List'
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

Are you wearing your lapel pin all the time? Personally I don't have one.
Does that make me un-American?  The two kids I have in the military [the
third is out now] would disagree.  I agree with many economists that the
redistribution of wealth in the past 8 years - some hundreds of billions of
$ annually from the middle class to the top few percent, does need something
of a reversal.  What Obama actually said to someone who presented themselves
as making over $250k a year is that we do need to "spread the wealth
around."  You would prefer the continued transfer from middle class to upper
class?  For anyone on here who makes profit in excess of $250k a year, would
the extra few % on the amount over that $250k somehow destroy your business
or life style?  What has become a central point in the message of McCain has
the situation, the character and the 'facts' of the case all made up, which
doesn't provide much confidence in McCain or his staff, even if he wears a
flag lapel pin on his pajamas.  Certainly there is a real person out in the
United States somewhere who could have made the point without making so much
of it up.
BillR
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

why does obama refuse to wear the US flag lapel pin?

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)


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[MBZ] Oz and US forms of government

[Archer]

One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did what 
he

considered to be best for the US.
Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and wanting 
to

run the US?
Hendrik

---
If the Australian and the U.S. governments were changed, to what forms of 
government would you change them?  The Swiss governmental system seems 
interesting.

Gerry


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen? - flag pin

[Bill R]

Are you wearing your lapel pin all the time? Personally I don't have one.
Does that make me un-American?  The two kids I have in the military [the
third is out now] would disagree.  I agree with many economists that the
redistribution of wealth in the past 8 years - some hundreds of billions of
$ annually from the middle class to the top few percent, does need something
of a reversal.  What Obama actually said to someone who presented themselves
as making over $250k a year is that we do need to "spread the wealth
around."  You would prefer the continued transfer from middle class to upper
class?  For anyone on here who makes profit in excess of $250k a year, would
the extra few % on the amount over that $250k somehow destroy your business
or life style?  What has become a central point in the message of McCain has
the situation, the character and the 'facts' of the case all made up, which
doesn't provide much confidence in McCain or his staff, even if he wears a
flag lapel pin on his pajamas.  Certainly there is a real person out in the
United States somewhere who could have made the point without making so much
of it up.
BillR
  
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of LarryT
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 9:25 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

why does obama refuse to wear the US flag lapel pin?

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)


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Re: [MBZ] B-29 & photo posting

[Wilton Strickland]

# on vertical stabilizer should be the serial # - at least part of it.
First digit is often left off, but if it's 42-29782, it still seems high.
That's llikely it, though.

Wilton

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To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] B-29 & photo posting


> In re: serial number.
>
> In one of my photos the number 229782 is painted on the fin which may or
not
> mean anything.
>
> I took a lot of photos of the two airplanes and want to make them
available
> on a free (of course) site and am trying to create a slideshow on
Photobucket
> but the site is so incomprehensible that it may not happen. I also have a
lot
> of photos taken at August's MBCA car show and more of Paul Allen's Flying
> Heritage Museum plus one of their flight days when their P-51 and bf109E
were
> brought out for demo   flights which happen twice monthly in the summer
months.
>
> Is there anything more user friendly than Photobucket? Apple has an
excellent
> website program but there is a monthly fee.
>
> RLE
>
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Re: [MBZ] gun control

[RELNGSON]

> ...weren't the guns connected by a crude computer that allowed several guns 
> to
> track one bogey - and if the bogey was caught in the crosshairs it was a
> goner?
> 
> is that correct?...
> 
Crude by today's standards but exotic for 1941. The computer factored in a 
number of things to provide a lead and could be quite accurate if the gunner 
gave it a chance to calculate.

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Re: [MBZ] B-29 & photo posting

[RELNGSON]

In re: serial number.

In one of my photos the number 229782 is painted on the fin which may or not 
mean anything.

I took a lot of photos of the two airplanes and want to make them available 
on a free (of course) site and am trying to create a slideshow on Photobucket 
but the site is so incomprehensible that it may not happen. I also have a lot 
of photos taken at August's MBCA car show and more of Paul Allen's Flying 
Heritage Museum plus one of their flight days when their P-51 and bf109E were 
brought out for demo   flights which happen twice monthly in the summer months.

Is there anything more user friendly than Photobucket? Apple has an excellent 
website program but there is a monthly fee.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again

[Curt Raymond]

I presume Rusty carries the grease...
I decided on the 5 hour ride back from camp yesterday that I'm going to give it 
a shot.
IIRC there was some deal where you used like 3/4 of 1 wheel worth of grease on 
the bearing itself and put the rest in the cap...
Also, do I need to order new seals while I'm at it. If I don't NEED to is it 
something I should do anyway? The bearings were replaced (replaced because I'd 
delayed in having them repacked) in '04 I think. I don't think they've been 
repacked since then but thats only about 20,000 miles.

-Curt

--- On Sun, 10/12/08, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
From: LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Date: Sunday, October 12, 2008, 8:13 PM

Sorry - have been away for a few days.  Weighing the grease is easier than 
all that - buy the tube from MB - it comes in a tune with enuf to do 2 
wheels.  Fold it in half and you have spilt the amount in half.

The bearings are not tough to remove and repack.  I've pulled wheels and 
seen inner brgs that looked perfect.  I put them back and re-packed the 
outer bearings.  Never had a problem.

My son's 78 240D had F WBs go out and a speeds above ~20mph it sounded like

the roar of a huge fan.

The bearings were intact but the bearings themselves were loose in the 
cages.  Couldn't tell by looking but you coud by "feel".

Agree with Loren's method for adjusting the tension on the bearings.  Might

drive it or 100 miles and heck them tho.

Course you might be done now -
;-)
LarryT
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From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ;
"Loren Faeth" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2008 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again


>I ordered new viton return lines from McMaster Carr the other day, while I 
>was there I ordered a box of 50 nitrile gloves, 6mil the thickest they had.

>I bought some from HD the other week and they're horrible, weak and
crappy. 
>Hoping the box from McMaster is better. 25 pairs for the price of 10 pairs 
>of HD gloves.
>
> I'm thinking to order the "correct" grease from Rusty, IIRC
it comes in a 
> package you cut in 2 and get one for each side.
>
> -Curt
>
> --- On Wed, 10/8/08, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> From: Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> 
> Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 9:57 PM
>
> Curt,
>
> This may be heresy also, but I have never weighed the grease
> either.  Just figure out the approximate volume of grease you take
> out, and put a little more back in.  You want to err on the side of
> being a little loose on the bearing nut, and you can err on the side
> of a little too much grease.  I pack some in the hub between the
> bearings, and pack the bearings good, so everything is coated, then a
> little more in the cap as you close things up.
>
> It ain't as hard as some of the things you have already done.  Just
> be careful not to introduce any dirt/grit into the new grease.  And
> your hands WILL get greasy.
>
> At 12:51 PM 10/8/2008, you wrote:
>>Yeah when I said scale I ment for weighing grease...
>>
>>--- On Wed, 10/8/08, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D brakes - again
>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>Cc: "Mercedes Discussion List" ,
> "Mitch
>>Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Wednesday, October 8, 2008, 1:24 PM
>>
>>Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > I remember Marshall saying that to do the bearings properly you
need
> a
>> > gram scale that was relatively accurate. Normally I'd jump at
the
>> > excuse to buy more tools but funds are a bit tight right now...
>>
>>You need a dial gauge, not a scale.  I found one at sears, it has
> .001"
>>graduations and I think you really want one that measures more if you
>>can find it, but they probably go up in price fast.  Was able to use
>>mine though.  You also need some kind of arm or stand to hold the thing
>>on the spindle end while you set the play.
>>
>>Harbor Freight and the like sell them for $10 or so.  Can't vouch
for
>>the accuracy.  Here's a cheap one that has the stand and
everything...
>>
>>http://www.wttool.com/product-exec/product_id/17322
>>
>>I suppose you could just adjust it til it drags, back off a little,
then
>>take it straight to a shop for a proper adjustment.  But that would
>>likely cost you more than buying the dial gauge.
>>
>>Bearings are messy jobs.  It's important to use the right amount of
>>grease, not too much or too little.  Maybe that's what Marshall was
>>referring to, a scale to measure the correct amount of grease.  I think
>>Rusty sells the MB grease packaged in the proper amount.
>>
>>
>>Allan
>>
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Re: [MBZ] B-29

[RELNGSON]

> ...'Just read a note on Wiki that it was briefly evaluated in 
> England/Europe,
> it seems mainly to make Nazis think it was gonna be deployed there.  Is the
> Serial # of the museum one 41-36393, maybe...
> 
I can find out about that. Anyway, I think I got it wrong in re: where it was 
used.

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Re: [MBZ] A mistake, I think

[RELNGSON]

> < of
> the war.>>
> 
I think I'd better do a recheck on that. The mission number is correct but I 
was thinking of the B-17's theatre of action.

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Re: [MBZ] Obama not born here another view

[Rick Knoble]

> What do you guys think of this video? 

If true, the law will be changed and after four years of BHO, we will get the 
Governator as POTUS.

Caveats,
YMMV
My 2¢
Rick Knoble 
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'87 190 DT

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Re: [MBZ] Obama not born here another view

[Mitch Haley]

M G wrote:


http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_video_that_could_change_the_election/


That's the interview with Phil Berg that I linked yesterday. Berg is widely 
regarded as a nutcase, but that nutcase is an experienced prosecuting attorney 
licensed to practice before the US Supreme Court, and there is possibly some 
merit to what he's saying.


Mitch.


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[MBZ] Obama not born here another view

[M G]

What do you guys think of this video? I have heard the
claims before but never with all these details.

http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/a_video_that_could_change_the_election/

Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Wonko the Sane]

216,872 miles.

Car isn't perfect (ding on right front fender, peeling clear coat on hood
and roof, etc.) but I should get a few good years out of it, at a minimum. I
love the ACC and will until it breaks someday and I have to start replacing
parts. My theory is to shine up any metal that will take a shine.

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> Looking good.  How many miles on it?
>
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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Wonko the Sane]

He traded a 25 mpg car (gas) for a 45 mpg car (diesel).

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 1:06 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> If you did, it's your own fault - again!
>
> Did you REALLY trade an MB for a VW ?
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Re: [MBZ] Tax Free Status

[Gary Hurst]

those churches are really the ones who put dubya over both times.

this time, however, it seems they and radio fans are the only supporters
left

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:42 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That is my understanding (and I work for one).
>
> Makes me wonder how churches can get away with preaching politics from the
> pulpit. We had a letter to the editor in Thursday's paper written by a
> local
> minister, citing scripture on why a Christian absolutely had to vote for
> McCain. He signed it with not only his name but his church's name.
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Howdy --
> >Aren't organizations that receive tax free status obligated to refrain
> > from supporting one political group or another, or even making political
> > statements?   I seem to recall they must be politically neutral - ?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Larry T
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

TR was another warmonger, but a very cool and fun guy.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:21 PM, Loren Faeth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> If you mean Teddy Roosevelt, I agree!  TR, Winston Churchill and Patton
> were all great leaders and knew how to get things done.  Two politically and
> one militarily.
>
> IF you mean the socialist FDR, you are wrong. The first problem with this
> country was changing the constitution to allow the income tax and IRS to
> exist.  The second was FDR, who made the depression deeper and longer by his
> socialist policies.  The third was Jimmy Cahtah who created the worldwide
> problem with islam.
>
> At 08:24 PM 10/18/2008, you wrote:
>
>> One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did what he
>> considered to be best for the US.
>> Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and wanting to
>> run the US?
>>
>> Hendrik
>> ineligible to run.sorry guys, although that part of the
>> constitution stinks of xenophobic discrimination, ironic for the great
>> democrazy called the US of A
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Gary Hurst]

unbridled murderous aggression led by a deformed psychotic with water on the
brain.

popular in certain small pockets in the north and australia, however, places
where neither rule of law nor free speech exist.





On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Rolf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Was it a war of Northern Aggression then?
>
> From the state where they can't teach about the war of Northern Aggression.
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
>
>> There was no civil war in the US, what are you talking about?
>>
>> Hendrik & Fay wrote:
>>
>>> OK lets look at Lincoln, it's been a while since I studied the civil war
>>> but to simplify it, Lincoln had three choices, one appease the separatists
>>> and let the south keep slavery in place, two let the union break apart (thus
>>> the US would be split in two and may well have taken different sides in the
>>> European civil wars, leading to all sorts of complication, perhaps even
>>> delaying the American civil war until such a time when military technology
>>> had progressed but tactics had not) or option three, stand up to the
>>> separatists.
>>> I don't what your thoughts are on what should have happened but I feel
>>> that it was pretty much inevitable that there was going to be a war, whether
>>> over slavery or other issues. Lincoln knew this and figured on the balance
>>> of things it is better to take a stand in the beginning, rather than slowly
>>> retreat on issues until such time that further retreat is not an option.
>>>
>>> Hendrik
>>>
>>> Gary Hurst wrote:
>>>
 yeah, dubya has to join the rogues gallery as well . roosevelt was just
 crippled in body and spirit.  lincoln seemed organically brain damaged
 as
 well.  dubya?  just THAT stupid and mean.



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Re: [MBZ] Tax Free Status

[John Freer]

There is an organization recently that is asking various preachers to "test"
this IRS ruling.  IMHO, the only folks hurt by this "test" will be the
church members who's contributions will be funneled to the attorneys to test
the law.

John
On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:42 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> That is my understanding (and I work for one).
>
> Makes me wonder how churches can get away with preaching politics from the
> pulpit. We had a letter to the editor in Thursday's paper written by a
> local
> minister, citing scripture on why a Christian absolutely had to vote for
> McCain. He signed it with not only his name but his church's name.
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 9:38 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Howdy --
> >Aren't organizations that receive tax free status obligated to refrain
> > from supporting one political group or another, or even making political
> > statements?   I seem to recall they must be politically neutral - ?
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Larry T
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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Luther]

So, by my count, you've been screwed by OK Don (the 300D 2.5), Lt Don 
(300E), and myself (SDL).  I could name a few that you (or someone you 
know) has screwed


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

i got screwed

Wonko the Sane wrote:

Freshly washed and waxed.

*TurtleWax Color Back* really works well for cleaning and polishing
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[OK Don]

Why would anyone notice or care?  Mindless, lock-step nationalism?

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:24 AM, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> why does obama refuse to wear the US flag lapel pin?
>
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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[OK Don]

If you did, it's your own fault - again!

Did you REALLY trade an MB for a VW ?


On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> i got screwed
>

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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[OK Don]

I noticed the low camera angle (Don is taller than that!) - clear coat
peeling on the roof?

> Hey, nice.  That looks just like my $500 POS 300E, except for the
> peeling clearcoat on mine!  (Wonder what would happen if I used some
> mild polish like the TurtleWax stuff on the exposed color coat, shot
> it with rattlecan clearcoat, and then polished again on top of that?)
>

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[OK Don]

Marshall reported that in a few cases, owners were able to force MB to
replace the engines, though they were rare.

>
> I'm sure if you bought it new, and it was 5 years old, and the dealer argued
> your case for you...
>

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Re: [MBZ] More BS - magnets

[OK Don]

And we should leave the economy to the scammers instead? Not all
governement is incompetent, as not all businesses are scammers,
thoughit can be argued that most of both are.
We are between a rock and a hard place ---

>> Scammers in Raleigh have convinced Wake County officials to try
>> magnets around fleet's fuel lines to improve efficiency by 22% to 33%.
>
> And we think government officials can manage the economy?
>


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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Wilton Strickland]

Looking good.  How many miles on it?

Wilton

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> Freshly washed and waxed.
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> previously-neglected paint.
> 
> http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/300E-1/
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Rolf]

Was it a war of Northern Aggression then?

From the state where they can't teach about the war of Northern Aggression.

-Rolf

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

There was no civil war in the US, what are you talking about?

Hendrik & Fay wrote:
OK lets look at Lincoln, it's been a while since I studied the civil 
war but to simplify it, Lincoln had three choices, one appease the 
separatists and let the south keep slavery in place, two let the 
union break apart (thus the US would be split in two and may well 
have taken different sides in the European civil wars, leading to all 
sorts of complication, perhaps even delaying the American civil war 
until such a time when military technology had progressed but tactics 
had not) or option three, stand up to the separatists.
I don't what your thoughts are on what should have happened but I 
feel that it was pretty much inevitable that there was going to be a 
war, whether over slavery or other issues. Lincoln knew this and 
figured on the balance of things it is better to take a stand in the 
beginning, rather than slowly retreat on issues until such time that 
further retreat is not an option.


Hendrik

Gary Hurst wrote:

yeah, dubya has to join the rogues gallery as well . roosevelt was just
crippled in body and spirit.  lincoln seemed organically brain 
damaged as

well.  dubya?  just THAT stupid and mean.

 
  



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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 8:40 AM, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Freshly washed and waxed.
>
> *TurtleWax Color Back* really works well for cleaning and polishing
> previously-neglected paint.
>
> http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/300E-1/

Hey, nice.  That looks just like my $500 POS 300E, except for the
peeling clearcoat on mine!  (Wonder what would happen if I used some
mild polish like the TurtleWax stuff on the exposed color coat, shot
it with rattlecan clearcoat, and then polished again on top of that?)

Alex Chamberlain
Pacific NW W124 Museum

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Mitch Haley]

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

There was no civil war in the US, what are you talking about?


We've had two full blown revolutions, one successful, one failed.

Then the Republic was overthrown in a mostly bloodless coup over the last 90 
years or so.  Some blame it on the passage of Amendment XVI, some blame it on 
Amendment IXX, some just figure that after 100-200 years any truly Republican 
government dissolves naturally into tyranny when those in power figure out how 
to abuse that power.


Mitch.


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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Robert Rentfro]

Looks good. Maybe I'll try that Turtle Wax on the old Mustard Mobile.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[harry watkins]

Thanks Tom, you made my point.

" You may be able to see a rise in diesel fuel or soot in the oil as blow by

increases or increased iron in the oil from the cylinder wall wear but by
the time you measure these, the damage is done - the cylinder has already
started to wear egg shape & the rings are no longer sealing properly"


Don't buy that one.

Harry


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Peter is correct. Oil analysis depends on something to be dissolved or
suspended in the oil to be measured. And think of a bending rod just like
crinkling up a piece of aluminum foil. In both cases, you loose no metal.

You may be able to see a rise in diesel fuel or soot in the oil as blow by
increases or increased iron in the oil from the cylinder wall wear but by
the time you measure these, the damage is done - the cylinder has already
started to wear egg shape & the rings are no longer sealing properly.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

This is exactly the issue, although the rod will probably continue to
bend and twist until the cylinder had no compression.

It cannot be predicted, oil analysis isn't going to help much, and it
makes people jumpy about these engines, as even one with several
hundred thousand "good" miles may suddenly go bad.

Quite a number were replaced under warrenty, as it can happen in very
low milage (20,000, say), but in a ten year old car you are pretty
much on your own.

Peter

On Oct 19, 2008, at 7:52 AM, LarryT wrote:


Harry asks <>

With the symptoms Peter describes (see below)  it happens so
suddenly that I'm wondering if there's any advance notice.  As far
as the rod bending, would the rod loose parts of itself as it bends?

Plus, if it happens so quickly, even if the Oil Analysis does
provide some indication, I wonder if  it would tell me it may fail
in a week, month or year?  Does that make sense?  Let me try again
- if it happens quickly - let's assume a week for rod bending to
increased oil consumption. who's to say a good analysis today tells
me anything except it's not damaged today? But it can become
damaged next week without further notice.

IOW, OA can tell if there's a problem but who's to say it won't
fail next month?

OA helps diagnose more typical wear problems (rings, bearings, etc)
with more usable info since those problems develop over longer a
time frame.

Make sense?

Peters comments
*** Once the rod bends, the cylinder wears oval in a matter of hours.
They bend in normal service with no prior indications of any kind --
there are three or more versions, and the latest ones weigh several
ounces more than the originals.  That means, of course, if you are
fixing one you must buy all six, as the old ones are NOT available.
Usual first indication is a noisy engine and sudden high oil
consumption, sometimes accompanied by significant oil smoke.  This
happens from one day to the next, not gradually.***

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
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Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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Larry

Wouldn't an oil analysis give a clue about rod bending?  If the
cylinders are being worn, I would think something would show up.
My experience with SOAP made me believe nothing could go undetected.

Harry


I think I'll have a look at the 90 I mentioned - 272K miles, no
oil with 3K chenges, - I'm hoping with that many miles it may not
ben a rod bender and we can get another 100K miles out of the old
girl.

At $4k it should buy a nice big sedan .that cruises smoothly.
Trying to find out if it has both airbags in front  --  being a S
Class it may be   -



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Re: [MBZ] More BS - magnets

[Allan Streib]

"Wilton Strickland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Scammers in Raleigh have convinced Wake County officials to try
> magnets around fleet's fuel lines to improve efficiency by 22% to 33%.

And we think government officials can manage the economy?

Allan
-- 
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Re: [MBZ] layoffs

[Tom Hargrave]

I've been self employed for 7.5 years and security or at least "perceived
security" is definitely an issue.

The biggest battle was my Wife - she stated; "What about vacation - how will
you replace your 3 weeks vacation?" It took several years to convince her
that vacation is not a gift from the company. On the contrary, vacation is a
cost to the company & it is factored into the cost of Employing you along
with everything else they "give you", like insurance & their part of your
SSI contributions.

In other words, your Employer really is not giving you any of these benefits
- they are just part of your "pay package". Once my wife understood this
concept, she stopped complaining. We go on vacations when we want and our
health insurance is covered by her Employer.

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
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Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 11:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] layoffs

"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Some people never go into business for themself - one of the primary
> reasons given it "lack of security" -- at times like this, it's easy
> to see how little security there is working for others.

Here's one I like, on this topic...

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-j
ob/

I've tried to take the philosophy that with every payroll, my employer
and I are "even".  I've been compensated for work performed, and either
of us is free to end the employement relationship at any time subject to
the terms of whatever employment agreement is in place.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] 1990 350SDL

[harry watkins]

Larry

What you and Peter are saying assumes that its an instantaneous , or at 
least fairly rapid failure.  I'm not sure that's a given.  I know nothing 
beyond what I have read on these diesel sites, but my take has been that it 
occurs more slowly.


Anyway, it was just a thought, good luck if you decide to own it.

Harry




Harry asks <>

With the symptoms Peter describes (see below)  it happens so suddenly that 
I'm wondering if there's any advance notice.  As far as the rod bending, 
would the rod loose parts of itself as it bends?


Plus, if it happens so quickly, even if the Oil Analysis does provide some 
indication, I wonder if  it would tell me it may fail in a week, month or 
year?  Does that make sense?  Let me try again - if it happens quickly - 
let's assume a week for rod bending to increased oil consumption. who's to 
say a good analysis today tells me anything except it's not damaged today? 
But it can become damaged next week without further notice.


IOW, OA can tell if there's a problem but who's to say it won't fail next 
month?


OA helps diagnose more typical wear problems (rings, bearings, etc) with 
more usable info since those problems develop over longer a time frame.


Make sense?

Peters comments
*** Once the rod bends, the cylinder wears oval in a matter of hours.
They bend in normal service with no prior indications of any kind --
there are three or more versions, and the latest ones weigh several
ounces more than the originals.  That means, of course, if you are
fixing one you must buy all six, as the old ones are NOT available.
Usual first indication is a noisy engine and sudden high oil
consumption, sometimes accompanied by significant oil smoke.  This
happens from one day to the next, not gradually.***

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
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Larry

Wouldn't an oil analysis give a clue about rod bending?  If the cylinders 
are being worn, I would think something would show up.  My experience 
with SOAP made me believe nothing could go undetected.


Harry

I think I'll have a look at the 90 I mentioned - 272K miles, no oil with 
3K chenges, - I'm hoping with that many miles it may not ben a rod bender 
and we can get another 100K miles out of the old girl.


At $4k it should buy a nice big sedan .that cruises smoothly.  Trying to 
find out if it has both airbags in front  --  being a S Class it may 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Is Barack Obama a US Citizen?

[Loren Faeth]

If you mean Teddy Roosevelt, I agree!  TR, Winston Churchill and 
Patton were all great leaders and knew how to get things done.  Two 
politically and one militarily.


IF you mean the socialist FDR, you are wrong. The first problem with 
this country was changing the constitution to allow the income tax 
and IRS to exist.  The second was FDR, who made the depression deeper 
and longer by his socialist policies.  The third was Jimmy Cahtah who 
created the worldwide problem with islam.


At 08:24 PM 10/18/2008, you wrote:
One of the great POTUS was Roosevelt, very cunning and always did 
what he considered to be best for the US.
Can we say the same for the current crop of people running and 
wanting to run the US?


Hendrik
ineligible to run.sorry guys, although that part of the 
constitution stinks of xenophobic discrimination, ironic for the 
great democrazy called the US of A


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Re: [MBZ] new 300E pics

[Tom Hargrave]

No you didn't - you sold the car for what it was worth, just like any other.

Thanks,
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i got screwed

Wonko the Sane wrote:
> Freshly washed and waxed.
> 
> *TurtleWax Color Back* really works well for cleaning and polishing
> previously-neglected paint.
> 
> http://don1.homelinux.net/~don/300E-1/
> 
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  87 300SDL x2, 86 300E, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D,
  84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D,
  76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250, 66 220SEb
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Re: [MBZ] layoffs

[Allan Streib]

"LarryT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Some people never go into business for themself - one of the primary
> reasons given it "lack of security" -- at times like this, it's easy
> to see how little security there is working for others.

Here's one I like, on this topic...

http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/

I've tried to take the philosophy that with every payroll, my employer
and I are "even".  I've been compensated for work performed, and either
of us is free to end the employement relationship at any time subject to
the terms of whatever employment agreement is in place.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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