date:20090608

When I open the LR door, water that has collected behind the seal (?) 
rushes

out.  The carpet is slightly damp, and the problem is only going to get
worse over time.  Can someone explain how the door drains are supposed 
to

work?


Yikes!  Your doors are full of water to the point that they're spilling
over the inside threshold?   That's a couple of inches, at least.  There
is a row of holes along the bottom crease where all the water that gets
down by the window is supposed to go.  You've got enough mud in there
by now that I'd suggest taking off the inside panel and vacuuming and
cleaning it out thoroughly.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] And now, a musical interlude

2009-06-08 Thread RELNGSON

 http://www.newsday.com/media/flash/2009-04/46217527.swf

  



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[MBZ] 1972 300SD

2009-06-08 Thread Hendrik & Fay


http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1972-Mercedes-Benz-280-SE-Red-Classic_W0QQitemZ270394639554QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Cars?hash=item3ef4c6c4c2&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A7|66%3A2|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50
If anyone wants me to take a look for them it is not too far away from 
my place.


Hendrik

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Re: [MBZ] More OIL Questions

2009-06-08 Thread ernest breakfield

BMW is nutty about getting the proper ZDDP levels in their motorcycles; 
such that they still specify SG grade oils (and nothing higher) since SG 
grade still has an 'acceptable' level of Zinc. later grades than SG have 
less ZDDP, as it contributed to pollution.
   any good FLAPS should be able to order SG grade oil like Castrol if 
that's what you're really after.

cheers!
e

LarryT wrote:

Hi Ed,
   All I've read about getting correct ZDDP levels (which is quite a 
bit) - indicate using a diesel rated oil is a good option.  The other 
is to use one of the many ZDDP Additives available  I'm using 
Cam-Tune but there are many others ...

good luck -
Larry T

- Original Message - From: "Peter Hertzing" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] More OIL Questions

I've run the 15/40 in all my Volvo's and my gaser E320  Seems to get 
the job

done.  Never had a mechanical failure due to oil breakdown - ever.

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 3:29 PM, E M  wrote:

I use the dino Rotella Diesel 15/40 in the old 300E gasser, and it 
seems to
work well.  I like it for the higher zink content.  I'm not sure 
what to

run
in my old 911 now that the zink levels have been reduced, but I'm 
thinking

to maybe go with Rotella in that too.  Any thoughts ?

Ed
300E

2009/6/4 R A Bennell 

>
>
>
> I don't see much choice in Mobil 1 here but when I go over the border
into
> the USA, I always look at WalMart to see
> what they have.
>
> Do I need to worry about the coding on the jugs or is any reasonably
heavy
> Mobil 1 going to be ok for my old 300D?
>
> So far, I have just stuck with the Shell Rotella oil.
>
> Randy
>
> 

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Re: [MBZ] 3 ton Sprinter v. 18lb Trek -- I lose

2009-06-08 Thread ernest breakfield

hi Rich!

first, glad to hear you're relatively OK; it could have been so much
worse.

as a side note, why does it seem that when i'm bicycling, the
lectures on "how to rid" usually come from a fat guy in a Cadillac? does
anyone else seen the irony in that? ;-)

cheers!
e

Rich Thomas wrote:
Was out for my Sunday morning ride, a gorgeous cool morning here in
the Low Country. About 20 miles into it on one of our 2 narrow
picturesque 2 lane roads when a goober in a Sprinter decides to
educate me on "bicycle safety." I ride about a foot or two from the
right white line, plenty of room for cars to pass, a car behind might
have to wait for an oncoming car (of which there are very few on
Sunday morning, why I ride then). Most people are pretty good about
it, esp on a Sunday morning.

So this guy gets right alongside me, like a foot away and rolls down
his window and starts to yell at me about bicycle safety and "riding
in the middle of the road and can't pass blah blah." I must say I
told him what he could do with himself and his lesson, in fairly
specific terms. Well, about that time here comes a car the other way
(double yellow lines, he is across the center), he tries to speed up
and pass (acceleration is not a forte of the Sprinter it seems) then
pushes right to miss the oncoming vehicle, I try to push off the back
fender so he won't hit me, I and go down pretty hard on the pavement.
One skids a ways when you are cranking along about 20 or so, spandex
is pretty slick. I will spare you the details of the damage to my
left side, suffice it say my pale white skin is several shades of red
now, and will likely develop other colors of the rainbow over the next
few hours. Doc wifey took some piccies, will go see my doc manana.

The guy did stop, I was a bit rung but still pretty mad after I
managed to drag myself out of the road a bit. A couple other cars
stopped a few minutes later, a couple called the cops (one had just
passed me the other way a few minutes before, she showed up pretty
quick) and bambablance. I called my wife, she showed up wicked pissed
and went off on the goober too, who confabulated quite a story. The
deputy was not familiar with the new bicycle laws, so only wrote him a
ticket for improper passing. Since no one had witnessed it, she could
not get him for assualt with a deadly weapon, to wit, a motor vehicle
though she wished she could. The EMTs let me go after a bit of a
checkup, I knew who the president was and what day it was.

Earlier I had another close call with an AT&T van, I stopped and noted
the time and place, was thinking about giving them a ring, I am
definitely on that tomorrow. I did not see any other vans, so finding
who that was should be pretty easy. We have a new, fairly stringent
bike law here in SC, the deputy was not aware of it but said I could
go to the judge to get more charges on the guy. Anyway, there is a
lawyer who works with the local cycling coalition, gonna call him
tomorrow and I'm gonna find myself a junkyard dog advertising on late
night TV. This goober is in for the sh**storm of his life. I might
even get me a nice Sprinter out of the deal!!!

The bike seems to have pretty much survived, though I need to check it
out and see if it is salvageable (those new Madones look very nice). I
am pretty banged up and sore but still upright.

Off to find some happy pills...

--R

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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"

2009-06-08 Thread LarryT


you wrote << he floored it with the chains slack>>

Those kinds of things are usually preceeded by "Here, hold my beer - and 
watch THIS!"


Larry

When Ted Kennedy goes to Cuba for
health care I might consider socialized
medicene.

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"


Talking about towing aircraft, an aquaintance of mine was in the 
"Confederate Airforce" some years back.  For some reason, a flight of  the 
B-25 Mitchell got canceled and the plane was sitting in a hanger  too long 
and needed to be moved -- it was fully gassed up and they  didn't want to 
get flats on the tires.


The tow motor wasn't working, and the plane really needed to be  moved, 
and a guy with a "big" pickup volunteered to try.  Mind you,  we are 
talking at least 150,000 lbs stitting on two very large tires  that are 
both stiff and getting a flat spot in them, going to take  some muscle to 
get it rolling.


He was told to back up the to tow hook, chain up, ease out the slack,  and 
pull gently until the tires rolled off the flat.  Naturally,  being a true 
red-neck of the bony headed sort, instead of a steady  pull he floored it 
with the chains slack.


"BANG" -- ripped the bumper and hitch clean off the truck, didn't  even 
move the B-25 for some reason


There is a reason those tow motors look like they are carved out of a 
cast iron ingot -- they essentially are, usually weigh 20,000 lbs and  up.



Peter

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Re: [MBZ] YouTube downloads

2009-06-08 Thread LarryT


Allan wrote <
with a polite 3 seconds of dead air before each side>>


And they'd tell you what they'd be playing *Before* the music rather than 
afterward,,.


Larry

- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] YouTube downloads



Curt Raymond  writes:


Nope, you can't record off the radio either. Those are all single use
media, recording and reuse are totally illegal.


I remember when my local FM station used to play entire record albums,
with a polite 3 seconds of dead air before each side, to let you get
your tape deck started.

Allan
--
1983 300D

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Re: [MBZ] My E320 Gas Smell

2009-06-08 Thread Craig McCluskey

On Mon, 08 Jun 2009 15:36:48 -0400 Rich Thomas
 wrote:

> Heat transfer (conduction) goes at the 4th power of the temp difference 
> over a distance,

Actually, it's radiation that goes as the 4th power; conduction is linear
with temperature.

> if you have a smaller path for heat to transfer (like 
> in a flattish fuel tank) it can go very quickly, in a big round tank 
> like a truck or dump it goes slowly.  (that does not account for 
> convection, i.e. swirling around, just conduction which is more 
> applicable in a big stable tank -- in a small tank it swishes around and
> warms up quickly from the tank sides).

A flatish tank has more surface area for the volume than a round tank.
That's why the contents heat up faster.


> Physics are fun.

Indeed.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] YouTube downloads

That was pre-digital and computers and all that stuff.  But I did have a 
good collection of cassettes recorded off the radio when the new albums 
came out, and they did the countdown so you could hit record just right.


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

Curt Raymond  writes:

  

Nope, you can't record off the radio either. Those are all single use
media, recording and reuse are totally illegal.



I remember when my local FM station used to play entire record albums,
with a polite 3 seconds of dead air before each side, to let you get
your tape deck started.

Allan
  

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Re: [MBZ] W123 Door full of water

Well, to start with they shouldn't be clogged with a lot of shi, er, 
stuff that gunks up down in the bottom, which seems to sorta filter down 
through the little rubber scraper seals.  If I have a door opened up for 
window maintenance, there is always some random dead bugs, dirt, leaves, 
etc, in the bottom and it all seeks the lowest point, which is.


Take a wire or something and ream the drain hole out a bit, but you need 
to clean the door inside.


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

When I open the LR door, water that has collected behind the seal (?) rushes
out.  The carpet is slightly damp, and the problem is only going to get
worse over time.  Can someone explain how the door drains are supposed to
work?
Andrew
1985 300td
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Re: [MBZ] YouTube downloads

2009-06-08 Thread Allan Streib

Curt Raymond  writes:

> Nope, you can't record off the radio either. Those are all single use
> media, recording and reuse are totally illegal.

I remember when my local FM station used to play entire record albums,
with a polite 3 seconds of dead air before each side, to let you get
your tape deck started.

Allan
-- 
1983 300D

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[MBZ] W123 Door full of water

When I open the LR door, water that has collected behind the seal (?) rushes
out.  The carpet is slightly damp, and the problem is only going to get
worse over time.  Can someone explain how the door drains are supposed to
work?
Andrew
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Re: [MBZ] OT: 747s

Me, either, 'til I saw that whatever on "Casino Royale" and on YouTube.  The 
twin engines in the pod didn't look big enough, either.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:08 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: 747s

As long as the engine stays together (probably not real long!) a 747  will 
fly on one only (preferably an inner one).  Don't know if you  could land 
it that way, sure would be hairy due to lack of power, but  it WILL fly.

Never heard of a pair of engines in a pod on one though...

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"

Tugs for B-47's looked like 2 big truck cabs welded back-to-back; 'could go 
"forward" either way; no matter which cab was going forward, there was 
always one attached to it backing up; big fat tires with four-wheel 
steering.  They were called "Colemans," or was it "Kollman?"


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Peter Frederick" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 9:16 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"


Talking about towing aircraft, an aquaintance of mine was in the 
"Confederate Airforce" some years back.  For some reason, a flight of  the 
B-25 Mitchell got canceled and the plane was sitting in a hanger  too long 
and needed to be moved -- it was fully gassed up and they  didn't want to 
get flats on the tires.


The tow motor wasn't working, and the plane really needed to be  moved, 
and a guy with a "big" pickup volunteered to try.  Mind you,  we are 
talking at least 150,000 lbs stitting on two very large tires  that are 
both stiff and getting a flat spot in them, going to take  some muscle to 
get it rolling.


He was told to back up the to tow hook, chain up, ease out the slack,  and 
pull gently until the tires rolled off the flat.  Naturally,  being a true 
red-neck of the bony headed sort, instead of a steady  pull he floored it 
with the chains slack.


"BANG" -- ripped the bumper and hitch clean off the truck, didn't  even 
move the B-25 for some reason


There is a reason those tow motors look like they are carved out of a 
cast iron ingot -- they essentially are, usually weigh 20,000 lbs and  up.



Peter

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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300d W124 does not shut off

2009-06-08 Thread Steve Bailey

I have a valve on the way from Trusty Rusty. The old one would not hold at
all on my mitivac. It seems like every vacuum valve is dying on this
car,(and being replaced) although I guess with 380xxx on the clock, I should
not be surprised. Especially since I drove it from Charlotte to Chicago and
back 3 weekends ago, I have nothing to complain about.

Steve

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On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
Sent: Friday, June 05, 2009 12:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300d W124 does not shut off

That is fatal!  Kaleb will give you $500 for the car!  Better unload it
quick!

Seriously,

Did you check the vacuum at the hose end at the shutoff?

If so, buy an new shutoff from Rusty. 800 741 5252  If not, there is 
a leak somewhere.

At 11:18 AM 6/5/2009, you wrote:
>1987 300d coninues to run when I turn it off. There is plenty of vacuum and
>the manual shutoff just barely needs to be touched to shut the car off. Is
>this vacuum shutoff adjustable, or is there a diaphram I need to replace?
>
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Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil

2009-06-08 Thread brian . toscano

I'd never use 5w30 unless the HTHS was more than 3.5-3.6 !
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-Original Message-
From: tyler 

Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2009 10:31:05 
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] our 190D starts to burn oil


I realize oil brands and weights tend to be a quasi-religious issue, 
with most people (myself included) having strong convictions with little 
evidence.

Some of the reasons I use the thinner oil:
1) The 5w40 will start quicker, and build oil pressure quicker, 
especially in cold weather
2) It remains just as thick at operating temp and above
3) M1 Turbo Diesel Truck is only widely available in this weight, and 
it's intended for diesels and rated to handle more diesel soot than 
regular M1
4) It's usually about the same price
5) It's MB approved for all temps (is 10w40 approved at all in the 
current specs?)
6) And last but not least- it's what Marshall used

I wouldn't hesitate to use another weight of M1 if I couldn't get 5w40, 
but 5w30 would be my second choice. I think that the thicker oil will 
accelerate engine wear, especially in cold climates and offer no 
advantages in warm climates, except for possibly reduced oil consumption 
in a worn or leaky engine. My 190DT doesn't burn or leak significant 
amounts of oil...

Tyler

Curt Raymond wrote:
> What advantage do you see in the 5w40? I use it but only because its usually 
> slightly cheaper and is better in the cold here in New England but other than 
> that I see no real advantage. I use 15w50 in my garden tractor because it 
> leaks less but still starts better at -10F than 10w40 conventional oil.
> 5w40 M1 *might* have slightly better (or stronger) cleaning action but thats 
> a big might...
>
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"


Peter Frederick wrote:

He was told to back up the to tow hook, chain up, ease out the slack, 
and pull gently until the tires rolled off the flat.  Naturally, being a 
true red-neck of the bony headed sort, instead of a steady pull he 
floored it with the chains slack.


"BANG" -- ripped the bumper and hitch clean off the truck, didn't even 
move the B-25 for some reason


Lucky for him the chains were stronger than his truck. Going through life with a 
broken chain dangling from the back of your skull isn't fun.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 747 empty weight

2009-06-08 Thread Peter Frederick

The original full up takeoff weight in 1969 was about 750,000, so  
400,000 empty is about right.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"

2009-06-08 Thread Peter Frederick

Talking about towing aircraft, an aquaintance of mine was in the  
"Confederate Airforce" some years back.  For some reason, a flight of  
the B-25 Mitchell got canceled and the plane was sitting in a hanger  
too long and needed to be moved -- it was fully gassed up and they  
didn't want to get flats on the tires.


The tow motor wasn't working, and the plane really needed to be  
moved, and a guy with a "big" pickup volunteered to try.  Mind you,  
we are talking at least 150,000 lbs stitting on two very large tires  
that are both stiff and getting a flat spot in them, going to take  
some muscle to get it rolling.


He was told to back up the to tow hook, chain up, ease out the slack,  
and pull gently until the tires rolled off the flat.  Naturally,  
being a true red-neck of the bony headed sort, instead of a steady  
pull he floored it with the chains slack.


"BANG" -- ripped the bumper and hitch clean off the truck, didn't  
even move the B-25 for some reason


There is a reason those tow motors look like they are carved out of a  
cast iron ingot -- they essentially are, usually weigh 20,000 lbs and  
up.



Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

2009-06-08 Thread Kevin

On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 06:09:09PM -0700, Jim Cathey wrote:
> >'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup 
> >('bout an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing 
> >blue/gray smoke.  I asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate 
> >milk, etc., and has he had to add water recently.  "Yes, added water 
> >coupla days before."  At lunch today, he said, "Yep, it has "chocolate 
> >milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  Possible blown head 
> >gasket or even cracked head and/or block?
> 
> Sure sounds like it.  Fords also have been prone to cavitation
> eating through the engine block if you didn't keep the official
> coolant additive in them, but that's not an oil/water mixing
> problem so far as I know.  The truck's a bit young for that,
> too, especially since it may well still be on its factory
> coolant load.

This problem really was only a problem with the indirect injected trucks,
as the cylinder pressures were much higher. This is also a problem with 
bigger OTR trucks, but those owners never complain, they just follow the
maintenance schedules. You could get this problem out of the IDI chevies
too, but it was incredibly uncommon.

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[MBZ] OT: ALL THE GREENWOODS: WAS: RUNS GREAT, MADE IN GERMANY!!!!

2009-06-08 Thread archer

While trying to figure out which Greenwood you were referring to, found that 
"Greenwood" seems to be one of the most popular names for towns in the U.S. 
For example, there are 3 Greenwoods in Indiana, 4 in Kentucky, 4 in 
Washington, 4 in Texas, 4 in Louisiana, 4 in Alabama, 4 in Georgia, 4 in 
Virginia, 3 in West Virginia, 4 in Pennsylvania, 3 in Maryland, "8" in 
Tennessee!, usually more than one in the other states, and very many 
Greenwood Villages, Springs, Places, Shores, Parks, Manors, Lakes, 
Junctions, etc., etc.

Strange.
http://forecast.weather.gov/zipcity.php

Gerry
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Hey, Ed!  Where in Greenwood?  WHat was it listed in, CL?
Just curious, since the rest of the family lives there and I get down 
there often.  Might check it out for grins...

Dan

From: Ed Booher 
There is a 450 SL AMG in Greenwood
for $4000. So, yeah, they appear to have
come down quite a bit. They are in that transitional period
where in a few
years they will sky rocket as "collectors vehicles" and be
untouchable price
wise.

wrote:

> How the mighty have fallen...
> Seriously, did anyone ever think that a decent 107 SL
would ever be selling
> for only $3k? 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: 747s

2009-06-08 Thread Peter Frederick

As long as the engine stays together (probably not real long!) a 747  
will fly on one only (preferably an inner one).  Don't know if you  
could land it that way, sure would be hairy due to lack of power, but  
it WILL fly.


Never heard of a pair of engines in a pod on one though...

Peter


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Re: [MBZ] R&R Front wiper motor in a W123 -anyone BTDT?

So I should remove the wiper relay and try again?  Is there only that 
one

front wiper relay for the intermittent function or are there two?


Dunno much about wagons, really.  Check the car's schematic.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup 
('bout an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing 
blue/gray smoke.  I asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate 
milk, etc., and has he had to add water recently.  "Yes, added water 
coupla days before."  At lunch today, he said, "Yep, it has "chocolate 
milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  Possible blown head 
gasket or even cracked head and/or block?


Sure sounds like it.  Fords also have been prone to cavitation
eating through the engine block if you didn't keep the official
coolant additive in them, but that's not an oil/water mixing
problem so far as I know.  The truck's a bit young for that,
too, especially since it may well still be on its factory
coolant load.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" oil

2009-06-08 Thread Kevin

Those do that. Somewhat of a known problem. Hope the warranty is still valid
and hope he hasn't done any mods to it to warm it up, they'll void him
faster than he'll be able to get it driven down there.

On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 07:48:05PM -0400, WILTON wrote:
> It's an '06 with 6 L engine.

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Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off


So does my dads 1987 Subaru XT Turbo. I wish all cars did.


Most of my cars do.  And it's even attached to my hand
so that I never lose it!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]


Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

well crap, that takes care of the tom contribution.


Well, since I started the thread that ticked him off...

Nitch.

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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]

2009-06-08 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


well crap, that takes care of the tom contribution.

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Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off


tyler wrote:

it's straight out of an 80s sci-fi movie


You probably aren't old enough to remember a Triumph TR-7 commercial from the 
1970's:

"The Wedge. It's the shape of things to come."

I can't believe somebody had videos of old commercials to post to youtube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ULnObVcuWs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jk1QaAH-r_o

(well, I almost remembered the slogan right)
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Re: [MBZ] 747 empty weight

2009-06-08 Thread RELNGSON

> ...Basic weight about 400,000 lbs?...
> 
I'm not going to take the VanCleef approach and try to claim that all this 
data is in my brain, so I went to the Boeing website. And you are right. The 
average weight is right around 400,000 pounds. Which I'm assuming , like 
other aircraft, this means no liquids on board. Water, fuel, drink mixers etc.

RLE
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off

2009-06-08 Thread tyler


It's 4wd with an actual locking center diff (not FWD or AWD).

I always wanted once since I was a kid and saw one in the junkyard. It 
was my car but my wife didn't like it so I traded it with my dad for his 
Volvo 244 Turbo. He lives in the northern Idaho mountains and uses it to 
commute in the winter when there's 2 feet of snow in the road. It drives 
like a sports car, but can easily handle 2 feet of snow! I love that 
thing, it's straight out of an 80s sci-fi movie with more useless 
gadgets than you could possibly imagine! Some of them even work! I 
removed the worn out air suspension and replaced it with coils from a 
station wagon- so now it has tons of ground clearance, but still a 
fairly stiff and body-roll free ride.


Believe it or not, it's 100% rust free and even the paint and interior 
are perfect. I bought it from a college student for $300 because it had 
a bad clutch cable, and he got in a fender bender and his parents said 
he wasn't allowed to drive anymore. The hood and fender were dented, but 
my dad found an exact paint match in the junkyard, so it's like new now.


Tyler

Mitch Haley wrote:

tyler wrote:

So does my dads 1987 Subaru XT Turbo. I wish all cars did.


Your dad drives a 22 year old doorstop? Oh yeah, you're in California 
so it's probably only half rusted out by now. FWD or AWD?


Mitch.


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[MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" oil

It's an '06 with 6 L engine.

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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]


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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST   CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -  -

090608  2.498  2.516  2.566   2.619   2.468   2.474   2.474  2.442  2.603  2.676
090601  2.352  2.369  2.438   2.457   2.326   2.322   2.323  2.343  2.460  2.502
090525  2.274  2.305  2.409   2.410   2.251   2.229   2.242  2.302  2.384  2.407
090518  2.231  2.276  2.401   2.396   2.213   2.170   2.210  2.274  2.340  2.354
090511  2.216  2.255  2.395   2.386   2.186   2.156   2.198  2.270  2.329  2.337
090504  2.185  2.226  2.382   2.365   2.152   2.124   2.153  2.262  2.306  2.316
090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315  2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327  2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336  2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311  2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282  2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150  2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091  2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120  2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185  2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238  2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284  2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292  2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303  2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319  2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338  2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353  2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275  2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273  2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274  2.251
081215  2.422  2.534  2.740   2.642   2.469   2.406   2.378  2.350  2.303  2.292
081208  2.515  2.632  2.849   2.742   2.564   2.491   2.465  2.447  2.421  2.402
081201  2.615  2.735  2.954   2.875   2.655   2.578   2.556  2.577  2.553  2.538
081124  2.664  2.788  2.997   2.925   2.710   2.624   2.598  2.644  2.608  2.605
081117  2.809  2.924  3.148   3.072   2.840   2.764   2.745  2.822  2.768  2.754
081110  2.944  3.060  3.266   3.203   2.980   2.888   2.895  2.964  2.910  2.913
081103  3.088  3.219  3.420   3.369   3.137   3.018   3.033  3.157  3.052  3.057
081027  3.288  3.397  3.573   3.509   3.333   3.244   3.219  3.375  3.233  3.286
081020  3.482  3.553  3.729   3.633   3.503   3.447   3.453  3.555  3.433  3.460
081013  3.659  3.709  3.892   3.794   3.655   3.641   3.631  3.697  3.622  3.656
081006  3.875  3.928  4.036   3.978   3.896   3.858   3.843  3.886  3.847  3.869
080929  3.959  4.020  4.077   4.073   3.992   3.936   3.929  3.944  3.941  3.963
080922  3.958  4.021  4.110   4.081   3.987   3.931   3.924  3.964  3.943  3.951
080915  4.023  4.082  4.246   4.166   4.031   3.973   4.011  4.041  4.056  4.053
080908  4.059  4.100  4.312   4.246   4.018   4.015   4.015  4.105  4.156  4.185
080901  4.121  4.169  4.359   4.307   4.093   4.066   4.068  4.184  4.248  4.282
080825  4.145  4.199  4.382   4.360   4.113   4.073   4.098  4.227  4.286  4.359
080818  4.207  4.263  4.422   4.414   4.184   4.130   4.156  4.319  4.356  4.422
080811  4.353  4.420  4.584   4.563   4.344   4.267   4.299  4.473  4.511  4.607
080804  4.5

Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off


tyler wrote:

So does my dads 1987 Subaru XT Turbo. I wish all cars did.


Your dad drives a 22 year old doorstop? Oh yeah, you're in California so it's 
probably only half rusted out by now. FWD or AWD?


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Rover nicht

2009-06-08 Thread brian . toscano

But when they go, they just go... And what's gonna hurt you when you're in a 
tank?  My '91 was awesome.

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> ...She did get excited about a very reasonably priced Range Rover near 
> here,
> but then we checked the MPG for that beast and decided not to go look.
> Pretty decent MPG is a factor here...
> 
The pre-Ford Range Rover is about as reliable as a five-dollar atomic bomb.

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Re: [MBZ] Thoughts On This One?

2009-06-08 Thread Redghost

Need a tight angle drill for that.  Did try to use a power ratchet  
with drill bit, but that went nowhere


clay


On Jun 7, 2009, at 7:02 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


ohhh, yea, i remember now.  Have you tried drilling it out?

Redghost wrote:
GP #4 has welded its looped self to the head.  Got the outer body  
off, but the central core is not letting go.


clay

On Jun 7, 2009, at 5:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:


I guess I missed it, what happened to gump?

Redghost wrote:
Will have to see just how screwed up I get her.  May only be good  
for the crusher


clay


On Jun 7, 2009, at 4:04 PM, kevin kraly wrote:

Gump going to the crusher?  Now that would be a sad day.  Just  
give her to me.  It would be a good ongoing project.


Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
1983 300sD 267Kmi, Ursula

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Re: [MBZ] A project pair of SDL's

2009-06-08 Thread MG

Well...maybe not another project but I could use the engine and 
tranny for another vehicle that I have. I'll take a look at it.


Thanks,
Manfred




Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 22:23:42 -0400
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Jacksonville Craigslist has an SDL with a bad engine for $550, and a few
listings above is an SDL engine and transmission but with no price 
'parting

out' car.  I think some of the info is probably not correct [was there a
1989 SDL?], but for the mechanically inclined it might be worth a look.

Manfred - you need another project right now, don't you?  [if you are
interested just don't tell your wife where I live].

Bill R

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[MBZ] acceleration alley at daytona 500 experience

2009-06-08 Thread Gary Hurst

yeah, i'm just a sucker for tourist traps myself.  i drove the simulator at
daytona once and did about 57 seconds a lap.  i wanted to give the girl at
the counter 50 bucks and tell her i'd like to go 10 more times in a row, but
ran away instead.  a day later, i regret not doing it.

probably better i didn't as i found my first run so exciting i had some
minor chest pains.

i normally hate to tout something this mainstream, but i can't help it in
this case
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Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off

2009-06-08 Thread tyler


So does my dads 1987 Subaru XT Turbo. I wish all cars did.

Tyler

R A Bennell wrote:

I think my old Honda Civic did too.

Randy

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YES !!!  -That's where it was, in the Sonnett! I couldn't remember which
manual tranny car had a dip stick.


  

And speaking of manual trannies, I always loved that my Saab manual tranny
had a dipstick.

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Re: [MBZ] Checking tranny fluid level engine off

2009-06-08 Thread R A Bennell

I think my old Honda Civic did too.

Randy

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YES !!!  -That's where it was, in the Sonnett! I couldn't remember which
manual tranny car had a dip stick.


> And speaking of manual trannies, I always loved that my Saab manual tranny
> had a dipstick.
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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Gasoline Prices]




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National Price - All Grades
 Average 2.112  2.102  2.129  2.290  2.360   2.485  2.572  2.673
 Conventional Areas  2.081  2.066  2.093  2.267  2.331   2.463  2.548  2.646
 RFG Areas   2.174  2.175  2.202  2.337  2.421   2.531  2.621  2.728

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 Average 2.059  2.049  2.078  2.240  2.309   2.435  2.524  2.624
 Conventional Areas  2.031  2.016  2.045  2.218  2.281   2.414  2.502  2.600
 RFG Areas   2.118  2.118  2.147  2.285  2.368   2.477  2.570  2.676

National Price - Midgrade
 Average 2.181  2.171  2.195  2.352  2.424   2.547  2.630  2.731
 Conventional Areas  2.140  2.124  2.149  2.322  2.387   2.516  2.595  2.692
 RFG Areas   2.259  2.262  2.284  2.411  2.495   2.608  2.698  2.806

National Price - Premium
 Average 2.294  2.285  2.308  2.467  2.540   2.661  2.741  2.843
 Conventional Areas  2.268  2.251  2.275  2.450  2.517   2.644  2.721  2.820
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 Conventional Areas  2.123  2.109  2.113  2.286  2.369   2.462  2.527  2.613
 RFG Areas   2.085  2.092  2.120  2.270  2.348   2.458  2.529  2.604

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 Conventional Areas  2.130  2.124  2.146  2.305  2.377   2.461  2.555  2.619
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 RFG Areas   2.057  2.051  2.062  2.225  2.319   2.424  2.488  2.560

PADD 2 - Midwest
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 Conventional Areas  2.029  2.006  2.066  2.267  2.307   2.489  2.606  2.723
 RFG Areas   2.124  2.129  2.210  2.453  2.507   2.597  2.705  2.834

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 Conventional Areas  2.025  2.003  2.014  2.193  2.274   2.384  2.449  2.534
 RFG Areas   2.021  2.002  2.008  2.175  2.253   2.341  2.411  2.513

PADD 4 - Rocky Mountain
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PADD 5 - West Coast
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PADD 5b - West Coast less CA
 Average 2.211  2.211  2.232  2.315  2.386   2.514  2.598  2.697
 Conventional Areas  2.283  2.286  2.309  2.386  2.446   2.556  2.639  2.731
 RFG Areas   1.865  1.855  1.868  1.976  2.097   2.314  2.405  2.539

California
 RFG Areas   2.386  2.386  2.400  2.470  2.570   2.683  2.801  2.937

Colorado
 Conventional Areas  2.068  2.086  2.108  2.240  2.297   2.

[MBZ] Things I did this weekend

2009-06-08 Thread winmutt

W123 TD swaybar in a D - Very nice improvment in handling. PITA but I 
would recommend to anyone with a TD in a junkyard near by.


Gwagen clutch/flywheel - Much better over the 200D flywheel I had in 
there. Doesn't rev as fast and third gear turbo lag is way worse but 
overall I am happy. Getting up on the ramps is way easier now, the extra 
2cm on the clutch and heavier fly wheel makes it a smooth operation now.


Rear diff - No more humming!

I also washed the Motoroam and that was a night and day difference. 
Can't wait to get inside tha puppy and put a full days work into it.



-Rolf

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Re: [MBZ] Amazing...flat amazing


Canned or caned?  Or both?

--R

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This woman should be canned tomorrow.

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Re: [MBZ] My E320 Gas Smell

I had a gas can in my garage I filled up in the winter. A couple of
weeks ago I smell gas and see the can spewing gas out the vent. Moved
it outside (in the sun) and the spewing increased!

Gasoline has a high coefficient of expansion. Gas in ground tanks is
cool. Gas sitting in car gets warm pretty quick, gas expands, gas spews.

We never filled airplane tanks all the way up in the summer -- the fuel
in the truck sorta stayed cooler than the plane tanks (takes a lot of
heat transfer to cool/heat the fuel, in the big truck tank it goes
through night/day cycles and changes slowly, but in the plane tank it
can warm up real quick and make a mess on the wings).

Heat transfer (conduction) goes at the 4th power of the temp difference
over a distance, if you have a smaller path for heat to transfer (like
in a flattish fuel tank) it can go very quickly, in a big round tank
like a truck or dump it goes slowly. (that does not account for
convection, i.e. swirling around, just conduction which is more
applicable in a big stable tank -- in a small tank it swishes around and
warms up quickly from the tank sides).

Physics are fun.

--R

Robert Rentfro wrote:

I drove the '05 E320 to Scottsdale to spend money yesterday. On the way
back, the reserve fuel light came on (precisely where it should) so I
stopped for fuel. I filled until the handle clicked off, no topping off. I
drove the 1.2 miles home and placed the car in the garage. About two hours
later I went into the garage and it smelled like someone dumped a gallon of
gas on the floor. I put the garage door up to air it out wondering what the
% LEL of premium is as it's wafting around my gas hot H2O heater..

This is not the first time this has happened. Nothing is leaking out and I
don't think I'm overfilling because I don't top off. What the heck?

My garage this time of year is usually around 100-105 degrees, but it has
done this when the garage is cold (40 degrees) too.

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil


WILTON wrote:
Likely a POS engine, probably the smaller one, but I don't know - yet. 
Whichever one, I thought it was plenty big when he got it.   ;<



IIRC, changeover from 7.3 IDI to 7.3 Powerstroke was mid year 1994,
and changover from 7.3 Powerstroke to 6.0 was mid year 2003.
Haven't really paid attention to later developments.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

Likely a POS engine, probably the smaller one, but I don't know - yet. 
Whichever one, I thought it was plenty big when he got it.   ;<

Wilton

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Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 2:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

Which engine? Rare on 7.3, not unusual on 6.0

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To: "mercedes list" 
Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 1:58:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup 
('bout an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray 
smoke. I asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and 
has he had to add water recently. "Yes, added water coupla days before." 
At lunch today, he said, "Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is 
blowing oil out tailpipe. Possible blown head gasket or even cracked head 
and/or block?

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

2009-06-08 Thread Kevin

An 07 would probably be the twin turbo 6.4, which had enough warranty problems
that Ford decided to start making its own engines again.

On Mon, Jun 08, 2009 at 06:01:15PM +, pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
> Which engine? Rare on 7.3, not unusual on 6.0 

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Re: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

2009-06-08 Thread pm7088

Which engine? Rare on 7.3, not unusual on 6.0 


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Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

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From: "WILTON"  
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Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 1:58:15 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil 

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup ('bout 
an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray smoke. I asked 
him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and has he had to add 
water recently. "Yes, added water coupla days before." At lunch today, he said, 
"Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe. Possible 
blown head gasket or even cracked head and/or block? 

Wilton 
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[MBZ] Ford Diesel with "chocolate milk" for oil

'Coupla days ago, friend at lunch said his Ford Diesel crew cab pickup ('bout 
an '07 45 kmi) was running rough and blowing/billowing blue/gray smoke.  I 
asked him to check oil for water/foam/chocolate milk, etc., and has he had to 
add water recently.  "Yes, added water coupla days before."  At lunch today, he 
said, "Yep, it has "chocolate milk" for oil and is blowing oil out tailpipe.  
Possible blown head gasket or even cracked head and/or block?

Wilton 
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Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY!!!!


Ed,

That's my old stomping grounds - I know exactly where you're describing.

I'm not really in the market right now - just curious.  Black with gold trim is 
a bit too "pimped" for me.  I like bone stock, so unless there was something 
really spectacular about it, I doubt I would be interested.

Thanks,

Dan

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ed Booher  wrote:

> From: Ed Booher 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 11:21 AM
> 
> Dan,
> 
> It's on Smith Valley Road just West of 37. . Ok,
> technically just West
> of Railroad Rd,  or whatever it's called where it
> meets Smith Valley. It's
> been repainted black, and the trim has been electroplated
> gold. Has both the
> soft and hard tops, and my Father and youngest Brother were
> looking at it,
> but I don't think my Dad is really interested in it. He
> wants an old 107
> with the round headlights.
> 
> My Brother did drive it, and said it ran out strong. There
> is some light
> amount of rust on the trunk deck lid where the repaint has
> chipped away.
> Don't know if the original color was black or not. Dad
> looked at it pretty
> good and said he thought it was straight so if it had been
> in an accident
> probably light fender bender.
> 
> Owner is asking $4000 for it. Didn't have the opportunity
> to pop hood and
> verify AMG fender tag to know that it isn't badge
> engineered because the guy
> was at work when I was down there visiting, and my Brother
> wouldn't know
> what to look for. Let me know if you look at/buy it.
> 
> Later,
> 
> EdB
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Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY!!!!


Ed is a neighbor.  Greenwood, IN.

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, andrew strasfogel  wrote:

> From: andrew strasfogel 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 11:10 AM
> There are at least a dozen Greenwoods
> in the USA. What state?
> 
> On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM, LWB250 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hey, Ed!  Where in Greenwood?  WHat was it
> listed in, CL?
> >
> > Just curious, since the rest of the family lives there
> and I get down there
> > often.  Might check it out for grins...
> >
> > Dan
> >
> > --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ed Booher 
> wrote:
> >
> > > From: Ed Booher 
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN
> GERMANY
> > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > > Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:47 AM
> > > There is a 450 SL AMG in Greenwood
> > > for $4000. So, yeah, they appear to have
> > > come down quite a bit. They are in that
> transitional period
> > > where in a few
> > > years they will sky rocket as "collectors
> vehicles" and be
> > > untouchable price
> > > wise.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, andrew strasfogel
>  > >wrote:
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY!!!!

2009-06-08 Thread Ed Booher

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM, LWB250  wrote:

>
> Hey, Ed!  Where in Greenwood?  WHat was it listed in, CL?
>
> Just curious, since the rest of the family lives there and I get down there
> often.  Might check it out for grins...
>
> Dan

Andrew,

Greenwood, Indiana.

Dan,

It's on Smith Valley Road just West of 37. . Ok, technically just West
of Railroad Rd,  or whatever it's called where it meets Smith Valley. It's
been repainted black, and the trim has been electroplated gold. Has both the
soft and hard tops, and my Father and youngest Brother were looking at it,
but I don't think my Dad is really interested in it. He wants an old 107
with the round headlights.

My Brother did drive it, and said it ran out strong. There is some light
amount of rust on the trunk deck lid where the repaint has chipped away.
Don't know if the original color was black or not. Dad looked at it pretty
good and said he thought it was straight so if it had been in an accident
probably light fender bender.

Owner is asking $4000 for it. Didn't have the opportunity to pop hood and
verify AMG fender tag to know that it isn't badge engineered because the guy
was at work when I was down there visiting, and my Brother wouldn't know
what to look for. Let me know if you look at/buy it.

Later,

EdB

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[MBZ] My E320 Gas Smell

2009-06-08 Thread Robert Rentfro

I drove the '05 E320 to Scottsdale to spend money yesterday. On the way
back, the reserve fuel light came on (precisely where it should) so I
stopped for fuel. I filled until the handle clicked off, no topping off. I
drove the 1.2 miles home and placed the car in the garage. About two hours
later I went into the garage and it smelled like someone dumped a gallon of
gas on the floor. I put the garage door up to air it out wondering what the
% LEL of premium is as it's wafting around my gas hot H2O heater..

 

This is not the first time this has happened. Nothing is leaking out and I
don't think I'm overfilling because I don't top off. What the heck?

My garage this time of year is usually around 100-105 degrees, but it has
done this when the garage is cold (40 degrees) too.

 

Bob R

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Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY!!!!

There are at least a dozen Greenwoods in the USA. What state?

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM, LWB250  wrote:

>
> Hey, Ed!  Where in Greenwood?  WHat was it listed in, CL?
>
> Just curious, since the rest of the family lives there and I get down there
> often.  Might check it out for grins...
>
> Dan
>
> --- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ed Booher  wrote:
>
> > From: Ed Booher 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:47 AM
> > There is a 450 SL AMG in Greenwood
> > for $4000. So, yeah, they appear to have
> > come down quite a bit. They are in that transitional period
> > where in a few
> > years they will sky rocket as "collectors vehicles" and be
> > untouchable price
> > wise.
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, andrew strasfogel  >wrote:
> >
> > > How the mighty have fallen...
> > >
> > > Seriously, did anyone ever think that a decent 107 SL
> > would ever be selling
> > > for only $3k?
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Front wiper motor in a W123 -anyone BTDT?

So I should remove the wiper relay and try again?  Is there only that one
front wiper relay for the intermittent function or are there two?

On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 11:03 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>  3) if there is a fault in the intermittent wiper relay:  Same as 2)
>> above.
>>
>
> Oh, you didn't pull that first?  I think it'll still wipe
> on one speed without it, and it won't auto-park.
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY!!!!


Hey, Ed!  Where in Greenwood?  WHat was it listed in, CL?

Just curious, since the rest of the family lives there and I get down there 
often.  Might check it out for grins...

Dan

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, Ed Booher  wrote:

> From: Ed Booher 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] RUNS GREAT,MADE IN GERMANY
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 5:47 AM
> There is a 450 SL AMG in Greenwood
> for $4000. So, yeah, they appear to have
> come down quite a bit. They are in that transitional period
> where in a few
> years they will sky rocket as "collectors vehicles" and be
> untouchable price
> wise.
> 
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 9:31 AM, andrew strasfogel 
> wrote:
> 
> > How the mighty have fallen...
> >
> > Seriously, did anyone ever think that a decent 107 SL
> would ever be selling
> > for only $3k?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"


That whole movie was a plot assembled around product placements.  Nearly every 
gadget and vehicle had the name and/or badging figuring prominently in every 
shot they were used in.

Dan

--- On Mon, 6/8/09, relng...@aol.com  wrote:

> From: relng...@aol.com 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"
> To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> Date: Monday, June 8, 2009, 12:32 AM
> > ...So, that "747" I saw the VW
> pulling and the "747" I saw last night in 
> > "Casino Royale" are the same movie prop with the 2
> engines on each side in 
> > an inboard pod?  When I saw it last night, I had that
> thought, but then to 
> > see it on YouTube today made me really wonder
> > 
> Lets take a real one, say, a 747-400ER. 524 prisoners
> aboard in coach seats 
> with a take-off weight of 910,000 pounds. No piss-ant
> diesel passenger car 
> is going to get that thing moving. And, "oo but the torque"
> won't cut it.
> 
> That VW financed Touareg ad was as dishonest as that old
> Volvo ad with all 
> the cars stacked up that got the Swedes in so much hot
> akavit.
> 
> RLE
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Front wiper motor in a W123 -anyone BTDT?

3) if there is a fault in the intermittent wiper relay:  Same as 2) 
above.


Oh, you didn't pull that first?  I think it'll still wipe
on one speed without it, and it won't auto-park.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"

Didn't some airports use Unimogs to move planes around at one time ?  
I seem

to remember a picture of one hooked up to a 747 once.


Yeah, there were airport tugs.  The Mogs in question have
torque converters, and are easily identified by virtue of
the oil cooler that pokes out the front of the grille.
Put it in gear, let out the clutch, and floor it.  Wait
to see what develops.  I think they're rated to 20 tons.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] OT - 747

Basic weight about 400,000 lbs?

Wilton
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Re: [MBZ] fake-o

2009-06-08 Thread Barry Stark

Right, but really raised my eyebrows is the claim that they added 4.3 tons
of ballast. Now any thinking person would think that much weight would
totally bottom out the suspension in the car but if you look there is still
plenty of room in the fender wells. Also, though I know that Michelins are
good tires and all, even with 60-70 PSI of air pressure, let's add it up a
bit. 4.3 short tons =8600lbs + 5000 for the car...add it all up you get
13,600...now divide by 4 gives us 3,400 lbs of load per tire. Wouldn't you
think that even at that air pressure with that weight it may tend to flatten
the tires just a little bit? I bet the only sandbag that had any sand in it
was the one he put in the car. The rest...likely more Styrofoam pellets.

Barry

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of WILTON
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 8:03 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fake-o

So, that "747" I saw the VW pulling and the "747" I saw last night in 
"Casino Royale" are the same movie prop with the 2 engines on each side in 
an inboard pod?  When I saw it last night, I had that thought, but then to 
see it on YouTube today made me really wonder.  Thanks.

Wilton

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Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2009 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] fake-o


>> Take a look at this, an 18,000lb Toetag tows a 747...
>>
> If you like.
>
> It's a movie prop. No engines, radically clipped wings, fake underwing
> tanks.
>
> RLE



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Re: [MBZ] R&R Front wiper motor in a W123 -anyone BTDT?

Craig, this is great info - thanks!!

So what happens if I UNplug the wiper motor and try to engage the wipers?
My predictions are as follows:

1) if wiper motor is at fault:   I will be able to activate the washer fluid
pump but obviously there will be no wiper action.  Fuse will NOT blow.

2) if there is a fault in the combination switch:  Fuse will flow as soon as
I engage any setting involving the wipers (speeds 1-3 + w/s washer pump
mode)

3) if there is a fault in the intermittent wiper relay:  Same as 2) above.

4) Any other possibilities?

Please provide comments or corrections to this diagnosis, which is probably
overly simplistic.

Andrew
1985 300TD  - Currently a car for fair weather only
On Sun, Jun 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Craig McCluskey  wrote:

> On Sun, 7 Jun 2009 11:17:17 -0400 andrew strasfogel
>  wrote:
>
> > These seem rarely to go bad, because NOBODY on this list has ever
> > replaced one (so far, anyway).
>
> I sure haven't, but the Model Year 1982 Electrical Troubleshooting Manual
> says the connector for the wiper motor, C112 (6 pins), is to the upper
> right of the power brake booster. From the picture it's just above where
> the accelerator rod pivot is on the firewall, toward the passenger side
> from the brake booster.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] styrofoam "747"