Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Jim Cathey]

A handy use for a dead porcelain MB fuse body is as a
carrier for electrodes to a test lamp.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Jim Cathey]

This will pass current and not burn something up in the process?


Yes, that's the point.  A 10W lamp will be less than 1A of
current, hard to burn up any automotive type wiring with
only one amp.  Where else are you going to find a 10W power
resistor with built-in visual indication as cheap?

It's a very old technique.  Predates cars, most likely.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[OK Don]

Doesn't it also increase with temperature - tending to reduce current as
more goes through it?

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:23:53 -0500 Wonko the Sane 
> wrote:
>
> > The lamp will, I suspect, function as a resistor.
>
> Yes, that's what it does. The visual indication is a bonus!
>
>
> Craig
>
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 21:23:53 -0500 Wonko the Sane 
wrote:

> The lamp will, I suspect, function as a resistor.

Yes, that's what it does. The visual indication is a bonus!


Craig



> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 PM, LWB250  wrote:
> 
> > If you size the lamp to carry the maximum current the circuit can
> > handle, it won't blow.
> >
> > This is nothing new - I used to use the "light bulb method" to
> > troubleshoot triac controlled DC motor controls.  Saves blowing up
> > components, that's for sure
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> DPAD.
> 
> The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust
> and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers
> had their own ways.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

[Rich Thomas]

Isn't Moir like a froggy name?

--R

Frederick W Moir wrote:

Dwight.
I agree that it looks like the unfortunate mating of Brunhilde and a 
Boxer dog!
Them new-fangled French measurements have finally screwed up the 
Empire. William the Conquerer finally triumphs!
When I left, everything made sense:- groats, farthings, thrup'ny bits, 
tanners, bobs, florins, crowns, pounds and the legal professions 
method of extracting an extra fee, Guineas!
We measured in inches, feet, chains, furlongs, miles and leagues. None 
o'them sissy French metric bits!

The country has gone to the dogs, I tell 'e.
Fred Moir (Married to a French-Canadian) Mad I am, total loony.
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

At 08:31 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

IMHO-all of this mpg talk misses the point-friggin ugly and should be
punishable in stocks.
But Fred-don't Brits now think In terms of litres as well?
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.



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Re: [MBZ] ChowdaQ pics

[OK Don]

Excelent pics! Thanks ---

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Lost my webhost from last year so I'm trying Photobucket.
> http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/
>
> Theres links to my 2008 and 2009 albums. The 2009 has an album of pics Burt
> took too although most of his pictures are of my dog...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 13:00:24 -0500 Wonko the Sane 
wrote:

> Do dash lights come on when the switch is in position 3?
> 
> According to the owner's manual, position 3 is standing limps, right.
> Position 1 gives that plus license plate lamps and instrument panel
> lamps (also on fuse #3).

On a W123, the dash lights do not come on when you have the right or left
standing lights on.


> If the rear lights are the only thing getting power from fuse #3 when
> the switch is in position 3, that might narrow things down quite a bit.

I think it's a single filament, both front and rear, on the side that has
the standing lights lit.


Craig

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[MBZ] OT: Metrick Measure.

[Frederick W Moir]

Dwight.
I agree that it looks like the unfortunate mating of Brunhilde and a Boxer dog!
Them new-fangled French measurements have finally screwed up the 
Empire. William the Conquerer finally triumphs!
When I left, everything made sense:- groats, farthings, thrup'ny 
bits, tanners, bobs, florins, crowns, pounds and the legal 
professions method of extracting an extra fee, Guineas!
We measured in inches, feet, chains, furlongs, miles and leagues. 
None o'them sissy French metric bits!

The country has gone to the dogs, I tell 'e.
Fred Moir (Married to a French-Canadian) Mad I am, total loony.
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

At 08:31 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

IMHO-all of this mpg talk misses the point-friggin ugly and should be
punishable in stocks.
But Fred-don't Brits now think In terms of litres as well?
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.



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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

The lamp will, I suspect, function as a resistor.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:03 PM, LWB250  wrote:

> If you size the lamp to carry the maximum current the circuit can handle,
> it won't blow.
>
> This is nothing new - I used to use the "light bulb method" to troubleshoot
> triac controlled DC motor controls.  Saves blowing up components, that's for
> sure
>
> Dan
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[LWB250]

If you size the lamp to carry the maximum current the circuit can handle, it 
won't blow.

This is nothing new - I used to use the "light bulb method" to troubleshoot 
triac controlled DC motor controls.  Saves blowing up components, that's for 
sure

Dan


--- On Mon, 9/14/09, OK Don  wrote:

> From: OK Don 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Date: Monday, September 14, 2009, 9:53 PM
> Yes, it will pass current - until it
> burns out - or you find the short by
> the smell amd smoke method - just follow your nose!
> 
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Wonko the Sane 
> wrote:
> 
> > You now have my full attention.
> >
> > This will pass current and not burn something up in
> the process?
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jim Cathey 
> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The usual way to chase this is to clip a light
> bulb into
> > > the circuit instead of a fuse.  I use a
> Chevy dome lamp that
> > > has two wire 'handles' coming out the ends,
> alligator clips
> > > hook to it right handily.
> > >
> > >
> > > -- Jim
> >
> > --
> > OK Don
> > Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
> >
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[MBZ] ChowdaQ pics

[Curt Raymond]

Lost my webhost from last year so I'm trying Photobucket.
http://s843.photobucket.com/albums/zz353/curtludwig/

Theres links to my 2008 and 2009 albums. The 2009 has an album of pics Burt 
took too although most of his pictures are of my dog...

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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[OK Don]

Yes, it will pass current - until it burns out - or you find the short by
the smell amd smoke method - just follow your nose!

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:38 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> You now have my full attention.
>
> This will pass current and not burn something up in the process?
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:
>
> >
> > The usual way to chase this is to clip a light bulb into
> > the circuit instead of a fuse.  I use a Chevy dome lamp that
> > has two wire 'handles' coming out the ends, alligator clips
> > hook to it right handily.
> >
> >
> > -- Jim
>
> --
> OK Don
> Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

You now have my full attention.

This will pass current and not burn something up in the process?

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

>
> The usual way to chase this is to clip a light bulb into
> the circuit instead of a fuse.  I use a Chevy dome lamp that
> has two wire 'handles' coming out the ends, alligator clips
> hook to it right handily.
>
>
> -- Jim
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Jim Cathey]

Jim:  Why do you suspect light fixtures above unplugged HCS wiring?


'cause I've seen it before!


Fuse #3 pops when the headlight switch is in the first stop left (3)
*or*right (1) of the off position (0). But that makes sense, since
both impact the right tail light.


Bonus.  That even tells you which side to look at, and eliminates
the other parking-type lights like the license plate.  Pull both light
fixtures out and give 'em a good look, including the bulbs themselves.


Do tail light wires go that way [trunk hinge] in a sedan?


No, they don't.  That won't be the problem.


and use the old ones [fuses] when troubleshooting this problem.


The usual way to chase this is to clip a light bulb into
the circuit instead of a fuse.  I use a Chevy dome lamp that
has two wire 'handles' coming out the ends, alligator clips
hook to it right handily.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[OK Don]

Or Singapore, Malasia, India, Mexico 

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Alex Chamberlain
wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:14 PM, OK Don  wrote:
> > Slap some Peltier chips to the sides of your battery ---
>
> But they were probably made in China.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT CL photog of the day

[OK Don]

Trying to get the most out of the area of the format - long skinny thing
gets more pixels when placed from corner to corner in the frame. Either
that, or they are trying to get attention.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 3:35 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> 'Hard to understand why some "photographers" like to turn their
> cameras/photos askew, especially when they need to show an item at its best.
> Photos turned like this tend to just give me vertigo and eliminate any
> interest I may have had in the subject otherwise.
>
> Wilton
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

Unfortunately, that is exactly what I found. I can make out the wire colors
but not much more.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 7:55 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> You wrote < after lunch and try to find the wiring diagram.>>
>
> Good luck with that - my WDs are so fuzzy I can't read them at all!
>  They're totally useless!
>
> Take care -
> LarryT
> 91  300D




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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Curt Raymond]

No I don't think a charger will keep the battery as warm but I think it'll do a 
plenty good job at -10F...
With M1 5w40 my 240D will start pretty reliably at -10F with no assistance. 
With 15w40 and the block heater it'll start easy at -10F...

At -10F you'll only need the block heater. At -40F you'd want "the Fairbanks 
treatment".

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 19:25:15 -0500
From: Mountain Man 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Curt wrote:
>
> Pete's right though a charger should keep the battery pretty warm regardless. 
> How cold do you expect it to get?
>

Ya think a charger keeps a battery as warm as a heater?
It might get -10F here western bubs of ChiTown.
I like the wbasto heater - but a bit pricey.
mao


  
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[LarryT]

You wrote <>

Good luck with that - my WDs are so fuzzy I can't read them at all!  They're 
totally useless!


Tae care -
LarryT
91  300D

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From: "Wonko the Sane" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 11:12 AM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

The round wiring connection for the instrument cluster is disconnected 
(and
the fuse still blows). Wouldn't power for the dash lights come through 
that

connection? I am going to be bring my W124 maintenance CDs back with me
after lunch and try to find the wiring diagram.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:


The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise.




Headlights?  Or parking lights?  I'm betting the latter,
and that your dash dimmer is at fault.


-- Jim



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[MBZ] Walmartization of the world: was brake job nightmare

[OK Don]

Wonko's story on the "rebuilt" starters with lifetime guaranty from a FLAPS
chain is worth hearing again in this thread - Wonko?


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Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

IMHO-all of this mpg talk misses the point-friggin ugly and should be
punishable in stocks.
But Fred-don't Brits now think In terms of litres as well?


Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI


-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 7:15 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

Alles.
An Imperial Gallon is biggah than a U.S Gallon by one fifth. (I'll 
drink to that.)
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

At 07:06 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>Yeah, 40 mpg. A downright lie.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Sep 14, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:
>
>Another one @ 40 mpg, too.   ;>)
>
>Wilton
>
>http://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C112708/#


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Re: [MBZ] battery warmer

[Mountain Man]

RLE wrote:
> Who the hell cares? He's looking for cheap.

Price is secondary.
Non-china is primary.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Mountain Man]

Curt wrote:
>
> Pete's right though a charger should keep the battery pretty warm regardless. 
> How cold do you expect it to get?
>

Ya think a charger keeps a battery as warm as a heater?
It might get -10F here western bubs of ChiTown.
I like the wbasto heater - but a bit pricey.
mao

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Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

[Wonko the Sane]

That is quite ... different.

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Re: [MBZ] Linux webserver botnet pushes malware

[Rich Thomas]

As Scott McNealy once said at a large gathering of Lotus folks 10 or 11 
years  ago, "There is no privacy any more.  Get over it."


So, I got over it and no longer worry about it.

--R

Loren Faeth wrote:
You are technically right.  But for most of us the distinction between 
malware and software used to install malware is a distinction without 
a meaningful difference.  Nice explanation.


I bestow on you one of my highly coveted "detail awards" otherwise 
known as the anal retentive award.  It is the highest honor I bestow 
in the IT world.  I have not given one out for years!  One guy earned 
one with such high distinction that no awards have been given since.  
He became the reigning king, and the monthly awards were ceased, 
because all contestants concurred that nobody could beat him.  
Congratulations.  (That is serious and sincere.)  You seriously and 
sincerely gave a great explanation!  I apologize for using the shortcut.


I tend to group malware of any form and the distribution of such all 
under the term malware.  In my outlook, legit software used for 
malicious purpose is still malware.  Technically, you are correct.  
From the perspective of the result, it really doesn't matter if legit 
software is used for malicious purpose or if it was malicious 
software, the result is still a malicious attack.  That is my shortcut.


Probably you are right about not updated, but then there are all the 
things that some "updates" break, and that leaves most of us jaded and 
reluctant to install updates, particularly on the winders platform.  I 
have advocated on Windows to not install a SP until the next SP is 
out.  By then , the patches may be patched enough to not cause big 
problems.


It is scary out there.  Using a Non-M$ platform is one defense, but 
that defense is not infallible as many have claimed.  Using a non-M$ 
browser is another defense, but there are still lots of 
vulnerabilities and attacks not addressed by those two strategies.


At 12:38 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

I didn't try to worm-out of it, I was just correcting the article's
mistake in saying that the webserver that was installed was mallware.
It was just the means of putting the malware on the net.

When I said they rooted the box, I was referring to gaining access to
the root account, analogous to the admin account on windows, which is
usually done through an escalation of privileges that is brought
around by a buffer overflow or some other vulnerability in a piece of
software that is running on the machine. My apologies for not
clarifying that in the original message.

It would be like someone doing the reboot to safe-mode admin account
workaround on XP home edition, creating a new administrator account,
logging into that account, and then enabling remote desktop and
sharing a folder on your computer that was filled with malware. In
that case, there was no root kit installed, no malware installed, and
yet there still was a security breach.

It's not technically a virus, or malware that got them in, it was a
clever exploitation of a vulnerability, that may or may not have been
there because of a lack of upkeep and maintenance.

I agree, every system is vulnerable in some way, some systems are just
more hardened than others, and Linux/Unix/Mac are currently more
secure, on average, than windows.(at least XP through 3.1, vista made
some small leaps with UAC, and I can't speak for windows 7)

But again, in the end, it comes down to the user/sysadmin keeping the
system up to date and patched.

For the record I am a Linux user, and therefore am slightly biased,
but I try to keep my opinions out of matters and deal with the facts.

I hope nothing I've said comes across as arrogant or leaves the wrong
impression.

On 9/14/09, Loren Faeth  wrote:
> My point exactly.  Every OS is vulnerable in some way.  (Many ways)
> You tried to worm out by saying the malware was "not a virus."  THen
> you went on to say they probably installed a rootkit.   It is
> malware, and malware is malware, whether some piece of it is "legit"
> or not.  Linux is vulnerable to malware.  Those who claim otherwise
> are fools.  Whether the malware is technically a "virus" or not is
> immaterial.
>
>
>
>
> At 04:49 AM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>>The "infected" machines/vm's were probably behind on software updates.
>>Linux still has that fatal flaw called the user, if the user doesn't
>>update when a bug is found and patched, then the system stays
>>vulnerable.
>>
>>In all, what probably happened was a service on the servers was
>>vulnerable in some way, the attacker rooted the box, and then
>>installed nginx(which is not a virus, it's a legit web server) on a
>>non-standard port, and Bob's your uncle, you got a place to serve
>>whatever ya want.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Loren Faeth
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Uh, Wonko, what was that about no virus on linux.  We all know 
it is

>> > invincible because it is open sour

Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

[Frederick W Moir]

Alles.
An Imperial Gallon is biggah than a U.S Gallon by one fifth. (I'll 
drink to that.)

Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.

At 07:06 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

Yeah, 40 mpg. A downright lie.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

Another one @ 40 mpg, too.   ;>)

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

[Mitch Haley]

Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Yeah, 40 mpg. A downright lie.


But aren't Devonshire gallons something like 5 US quarts?
32mpg US isn't easy, but it's possible, and therefore 40 mpg Imp. should be 
possible too.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

[Dimitri Seretakis]

Yeah, 40 mpg. A downright lie.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2009, at 7:00 PM, "WILTON"  wrote:

Another one @ 40 mpg, too.   ;>)

Wilton

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Re: [MBZ] Linux webserver botnet pushes malware

[Loren Faeth]

You are technically right.  But for most of us the distinction 
between malware and software used to install malware is a distinction 
without a meaningful difference.  Nice explanation.


I bestow on you one of my highly coveted "detail awards" otherwise 
known as the anal retentive award.  It is the highest honor I bestow 
in the IT world.  I have not given one out for years!  One guy earned 
one with such high distinction that no awards have been given 
since.  He became the reigning king, and the monthly awards were 
ceased, because all contestants concurred that nobody could beat 
him.  Congratulations.  (That is serious and sincere.)  You seriously 
and sincerely gave a great explanation!  I apologize for using the shortcut.


I tend to group malware of any form and the distribution of such all 
under the term malware.  In my outlook, legit software used for 
malicious purpose is still malware.  Technically, you are 
correct.  From the perspective of the result, it really doesn't 
matter if legit software is used for malicious purpose or if it was 
malicious software, the result is still a malicious attack.  That is 
my shortcut.


Probably you are right about not updated, but then there are all the 
things that some "updates" break, and that leaves most of us jaded 
and reluctant to install updates, particularly on the winders 
platform.  I have advocated on Windows to not install a SP until the 
next SP is out.  By then , the patches may be patched enough to not 
cause big problems.


It is scary out there.  Using a Non-M$ platform is one defense, but 
that defense is not infallible as many have claimed.  Using a non-M$ 
browser is another defense, but there are still lots of 
vulnerabilities and attacks not addressed by those two strategies.


At 12:38 PM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

I didn't try to worm-out of it, I was just correcting the article's
mistake in saying that the webserver that was installed was mallware.
It was just the means of putting the malware on the net.

When I said they rooted the box, I was referring to gaining access to
the root account, analogous to the admin account on windows, which is
usually done through an escalation of privileges that is brought
around by a buffer overflow or some other vulnerability in a piece of
software that is running on the machine. My apologies for not
clarifying that in the original message.

It would be like someone doing the reboot to safe-mode admin account
workaround on XP home edition, creating a new administrator account,
logging into that account, and then enabling remote desktop and
sharing a folder on your computer that was filled with malware. In
that case, there was no root kit installed, no malware installed, and
yet there still was a security breach.

It's not technically a virus, or malware that got them in, it was a
clever exploitation of a vulnerability, that may or may not have been
there because of a lack of upkeep and maintenance.

I agree, every system is vulnerable in some way, some systems are just
more hardened than others, and Linux/Unix/Mac are currently more
secure, on average, than windows.(at least XP through 3.1, vista made
some small leaps with UAC, and I can't speak for windows 7)

But again, in the end, it comes down to the user/sysadmin keeping the
system up to date and patched.

For the record I am a Linux user, and therefore am slightly biased,
but I try to keep my opinions out of matters and deal with the facts.

I hope nothing I've said comes across as arrogant or leaves the wrong
impression.

On 9/14/09, Loren Faeth  wrote:
> My point exactly.  Every OS is vulnerable in some way.  (Many ways)
> You tried to worm out by saying the malware was "not a virus."  THen
> you went on to say they probably installed a rootkit.   It is
> malware, and malware is malware, whether some piece of it is "legit"
> or not.  Linux is vulnerable to malware.  Those who claim otherwise
> are fools.  Whether the malware is technically a "virus" or not is
> immaterial.
>
>
>
>
> At 04:49 AM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>>The "infected" machines/vm's were probably behind on software updates.
>>Linux still has that fatal flaw called the user, if the user doesn't
>>update when a bug is found and patched, then the system stays
>>vulnerable.
>>
>>In all, what probably happened was a service on the servers was
>>vulnerable in some way, the attacker rooted the box, and then
>>installed nginx(which is not a virus, it's a legit web server) on a
>>non-standard port, and Bob's your uncle, you got a place to serve
>>whatever ya want.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Loren Faeth
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Uh, Wonko, what was that about no virus on linux.  We all know it is
>> > invincible because it is open source...
>> >
>> > RIGHT!  WHO IS THIS REALLY? (Noah)
>> >
>> >
>> > At 03:23 PM 9/12/2009, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Attack of the open source zombies
>> >> ...
>> >> A sec

Re: [MBZ] Unique 240D

[WILTON]

Another one @ 40 mpg, too.   ;>)

Wilton

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[MBZ] Unique 240D

[Hendrik & Fay]

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Re: [MBZ] bat wrmr

[Allan Streib]

On Mon, 14 Sep 2009 15:52 -0400, "Mitch Haley"  wrote:

> I thought JCW was a virtual guarantee of China-ness.

Most often yes, but not always.

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT CL photog of the day

[WILTON]

'Hard to understand why some "photographers" like to turn their 
cameras/photos askew, especially when they need to show an item at its best. 
Photos turned like this tend to just give me vertigo and eliminate any 
interest I may have had in the subject otherwise.


Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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Subject: [MBZ] OT CL photog of the day



http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1373672101.html

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Re: [MBZ] battery warmer

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> I thought JCW was a virtual guarantee of China-ness...
> 
Who the hell cares? He's looking for cheap.

RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] terminology

[RELNGSON]

> it is a W210.282 E320 4matic wagon.
> 
> 
> yes
> yes
> 
No No. It's not a 300E.

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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Gasoline Prices]

[Mitch Haley]

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Taxes) This report contains price estimates for gasoline sold in
ozone non-attainment areas which require the sale of
reformulated gasoline (RFG) as designated by the Environmental
 Protection Agency, and Conventional areas which includes both
 attainment areas and carbon monoxide non-attainment areas.
Mogas web site url http://www.eia.doe.gov/oil_gas/fwd/wrgp.html

   ---  2009  ---

  Date7/278/3   8/10   8/17   8/248/319/7   9/14

National Price - All Grades
 Average 2.557  2.610  2.700  2.691  2.682   2.667  2.642  2.632
 Conventional Areas  2.510  2.561  2.645  2.631  2.622   2.605  2.569  2.550
 RFG Areas   2.652  2.710  2.810  2.813  2.802   2.795  2.792  2.799

National Price - Regular
 Average 2.503  2.557  2.647  2.637  2.628   2.613  2.588  2.577
 Conventional Areas  2.460  2.511  2.596  2.580  2.572   2.553  2.519  2.499
 RFG Areas   2.594  2.653  2.755  2.757  2.746   2.737  2.733  2.741

National Price - Midgrade
 Average 2.625  2.676  2.767  2.761  2.751   2.739  2.711  2.704
 Conventional Areas  2.564  2.613  2.700  2.688  2.677   2.662  2.619  2.603
 RFG Areas   2.742  2.796  2.896  2.901  2.893   2.887  2.890  2.899

National Price - Premium
 Average 2.744  2.793  2.883  2.877  2.869   2.857  2.831  2.818
 Conventional Areas  2.698  2.747  2.833  2.821  2.813   2.797  2.759  2.739
 RFG Areas   2.829  2.880  2.975  2.980  2.972   2.967  2.965  2.964


++
All GradesDate7/278/3   8/10   8/17   8/248/319/7   9/14
++

PADD 1 - East Coast
 Average 2.545  2.592  2.675  2.684  2.676   2.664  2.644  2.607
 Conventional Areas  2.531  2.579  2.664  2.671  2.662   2.642  2.620  2.574
 RFG Areas   2.568  2.614  2.691  2.706  2.699   2.700  2.685  2.662

PADD 1a - New England
 Average 2.581  2.628  2.708  2.720  2.714   2.726  2.718  2.700
 Conventional Areas  2.596  2.630  2.707  2.721  2.718   2.713  2.710  2.685
 RFG Areas   2.577  2.628  2.708  2.720  2.714   2.729  2.720  2.704

PADD 1b - Central Atlantic
 Average 2.600  2.649  2.721  2.741  2.736   2.728  2.715  2.689
 Conventional Areas  2.631  2.691  2.764  2.784  2.780   2.763  2.749  2.721
 RFG Areas   2.581  2.623  2.695  2.714  2.710   2.707  2.694  2.669

PADD 1c - Lower Atlantic
 Average 2.493  2.540  2.630  2.633  2.620   2.599  2.571  2.520
 Conventional Areas  2.495  2.541  2.631  2.633  2.621   2.600  2.574  2.521
 RFG Areas   2.471  2.531  2.621  2.626  2.604   2.582  2.543  2.514

PADD 2 - Midwest
 Average 2.493  2.547  2.628  2.581  2.580   2.555  2.497  2.498
 Conventional Areas  2.479  2.531  2.613  2.567  2.565   2.543  2.486  2.485
 RFG Areas   2.579  2.651  2.728  2.674  2.674   2.634  2.567  2.584

PADD 3 - Gulf Coast
 Average 2.423  2.488  2.580  2.570  2.545   2.517  2.462  2.437
 Conventional Areas  2.426  2.494  2.588  2.575  2.548   2.522  2.475  2.451
 RFG Areas   2.413  2.467  2.553  2.554  2.536   2.498  2.419  2.392

PADD 4 - Rocky Mountain
 Conventional Areas  2.549  2.554  2.622  2.660  2.665   2.663  2.645  2.636

PADD 5 - West Coast
 Average 2.819  2.879  3.004  3.012  3.000   3.008  3.054  3.094
 Conventional Areas  2.748  2.791  2.880  2.887  2.885   2.905  2.929  2.951
 RFG Areas   2.848  2.915  3.055  3.062  3.047   3.050  3.104  3.152

PADD 5b - West Coast less CA
 Average 2.713  2.760  2.851  2.860  2.855   2.868  2.883  2.899
 Conventional Areas  2.748  2.791  2.880  2.887  2.885   2.905  2.929  2.951
 RFG Areas   2.548  2.614  2.714  2.730  2.711   2.693  2.665  2.653

California
 RFG Areas   2.876  2.943  3.087  3.094  3.078   3.083  3.146  3.199

Colorado
 Conventional Areas  2.479  2.504  2.581  2.585  2.572   2.556  2.525  2.503

Florida
 Conventional Areas  2.532  2.575  2.644 

Re: [MBZ] wsh/wp

[RELNGSON]

> ...The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise...
> 
The headlight wash/wipe function requires the parking lights to be on, not 
the headlights.

BTW, current MB design activates the headlight washer (no more wipers) 
every tenth use of the windshield washer. That way, the washer reservoir is not 
emptied so quickly.

RLE
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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]

[Mitch Haley]

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(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST   CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -  -

090914  2.634  2.650  2.720   2.755   2.599   2.607   2.555  2.683  2.795  2.847
090907  2.647  2.658  2.729   2.768   2.604   2.628   2.575  2.682  2.786  2.866
090831  2.674  2.691  2.742   2.779   2.649   2.649   2.618  2.692  2.802  2.893
090824  2.668  2.692  2.741   2.781   2.649   2.637   2.622  2.671  2.785  2.880
090817  2.652  2.687  2.739   2.771   2.646   2.623   2.607  2.633  2.744  2.872
090810  2.625  2.665  2.701   2.755   2.624   2.601   2.581  2.573  2.700  2.842
090803  2.550  2.579  2.637   2.671   2.535   2.520   2.513  2.537  2.643  2.763
090727  2.528  2.550  2.613   2.643   2.505   2.500   2.493  2.540  2.617  2.720
090720  2.496  2.514  2.600   2.630   2.456   2.470   2.443  2.559  2.595  2.703
090713  2.542  2.559  2.623   2.663   2.508   2.512   2.494  2.619  2.641  2.727
090706  2.594  2.609  2.656   2.714   2.560   2.565   2.547  2.648  2.706  2.787
090629  2.608  2.629  2.666   2.726   2.584   2.578   2.569  2.631  2.712  2.785
090622  2.616  2.634  2.670   2.730   2.590   2.587   2.583  2.614  2.720  2.789
090615  2.572  2.601  2.651   2.696   2.556   2.546   2.543  2.520  2.655  2.734
090608  2.498  2.516  2.566   2.619   2.468   2.474   2.474  2.442  2.603  2.676
090601  2.352  2.369  2.438   2.457   2.326   2.322   2.323  2.343  2.460  2.502
090525  2.274  2.305  2.409   2.410   2.251   2.229   2.242  2.302  2.384  2.407
090518  2.231  2.276  2.401   2.396   2.213   2.170   2.210  2.274  2.340  2.354
090511  2.216  2.255  2.395   2.386   2.186   2.156   2.198  2.270  2.329  2.337
090504  2.185  2.226  2.382   2.365   2.152   2.124   2.153  2.262  2.306  2.316
090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315  2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327  2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336  2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311  2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282  2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150  2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091  2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120  2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185  2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238  2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284  2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292  2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303  2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319  2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338  2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353  2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275  2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273  2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274  2.251
081215  2.422  2.534  2.740   2.642   2.469   2.406   2.378  2.350  2.303  2.292
081208  2.515  2.632  2.849   2.742   2.564   2.491   2.465  2.447  2.421  2.402
081201  2.615  2.735  2.954   2.875   2.655   2.578   2.556  2.577  2.553  2.538
081124  2.664  2.788  2.997   2.925   2.710   2.624   2.598  2.644  2.608  2.605
081117  2.809  2.924  3.148   3.072   2.840   2.764   2.745  2.822  2.768  2.754
081110  2.94

Re: [MBZ] bat wrmr

[Mitch Haley]

relng...@aol.com wrote:

...cannot imagine a battery tray warmer should be only made in china,
but I cannot fathom where I might find a USA made one...



JC Whitney. Right in your own town.

  


I thought JCW was a virtual guarantee of China-ness.

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Re: [MBZ] bat wrmr

[RELNGSON]

> ...cannot imagine a battery tray warmer should be only made in china,
> but I cannot fathom where I might find a USA made one...
> 
JC Whitney. Right in your own town.

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Re: [MBZ] HUH?

[Rusty Cullens]

it is a W210.282 E320 4matic wagon.


yes
yes

Rusty Cullens
BuyMBparts, Inc.
Tel 1-800-741-5252
Fax   770-454-9745

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To: 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] HUH?



...How reliable are the AWD 2001 300E wagons?..


Do not exist. No such model.

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Re: [MBZ] HUH?

[RELNGSON]

> ...How reliable are the AWD 2001 300E wagons?..
> 
Do not exist. No such model.

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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Curt Raymond]

Indeed I did. 30min was the max "safe, no battery damage" time. I ran it as 
long as 2 hours once at -20F...
That battery lasted 3 winters.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 08:43:37 -0400
From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,    53310"
    
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Message-ID:
    
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Why do you need a battery warmer?  Is it not an option to plug in the
block heater?  Mobil 1, valve adjustment, fully functioning glow system
aren't going to cut it?

Didn't Curt or somebody figure a way to add a second battery, located in
trunk, to power the block heater via an inverter, which provided about
30 minutes of juice which was enough to warm the engine so that the
original battery could then start the car?  I like that solution better.
I think that marine stores carry a nice pre-made switch so you can
isolate the 'house' battery (then used to power the block heater) but
once the car is started add it back to the car's charging circuit to
charge it up for the next night.  Add a timer to the system to turn on
the block heater and you won't even have to worry about going out to
turn on the heater in the a.m. - the car will be nicely warmed up and
waiting for you to start it.

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC


  
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Curt Raymond]

And with a block heater -whatever...

Pete's right though a charger should keep the battery pretty warm regardless. 
How cold do you expect it to get?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:58:00 + (UTC)
From: pm7...@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer
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If
your going to be saved to 110v, why not use a trickle charger? That
along with synthetic oil should start any proper diesel down to -10?. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:09:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Battery Warmer 

Cold will be approaching soon. 
I cannot imagine a battery tray warmer should be only made in china, 
but I cannot fathom where I might find a USA made one. Also, this 
cannot be a huge design problem - can it? Maybe someone here has the 
intuition and design ideas to make one, here in USA? or give ideas how 
to make one? 
thanks 
mao 



  
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Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree

[Rich Thomas]

And if you have a car anywhere nearby (like within a quarter mile) the 
little pink flowers will glom onto it like an oyster on a rock and stain 
the paint.


Little green inch worms love them, and will drop down from the tree on 
invisible threads that you will get all over you and annoy yourself to 
no end.


They drop their seed pods all over, then come up in your yard 
everywhere, or somewhere else and squeeze out native species.


They are invasive weed trees, but do make a nice place to sit on a 
summer day, if the worms don't bother you.  My grandmother (in KY) had a 
big one in her yard when they first became widely known, someone gave it 
to her and it grew like a virus in a preschool.  And then hundreds of 
others sprung up all over...


--R

andrew strasfogel wrote:

The pretty fragrant flowers are edible, I think.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM, WILTON  wrote:

  

Weed tree here.  Eastern NC.

Wilton

- Original Message - From: "John Robbins" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree



Fmiser wrote:


I have enjoyed seeing friends mimosa trees, so I'm thinking of
adding one or two to my yard.



Beware that many people consider them weed trees since they grow so fast
and proliferate pretty quickly, which is probably why Rich said to not get
one.

Are there hidden pains, secret tricks, problems etc. regarding
  

having a mimosa tree?



Put them in the ground, fertilize them if you want, and watch them grow!
 When I bought my house in Jan of 2005 I wanted some shade in the backyard
as quickly as I could get it.  I planted two and they are huge now.  One of
them took off the second summer, and the other only really took off this
summer.  I don't have any complaints. :)

G'luck!
John

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[MBZ] 300CD in Charleston $5k

[Rich Thomas]

I think I sent this along before, it is still for sale.   Perhaps a bit 
ambitious on price.


http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1373582830.html

*
1984 Mercedes-Benz 300 CD Coupe
*   
*
Looks great. Runs great. Recently serviced and inspected for any 
mechanical problems. Maintenance records available. Price is FIRM.

*   

*Price*

$5,800
*Mileage*

142,000
*Year*

1984
*Make*

Mercedes-Benz
*Model*

300 CD
*Body Style*

Coupe
*Transmission*

Automatic
*Drive*

*Engine*

5 cyl
*Exterior Color*

Gold
*Interior Color*

Tan
*VIN*

WDBAB53A5EA124930
*Location*

Mt Pleasant, SC

*Features/Options:*


-

Air conditioning


-

AM/FM stereo


-

Cassette player


-

Multi CD player


-

Cruise control


-

Power steering


-

Power windows


-

Power door locks


-

Leather seats


-

Sun roof


-

Moon roof


-

Alloy wheels






*Additional Info:*


A friend owned and loved this car since around 1999. She and the 
previous two owners took great care of it. It was always garage-kept -- 
up until this last year. Maintenance records were kept -- going back to 
the original owner. Have original manual and other print materials from 
original purchase. VERY low miles for a classic car. Exterior is in 
great shape. Interior is in average condition. The car has some minor 
issues with interior features: Some cracking in the interior leather and 
loose stitching (especially in the rear seat), power sunroof/moonroof 
does not open, power antenna does not work. There aren't many of these 
cars out there. Price is firm. Please call 843-532-3010 for more info or 
to set up a time to see the car.



*Contact Info:*


-

Andrea Rogers


-

use site email


-

843.532.3010



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Re: [MBZ] compost

[andrew strasfogel]

This is World's Best cat litter.  It composts very quickly with all the
aforementioned ingredients inside a black plastic compost bin under the hot
DC September sun.

Sounds almost poetic, doesn't it?



On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 12:53 AM,  wrote:

> > ...I compost shredded paper, coffee grounds, vegetal table scraps,
> > predigested
> > world's best kitty litter clumings, grass, and waxy magnolia leaves...
> >
> Litter? Stinky. I gift wrapped mine for the garbage man which is approved.
>
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[MBZ] OT CL photog of the day

[Rich Thomas]

http://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/1373672101.html

--R

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Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree

[andrew strasfogel]

The pretty fragrant flowers are edible, I think.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 2:42 PM, WILTON  wrote:

> Weed tree here.  Eastern NC.
>
> Wilton
>
> - Original Message - From: "John Robbins" 
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree
>
>
>
> Fmiser wrote:
>>
>>> I have enjoyed seeing friends mimosa trees, so I'm thinking of
>>> adding one or two to my yard.
>>>
>>
>> Beware that many people consider them weed trees since they grow so fast
>> and proliferate pretty quickly, which is probably why Rich said to not get
>> one.
>>
>> Are there hidden pains, secret tricks, problems etc. regarding
>>> having a mimosa tree?
>>>
>>
>>
>> Put them in the ground, fertilize them if you want, and watch them grow!
>>  When I bought my house in Jan of 2005 I wanted some shade in the backyard
>> as quickly as I could get it.  I planted two and they are huge now.  One of
>> them took off the second summer, and the other only really took off this
>> summer.  I don't have any complaints. :)
>>
>> G'luck!
>> John
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Parts exchange

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Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree

[WILTON]

Weed tree here.  Eastern NC.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "John Robbins" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree



Fmiser wrote:

I have enjoyed seeing friends mimosa trees, so I'm thinking of
adding one or two to my yard.


Beware that many people consider them weed trees since they grow so fast 
and proliferate pretty quickly, which is probably why Rich said to not 
get one.



Are there hidden pains, secret tricks, problems etc. regarding
having a mimosa tree?



Put them in the ground, fertilize them if you want, and watch them grow! 
 When I bought my house in Jan of 2005 I wanted some shade in the 
backyard as quickly as I could get it.  I planted two and they are huge 
now.  One of them took off the second summer, and the other only really 
took off this summer.  I don't have any complaints. :)


G'luck!
John

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Re: [MBZ] Rear door regulator (?) Stuck.

[Rich Thomas]

You generally unscrew the armrest, the latch handle bits (under a little 
plastic insert that will pry off), and the chrome thing at the latch, 
then pull the bottom and sides of the panel off (those little snap 
things are in there), then lift the panel straight up as there are tabs 
at the top that fit over the door/window structure, and maybe another 
tab or two in there somewhere.  Then the plastic peels off.  Window 
switches generally pop out or there might be a screw there somewhere, I 
can't remember.  Disconnect the connector.


I think it's called a check strap, I have not replaced one but have to 
some day.  You might need a couple extra joints in your arm to reach up 
in there.


Also a good time to lube up the window tracks and slides, clean it all 
well first.  I use white lithium grease but there is probably some magic 
Benz potion for them.


--R

Angelo Giaimo wrote:

Got to replace the that device that holds the door open.   (Don't know it's
official name, but I had one lying around from when it first started acting
up.).  So the door panel gotta come off.

Anyone have the proccedures to r/r the panel and the regulator they could
email me?  PDF files are fine.

Thanks,

Angelo Giaimo
michaelangel...@gmail.com
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

Do dash lights come on when the switch is in position 3?

According to the owner's manual, position 3 is standing limps, right.
Position 1 gives that plus license plate lamps and instrument panel lamps
(also on fuse #3).

If the rear lights are the only thing getting power from fuse #3 when the
switch is in position 3, that might narrow things down quite a bit.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:48 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310  wrote:

> OK, I think that you can forget all that I've said about the HCS
> (headlight cleaning system).
>
> Max
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 1:46 PM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?
>
> Fuse #3 pops when the headlight switch is in the first stop left (3)
> *or*right (1) of the off position (0). But that makes sense, since both
> impact the right tail light.
>
> But there is good news. Fog lights in the car have never worked. Noticed
> that fuse #4 was popped, replaced fuse, and fog lights now work.
>
> The other fuses all look really crappy. I think I will replace the 8-amp
> fuses, and use the old ones when troubleshooting this problem. That way
> it isn't a waste of a good fuse each time.
>
> On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
> SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310  wrote:
>
> > Don:  I doubt that; my test of the SW position that causes f3 to blow
> > will help narrow that down.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> DPAD.
>
> The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust
> and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers
> had their own ways.
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

OK, I think that you can forget all that I've said about the HCS
(headlight cleaning system).

Max
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

Fuse #3 pops when the headlight switch is in the first stop left (3)
*or*right (1) of the off position (0). But that makes sense, since both
impact the right tail light.

But there is good news. Fog lights in the car have never worked. Noticed
that fuse #4 was popped, replaced fuse, and fog lights now work.

The other fuses all look really crappy. I think I will replace the 8-amp
fuses, and use the old ones when troubleshooting this problem. That way
it isn't a waste of a good fuse each time.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310  wrote:

> Don:  I doubt that; my test of the SW position that causes f3 to blow 
> will help narrow that down.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

Fuse #3 pops when the headlight switch is in the first stop left (3)
*or*right (1) of the off position (0). But that makes sense, since
both impact
the right tail light.

But there is good news. Fog lights in the car have never worked. Noticed
that fuse #4 was popped, replaced fuse, and fog lights now work.

The other fuses all look really crappy. I think I will replace the 8-amp
fuses, and use the old ones when troubleshooting this problem. That way it
isn't a waste of a good fuse each time.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:29 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310  wrote:

> Don:  I doubt that; my test of the SW position that causes f3 to blow
> will help narrow that down.
>
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] Linux webserver botnet pushes malware

[Walt Zarnoch]

I didn't try to worm-out of it, I was just correcting the article's
mistake in saying that the webserver that was installed was mallware.
It was just the means of putting the malware on the net.

When I said they rooted the box, I was referring to gaining access to
the root account, analogous to the admin account on windows, which is
usually done through an escalation of privileges that is brought
around by a buffer overflow or some other vulnerability in a piece of
software that is running on the machine. My apologies for not
clarifying that in the original message.

It would be like someone doing the reboot to safe-mode admin account
workaround on XP home edition, creating a new administrator account,
logging into that account, and then enabling remote desktop and
sharing a folder on your computer that was filled with malware. In
that case, there was no root kit installed, no malware installed, and
yet there still was a security breach.

It's not technically a virus, or malware that got them in, it was a
clever exploitation of a vulnerability, that may or may not have been
there because of a lack of upkeep and maintenance.

I agree, every system is vulnerable in some way, some systems are just
more hardened than others, and Linux/Unix/Mac are currently more
secure, on average, than windows.(at least XP through 3.1, vista made
some small leaps with UAC, and I can't speak for windows 7)

But again, in the end, it comes down to the user/sysadmin keeping the
system up to date and patched.

For the record I am a Linux user, and therefore am slightly biased,
but I try to keep my opinions out of matters and deal with the facts.

I hope nothing I've said comes across as arrogant or leaves the wrong
impression.

On 9/14/09, Loren Faeth  wrote:
> My point exactly.  Every OS is vulnerable in some way.  (Many ways)
> You tried to worm out by saying the malware was "not a virus."  THen
> you went on to say they probably installed a rootkit.   It is
> malware, and malware is malware, whether some piece of it is "legit"
> or not.  Linux is vulnerable to malware.  Those who claim otherwise
> are fools.  Whether the malware is technically a "virus" or not is
> immaterial.
>
>
>
>
> At 04:49 AM 9/14/2009, you wrote:
>>The "infected" machines/vm's were probably behind on software updates.
>>Linux still has that fatal flaw called the user, if the user doesn't
>>update when a bug is found and patched, then the system stays
>>vulnerable.
>>
>>In all, what probably happened was a service on the servers was
>>vulnerable in some way, the attacker rooted the box, and then
>>installed nginx(which is not a virus, it's a legit web server) on a
>>non-standard port, and Bob's your uncle, you got a place to serve
>>whatever ya want.
>>
>>Just my 2 cents.
>>
>>On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Loren Faeth
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Uh, Wonko, what was that about no virus on linux.  We all know it is
>> > invincible because it is open source...
>> >
>> > RIGHT!  WHO IS THIS REALLY? (Noah)
>> >
>> >
>> > At 03:23 PM 9/12/2009, you wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Attack of the open source zombies
>> >> ...
>> >> A security researcher has discovered a cluster of infected Linux
>> >> servers
>> >> that have been corralled into a special ops botnet of sorts and used to
>> >> distribute malware to unwitting people browsing the web.
>> >> Each of the infected machines examined so far is a dedicated or virtual
>> >> dedicated server running a legitimate website, Denis Sinegubko, an
>> >> independent researcher based in Magnitogorsk, Russia, told The
>> Register. But
>> >> in addition to running an Apache webserver to dish up benign content,
>> >> they've also been hacked to run a second webserver known as nginx,
>> >> which
>> >> serves malware.
>> >>
>> >> "What we see here is a long awaited botnet of zombie web servers! A
>> >> group
>> >> of interconnected infected web servers with [a] common control center
>> >> involved in malware distribution," Sinegubko wrote here. "To make
>> >> things
>> >> more complex, this botnet of web servers is connected with the botnet
>> >> of
>> >> infected home computer(s)."
>> >> The finding highlights the continuing evolution of bot herders as they
>> >> look for new ways to issue commands to the hundreds of thousands
>> of infected
>> >> zombies under their control. It came the same day anti-virus provider
>> >> Symantec reported "Google Groups" was being used as a master
>> control channel
>> >> for a recently discovered trojan. Four weeks ago, a researcher from
>> >> Arbor
>> >> Networks made a similar discovery when he found several "Twitter"
>> >> profiles
>> >> being used to run a botnet.snip
>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/12/linux_zombies_push_malware/
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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

[Curt Raymond]

The remans on my 240D were around $80 each at Autozone and they came in the 
next day which was a Sunday so I could be on the road Monday morning...

One leaked, I got them to order another. I swapped the new one in and brought 
back the failed one and they credited me... I can't complain.

$5 difference, I'll buy the better item. $150 difference on a $400 car, I'll 
buy the cheap one.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:00:58 -0400
From: "Allan Streib" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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No that's not it at all.  In this case the choice of buying "new"
calipers at over $225 each, or remans for less than $100.  We're not
talking about a bag of Doritos that is 5 cents cheaper at Wal Mart, and
sorry but Mom and Pop was not a business model that could survive
selling commodities like that.

Yeah I miss the local "Imported Auto Parts" that we had in town 15 years
ago, that sold good quality parts for european cars, but AutoZone and
PepBoys put them out of business.  But ironically if I had a good local
store for my MB parts I would not be buying from you and Rusty.

We have a Wal-Mart in town, and any number of smaller locally owned
businesses and they are all coexisting.

Allan




  
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Re: [MBZ] It seems I am overrun by 190Ds

[Curt Raymond]

I'll give you $150 for the diff if it doesn't make noise...

I really like my 190D manny, in the spring I might be shopping for another...

-Curt

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 20:05:23 -0500
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Subject: [MBZ] It seems I am overrun by 190Ds
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Picked up another one today, this one is a 84 5 speed manny.  Drove it 
back home from the OKC area today, should have stopped by and saw OK Don 
but didnt have time.  Boy there is sure a difference between the manny 
and auto 190D.  For starters, going 75 on the highway results in I would 
say about 2800rpm engine speed, in the auto its probably 3300rpm or so. 
Im going to have to get rid of some of these things.

-- 
Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 
 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 
 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 
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Re: [MBZ] Chowdah fest report

[Curt Raymond]

Werkin on it. Have 'em tonight.

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 17:56:49 -0700
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On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 6:33 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr  wrote:
> In spite of a few showers, we had great gathering today. Being hardy New
> Englanders, the rain didn't bother us. We had homemade ?chowdah, Curt's butt
> kicking burgers with bacon, onions, peppers and mushrooms, etc. ? Had six
> nice cars and ?10 ?nice people. Pix to follow.

So where are the pitchers?  I want to see what all y'all look like.


  
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

I've been driving around for a couple of months with the instrument cluster
pulled out a bit (maybe 1/2" away from being fully seated) -- need to to
pull it completely out out and repair the odometer. It was such a pain to
remove when I installed new dash lights that I didn't push it back all the
way.

It is possible that the wire that supplies power to the dash lights got
forced into a more direct route (stretched) and insulation has worn off of
the wire due to vibration, causing a short. That will be the first thing I
check once I pull the cluster completely out.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> The round wiring connection for the instrument cluster is disconnected (and
>> the fuse still blows). Wouldn't power for the dash lights come through
>> that
>> connection?
>>
>
> Yes.  Your problem is elsewhere, probably one of the many
> marker lights.  Pull all four corners, and check the license
> plate lamp fixtures too.
>
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Jim Cathey]

The round wiring connection for the instrument cluster is disconnected 
(and
the fuse still blows). Wouldn't power for the dash lights come through 
that

connection?


Yes.  Your problem is elsewhere, probably one of the many
marker lights.  Pull all four corners, and check the license
plate lamp fixtures too.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Jim Cathey]

The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise.


Headlights?  Or parking lights?  I'm betting the latter,
and that your dash dimmer is at fault.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] It seems I am overrun by 190Ds

[Peter Hertzing]

Kaleb - Sill looking for a 190D.  Woudl be happy with an auto or manny.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:09 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> Fix up one that actually works, bring it to me, and drive your 300E home.
> Maybe. No promises. AC has to be really cold, though, and you need to pay
> me
> $500 for the top of the line tires on the 300E.
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  >wrote:
>
> > Picked up another one today, this one is a 84 5 speed manny.  Drove it
> back
> > home from the OKC area today, should have stopped by and saw OK Don but
> > didnt have time.  Boy there is sure a difference between the manny and
> auto
> > 190D.  For starters, going 75 on the highway results in I would say about
> > 2800rpm engine speed, in the auto its probably 3300rpm or so. Im going to
> > have to get rid of some of these things.
> >
> > --
> > Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
> > 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89
> 560SEL,
> > 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81
> > 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com
> >
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[MBZ] Rear door regulator (?) Stuck.

[Angelo Giaimo]

Got to replace the that device that holds the door open.   (Don't know it's
official name, but I had one lying around from when it first started acting
up.).  So the door panel gotta come off.

Anyone have the proccedures to r/r the panel and the regulator they could
email me?  PDF files are fine.

Thanks,

Angelo Giaimo
michaelangel...@gmail.com
1990 350SDL 276K miles.and still ticking.
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

I will check this over lunch and report back.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310  wrote:

> So the new question is does the fuse blow at first position of the
> headlight switch or second?
>
> Max
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

The round wiring connection for the instrument cluster is disconnected (and
the fuse still blows). Wouldn't power for the dash lights come through that
connection? I am going to be bring my W124 maintenance CDs back with me
after lunch and try to find the wiring diagram.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 9:57 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise.
>>
>
> Headlights?  Or parking lights?  I'm betting the latter,
> and that your dash dimmer is at fault.
>
>
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

So the new question is does the fuse blow at first position of the
headlight switch or second?

Max 

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> The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise.

Headlights?  Or parking lights?  I'm betting the latter, and that your
dash dimmer is at fault.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Don:  I doubt that; my test of the SW position that causes f3 to blow
will help narrow that down.

Jim:  Why do you suspect light fixtures above unplugged HCS wiring?  I
don't know of any light fixture failures resulting in a short to ground,
but a loose connector floating around the front of the car with a hot
pin inside could result in such a short, it seems to me.

New thought:  If f3 blows in position 1 of the headlight SW, is it
possible that failed wiring at the trunk hinge flex point could make
that short?  Do tail light wires go that way in a sedan?  I think not,
but I'm throwing that out there for you.

Max

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 12:08 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

I've been driving around for a couple of months with the instrument
cluster pulled out a bit (maybe 1/2" away from being fully seated) --
need to to pull it completely out out and repair the odometer. It was
such a pain to remove when I installed new dash lights that I didn't
push it back all the way.

It is possible that the wire that supplies power to the dash lights got
forced into a more direct route (stretched) and insulation has worn off
of the wire due to vibration, causing a short. That will be the first
thing I check once I pull the cluster completely out.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 10:19 AM, Jim Cathey 
wrote:

> The round wiring connection for the instrument cluster is disconnected

> (and
>> the fuse still blows). Wouldn't power for the dash lights come 
>> through that connection?
>>
>
> Yes.  Your problem is elsewhere, probably one of the many
> marker lights.  Pull all four corners, and check the license
> plate lamp fixtures too.
>
>
> -- Jim
>
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Wonko the Sane]

The fuse blows when the headlights are turned on, but not otherwise.

On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

>
> In addition, you never answered my other question:
>
> So the fuse blows when you turn on the headlights, but not otherwise?
>
>


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Re: [MBZ] brake job nightmare

[Allan Streib]

No that's not it at all.  In this case the choice of buying "new"
calipers at over $225 each, or remans for less than $100.  We're not
talking about a bag of Doritos that is 5 cents cheaper at Wal Mart, and
sorry but Mom and Pop was not a business model that could survive
selling commodities like that.

Yeah I miss the local "Imported Auto Parts" that we had in town 15 years
ago, that sold good quality parts for european cars, but AutoZone and
PepBoys put them out of business.  But ironically if I had a good local
store for my MB parts I would not be buying from you and Rusty.

We have a Wal-Mart in town, and any number of smaller locally owned
businesses and they are all coexisting.

Allan


On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 13:08 -0400, "Gary Hurst"  wrote:
> the problem is that mom & pop are not being abandoned for 5x but for 5
> cents.  and you aren't even getting the nickel for the most part, but
> just getting confused on the bait and switch
>
> and the issue is much bigger than money.  it is more about destroying
> a fine way of life for a really crappy one.  some people care more
> about the kind of world they live in than they do about the illusion
> of having another nickel.  alas, most people don't.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Peter T. Arnold
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>
> > Theres a limit.
> >
> > 15 years ago I needed a starter for my kids POS Ford Escort.  $150
> > Rebuilt from local parts store, owed by a friend.  Same friend had
> > wanted to retire and sell me the store.  I read the writing on the
> > wall, had no interest.
> >
> > I pulled starter, it was cooked.
> >
> > Local MotorMart sold me one for $29.
> >
> > My friend told me it was POS starter, maybe but it was warenteed
> > "for Life" which ended up being about 2 years.
> >
> > I cannot pay a X5 factor to support the little guy.
> >
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> >>
> >>> the consumer is now doing the exact same thing he did to destroy
> >>> downtown america to destroy the downtown small town component that
> >>> really made the internet so charming in earlier days.
> >>>
> >>
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> >> deal, not bottom up.  The solution is to shop local, meaning
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> >> for used stuff.
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Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree

[John Robbins]

harry watkins wrote:
They are great trees and I love them, however, we had a problem with 
them. I think it was the mid eighties when a disease hit in the area and 
wiped them out.  I don't think I could find one even though its been 
about thirty years.


I've got two in my backyard, and I think I live within an hour or two of 
you! They are all over the place in Starkville, I regularly have wild 
ones pop up in the yard.


PS: We should meet up sometime! :)

John

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Re: [MBZ] OT mimosa tree

[John Robbins]

Fmiser wrote:

I have enjoyed seeing friends mimosa trees, so I'm thinking of
adding one or two to my yard.


Beware that many people consider them weed trees since they grow so fast 
and proliferate pretty quickly, which is probably why Rich said to not 
get one.



Are there hidden pains, secret tricks, problems etc. regarding
having a mimosa tree?



Put them in the ground, fertilize them if you want, and watch them grow! 
 When I bought my house in Jan of 2005 I wanted some shade in the 
backyard as quickly as I could get it.  I planted two and they are huge 
now.  One of them took off the second summer, and the other only really 
took off this summer.  I don't have any complaints. :)


G'luck!
John

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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Someone else has already solved this problem:  Webasto makes nice
heaters powered by fuel not electricity.

http://www.webasto.us/am/en/am_auto_heaters.html

Max 

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2009 9:26 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

> Didn't Curt or somebody figure a way to add a second battery, located 
> in trunk, to power the block heater via an inverter, which provided 
> about 30 minutes of juice which was enough to warm the engine so that 
> the original battery could then start the car?  I like that solution 
> better.

The usual MB block heater is about 400W, and an hour will make a marked
difference.  That's .4 kwH, or 3.3 AH at 120 V.  At 12 V, the same power
would be 33 AH at 100% efficiency (unlikely), which is well within the
reach of the usual 75-100 AH deep-cycle battery.
(The lower you discharge it the more lifespan you take from it.) Put the
inverter where its waste heat will do some good, such as near the
starting battery?

The real problem is putting _back_ that energy in a driving cycle, You
were sucking out 35A or more for an hour, you'll only be putting back at
maybe 10A or so, so a four-hour drive might do it.  A bit iffy for most
commutes, to say the least.  (Plus you've got to be recharging the main
battery too, and run headlights and fan motors if this is a typical
winter drive.  Might need to beef up the alternator system.)

So if you've got to get tethered to the wall at some point in the cycle
why not do away with all the intermediates and plug in directly?
You can even try for elaborateness, such as my semi-successful attempts
with the Frankenheap.

Curt's problem was a lack of an outlet where he had to put the car.  The
auxiliary battery was carried inside nightly for recharging.  Most of us
would get rather tired of that!
He did, enough to buy a house!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Linux webserver botnet pushes malware

[Loren Faeth]

My point exactly.  Every OS is vulnerable in some way.  (Many ways) 
You tried to worm out by saying the malware was "not a virus."  THen 
you went on to say they probably installed a rootkit.   It is 
malware, and malware is malware, whether some piece of it is "legit" 
or not.  Linux is vulnerable to malware.  Those who claim otherwise 
are fools.  Whether the malware is technically a "virus" or not is immaterial.





At 04:49 AM 9/14/2009, you wrote:

The "infected" machines/vm's were probably behind on software updates.
Linux still has that fatal flaw called the user, if the user doesn't
update when a bug is found and patched, then the system stays
vulnerable.

In all, what probably happened was a service on the servers was
vulnerable in some way, the attacker rooted the box, and then
installed nginx(which is not a virus, it's a legit web server) on a
non-standard port, and Bob's your uncle, you got a place to serve
whatever ya want.

Just my 2 cents.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Loren Faeth 
 wrote:

>
>
>
>
>
> Uh, Wonko, what was that about no virus on linux.  We all know it is
> invincible because it is open source...
>
> RIGHT!  WHO IS THIS REALLY? (Noah)
>
>
> At 03:23 PM 9/12/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Attack of the open source zombies
>> ...
>> A security researcher has discovered a cluster of infected Linux servers
>> that have been corralled into a special ops botnet of sorts and used to
>> distribute malware to unwitting people browsing the web.
>> Each of the infected machines examined so far is a dedicated or virtual
>> dedicated server running a legitimate website, Denis Sinegubko, an
>> independent researcher based in Magnitogorsk, Russia, told The 
Register. But

>> in addition to running an Apache webserver to dish up benign content,
>> they've also been hacked to run a second webserver known as nginx, which
>> serves malware.
>>
>> "What we see here is a long awaited botnet of zombie web servers! A group
>> of interconnected infected web servers with [a] common control center
>> involved in malware distribution," Sinegubko wrote here. "To make things
>> more complex, this botnet of web servers is connected with the botnet of
>> infected home computer(s)."
>> The finding highlights the continuing evolution of bot herders as they
>> look for new ways to issue commands to the hundreds of thousands 
of infected

>> zombies under their control. It came the same day anti-virus provider
>> Symantec reported "Google Groups" was being used as a master 
control channel

>> for a recently discovered trojan. Four weeks ago, a researcher from Arbor
>> Networks made a similar discovery when he found several "Twitter" profiles
>> being used to run a botnet.snip
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/12/linux_zombies_push_malware/
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Jim Cathey]

Didn't Curt or somebody figure a way to add a second battery, located 
in

trunk, to power the block heater via an inverter, which provided about
30 minutes of juice which was enough to warm the engine so that the
original battery could then start the car?  I like that solution 
better.


The usual MB block heater is about 400W, and an hour will make a
marked difference.  That's .4 kwH, or 3.3 AH at 120 V.  At 12 V, the
same power would be 33 AH at 100% efficiency (unlikely), which is
well within the reach of the usual 75-100 AH deep-cycle battery.
(The lower you discharge it the more lifespan you take from it.)
Put the inverter where its waste heat will do some good, such as
near the starting battery?

The real problem is putting _back_ that energy in a driving cycle,
You were sucking out 35A or more for an hour, you'll only be putting
back at maybe 10A or so, so a four-hour drive might do it.  A bit
iffy for most commutes, to say the least.  (Plus you've got to be
recharging the main battery too, and run headlights and fan motors
if this is a typical winter drive.  Might need to beef up the
alternator system.)

So if you've got to get tethered to the wall at some point in the
cycle why not do away with all the intermediates and plug in directly?
You can even try for elaborateness, such as my semi-successful
attempts with the Frankenheap.

Curt's problem was a lack of an outlet where he had to put
the car.  The auxiliary battery was carried inside nightly
for recharging.  Most of us would get rather tired of that!
He did, enough to buy a house!

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 mercedes wagon - $900 (fremont, nh)

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

OK, I will bite, why would you sell it this week but not last week?

Loren Faeth wrote:
I will sell mine for $900 this week.  Would not have sold it for $900 
last week.  In fleabay parlance: needs some buffing



At 09:48 PM 9/11/2009, you wrote:


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Re: [MBZ] OT: Accidental bomber takeoff at airshow

[Mitch Haley]

archer wrote:


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6826566.ece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3HaeYVlBw8&feature=PlayList&p=AFC8E6776248A731&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=28 


So when did Dave Walton become the manager of that airfield?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] 2001 AWD E Class wagon - WAS - *OK, experts, what do I try next?*

[LarryT]

Thanks Craig, I had intended to change the subject but as usual, I forgot. 
;-^


That was exactly what I needed to know about AWD -- 


Thx agn -
LarryT
91 300D

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From: "Craig McCluskey" 
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:19 PM
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?


On Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:22:26 -0400 "LarryT"  wrote:


How reliable are the AWD 2001 300E wagons?  Especially the AWD system.
Never really wanted one  but this one is $10K w/89K mi - seems
reasonable  altho I;m not in the market right now.  Do the AWD systems
require a lot of
maintenence?http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/1365741780.html

http://richmond.craigslist.org/ctd/1365741780.html
in case anyone is interested.  photos make it look nice -


You know, you might get more visibility if you started a NEW thread with a
new subject when you want to ask a question about a totally different
subject.

That said, if you don't need the complications of all the extra hardware
of an AWD system, you'd probably best stay away from it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Jim Cathey]

My money is on the resistance element of the dash
dimmer switch having gotten loose from its porcelain
cup and laying against the metal frame.  BTDT.  How's
that dash dimmer _feel_?

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

Why do you need a battery warmer?  Is it not an option to plug in the
block heater?  Mobil 1, valve adjustment, fully functioning glow system
aren't going to cut it?

Didn't Curt or somebody figure a way to add a second battery, located in
trunk, to power the block heater via an inverter, which provided about
30 minutes of juice which was enough to warm the engine so that the
original battery could then start the car?  I like that solution better.
I think that marine stores carry a nice pre-made switch so you can
isolate the 'house' battery (then used to power the block heater) but
once the car is started add it back to the car's charging circuit to
charge it up for the next night.  Add a timer to the system to turn on
the block heater and you won't even have to worry about going out to
turn on the heater in the a.m. - the car will be nicely warmed up and
waiting for you to start it.

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC



-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:10 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

Cold will be approaching soon.
I cannot imagine a battery tray warmer should be only made in china, but
I cannot fathom where I might find a USA made one.  Also, this cannot be
a huge design problem - can it?  Maybe someone here has the intuition
and design ideas to make one, here in USA? or give ideas how to make
one?
thanks
mao

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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

F3 provides power to the HCS (headlight cleaning system) at pin 2 of K2
(relay located in the relay tray near the fuse box, see attached pdf)
AND it provides hot power to the HCS washer motors, so IF these are
disconnected there is the potential for a hot short (i.e. water getting
into the connector providing a path to ground, or loose wiring getting
pinched or rubbed until a short occurs).  So I'd start by measuring
resistance to ground at pint 2 of the K2 socket; that will tell you if
the HCS is causing your f3 to blow.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:32 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

My '86 300E is blowing the #3 fuse.

According to the fuse panel lid, #3 is in charge of parking / tail light
right, headlamp cleaning unit, illumination: license plate, instrument,
control elements [not sure that last one means].

I have tried the following -- always resulting in a blown fuse when I
turn the headlights.

- unplug right rear bulb cluster
- remove both license plate bulbs
- unplug instrument cluster

Each time, the fuse still blows.

I can't find any way to unplug the headlight wipers, other than to cut
what I think are the wires (NOT going to go there, even though the
wipers don't work).

Any suggestions? I have awakened about 3 AM several times over the past
few weeks trying to troubleshoot this. I am (was) an electronics
technician, so I should be able to track down a short -- but can't seem
to. I am pretty close to disconnecting ground from the battery and using
an ohmmeter to see if something that should be "hot" is actually ground,
but I suspect unexpected ground would feed back through the entire
wiring harness.

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DPAD.

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and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers
had their own ways.
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Re: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

It sounds to me like a hot wire is shorted to ground somewhere.  Any
recent work done?  Look there for a pinched wire.  I think that
Illumination: ...control elements is for other driver control lighting
like the ACC panel, shifter light, lights in the dash for the vents,
etc. etc.

First check I'd recommend is measuring resistance to ground with fuse #3
removed at the "feed" side of the fuse terminal (as opposed to the hot
side that is connected to the battery).  If you get zero ohms with the
headlights turned on, then you know you have a hot short.  Work
downstream from there with your ohm meter.

As already discussed the headlamp cleaning units are probably not the
cause because you also need the signal from the window washer circuit
ala the combination switch in the stock; really need the schematic to
see where that hot signal goes prior to reaching the stock or the
headlamp cleaning units.  I happen to have that schematic on my HD, let
me take a look...

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC

 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 8:32 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] OK, experts, what do I try next?

My '86 300E is blowing the #3 fuse.

According to the fuse panel lid, #3 is in charge of parking / tail light
right, headlamp cleaning unit, illumination: license plate, instrument,
control elements [not sure that last one means].

I have tried the following -- always resulting in a blown fuse when I
turn the headlights.

- unplug right rear bulb cluster
- remove both license plate bulbs
- unplug instrument cluster

Each time, the fuse still blows.

I can't find any way to unplug the headlight wipers, other than to cut
what I think are the wires (NOT going to go there, even though the
wipers don't work).

Any suggestions? I have awakened about 3 AM several times over the past
few weeks trying to troubleshoot this. I am (was) an electronics
technician, so I should be able to track down a short -- but can't seem
to. I am pretty close to disconnecting ground from the battery and using
an ohmmeter to see if something that should be "hot" is actually ground,
but I suspect unexpected ground would feed back through the entire
wiring harness.

--
DPAD.

The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust
and confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers
had their own ways.
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Re: [MBZ] Battery Warmer

[pm7088]

If your going to be saved to 110v, why not use a trickle charger? That along 
with synthetic oil should start any proper diesel down to -10°. 


-- 

Peter Arnold 

Windsor, CT 

- Original Message - 
From: "Mountain Man"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 9:09:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern 
Subject: [MBZ] Battery Warmer 

Cold will be approaching soon. 
I cannot imagine a battery tray warmer should be only made in china, 
but I cannot fathom where I might find a USA made one. Also, this 
cannot be a huge design problem - can it? Maybe someone here has the 
intuition and design ideas to make one, here in USA? or give ideas how 
to make one? 
thanks 
mao 

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Re: [MBZ] 240D sticky throttle

[Dwight E. Giles, Jr]

Thanks. I am going to check mine as it does buck under certain deceleration
conditions.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI
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On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 11:54 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D sticky throttle

> I think it comes with stick shift cars to prevent surging.

They're all supposed to have them.  (The mannys.)
They tend to buck without them.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Linux webserver botnet pushes malware

[Walt Zarnoch]

The "infected" machines/vm's were probably behind on software updates.
Linux still has that fatal flaw called the user, if the user doesn't
update when a bug is found and patched, then the system stays
vulnerable.

In all, what probably happened was a service on the servers was
vulnerable in some way, the attacker rooted the box, and then
installed nginx(which is not a virus, it's a legit web server) on a
non-standard port, and Bob's your uncle, you got a place to serve
whatever ya want.

Just my 2 cents.

On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Loren Faeth  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Uh, Wonko, what was that about no virus on linux.  We all know it is
> invincible because it is open source...
>
> RIGHT!  WHO IS THIS REALLY? (Noah)
>
>
> At 03:23 PM 9/12/2009, you wrote:
>>
>> Attack of the open source zombies
>> ...
>> A security researcher has discovered a cluster of infected Linux servers
>> that have been corralled into a special ops botnet of sorts and used to
>> distribute malware to unwitting people browsing the web.
>> Each of the infected machines examined so far is a dedicated or virtual
>> dedicated server running a legitimate website, Denis Sinegubko, an
>> independent researcher based in Magnitogorsk, Russia, told The Register. But
>> in addition to running an Apache webserver to dish up benign content,
>> they've also been hacked to run a second webserver known as nginx, which
>> serves malware.
>>
>> "What we see here is a long awaited botnet of zombie web servers! A group
>> of interconnected infected web servers with [a] common control center
>> involved in malware distribution," Sinegubko wrote here. "To make things
>> more complex, this botnet of web servers is connected with the botnet of
>> infected home computer(s)."
>> The finding highlights the continuing evolution of bot herders as they
>> look for new ways to issue commands to the hundreds of thousands of infected
>> zombies under their control. It came the same day anti-virus provider
>> Symantec reported "Google Groups" was being used as a master control channel
>> for a recently discovered trojan. Four weeks ago, a researcher from Arbor
>> Networks made a similar discovery when he found several "Twitter" profiles
>> being used to run a botnet.snip
>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/12/linux_zombies_push_malware/
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