Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Kevin]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 09:23:38PM -0500, OK Don wrote:
> > The other possibility is a dead tappet so a valve isn't opening properly.
> >  Makes the engine run funny.
> 
> Now, that could be - perhaps it has enough pressure to keep it from
> rattling, but not enough to properly open the valve?

No. This would manifest itself obviously on the camshaft, since this isn't
a roller cam, and the tappet must spin on the cam.

And in VERY short order.

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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[dave walton]

I use Hydroedge in the summer and Blizzak's in the winter. Neither is
speed rated for the cars I put them on, but they drive fine.

-Dave Walton

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> I had a tire going flat slowly, pulled it off to take it to the tire shop,
> looks old and cracked and like the tread is starting to separate at the
> edge.  I thought I saw a nail but digging at it a bit it looks like a steel
> belt, YOW.  Costco has a Michelin X in 195 70 R14 for $316 for a set, which
> seems like a good deal, and a $70 rebate (not sure if that price is the
> before or after rebate).
>
> Are these decent tires?  There are some sort of Michelins on there now.
>
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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Michael Esh]

I have heard that Harmony's are available only at Tire Rack.
Mike
On Oct 19, 2009, at 10:47 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote:

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:42:25 -0500 Donald Snook   
wrote:



Mitch wrote: "Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well liked all season
tires:"

I like the Harmony. Wears like iron, looks nice, and has very good
traction in wet weather.


Tire Rack has a survey of All-Season Tires at

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

Their test summary of the Harmony (at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Harmony
) says,

  A smooth riding tire that does not have the wet traction
  to keep up with the best in class


Their test summary of the HydroEdge (at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=HydroEdge
) says,

  A tire that delivers good road handling and wet and dry traction


I wonder how they would rate the Nokian tires (which they don't  
carry).

I've had them on our '82 240D/3.0 and our '89 Chevy Beauville Van for
about three years now and they have performed well.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:47:01 -0600 Craig McCluskey
 wrote:

> Tire Rack has a survey of All-Season Tires at
> 
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS


They also have a survey of Winter Tires at

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=W&VT=C


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 16:42:25 -0500 Donald Snook  wrote:

> Mitch wrote: "Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well liked all season
> tires:"
> 
> I like the Harmony. Wears like iron, looks nice, and has very good
> traction in wet weather.

Tire Rack has a survey of All-Season Tires at

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

Their test summary of the Harmony (at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=Harmony
) says,

   A smooth riding tire that does not have the wet traction
   to keep up with the best in class


Their test summary of the HydroEdge (at
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Michelin&tireModel=HydroEdge
) says,

   A tire that delivers good road handling and wet and dry traction


I wonder how they would rate the Nokian tires (which they don't carry).
I've had them on our '82 240D/3.0 and our '89 Chevy Beauville Van for
about three years now and they have performed well.



Craig

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Re: [MBZ] John's CDI [was Re: 190Ds]

[Craig McCluskey]

On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 13:24:08 -0500 John Robbins  wrote:

> Craig McCluskey wrote:
> > How many miles did it have when you bought it? How long ago was that?
> 
> 
> Bought it with 67k in April of 2008. :-)

So that's about 33k in 18 months. Hmmm ... car does love to be driven,
doesn't it.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[OK Don]

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:11 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> White is unburned fuel, so it's not igniting for some reason.
>
> Just because an injector is new doesn't mean it's working right -- I've had
> to take one apart to get the crud out that was making it leak, for instance,
> and it's always possible something got in the pipes.
>

True - however it ran the same with the original injectors as it does with
the new ones - seems unlikely that the new set had the same issue that the
old one did, though stranger things has happened.


>
> If it knocks at low rpm without smoke, and runs fine above about 1500, it's
> likely a leaking seal ring on the pressure valve holder.  They don't always
> seal properly even when installed right, it seems.
>

Where is this pressure valve holder? I'm guessing that it's not the same as
the delivery valve, whose seals we replace?


>
> The other possibility is a dead tappet so a valve isn't opening properly.
>  Makes the engine run funny.
>

Now, that could be - perhaps it has enough pressure to keep it from
rattling, but not enough to properly open the valve?


>
> Peter
>
>
 --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
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>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Peter Frederick]

White is unburned fuel, so it's not igniting for some reason.

Just because an injector is new doesn't mean it's working right --  
I've had to take one apart to get the crud out that was making it  
leak, for instance, and it's always possible something got in the pipes.


If it knocks at low rpm without smoke, and runs fine above about  
1500, it's likely a leaking seal ring on the pressure valve holder.   
They don't always seal properly even when installed right, it seems.


The other possibility is a dead tappet so a valve isn't opening  
properly.  Makes the engine run funny.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to

[OK Don]

I'll ask him (my son) though I suspect he's planning on getting both cars up
to shape - you'd have to buy the whole car to get the diff. I suspect that
if you made the trip to Kaleb's, you could find one in his collection within
3 or 4 days 

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Oh, just occured to me, what engine in those? If there 2.2l would you
> consider selling a diff?
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> OK Don
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> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
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>
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Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to

[OK Don]

You missed the subject line on Kaleb's email - my SON has two 190Ds -- I
have two 300D 2.5Turbos - and I'm keeping them. However, Kaleb will soon
have another great #00D 2.5T --- get in line ---

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> Kaleb wrote: "In return they conned my out of a couple of pristine 190D's.
>  I dont know what the hell I was thinking.  I would
> made more money of the 190's sold separately I am sure."
>
> So, OK Don now has TWO 190D's?   I wonder if OK Don wants to return the
> 300D 2.5T that he bought from me.  I would love to have that car back! I
> would have to talk my wife out of her Expedition, so she could drive the
> 300D because I am really enjoying driving the BMW, but that 90 300D was a
> GREAT car.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
>
> --
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> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
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>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[OK Don]

>From the recent discussion of delivery valve seals, which we did replace,
I'm wondering if it could be those springs - we replaced the o-ring and the
copper seal, but not the springs ---

The smoke is almost white.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Kevin  wrote:

> The color of the smoke would be a giveaway, but if you trust the long block
> to not be the problem, swap the #1 injector with a different injector and
> see if the problem changes cylinders after a while. If not, it's in the IP
> somewhere.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
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>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[OK Don]

All the glow plugs were new when the head went back on -- and all tested
good.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 7:51 AM, Donald Snook  wrote:

> Kaleb wrote: "IIRC, when Don was doing this, seems like he said the
> compression was OK but I dont remember.  He also said
> he did not note anything obvious in the bores of the bottom end with the
> head off.  So, head back on.  It seems to be much better but today I
> messed with it a little.  When you first start it cold, it seems like #1
> is not firing at all at idle.  When you get it off idle, it smooths
> out.  There is a little smoke associated with this.  If you let it sit
> there and idle for a while it will gradually start hitting on #1.  If
> you take it out and blow it out, you get crap blown out the back for a
> minute or 2, then once its fully warmed up, it will sit there and idle
> smooth as can be for as long as you want."
>
> I know this seems obvious and probably too simple to be the cause, but have
> checked all of the glow plugs to make sure they are in range?  My old 123
> had a similar problem and it was a glow plug that was out of range and
> caused all sorts of problems.
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[OK Don]

All the injectors are new from Rusty ---

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 12:19 AM, Kevin  wrote:

> The color of the smoke would be a giveaway, but if you trust the long block
> to not be the problem, swap the #1 injector with a different injector and
> see if the problem changes cylinders after a while. If not, it's in the IP
> somewhere.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
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>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[OK Don]

Yes.

On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Peter Frederick wrote:

> Anybody done pressure valve seals on that IP?
>
> Peter
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to own

[OK Don]

My son did - he's started on the "sorting it out" path now ---

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 6:28 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,
53310  wrote:

> OK Don, did you get the gold 5 spd?  I was really tempted, but couldn't
> make the distances/times involved work out.
>
> Max
>
>
> --
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Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?

[Mitch Haley]

Robert Massmann wrote:

Does anyone know what is in a 87 190 2.5 turbo which I will be parting out.



Diff? 2.65:1
It would make 5th gear useless on Curt's car. I think it's a 2.2.
And first gear from a standing start might not be too much fun either.
I have heard of a 2.5t that was converted to five speed with the 2.65 diff, it's 
slow from a standing start, but tolerable.


You wanna sell the IP and injectors from that thing, or are you going to keep 
the engine intact?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts

[Robert Massmann]

Thanks Rusty,

I always liked the personal phone order over the web orders anyway.

Bob Massmann
Oregonia ohio
- Original Message - 
From: "Rusty Cullens" 
To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ; "Banned List" 


Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 5:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] BuyMBparts


Listers, there have been some changes at BuyMBParts and I feel like 
everyone on the lists should know about them. Gary Hurst and I are no 
longer business partners. This actually happened back last January, but we 
tried to not upset the applecart and we made the change semi transparent. 
Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to 
end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email 
address and removing me and my IM form the web site. This note is just to 
let everyone know that I have no affiliation with the web and can not help 
you with any issues if you place web orders. However, if you call us to 
place orders we still will have the same or better pricing, plus access to 
ALL Mercedes parts, not just web items and we can take care of any issues 
that arise. Thank you all for your patronage on web and phone orders and I 
look forward to hearing from you soon.


Rusty Cullens
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Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?

[Robert Massmann]

Does anyone know what is in a 87 190 2.5 turbo which I will be parting out.

Bob Massmann
Oregonia Ohio

- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 

To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:53 PM
Subject: [MBZ] More MB boards?



Hey gang,

I'm still searching (high and low) for a replacement diff for my '85 190D 
2.2l. Cama says almost nobody rebuilds them since the tools are spendy and 
the replacement I put in hasn't worked out (its lounder than the one it 
replaced). The only options remaining on car-part.com are very expensive 
(one was $450).


So I put a post on Peachparts and a guy has one for a good price but its 
3.23 ratio as opposed to the 3.42 thats in it... I'm worried about getting 
into a Jim Cathey situation where I lose all my low end. The Peachparts 
crowd is all about taller gears for better fuel economy but I'm not sure I 
believe thats gonna happen...


So, does anybody else know of free boards (like Peachparts or here) where 
I can post looking for a new diff? Alternately if anybody spots one in a 
boneyard pick it up and I'll reward you for your time.


-Curt




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Re: [MBZ] 2.7

[RELNGSON]

> ..Not one of their better efforts
> 
Quite infamous, azzamatterafact..

RLE


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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Gasoline Prices]

[Mitch Haley]

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 Conventional Areas  2.763  2.749  2.721  2.681  2.634   2.592  2.585  2.697
 RFG Areas   2.707  2.694  2.669  2.637  2.572   2.526  2.507  2.588

PADD 1c - Lower Atlantic
 Average 2.599  2.571  2.520  2.485  2.445   2.410  2.434  2.564
 Conventional Areas  2.600  2.574  2.521  2.486  2.447   2.413  2.436  2.567
 RFG Areas   2.582  2.543  2.514  2.471  2.423   2.381  2.418  2.526

PADD 2 - Midwest
 Average 2.555  2.497  2.498  2.480  2.410   2.393  2.474  2.574
 Conventional Areas  2.543  2.486  2.485  2.469  2.401   2.384  2.464  2.562
 RFG Areas   2.634  2.567  2.584  2.551  2.467   2.450  2.533  2.651

PADD 3 - Gulf Coast
 Average 2.517  2.462  2.437  2.413  2.366   2.344  2.373  2.494
 Conventional Areas  2.522  2.475  2.451  2.429  2.380   2.357  2.382  2.505
 RFG Areas   2.498  2.419  2.392  2.363  2.322   2.301  2.345  2.458

PADD 4 - Rocky Mountain
 Conventional Areas  2.663  2.645  2.636  2.620  2.598   2.553  2.532  2.565

PADD 5 - West Coast
 Average 3.008  3.054  3.094  3.082  3.036   2.997  2.947  2.924
 Conventional Areas  2.905  2.929  2.951  2.943  2.896   2.841  2.793  2.772
 RFG Areas   3.050  3.104  3.152  3.138  3.093   3.060  3.010  2.986

PADD 5b - West Coast less CA
 Average 2.868  2.883  2.899  2.887  2.834   2.778  2.733  2.716
 Conventional Areas  2.905  2.929  2.951  2.943  2.896   2.841  2.793  2.772
 RFG Areas   2.693  2.665  2.653  2.621  2.541   2.478  2.446  2.449

California
 RFG Areas   3.083  3.146  3.199  3.186  3.145   3.115  3.062  3.036

Colorado
 Conventional Areas  2.556  2.525  2.503  2.475  2.445   2.405  2.398  2.485

Florida
 Conventional Areas  2.639  2.596  2.556

Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Rich Thomas]

That looks like what is happening to the X ones on there now.  One has 
been losing air slowly, thought it was a nail, took it off and close 
inspection shows the belt on both edges starting to separate.  Maybe 
3/16" - 1/4" tread left, but they are dried and cracked too, so probably 
fairly old.


--R

Allan Streib wrote:

I had Michelin X-1 tires on my 300D a few years ok.  they were ok at
first but the belts separated before the tread wore out.

Allan

Mitch Haley  writes:

  

I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be
well liked all season tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would
hope there would be some advances in tread design since then)
http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/

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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Peter Frederick]

Try the MVX4+ -- i really like them when I had them on the old 300D.   
My tire shop doesn't carry Michelins, but I may go back next tire  
change anyway.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Squeak from '87 300TD rear suspension

[Peter Frederick]

Bad thrust links.

Peter

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ranger brakes

[R A Bennell]

You just never know about mileage on vehicles. For example, my mother has a 
late model Honda Civic, bought new a
year ago in May. Now has a whopping 3,200 miles on it and they would be almost 
all highway miles. She keeps it at
the lake and drives it in the summer only. It is now in the garage out there 
until next May. The cottage is about
45 miles from the nearest significant sized town and she goes into town every 
couple of weeks to do laundry etc.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Curt Raymond
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 3:16 PM
To: Diesel List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ranger brakes


Actually when I bought it in December it had 25,000 miles so we've put on 
almost half as many miles in 1 year as
the PO put on in 5...

I'd figured the Wagner ceramics are fine but for $16...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:35:23 -0500
From: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ranger brakes
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Curt
wrote: "So its time to put brakes on my '03 Ford Ranger. I'm 100% sure
this truck was mostly driven in town (before I got it I mean)
considering it needs brakes at 32,000 miles."

You have a 6 year
old Ranger with only 32,000 miles?  I bet it does need front brakes -
that's got to be ALL in town trips.  I think the Wagner pads are fine
they actually put out a lot less brake dust than the factory. 
Apparently, you never drive this truck, so its not like you need super
high performance pads.


Donald H. Snook




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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Donald Snook]

Mitch wrote: "Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well liked all season tires:"

I like the Harmony. Wears like iron, looks nice, and has very good traction in 
wet weather.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] To be avoided

[E M]

Not one of their better efforts.

Ed
300E

2009/10/18 

> > ...I didn't read the original ad, but providing the tin worm has been
> > kept at
> > bay, and the car given reasonable car, amazing just how many miles you
> can
> > rack up on some 911 engines. SCs, and 3.2s will go a very long way...
> >
> This one was a 2.7.
>
> RLE
>
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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Allan Streib]

I had Michelin X-1 tires on my 300D a few years ok.  they were ok at
first but the belts separated before the tread wore out.

Allan

Mitch Haley  writes:

> I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
> much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
> don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
> Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be
> well liked all season tires:
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS
>
> The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would
> hope there would be some advances in tread design since then)
> http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/
>
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Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to

[Curt Raymond]

Oh, just occured to me, what engine in those? If there 2.2l would you consider 
selling a diff?

-Curt

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:45:20 -0500
From: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used
    to
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
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Kaleb wrote: "In return they conned my out of a couple of pristine 190D's.  I 
dont know what the hell I was thinking.  I would
made more money of the 190's sold separately I am sure."

So,
OK Don now has TWO 190D's?   I wonder if OK Don wants to return the
300D 2.5T that he bought from me.  I would love to have that car back!
I would have to talk my wife out of her Expedition, so she could drive
the 300D because I am really enjoying driving the BMW, but that 90 300D
was a GREAT car.

Donald H. Snook


  
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ranger brakes

[Curt Raymond]

Actually when I bought it in December it had 25,000 miles so we've put on 
almost half as many miles in 1 year as the PO put on in 5...

I'd figured the Wagner ceramics are fine but for $16...

-Curt

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:35:23 -0500
From: Donald Snook 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Ranger brakes
To: "Mercedes@okiebenz.com" 
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Curt
wrote: "So its time to put brakes on my '03 Ford Ranger. I'm 100% sure
this truck was mostly driven in town (before I got it I mean)
considering it needs brakes at 32,000 miles."

You have a 6 year
old Ranger with only 32,000 miles?  I bet it does need front brakes -
that's got to be ALL in town trips.  I think the Wagner pads are fine
they actually put out a lot less brake dust than the factory. 
Apparently, you never drive this truck, so its not like you need super
high performance pads.


Donald H. Snook



  
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[MBZ] [Fwd: Today's Diesel Prices]

[Mitch Haley]

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   On-Highway Diesel Prices, by Week and PADD
(Self Service Cash Price in Dollars per Gallon, Including Taxes)

Diesel Prices Web URL: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/oog/info/wohdp/diesel.asp

   Average All Types

US
NATL   EASTNEWCENTLOWER   GULF   ROCKY   WEST
 DATE   AVGCOAST ENGLAND   ATL ATL   MIDWEST  COAST   MTN   COAST   CA

   PADD   PADDPADDPADDPADDPADD   PADDPADD
 I IA  IB  IC  II III IV  V
--  -  - ---  -   -  ---  -  -  -  -

091019  2.705  2.716  2.752   2.831   2.664   2.693   2.644  2.704  2.822  2.874
091012  2.600  2.610  2.690   2.723   2.554   2.581   2.530  2.650  2.732  2.791
091005  2.582  2.586  2.686   2.698   2.529   2.561   2.518  2.645  2.722  2.792
090928  2.601  2.607  2.703   2.714   2.552   2.585   2.525  2.658  2.742  2.807
090921  2.622  2.631  2.708   2.738   2.578   2.598   2.542  2.678  2.783  2.827
090914  2.634  2.650  2.720   2.755   2.599   2.607   2.555  2.683  2.795  2.847
090907  2.647  2.658  2.729   2.768   2.604   2.628   2.575  2.682  2.786  2.866
090831  2.674  2.691  2.742   2.779   2.649   2.649   2.618  2.692  2.802  2.893
090824  2.668  2.692  2.741   2.781   2.649   2.637   2.622  2.671  2.785  2.880
090817  2.652  2.687  2.739   2.771   2.646   2.623   2.607  2.633  2.744  2.872
090810  2.625  2.665  2.701   2.755   2.624   2.601   2.581  2.573  2.700  2.842
090803  2.550  2.579  2.637   2.671   2.535   2.520   2.513  2.537  2.643  2.763
090727  2.528  2.550  2.613   2.643   2.505   2.500   2.493  2.540  2.617  2.720
090720  2.496  2.514  2.600   2.630   2.456   2.470   2.443  2.559  2.595  2.703
090713  2.542  2.559  2.623   2.663   2.508   2.512   2.494  2.619  2.641  2.727
090706  2.594  2.609  2.656   2.714   2.560   2.565   2.547  2.648  2.706  2.787
090629  2.608  2.629  2.666   2.726   2.584   2.578   2.569  2.631  2.712  2.785
090622  2.616  2.634  2.670   2.730   2.590   2.587   2.583  2.614  2.720  2.789
090615  2.572  2.601  2.651   2.696   2.556   2.546   2.543  2.520  2.655  2.734
090608  2.498  2.516  2.566   2.619   2.468   2.474   2.474  2.442  2.603  2.676
090601  2.352  2.369  2.438   2.457   2.326   2.322   2.323  2.343  2.460  2.502
090525  2.274  2.305  2.409   2.410   2.251   2.229   2.242  2.302  2.384  2.407
090518  2.231  2.276  2.401   2.396   2.213   2.170   2.210  2.274  2.340  2.354
090511  2.216  2.255  2.395   2.386   2.186   2.156   2.198  2.270  2.329  2.337
090504  2.185  2.226  2.382   2.365   2.152   2.124   2.153  2.262  2.306  2.316
090427  2.201  2.241  2.395   2.374   2.171   2.142   2.171  2.270  2.315  2.320
090420  2.221  2.264  2.403   2.392   2.197   2.166   2.186  2.274  2.327  2.340
090413  2.229  2.273  2.420   2.402   2.204   2.175   2.202  2.250  2.336  2.350
090406  2.228  2.279  2.429   2.419   2.205   2.178   2.210  2.213  2.311  2.335
090330  2.221  2.281  2.424   2.399   2.218   2.176   2.203  2.146  2.282  2.297
090323  2.090  2.166  2.403   2.315   2.081   2.038   2.060  2.036  2.150  2.129
090316  2.017  2.093  2.403   2.254   1.995   1.965   1.973  1.988  2.091  2.049
090309  2.045  2.122  2.434   2.287   2.022   1.988   2.006  2.017  2.120  2.075
090302  2.087  2.153  2.472   2.314   2.055   2.030   2.043  2.091  2.185  2.144
090223  2.130  2.199  2.514   2.368   2.098   2.071   2.074  2.158  2.238  2.219
090216  2.186  2.250  2.559   2.420   2.148   2.137   2.133  2.183  2.284  2.262
090209  2.219  2.296  2.576   2.450   2.205   2.173   2.156  2.211  2.292  2.269
090202  2.246  2.325  2.583   2.484   2.233   2.201   2.189  2.229  2.303  2.288
090126  2.268  2.344  2.595   2.490   2.258   2.232   2.202  2.243  2.319  2.296
090119  2.296  2.377  2.613   2.514   2.297   2.264   2.227  2.249  2.338  2.319
090112  2.314  2.395  2.621   2.516   2.322   2.289   2.244  2.235  2.353  2.334
090105  2.291  2.380  2.596   2.496   2.310   2.272   2.228  2.215  2.275  2.239
081229  2.327  2.423  2.638   2.536   2.355   2.314   2.264  2.250  2.273  2.241
081222  2.366  2.469  2.689   2.566   2.406   2.359   2.306  2.272  2.274  2.251
081215  2.4

Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Rich Thomas]

Well, here in the Low Country we won't be getting much snow, and I don't 
see driving anywhere where that would be an issue.


The tires on there now are Michelin X one that look like they might be 
several years old, though they still have some good tread left.  I think 
they are just old and rotting and starting to separate.  I'll probably 
pop over to Costco tomorrow and get a set and be done with it.  The 
reviews I have seen suggest they are decent tires, we won't be 
autocrossing or anything so I'm sure they will be fine.  The pic of the 
new X looks very similar to what is on there now, so similar tread pattern.


Thanks all for the opinions.

--R

R A Bennell wrote:

Depending on where you live and the sort of winter conditions you experience, I 
would be more concerned about
stickyness than rolling resistance. Unless, of course you put winter tires on 
anyway. My past, and not recent by
any means, experience with Michelin was that I could not wear them out but I 
had no grip when it got cold.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of ernest breakfield
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???


although i've had good luck in most instances with Michelin on several
different vehicles (including Xs and XZXs), the set i put on our 300D
several years back tracked and followed road irregularities so badly
that the tire shop swapped them out for a set of comparable-level
Pirellis. (sorry, i don't have the model number/name of those Michelins
handy right now, but they were a rebranded model specifically labeled
for one of the major tire chain stores.) much to my surprise, those
Pirellis have lasted almost 60K miles so far.

WRT to rolling resistance; there was a sidebar in the AAA magazine
recently that mentioned one of the subscription consumer organizations
(Consumer Reports, IIRC) was the only group actually doing standardized
rolling resistance testing.

in my experience to date, tires that had lower rolling resistance
typically also had poorer traction and/or ride performance. if that's
changed for the better (and only fair testing would show that) and
assuming that those tires are not suffering in any other area of
performance, one has to ask oneself how much one is likely to save in
fuel by using those tires to determine if any additional cost it worth it.
personally, i'm most interested in a tires grip and reliability,
with ride and availability of support following close behind. wear and
rolling resistance fall far behind in the list of primary considerations.


cheers!
e


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
  

A few years ago when I was tire shopping, the lacking bit of information
was tire rolling resistance.  I think that there can be as much as a 10%
fuel economy hit with some tires, but good luck trying to figure out
which ones.  Michelin is one of the few companies that does provide some
info, and they seem to have relatively low rolling resistance, but
personally I think they are an over-priced tire for the rest of the
performance numbers.  I've bought Continental tires for both my wagon
and Wife's Infiniti and I'm quite happy with them.  I've also had
Bridgestone Turanza tires on Wife's car and they were not so great.  I
calculate a 10% loss in fuel economy vs. the Michelins I replaces, they
were a bit noisy, but great wear and grip.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???


I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well
liked all season tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would hope
there would be some advances in tread design since then)
http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/


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Re: [MBZ] Wonko

[R A Bennell]

Gee that is too bad. We won't be able to go back and count the number of times 
the F word has been used.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Wonko the Sane
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 12:50 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wonko


The cat was out of the bag days before I posted what I did last night on
Banned. Also, Banned is not archived like this list is.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:

> And then there was the post about stencils on the Banned forum.
>
> Randy
>
>

-- 
DPAD.

The young officer thought it very odd that his captain seemed to trust and
confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their
own ways.
-- Tom Clancy, Clear and Present Danger.
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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[R A Bennell]

Depending on where you live and the sort of winter conditions you experience, I 
would be more concerned about
stickyness than rolling resistance. Unless, of course you put winter tires on 
anyway. My past, and not recent by
any means, experience with Michelin was that I could not wear them out but I 
had no grip when it got cold.

Randy

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of ernest breakfield
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 1:18 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???


although i've had good luck in most instances with Michelin on several
different vehicles (including Xs and XZXs), the set i put on our 300D
several years back tracked and followed road irregularities so badly
that the tire shop swapped them out for a set of comparable-level
Pirellis. (sorry, i don't have the model number/name of those Michelins
handy right now, but they were a rebranded model specifically labeled
for one of the major tire chain stores.) much to my surprise, those
Pirellis have lasted almost 60K miles so far.

WRT to rolling resistance; there was a sidebar in the AAA magazine
recently that mentioned one of the subscription consumer organizations
(Consumer Reports, IIRC) was the only group actually doing standardized
rolling resistance testing.

in my experience to date, tires that had lower rolling resistance
typically also had poorer traction and/or ride performance. if that's
changed for the better (and only fair testing would show that) and
assuming that those tires are not suffering in any other area of
performance, one has to ask oneself how much one is likely to save in
fuel by using those tires to determine if any additional cost it worth it.
personally, i'm most interested in a tires grip and reliability,
with ride and availability of support following close behind. wear and
rolling resistance fall far behind in the list of primary considerations.


cheers!
e


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:
> A few years ago when I was tire shopping, the lacking bit of information
> was tire rolling resistance.  I think that there can be as much as a 10%
> fuel economy hit with some tires, but good luck trying to figure out
> which ones.  Michelin is one of the few companies that does provide some
> info, and they seem to have relatively low rolling resistance, but
> personally I think they are an over-priced tire for the rest of the
> performance numbers.  I've bought Continental tires for both my wagon
> and Wife's Infiniti and I'm quite happy with them.  I've also had
> Bridgestone Turanza tires on Wife's car and they were not so great.  I
> calculate a 10% loss in fuel economy vs. the Michelins I replaces, they
> were a bit noisy, but great wear and grip.
>
> Max
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
> [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:35 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???
>
>
> I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
> much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
> don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
> Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well
> liked all season tires:
> http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS
>
> The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would hope
> there would be some advances in tread design since then)
> http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/
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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[ernest breakfield]

although i've had good luck in most instances with Michelin on several 
different vehicles (including Xs and XZXs), the set i put on our 300D 
several years back tracked and followed road irregularities so badly 
that the tire shop swapped them out for a set of comparable-level 
Pirellis. (sorry, i don't have the model number/name of those Michelins 
handy right now, but they were a rebranded model specifically labeled 
for one of the major tire chain stores.) much to my surprise, those 
Pirellis have lasted almost 60K miles so far.


   WRT to rolling resistance; there was a sidebar in the AAA magazine 
recently that mentioned one of the subscription consumer organizations 
(Consumer Reports, IIRC) was the only group actually doing standardized 
rolling resistance testing.


   in my experience to date, tires that had lower rolling resistance 
typically also had poorer traction and/or ride performance. if that's 
changed for the better (and only fair testing would show that) and 
assuming that those tires are not suffering in any other area of 
performance, one has to ask oneself how much one is likely to save in 
fuel by using those tires to determine if any additional cost it worth it.
   personally, i'm most interested in a tires grip and reliability, 
with ride and availability of support following close behind. wear and 
rolling resistance fall far behind in the list of primary considerations.



cheers!
e


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

A few years ago when I was tire shopping, the lacking bit of information
was tire rolling resistance.  I think that there can be as much as a 10%
fuel economy hit with some tires, but good luck trying to figure out
which ones.  Michelin is one of the few companies that does provide some
info, and they seem to have relatively low rolling resistance, but
personally I think they are an over-priced tire for the rest of the
performance numbers.  I've bought Continental tires for both my wagon
and Wife's Infiniti and I'm quite happy with them.  I've also had
Bridgestone Turanza tires on Wife's car and they were not so great.  I
calculate a 10% loss in fuel economy vs. the Michelins I replaces, they
were a bit noisy, but great wear and grip. 


Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???


I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well
liked all season tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would hope
there would be some advances in tread design since then)
http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/

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Re: [MBZ] Wonko

[Wonko the Sane]

The cat was out of the bag days before I posted what I did last night on
Banned. Also, Banned is not archived like this list is.

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:57 AM, R A Bennell  wrote:

> And then there was the post about stencils on the Banned forum.
>
> Randy
>
>

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confide in his chiefs more than his wardroom, but mustang officers had their
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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

A few years ago when I was tire shopping, the lacking bit of information
was tire rolling resistance.  I think that there can be as much as a 10%
fuel economy hit with some tires, but good luck trying to figure out
which ones.  Michelin is one of the few companies that does provide some
info, and they seem to have relatively low rolling resistance, but
personally I think they are an over-priced tire for the rest of the
performance numbers.  I've bought Continental tires for both my wagon
and Wife's Infiniti and I'm quite happy with them.  I've also had
Bridgestone Turanza tires on Wife's car and they were not so great.  I
calculate a 10% loss in fuel economy vs. the Michelins I replaces, they
were a bit noisy, but great wear and grip. 

Max

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 2:35 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???


I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know
much about the tires that would wear that name today, other than they
don't seem to be available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the
Michelin have a $70/4 rebate now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well
liked all season tires:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would hope
there would be some advances in tread design since then)
http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/

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Re: [MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Mitch Haley]

I used to like the Michelin X and XZX about 25 years ago. Don't know much about 
the tires that would wear that name today, other than they don't seem to be 
available at the Tire Rack. It looks like all the Michelin have a $70/4 rebate 
now. Harmony and Hydroedge seem to be well liked all season tires:

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/surveydisplay.jsp?type=AS

The new X look nothing like the X from the 80s and 90s. (one would hope there 
would be some advances in tread design since then)

http://www.michelinman.com/tires/passenger-car-minivan/x-radial-dt/

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Re: [MBZ] John's CDI [was Re: 190Ds]

[John Robbins]

Craig McCluskey wrote:

How many miles did it have when you bought it? How long ago was that?



Bought it with 67k in April of 2008. :-)

John

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[MBZ] SD Tires -- Michelin X ???

[Rich Thomas]

I had a tire going flat slowly, pulled it off to take it to the tire 
shop, looks old and cracked and like the tread is starting to separate 
at the edge.  I thought I saw a nail but digging at it a bit it looks 
like a steel belt, YOW.  Costco has a Michelin X in 195 70 R14 for $316 
for a set, which seems like a good deal, and a $70 rebate (not sure if 
that price is the before or after rebate).


Are these decent tires?  There are some sort of Michelins on there now.

--R

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[MBZ] hector today when he is not teaching at the public school in florida

[Gary Hurst]

he is an elder statesman to the young hispanic wrestlers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoP7kwSaE8g&feature=related
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[MBZ] great fun from penoff's friend hector from 20 years ago

[Gary Hurst]

guerrero brothers vs a young mick foley from 1988

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdS7Jt3IWj0


great interview with brothers where they tell that eddie and chavo, jr are
coming

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPPmVde2ZHM
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Re: [MBZ] Wonko

[R A Bennell]

And then there was the post about stencils on the Banned forum.

Randy

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Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 7:44 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wonko


What? Anonymity on the web?? Are you deluded???

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Wonko the Sane  wrote:

> I'm not sure you ever knew it. Not too many folks on here do. I like to
> enjoy a bit of anonymity.
>
> Been busy trying to beat my wife on Facebook games -- doin' the Sammich Boy
> thing at the moment. Anyone want a slice of roast beef and cheese cake?
>
> Regina knows my last name! Chris and Bob and a couple of others do, too.
> Good God, even Hurst does! But they are all on Facebook.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
> Ambrose Bierce
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Accel pedal

[Rusty Cullens]

I have the whole pedal for $8.00

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- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 2:31 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Accel pedal


So last night driving the 300SD the accel pedal was sticking/not pushing 
down easily.  I just checked it, it looks like the little tab that is on 
the back of the pedal has detached from the plastic fitting that is on 
the metal arm.  I can't tell if the little fitting should be part of the 
pedal itself or if the tab actually attaches to the fitting somehow.  do 
I need to order a new one (and the buymbparts web site is not up) or can 
I reattach it somehow?


--R

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

no, not yet but I will

Donald Snook wrote:

Kaleb wrote: "IIRC, when Don was doing this, seems like he said the compression 
was OK but I dont remember.  He also said
he did not note anything obvious in the bores of the bottom end with the
head off.  So, head back on.  It seems to be much better but today I
messed with it a little.  When you first start it cold, it seems like #1
is not firing at all at idle.  When you get it off idle, it smooths
out.  There is a little smoke associated with this.  If you let it sit
there and idle for a while it will gradually start hitting on #1.  If
you take it out and blow it out, you get crap blown out the back for a
minute or 2, then once its fully warmed up, it will sit there and idle
smooth as can be for as long as you want."

I know this seems obvious and probably too simple to be the cause, but have 
checked all of the glow plugs to make sure they are in range?  My old 123 had a 
similar problem and it was a glow plug that was out of range and caused all 
sorts of problems.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts

[Rusty Cullens]

IM = Instant Message
ICQ = http://icq.com/
AIM = 
http://o.aolcdn.com/aim/gromit/aim_express/gm/090918.2.3893.en-us/WidgetMain.html



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- Original Message - 
From: "Barry Stark" 

To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts



Rusty -
Excuse me for being lame but what do those mean? IM,ICQ, & AIM.

Barry


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boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rusty Cullens
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 11:51 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts

I am on ICQ and AIM right now.


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: "IIRC, when Don was doing this, seems like he said the compression 
was OK but I dont remember.  He also said
he did not note anything obvious in the bores of the bottom end with the
head off.  So, head back on.  It seems to be much better but today I
messed with it a little.  When you first start it cold, it seems like #1
is not firing at all at idle.  When you get it off idle, it smooths
out.  There is a little smoke associated with this.  If you let it sit
there and idle for a while it will gradually start hitting on #1.  If
you take it out and blow it out, you get crap blown out the back for a
minute or 2, then once its fully warmed up, it will sit there and idle
smooth as can be for as long as you want."

I know this seems obvious and probably too simple to be the cause, but have 
checked all of the glow plugs to make sure they are in range?  My old 123 had a 
similar problem and it was a glow plug that was out of range and caused all 
sorts of problems.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

Yea, but if I need one rebuilt there is a place local that charges about 
$500, thats what it was when I had a 2.5 one rebuilt.


Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

I'll second the vote for the IP, and doesn't Rusty have a special going
on this month on rebuilt IP's?

Max 


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Subject: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

OK, so I got this POS 87 300D in yesterday.  Actually, its not a POS,
its a pretty nice car.  Anyway, this is the car I had a ways back, when
I got it, running at idle it would fog up the neighborhood and could
just sit there and miss the whole time.  It gradually started getting
better while I had it and ended up trading it off.  It them ended up
with OK Don, and now I have it back.  While OK Don had it, he had the
#14 head off and had it rebuilt.  IIRC, when Don was doing this, seems
like he said the compression was OK but I dont remember.  He also said
he did not note anything obvious in the bores of the bottom end with the
head off.  So, head back on.  It seems to be much better but today I
messed with it a little.  When you first start it cold, it seems like #1
is not firing at all at idle.  When you get it off idle, it smooths out.
There is a little smoke associated with this.  If you let it sit there
and idle for a while it will gradually start hitting on #1.  If you take
it out and blow it out, you get crap blown out the back for a minute or
2, then once its fully warmed up, it will sit there and idle smooth as
can be for as long as you want.  Like I said, remembering when he was
posting about this, it seemed like everything was OK and could never
find a reason.  I am wondering if it might be something in the IP?  That
is about the only thing that has not been looked at as far as I know.
What I do know, this thing has tons of power, so I dont suspect anything
major but who knows. 


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

IIRC its a grayish smoke, not really blue but I will look again next 
time I mess with it.


Kevin wrote:

The color of the smoke would be a giveaway, but if you trust the long block
to not be the problem, swap the #1 injector with a different injector and 
see if the problem changes cylinders after a while. If not, it's in the IP 
somewhere. 


On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 06:20:19PM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
  
OK, so I got this POS 87 300D in yesterday.  Actually, its not a POS, 
its a pretty nice car.  Anyway, this is the car I had a ways back, when 
I got it, running at idle it would fog up the neighborhood and could 
just sit there and miss the whole time.  It gradually started getting 
better while I had it and ended up trading it off.  It them ended up 
with OK Don, and now I have it back.  While OK Don had it, he had the 
#14 head off and had it rebuilt.  IIRC, when Don was doing this, seems 
like he said the compression was OK but I dont remember.  He also said 
he did not note anything obvious in the bores of the bottom end with the 
head off.  So, head back on.  It seems to be much better but today I 
messed with it a little.  When you first start it cold, it seems like #1 
is not firing at all at idle.  When you get it off idle, it smooths 
out.  There is a little smoke associated with this.  If you let it sit 
there and idle for a while it will gradually start hitting on #1.  If 
you take it out and blow it out, you get crap blown out the back for a 
minute or 2, then once its fully warmed up, it will sit there and idle 
smooth as can be for as long as you want.  Like I said, remembering when 
he was posting about this, it seemed like everything was OK and could 
never find a reason.  I am wondering if it might be something in the 
IP?  That is about the only thing that has not been looked at as far as 
I know.  What I do know, this thing has tons of power, so I dont suspect 
anything major but who knows. 



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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

No, I do not think so

Peter Frederick wrote:

Anybody done pressure valve seals on that IP?

Peter

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91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 
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Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to

[Donald Snook]

Kaleb wrote: "In return they conned my out of a couple of pristine 190D's.  I 
dont know what the hell I was thinking.  I would
made more money of the 190's sold separately I am sure."

So, OK Don now has TWO 190D's?   I wonder if OK Don wants to return the 300D 
2.5T that he bought from me.  I would love to have that car back! I would have 
to talk my wife out of her Expedition, so she could drive the 300D because I am 
really enjoying driving the BMW, but that 90 300D was a GREAT car.

Donald H. Snook

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Ranger brakes

[Donald Snook]

Curt wrote: "So its time to put brakes on my '03 Ford Ranger. I'm 100% sure 
this truck was mostly driven in town (before I got it I mean) considering it 
needs brakes at 32,000 miles."

You have a 6 year old Ranger with only 32,000 miles?  I bet it does need front 
brakes - that's got to be ALL in town trips.  I think the Wagner pads are fine 
they actually put out a lot less brake dust than the factory.  Apparently, you 
never drive this truck, so its not like you need super high performance pads.


Donald H. Snook

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[MBZ] Squeak from '87 300TD rear suspension

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

MB addicts,

Is there a common failure point that causes squeaking from the rear
suspension on a 124 wagon?

Very respectfully,
/s/
LCDR Max Dillon
'87 300TD 314k miles
Charleston SC


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Re: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I'll second the vote for the IP, and doesn't Rusty have a special going
on this month on rebuilt IP's?

Max 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin
Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 7:20 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] 87 300D, why does it miss when cold

OK, so I got this POS 87 300D in yesterday.  Actually, its not a POS,
its a pretty nice car.  Anyway, this is the car I had a ways back, when
I got it, running at idle it would fog up the neighborhood and could
just sit there and miss the whole time.  It gradually started getting
better while I had it and ended up trading it off.  It them ended up
with OK Don, and now I have it back.  While OK Don had it, he had the
#14 head off and had it rebuilt.  IIRC, when Don was doing this, seems
like he said the compression was OK but I dont remember.  He also said
he did not note anything obvious in the bores of the bottom end with the
head off.  So, head back on.  It seems to be much better but today I
messed with it a little.  When you first start it cold, it seems like #1
is not firing at all at idle.  When you get it off idle, it smooths out.
There is a little smoke associated with this.  If you let it sit there
and idle for a while it will gradually start hitting on #1.  If you take
it out and blow it out, you get crap blown out the back for a minute or
2, then once its fully warmed up, it will sit there and idle smooth as
can be for as long as you want.  Like I said, remembering when he was
posting about this, it seemed like everything was OK and could never
find a reason.  I am wondering if it might be something in the IP?  That
is about the only thing that has not been looked at as far as I know.
What I do know, this thing has tons of power, so I dont suspect anything
major but who knows. 

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 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL,
 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D,
http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to own

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

OK Don, did you get the gold 5 spd?  I was really tempted, but couldn't
make the distances/times involved work out.

Max 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I have now inherited the OK Don jr POS 300D I used to
own

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA 

WHen my wife saw the two cars her son traded his nice looking E class
for, she about threw a fit. She is certain that both of us are out of
our minds.
She's probably right.
The radio doesn't work in either of the 190s - but it's not an issue
since both cars produce such a variety of sounds when gooing down the
highway, that you have no shortage of entertainment. Given the degree of
out-of-balance of the tires on the auto car, I'm surprised we got home
as well --

However, my son was determined to own a car that he has to row (standard
tranny), so here we are. He's hoping to make one presentable and
reliable car from the two.

>  In return they conned my out of a couple of pristine 190D's.  I dont 
> know what the hell I was thinking.  I would made more money of the 
> 190's sold separately I am sure.  Speaking of which, i sure hope they 
> made it home.  I was surprised those cars even made it down the
street.
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as 
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with 
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
> Ambrose Bierce
>
>
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