date:20091210

500 miles.  every place around here that serves beer on tap now serves
yuengling and is covered with all kinds of fancy yuengling promo material.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 11:13 PM, tom tomscat  wrote:

>
> Hi Gary,
>
>
>
> I have known Yuengling as a Philly beer, and the oldest brewery in America.
>
>
>
> http://www.yuengling.com/distrib.htm
>
> Looks like they are still Mid-Atlantic/ East Coast regional beer.
>
>
>
> I did find this note in their history:
>
> 1999 Yuengling purchases former Stroh brewery in Tampa, Florida. Florida
> market begins selling America's Oldest beer.
> I don't know if that explains what you see, but is that in your general
> neighborhood?
>
> Tom Schuch
> SE Connecticut
> 1975 W115 300D
> and a bunch of BMWs
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:27:48 -0500
> From: Gary Hurst 
> Subject: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
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> when i was a kid, yuengling was a strong regional beer. if you happened to
> be in certain areas, the beer at any bar was yuengling just as in certain
> areas the beer was genesee. there were sure signs you were "out of the
> city" and someplace completely else.
>
> lately, everywhere i go i see yuengling, like it has exploded in
> distribution. it kinda tastes like what i would expect, so it isn't just
> relabeled bud light. anyone know what's going on here?
>
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was welcome.
bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's old
neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries have
been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also had
a huge presence in the neighborhood bars in new york city.  additionally,
they'd also have big national bud and miller products on tap.  there usually
wasn't a lot of variety, say 2 or 3 beers on tap, like maybe schmidt's and
bud.  mostly just neighborhood losers sat around there after work and they
weren't that picky as to variety.

the place in my neighborhood was the 3 o's (like as in o'malley, o'brien and
o'rourke or something similar).  my dad hated that place as he was strictly
anti alchohol so i had be really careful going in and out of that place (wuz
dat you zon going from ze 3 o last night?).  i didn't much care for hte
company but they had a satellite and early projection tv and cheap crappy
beer, so it was hard not to look both ways and wander through that door.  i
later learned that my dad used to eat regularly at a blarney stone bar in
manhattan (never drank though.  they would have like a little corned beef
and cabbage buffet at lunch and it was really good) but this did not in his
eyes bolster the argument for my being allowed to go to the o's.

the funny thing in respect to today's world is that i was about 14 when i
started going to the bar.  the issue was not underage drinking as i had a
job, which made me a working man, which qualified me to have some beers.  no
one had any issues with my fundamental right to consume alcohol, but rather
with the sorts of people you associated with at local establishments that
served alcohol.

of course, once you got out of the neighborhood bars and into the more fancy
cosmopolitan bars you could get any damn thing you liked and we mostly liked
english beers in those places.  then we saw the deer hunter and had to drink
rolling rock for 2 years, but that is a whole different brand of psychosis.

what moved me about the yuengling though was that it still tastes like an
old time beer, which i'm pretty sure few of the other brands out there can
claim.  i know that my old brand, ballantine's out of newark, nj, hasn't
tasted like anything in decades.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Gary.
> I usually rant  or delete OT posts-but you have hit on a subject dear to my
> heart (& palate).  I grew up in Yuengling country and when I go back to
> visit my in-laws or they come to visit me-I get a case or two.  It is still
> made at the original brewery n Pottsville, PA-but they also opened a
> brewery
> in FL-which explains why you see it there. I can get a draft of it in
> airports In NC but can't buy it at all here in RI-6 hours away from the
> Brewery.
>
> As I write this, I have a case of their traditional lager sitting in my
> shed. My favorite is their Lord Chesterfield Ale and their porter.  If you
> ever get near Pottsville, Pa go visit the brewery-it's a trip back in time.
> http://www.yuengling.com/index.htm
>
> Oh yes MB content-I hauled the lager back from PA at Thanksgiving in my
> 300D
> 2.5t which got almost 33 mpg with cleaned out turbo.
>
> Didn't you grow up in NYC?
> Dwight
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> when i was a kid, yuengling was a strong regional beer.  if you happened to
> be in certain areas, the beer at any bar was yuengling just as in certain
> areas the beer was genesee.  there were sure signs you were "out of the
> city" and someplace completely else.
>
> lately, everywhere i go i see yuengling, like it has exploded in
> distribution.  it kinda tastes like what i would expect, so it isn't just
> relabeled bud light.  anyone know what's going on here?
>
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

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-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Rich Thomas
Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2009 10:10 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

The radio ads say it is the oldest operating brewery in the US., 
1860some maybe?

--R

Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> Gary.
> I usually rant  or delete OT posts-but you have hit on a subject dear to
my
> heart (& palate).  I grew up in Yuengling country and when I go back to
> visit my in-laws or they come to visit me-I get a case or two.  It is
still
> made at the original brewery n Pottsville, PA-but they also opened a
brewery
> in FL-which explains why you see it there. I can get a draft of it in
> airports In NC but can't buy it at all here in RI-6 hours away from the
> Brewery.
>
> As I write this, I have a case of their traditional lager sitting in my
> shed. My favorite is their Lord Chesterfield Ale and their porter.  If you
> ever get near Pottsville, Pa go visit the brewery-it's a trip back in
time.
> http://www.yuengling.com/index.htm
>
> Oh yes MB content-I hauled the lager back from PA at Thanksgiving in my
300D
> 2.5t which got almost 33 mpg with cleaned out turbo.
>
> Didn't you grow up in NYC?
> Dwight 
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> when i was a kid, yuengling was a strong regional beer.  if you happened
to
> be in certain areas, the beer at any bar was yuengling just as in certain
> areas the beer was genesee.  there were sure signs you were "out of the
> city" and someplace completely else.
>
> lately, everywhere i go i see yuengling, like it has exploded in
> distribution.  it kinda tastes like what i would expect, so it isn't just
> relabeled bud light.  anyone know what's going on here?
>
>   

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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

Gary,
If you like Ballantine, try Yuengling's Lord Chesterfield Ale; one of my
fondest memories in college was Ballantine on tap. 
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was welcome.
bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's old
neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries have
been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also had
a huge presence in the neighborhood bars in new york city.  additionally,
they'd also have big national bud and miller products on tap.  there usually
wasn't a lot of variety, say 2 or 3 beers on tap, like maybe schmidt's and
bud.  mostly just neighborhood losers sat around there after work and they
weren't that picky as to variety.

the place in my neighborhood was the 3 o's (like as in o'malley, o'brien and
o'rourke or something similar).  my dad hated that place as he was strictly
anti alchohol so i had be really careful going in and out of that place (wuz
dat you zon going from ze 3 o last night?).  i didn't much care for hte
company but they had a satellite and early projection tv and cheap crappy
beer, so it was hard not to look both ways and wander through that door.  i
later learned that my dad used to eat regularly at a blarney stone bar in
manhattan (never drank though.  they would have like a little corned beef
and cabbage buffet at lunch and it was really good) but this did not in his
eyes bolster the argument for my being allowed to go to the o's.

the funny thing in respect to today's world is that i was about 14 when i
started going to the bar.  the issue was not underage drinking as i had a
job, which made me a working man, which qualified me to have some beers.  no
one had any issues with my fundamental right to consume alcohol, but rather
with the sorts of people you associated with at local establishments that
served alcohol.

of course, once you got out of the neighborhood bars and into the more fancy
cosmopolitan bars you could get any damn thing you liked and we mostly liked
english beers in those places.  then we saw the deer hunter and had to drink
rolling rock for 2 years, but that is a whole different brand of psychosis.

what moved me about the yuengling though was that it still tastes like an
old time beer, which i'm pretty sure few of the other brands out there can
claim.  i know that my old brand, ballantine's out of newark, nj, hasn't
tasted like anything in decades.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Gary.
> I usually rant  or delete OT posts-but you have hit on a subject dear to
my
> heart (& palate).  I grew up in Yuengling country and when I go back to
> visit my in-laws or they come to visit me-I get a case or two.  It is
still
> made at the original brewery n Pottsville, PA-but they also opened a
> brewery
> in FL-which explains why you see it there. I can get a draft of it in
> airports In NC but can't buy it at all here in RI-6 hours away from the
> Brewery.
>
> As I write this, I have a case of their traditional lager sitting in my
> shed. My favorite is their Lord Chesterfield Ale and their porter.  If you
> ever get near Pottsville, Pa go visit the brewery-it's a trip back in
time.
> http://www.yuengling.com/index.htm
>
> Oh yes MB content-I hauled the lager back from PA at Thanksgiving in my
> 300D
> 2.5t which got almost 33 mpg with cleaned out turbo.
>
> Didn't you grow up in NYC?
> Dwight
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> when i was a kid, yuengling was a strong regional beer.  if you happened
to
> be in certain areas, the beer at any bar was yuengling just as in certain
> areas the beer was genesee.  there were sure signs you were "out of the
> city" and someplace completely else.
>
> lately, everywhere i go i see yuengling, like it has exploded in
> distribution.  it kinda tastes like what i would expect, so it isn't just
> relabeled bud light.  anyone know what's going on here?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb car rebuild, step 1

I have owned my 66 MGB for over 40 years and am continually amazed by its 
versatility.   When we lived in far western Md where there's always lots of 
snow, it had great snow manners as long and the snow wasn't more than 6" or 
so deep.  We towed a small sailboat (17') behind it also.   Now, if I can 
finish the restoration and get her back on the road I'll be happy!  I'm 
installing a new wiring harness and it's "interesting" trying to get 
everything in the right place.


I'd never attempt to install a wiring harness in a MB, BTW (MB content)

LarryT
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66 MGB
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb car rebuild, step 1

If nothing else driving 110 miles a day gives me time to think about 
things...


When we rented the tow dolly the kid wouldn't rent it to me because Uhaul 
thinks a Ranger is too small to tow a 190D (they're probably right) so I 
quickly tried to convince the kid we'd take the dolly and put it on an 
F150. He wouldn't let that fly so I just as quickly took another direction 
and told him I was actually towing an MG B. That (surprisingly) flew just 
fine.


Dwight complimented my quick thinking but actually I'd anticipated the 
problem. The F150 was my backup plan, the MG B was my backup-backup 
plan...


-Curt

Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 21:21:09 -0600
From: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Kaleb car rebuild, step 1
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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Now, that's the voice of reason!

On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 8:52 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

Same reason you aren't driving your 300D, its cold and I don't have 
inside

space to work in... ;)
I could leave the car sit all winter and deal with it in the spring but
I've got the cash and my Indy has the time.
The engine could just need a couple valves sure but it could also have a
trashed bottom end, no way to know without taking it apart and I'm not 
doing

that outside in the snow.

-Curt

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[MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did before on 
an SDL and now I don't have the CD.

What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

2009-12-10 Thread Rich Thomas

Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it 
will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it 
against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:

Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did before on 
an SDL and now I don't have the CD.

What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it 
will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it 
against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.

--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did 
before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.

What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB


I'm installing a new [MGB] wiring harness and it's "interesting"
trying to get everything in the right place.


So, how do you ensure that the new harness exhibits all
of the delightful characteristics one expects in a MG?
Got some special corrosion paste for the connectors?

-- Jim



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[MBZ] beer question -- yuengling


Re: "It seems very much to be a bar beer"

I agree, nothing special.  If you would like to find real, tasty beers/ales try 
the Belgians as they're the best.  The only American brew which comes close is 
Ommegang.

 

G. M. Brown

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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

I'm doing something wrong.  How many pieces are there?  I grabbed the very 
bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring action, 
perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it.

More details please.

Thanks
Harry

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM
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Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it 
will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it 
against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did 
before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.


What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta tell someone about this

Kinda ;)

Yesterday I noticed the RX-7 parked with a tarp over it and a beatup Explorer 
I've never seen before in the driveway.
My wife says he was out there yesterday (during the snowstorm mind you) washing 
the Explorer...


-Curt

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 18:30:11 -0500
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Just waiting for those boards to go flying across the yard aren't you?  ;-)

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Subject: [MBZ] Gotta tell someone about this

> After all my playing in the snow today...
>
> Kid across the street parked his RX-7 on his parent's lawn (said "kid" is 
> probably 25 and has a kid of his own) because of the snow (where he 
> normally parks is where the snow goes).
> Now at 9:10pm he's decided he wants to go somewhere but his 
> high-performance (or cheap copies of same) tires have NO traction on the 
> 1" of snow and wet grass he's parked on and while the lawn is basically 
> flat he's totally stuck...


  
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Re: [MBZ] OM603: Bubbles in Expansion Tank... Cracked head?

2009-12-10 Thread John Robbins


I dunno about that ;)

On 12/9/2009 5:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

seems like its time to retire it to okie acres.



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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

2009-12-10 Thread WILTON


I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago.

Wilton

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


I'm doing something wrong.  How many pieces are there?  I grabbed the very 
bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring action, 
perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it.

More details please.

Thanks
Harry

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Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, it 
will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds it 
against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did 
before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.


What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


More details please.


They vary.  I've seen some (115?) where there's a sliding
sheet metal lock.  When you see one of those it's kind
of obvious.  It slides to one side releasing the whole
plug carrying the star.  There are also ones with a rotating
locking collar, you twist 90 degrees and the ears then can
go up through the notches in the grille frame.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Time to Change

2009-12-10 Thread Bob Rentfro

Thanks, Okiemensch.




On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> I will email you some details later.
>
>
> Bob Rentfro wrote:
>
>> What are the 190D's issues? Any?
>>
>> Would be a nice road trip...
>>
>> Bob R
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin > >wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I would probably take your car in on trade on it if you want.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bob Rentfro wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
 Is that the one you want to trade for my 300D?

 Bob R





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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

2009-12-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

you kinda miss the point as always, glenn

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, glenn brown  wrote:

>
> Re: "It seems very much to be a bar beer"
>
> I agree, nothing special.  If you would like to find real, tasty beers/ales
> try the Belgians as they're the best.  The only American brew which comes
> close is Ommegang.
>
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[MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.

2009-12-10 Thread Rolf

Anyone interested in one of these? One of my tenants manages a crochet 
store, I was going to see if there was enough interest to get a bunch of 
these made. I was thinking in red/offwhite, red/green and blue/offwhite


http://www.m-technik.com/ebay/Bommel5.jpg

Anyone?

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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

The service manual says grab it from below with a "water pump pliers"
aka channel lock pliers and pull down "energetically" then rotate 90
degrees left (anti-clockwise) so that the tabs in the spring assembly
line up with groves in the rosette, then it will be possible to remove
the entire assembly in upward direction out of the hood.

Max

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:01 AM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

> More details please.

They vary.  I've seen some (115?) where there's a sliding sheet metal
lock.  When you see one of those it's kind of obvious.  It slides to one
side releasing the whole plug carrying the star.  There are also ones
with a rotating locking collar, you twist 90 degrees and the ears then
can go up through the notches in the grille frame.

-- Jim



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[MBZ] windshield replacement

2009-12-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310


After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed to be 
replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare from oncoming 
headlights and the gritty original windshield.  Safelit Auto Glass mobiled to 
my house to install a new windshield yesterday but found it rather aggravating 
after a number of hours of attempting to fit their aftermarket gasket and my 
original metal trim to the replacement windshield.  After stopping by EuroSpec 
in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin an OE windshield gasket, they were able to get 
my new windshield installed in short order . . . a word to the wise.

 

G. M. Brown

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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

Thanks for that info, I'm going to need a new windshield on my new
project soon...

Max 

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:06 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] windshield replacement

After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed
to be replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare
from oncoming headlights and the gritty original windshield.  Safelit
Auto Glass mobiled to my house to install a new windshield yesterday but
found it rather aggravating after a number of hours of attempting to fit
their aftermarket gasket and my original metal trim to the replacement
windshield.  After stopping by EuroSpec in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin
an OE windshield gasket, they were able to get my new windshield
installed in short order . . . a word to the wise.

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC

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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

2009-12-10 Thread Rich Thomas

That might be it -- I vaguely recalled some little bit that held it in, 
that might have been on whatever was there when it broke off, and the 
new one was as you say.


--R

Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote:

The service manual says grab it from below with a "water pump pliers"
aka channel lock pliers and pull down "energetically" then rotate 90
degrees left (anti-clockwise) so that the tabs in the spring assembly
line up with groves in the rosette, then it will be possible to remove
the entire assembly in upward direction out of the hood.

Max

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:01 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

  

More details please.



They vary.  I've seen some (115?) where there's a sliding sheet metal
lock.  When you see one of those it's kind of obvious.  It slides to one
side releasing the whole plug carrying the star.  There are also ones
with a rotating locking collar, you twist 90 degrees and the ears then
can go up through the notches in the grille frame.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

Max,
Also IIRC, didn't Dr booth say it wasn't the same issue on a 124?  My 300D
2.5t has glass installer windshield that John Peterson  had put in before he
sold it to me: no special gasket and no leaks after 4 years.
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:40 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

Thanks for that info, I'm going to need a new windshield on my new
project soon...

Max 

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:06 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] windshield replacement


After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed
to be replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare
from oncoming headlights and the gritty original windshield.  Safelit
Auto Glass mobiled to my house to install a new windshield yesterday but
found it rather aggravating after a number of hours of attempting to fit
their aftermarket gasket and my original metal trim to the replacement
windshield.  After stopping by EuroSpec in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin
an OE windshield gasket, they were able to get my new windshield
installed in short order . . . a word to the wise.

 

G. M. Brown

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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

2009-12-10 Thread ernest breakfield

hi Glenn!

we just recently had a new windshield put in our '85 300D as well,
in preparation for holiday travels.

one thing i'd add is that it was a challenge getting the insurance
company (AAA) to pay for the gasket, but we finally did get it approved.
Safelite (the company AAA contracts with to handle glass claims) didn't
consider the gasket part of "the kit" that comes with the windshield so
AAA didn't want to pay for it, in spite of the fact that MBZ and several
glass shops all said that it should be replaced along with the window.
(don't get me started on AAA; that deserves to be kept an entirely
different rant.)
key word seems to be "necessary"; we found a local shop that was
recommended by some reputable local Indies as being familiar with these
cars and that we confirmed to be in the Safelite "network". (Safelite
wants to handle the work themselves, naturally, but AAA covers the work
done by other "approved" shops if you know to ask.) once i managed to
get a Safelite claims agent on a conference call with one of their
approved shops and had them hear from the shop that the gasket is
"necessary for the installation of the windshield" and then get them to
get a AAA claims rep on another conference call to hear that Safelite
had confirmed that the gasket was "necessary", everything went fairly
smoothly.
working with a good shop helps; most of them seem to be pretty
familiar with how to work the claims system of the insurance companies
they work with.

cheers!
e

glenn brown wrote:

After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed to be
replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare from oncoming
headlights and the gritty original windshield. Safelit Auto Glass mobiled to
my house to install a new windshield yesterday but found it rather aggravating
after a number of hours of attempting to fit their aftermarket gasket and my
original metal trim to the replacement windshield. After stopping by EuroSpec
in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin an OE windshield gasket, they were able to get
my new windshield installed in short order . . . a word to the wise.

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC

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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

2009-12-10 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Wilton, too late, I have ruined them both.  I skipped over your first post 
to write a new request for help, my bad.  I called a friend that had MBs in 
Germany and he thought Rich had it right, so, not wanting to be a girlie 
man, I ...


If the looker buys, I'll knock off some $$$.  How much does a new one cost? 
I bought the one I had from Tim.


Thanks for the responses
Harry
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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


I'm doing something wrong.  How many pieces are there?  I grabbed the 
very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring 
action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it.

More details please.

Thanks
Harry

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, 
it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that holds 
it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did 
before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.


What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

2009-12-10 Thread Rusty Cullens


A new one is $20.00

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Wilton, too late, I have ruined them both.  I skipped over your first post 
to write a new request for help, my bad.  I called a friend that had MBs 
in Germany and he thought Rich had it right, so, not wanting to be a 
girlie man, I ...


If the looker buys, I'll knock off some $$$.  How much does a new one 
cost? I bought the one I had from Tim.


Thanks for the responses
Harry
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From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "harry watkins" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


I'm doing something wrong.  How many pieces are there?  I grabbed the 
very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring 
action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it.

More details please.

Thanks
Harry

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From: "harry watkins" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, 
it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that 
holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did 
before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.


What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

He may well have said that and I wasn't paying attention because I was a
123 man.  Then I drove a 124 diesel and saw the light...

One of the E300 sedans I looked at had a new windshield installed by an
independent fellow; he was repairing the RR door window when I arrived
to look at the car.  Seller was happy, the windshield looked great and
the repair the glass man was making to the window looked correct to me
(price for a new regulator assembly looked right in line for a
reasonable profit on the part and he got the door liner off/on with no
problem at all in a rapid manner). I have his card, will probably call
him when it comes time to get the new windshield for my car.

Max

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

Max,
Also IIRC, didn't Dr booth say it wasn't the same issue on a 124?  My
300D 2.5t has glass installer windshield that John Peterson  had put in
before he sold it to me: no special gasket and no leaks after 4 years.
Dwight 

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:40 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

Thanks for that info, I'm going to need a new windshield on my new
project soon...

Max 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of glenn brown
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:06 PM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] windshield replacement


After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed
to be replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare
from oncoming headlights and the gritty original windshield.  Safelit
Auto Glass mobiled to my house to install a new windshield yesterday but
found it rather aggravating after a number of hours of attempting to fit
their aftermarket gasket and my original metal trim to the replacement
windshield.  After stopping by EuroSpec in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin
an OE windshield gasket, they were able to get my new windshield
installed in short order . . . a word to the wise.

 

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC
  
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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

Thanks Rusty, I'll give him your number if he buys, or I'll call you if he 
doesn't.

Harry

- Original Message - 
From: "Rusty Cullens" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



A new one is $20.00

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- Original Message - 
From: "harry watkins" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:07 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Wilton, too late, I have ruined them both.  I skipped over your first 
post to write a new request for help, my bad.  I called a friend that had 
MBs in Germany and he thought Rich had it right, so, not wanting to be a 
girlie man, I ...


If the looker buys, I'll knock off some $$$.  How much does a new one 
cost? I bought the one I had from Tim.


Thanks for the responses
Harry
- Original Message - 
From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago.

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "harry watkins" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


I'm doing something wrong.  How many pieces are there?  I grabbed the 
very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring 
action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it.

More details please.

Thanks
Harry

- Original Message - 
From: "harry watkins" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, 
it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that 
holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I 
did before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.


What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

2009-12-10 Thread Greg Fiorentino

I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East New
York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.

Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New York
beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the old
McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.

Greg

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:43 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was welcome.
bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's old
neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries have
been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also had
a huge presence in the neighborhood bars in new york city.  additionally,
they'd also have big national bud and miller products on tap.  there usually
wasn't a lot of variety, say 2 or 3 beers on tap, like maybe schmidt's and
bud.  mostly just neighborhood losers sat around there after work and they
weren't that picky as to variety.

the place in my neighborhood was the 3 o's (like as in o'malley, o'brien and
o'rourke or something similar).  my dad hated that place as he was strictly
anti alchohol so i had be really careful going in and out of that place (wuz
dat you zon going from ze 3 o last night?).  i didn't much care for hte
company but they had a satellite and early projection tv and cheap crappy
beer, so it was hard not to look both ways and wander through that door.  i
later learned that my dad used to eat regularly at a blarney stone bar in
manhattan (never drank though.  they would have like a little corned beef
and cabbage buffet at lunch and it was really good) but this did not in his
eyes bolster the argument for my being allowed to go to the o's.

the funny thing in respect to today's world is that i was about 14 when i
started going to the bar.  the issue was not underage drinking as i had a
job, which made me a working man, which qualified me to have some beers.  no
one had any issues with my fundamental right to consume alcohol, but rather
with the sorts of people you associated with at local establishments that
served alcohol.

of course, once you got out of the neighborhood bars and into the more fancy
cosmopolitan bars you could get any damn thing you liked and we mostly liked
english beers in those places.  then we saw the deer hunter and had to drink
rolling rock for 2 years, but that is a whole different brand of psychosis.

what moved me about the yuengling though was that it still tastes like an
old time beer, which i'm pretty sure few of the other brands out there can
claim.  i know that my old brand, ballantine's out of newark, nj, hasn't
tasted like anything in decades.

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Gary.
> I usually rant  or delete OT posts-but you have hit on a subject dear to
my
> heart (& palate).  I grew up in Yuengling country and when I go back to
> visit my in-laws or they come to visit me-I get a case or two.  It is
still
> made at the original brewery n Pottsville, PA-but they also opened a
> brewery
> in FL-which explains why you see it there. I can get a draft of it in
> airports In NC but can't buy it at all here in RI-6 hours away from the
> Brewery.
>
> As I write this, I have a case of their traditional lager sitting in my
> shed. My favorite is their Lord Chesterfield Ale and their porter.  If you
> ever get near Pottsville, Pa go visit the brewery-it's a trip back in
time.
> http://www.yuengling.com/index.htm
>
> Oh yes MB content-I hauled the lager back from PA at Thanksgiving in my
> 300D
> 2.5t which got almost 33 mpg with cleaned out turbo.
>
> Didn't you grow up in NYC?
> Dwight
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> when i was a kid, yuengling was a strong regional beer.  if you happened
to
> be in certain areas, the beer at any bar was yuengling just as in certain
> areas the beer was genesee.  there were sure signs you were "out of the
> city" and someplace completely else.
>
> lately, everywhere i go i see yuengling, like it has exploded in
> distribution.  it kinda tastes like what i would expect, so it isn't just
> relabeled bud light.  anyone know what's going on here?
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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

2009-12-10 Thread Rusty Cullens


Let's all remember that I have the Genuine MB seals for $104.00

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[MBZ] trip to the local dealer

I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a
peek around.  I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who don't
have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor.

Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer
models, but looking at the build quality, and attention to fit and finish on
the current C, E, and S Class models, it looks like Mercedes has turned the
corner, and are now headed back in the right direction.  The previous model
S Class was a huge disappointment to me.  My first experience with one, was
running my hand along the inside of a door seal, only to have one of the
spot welds cut my finger, which was protruding through the paint!!  Ok, I
thought a one off boo boo, but found the same things on another car!  Hard
to believe that car was made by the same company as the W140 series.  Yeah
yeah, I know the W140 was a fortune to run, and service properly, but it was
never meant for the masses, or those on a budget.

The new S is amazing!  Interior fit and finish, feel and look of materials
are all first class.  Not a cheap car, but I'm sure regardless of how much
you spend, if you couldn't find better quality.  The way things are put
together, looks every bit as good as on the Maybachs I've seen.

Caught a peek at the new E Class, in full pavement melting AMG kit.  It was
pulling away from teh dealer, and sounded every bit the business!!  Yummy.

They also had a Hybrid S there, and other than exterior badges, I couldn't
tell it from a standard gasser car.  Most Ss here seem to come with the AMG
sport package, so regardless of the engine, they all looks a bit sportier
and more aggressive.

They also had a SLR 733 drop top on the floor.  I'm wondering with how much
they've depreciated (if you peek on eBay), and the new SLS arriving soon, if
ppl are just waiting for the new car, which gives similar performance, but
at a lot less money.

They also had an original Gullwing on the floor which has been there awhile,
so maybe it's a company car, or belongs to the guy who owns the dealership.
Either way, great looking car, and must have looked like something from
outer space when it first arrived.  Much like the Countach in the 70s.

Well there it is.  Off to remove the snow from the old E, and give it a
quick vacuum.

Happy motoring everyone.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

The way I see if, it the service manual calls for a new gasket if the
windshield is changed, then that's the last work, argument over.

Ed
300E

2009/12/10 ernest breakfield 

> hi Glenn!
>
>   we just recently had a new windshield put in our '85 300D as well, in
> preparation for holiday travels.
>
>   one thing i'd add is that it was a challenge getting the insurance
> company (AAA) to pay for the gasket, but we finally did get it approved.
> Safelite (the company AAA contracts with to handle glass claims) didn't
> consider the gasket part of "the kit" that comes with the windshield so AAA
> didn't want to pay for it, in spite of the fact that MBZ and several glass
> shops all said that it should be replaced along with the window. (don't get
> me started on AAA; that deserves to be kept  an entirely different rant.)
>   key word seems to be "necessary"; we found a local shop that was
> recommended by some reputable local Indies as being familiar with these cars
> and that we confirmed to be in the Safelite "network". (Safelite wants to
> handle the work themselves, naturally, but AAA covers the work done by other
> "approved" shops if you know to ask.) once i managed to get a Safelite
> claims agent on a conference call with one of their approved shops and had
> them hear from the shop that the gasket is "necessary for the installation
> of the windshield" and then get them to get a AAA claims rep on another
> conference call to hear that Safelite had confirmed that the gasket was
> "necessary", everything went fairly smoothly.
>   working with a good shop helps; most of them seem to be pretty familiar
> with how to work the claims system of the insurance companies they work
> with.
>
>
> cheers!
> e
>
>
>
> glenn brown wrote:
>
>> After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed
>> to be replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare from
>> oncoming headlights and the gritty original windshield.  Safelit Auto Glass
>> mobiled to my house to install a new windshield yesterday but found it
>> rather aggravating after a number of hours of attempting to fit their
>> aftermarket gasket and my original metal trim to the replacement windshield.
>>  After stopping by EuroSpec in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin an OE
>> windshield gasket, they were able to get my new windshield installed in
>> short order . . . a word to the wise.
>>
>>
>> G. M. Brown
>>
>> Brevard, NC
>>
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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement

2009-12-10 Thread ernest breakfield


agreed, of course; but don't confuse logic with insurance companies SOPs.


cheers!
e


E M wrote:

The way I see if, it the service manual calls for a new gasket if the
windshield is changed, then that's the last work, argument over.

Ed
300E

2009/12/10 ernest breakfield 

  

hi Glenn!

  we just recently had a new windshield put in our '85 300D as well, in
preparation for holiday travels.

  one thing i'd add is that it was a challenge getting the insurance
company (AAA) to pay for the gasket, but we finally did get it approved.
Safelite (the company AAA contracts with to handle glass claims) didn't
consider the gasket part of "the kit" that comes with the windshield so AAA
didn't want to pay for it, in spite of the fact that MBZ and several glass
shops all said that it should be replaced along with the window. (don't get
me started on AAA; that deserves to be kept  an entirely different rant.)
  key word seems to be "necessary"; we found a local shop that was
recommended by some reputable local Indies as being familiar with these cars
and that we confirmed to be in the Safelite "network". (Safelite wants to
handle the work themselves, naturally, but AAA covers the work done by other
"approved" shops if you know to ask.) once i managed to get a Safelite
claims agent on a conference call with one of their approved shops and had
them hear from the shop that the gasket is "necessary for the installation
of the windshield" and then get them to get a AAA claims rep on another
conference call to hear that Safelite had confirmed that the gasket was
"necessary", everything went fairly smoothly.
  working with a good shop helps; most of them seem to be pretty familiar
with how to work the claims system of the insurance companies they work
with.


cheers!
e



glenn brown wrote:



After years of fighting road debris the windshield on my '84 300D needed
to be replaced as I felt it unsafe for night driving due to the glare from
oncoming headlights and the gritty original windshield.  Safelit Auto Glass
mobiled to my house to install a new windshield yesterday but found it
rather aggravating after a number of hours of attempting to fit their
aftermarket gasket and my original metal trim to the replacement windshield.
 After stopping by EuroSpec in nearby Fletcher, NC to obatin an OE
windshield gasket, they were able to get my new windshield installed in
short order . . . a word to the wise.


G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC

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[MBZ] '66 230SL in the local paper

2009-12-10 Thread Allan Streib

Ad should be listed on this page...  
http://www.heraldtimesonline.com/shop/class.php?get=cls&n=502

Asking $38K ... wow.

No interest, etc.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

ED,
Did they have any Bluetecs there?

Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
Wickford RI 02852

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On Behalf Of E M
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Subject: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a
peek around.  I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who don't
have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor.

Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer
models, but looking at the build quality, and attention to fit and finish on
the current C, E, and S Class models, it looks like Mercedes has turned the
corner, and are now headed back in the right direction.  The previous model
S Class was a huge disappointment to me.  My first experience with one, was
running my hand along the inside of a door seal, only to have one of the
spot welds cut my finger, which was protruding through the paint!!  Ok, I
thought a one off boo boo, but found the same things on another car!  Hard
to believe that car was made by the same company as the W140 series.  Yeah
yeah, I know the W140 was a fortune to run, and service properly, but it was
never meant for the masses, or those on a budget.

The new S is amazing!  Interior fit and finish, feel and look of materials
are all first class.  Not a cheap car, but I'm sure regardless of how much
you spend, if you couldn't find better quality.  The way things are put
together, looks every bit as good as on the Maybachs I've seen.

Caught a peek at the new E Class, in full pavement melting AMG kit.  It was
pulling away from teh dealer, and sounded every bit the business!!  Yummy.

They also had a Hybrid S there, and other than exterior badges, I couldn't
tell it from a standard gasser car.  Most Ss here seem to come with the AMG
sport package, so regardless of the engine, they all looks a bit sportier
and more aggressive.

They also had a SLR 733 drop top on the floor.  I'm wondering with how much
they've depreciated (if you peek on eBay), and the new SLS arriving soon, if
ppl are just waiting for the new car, which gives similar performance, but
at a lot less money.

They also had an original Gullwing on the floor which has been there awhile,
so maybe it's a company car, or belongs to the guy who owns the dealership.
Either way, great looking car, and must have looked like something from
outer space when it first arrived.  Much like the Countach in the 70s.

Well there it is.  Off to remove the snow from the old E, and give it a
quick vacuum.

Happy motoring everyone.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.

LOL. Yeah I'll get one, make it a prize for ChowdaQ 010.

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500
From: Rolf 
Subject: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.
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Anyone interested in one of these? One of my tenants manages a crochet 
store, I was going to see if there was enough interest to get a bunch of 
these made. I was thinking in red/offwhite, red/green and blue/offwhite

http://www.m-technik.com/ebay/Bommel5.jpg

Anyone?

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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.

WHICH Prize?  
Could fit on top of MB car cover that has pornographic hood ornament pocket.


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Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.

LOL. Yeah I'll get one, make it a prize for ChowdaQ 010.

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500
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Subject: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.
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Anyone interested in one of these? One of my tenants manages a crochet 
store, I was going to see if there was enough interest to get a bunch of 
these made. I was thinking in red/offwhite, red/green and blue/offwhite

http://www.m-technik.com/ebay/Bommel5.jpg

Anyone?


  
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[MBZ] 240D water pump?

Looks like Andrew might be right, the coolant leak on my 240D has accelerated. 
Could be I need a water pump.
I'm mentally preparing, I haven't actually looked yet, but is it a big job? 
Does the radiator have to come out? What about the fan?

Rusty lists Geba and Laso with the Laso being ~$20 more expensive. Both look to 
have metal blades on the pump...
This is my $400 240D, if the Geba isn't total crap I'll probably go for it.


-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 240D water pump?

2009-12-10 Thread Rusty Cullens


It isn't crap.

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- Original Message - 
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To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D water pump?


Looks like Andrew might be right, the coolant leak on my 240D has 
accelerated. Could be I need a water pump.
I'm mentally preparing, I haven't actually looked yet, but is it a big 
job? Does the radiator have to come out? What about the fan?


Rusty lists Geba and Laso with the Laso being ~$20 more expensive. Both 
look to have metal blades on the pump...
This is my $400 240D, if the Geba isn't total crap I'll probably go for 
it.



-Curt




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[MBZ] hot but no heat - solved

2009-12-10 Thread Michael Esh

Several of you hit the nail on the head, I was low on coolant.   
Although I had checked the coolant level several times, while at the  
garage for a front end alignment I asked them to why temp gauge was  
pegging out and no heat was available in the interior.


Thanks for your ideas,
Mike

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[MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

As per usual, so much of your input doesn't deserve a response.

G. M. Brown

Brevard, NC

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:35:28 -0500
From: Gary Hurst 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
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you kinda miss the point as always, glenn

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:26 AM, glenn brown  wrote:

>
> Re: "It seems very much to be a bar beer"
>
> I agree, nothing special. If you would like to find real, tasty beers/ales
> try the Belgians as they're the best. The only American brew which comes
> close is Ommegang.
>
>
>
> G. M. Brown
>
> Brevard, NC

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[MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up


The guys from Safelite returned today with an OE winshield gasket for my '84 
300D from EuroSpec and had absolutely no problem with the installation.  The 
one fellow indicated that he immediately saw the difference in the corner 
angles of their aftermarket gasket vs. the OE gasket.

 

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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up

Thanks for the follow up Glenn-this good to know. I have some stone chips on
my 240D that might not go through inspection the next time.
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI


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The guys from Safelite returned today with an OE winshield gasket for my '84
300D from EuroSpec and had absolutely no problem with the installation.  The
one fellow indicated that he immediately saw the difference in the corner
angles of their aftermarket gasket vs. the OE gasket.

 

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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.

yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East New
> York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
>
> Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> York
> beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the old
> McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:43 AM
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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
>
> yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was welcome.
> bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's
> old
> neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
> these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries have
> been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also had
> a huge presence in the neighborhood bars in new york city.  additionally,
> they'd also have big national bud and miller products on tap.  there
> usually
> wasn't a lot of variety, say 2 or 3 beers on tap, like maybe schmidt's and
> bud.  mostly just neighborhood losers sat around there after work and they
> weren't that picky as to variety.
>
> the place in my neighborhood was the 3 o's (like as in o'malley, o'brien
> and
> o'rourke or something similar).  my dad hated that place as he was strictly
> anti alchohol so i had be really careful going in and out of that place
> (wuz
> dat you zon going from ze 3 o last night?).  i didn't much care for hte
> company but they had a satellite and early projection tv and cheap crappy
> beer, so it was hard not to look both ways and wander through that door.  i
> later learned that my dad used to eat regularly at a blarney stone bar in
> manhattan (never drank though.  they would have like a little corned beef
> and cabbage buffet at lunch and it was really good) but this did not in his
> eyes bolster the argument for my being allowed to go to the o's.
>
> the funny thing in respect to today's world is that i was about 14 when i
> started going to the bar.  the issue was not underage drinking as i had a
> job, which made me a working man, which qualified me to have some beers.
>  no
> one had any issues with my fundamental right to consume alcohol, but rather
> with the sorts of people you associated with at local establishments that
> served alcohol.
>
> of course, once you got out of the neighborhood bars and into the more
> fancy
> cosmopolitan bars you could get any damn thing you liked and we mostly
> liked
> english beers in those places.  then we saw the deer hunter and had to
> drink
> rolling rock for 2 years, but that is a whole different brand of psychosis.
>
> what moved me about the yuengling though was that it still tastes like an
> old time beer, which i'm pretty sure few of the other brands out there can
> claim.  i know that my old brand, ballantine's out of newark, nj, hasn't
> tasted like anything in decades.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr  >wrote:
>
> > Gary.
> > I usually rant  or delete OT posts-but you have hit on a subject dear to
> my
> > heart (& palate).  I grew up in Yuengling country and when I go back to
> > visit my in-laws or they come to visit me-I get a case or two.  It is
> still
> > made at the original brewery n Pottsville, PA-but they also opened a
> > brewery
> > in FL-which explains why you see it there. I can get a draft of it in
> > airports In NC but can't buy it at all here in RI-6 hours away from the
> > Brewery.
> >
> > As I write this, I have a case of their traditional lager sitting in my
> > shed. My favorite is their Lord Chesterfield Ale and their porter.  If
> you
> > ever get near Pottsville, Pa go visit the brewery-it's a trip back in
> time.
> > http://www.yuengling.com/index.htm
> >
> > Oh yes MB content-I hauled the lager back from PA at Thanksgiving in my
> > 300D
> > 2.5t which got almost 33 mpg with cleaned out turbo.
> >
> > Didn't you grow up in NYC?
> > Dwight
> >
> > Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> > Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > Wickford RI 02852
> >
> > when i was a kid, yuengling was a strong regional beer.  if you happened
> to
> > be in certain areas, the beer at any bar was yuengling just as in certain
> > areas the beer was genesee.  there were sure signs you were "out of the
> > city" and someplace completely else.
> >
> > lately, everywhere i go i see yuengling, like it has exploded in
> > distribution.  it kinda tastes like what i would expect, so it isn't just
> > relabeled bud light.  anyone know what's going on here

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

Hi Dwight,

To be honest, I didn't really look for one, but will next time I'm there.
The only diesels I see around here, in the newer models, are most often in
the large GL SUVs.  You do see the odd one in an M Class too.  I'm not sure
if either are Bluetech, or just their regular diesels, as I'm not really up
on the latest diesel offerings.  The did have a SDL in for servicing,
getting it's snows on though.

A number of older cars here are still dealer serviced, including mine,
('88), right up until I purchased it about a year or so ago.

I'll ask about what models the Bluetech is offered in here (Canada) next
time I'm in, and report back. ;-)

Ed
300E

2009/12/10 Dwight E. Giles, Jr 

> ED,
> Did they have any Bluetecs there?
>
> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> Wickford RI 02852
>
> -Original Message-
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> On Behalf Of E M
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:12 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer
>
> I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a
> peek around.  I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who don't
> have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor.
>
> Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer
> models, but looking at the build quality, and attention to fit and finish
> on
> the current C, E, and S Class models, it looks like Mercedes has turned the
> corner, and are now headed back in the right direction.  The previous model
> S Class was a huge disappointment to me.  My first experience with one, was
> running my hand along the inside of a door seal, only to have one of the
> spot welds cut my finger, which was protruding through the paint!!  Ok, I
> thought a one off boo boo, but found the same things on another car!  Hard
> to believe that car was made by the same company as the W140 series.  Yeah
> yeah, I know the W140 was a fortune to run, and service properly, but it
> was
> never meant for the masses, or those on a budget.
>
> The new S is amazing!  Interior fit and finish, feel and look of materials
> are all first class.  Not a cheap car, but I'm sure regardless of how much
> you spend, if you couldn't find better quality.  The way things are put
> together, looks every bit as good as on the Maybachs I've seen.
>
> Caught a peek at the new E Class, in full pavement melting AMG kit.  It was
> pulling away from teh dealer, and sounded every bit the business!!  Yummy.
>
> They also had a Hybrid S there, and other than exterior badges, I couldn't
> tell it from a standard gasser car.  Most Ss here seem to come with the AMG
> sport package, so regardless of the engine, they all looks a bit sportier
> and more aggressive.
>
> They also had a SLR 733 drop top on the floor.  I'm wondering with how much
> they've depreciated (if you peek on eBay), and the new SLS arriving soon,
> if
> ppl are just waiting for the new car, which gives similar performance, but
> at a lot less money.
>
> They also had an original Gullwing on the floor which has been there
> awhile,
> so maybe it's a company car, or belongs to the guy who owns the dealership.
> Either way, great looking car, and must have looked like something from
> outer space when it first arrived.  Much like the Countach in the 70s.
>
> Well there it is.  Off to remove the snow from the old E, and give it a
> quick vacuum.
>
> Happy motoring everyone.
>
> Ed
> 300E
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Re: [MBZ] 240D water pump?

Well met. I was just comparing the price on that to RockAuto (I have a new 
customer discount with them through the end of the year) though considering the 
closeness in price and Rock Auto having a shipping delay I'll probably be 
giving you a shout tomorrow.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:59:41 -0500
From: "Rusty Cullens" 
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It isn't crap.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Curt Raymond" 
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:57 PM
Subject: [MBZ] 240D water pump?

> Looks like Andrew might be right, the coolant leak on my 240D has 
> accelerated. Could be I need a water pump.
> I'm mentally preparing, I haven't actually looked yet, but is it a big 
> job? Does the radiator have to come out? What about the fan?
>
> Rusty lists Geba and Laso with the Laso being ~$20 more expensive. Both 
> look to have metal blades on the pump...
> This is my $400 240D, if the Geba isn't total crap I'll probably go for 
> it.
>
>
> -Curt

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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

I *think* I've been to McSorley's, after a while they start to run together...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:52:00 -0500
From: Gary Hurst 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
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i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.

yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East New
> York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
>
> Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> York
> beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the old
> McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
>
> Greg


  
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

2009-12-10 Thread Greg Fiorentino

I used to go to McSorley's in the mid 60's.  My brother (later my brother in
law also) attended The Cooper Union nearby.  I used to join in their
"McSorley's Day" celebrations.  No women were there at the time.  They
served only ale and porter, which I suppose were what we now call
"microbrew".  It was good stuff.  IIRC they were priced at 2 rather large
mugs for whatever reasonable amount  The waiters brought them to the tables
by grasping all the mug handles with fingers, and I recall that they must
have had to have enormous hands to carry so many at once.  The
ancient-looking urinals were the size of upended bathtubs.  The customers
all seemed to be locals and students rather than tourists.

I suppose success can spoil.

Greg
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On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:52 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.

yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino
wrote:

> I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East New
> York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
>
> Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> York
> beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the
old
> McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:43 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
>
> yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was welcome.
> bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's
> old
> neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
> these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries
have
> been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also
had
> a huge presence in the neighborhood bars in new york city.  additionally,
> they'd also have big national bud and miller products on tap.  there
> usually
> wasn't a lot of variety, say 2 or 3 beers on tap, like maybe schmidt's and
> bud.  mostly just neighborhood losers sat around there after work and they
> weren't that picky as to variety.
>
> the place in my neighborhood was the 3 o's (like as in o'malley, o'brien
> and
> o'rourke or something similar).  my dad hated that place as he was
strictly
> anti alchohol so i had be really careful going in and out of that place
> (wuz
> dat you zon going from ze 3 o last night?).  i didn't much care for hte
> company but they had a satellite and early projection tv and cheap crappy
> beer, so it was hard not to look both ways and wander through that door.
i
> later learned that my dad used to eat regularly at a blarney stone bar in
> manhattan (never drank though.  they would have like a little corned beef
> and cabbage buffet at lunch and it was really good) but this did not in
his
> eyes bolster the argument for my being allowed to go to the o's.
>
> the funny thing in respect to today's world is that i was about 14 when i
> started going to the bar.  the issue was not underage drinking as i had a
> job, which made me a working man, which qualified me to have some beers.
>  no
> one had any issues with my fundamental right to consume alcohol, but
rather
> with the sorts of people you associated with at local establishments that
> served alcohol.
>
> of course, once you got out of the neighborhood bars and into the more
> fancy
> cosmopolitan bars you could get any damn thing you liked and we mostly
> liked
> english beers in those places.  then we saw the deer hunter and had to
> drink
> rolling rock for 2 years, but that is a whole different brand of
psychosis.
>
> what moved me about the yuengling though was that it still tastes like an
> old time beer, which i'm pretty sure few of the other brands out there can
> claim.  i know that my old brand, ballantine's out of newark, nj, hasn't
> tasted like anything in decades.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 8:03 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr  >wrote:
>
> > Gary.
> > I usually rant  or delete OT posts-but you have hit on a subject dear to
> my
> > heart (& palate).  I grew up in Yuengling country and when I go back to
> > visit my in-laws or they come to visit me-I get a case or two.  It is
> still
> > made at the original brewery n Pottsville, PA-but they also opened a
> > brewery
> > in FL-which explains why you see it there. I can get a draft of it in
> > airports In NC but can't buy it at all here in RI-6 hours away from the
> > Brewery.
> >
> > As I write this, I have a case of their traditional lager sitting i

Re: [MBZ] '66 230SL in the local paper

I've always loved that model of SL, even though many think they're girlie
cars.  I'd probably want  280 for that money though.  There wasn't much S to
them, and they weren't very L, but for a summer cruise to your fave picnic
spot, pretty hard to beat. :-)

In most cases, the tin worm did a better job of returning them to mother
earth, then heat did, on recycling wiring loons in mid 90s Mercs. hee hee.

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> Ad should be listed on this page...
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>
> Asking $38K ... wow.
>
> No interest, etc.
>
> Allan
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

you'd remember them as they are real throwback.  very unique

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> I *think* I've been to McSorley's, after a while they start to run
> together...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 16:52:00 -0500
> From: Gary Hurst 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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>
> i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
> women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.
>
> yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino  >wrote:
>
> > I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East
> New
> > York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
> >
> > Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> > York
> > beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the
> old
> > McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
> >
> > Greg
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

from the wikipedia

Women were not allowed until 1970 when National Organization for
Womenattorneys
Faith Seidenberg and Karen DeCrow took their case to District
Court and won (*Seidenberg v. McSorleys' Old Ale House*). It did so "kicking
and screaming."
[3]

McSorley's serves only two ales, light and dark - $4.50 for two (2009
pricing, each glass is a half pint). The aged artwork, newspaper articles
covering the walls, the sawdust floors, and the Irish waiters and bartenders
help give McSorley's Old Ale House an atmosphere that many consider,
correctly or not, reminiscent of "Olde New York." No piece of memorabilia
has been removed from the walls since 1910. After the New York
Rangerswon the Stanley
Cup  in 1994, they took the cup to
McSorley's and drank out of it; the resulting dent caused the NHL to take
the trophy back for several days.[*citation
needed
*]

Famous people have imbibed at McSorley's, including Abraham
Lincoln,
Teddy Roosevelt , Boss
Tweed,
and Woody Guthrie . Literary
figures like Brendan Behan , Paul
Blackburn , LeRoi
Jones,
Gilbert Sorrentino , George
Jean Nathan  have been
cited as regulars.

In his 1923 poem "I was sitting in mcsorley's," poet E. E.
Cummingsdescribed
McSorley's as "the ale which never lets you grow old." He also
described it as he describes the bar as “snug and
evil.”[3]
[4] 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> I used to go to McSorley's in the mid 60's.  My brother (later my brother
> in
> law also) attended The Cooper Union nearby.  I used to join in their
> "McSorley's Day" celebrations.  No women were there at the time.  They
> served only ale and porter, which I suppose were what we now call
> "microbrew".  It was good stuff.  IIRC they were priced at 2 rather large
> mugs for whatever reasonable amount  The waiters brought them to the tables
> by grasping all the mug handles with fingers, and I recall that they must
> have had to have enormous hands to carry so many at once.  The
> ancient-looking urinals were the size of upended bathtubs.  The customers
> all seemed to be locals and students rather than tourists.
>
> I suppose success can spoil.
>
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
>
> i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
> women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.
>
> yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino
> wrote:
>
> > I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East
> New
> > York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
> >
> > Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> > York
> > beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the
> old
> > McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:43 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
> >
> > yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was welcome.
> > bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's
> > old
> > neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
> > these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries
> have
> > been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also
> had
> > a huge presence in the neighborhood bars in new york city.  additionally,
> > they'd also have big national bud and miller products on tap.  there
> > usually
> > wasn't a lot of variety, say 2 or 3 beers on tap, like maybe schmidt's
> and
> > bud.  mostly just neighborhood losers sat around there after work and
> they
> > weren't tha

Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB


Good point Jim,
Yeah, the corrosion promoting grease helps, but I also randomly cut some 
wires, leave others unplugged and mis identify a few just for fun.   Plus, 
my supply of genuine MGB electrical smoke because all of mine was used up.


That'll make the whole experience "LBC-like" ;-)   (for those of you not 
familiar with the term LBC - it's Little British Car).


LarryT
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB


I'm installing a new [MGB] wiring harness and it's "interesting"
trying to get everything in the right place.


So, how do you ensure that the new harness exhibits all
of the delightful characteristics one expects in a MG?
Got some special corrosion paste for the connectors?

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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

2009-12-10 Thread Jaime Kopchinski

My uncle, who is generally an encyclopedia when it comes to most of the
experiences in his life, has told me about this place.  He lived in the
village in the early 60s and has all sorts of bizarre stories from the
perspective of a struggling jazz musician.  He has spoke of the "light and
dark, or any mixture of the two" beer frequently.  I guess I'll have to take
him there so he can share more of his vivid memory.

Jaime

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:37 PM, Gary Hurst  wrote:

> from the wikipedia
>
> Women were not allowed until 1970 when National Organization for
> Women >attorneys
> Faith Seidenberg and Karen DeCrow took their case to District
> Court and won (*Seidenberg v. McSorleys' Old Ale House*). It did so
> "kicking
> and screaming."
> [3]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McSorley%27s_Old_Ale_House#cite_note-Blasts_from_the_Past-2
> >
>
> McSorley's serves only two ales, light and dark - $4.50 for two (2009
> pricing, each glass is a half pint). The aged artwork, newspaper articles
> covering the walls, the sawdust floors, and the Irish waiters and
> bartenders
> help give McSorley's Old Ale House an atmosphere that many consider,
> correctly or not, reminiscent of "Olde New York." No piece of memorabilia
> has been removed from the walls since 1910. After the New York
> Rangerswon the Stanley
> Cup  in 1994, they took the cup
> to
> McSorley's and drank out of it; the resulting dent caused the NHL to take
> the trophy back for several days.[*citation
> needed
> *]
>
> Famous people have imbibed at McSorley's, including Abraham
> Lincoln,
> Teddy Roosevelt , Boss
> Tweed,
> and Woody Guthrie . Literary
> figures like Brendan Behan ,
> Paul
> Blackburn , LeRoi
> Jones,
> Gilbert Sorrentino ,
> George
> Jean Nathan  have been
> cited as regulars.
>
> In his 1923 poem "I was sitting in mcsorley's," poet E. E.
> Cummingsdescribed
> McSorley's as "the ale which never lets you grow old." He also
> described it as he describes the bar as “snug and
> evil.”[3]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McSorley%27s_Old_Ale_House#cite_note-Blasts_from_the_Past-2
> >
> [4] 
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino  >wrote:
>
> > I used to go to McSorley's in the mid 60's.  My brother (later my brother
> > in
> > law also) attended The Cooper Union nearby.  I used to join in their
> > "McSorley's Day" celebrations.  No women were there at the time.  They
> > served only ale and porter, which I suppose were what we now call
> > "microbrew".  It was good stuff.  IIRC they were priced at 2 rather large
> > mugs for whatever reasonable amount  The waiters brought them to the
> tables
> > by grasping all the mug handles with fingers, and I recall that they must
> > have had to have enormous hands to carry so many at once.  The
> > ancient-looking urinals were the size of upended bathtubs.  The customers
> > all seemed to be locals and students rather than tourists.
> >
> > I suppose success can spoil.
> >
> > Greg
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:52 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
> >
> > i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
> > women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.
> >
> > yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East
> > New
> > > York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
> > >
> > > Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> > > York
> > > beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the
> > old
> > > McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> > mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:43 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
> > >
> > > yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengli

[MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

2009-12-10 Thread tom tomscat

Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.
Hi Rolf,

I dunno if I can wait for ChowdahQ '10 to get one of those, Curt!  :)   Nice 
bit of Holiday whimsy.

Red and white with a bit of piping on the lower edge perhaps something in a 
soft rust tone, to match my color scheme.

Any clever ideas to keep it in place at 80 mph highway speeds?  Green florist 
wire would probably do it. 

:)

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

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LOL. Yeah I'll get one, make it a prize for ChowdaQ 010.

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500
From: Rolf 
Subject: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <4b2124d0.1020...@winmutt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Anyone interested in one of these? One of my tenants manages a crochet 
store, I was going to see if there was enough interest to get a bunch of 
these made. I was thinking in red/offwhite, red/green and blue/offwhite

http://www.m-technik.com/ebay/Bommel5.jpg

Anyone?

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Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D

Given your history, maybe you should just go ahead and buy a couple from 
Rusty?

;-)
At least we can't call you a girlie man!

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on  1981 240D

Wilton, too late, I have ruined them both.  I skipped over your first post 
to write a new request for help, my bad.  I called a friend that had MBs 
in Germany and he thought Rich had it right, so, not wanting to be a 
girlie man, I ...


If the looker buys, I'll knock off some $$$.  How much does a new one 
cost? I bought the one I had from Tim.


Thanks for the responses
Harry
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From: "WILTON" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



I sent the hood star pdf to you 30-45 minutes ago.

Wilton

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To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:36 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


I'm doing something wrong.  How many pieces are there?  I grabbed the 
very bottom of the unit and tugged pretty good without feeling a spring 
action, perhaps I'm being a girlie man with it.

More details please.

Thanks
Harry

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Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:50 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D



Thanks quick Rich, I'll go give that a try.

Harry

- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] R&R Star on 1981 240D


Just get some pliers and pull down the spring fitting under the hood, 
it will stretch the spring and you can remove the little bit that 
holds it against the bottom, then it all just slides out the top.


--R

harry watkins wrote:
Will someone help me through this please?  I made a mess of one I did 
before on an SDL and now I don't have the CD.


What tools to use and the procedures.

Got a looker coming this afternoon.

Thanks
Harry
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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

OK Tom I have a  better idea-we will have ein Bommelmutze contest at the
ChowdahQ-you can start making and  selling them now. And for the record the
240D version only needs to meet 70 mph test for staying on die Stern
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.  
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of tom tomscat
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 5:45 PM
To: mercedes diesel
Subject: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern


Message: 7
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:39:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Curt Raymond 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.
Hi Rolf,

 

I dunno if I can wait for ChowdahQ '10 to get one of those, Curt!  :)   Nice
bit of Holiday whimsy.

 

Red and white with a bit of piping on the lower edge perhaps something
in a soft rust tone, to match my color scheme.

 

Any clever ideas to keep it in place at 80 mph highway speeds?  Green
florist wire would probably do it. 

:)

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

 

 

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LOL. Yeah I'll get one, make it a prize for ChowdaQ 010.
 
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:41:52 -0500
From: Rolf 
Subject: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID: <4b2124d0.1020...@winmutt.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
 
Anyone interested in one of these? One of my tenants manages a crochet 
store, I was going to see if there was enough interest to get a bunch of 
these made. I was thinking in red/offwhite, red/green and blue/offwhite
 
http://www.m-technik.com/ebay/Bommel5.jpg
 
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Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

Thx Ed - appreciate you keeping us aware of new MBs.  My only problem, I 
feel cars should be judged after they have 100K miles or so on them before 
making any judgements about quality.


BTW  - until I actually looked, I would have thought MB would have made much 
in their brochures and advertisements about their quality.   But they seldom 
mention it - at least not in the brochures they publish.  You'd think they 
would shout it from the rooftops - instead, they talk *around* it without 
ever saying anything substantive.


I did research for a guy with a S430 suing MB because the paint was falling 
off his S430 which gave me the opportunity to learn about this twist.


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Subject: [MBZ]  trip to the local dealer


I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a
peek around.  I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who 
don't

have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor.

Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer
models, but looking at the build quality, and attention to fit and finish 
on
the current C, E, and S Class models, it looks like Mercedes has turned 
the
corner, and are now headed back in the right direction.  The previous 
model
S Class was a huge disappointment to me.  My first experience with one, 
was

running my hand along the inside of a door seal, only to have one of the
spot welds cut my finger, which was protruding through the paint!!  Ok, I
thought a one off boo boo, but found the same things on another car!  Hard
to believe that car was made by the same company as the W140 series.  Yeah
yeah, I know the W140 was a fortune to run, and service properly, but it 
was

never meant for the masses, or those on a budget.

The new S is amazing!  Interior fit and finish, feel and look of materials
are all first class.  Not a cheap car, but I'm sure regardless of how much
you spend, if you couldn't find better quality.  The way things are put
together, looks every bit as good as on the Maybachs I've seen.

Caught a peek at the new E Class, in full pavement melting AMG kit.  It 
was

pulling away from teh dealer, and sounded every bit the business!!  Yummy.

They also had a Hybrid S there, and other than exterior badges, I couldn't
tell it from a standard gasser car.  Most Ss here seem to come with the 
AMG

sport package, so regardless of the engine, they all looks a bit sportier
and more aggressive.

They also had a SLR 733 drop top on the floor.  I'm wondering with how 
much
they've depreciated (if you peek on eBay), and the new SLS arriving soon, 
if

ppl are just waiting for the new car, which gives similar performance, but
at a lot less money.

They also had an original Gullwing on the floor which has been there 
awhile,
so maybe it's a company car, or belongs to the guy who owns the 
dealership.

Either way, great looking car, and must have looked like something from
outer space when it first arrived.  Much like the Countach in the 70s.

Well there it is.  Off to remove the snow from the old E, and give it a
quick vacuum.

Happy motoring everyone.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

2009-12-10 Thread Greg Fiorentino

The mugs were a lot bigger than 1/2 pint and a lot cheaper than 2/$4.50 back
then!

Greg

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:37 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

from the wikipedia

Women were not allowed until 1970 when National Organization for
Womenattorneys
Faith Seidenberg and Karen DeCrow took their case to District
Court and won (*Seidenberg v. McSorleys' Old Ale House*). It did so "kicking
and screaming."
[3]

McSorley's serves only two ales, light and dark - $4.50 for two (2009
pricing, each glass is a half pint). The aged artwork, newspaper articles
covering the walls, the sawdust floors, and the Irish waiters and bartenders
help give McSorley's Old Ale House an atmosphere that many consider,
correctly or not, reminiscent of "Olde New York." No piece of memorabilia
has been removed from the walls since 1910. After the New York
Rangerswon the Stanley
Cup  in 1994, they took the cup to
McSorley's and drank out of it; the resulting dent caused the NHL to take
the trophy back for several days.[*citation
needed
*]

Famous people have imbibed at McSorley's, including Abraham
Lincoln,
Teddy Roosevelt , Boss
Tweed,
and Woody Guthrie . Literary
figures like Brendan Behan ,
Paul
Blackburn , LeRoi
Jones,
Gilbert Sorrentino , George
Jean Nathan  have been
cited as regulars.

In his 1923 poem "I was sitting in mcsorley's," poet E. E.
Cummingsdescribed
McSorley's as "the ale which never lets you grow old." He also
described it as he describes the bar as "snug and
evil."[3]
[4] 

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino
wrote:

> I used to go to McSorley's in the mid 60's.  My brother (later my brother
> in
> law also) attended The Cooper Union nearby.  I used to join in their
> "McSorley's Day" celebrations.  No women were there at the time.  They
> served only ale and porter, which I suppose were what we now call
> "microbrew".  It was good stuff.  IIRC they were priced at 2 rather large
> mugs for whatever reasonable amount  The waiters brought them to the
tables
> by grasping all the mug handles with fingers, and I recall that they must
> have had to have enormous hands to carry so many at once.  The
> ancient-looking urinals were the size of upended bathtubs.  The customers
> all seemed to be locals and students rather than tourists.
>
> I suppose success can spoil.
>
> Greg
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:52 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
>
> i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
> women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.
>
> yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino
> wrote:
>
> > I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East
> New
> > York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
> >
> > Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> > York
> > beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the
> old
> > McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
> >
> > Greg
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:43 AM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
> >
> > yeah, i grew up in NYC, where neither Yuengling nor Genessee was
welcome.
> > bars where dominated by the traditional brooklyn beers from mike tyson's
> > old
> > neighborhood, bushwick.  rheingold.  shaeffer.  piels.  i'm sure many of
> > these names exist today, albeit just as brand names as those breweries
> have
> > been gone pretty much forever.  one philadelphia brand, schmidt's, also
> had
> >

Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

2009-12-10 Thread Mitch Haley


Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

And for the record the
240D version only needs to meet 70 mph test for staying on die Stern


I was assuming those were for static display. Velcro perhaps?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling

half pint would be 10oz imperial or 8oz US.  i remember them being about
that size in the 80s, but it's been so long.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Greg Fiorentino wrote:

> The mugs were a lot bigger than 1/2 pint and a lot cheaper than 2/$4.50
> back
> then!
>
> Greg
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:37 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
>
> from the wikipedia
>
> Women were not allowed until 1970 when National Organization for
> Women >attorneys
> Faith Seidenberg and Karen DeCrow took their case to District
> Court and won (*Seidenberg v. McSorleys' Old Ale House*). It did so
> "kicking
> and screaming."
> [3]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McSorley%27s_Old_Ale_House#cite_note-Blasts
> _from_the_Past-2
> >
>
> McSorley's serves only two ales, light and dark - $4.50 for two (2009
> pricing, each glass is a half pint). The aged artwork, newspaper articles
> covering the walls, the sawdust floors, and the Irish waiters and
> bartenders
> help give McSorley's Old Ale House an atmosphere that many consider,
> correctly or not, reminiscent of "Olde New York." No piece of memorabilia
> has been removed from the walls since 1910. After the New York
> Rangerswon the Stanley
> Cup  in 1994, they took the cup
> to
> McSorley's and drank out of it; the resulting dent caused the NHL to take
> the trophy back for several days.[*citation
> needed
> *]
>
> Famous people have imbibed at McSorley's, including Abraham
> Lincoln,
> Teddy Roosevelt , Boss
> Tweed,
> and Woody Guthrie . Literary
> figures like Brendan Behan ,
> Paul
> Blackburn , LeRoi
> Jones,
> Gilbert Sorrentino ,
> George
> Jean Nathan  have been
> cited as regulars.
>
> In his 1923 poem "I was sitting in mcsorley's," poet E. E.
> Cummingsdescribed
> McSorley's as "the ale which never lets you grow old." He also
> described it as he describes the bar as "snug and
> evil."[3]<
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McSorley%27s_Old_Ale_House#cite_note-
> Blasts_from_the_Past-2>
> [4] 
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Greg Fiorentino
> wrote:
>
> > I used to go to McSorley's in the mid 60's.  My brother (later my brother
> > in
> > law also) attended The Cooper Union nearby.  I used to join in their
> > "McSorley's Day" celebrations.  No women were there at the time.  They
> > served only ale and porter, which I suppose were what we now call
> > "microbrew".  It was good stuff.  IIRC they were priced at 2 rather large
> > mugs for whatever reasonable amount  The waiters brought them to the
> tables
> > by grasping all the mug handles with fingers, and I recall that they must
> > have had to have enormous hands to carry so many at once.  The
> > ancient-looking urinals were the size of upended bathtubs.  The customers
> > all seemed to be locals and students rather than tourists.
> >
> > I suppose success can spoil.
> >
> > Greg
> > -Original Message-
> > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 1:52 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
> >
> > i found mcsorley vastly overrated and most for the tourists.  i believe
> > women were banned until a very late date, or so went the legend.
> >
> > yes, and i am corrected.  it was brownsville that was home of tyson.
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Greg Fiorentino
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I believe Tyson's neighborhood was Bed Sty, Brownsville and maybe East
> > New
> > > York (where I spent my childhood), but not Bushwick.
> > >
> > > Those old-style Brooklyn beers sure were awful.  The only old-style New
> > > York
> > > beers that were any good were the Ale or Porter that were served at the
> > old
> > > McSorley's!  Their sandwiches were great too.
> > >
> > > Greg
> > >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:
> > mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> > > On Behalf Of Gary Hurst
> > > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:4

Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

Hi Larry,

I still dream about an old 6.3.  I know Jay Leno has one with over 300,000
on the clock, and says it still drives tighter than most cars with less than
50,000.  I haven't driven my old E300 for awhile, but took it for a spin the
other night, and forgot just how solid it is.  It has over 350,000 km on the
clock, and drives WAY tighter than a minivan I just bought which now has
40,000 km on the clock.  Ok, I know an apple and orange comparison, but
still, always amazes me how Mercedes managed to build them so solid!

To me, nothing spells confidence in a product, like a good warranty.  I
think Mercedes has the quality back, but as you say, it's the long term
performance that really speaks to a products quality.  I'd like to see
Mercedes get behind their products a bit more, and show their faith in what
they make, by offering longer warranties.  After all, they are asking us to
part with a good chunk of change for a new one!

S430I'm sure Mercedes would prefer to forget about that whole period in
their history. hee hee.

Take care Larry.

Ed


2009/12/10 LarryT 

> Thx Ed - appreciate you keeping us aware of new MBs.  My only problem, I
> feel cars should be judged after they have 100K miles or so on them before
> making any judgements about quality.
>
> BTW  - until I actually looked, I would have thought MB would have made
> much in their brochures and advertisements about their quality.   But they
> seldom mention it - at least not in the brochures they publish.  You'd think
> they would shout it from the rooftops - instead, they talk *around* it
> without ever saying anything substantive.
>
> I did research for a guy with a S430 suing MB because the paint was falling
> off his S430 which gave me the opportunity to learn about this twist.
>
> LarryT
> 91 300D
>
> OilAnalysis Time?
> Looking for Weber Parts or Porsche Posters?
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>
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>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 2:12 PM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
>
> Subject: [MBZ]  trip to the local dealer
>
>  I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for a
>> peek around.  I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who
>> don't
>> have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor.
>>
>> Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer
>> models, but looking at the build quality, and attention to fit and finish
>> on
>> the current C, E, and S Class models, it looks like Mercedes has turned
>> the
>> corner, and are now headed back in the right direction.  The previous
>> model
>> S Class was a huge disappointment to me.  My first experience with one,
>> was
>> running my hand along the inside of a door seal, only to have one of the
>> spot welds cut my finger, which was protruding through the paint!!  Ok, I
>> thought a one off boo boo, but found the same things on another car!  Hard
>> to believe that car was made by the same company as the W140 series.  Yeah
>> yeah, I know the W140 was a fortune to run, and service properly, but it
>> was
>> never meant for the masses, or those on a budget.
>>
>> The new S is amazing!  Interior fit and finish, feel and look of materials
>> are all first class.  Not a cheap car, but I'm sure regardless of how much
>> you spend, if you couldn't find better quality.  The way things are put
>> together, looks every bit as good as on the Maybachs I've seen.
>>
>> Caught a peek at the new E Class, in full pavement melting AMG kit.  It
>> was
>> pulling away from teh dealer, and sounded every bit the business!!  Yummy.
>>
>> They also had a Hybrid S there, and other than exterior badges, I couldn't
>> tell it from a standard gasser car.  Most Ss here seem to come with the
>> AMG
>> sport package, so regardless of the engine, they all looks a bit sportier
>> and more aggressive.
>>
>> They also had a SLR 733 drop top on the floor.  I'm wondering with how
>> much
>> they've depreciated (if you peek on eBay), and the new SLS arriving soon,
>> if
>> ppl are just waiting for the new car, which gives similar performance, but
>> at a lot less money.
>>
>> They also had an original Gullwing on the floor which has been there
>> awhile,
>> so maybe it's a company car, or belongs to the guy who owns the
>> dealership.
>> Either way, great looking car, and must have looked like something from
>> outer space when it first arrived.  Much like the Countach in the 70s.
>>
>> Well there it is.  Off to remove the snow from the old E, and give it a
>> quick vacuum.
>>
>> Happy motoring everyone.
>>
>> Ed
>> 300E
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 49, Issue 67

2009-12-10 Thread tom tomscat


Hi Jaime,

 

He may have been referring to what is popularly known as a "Black and Tan".  
Yuengling made one with that name.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tan

 

I am familiar with it as Guinness over Bass Ale, but there are a number of 
variations, as the article states.  Certainly worth a trip to treat your uncle 
to a few of those! 

 

Cheers, and make mine Guinness!

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

 

 

 

 

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:43:03 -0500
From: Jaime Kopchinski 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] beer question -- yuengling
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
 
My uncle, who is generally an encyclopedia when it comes to most of the
experiences in his life, has told me about this place. He lived in the
village in the early 60s and has all sorts of bizarre stories from the
perspective of a struggling jazz musician. He has spoke of the "light and
dark, or any mixture of the two" beer frequently. I guess I'll have to take
him there so he can share more of his vivid memory.
 
Jaime

  
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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up

2009-12-10 Thread Peter Frederick


W124 windshields are glued in, don't have a gasket.

Peter

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[MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

2009-12-10 Thread tom tomscat


Hi Dwight,

 

Make them  Surely you jest!  I was figuring to commission Rolf to enlist 
the services of his crochet shop manager.  

 

As to the highway speed,  I have had the 300D up to 85mph, ... and it still had 
some more... but I never really wanted to push it past that... it's only 83 
horses, or so I think, and nearly 35 years old now.  I didn't want to tempt 
fate.  

 

BTW, I just dropped it off at a local MB mechanic who works out of his house... 
to hopefully get his insight and expertise to address the oil consumption 
issue.  Recommended by a W123 fella I know. good W115 guys are few and far 
between these days.  My previous guy is down after having a stroke.

 

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

 

 

 

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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:00:46 -0500
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
 
OK Tom I have a better idea-we will have ein Bommelmutze contest at the
ChowdahQ-you can start making and selling them now. And for the record the
240D version only needs to meet 70 mph test for staying on die Stern
Dwight 
 
Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI

  
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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern.

2009-12-10 Thread Redghost


Yeah, I would.  That would just crack people up to see on Gump

clay

On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:41 AM, Rolf wrote:

Anyone interested in one of these? One of my tenants manages a  
crochet store, I was going to see if there was enough interest to  
get a bunch of these made. I was thinking in red/offwhite, red/green  
and blue/offwhite


http://www.m-technik.com/ebay/Bommel5.jpg

Anyone?

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[MBZ] Transmission swap

2009-12-10 Thread MG

OK I've got a question. Is the transmission from an 81 300SD the 
same as the one in an 64 300TD? I have one that is non working in 
a good body and the other that works but the car isn't worth 
spitting on.


BTW Bill if you need a blinker switch for your SD I just happen 
to have access to one that works as well as the blinker box 
itself. Let me know if you might be interested.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] 240D water pump?

No, it's not a big job. Pretty straight forward, best I remember.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Looks like Andrew might be right, the coolant leak on my 240D has
> accelerated. Could be I need a water pump.
> I'm mentally preparing, I haven't actually looked yet, but is it a big job?
> Does the radiator have to come out? What about the fan?
>
>
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> others.
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>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB

When I replaced the wiring harness in a bug-eyed Sprite, we let the body
scrape insulation off the wires as we pulled them from front to back for
that authentic touch.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:

> I'm installing a new [MGB] wiring harness and it's "interesting"
>> trying to get everything in the right place.
>>
>
> So, how do you ensure that the new harness exhibits all
> of the delightful characteristics one expects in a MG?
> Got some special corrosion paste for the connectors?
>
> -- Jim
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
> The Devil's Dictionary
> Ambrose Bierce
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer


Hi Ed,
Excellent post - re the MB warranty -- you'd think that if the Koreans can 
warranty their products for 10 years & 100K miles, MB should be able match 
it.


Of course, maybe I'm speaking too soon - how long is the MB full warranty?

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Hi Larry,

I still dream about an old 6.3.  I know Jay Leno has one with over 300,000
on the clock, and says it still drives tighter than most cars with less 
than
50,000.  I haven't driven my old E300 for awhile, but took it for a spin 
the
other night, and forgot just how solid it is.  It has over 350,000 km on 
the

clock, and drives WAY tighter than a minivan I just bought which now has
40,000 km on the clock.  Ok, I know an apple and orange comparison, but
still, always amazes me how Mercedes managed to build them so solid!

To me, nothing spells confidence in a product, like a good warranty.  I
think Mercedes has the quality back, but as you say, it's the long term
performance that really speaks to a products quality.  I'd like to see
Mercedes get behind their products a bit more, and show their faith in 
what
they make, by offering longer warranties.  After all, they are asking us 
to

part with a good chunk of change for a new one!

S430I'm sure Mercedes would prefer to forget about that whole period 
in

their history. hee hee.

Take care Larry.

Ed


2009/12/10 LarryT 


Thx Ed - appreciate you keeping us aware of new MBs.  My only problem, I
feel cars should be judged after they have 100K miles or so on them 
before

making any judgements about quality.

BTW  - until I actually looked, I would have thought MB would have made
much in their brochures and advertisements about their quality.   But 
they
seldom mention it - at least not in the brochures they publish.  You'd 
think

they would shout it from the rooftops - instead, they talk *around* it
without ever saying anything substantive.

I did research for a guy with a S430 suing MB because the paint was 
falling

off his S430 which gave me the opportunity to learn about this twist.

LarryT
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Subject: [MBZ]  trip to the local dealer

 I was in the area, so stopped off at one of my local dealers today, for 
a

peek around.  I do these little dealer showroom updates for those who
don't
have a dealer nearby to see what's new on the floor.

Anyway, I know there's isn't a lot of interest on the list with newer
models, but looking at the build quality, and attention to fit and 
finish

on
the current C, E, and S Class models, it looks like Mercedes has turned
the
corner, and are now headed back in the right direction.  The previous
model
S Class was a huge disappointment to me.  My first experience with one,
was
running my hand along the inside of a door seal, only to have one of the
spot welds cut my finger, which was protruding through the paint!!  Ok, 
I
thought a one off boo boo, but found the same things on another car! 
Hard
to believe that car was made by the same company as the W140 series. 
Yeah

yeah, I know the W140 was a fortune to run, and service properly, but it
was
never meant for the masses, or those on a budget.

The new S is amazing!  Interior fit and finish, feel and look of 
materials
are all first class.  Not a cheap car, but I'm sure regardless of how 
much

you spend, if you couldn't find better quality.  The way things are put
together, looks every bit as good as on the Maybachs I've seen.

Caught a peek at the new E Class, in full pavement melting AMG kit.  It
was
pulling away from teh dealer, and sounded every bit the business!! 
Yummy.


They also had a Hybrid S there, and other than exterior badges, I 
couldn't

tell it from a standard gasser car.  Most Ss here seem to come with the
AMG
sport package, so regardless of the engine, they all looks a bit 
sportier

and more aggressive.

They also had a SLR 733 drop top on the floor.  I'm wondering with how
much
they've depreciated (if you peek on eBay), and the new SLS arriving 
soon,

if
ppl are just waiting for the new car, which gives similar performance, 
but

at a lot less money.

They also had an original Gullwing on the floor which has been there
awhile,
so maybe it's a company car, or belongs to the guy who owns the
dealership.
Either way, great looking car, and must have looked like something from
outer space when it first arrived.  Much like the Countach in the 70s.

Well there it is.  Off to remove the snow from the old E, and give it a
quick vacuum.

Happy motoring everyone.

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up

And don't let anyone tell you, Elmer's White Glue, is good enough. ;-) hee
hee

Ed
300E

2009/12/10 Peter Frederick 

> W124 windshields are glued in, don't have a gasket.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB


Oh, Yeah - great idea!  Just like the Brits!

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When I replaced the wiring harness in a bug-eyed Sprite, we let the body
scrape insulation off the wires as we pulled them from front to back for
that authentic touch.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:04 AM, Jim Cathey  wrote:


I'm installing a new [MGB] wiring harness and it's "interesting"

trying to get everything in the right place.



So, how do you ensure that the new harness exhibits all
of the delightful characteristics one expects in a MG?
Got some special corrosion paste for the connectors?

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB

2009-12-10 Thread Wonko the Sane

I think I owned the only electrically-perfect MGB that ever rolled off of
the assembly line.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:42 PM, LarryT  wrote:

> Good point Jim,
> Yeah, the corrosion promoting grease helps, but I also randomly cut some
> wires, leave others unplugged and mis identify a few just for fun.   Plus,
> my supply of genuine MGB electrical smoke because all of mine was used up.
>
> That'll make the whole experience "LBC-like" ;-)   (for those of you not
> familiar with the term LBC - it's Little British Car).
>
> LarryT
> 66 MGB
>
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>
>
> --
> From: "Jim Cathey" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 10:04 AM
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: MGB
>
>
>  I'm installing a new [MGB] wiring harness and it's "interesting"
>>> trying to get everything in the right place.
>>>
>>
>> So, how do you ensure that the new harness exhibits all
>> of the delightful characteristics one expects in a MG?
>> Got some special corrosion paste for the connectors?
>>
>> -- Jim
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

Well that would still work for a 240D.

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
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1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
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Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:
> And for the record the
> 240D version only needs to meet 70 mph test for staying on die Stern

I was assuming those were for static display. Velcro perhaps?

Mitch.

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[MBZ] Coolant loss

Took a look at my 240D tonight to see if I can figure out where the coolant 
loss is occuring. I filled it back up and went for a spin to warm it up. When I 
got back the only place I could definitely see coolant is from the overflow 
tube. I'd filled it right to the top so a little overflow seems quite normal to 
me.

This evening after work when I checked it it was down below the top of the 
tubes and on the way to work the cabin heat wouldn't heat until the engine 
fully reached operating temp which is a standard sign on this car that the 
coolant was low. It needed about 2 quarts to be filled.

I have 2 suspects:
#1 the radiator cap. I replaced it in '04 I think, maybe '03. It looks fine 
but...

#2 the little stub hose under the thermostat housing. It looks quite 
suspicious. IIRC its a strange size, anybody know it? The one there is really 
nasty, years of oil dripping on it haven't done it any favors...

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

That was a low blow! (but sometimes the truth hurts).

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:29 PM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote:

> Well that would still work for a 240D.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Coolant loss

I've had the best luck finding leaks by filling the system, getting the
engine up to operating temp, and looking for the stream of water while the
engine is still running.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Took a look at my 240D tonight to see if I can figure out where the coolant
> loss is occuring. I filled it back up and went for a spin to warm it up.
> When I got back the only place I could definitely see coolant is from the
> overflow tube. I'd filled it right to the top so a little overflow seems
> quite normal to me.
>
> This evening after work when I checked it it was down below the top of the
> tubes and on the way to work the cabin heat wouldn't heat until the engine
> fully reached operating temp which is a standard sign on this car that the
> coolant was low. It needed about 2 quarts to be filled.
>
> I have 2 suspects:
> #1 the radiator cap. I replaced it in '04 I think, maybe '03. It looks fine
> but...
>
> #2 the little stub hose under the thermostat housing. It looks quite
> suspicious. IIRC its a strange size, anybody know it? The one there is
> really nasty, years of oil dripping on it haven't done it any favors...
>
> -Curt
>
>
> --
> OK Don
> CONSERVATIVE, n.  A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as
> distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with
> others.
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>
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Re: [MBZ] warranty

2009-12-10 Thread relngson

> ..Hi Ed,
> Excellent post - re the MB warranty -- you'd think that if the Koreans can
> warranty their products for 10 years & 100K miles, MB should be able match
> it.
> 
> Of course, maybe I'm speaking too soon - how long is the MB full warranty?
> 
> LarryT..
> 
I think what you need to do is find exactly what those 100K warranties 
cover because there is no way in hell it's everything, unlike the MB 4/50 
coverage. And, my '08 W204 has been so reliable that I'm not going to bother 
with 
extending the factory coverage when it expires. And who could stand to drive 
a Kia for ten years anyway?

RLE

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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

Au Contraire!
Maybe you're babied little ride doesn't do 80 but my 240D has been flogged up 
to the redline (86mph) and held there many many times, sometimes for an hour or 
more at a time. ;)

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:00:46 -0500
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
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Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="iso-8859-1"

OK Tom I have a  better idea-we will have ein Bommelmutze contest at the
ChowdahQ-you can start making and  selling them now. And for the record the
240D version only needs to meet 70 mph test for staying on die Stern
Dwight 

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.? 
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI

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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

2009-12-10 Thread Rolf Martin-Hoster

And then there was a hill.I love the 240D. Some article was titled how 
to be modest for $21,000 (in 80s money) and I think that is one of the 
best descriptions I have heard of the line. I might get one for commuting.


-Rolf

Curt Raymond wrote:

Au Contraire!
Maybe you're babied little ride doesn't do 80 but my 240D has been flogged up 
to the redline (86mph) and held there many many times, sometimes for an hour or 
more at a time. ;)
  



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Re: [MBZ] Black and Tan

ACH! Tom Nooo!

Its Guinness and HARP! Bass is English beer...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:13:31 -0500
From: tom tomscat 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 49, Issue 67
To: mercedes diesel 
Message-ID: 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi Jaime,

He may have been referring to what is popularly known as a "Black and Tan".  
Yuengling made one with that name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_and_Tan

I
am familiar with it as Guinness over Bass Ale, but there are a number
of variations, as the article states.  Certainly worth a trip to treat
your uncle to a few of those! 

Cheers, and make mine Guinness!

Tom Schuch

SE Connecticut

1975 W115 300D

and a bunch of BMWs

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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up

As is the W201

-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:30:27 -0600
From: Peter Frederick 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
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W124 windshields are glued in, don't have a gasket.

Peter


  
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[MBZ] OT scandisk and defrag

2009-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

Does anybody know of any free scandisk and defrag programs that would be 
better than what comes with windows?


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Re: [MBZ] Coolant loss

That was exactly my plan, unfortunately the leak didn't agree with the plan!

I also thought maybe it was leaking when it sat so I waited until after dinner 
to have a look thinking it might have left a puddle but it didn't...

-Curt

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 20:41:04 -0600
From: OK Don 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Coolant loss
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I've had the best luck finding leaks by filling the system, getting the
engine up to operating temp, and looking for the stream of water while the
engine is still running.

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 8:30 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:

> Took a look at my 240D tonight to see if I can figure out where the coolant
> loss is occuring. I filled it back up and went for a spin to warm it up.
> When I got back the only place I could definitely see coolant is from the
> overflow tube. I'd filled it right to the top so a little overflow seems
> quite normal to me.
>
> This evening after work when I checked it it was down below the top of the
> tubes and on the way to work the cabin heat wouldn't heat until the engine
> fully reached operating temp which is a standard sign on this car that the
> coolant was low. It needed about 2 quarts to be filled.
>
> I have 2 suspects:
> #1 the radiator cap. I replaced it in '04 I think, maybe '03. It looks fine
> but...
>
> #2 the little stub hose under the thermostat housing. It looks quite
> suspicious. IIRC its a strange size, anybody know it? The one there is
> really nasty, years of oil dripping on it haven't done it any favors...
>
> -Curt


  
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Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern

2009-12-10 Thread Redghost

I am able to get Gump to her redline of 85mph.  Will get there some  
more once the parts I ordered from Rusty arrive.  Any day now... and  
the arctic air  goes away


clay

On Dec 10, 2009, at 6:56 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:


Au Contraire!
Maybe you're babied little ride doesn't do 80 but my 240D has been  
flogged up to the redline (86mph) and held there many many times,  
sometimes for an hour or more at a time. ;)


Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:00:46 -0500
From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bommelmutze fur deine Stern
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
Message-ID: <009701ca79ec$9bd12c20$d37384...@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset="iso-8859-1"

OK Tom I have a  better idea-we will have ein Bommelmutze contest at  
the
ChowdahQ-you can start making and  selling them now. And for the  
record the

240D version only needs to meet 70 mph test for staying on die Stern
Dwight

Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles.?
1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles.
Wickford, RI




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Re: [MBZ] OT scandisk and defrag

2009-12-10 Thread Rick Knoble


From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Does anybody know of any free scandisk and defrag programs that would be 
better than what comes with windows?


http://www.techsupportalert.com/

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-disk-de-fragmenter.htm

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-disk-health-monitoring-utility.htm

Rick 



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Re: [MBZ] Coolant loss

2009-12-10 Thread Peter Frederick

Best to use a pressure tester, as many leaks only happen when there  
is pressure in the system.


Check the radiator cap, and seat, but likely if you loose coolant  
this time of year it's not a poorly sealing cap.  Won't get hot  
enough to fully pressurize (or boil).


Look in the BOTTOM weep hole on the water pump for coolant.  Never  
shows up on top unless the shaft is clanking, and it will often only  
leak while the engine is running -- static pressure from the fan belt  
tends to seal the leak.  You can lose a LOT of coolant without  
leaving a puddle when you park.


Oil on the hoses or green coolant will make them fail -- soft and  
mushy with oil and serious shrinkage from the green coolant.


If you have a plastic radiator tank, suspect the hot side hose  
nipple.  Replace the rad if it's cracked, they don't repair worth a  
d..n.


Peter

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Re: [MBZ] Transmission swap

2009-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin

I assume you mean 84 TD.  Its the same transmission but will require the 
back plate be swapped, the TD has speedo cable, SD has electronic.


MG wrote:
OK I've got a question. Is the transmission from an 81 300SD the same 
as the one in an 64 300TD? I have one that is non working in a good 
body and the other that works but the car isn't worth spitting on.


BTW Bill if you need a blinker switch for your SD I just happen to 
have access to one that works as well as the blinker box itself. Let 
me know if you might be interested.


Manfred

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Re: [MBZ] OT scandisk and defrag

2009-12-10 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


thanks

Rick Knoble wrote:

From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
Does anybody know of any free scandisk and defrag programs that would 
be better than what comes with windows?


http://www.techsupportalert.com/

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-disk-de-fragmenter.htm

http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-disk-health-monitoring-utility.htm 



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Re: [MBZ] OT scandisk and defrag

2009-12-10 Thread Walt Zarnoch

I've been using MyDefrag(formerly JKDefrag) for the past few years,
never had any issue with it and it works great. It's free, expandable,
and you can set it to do an optimizing restructuring of the data(moves
frequently used files and startup files around to gain better
performance, instead of just compacting them wherever and causing
unecisary disk seek)
One of my favorite features is the screensaver defrag, you just set it
and forget it, and whenever your screensaver kicks in it starts a
defrag, and once the screensaver stops it pauses and resumes later
when it kicks in again. Once it's completed, it waits another 24 hours
before starting another cycle.

I'd suggest to run the "monthly defrag" option first, and have the
scheduled weekly defrag and the screensaver based daily one to
maintain.

It uses the Microsoft approved functions to defrag so it's just as
safe to run as the MS one.

You can get it at http://www.mydefrag.com

My $0.02

Walt

On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:10 PM, Rick Knoble  wrote:
> From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 
>>
>> Does anybody know of any free scandisk and defrag programs that would be
>> better than what comes with windows?
>
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/
>
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-disk-de-fragmenter.htm
>
> http://www.techsupportalert.com/best-free-disk-health-monitoring-utility.htm
>
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] 240D water pump?

2009-12-10 Thread Russ Williams


Curt,

Not too bad of a job. I've done it twice on SWMBO's 240 and once on my 240.
Reason doing hers twice is I used a McParts W/P the first time it lasted 
2 years
before it started to puke H2O from the bearing, Stealership and My Indy 
didn't

have one in stock and Wifey needed the car the next day.
Both cars now have a Gerba pump in them now 21/2 years on wifeys and 4 
years on mine.


You don't have to remove the radiator.
Un-clip the shroud slide it towards the block. 13MM geared box wrench to 
remove the 4
bolts that hold the fan to the shaft. Mark the spacer so you put it back 
on the right
way. If you reverse it the fan will bolt up but be cock-eyed. 5 10MM?? 
bolts.

Order a gasket when you order the pump.

Have Fun
Russ W.
Still looking for a Manny Tranny for My 240

Curt Raymond wrote:

Looks like Andrew might be right, the coolant leak on my 240D has accelerated. 
Could be I need a water pump.
I'm mentally preparing, I haven't actually looked yet, but is it a big job? 
Does the radiator have to come out? What about the fan?

Rusty lists Geba and Laso with the Laso being ~$20 more expensive. Both look to 
have metal blades on the pump...
This is my $400 240D, if the Geba isn't total crap I'll probably go for it.


-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] trip to the local dealer

2009-12-10 Thread John Robbins


LarryT wrote:
Thx Ed - appreciate you keeping us aware of new MBs.  My only problem, I 
feel cars should be judged after they have 100K miles or so on them 
before making any judgements about quality.


My 2005 CDI has 101k on it.  Still drives fantastic! :)  The fit and 
finish is still excellent, as is the engine.  The only thing outside of 
normal wear items (brakes, etc) is the thermostat @ 67k (stuck open), 
and a few months ago the plastic piece that ratchets the parking brake 
broke.


The battery might be getting iffy, which for a normal battery would be 
very reasonable.  However, the car comes with an AGM battery that is 
supposed to last longer.  Unfortunately, it is extremely expensive... as 
in... ~$250!!!


The only rattle I have is the lid for the storage compartment under the 
front of the passenger seat.  It only happens occasionally, and is 
easily stopped with a quick tap.


My $.02

John

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Re: [MBZ] windshield replacement - follow-up


Almost easier to list the ones that are _not_ glued in:

114/115, 123.  (And probably the older ones,
such as 108, 110, 113, etc.)

Glued:

107, 124, 126, 201, probably all newer.

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] Coolant loss