Re: [MBZ] Taxi!!
I've had it happen a couple times locally. The driver can bet in trouble, and the company has to send another cab or demand that that driver come back and take the fare. Of course, it's not too fun riding around with a woman/man who doesn't really want you in their cab! There are so many of us with guide dogs in the area which helps, but it's more likely to happen when in another town. Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi!!
Kevin Kraly wrote: No take no dog in my cab! Bye bye! But, he's a guide...vrm! Is Kevin stranded somewhere? Does the Americans with Disabilities Act ban cabbies from discriminating against blind dudes? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
http://www.cdr-system.com/resources/training.html#analyst On 7/14/2010 8:25 PM, Allan Streib wrote: I think I recall reading that the data recorder unit is more or less autonomous, but it was NEVER intended to be used for post-crash forensics e.g. like an airliner flight data recorder. It was put there more there to help Toyota diagnose maintenance and reliability issues over time. I don't recall the source now, however, so I can't cite anything to back this up. Allan Peter Frederick writes: Of course, the data is suspect if it's being recorded by a computer that is the subject of inquiry. After all, if the brake lights aren't run by a simple switch, but operated by the computer like the ignition, they wouldn't be on, would they? The data should only be used for this inquiry if it is recorded completely separately by another device, not the main CPU. I would suggest that someone needs to determine if the computer will record bogus data before depending on it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
From my understanding the 500E is three times the car a 300E is, don't forget about the Porsche input and yes once again us peasants in the RH drive world miss out on the good stuff, we're stuck with British exotics like the XJS and Japanese rice burners. Speaking of which, look at his http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=10689 I gave him a telling off. Although in some states the rules for LH cars is different http://ozbenz.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=10462&start=0&hilit=500E Hendrik with a relatively slow 300TE Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: 5. Very fast car -- way too fast for me. Now imagine the same car, but twice as fast, and you will understand why 500Es are so desirable. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi!!
No take no dog in my cab! Bye bye! But, he's a guide...vrm! Kevin in Hillsboro, Oregon ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 56, Issue 53
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Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Hmmm - then I should sell my 190D and 300E there? On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > OK Don writes: > > > They are selling fro between $1500 and $2000 around here. > > I was on the OK craigslist today trying to see if he had it listed; cars > sure seem to be selling for less out there compareed to what people are > asking here. Maybe next time I need a car i should buy it in OK. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 56, Issue 53
Did anybody else get this funky digest?
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Re: [MBZ] ASCII
They're all ASCII charactors - just a matter of which ones. I haven't seen any that didn't form recognizable English though --- On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: > its you > > > LWB250 wrote: > >> Is it me, or are some of the list messages coming through as a bunch of >> ASCII characters? >> >> Dan >> > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks / ASCII Characters
It came through as normal text on Gmail -- except the example LWB250 forwarded. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: > Ho, now THAT's fun! > > I do have a mac, but I don't think you should be getting text with the high > bit set! > > Anyone else getting hash from me? > > Peter -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
OK Don writes: > They are selling fro between $1500 and $2000 around here. I was on the OK craigslist today trying to see if he had it listed; cars sure seem to be selling for less out there compareed to what people are asking here. Maybe next time I need a car i should buy it in OK. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Nope - the 123 was the start of the down-hill side. They didn't even try to make the star mount look like a fake radiator cap! On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Donald Snook wrote: > Ok Don wrote: "I understand - it's hard to bond with a car that doesn't go > clatta clatta > --- however, it's hard not to appreciate a 124 once you get over it's > appearance." > > I like the looks of the 124. AND the best looking years of the 124 were > the 94 and 95. I definitely think my 95 E320 is the best looking 124 (I do > think the 124 Convertibles are very nice, too). > > But, I know you are a purist. There is something very classic about the > 123. It is just so hard to find them in good cosmetic condition anymore. > Of course, they are getting to be 30 years old. > > > Donald H. Snook > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
They are selling fro between $1500 and $2000 around here. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 3:48 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: > Haven't established a price yet. Not sure what a fair value would be. > > I will try to upload some pics, or maybe set my web site back up, hopefully > this evening. > > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
We can agree on the 126, then I like the 115 and 107. The 124 is OK from the front and side. The rear is almost offensive, but I suspect the aerodynamics are part of the design -- Note that I own three of them now, so it's not THAT bad :-) On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:52 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:20 AM, OK Don wrote: > > > it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get over it's > > appearance. > > > > > > Them's fightin' words! I'd rather look at a 124 than a 123 any day (and a > 126 rather than a 116, even one with Euro bumpers). > > Alex > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks / ASCII Characters
Ho, now THAT's fun! I do have a mac, but I don't think you should be getting text with the high bit set! Anyone else getting hash from me? Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ponton anyone?
http://louisville.craigslist.org/cto/1840898155.html It's a 6-cylinder; not sure if the price is reasonable considering it's been sitting for 10 years. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Who needs a deuce and a half?
http://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/1843518442.html -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Email messed up?
there is nothing there indicating our end bounced it back, it looks to me like it never left your end. Allan Streib wrote: Maybe has someting to do with these sorts of messages I get from time to time: Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 0 second(s): * mercedes@okiebenz.com Reporting-MTA: dns; qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243] Received-From-MTA: dns; omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.59] Arrival-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:19:01 + Final-recipient: rfc822; mercedes@okiebenz.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.2 Service denied, closing transmission channel Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:19:01 + I'm not sure if that's a problem internal to comcast, or a denial from Kalebs email provider. Allan Mitch Haley writes: Rich Thomas wrote: I just got 60 emails in a big slug, some going back to 8:30 this morning. I have noticed some of mine show up quickly while others take hours. Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? It happens to me on occasion with Core.com. My favorite is when my mail goes dead for a day and a half, they tell me its fixed and all delayed mail has been delivered, but I search the archives and find 30 hours of list messages that never got to me. It's bad enough that I've subscribed to cell phone text alerts from all my banks in case they send me an email and corecomm trashes it for me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3005 - Release Date: 07/14/10 13:36:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
I think I recall reading that the data recorder unit is more or less autonomous, but it was NEVER intended to be used for post-crash forensics e.g. like an airliner flight data recorder. It was put there more there to help Toyota diagnose maintenance and reliability issues over time. I don't recall the source now, however, so I can't cite anything to back this up. Allan Peter Frederick writes: > Of course, the data is suspect if it's being recorded by a computer > that is the subject of inquiry. After all, if the brake lights > aren't run by a simple switch, but operated by the computer like the > ignition, they wouldn't be on, would they? > > The data should only be used for this inquiry if it is recorded > completely separately by another device, not the main CPU. > > I would suggest that someone needs to determine if the computer will > record bogus data before depending on it. > > Peter > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Email messed up?
its just you Rich Thomas wrote: I just got 60 emails in a big slug, some going back to 8:30 this morning. I have noticed some of mine show up quickly while others take hours. Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3004 - Release Date: 07/14/10 01:36:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Email messed up?
Maybe has someting to do with these sorts of messages I get from time to time: Delivery to the following recipients was aborted after 0 second(s): * mercedes@okiebenz.com Reporting-MTA: dns; qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.243] Received-From-MTA: dns; omta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.59] Arrival-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:19:01 + Final-recipient: rfc822; mercedes@okiebenz.com Action: failed Status: 5.1.1 Diagnostic-Code: smtp; 554 5.7.2 Service denied, closing transmission channel Last-attempt-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 00:19:01 + I'm not sure if that's a problem internal to comcast, or a denial from Kalebs email provider. Allan Mitch Haley writes: > Rich Thomas wrote: >> I just got 60 emails in a big slug, some going back to 8:30 this >> morning. I have noticed some of mine show up quickly while others >> take hours. Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? > > It happens to me on occasion with Core.com. My favorite is when my > mail goes dead for a day and a half, they tell me its fixed and all > delayed mail has been delivered, but I search the archives and find 30 > hours of list messages that never got to me. It's bad enough that I've > subscribed to cell phone text alerts from all my banks in case they > send me an email and corecomm trashes it for me. > > Mitch. > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ASCII
its you LWB250 wrote: Is it me, or are some of the list messages coming through as a bunch of ASCII characters? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3004 - Release Date: 07/14/10 01:36:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender?
its been deleted Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1822968071.html A Euro W140 SD? What would be the engine number - OMxxx? Thanks. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.830 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3004 - Release Date: 07/14/10 01:36:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 94 S500, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] First Year Attorney Tries to Get Me...
Donald will probably enjoy this... I put my 1994 Yamaha VX1100 Virago on CL last week. Got the usual window shoppers, even the requisite, "I'm on disability, and as soon as I get my next check I'll come and buy it" responses. Anyway, a nice young man (who is a first year practicing attorney) came by on Sunday and spent a fair amount of time looking at it and talking with me about it. He decided to buy it, and offered me a $400 deposit to keep it until this weekend, when he could make arrangements to get it. During our discussion, he asked me the price, which I said I would give him the lowest price I had advertised, the amount which I stated, as I had top posted several times with incrementally higher prices each time to fool the CL bots, and he couldn't recall which ad he had seen. Anyway, I got an email from him today saying he couldn't recall what my asking price was, and that he would offer me about $200 below the price I had listed on CL. Right. I sent him a very nice reply, reviewing the statements I made regarding the price and that he did nothing to acknowledge anything different, and then went about giving me a deposit. As far as I'm considered, it was a deal. But, in the interest of fairness, I would be happy to refund his deposit and call off the deal. It will be interesting to see what his response is. I gotta give him credit for trying. One of the best things about selling stuff is when you have a good price and refuse to drop it. I guess because the economy is so lousy and many people are desperate for money, they'll haggle. It's like going to buy a car and being willing to walk away. Drives people nuts, I think I love it! Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks / ASCII Characters
Maybe it's just Peter's mail Dan --- On Wed, 7/14/10, Peter Frederick wrote: > From: Peter Frederick > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 6:46 PM > x�UM‹Ý8¼ûWô-»03ïžÛn > ÇÈ,!§Ð¶ÛOš'«}<ãüú–�ì°ÈÀÀ`©««ºª5ÏN²ã·È]2ºEÝ"%õ±Ò…ö¡á\#U'EèÚöò4ï}.•8δh–UK} > ¦1ëMPž¥«Ê¼,tçpG‹”}¼ÒæC ‰°h`štMAªPÐÒ;ª?žˆ>éQñ|ÎÞÀ/•|,~6p£ÔÖDD¥¬•«c𷃫p.Ä¡:mW×?åµåXþ„š/ÚhåwŠ’cà3mš�Ð*uB†íò•6.µB[ > <Éü`€»iÉßT > þfåKüÞ�0_ì :®´¶É¡´hf“‰o¾ît...@Ù@ŒÞ9™nö}eÀõaî > 9«!u†UqhhÆo±bÜ6¹-%É$°††ÇG*ºÂ¾>‰•.?Z�]~©¸yEkÉ;üC > 4¾:r¤Òú>¢Ü4ÿ]f²¼Áxœ– ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks / ASCII Characters
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Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks
A glob of silicone sealant wrecked the crank (and block eventually) on my brother's 75 300D. It blocked the oil flow to the #2 crankpin, which eventually scored the crank and caused it to break. I've also seen a bit of paper towel ruin a large engine by blocking the flow of oil to a bearing. Doesn't take all that much, just has to prevent oil from going past. Pressure is fairly low, after all, something like 65 psi max. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks
> R A Bennell wrote: > Anyone on here with real experience with older Chevy small > blocks? > > I finally pulled the oilpan on the motor from the boat to have > a look. It was fairly obvious from the knocking noises that it > had suffered a loss of oil pressure. We half expected to find > the oil pickup had fallen off of the pump. However that was > not the case. The oil pump is intact and the shaft turns when > one turns the crankshaft with a breaker bar. > So, why did it lose pressure? Any ideas on what I should look > for? Did you check the interior of the oil pump? > Have not pulled enough parts yet to lift the crank out and > look at the holes that feed the crank. That may be sufficient > to tell the tale. I doubt it is anything a simple as incorrect > parts installed as I believe it was run for a summer without > problems before it came to grief the next summer. It would be hard to block the primary oil feed if the pump was good. They can develop a _lot_ of pressure. Plugged oil filter? Remote filter with pinched lines? -- Philip "My other motor is a small block Chevy" ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi!!
Don't forget the sullen scowl, the bead seat cover, and the large gold crown air stinker on the dash. --R On 7/14/2010 6:35 PM, relng...@aol.com wrote: Most amazing modern American car I ever drove was the Chevrolet Caprice, a veritable "boat" of a car. My son and I rented one (they were out of compacts!) and took it all over the West back in 1991. It handled amazingly well and was surprisingly nimble for such a huge vehicle. And we did appreciate the capacious interior as well... if you had your turban with you, you could have picked up a few fares. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] too fast.....a 300E?
relng...@aol.com wrote: ...5. Very fast car -- way too fast for me Perhaps a Subaru 360 would be more your style. I bet Wonko would love one of those, if it has enough leg and headroom for him. (yes, seriously). Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Email messed up?
Rich Thomas wrote: I just got 60 emails in a big slug, some going back to 8:30 this morning. I have noticed some of mine show up quickly while others take hours. Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? It happens to me on occasion with Core.com. My favorite is when my mail goes dead for a day and a half, they tell me its fixed and all delayed mail has been delivered, but I search the archives and find 30 hours of list messages that never got to me. It's bad enough that I've subscribed to cell phone text alerts from all my banks in case they send me an email and corecomm trashes it for me. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks
There are several known points of failure on these guys. First and foremost, a broken pressure relief valve spring will cause a complete loss of oil pressure. So will a broken drive shaft inside the pump (no rotation of the gears although the shaft turns). You may also have a worn out oil pump if it was not replaced, they aren't like a Benz, there isn't that much reserve capacity to allow wear. Check to make sure you don't have too much oil flow to the upper end -- some of them over-oil the lifter gallery, and if the lifter holes are worn, they will drop oil pressure. And it may just have been a crappy rebuild. Not uncommon on those, the usual cheap job is to ball hone the cylinder and toss in oversized rings and slap cheap bearings in it. Worse yet, people do a valve job and restore the compression on a worn engine and don't do the bottom half, leaving you will marginal crank and rods on a new engines. They often toss a rod shortly after a head job for that reason. Check the bores for shiny spots around the bolts -- if this is the case, the rebuild was junk. You can only machine or measure those bores properly with a torque plate, the bolts distort the cylinders quite a bit, so if machined without the plate bolted on, the pistons will bind when you put the head on Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Taxi!!
> Most amazing modern American car I ever drove was the Chevrolet > Caprice, a > veritable "boat" of a car. My son and I rented one (they were out of > compacts!) and took it all over the West back in 1991. It handled > amazingly > well and was surprisingly nimble for such a huge vehicle. And we did > appreciate the capacious interior as well... > if you had your turban with you, you could have picked up a few fares. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
Of course, the data is suspect if it's being recorded by a computer that is the subject of inquiry. After all, if the brake lights aren't run by a simple switch, but operated by the computer like the ignition, they wouldn't be on, would they? The data should only be used for this inquiry if it is recorded completely separately by another device, not the main CPU. I would suggest that someone needs to determine if the computer will record bogus data before depending on it. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] too fast.....a 300E?
> ...5. Very fast car -- way too fast for me > Perhaps a Subaru 360 would be more your style. RLE ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Email messed up?
I just got 60 emails in a big slug, some going back to 8:30 this morning. I have noticed some of mine show up quickly while others take hours. Anyone else seeing this, or is it just me? --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Car love?
My indy has a small shop in which he works on a surprising number of cars of all makes. He is originally from Iran and was educated as an engineer. But, someone from Iran had a hard time finding a job as an engineer in the early 1980's. Now, his family owns two very large Mercedes dealerships in Iran, so he was always around MB's. When he couldn't find work as a mechanical engineer, he relied on what he knew which was cars. He had various shops, and gas stations, etc. until he bought his current place 20+ years ago. He never wanted to be in the car business, but he does love cars and he is certainly very successful (you should see some of the beautiful cars he has restored and sold and a few that he has kept). Well, his son has grown up around his father's cars and the business. He wanted his son NOT be in the car business. He wanted him to do something that he loves. BUT, alas, I think it is going to be cars. His son came home from his freshman year at University of Kansas and was helping around the shop. I was there a few weeks ago and his son bought a 1950 Plymouth. Unbelievably, it ran and ran well. So, he fixed a few things up and cleaned it. He was going to restore it to perfect condition. 1 week later he sold it. A local priest came by the shop, saw it, fell in love and begged him to sell it. Then, he bought an old Jeep Willys pickup (I have never seen one like it) and started working on it. Boom, sold it in a week. Now, he is looking for an old International Scout. Car love. You either have it or you don't. If you do, its incurable. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Ok Don wrote: "I understand - it's hard to bond with a car that doesn't go clatta clatta --- however, it's hard not to appreciate a 124 once you get over it's appearance." I like the looks of the 124. AND the best looking years of the 124 were the 94 and 95. I definitely think my 95 E320 is the best looking 124 (I do think the 124 Convertibles are very nice, too). But, I know you are a purist. There is something very classic about the 123. It is just so hard to find them in good cosmetic condition anymore. Of course, they are getting to be 30 years old. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Ok Don wrote: "But you don't own them long enough to be seen in them!" Well, that's true. At least no recently. I did have my 85 olds 98 for 3 years. But, you are right in recent years, the buicks, olds, cadillacs, etc. have not lasted long in the Snook motor pool. My wife's two Fords have stuck around for quite a while. 3.5 years for the Explorer and 3 years and counting for the Expedition. My mechanic told me he is probably going to be trading for a 99 Lexus RX300 with only 77,000 miles. I think my wife would really like that car. So, who knows. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
Randy wrote: "My recollection is also that one needs to change the timing sprockets and chain around 100K miles. They use a nylon sprocket to keep things quiet and they wear out." That was true on the older generation 3800. I know it was true on the 85 and 86 (the first years for the FWD 88 and 98). But, I think they had addressed that by 1988. I know that in 1990, the 3800 received some serious upgrades and none of the cars past 1990 need timing chains. I can't remember a single one needing a timing chain when I was at the dealership and there were cars with 300,000 miles on them. The best years of the 3800 were from 1990-1995 and then after they got the intake problem fixed. GM has never specifically released vin numbers on that, so there are reports of model year 2000 being the fix. But, I would be safe and say 2001. Since then, the 3800 has been great. It is a real shame that it is being replaced (if it hasn't been totally replaced already) with the 3.5 "shortstar" and the 3.6 direct injection engine. The 3800 was used in so many cars for so many years, that GM really did perfect it. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
LeSabre Limited, 3800 engine. I am sure the engine has been fixed -- brother-in-law is a top notch mechanic, one of the best I've ever met. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Don (Wonko) wrote: > > "Buying my brother-in-law's 98 Buick." > > Which model Buick? If it has the 3800, it is a GREAT car. BUT, you need > to check one thing to make sure it has been fixed. Beginning in about 97 (I > think), the 3800 had an intake manifold problem. It was plastic and one > part of it would melt and cause serious leakage. There are new parts that > correct the problem. The problem was so prevalent, that you can even by the > new correct parts at places like O'Reillys. If it has been done, you are > golden and you will love the car. If it has less than 60,000 miles and it > hasn't been done, get ready to do it. If it has more than 100,000 miles and > it hasn't been done, then you already have coolant in the cylinders and > potential bearing damage. Its not even a bad job if you want to do it > yourself. I think its best to replace both the upper and lower manifolds, > but there are people that claim you can just do the upper. > > You will be amazed at the power of the 3.8 and even more amazed at the > great fuel mileage. > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers. -- Oscar Wilde ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Haven't established a price yet. Not sure what a fair value would be. I will try to upload some pics, or maybe set my web site back up, hopefully this evening. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:59 PM, E M wrote: > Don't think the price was posted, but I seem to recall something about > payment had to be made in pesos or something? > > Ed > 300E > > On 14 July 2010 13:49, Allan Streib wrote: > > > He said he was going to post it for sale locally. No price has yet been > > posted that I've seen. > > > > Allan > > > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:42 -0700, "LWB250" wrote: > > > Has anyone seen a price for this car, or did I miss that post? > > > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/14/10, OK Don wrote: > > > > > > > From: OK Don > > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale > > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:20 PM > > > > I understand - it's hard tp bond with > > > > a car that doesn't go clatta clatta > > > > --- however, it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get > > > > over it's > > > > appearance. > > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Wonko the Sane > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Donn -- don't know, the 300E and I just > > > > never bonded. My old 240D > > > > > was always the favorite step-child. I even put $600 > > > > worth of tires on it -- > > > > > less than 1000 miles ago -- but it is time for it to > > > > go away. Nice car but > > > > > not my cup of tea. > > > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- When the gods wish to punish us, they answer our prayers. -- Oscar Wilde ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
Remember the Buick stationwagon version. Talk about bulbous looking. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Alex Chamberlain Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > The Impala SS of the mid 1990's was supposed to be quite a car. I have > never driven one. > > Here's a version for Wilton... http://bit.ly/ch7mWh > > > I can't believe I'm typing this but I actually think the ground effects on that one are an improvement. I see Caprice taxis all the time (not as many as Crown Vics, but still plenty) and they remind me of nothing so much as huge banana slugs. It's like the designers started with the original Taurus, which was a good design to copy from, but then inflated it and made the wheels proportionally smaller and the tumblehome much more pronounced. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Chevy small blocks
Anyone on here with real experience with older Chevy small blocks? I finally pulled the oilpan on the motor from the boat to have a look. It was fairly obvious from the knocking noises that it had suffered a loss of oil pressure. We half expected to find the oil pickup had fallen off of the pump. However that was not the case. The oil pump is intact and the shaft turns when one turns the crankshaft with a breaker bar. Pulled bearing caps and found what I expected. The mains are bad as are the connecting rod bearings. The crank will need be be ground or replaced. So, it lacked oil for some reason. That leads me to believe that either an oil channel got plugged so it did not flow or that some plug came out and resulted in no real oil pressure. Unfortunate as the engine had been totally rebuilt not too long prior to its failure. This was before the boat came to me so I was not present. Friends had owned it since new and it was bebuilt the summer before it came to grief. They tell me they were motoring along when it seemed to lose power and then they noted the oil pressure gauge had dropped and they shut it off. They came back in on the auxiliary engine and I do not think it has run since. We acquired it from them and never tried to start it. We did crank it over to try to distribute anti freeze before storing it for the winter and it sounded awful. A real deep knock. I do not beieve that it was run without oil in the crank case. There was oil when we drained it and it was really messed up - lots of obvious metal in it. So, why did it lose pressure? Any ideas on what I should look for? Have not pulled enough parts yet to lift the crank out and look at the holes that feed the crank. That may be sufficient to tell the tale. I doubt it is anything a simple as incorrect parts installed as I believe it was run for a summer without problems before it came to grief the next summer. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] ASCII
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:07 PM, LWB250 wrote: > Is it me, or are some of the list messages coming through as a bunch of > ASCII characters? > > > I should hope so ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:40 AM, Allan Streib wrote: > The Impala SS of the mid 1990's was supposed to be quite a car. I have > never driven one. > > Here's a version for Wilton... http://bit.ly/ch7mWh > > > I can't believe I'm typing this but I actually think the ground effects on that one are an improvement. I see Caprice taxis all the time (not as many as Crown Vics, but still plenty) and they remind me of nothing so much as huge banana slugs. It's like the designers started with the original Taurus, which was a good design to copy from, but then inflated it and made the wheels proportionally smaller and the tumblehome much more pronounced. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] ASCII
Is it me, or are some of the list messages coming through as a bunch of ASCII characters? Dan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
Oh, yeah, uh-huh. Wilton - Original Message - From: "Allan Streib" To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 2:40 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick. The Impala SS of the mid 1990's was supposed to be quite a car. I have never driven one. Here's a version for Wilton... http://bit.ly/ch7mWh On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:33 -0400, "andrew strasfogel" wrote: Most amazing modern American car I ever drove was the Chevrolet Caprice, a veritable "boat" of a car. My son and I rented one (they were out of compacts!) and took it all over the West back in 1991. It handled amazingly well and was surprisingly nimble for such a huge vehicle. And we did appreciate the capacious interior as well. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
The Impala SS of the mid 1990's was supposed to be quite a car. I have never driven one. Here's a version for Wilton... http://bit.ly/ch7mWh On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 14:33 -0400, "andrew strasfogel" wrote: > Most amazing modern American car I ever drove was the Chevrolet > Caprice, a veritable "boat" of a car. My son and I rented one (they > were out of compacts!) and took it all over the West back in 1991. It > handled amazingly well and was surprisingly nimble for such a huge > vehicle. And we did appreciate the capacious interior as well. > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
Most amazing modern American car I ever drove was the Chevrolet Caprice, a veritable "boat" of a car. My son and I rented one (they were out of compacts!) and took it all over the West back in 1991. It handled amazingly well and was surprisingly nimble for such a huge vehicle. And we did appreciate the capacious interior as well. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM, E M wrote: > I think the 3800 is a great engine too. Whenever anyone questions > America's > ability to make a good engine, mention the 3800. Super reliable, great > torque, smooth, and has moved a variety of pretty large cars, on a > surprising small amount of fuel. > > A Buick may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they are very well suited to > about 90% of the road and weather conditions in North America. > > Ed > 300E > > On 14 July 2010 12:49, Donald Snook wrote: > > > Don (Wonko) wrote: > > > > "Buying my brother-in-law's 98 Buick." > > > > Which model Buick? If it has the 3800, it is a GREAT car. BUT, you need > > to check one thing to make sure it has been fixed. Beginning in about 97 > (I > > think), the 3800 had an intake manifold problem. It was plastic and one > > part of it would melt and cause serious leakage. There are new parts > that > > correct the problem. The problem was so prevalent, that you can even by > the > > new correct parts at places like O'Reillys. If it has been done, you are > > golden and you will love the car. If it has less than 60,000 miles and > it > > hasn't been done, get ready to do it. If it has more than 100,000 miles > and > > it hasn't been done, then you already have coolant in the cylinders and > > potential bearing damage. Its not even a bad job if you want to do it > > yourself. I think its best to replace both the upper and lower > manifolds, > > but there are people that claim you can just do the upper. > > > > You will be amazed at the power of the 3.8 and even more amazed at the > > great fuel mileage. > > > > > > Donald H. Snook > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Stall Speed for a 722.3?
No because the KLIMA relay is removed in order to keep the AC compressor turning using a bypass relay. No KLIMA relay, no kick down function. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:04 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: Stall Speed for a 722.3? Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > Update - my 1-2 full throttle shift occurs at about 25 mph. Note that > this and the 27 mph factory spec are well short of the maximum engine > RPM point and the little yellow tick mark at the edge of the > speedometer. If you trigger the kickdown switch, does it go to 32? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
No and no, he said, in an apologetic fashion, that he was selling it to a Mexican. --R On 7/14/2010 1:42 PM, LWB250 wrote: Has anyone seen a price for this car, or did I miss that post? Dan --- On Wed, 7/14/10, OK Don wrote: From: OK Don Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale To: "Mercedes Discussion List" Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:20 PM I understand - it's hard tp bond with a car that doesn't go clatta clatta --- however, it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get over it's appearance. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: To answer Donn -- don't know, the 300E and I just never bonded. My old 240D was always the favorite step-child. I even put $600 worth of tires on it -- less than 1000 miles ago -- but it is time for it to go away. Nice car but not my cup of tea. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Don't think the price was posted, but I seem to recall something about payment had to be made in pesos or something? Ed 300E On 14 July 2010 13:49, Allan Streib wrote: > He said he was going to post it for sale locally. No price has yet been > posted that I've seen. > > Allan > > On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:42 -0700, "LWB250" wrote: > > Has anyone seen a price for this car, or did I miss that post? > > > > Dan > > > > > > > > --- On Wed, 7/14/10, OK Don wrote: > > > > > From: OK Don > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:20 PM > > > I understand - it's hard tp bond with > > > a car that doesn't go clatta clatta > > > --- however, it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get > > > over it's > > > appearance. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Wonko the Sane > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > To answer Donn -- don't know, the 300E and I just > > > never bonded. My old 240D > > > > was always the favorite step-child. I even put $600 > > > worth of tires on it -- > > > > less than 1000 miles ago -- but it is time for it to > > > go away. Nice car but > > > > not my cup of tea. > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
I think the W124 is one of the best looking, and most forward looking car, Mercedes has ever produced. But as they say, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder". Ed 300E On 14 July 2010 13:52, Alex Chamberlain wrote: > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:20 AM, OK Don wrote: > > > it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get over it's > > appearance. > > > > > > Them's fightin' words! I'd rather look at a 124 than a 123 any day (and a > 126 rather than a 116, even one with Euro bumpers). > > Alex > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wild weather
Rain seldom is a problem here, and the runoff is so good with the drain system, it only ever rises a bit in the low parts of the garden, if it REALLY comes down. Heaviest rain I ever recall seeing was in Florida. The parking lot was a bit lower than the surrounding ground, and within an hour or so, people were wading out to their cars, only to open the doors, and have the water rush into the interior. My first time experiencing anything like that. Another time was down in Jamaica, but that was during a typhoon or something. Hope all the cars checkout ok for you later today. Ed 300E On 14 July 2010 12:36, andrew strasfogel wrote: > Wow - close call! I remember a couple rainy Julys on visits in the past > decade. When it rains hard up there it is really something to behold. We > also had some severe storms in DC last night but thankfully no flooding. > We > had been experience a moderate drought, so the precip was welcome. > > On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > > > Rained so hard here this morning that I don't know if I have ever seen it > > rain harder. Rained alot like that last > > evening for an hour or so too. > > > > We have a low spot on the street to the south of our home. We get > flooding > > in that area periodically and have > > learned, after having 3 vehicles flooded while sitting on the street, to > > watch out for rising waters. I had to > > leave the house this morning for a meeting at 7 AM. It was raining really > > hard and I knew there would be big > > puddles on the streets so I took my truck. Got soaked just trying to get > to > > it and get in even with a raincoat and > > umbrella. Got a big dirty smudge on my shirt too and I was the speaker at > > our business club meeting this morning - > > oh well what can you do? > > > > In any event, we had 4 cars on the street this morning. The old 4Runner > > which is not only higher than the cars but > > was also on the highest ground as well as my wife's Accord, my son's > Maxima > > and my 300D. My car normally sits in > > the garage but I have been working on something in the garage and there > is > > currently "no room at the inn" so to > > speak. Thankfully, my wife was keeping her eyes open and she and my > younger > > son managed to move all 3 of the cars > > to higher ground before they flooded. The water was up to the door level > on > > the 300D which was in the lowest spot. > > No one else drives it so I am pleased that they were able to get it going > > and move it. > > > > Will have to check the tranny and diff and make sure they did not ingest > > any water as they were probably in deep > > enough to do so. > > > > Randy > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 10:20 AM, OK Don wrote: > it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get over it's > appearance. > > Them's fightin' words! I'd rather look at a 124 than a 123 any day (and a 126 rather than a 116, even one with Euro bumpers). Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
He said he was going to post it for sale locally. No price has yet been posted that I've seen. Allan On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:42 -0700, "LWB250" wrote: > Has anyone seen a price for this car, or did I miss that post? > > Dan > > > > --- On Wed, 7/14/10, OK Don wrote: > > > From: OK Don > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:20 PM > > I understand - it's hard tp bond with > > a car that doesn't go clatta clatta > > --- however, it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get > > over it's > > appearance. > > > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Wonko the Sane > > wrote: > > > > > > > > To answer Donn -- don't know, the 300E and I just > > never bonded. My old 240D > > > was always the favorite step-child. I even put $600 > > worth of tires on it -- > > > less than 1000 miles ago -- but it is time for it to > > go away. Nice car but > > > not my cup of tea. > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 LR glass
Not a natural Green Thumb, eh. hee hee. Those fire ants are nasty, we have had some problems with them up here this year too. Ed 300E On 14 July 2010 09:54, Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote: > Daughter called last night. She ran over a hill of fire ants with the > lawnmower and got bit up, then the mower threw a rock or something through > the LR window of the 300D. > > I am not driving 2200 miles to fix this one. Anyone got a spare LR window > for sale? > > If you are somewhere in an arc from Mobile, AL, through Jackson and down to > N'awlins it would be more convenient. Better yet, if you are in that arc > and want to replace the window for payment, I'd be interested in talking. > > email offlist to 126die...@gmail.com TIA > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
I think the 3800 is a great engine too. Whenever anyone questions America's ability to make a good engine, mention the 3800. Super reliable, great torque, smooth, and has moved a variety of pretty large cars, on a surprising small amount of fuel. A Buick may not be everyone's cup of tea, but they are very well suited to about 90% of the road and weather conditions in North America. Ed 300E On 14 July 2010 12:49, Donald Snook wrote: > Don (Wonko) wrote: > > "Buying my brother-in-law's 98 Buick." > > Which model Buick? If it has the 3800, it is a GREAT car. BUT, you need > to check one thing to make sure it has been fixed. Beginning in about 97 (I > think), the 3800 had an intake manifold problem. It was plastic and one > part of it would melt and cause serious leakage. There are new parts that > correct the problem. The problem was so prevalent, that you can even by the > new correct parts at places like O'Reillys. If it has been done, you are > golden and you will love the car. If it has less than 60,000 miles and it > hasn't been done, get ready to do it. If it has more than 100,000 miles and > it hasn't been done, then you already have coolant in the cylinders and > potential bearing damage. Its not even a bad job if you want to do it > yourself. I think its best to replace both the upper and lower manifolds, > but there are people that claim you can just do the upper. > > You will be amazed at the power of the 3.8 and even more amazed at the > great fuel mileage. > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Huh? You've been driving diesels way to long. hee hee. ;-) A W124 weights as much as a house, and has just enough power to make its wheels turn. But I guess power is relative. ;-) Ed 300E On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: > > > 5. Very fast car -- way too fast for me. > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Has anyone seen a price for this car, or did I miss that post? Dan --- On Wed, 7/14/10, OK Don wrote: > From: OK Don > Subject: Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" > Date: Wednesday, July 14, 2010, 1:20 PM > I understand - it's hard tp bond with > a car that doesn't go clatta clatta > --- however, it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get > over it's > appearance. > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Wonko the Sane > wrote: > > > > > To answer Donn -- don't know, the 300E and I just > never bonded. My old 240D > > was always the favorite step-child. I even put $600 > worth of tires on it -- > > less than 1000 miles ago -- but it is time for it to > go away. Nice car but > > not my cup of tea. > > > -- > OK Don > Panic! (the national past time). > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
I understand - it's hard tp bond with a car that doesn't go clatta clatta --- however, it's hard not to apreciate a 124 once you get over it's appearance. On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: > > To answer Donn -- don't know, the 300E and I just never bonded. My old 240D > was always the favorite step-child. I even put $600 worth of tires on it -- > less than 1000 miles ago -- but it is time for it to go away. Nice car but > not my cup of tea. -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
But you don't own them long enough to be seen in them! ;-) On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 11:44 AM, Donald Snook wrote: > Allan S. wrote: > > "You know that to be a successful Buick owner you must: > > a) have silver hair or a flat cap that barely rises above the steering > wheel > > b) Never drive in excess of 10 MPH below the posted limit. > > c) Always drive with a turn signal blinking, except when turning. > > d) While driving, rest your left foot on the brake pedal so that your > brake lights are always illuminated. > > Anyone see anything I forgot?" > > I have certainly driven some buicks and these don't apply to me! > > > Donald H. Snook > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Kaleb is already on the road with his trailer --- On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 8:55 AM, Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: > I would if it were closer-I'd take a chance on ignition or vacuum leaks. > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr. > 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. > 1990 300D 2.5t 181K miles. > Wickford, RI > > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] > On Behalf Of Curt Raymond > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:14 AM > To: Diesel List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This > > YOWZERS! > > For sure somebody should snap that up! > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:21:29 -0700 > From: Rick Knoble > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: [MBZ] Someone Needs This > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1835086433.html > > > Not mine, etc. > > Rick > > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > -- OK Don Panic! (the national past time). ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
My recollection is also that one needs to change the timing sprockets and chain around 100K miles. They use a nylon sprocket to keep things quiet and they wear out. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:49 AM To: 'Mercedes@okiebenz.com' Subject: [MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick. Don (Wonko) wrote: "Buying my brother-in-law's 98 Buick." Which model Buick? If it has the 3800, it is a GREAT car. BUT, you need to check one thing to make sure it has been fixed. Beginning in about 97 (I think), the 3800 had an intake manifold problem. It was plastic and one part of it would melt and cause serious leakage. There are new parts that correct the problem. The problem was so prevalent, that you can even by the new correct parts at places like O'Reillys. If it has been done, you are golden and you will love the car. If it has less than 60,000 miles and it hasn't been done, get ready to do it. If it has more than 100,000 miles and it hasn't been done, then you already have coolant in the cylinders and potential bearing damage. Its not even a bad job if you want to do it yourself. I think its best to replace both the upper and lower manifolds, but there are people that claim you can just do the upper. You will be amazed at the power of the 3.8 and even more amazed at the great fuel mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Don wrote: "Cash takes the title. You can drive it home to the four corners of the US. I will be listing it locally, and I am pretty sure a Mexican (that isn't racist, that is just fact) from the next town over will soon be the owner." I may have missed this (I am way behind on digests), but how much Cash takes it home? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wonko's buying a buick.
Don (Wonko) wrote: "Buying my brother-in-law's 98 Buick." Which model Buick? If it has the 3800, it is a GREAT car. BUT, you need to check one thing to make sure it has been fixed. Beginning in about 97 (I think), the 3800 had an intake manifold problem. It was plastic and one part of it would melt and cause serious leakage. There are new parts that correct the problem. The problem was so prevalent, that you can even by the new correct parts at places like O'Reillys. If it has been done, you are golden and you will love the car. If it has less than 60,000 miles and it hasn't been done, get ready to do it. If it has more than 100,000 miles and it hasn't been done, then you already have coolant in the cylinders and potential bearing damage. Its not even a bad job if you want to do it yourself. I think its best to replace both the upper and lower manifolds, but there are people that claim you can just do the upper. You will be amazed at the power of the 3.8 and even more amazed at the great fuel mileage. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
Allan S. wrote: "You know that to be a successful Buick owner you must: a) have silver hair or a flat cap that barely rises above the steering wheel b) Never drive in excess of 10 MPH below the posted limit. c) Always drive with a turn signal blinking, except when turning. d) While driving, rest your left foot on the brake pedal so that your brake lights are always illuminated. Anyone see anything I forgot?" I have certainly driven some buicks and these don't apply to me! Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wild weather
Wow - close call! I remember a couple rainy Julys on visits in the past decade. When it rains hard up there it is really something to behold. We also had some severe storms in DC last night but thankfully no flooding. We had been experience a moderate drought, so the precip was welcome. On Wed, Jul 14, 2010 at 12:21 PM, R A Bennell wrote: > Rained so hard here this morning that I don't know if I have ever seen it > rain harder. Rained alot like that last > evening for an hour or so too. > > We have a low spot on the street to the south of our home. We get flooding > in that area periodically and have > learned, after having 3 vehicles flooded while sitting on the street, to > watch out for rising waters. I had to > leave the house this morning for a meeting at 7 AM. It was raining really > hard and I knew there would be big > puddles on the streets so I took my truck. Got soaked just trying to get to > it and get in even with a raincoat and > umbrella. Got a big dirty smudge on my shirt too and I was the speaker at > our business club meeting this morning - > oh well what can you do? > > In any event, we had 4 cars on the street this morning. The old 4Runner > which is not only higher than the cars but > was also on the highest ground as well as my wife's Accord, my son's Maxima > and my 300D. My car normally sits in > the garage but I have been working on something in the garage and there is > currently "no room at the inn" so to > speak. Thankfully, my wife was keeping her eyes open and she and my younger > son managed to move all 3 of the cars > to higher ground before they flooded. The water was up to the door level on > the 300D which was in the lowest spot. > No one else drives it so I am pleased that they were able to get it going > and move it. > > Will have to check the tranny and diff and make sure they did not ingest > any water as they were probably in deep > enough to do so. > > Randy > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Wild weather
Rained so hard here this morning that I don't know if I have ever seen it rain harder. Rained alot like that last evening for an hour or so too. We have a low spot on the street to the south of our home. We get flooding in that area periodically and have learned, after having 3 vehicles flooded while sitting on the street, to watch out for rising waters. I had to leave the house this morning for a meeting at 7 AM. It was raining really hard and I knew there would be big puddles on the streets so I took my truck. Got soaked just trying to get to it and get in even with a raincoat and umbrella. Got a big dirty smudge on my shirt too and I was the speaker at our business club meeting this morning - oh well what can you do? In any event, we had 4 cars on the street this morning. The old 4Runner which is not only higher than the cars but was also on the highest ground as well as my wife's Accord, my son's Maxima and my 300D. My car normally sits in the garage but I have been working on something in the garage and there is currently "no room at the inn" so to speak. Thankfully, my wife was keeping her eyes open and she and my younger son managed to move all 3 of the cars to higher ground before they flooded. The water was up to the door level on the 300D which was in the lowest spot. No one else drives it so I am pleased that they were able to get it going and move it. Will have to check the tranny and diff and make sure they did not ingest any water as they were probably in deep enough to do so. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyotacrashes
Mass lawsuit hysteria. Gopi does a Toyota in a Mazda: http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/07/12/577164/oops-someone-hit-it-again.html#storylink=addthis Uh, no, Gopi, this is not how a drive-through works... --R On 7/14/2010 11:50 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: An interesting date point is the little graph of reported incidents, which peaks at the same time as the media frenzy. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyotacrashes Ya think? --R On 7/13/2010 11:07 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435 744.html Looks like maybe the problem really was drivers standing on the accelerator instead of the brake. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] FW: Stall Speed for a 722.3?
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: Update - my 1-2 full throttle shift occurs at about 25 mph. Note that this and the 27 mph factory spec are well short of the maximum engine RPM point and the little yellow tick mark at the edge of the speedometer. If you trigger the kickdown switch, does it go to 32? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] FW: Stall Speed for a 722.3?
Update - my 1-2 full throttle shift occurs at about 25 mph. Note that this and the 27 mph factory spec are well short of the maximum engine RPM point and the little yellow tick mark at the edge of the speedometer. -Max -Original Message- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:21 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: RE: [MBZ] Stall Speed for a 722.3? I don't know that, will take a look at the factory spec for the shift points to see if mine is factory or not. I defeat that 'fault' by putting the lever in '2' at a stop when I know I'll need heavy acceleration, and then flooring the pedal. RPM climb to about 4800 and then the transmission will upshift into second gear, then I move the lever to '3' or 'D' >From the Technical Data Book December 1988 edition, full throttle shift points are 27, 48, 84 mph. Kickdown shift points are 32, 52, and 87 mph. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:04 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stall Speed for a 722.3? > The 1-2 shift occurs too early (about 3500 RPM) Don't some of the cars do that on purpose? To avoid breaking something 'cause the torque is so high in low gear? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyotacrashes
An interesting date point is the little graph of reported incidents, which peaks at the same time as the media frenzy. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rich Thomas Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyotacrashes Ya think? --R On 7/13/2010 11:07 PM, Allan Streib wrote: > http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435 > 744.html > > Looks like maybe the problem really was drivers standing on the > accelerator instead of the brake. > > Allan > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Those crazy Aussies
"Police said he had been ejected from a nearby pub for being too drunk before he decided to scale a barbed wire fence to get a closer look at the reptile and give him a pat" Wow, imagine that. --R On 7/13/2010 10:24 PM, archer wrote: This guy has 'em both beat: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7886769/Drunk-tourist-hospitalised-after-attempting-to-ride-crocodile.html Gerry - From: "Hendrik & Fay" Like they say, alcohol and firearms don't mix. Dumb and dumber Hendrik Rich Thomas wrote: Hen, y'all having fun down there yet? Aussie men shoot each other in buttocks 'to see if it hurts' http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.48b9582985ef441402e0e7b7976a4920.441&show_article=1 In the US, this sort of behavior is usually preceded by words such as "Hey y'all, ho mah beer and watchis!" --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
Ya think? --R On 7/13/2010 11:07 PM, Allan Streib wrote: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703834604575364871534435744.html Looks like maybe the problem really was drivers standing on the accelerator instead of the brake. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender?
OK-Thanks Max. They look to be the same motor according to Nitske's specs. Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:47 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender? I think they are exactly the same motor. Europe didn't have the problem and blamed lower quality U.S. fuel. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender? I guess so-was just on a half hour ago. I am still curious- is a Euro W140 300SD still the 3449 OM 603 rodbender? I have read all the discussion here over the years but never saw a Euro-not sure if I am interested but I love my brother's W140 gasser. Thanks, Dwight Star Motors and Shellfish Co. "Shucking but no Jiving" Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender? Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: > http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1822968071.html Wow, that sold quick. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender?
I think they are exactly the same motor. Europe didn't have the problem and blamed lower quality U.S. fuel. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dwight E. Giles, Jr Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender? I guess so-was just on a half hour ago. I am still curious- is a Euro W140 300SD still the 3449 OM 603 rodbender? I have read all the discussion here over the years but never saw a Euro-not sure if I am interested but I love my brother's W140 gasser. Thanks, Dwight Star Motors and Shellfish Co. "Shucking but no Jiving" Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender? Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: > http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1822968071.html Wow, that sold quick. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender?
I guess so-was just on a half hour ago. I am still curious- is a Euro W140 300SD still the 3449 OM 603 rodbender? I have read all the discussion here over the years but never saw a Euro-not sure if I am interested but I love my brother's W140 gasser. Thanks, Dwight Star Motors and Shellfish Co. "Shucking but no Jiving" Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 10:30 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender? Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: > http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1822968071.html Wow, that sold quick. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 124 LR glass
Those are different depending on VIN. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. www.buyMBparts.biz www.buyEUROparts.biz www.buyASIANparts.biz Tel/ 1-800-741-5252 Fax/ 770-454-9745 ICQ 427542441 AIM BuyMBparts - Original Message - From: "Dieselhead" <126die...@gmail.com> To: Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:54 AM Subject: [MBZ] 124 LR glass Daughter called last night. She ran over a hill of fire ants with the lawnmower and got bit up, then the mower threw a rock or something through the LR window of the 300D. I am not driving 2200 miles to fix this one. Anyone got a spare LR window for sale? If you are somewhere in an arc from Mobile, AL, through Jackson and down to N'awlins it would be more convenient. Better yet, if you are in that arc and want to replace the window for payment, I'd be interested in talking. email offlist to 126die...@gmail.com TIA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] rear suspension upgrade 84 300D
I'd say ya done good! I know I paid well over $1000 in labor for the 126 rear bushings 5 or 6 years ago. Any shop rate under $75 is a deal, if the guys are any good. I had my independent garage owner, replace 4 rear control arm bushings, replace both axle bearings(one was leaking) switch sides on the axles, replace boots on right side(other side was new) replace subframe bushings Parts came from Rusty ! Thanks Labor cost $520.00 at 55.00 per hour. Seemed like a fair price, was he in the ball park? Ride is greatly improved and the rear steering and sway is gone. It feels great and I would highly recommend it. Mike p.s. still working on intermittent hard starting problems by replacing hoses. Difficult to diagnose because it doesn't happen all the time. Recently it happens immediately after shutting down, but works fine after sitting for a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 124 LR glass
Daughter called last night. She ran over a hill of fire ants with the lawnmower and got bit up, then the mower threw a rock or something through the LR window of the 300D. I am not driving 2200 miles to fix this one. Anyone got a spare LR window for sale? If you are somewhere in an arc from Mobile, AL, through Jackson and down to N'awlins it would be more convenient. Better yet, if you are in that arc and want to replace the window for payment, I'd be interested in talking. email offlist to 126die...@gmail.com TIA ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Is this a rodbender?
Dwight E. Giles, Jr wrote: http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1822968071.html Wow, that sold quick. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
Allan Streib wrote: I'm guessing there may be some cases of real throttle malfunction, which when reported drew out a lot of other claims from people who simply mixed up the gas and the brake pedal. Do these Toyotas have their pedals arranged to the left of the expected positions, like the Audis of the 1980s? Are the 'unintended acceleration' cases highly correlated to drivers with less than 1000 miles experience in the car, like the Audi cases were? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] my 300E is now for sale
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 7:06 PM, Wonko the Sane wrote: > 5. Very fast car -- way too fast for me. > > Now imagine the same car, but twice as fast, and you will understand why 500Es are so desirable. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Is this a rodbender?
http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1822968071.html A Euro W140 SD? What would be the engine number - OMxxx? Thanks. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
I'm not saying the throttle was not floored the recorder says it was. The question is whether the driver was doing it or the computer was. However the recorder also shows that the brakes were not being applied, and this is consistent with the physical evidence in some of these accidents (e.g. the parking garage video that shows no brake lights until AFTER the car accelerates into the wall and comes to a stop). I do think there were also some reports of evidence that brakes were applied... brake rotors burned blue, etc. I'm guessing there may be some cases of real throttle malfunction, which when reported drew out a lot of other claims from people who simply mixed up the gas and the brake pedal. Allan On Wed, 14 Jul 2010 06:25 -0700, "Curt Raymond" wrote: > So you're believing the data recorder when it says that the brakes > weren't applied but it can be ignored that it says the throttle was > floored? > It seems like the problem here is that the main computer system, data > recorder included, is suspect. We can't really believe the data > recorder... > > What we need is a case where the data recorder says the brakes weren't > applied and the skid marks say they were. > > Of course while the big hoo-ha was going on my wife calls me and says > she's scared to drive the Ranger because the throttle sticks. I drove it > for a week and never had ANYTHING like a throttle sticking incident. She > claims she was pushing hard on the brake and the engine revved higher and > higher. I asked "did the car slow down any?" She says "No it sped up." I > gave her a hard look and suggested that next time it does it she take her > foot OFF the gas and press on the brake gently... She realized her > mistake and was sheepish. > > -Curt > > Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:13:44 -0400 > From: Allan Streib > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in > Toyota crashes > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Mitch Haley writes: > > > I thought the problem was the computer getting the idea the throttle > > was floored when it really was not. I'm not sure how the data recorder > > would dispel that notion if it says that the computer did indeed think > > the pedal was floored. > > The data recorder also showed the brakes were not being applied. > > Allan > -- > 1983 300D > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, , speedometer
You just disconnect the brake hose, support the suspension, unbolt the shock/strut, and lower until the spring is loose, right? Pretty much. I think I usually just unbolt the caliper and hang it there on a wire, though. Much less trouble than bleeding the air out of the brakes later. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
I would if it were closer-I'd take a chance on ignition or vacuum leaks. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 181K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:14 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This YOWZERS! For sure somebody should snap that up! -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:21:29 -0700 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Someone Needs This Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1835086433.html Not mine, etc. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick,
Guy seems to have a yard full of Kaleb Benzes-a TD, an SD and this one. Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1978 240D 4 speed. 218K + miles. 1990 300D 2.5t 170K miles. Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 9:13 AM To: Diesel List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, It sure seems like a deal doesn't it? -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:56:14 -0400 From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, RI) Message-ID: <002b01cb22bd$118e68a0$34ab39...@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Curt, I can go look at this-only 15 miles from me- Dwight Star Motors and Shellfish Co. "Shucking but no Jiving" Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Curt Raymond Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, RI) Curt. Need another project? He also has a 300TD Cheap. Fred Moir Lynn MA Original Message Subject: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, RI) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/1837310723.html to contact the person who posted this. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] rear suspension upgrade 84 300D
I had my independent garage owner, replace 4 rear control arm bushings, replace both axle bearings(one was leaking) switch sides on the axles, replace boots on right side(other side was new) replace subframe bushings Parts came from Rusty ! Thanks Labor cost $520.00 at 55.00 per hour. Seemed like a fair price, was he in the ball park? Ride is greatly improved and the rear steering and sway is gone. It feels great and I would highly recommend it. Mike p.s. still working on intermittent hard starting problems by replacing hoses. Difficult to diagnose because it doesn't happen all the time. Recently it happens immediately after shutting down, but works fine after sitting for a couple of hours. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
Curt Raymond wrote: What we need is a case where the data recorder says the brakes weren't applied and the skid marks say they were. How many of these cars have drive-by-wire brakes, besides the hybrids? I'm used to ABS. If ABS kills the brakes on me, I can kill the ABS by shutting off the ignition and then have normal brakes. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes
So you're believing the data recorder when it says that the brakes weren't applied but it can be ignored that it says the throttle was floored? It seems like the problem here is that the main computer system, data recorder included, is suspect. We can't really believe the data recorder... What we need is a case where the data recorder says the brakes weren't applied and the skid marks say they were. Of course while the big hoo-ha was going on my wife calls me and says she's scared to drive the Ranger because the throttle sticks. I drove it for a week and never had ANYTHING like a throttle sticking incident. She claims she was pushing hard on the brake and the engine revved higher and higher. I asked "did the car slow down any?" She says "No it sped up." I gave her a hard look and suggested that next time it does it she take her foot OFF the gas and press on the brake gently... She realized her mistake and was sheepish. -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 23:13:44 -0400 From: Allan Streib To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Data recorders suggest drivers at fault in Toyota crashes Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mitch Haley writes: > I thought the problem was the computer getting the idea the throttle > was floored when it really was not. I'm not sure how the data recorder > would dispel that notion if it says that the computer did indeed think > the pedal was floored. The data recorder also showed the brakes were not being applied. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
YOWZERS! For sure somebody should snap that up! -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 13:21:29 -0700 From: Rick Knoble To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Someone Needs This Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1835086433.html Not mine, etc. Rick ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick,
It sure seems like a deal doesn't it? -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 14:56:14 -0400 From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, RI) Message-ID: <002b01cb22bd$118e68a0$34ab39...@net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Curt, I can go look at this-only 15 miles from me- Dwight Star Motors and Shellfish Co. "Shucking but no Jiving" Dwight Giles, Jr Bissell Cove Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Frederick W Moir Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 3:02 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List; Curt Raymond Subject: [MBZ] Fwd: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, RI) Curt. Need another project? He also has a 300TD Cheap. Fred Moir Lynn MA Original Message Subject: 1987 Mercedes 190D non-turbo - $700 (Warwick, RI) Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 11:52:43 -0700 (PDT) From: fred.s...@yahoo.com To: fred.s...@verizon.net fred.s...@yahoo.com has forwarded you this craigslist.org posting. Please see below for more information. Visit the posting at http://providence.craigslist.org/cto/1837310723.html to contact the person who posted this. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Someone Needs This
Would be a nice car if that is indeed the only thing wrong... -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rick Knoble Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 4:21 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Someone Needs This http://kansascity.craigslist.org/cto/1835086433.html Not mine, etc. Rick _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL: ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, , speedometer
Oops, as Mitch has pointed out the brake hose/line also needs to be disconnected. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:37 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate,, speedometer Not too bad, the rear springs can be removed without the spring compressor. Loosen the bottom connection of the struts, then lift the body off of the lower control arms, which will release the spring tension in a controlled manner. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, , speedometer Yeah I was wondering about a bad spring. Haven't checked the front either. Probably should. I know the front isn't too bad to take out but I haven't had a rear spring out yet. Do you know how bad that job is? I have new spring cups just haven't put them in yet. The rest of the mechanicals on the back seem to be alright. Manfred Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:22:53 -0400 From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, speedometer The 17.75 side has a problem with either a spring or lower control arm or some mechanical portion of the suspension. Broken/sagging springs DO happen, as do rusted collapsing lower control arms! Don't forget that if the rear suspension has problems, the front probably does as well. Another possibility is a ruptured rubber spring cap. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, , speedometer
Not too bad, the rear springs can be removed without the spring compressor. Loosen the bottom connection of the struts, then lift the body off of the lower control arms, which will release the spring tension in a controlled manner. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of MG Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 7:07 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, , speedometer Yeah I was wondering about a bad spring. Haven't checked the front either. Probably should. I know the front isn't too bad to take out but I haven't had a rear spring out yet. Do you know how bad that job is? I have new spring cups just haven't put them in yet. The rest of the mechanicals on the back seem to be alright. Manfred Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:22:53 -0400 From: "Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310" Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, speedometer The 17.75 side has a problem with either a spring or lower control arm or some mechanical portion of the suspension. Broken/sagging springs DO happen, as do rusted collapsing lower control arms! Don't forget that if the rear suspension has problems, the front probably does as well. Another possibility is a ruptured rubber spring cap. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon with jarring ride and and inaccuratespeedometer
Doesn't sound like 'too high' is your problem, so maybe you have some failed rubber somewhere making noise. Has anyone 'fixed' your suspension by adjusting the rod between control valve and torsion bar? If you want to investigate further, following should be approached with caution. A lift which keeps the car weight on the rear wheels is nice, or ramps would be OK to. If you have a real problem, the car may lower too far and crush anyone underneath if there is not sufficient clearance. With the car in unloaded state and 'ready to drive' , engine running, you disconnect the control rod, push the control valve arm to 'drain' which is the down position for a few seconds, then return the control valve is in the neutral position. That will allow the system to stabilize at base pressure, which should be enough pressure to hold the rear of the car at the correct height when it is not loaded. Measure again to see where your height is now. If no different, then you can probably assume that the control valve is working and adjusted correctly. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 11:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon with jarring ride and and inaccuratespeedometer In that case, I'm roughly 1/2" too high. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > Middle. The tape should be held with some tension on it, and the > highest portion of the trim strip that touches the tape. > > -Max > > -Original Message- > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of andrew strasfogel > Sent: Monday, July 12, 2010 10:17 AM > To: Mercedes Discussion List > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon with jarring ride and and > inaccuratespeedometer > > What part of the chrome trim strip - top, bottom, or middle?? > > > On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 8:18 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV > SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: > > > Also, there is a shade-tree method for determining if your car's > > rear end height is correct or not. You should find 19 inches > > measuring from the center of the star in the wheel straight up and > > over the lip of the fender to the chrome/rubber trim strip. Plus or > > minus 0.5 inches is probably acceptable. > > > > -Max > > > > -Original Message- > > From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com > > [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of David Bruckmann > > Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2010 6:17 PM > > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 wagon with jarring ride and and inaccurate > > speedometer > > > > I would proceed in the following order: > > > > 1. Check the rubber mounts at the top of the strut. If you had bad > > spheres, these mounts may well be pulverised/absent. Check also the > > bottom balljoint. > > > > 2. Test the function of the levelling valve (see instructions below) > > > > 3. Remove and test/replace the strut. A small leak is no definitive > > indication that it needs replacement (see permissible leakage below). > > > > Some clarifications/suggestions: > > > > Service document "32-501 - Functional Description" explains the role > > of each of the levelling system components. This document is > > available > > > at bruckmann.com/32-501.pdf and is also on the 115, 107, 123, and > > 126 service manual discs. > > > > -the nitrogen spheres provide variable-rate springing (only) when > > there is hydraulic pressure present. They do NOT have the damping > > effect of a shock absorber. > > > > -the shock absorbers/dampers are simple flow-constricting perforated > > discs located inside the struts. They travel back and forth on the > > end > > > of the piston, constricting flow in both directions. They don't > > normally "wear out" because there are no moving parts. I suppose it > > is > > > conceivable that flat spheres could damage the dampers (eg sudden > > pressure increases over bumps causing the o-ring around the damper > > to blow out). > > > > -the strut seals can eventually wear out, and will do so quicker if > > your cells/spheres are flat because of sudden pressure increases. > > Poor > > > maintenance (infrequent fluid/filter changes, dusty roads) can > > shorten > > > the life of the seals. A bit of leakage is permissible, up to 0.4L / > > 10,000km. > > > > -flat spheres will also destroy the ball joint at the bottom of the > > strut as well as the rubber mounts at the top. > > > > The latter is why I'm asking whether you "feel" the jarring, or > > whether you are just hearing it. If you just hear it, it could be > > the ball joint or rubber mounts. > > > > If you are so inclined, it is possible to check the struts for > > correct > > > damping function. This is described in another service document > > "32-510 > > - Checking spring struts". > > > > > > Here's an easy way to chec
Re: [MBZ] (SPAM?) Subject: Re: W123 wagon with jarring ride and inaccurate, , speedometer
Jim Cathey wrote: I haven't had a rear spring out yet. Do you know how bad that job is? Had the springs out of a 123 sedan, all I needed was a jack. You just disconnect the brake hose, support the suspension, unbolt the shock/strut, and lower until the spring is loose, right? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
