date:20100928

And wouldn't you know, I find the TC and driven plate, but not the
auto flywheel or bolts... And I was tripping over them a month back...

Walt

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 1:01 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
> Hmm, now we're getting somewhere...
>
> Based on the crank flange's thickness of 12mm and the given length of
> 20mm for the flywheel stretch bolts, it seems reasonable that the web
> thickness is something around 7mm-8mm, depending on if the bolts go
> through the flange fully or not.
>
> I've already found the friction surface to plate mount dimensions in
> the fsm, and have used the worst-case values given.
>
> When I said "face of the lip" I was referring to the outer face of the
> chamfered lip that comes up past the pressure plate on the 617
> flywheel.
>
> Got the BCD off the crank of my dead-ish 616 a few minutes ago using
> the tried and true "measure between the holes" method.
>
> Looks like I'll need to make a spacer and use automatic trans flex
> plate bolts (11mm longer) to get full engagement of the clutch to the
> input shaft. Anyone see a problem if I add 11mm between the flywheel
> and crank?
> I've got a suspicion the main bearing won't like it, but the torque
> converter would be out at least that far already and the engines seem
> to hold up fine.
>
> Walt, who is now hunting for the flex plate to get measurements...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Craig  wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:25:02 -0400 Rolf  wrote:
>>
>>> I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
>>> flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
>>> piece flywheels.
>>
>> Actually, the 0.1% just rose up and bit you. The flywheels really are one
>> piece. The 300D flywheel and the 240D flywheel are quite different.
>>
>>
>>
>> Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>>
>>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
>>> feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from
>>> the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle
>>> diameter from center point of bolt holes,
>>
>> As you pointed out, Walt, you can supply the BCD from measuring a
>> crankshaft, and that the mounting web thickness is the same as a 616.
>>
>>
>>> and the depth to the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the
>>> lip.
>>
>> I presume you mean the height from the ledge upon which the pressure
>> plate mounts to the friction surface of the flywheel. Section 03-420,
>> Refacing flywheel, of the Service Manual, Engines 615, 616, 617.91 gives
>> this as 22.5 to 22.6 mm (0.8858 to 0.8898 inch). There is a rim around
>> the ledge to which the pressure plate bolts that centers the pressure
>> plate. IIRC (and it's been awhile), this is 0.040 to 0.070". And no, I
>> won't take the one out of our 240D/3.0 to find out what it really is.
>>
>>
>> Craig
>>
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Re: [MBZ] 617 Manual Flywheel Measurements

Hmm, now we're getting somewhere...

Based on the crank flange's thickness of 12mm and the given length of
20mm for the flywheel stretch bolts, it seems reasonable that the web
thickness is something around 7mm-8mm, depending on if the bolts go
through the flange fully or not.

I've already found the friction surface to plate mount dimensions in
the fsm, and have used the worst-case values given.

When I said "face of the lip" I was referring to the outer face of the
chamfered lip that comes up past the pressure plate on the 617
flywheel.

Got the BCD off the crank of my dead-ish 616 a few minutes ago using
the tried and true "measure between the holes" method.

Looks like I'll need to make a spacer and use automatic trans flex
plate bolts (11mm longer) to get full engagement of the clutch to the
input shaft. Anyone see a problem if I add 11mm between the flywheel
and crank?
I've got a suspicion the main bearing won't like it, but the torque
converter would be out at least that far already and the engines seem
to hold up fine.

Walt, who is now hunting for the flex plate to get measurements...

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Craig  wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:25:02 -0400 Rolf  wrote:
>
>> I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
>> flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
>> piece flywheels.
>
> Actually, the 0.1% just rose up and bit you. The flywheels really are one
> piece. The 300D flywheel and the 240D flywheel are quite different.
>
>
>
> Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>
>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
>> feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from
>> the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle
>> diameter from center point of bolt holes,
>
> As you pointed out, Walt, you can supply the BCD from measuring a
> crankshaft, and that the mounting web thickness is the same as a 616.
>
>
>> and the depth to the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the
>> lip.
>
> I presume you mean the height from the ledge upon which the pressure
> plate mounts to the friction surface of the flywheel. Section 03-420,
> Refacing flywheel, of the Service Manual, Engines 615, 616, 617.91 gives
> this as 22.5 to 22.6 mm (0.8858 to 0.8898 inch). There is a rim around
> the ledge to which the pressure plate bolts that centers the pressure
> plate. IIRC (and it's been awhile), this is 0.040 to 0.070". And no, I
> won't take the one out of our 240D/3.0 to find out what it really is.
>
>
> Craig
>
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Acres south?

2010-09-28 Thread Craig

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:38:38 -0500 Dieselhead <126die...@gmail.com> wrote:

> They guy who helped me with the SL today was really nice.  (See the 
> post under 116 Engine Diagram)  He let me look at an 84 SL he had, 
> and rework all the vacuum lines.  They were all messed up.  I also 
> snagged a condensor for my SDL, so next summer I can have A/C.  His 
> name is Ronnie Goudet in Gu'fport, MS.

So how did you get from the middle of Iowa to Gu'fport, MS?


Craig

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[MBZ] 617 Manual Flywheel Measurements

2010-09-28 Thread Craig

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:25:02 -0400 Rolf  wrote:

> I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the 
> flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one 
> piece flywheels.

Actually, the 0.1% just rose up and bit you. The flywheels really are one
piece. The 300D flywheel and the 240D flywheel are quite different.

Walt Zarnoch  wrote:

> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
> feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from
> the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle
> diameter from center point of bolt holes,

As you pointed out, Walt, you can supply the BCD from measuring a
crankshaft, and that the mounting web thickness is the same as a 616.

> and the depth to the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the
> lip.

I presume you mean the height from the ledge upon which the pressure
plate mounts to the friction surface of the flywheel. Section 03-420,
Refacing flywheel, of the Service Manual, Engines 615, 616, 617.91 gives
this as 22.5 to 22.6 mm (0.8858 to 0.8898 inch). There is a rim around
the ledge to which the pressure plate bolts that centers the pressure
plate. IIRC (and it's been awhile), this is 0.040 to 0.070". And no, I
won't take the one out of our 240D/3.0 to find out what it really is.

Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I was trying to get the list dad to give am a 602 turbo for my 240D. 
I believe   that the OM60x engine will not bolt up to a OM61x 
transmission, auto or standard.  I think the solution is to 
transplant the engine and transmission form the donor.  Modifications 
of motor mounts, trans mount and driveshaft may ensue.  I was 
thinking today that an OM602 turbo would make a nice engine for a 107 
and increase the economy and the reliability.  But check the 
interchange before you buy or not.




Just playing around on EPC, for a 615 engine, there are more than a few
different flywheels available, with part numbers starting with 115, 615,
617, 602, and 102.  Sounds like any manual transmission MB from the 70s
or 80s will have a flywheel that will mate up to a 617 (or a 615).

Also begs the question of whether or not an OM602 or 603 would bolt up
to a manual transmission from a 123 car.

Perhaps one with greater EPC skills than I can tease out that
information.

-Max

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
piece flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad
drawing but its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is
remarkable different, I would use that in a truck any day of the week.
What kind of project are you doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or
the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

 I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
 adapter plate for my truck.

 The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
 pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a



 problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
 though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

 Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
 bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

 I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find

it.


 Walt

 On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
  

 Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
 superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel
 sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff

now.


 Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123
 manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered

cars).


 -Rolf

 On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:


 Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

 I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but



 I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently
 resides in to do it.
 I
 found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
 incomplete.

 If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers,
 and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness
 from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt
 circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to
 the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.

 Much thanks to anyone who helps,

 Walt
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Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line

2010-09-28 Thread Craig

On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 07:13:19 -0400 Mitch Haley  wrote:

> John Reames wrote:
> > I bet it's nowhere near as much as a front (exhaust) pipe for a 1999
> > w210.025...
> 
> Interesting... Bosal doesn't even make that. MBUSA only partt?
> http://info.rockauto.com/Bosal/Detail2.html?05295007.jpg
> 
> If it's difficult to find or incredibly expensive, take it to a good
> shop and ask them to fix it.

Yes, but ask them exactly what they are going to do to it.

When I was in college, I took my '59 Alfa Romeo Spyder Veloce in to a
muffler shop and they boogered it up. I thought they would resurrect the
flange that connected to the output of one of the headers, but no, they
cut the mating flange on the header off and welded a pipe to the header.
Made it kind of hard to get the header off because you have to separate
the header from the muffler and the other header to do that. That, and
they put in two mufflers, one for each header. It turned out the much of
the noise cancellation was from piping the output of both headers
together, and then to the muffler.

Ask first!

Craig

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[MBZ] Okie Acres south?

They guy who helped me with the SL today was really nice.  (See the 
post under 116 Engine Diagram)  He let me look at an 84 SL he had, 
and rework all the vacuum lines.  They were all messed up.  I also 
snagged a condensor for my SDL, so next summer I can have A/C.  His 
name is Ronnie Goudet in Gu'fport, MS.



Ronnie has a whole bunch of MBs in his yard.  I saw everything from 
115 to E320 124.  Mostly 123, 124, and 126 with a few 107s thrown in. 
Ronnie is a 300SD fan, so he has lots of those for parts.  pretty 
much all have rustfree body parts.  Many were underwater in katrina, 
but the body parts are ok.  Good to know if you live in the rust 
belt.  And best of all, his prices are reasonable.  Kinda Okie Acres 
South.  So if Kaleb can't get you the used parts you need call 
Ronnie.  He is not really in the junkyard business.  He runs a shop. 
But he probably will sell you parts if you ask.  And if you end up on 
the Gu'f Coast and need some help, Call Ronnie.  Even for your 
sunburnban or Caravan


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Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line

2010-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


 my epc says 6031800327, whats the difference?

On 9/28/2010 9:40 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

Your VIN is actually WDBGB34E4NA060248
The part number is 603 180 38 30, your cost is $222.00



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 WDBGA34E4NA060248

On 9/27/2010 6:26 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:

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   well how much are you going to rape me for one of them 
expensive

things?

On 9/27/2010 11:06 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

Or buy a new one from Rusty?



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Why don't you take it to a local hydraulic hose rebuilder?

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On Sep 25, 2010, at 23:37, OK Don  wrote:


Splice in some hydraulic hose, keeping the two ends?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
wrote:


Does anybody have a turbo oil supply line for a 603 3.5?  Im
putting my
140 back together and need one, mine got damaged on removal.
I pulled one
from a 3.0 603 and its different.

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Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line

2010-09-28 Thread Kaleb C. Striplin


 yea, Im thinking plan b or c is in order.

On 9/28/2010 9:40 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

Your VIN is actually WDBGB34E4NA060248
The part number is 603 180 38 30, your cost is $222.00



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   well how much are you going to rape me for one of them 
expensive

things?

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Why don't you take it to a local hydraulic hose rebuilder?

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On Sep 25, 2010, at 23:37, OK Don  wrote:


Splice in some hydraulic hose, keeping the two ends?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
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Does anybody have a turbo oil supply line for a 603 3.5?  Im
putting my
140 back together and need one, mine got damaged on removal.
I pulled one
from a 3.0 603 and its different.

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Euro,

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http://www.okiebenz.com


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Re: [MBZ] M116 engine diagram

According the info I find it should be 116,962 12  Looks like I don't 
need the diagram now.  After much poking and prodding, finding and 84 
to look at the vacuum arrangement, and finally finding a diagram of 
the vacuum arrangement.  A local here, Ronnie Goudet had the book and 
84, and he figured out the timing was screwed up and so was the 
injection.  So we reset the distributor, and I rewired all the vacuum 
lines, and then he screwed down the fuel,  and we had it idling at 
800 in neutral.  It appears that although the ICV is sticky, that it 
is functioning for the time being, sometimes with a little tapping 
for encouragement.  pretty much a case of being mechaniced to 
(almost) death.


Thanks


Email launching shortly, screen shots from EPC.

I had two choices: M116.960, or .962.  I picked .960 - let me know if
that's wrong and I'll get the .962 images for you.

-Max

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To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] M116 engine diagram

Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the intake manifold and stuff
above it for the M116  that you could email to me?  This is for a 85
380SL.  Thanks

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[MBZ] Crazy Finn

2010-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond

http://jalopnik.com/5644267/building-a-diesel+powered-mercedes-station-wagon-drift-racer

I only wish I could be as crazy as him... Oh and I'm only 1/2 as Finn.

-Curt



  
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL sighting and Lust

2010-09-28 Thread WILTON

Just drove my SDL on a short (25 mi.) freeway trip; one good-driving/riding 
car!  'Only  had it 15 years, 195 kmi, 'gonna try to keep it for a while. 
'Maybe, keep my eyes open for right "deal" on an 05 320CDI, though.  ;<


Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Tim C" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300SDL sighting and Lust


I dunno, picture the scene: well-dressed young man randomly follows
you into the fuel station, is driving a nice E320, starts talking to
you, tells you he is a lawyer and has some kind of used-car fetish,
and asks if you want to sell your car.  In the situation I'd probably
have asked $20K, and my paint job looks like it sat under a tree for
ten years. :)

-Tim

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  
wrote:

That guy is on crack.

On 9/27/2010 12:00 PM, Donald Snook wrote:


I am currently driving out in Western, KS on my way to Dodge City. I just
saw a beautiful 126 SDL. The driver pulled into a filling Station, so I
decided to stop and ask him if he wanted to sell his car. It turns out he
has two of them. One has over 500,000 miles and he is keeping it. He 
wants

to sell the one he is driving. It just got a $3500 paint job, he has done
everything including new head, timing chain, etc. It was a beautiful car. 
It

was the silver color (but not Silver like you normally think of). I don't
know what they call it.

Car had 170,000 miles. It was an '86. I would love to buy it. But, he
told me his price was $12,000. So, I gave him my card, told him it was 
very
nice and for him to call me when the price came down. Boy, I wish I had 
one,

but $12K is way too high for me.

Don Snook
1995 MB E320 92k miles

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Hi Curt,

Sounds tempting!  But I have no space for a parts car, and no
transport from NJ.  If you want to sell the trans for a few bucks, let
me know!.  What year is the car, and how many miles?

Jaime

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:58 PM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> You're in NJ right? Why scrounge up parts when you could have a whole car? 
> Free for the taking, Winchendon, MA!
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:44:26 -0400
> From: Jaime Kopchinski 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could
>     measure?
> Message-ID:
>     
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Just checked on 617 030 00 05, still available through MB.
>
> I'm running a 240D flywheel now.  The trans has some issues.  If I'm
> going to pull it all out to replace the trans, I think I'd like to get
> a "correct" flywheel to do the job right.  Need to find a good trans
> too.  I suspect I'll gather up the motivation to do all this before it
> gets too cold!
>
> Jaime
>
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Here's a pic of mine mounted on the 617 from before it went in the truck.

http://zarnochwf1.com/gallery2/d/637-3/IMG_1742.JPG

It came from a 240D donor oddly enough, but it's a 300D flywheel for sure.

Also present is the current adapter plate that fits a (modified)
Mitsubishi KM145 tranny.

I'll be pushing 31" tires with a 4.22:1 diff, so not sure if I want
more torque or more acceleration now. I know that a heavier flywheel
means greater fuel economy, but after thinking about it I don't want
to get passed by minivans...

$1200 is more than I'm willing to pay for a flywheel upgrade right
now, partly because the truck was less than that, partly because I
can't justify it if I have one that will already work.

Which FSM covers it? I've got a paper copy of what appears to be the
1975 615/616/617 engine manual.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Rolf  wrote:
> Ok that was the stupid hack job of a cut and paste ever thunderbird!!! ROUND
> 2
>
>
> Some mb porn:
>
> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20019.jpg
>
> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20031.jpg
>
> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/gwagen-flywheel.jpg
>
> The FSM chart :
>
> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/w123_clutch_pressure_plate_codes.png
>
> I really wish the EPC came with dimensions at least :D
>
> -Rolf
>
>
> On 09/28/2010 03:05 PM, Rolf wrote:
>>
>>
>> Some
>> mb porn:
>>
>> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20019.jpg
>>
>> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20031.jpg
>> 
>>
>>
>> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/gwagen-flywheel.jpg
>> 
>>
>> The FSM chart :
>>
>>
>> http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/w123_clutch_pressure_plate_codes.png
>> 
>>
>> I really wish the EPC came with dimensions at least :D
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>> On 09/28/2010 02:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm shoe-horning a 617 in a Mitsubishi Mightymax.
>>> I've got a CMM at my disposal for measuring, and quite frankly I don't
>>> trust
>>> a cad model I haven't made when $200 of aluminum is at stake..
>>> What's the going rate for the GD flywheel from dealership?
>>> I had looked in the epc and found the same 617..05 part number as before.
>>>
>>> I'm going for torque and fuel economy, so if the revs take a small hit
>>> that's ok with me. And a larger clutch would be nice...
>>>
>>> Walt
>>>
>>> On Sep 28, 2010 1:23 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
>>> flyheel
>>> face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one piece
>>> flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad drawing
>>> but
>>> its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is remarkable
>>> different, I
>>> would use that in a truck any day of the week. What kind of project are
>>> you
>>> doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or the like?
>>>
>>> -Rolf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

 I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in...
>>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 heater fan

2010-09-28 Thread Greg Fiorentino

The fan and motor last a long time.  What usually goes first are the
brushes.  They are not too tough to replace (and cheap) if you can find
them.  I've done this a couple of times on a 123.

Greg

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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:07 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] W123 heater fan

I'm driving the '77 300D again this week (gotta keep it running and
all) and remembered that the heater is broken.  It is the old style
with the Chrysler ACC, but everything else is working so I have
assumed that the fan itself is the problem.  This leads me to three
questions:

 1) Fan is in the passenger kick panel, right?  Just a few screws?
Any gotchas on taking it in and out?

 2) Where would I get such a fan?  Our junkyard has a lot of 126s but
it looks like those are incompatible, and from BIMBY it looks I would
need chassis number <110886.  That link is broken but I'm pretty sure
I wouldn't be willing to pay the new price. :) Could I scavenge a
motor from a 126 fan?

 3) Anything else it could be?  Other elements of the climate system
seem to work, I just don't get heat.

Thanks!
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] W123 heater fan



1) yup, straight forward.

2) car-part.com is always a good resource when all else fails

3) The FSM has a great step by step diag

On 09/28/2010 03:07 PM, Tim C wrote:

I'm driving the '77 300D again this week (gotta keep it running and
all) and remembered that the heater is broken.  It is the old style
with the Chrysler ACC, but everything else is working so I have
assumed that the fan itself is the problem.  This leads me to three
questions:

  1) Fan is in the passenger kick panel, right?  Just a few screws?
Any gotchas on taking it in and out?

  2) Where would I get such a fan?  Our junkyard has a lot of 126s but
it looks like those are incompatible, and from BIMBY it looks I would
need chassis number<110886.  That link is broken but I'm pretty sure
I wouldn't be willing to pay the new price. :) Could I scavenge a
motor from a 126 fan?

  3) Anything else it could be?  Other elements of the climate system
seem to work, I just don't get heat.

Thanks!
-Tim

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[MBZ] W123 heater fan

2010-09-28 Thread Tim C

I'm driving the '77 300D again this week (gotta keep it running and
all) and remembered that the heater is broken.  It is the old style
with the Chrysler ACC, but everything else is working so I have
assumed that the fan itself is the problem.  This leads me to three
questions:

 1) Fan is in the passenger kick panel, right?  Just a few screws?
Any gotchas on taking it in and out?

 2) Where would I get such a fan?  Our junkyard has a lot of 126s but
it looks like those are incompatible, and from BIMBY it looks I would
need chassis number <110886.  That link is broken but I'm pretty sure
I wouldn't be willing to pay the new price. :) Could I scavenge a
motor from a 126 fan?

 3) Anything else it could be?  Other elements of the climate system
seem to work, I just don't get heat.

Thanks!
-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Ok that was the stupid hack job of a cut and paste ever thunderbird!!! 
ROUND 2



Some mb porn:

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20019.jpg

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20031.jpg

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/gwagen-flywheel.jpg

The FSM chart :

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/w123_clutch_pressure_plate_codes.png

I really wish the EPC came with dimensions at least :D

-Rolf


On 09/28/2010 03:05 PM, Rolf wrote:
Some 
mb porn:


http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20019.jpg

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20031.jpg 
 



http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/gwagen-flywheel.jpg 
 



The FSM chart :

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/w123_clutch_pressure_plate_codes.png 
 



I really wish the EPC came with dimensions at least :D

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm shoe-horning a 617 in a Mitsubishi Mightymax.
I've got a CMM at my disposal for measuring, and quite frankly I 
don't trust

a cad model I haven't made when $200 of aluminum is at stake..
What's the going rate for the GD flywheel from dealership?
I had looked in the epc and found the same 617..05 part number as 
before.


I'm going for torque and fuel economy, so if the revs take a small hit
that's ok with me. And a larger clutch would be nice...

Walt

On Sep 28, 2010 1:23 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the 
flyheel

face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one piece
flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad 
drawing but
its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is remarkable 
different, I
would use that in a truck any day of the week. What kind of project 
are you

doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or the like?

-Rolf



On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in...

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Some
mb porn:

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20019.jpg

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/Rolf%20031.jpg

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/gwagen-flywheel.jpg

The FSM chart :

http://www.winmutt.com/images/benz/w123%20clutch%20upgrade/w123_clutch_pressure_plate_codes.png

I really wish the EPC came with dimensions at least :D

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm shoe-horning a 617 in a Mitsubishi Mightymax.
I've got a CMM at my disposal for measuring, and quite frankly I don't trust
a cad model I haven't made when $200 of aluminum is at stake..
What's the going rate for the GD flywheel from dealership?
I had looked in the epc and found the same 617..05 part number as before.

I'm going for torque and fuel economy, so if the revs take a small hit
that's ok with me. And a larger clutch would be nice...

Walt

On Sep 28, 2010 1:23 PM, "Rolf" wrote:

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the flyheel
face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one piece
flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad drawing but
its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is remarkable different, I
would use that in a truck any day of the week. What kind of project are you
doing with the truck? om617 in a ford or the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in...

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?


Thanks! That is precisely what I thought.

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:53 PM, Rich Thomas wrote:
The mass distribution will change the rotational inertia of the 
flywheel, and torque = inertia x angular acceleration (t=I*alpha), so 
the more inertia (with the mass further out from the axis) for the 
same torque will result in lower angular (rotational) acceleration of 
the rotating mass.


--R

On 9/28/2010 2:41 PM, Rolf wrote:
602? I find that difficult to believe. I am pretty sure the bolt 
pattern is different. Dropnosky on STD adapted a 201 trans to a 616 
and he had to adjust the length on the input shaft (ps hes got 10k 
miles on that 5spd now without issue). Re torque, I mostly meant 
applied torque, eg starting on a hill. However I have a question some 
physics major, does placement of mass change torque? The D and GD 
flywheels are the same size externally but on the GD this mass is all 
at the edge where the D has more mass evenly from the center out.


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:07 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 
53310 wrote:

Just playing around on EPC, for a 615 engine, there are more than a few
different flywheels available, with part numbers starting with 115, 
615,

617, 602, and 102.  Sounds like any manual transmission MB from the 70s
or 80s will have a flywheel that will mate up to a 617 (or a 615).

Also begs the question of whether or not an OM602 or 603 would bolt up
to a manual transmission from a 123 car.

Perhaps one with greater EPC skills than I can tease out that
information.

-Max

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could 
measure?


I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
piece flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad
drawing but its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is
remarkable different, I would use that in a truck any day of the week.
What kind of project are you doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or
the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find

it.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf   wrote:


Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel
sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff

now.

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123
manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered

cars).

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:


Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but
I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently
resides in to do it.
I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers,
and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness
from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt
circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to
the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

There are two flywheels for the GD I think, one for the NA and one for 
the turbo. The NA is the same and the turbo is a larger clutch. This is 
all IIRC, it has been ~2 years. I paid ~1200 for the larger flywheel 
clutch and pressure plate from MB Classic Parts. Talk to Tom he is 
really cool. I lost ~10? %  but turbo lag is down during shifting, 
engine is smoother (than 240d) and I can get up car ramps so much easier 
now (or start up hills). The larger clutch is worlds different. Also 
there were quite a number of different clamping pressure plates 
available. The GD is the biggest flywheel you can find for the 617, the 
v8's had a larger one but I think (has to be) the bellhousing on those 
trans is larger as well. The FSM covers all these in detail.


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:44 PM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm shoe-horning a 617 in a Mitsubishi Mightymax.
I've got a CMM at my disposal for measuring, and quite frankly I don't trust
a cad model I haven't made when $200 of aluminum is at stake..
What's the going rate for the GD flywheel from dealership?
I had looked in the epc and found the same 617..05 part number as before.

I'm going for torque and fuel economy, so if the revs take a small hit
that's ok with me. And a larger clutch would be nice...

Walt

On Sep 28, 2010 1:23 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the flyheel
face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one piece
flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad drawing but
its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is remarkable different, I
would use that in a truck any day of the week. What kind of project are you
doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or the like?

-Rolf



On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
   

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in...
 

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

The mass distribution will change the rotational inertia of the 
flywheel, and torque = inertia x angular acceleration (t=I*alpha), so 
the more inertia (with the mass further out from the axis) for the same 
torque will result in lower angular (rotational) acceleration of the 
rotating mass.


--R

On 9/28/2010 2:41 PM, Rolf wrote:
602? I find that difficult to believe. I am pretty sure the bolt 
pattern is different. Dropnosky on STD adapted a 201 trans to a 616 
and he had to adjust the length on the input shaft (ps hes got 10k 
miles on that 5spd now without issue). Re torque, I mostly meant 
applied torque, eg starting on a hill. However I have a question some 
physics major, does placement of mass change torque? The D and GD 
flywheels are the same size externally but on the GD this mass is all 
at the edge where the D has more mass evenly from the center out.


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:07 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 
53310 wrote:

Just playing around on EPC, for a 615 engine, there are more than a few
different flywheels available, with part numbers starting with 115, 615,
617, 602, and 102.  Sounds like any manual transmission MB from the 70s
or 80s will have a flywheel that will mate up to a 617 (or a 615).

Also begs the question of whether or not an OM602 or 603 would bolt up
to a manual transmission from a 123 car.

Perhaps one with greater EPC skills than I can tease out that
information.

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
piece flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad
drawing but its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is
remarkable different, I would use that in a truck any day of the week.
What kind of project are you doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or
the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find

it.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf   wrote:


Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel
sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff

now.

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123
manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered

cars).

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:


Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but
I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently
resides in to do it.
I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers,
and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness
from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt
circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to
the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I'm shoe-horning a 617 in a Mitsubishi Mightymax.
I've got a CMM at my disposal for measuring, and quite frankly I don't trust
a cad model I haven't made when $200 of aluminum is at stake..
What's the going rate for the GD flywheel from dealership?
I had looked in the epc and found the same 617..05 part number as before.

I'm going for torque and fuel economy, so if the revs take a small hit
that's ok with me. And a larger clutch would be nice...

Walt

On Sep 28, 2010 1:23 PM, "Rolf"  wrote:

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the flyheel
face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one piece
flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad drawing but
its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is remarkable different, I
would use that in a truck any day of the week. What kind of project are you
doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>
> I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in...
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

602? I find that difficult to believe. I am pretty sure the bolt pattern 
is different. Dropnosky on STD adapted a 201 trans to a 616 and he had 
to adjust the length on the input shaft (ps hes got 10k miles on that 
5spd now without issue). Re torque, I mostly meant applied torque, eg 
starting on a hill. However I have a question some physics major, does 
placement of mass change torque? The D and GD flywheels are the same 
size externally but on the GD this mass is all at the edge where the D 
has more mass evenly from the center out.


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 02:07 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

Just playing around on EPC, for a 615 engine, there are more than a few
different flywheels available, with part numbers starting with 115, 615,
617, 602, and 102.  Sounds like any manual transmission MB from the 70s
or 80s will have a flywheel that will mate up to a 617 (or a 615).

Also begs the question of whether or not an OM602 or 603 would bolt up
to a manual transmission from a 123 car.

Perhaps one with greater EPC skills than I can tease out that
information.

-Max

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
piece flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad
drawing but its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is
remarkable different, I would use that in a truck any day of the week.
What kind of project are you doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or
the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
   

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
 
   

problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find
 

it.
   

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf   wrote:

 

Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel
sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff
   

now.
   

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123
manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered
   

cars).
   

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

   

Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but
 
   

I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently
resides in to do it.
I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers,
and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness
from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt
circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to
the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] 300SDL sighting and Lust

2010-09-28 Thread Tim C

I dunno, picture the scene: well-dressed young man randomly follows
you into the fuel station, is driving a nice E320, starts talking to
you, tells you he is a lawyer and has some kind of used-car fetish,
and asks if you want to sell your car.  In the situation I'd probably
have asked $20K, and my paint job looks like it sat under a tree for
ten years. :)

-Tim

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin  wrote:
>  That guy is on crack.
>
> On 9/27/2010 12:00 PM, Donald Snook wrote:
>>
>> I am currently driving out in Western, KS on my way to Dodge City. I just
>> saw a beautiful 126 SDL.  The driver pulled into a filling Station, so I
>> decided to stop and ask him if he wanted to sell his car.  It turns out he
>> has two of them. One has over 500,000 miles and he is keeping it. He wants
>> to sell the one he is driving. It just got a $3500 paint job, he has done
>> everything including new head, timing chain, etc. It was a beautiful car. It
>> was the silver color (but not Silver like you normally think of). I don't
>> know what they call it.
>>
>> Car had 170,000 miles. It was an '86.  I would love to buy it. But, he
>> told me his price was $12,000.  So, I gave him my card, told him it was very
>> nice and for him to call me when the price came down. Boy, I wish I had one,
>> but $12K is way too high for me.
>>
>> Don Snook
>> 1995 MB E320 92k miles
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Just playing around on EPC, for a 615 engine, there are more than a few
different flywheels available, with part numbers starting with 115, 615,
617, 602, and 102.  Sounds like any manual transmission MB from the 70s
or 80s will have a flywheel that will mate up to a 617 (or a 615).

Also begs the question of whether or not an OM602 or 603 would bolt up
to a manual transmission from a 123 car.

Perhaps one with greater EPC skills than I can tease out that
information.

-Max 

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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Rolf
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 1:25 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the
flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one
piece flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad
drawing but its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is
remarkable different, I would use that in a truck any day of the week. 
What kind of project are you doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or
the like?

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new 
> adapter plate for my truck.
>
> The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to 
> pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a

> problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same 
> though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.
>
> Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the 
> bolt circle diameter, there's one down.
>
> I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find
it.
>
> Walt
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
>
>> Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on 
>> superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel 
>> sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff
now.
>>
>> Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 
>> manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered
cars).
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>> On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>  
>>> Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but

>>> I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently 
>>> resides in to do it.
>>> I
>>> found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is 
>>> incomplete.
>>>
>>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, 
>>> and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness 
>>> from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt 
>>> circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to 
>>> the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.
>>>
>>> Much thanks to anyone who helps,
>>>
>>> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond

You're in NJ right? Why scrounge up parts when you could have a whole car? Free 
for the taking, Winchendon, MA!

-Curt

Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:44:26 -0400
From: Jaime Kopchinski 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could
    measure?
Message-ID:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Just checked on 617 030 00 05, still available through MB.

I'm running a 240D flywheel now.  The trans has some issues.  If I'm
going to pull it all out to replace the trans, I think I'd like to get
a "correct" flywheel to do the job right.  Need to find a good trans
too.  I suspect I'll gather up the motivation to do all this before it
gets too cold!

Jaime

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Curt Raymond

Hey Walt,

I've got a half parted out 240D with a 4spd manual and bad engine free for the 
taking. I'd like to keep the wheels but you could use them long enough to get 
it onto a trailer or borrow and return would be fine too.

-Curt

Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:48:43 -0400
From: Rolf 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could
    measure?
Message-ID: <4ca2004b.1010...@winmutt.com>
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Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on 
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel 
sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 manuals 
trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
> Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.
>
> I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I don't
> care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it. I
> found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
> incomplete.
>
> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and feels
> up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
> mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
> center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
> surface from the face of the lip.
>
> Much thanks to anyone who helps,
>
> Walt

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

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Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV


America does not live in reality, it lives in reality TV.

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:04 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Who needs reality TV, we have reality...

Walt, who only ever watches Futurama anymore...

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Rolf  wrote:
   

We've been without cable(sattelite) for a year and don't miss a minute. Even
when you pay hundreds of dollars for cable you still end up flipping through
the whole spectrum without finding anything to watch. And most of its
rubbish anyways. Mostly I got tired of paying to watch commercials to
support tv, commercials paid for by products that I already by anyways.
Idiotic circle if you ask me. If I pay for something don't sell me any ads.
Atleast try to minimize it. I know that the last mile is the most expensive
part but really the technology these days makes maintenance so low cost.

We have netflix and hulu and pretty much only watch PBS these days. Outside
of the mcneil leherer news hour there is something always on for me and the
kids. One pbs station I dont get has 24kids channel and 2 regular other
subcarriers. Really wish we got that station. I need a pretty big antenna to
get it, last vhf (uhf?) station in the area that broadcasts.

Amazingly enough instead of watching tv we actually interact with each other
and save the tv for the "good stuff".

Of course if you like reality TV shows then maybe cable is your best choice.

-Rolf

On 09/26/2010 07:47 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
 

I'm growing tired of forking over $$$ to the cable company every month
when I only watch about 10% of the chanels available.

The last straw was that they've decided they're going to encode all the
channels, so I'm going to need another damn box and remote just to watch
TV.  They say it is to enhance their service, but I suspect the real
reason is to combat piracy and to track what people are watching so they
can sell this data to marketing companies.

I'm thinking of going back to over-the-air (OTA) TV.  I'm in a fringe
area, so I'd need a roof mast if not a tower.  Looks like $100 would buy
a good HD antenna, which would be offset in one month after canceling
cable.

Unknown costs for a mast or tower.  Anyone have experience with this?

Here's a tower for sale close to me, is this price high, decent?

   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160469554963

Allan

   


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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

The 300GD is available however, having used all three on the 617, the GD 
is the smoothest, most torque but slowest (not sure if its the increase 
clutch size or what). 240D (least smooth/torque but faster/quicker rev) 
flywheels are easy to come by used. 300D can be found used if you look 
in the right places. I found the 300D flywheels usually went for ~ new 
pricing.


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 01:33 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

At last check both 240D and 300D fly wheels were NLA.  Perhaps I'll ask again.

Jaime


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310  wrote:
   

Has anyone checked with Rusty to see what the price for a new one is?  Part
number is 617 030 00 05 according to the EPC.

-Max

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On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I've been looking for a manual trans flywheel for a 617 for a while now.  If
you find one, let me know!

Jaime

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
 

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
   

Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel
sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123
manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
 

Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but
I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently
resides in to do it.
I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers,
and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness
from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt
circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to
the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

At last check both 240D and 300D fly wheels were NLA.  Perhaps I'll ask again.

Jaime


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:11 PM, Dillon, Meade M CIV
SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310  wrote:
> Has anyone checked with Rusty to see what the price for a new one is?  Part
> number is 617 030 00 05 according to the EPC.
>
> -Max
>
> -Original Message-
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
> On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski
> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:51 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?
>
> I've been looking for a manual trans flywheel for a 617 for a while now.  If
> you find one, let me know!
>
> Jaime
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
>> I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
>> adapter plate for my truck.
>>
>> The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
>> pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
>> problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
>> though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.
>>
>> Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
>> bolt circle diameter, there's one down.
>>
>> I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
>>> Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
>>> superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel
>>> sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.
>>>
>>> Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123
>>> manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).
>>>
>>> -Rolf
>>>
>>> On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.
>>>>
>>>> I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but
>>>> I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently
>>>> resides in to do it.
>>>> I
>>>> found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
>>>> incomplete.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers,
>>>> and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness
>>>> from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt
>>>> circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to
>>>> the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.
>>>>
>>>> Much thanks to anyone who helps,
>>>>
>>>> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] M116 engine diagram

Email launching shortly, screen shots from EPC.

I had two choices: M116.960, or .962.  I picked .960 - let me know if
that's wrong and I'll get the .962 images for you.

-Max 

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Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 10:03 AM
To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: [MBZ] M116 engine diagram

Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the intake manifold and stuff
above it for the M116  that you could email to me?  This is for a 85
380SL.  Thanks

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I am 99.9% certain that the 300d and 240d use the same part for the 
flyheel face, it is the outter ring that is different. They are not one 
piece flywheels. One of the guys on std probably already has said cad 
drawing but its always fun to do your own. The 300gd flywheel is 
remarkable different, I would use that in a truck any day of the week. 
What kind of project are you doing with the truck?  om617 in a ford or 
the like?


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
   

Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel sitting
around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 manuals trans
and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
 

Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I
don't
care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it.
I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
feels
up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

You can buy them from the stealership. Atleast the GD one which a bigger 
clutch than stock. Really not much of a need for it, the 617 revs so 
much better with the 616 flywheel.


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 12:50 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote:

I've been looking for a manual trans flywheel for a 617 for a while
now.  If you find one, let me know!

Jaime

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
   

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
 

Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel sitting
around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.

Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 manuals trans
and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).

-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
   

Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I
don't
care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it.
I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
feels
up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Has anyone checked with Rusty to see what the price for a new one is?  Part
number is 617 030 00 05 according to the EPC.

-Max 

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 12:51 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I've been looking for a manual trans flywheel for a 617 for a while now.  If
you find one, let me know!

Jaime

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
> I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new 
> adapter plate for my truck.
>
> The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to 
> pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a 
> problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same 
> though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.
>
> Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the 
> bolt circle diameter, there's one down.
>
> I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.
>
> Walt
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
>> Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on 
>> superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel 
>> sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.
>>
>> Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 
>> manuals trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>> On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but 
>>> I don't care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently 
>>> resides in to do it.
>>> I
>>> found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is 
>>> incomplete.
>>>
>>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, 
>>> and feels up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness 
>>> from the crank mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt 
>>> circle diameter from center point of bolt holes, and the depth to 
>>> the pressure plate mating surface from the face of the lip.
>>>
>>> Much thanks to anyone who helps,
>>>
>>> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors

2010-09-28 Thread WILTON

Mars Bluff?

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: "Walt Zarnoch" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 9:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors

I'm not seeing a Mars Hill in SC, there's one in NC though. Same one?

Walt, who had some weird dreams after reading the criticality accident
page last night...

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when. Fortunately it did 
not

go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from
the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My
Line though).

--R

On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Allan Streib wrote:

I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying? Other than
"a really big bomb"

Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were
carrying.
You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you 
can

see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all
you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with
some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway 
if

it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the
ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I've been looking for a manual trans flywheel for a 617 for a while
now.  If you find one, let me know!

Jaime

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 11:02 AM, Walt Zarnoch  wrote:
> I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
> adapter plate for my truck.
>
> The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
> pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
> problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
> though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.
>
> Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
> bolt circle diameter, there's one down.
>
> I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.
>
> Walt
>
> On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
>> Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
>> superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel sitting
>> around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.
>>
>> Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 manuals trans
>> and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).
>>
>> -Rolf
>>
>> On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I
>>> don't
>>> care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it.
>>> I
>>> found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
>>> incomplete.
>>>
>>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
>>> feels
>>> up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
>>> mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
>>> center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
>>> surface from the face of the lip.
>>>
>>> Much thanks to anyone who helps,
>>>
>>> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed

2010-09-28 Thread Allan Streib

I think EVERYTHING is known to cause cancer in California.  Maybe except 
marijuana.

I usually use gloves (nitrile -- they are more resistant to solvents than 
latex) but more to keep my hands clean than any real concern about getting 
cancer from grease.

Allan


On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:52 -0400, "Rolf"  wrote:
> If that is the flexx gun its not 100% needed. You can use the funnel 
> trick, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvBXU54cWYs
> 
> The way I saw it done in another video (mb specific) was to start with 
> the narrow end of the boot towards the base of the cone.
> 
> PS in that video he has lots of waht looks like molybide grease on his 
> hands, known to cause cancer in the great state of kalifornia (its 
> pretty serious stuff always use gloves!).
> 
> -Rolf
> 
> On 09/27/2010 02:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
> > Fresh off the success of replacing the driveshaft carrier bearing and flex 
> > disks, I now have the passenger side inner CV joint slinging oil around 
> > under the car.
> >
> > Has anyone tried the boot and tool described here?
> >
> >http://www.dieselgiant.com/mercedesaxleshaftbootreplace.htm
> >
> > Does anyone actually HAVE the tool and would be willing to loan/rent it to 
> > me?
> >
> > Allan
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV

Who needs reality TV, we have reality...

Walt, who only ever watches Futurama anymore...

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Rolf  wrote:
> We've been without cable(sattelite) for a year and don't miss a minute. Even
> when you pay hundreds of dollars for cable you still end up flipping through
> the whole spectrum without finding anything to watch. And most of its
> rubbish anyways. Mostly I got tired of paying to watch commercials to
> support tv, commercials paid for by products that I already by anyways.
> Idiotic circle if you ask me. If I pay for something don't sell me any ads.
> Atleast try to minimize it. I know that the last mile is the most expensive
> part but really the technology these days makes maintenance so low cost.
>
> We have netflix and hulu and pretty much only watch PBS these days. Outside
> of the mcneil leherer news hour there is something always on for me and the
> kids. One pbs station I dont get has 24kids channel and 2 regular other
> subcarriers. Really wish we got that station. I need a pretty big antenna to
> get it, last vhf (uhf?) station in the area that broadcasts.
>
> Amazingly enough instead of watching tv we actually interact with each other
> and save the tv for the "good stuff".
>
> Of course if you like reality TV shows then maybe cable is your best choice.
>
> -Rolf
>
> On 09/26/2010 07:47 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
>>
>> I'm growing tired of forking over $$$ to the cable company every month
>> when I only watch about 10% of the chanels available.
>>
>> The last straw was that they've decided they're going to encode all the
>> channels, so I'm going to need another damn box and remote just to watch
>> TV.  They say it is to enhance their service, but I suspect the real
>> reason is to combat piracy and to track what people are watching so they
>> can sell this data to marketing companies.
>>
>> I'm thinking of going back to over-the-air (OTA) TV.  I'm in a fringe
>> area, so I'd need a roof mast if not a tower.  Looks like $100 would buy
>> a good HD antenna, which would be offset in one month after canceling
>> cable.
>>
>> Unknown costs for a mast or tower.  Anyone have experience with this?
>>
>> Here's a tower for sale close to me, is this price high, decent?
>>
>>   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160469554963
>>
>> Allan
>>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

I'm creating a cad model of the flywheel to aid in making the new
adapter plate for my truck.

The 616 flywheel is thinner than the 617 one is, so the lip to
pressure plate measurement would be off a few cm. That's not too big a
problem though. The bolt face to crank face dim should be the same
though, since the same bolts are used between the 616 and 617.

Just remembered I can measure off of the crank on the 616 to get the
bolt circle diameter, there's one down.

I'll scout around on the inner-tubes some more and see if I can find it.

Walt

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Rolf  wrote:
> Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on
> superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel sitting
> around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.
>
> Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 manuals trans
> and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).
>
> -Rolf
>
> On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:
>>
>> Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.
>>
>> I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I
>> don't
>> care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it.
>> I
>> found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
>> incomplete.
>>
>> If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and
>> feels
>> up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
>> mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
>> center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
>> surface from the face of the lip.
>>
>> Much thanks to anyone who helps,
>>
>> Walt
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Re: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed

If that is the flexx gun its not 100% needed. You can use the funnel 
trick, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvBXU54cWYs


The way I saw it done in another video (mb specific) was to start with 
the narrow end of the boot towards the base of the cone.


PS in that video he has lots of waht looks like molybide grease on his 
hands, known to cause cancer in the great state of kalifornia (its 
pretty serious stuff always use gloves!).


-Rolf

On 09/27/2010 02:29 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

Fresh off the success of replacing the driveshaft carrier bearing and flex 
disks, I now have the passenger side inner CV joint slinging oil around under 
the car.

Has anyone tried the boot and tool described here?

   http://www.dieselgiant.com/mercedesaxleshaftbootreplace.htm

Does anyone actually HAVE the tool and would be willing to loan/rent it to me?

Allan
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

Can I ask why (making your own?)? If no one here can answer ask on 
superturbodiesel.com, someone there is bound to have a 240 flywheel 
sitting around. I did and sold it to somone. Only have 201/124 stuff now.


Those measurements are going to be the same on any of the w123 manuals 
trans and the manual trans in the Gwagen (om61x powered cars).


-Rolf

On 09/28/2010 09:26 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I don't
care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it. I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and feels
up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV

We've been without cable(sattelite) for a year and don't miss a minute. 
Even when you pay hundreds of dollars for cable you still end up 
flipping through the whole spectrum without finding anything to watch. 
And most of its rubbish anyways. Mostly I got tired of paying to watch 
commercials to support tv, commercials paid for by products that I 
already by anyways. Idiotic circle if you ask me. If I pay for something 
don't sell me any ads. Atleast try to minimize it. I know that the last 
mile is the most expensive part but really the technology these days 
makes maintenance so low cost.


We have netflix and hulu and pretty much only watch PBS these days. 
Outside of the mcneil leherer news hour there is something always on for 
me and the kids. One pbs station I dont get has 24kids channel and 2 
regular other subcarriers. Really wish we got that station. I need a 
pretty big antenna to get it, last vhf (uhf?) station in the area that 
broadcasts.


Amazingly enough instead of watching tv we actually interact with each 
other and save the tv for the "good stuff".


Of course if you like reality TV shows then maybe cable is your best choice.

-Rolf

On 09/26/2010 07:47 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

I'm growing tired of forking over $$$ to the cable company every month
when I only watch about 10% of the chanels available.

The last straw was that they've decided they're going to encode all the
channels, so I'm going to need another damn box and remote just to watch
TV.  They say it is to enhance their service, but I suspect the real
reason is to combat piracy and to track what people are watching so they
can sell this data to marketing companies.

I'm thinking of going back to over-the-air (OTA) TV.  I'm in a fringe
area, so I'd need a roof mast if not a tower.  Looks like $100 would buy
a good HD antenna, which would be offset in one month after canceling
cable.

Unknown costs for a mast or tower.  Anyone have experience with this?

Here's a tower for sale close to me, is this price high, decent?

   http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160469554963

Allan
   



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Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line

2010-09-28 Thread Rusty Cullens


Your VIN is actually WDBGB34E4NA060248
The part number is 603 180 38 30, your cost is $222.00



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- Original Message - 
From: "Kaleb C. Striplin" 

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line


 WDBGA34E4NA060248

On 9/27/2010 6:26 PM, buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote:

I need the complete VIN



Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless handheld

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Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:17:39
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line

   well how much are you going to rape me for one of them expensive
things?

On 9/27/2010 11:06 AM, Rusty Cullens wrote:

Or buy a new one from Rusty?



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- Original Message - From: "John Reames"

To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] 603 turbo oil line



Why don't you take it to a local hydraulic hose rebuilder?

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On Sep 25, 2010, at 23:37, OK Don  wrote:


Splice in some hydraulic hose, keeping the two ends?

On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin
wrote:


Does anybody have a turbo oil supply line for a 603 3.5?  Im
putting my
140 back together and need one, mine got damaged on removal.
I pulled one
from a 3.0 603 and its different.

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Re: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed

2010-09-28 Thread Allan Streib

I know it has failed just in the past couple of days because there was no sign 
of oil on the boot last weekend when I did the driveshaft work, so I'm hoping 
it's not too dirty yet.

Allan


On Tue, 28 Sep 2010 13:01 +, pm7...@comcast.net wrote:
> Usually , when you notice a failed boot it has already contaminated the
> joint with crap and it will have a short life thereafter. Dr. Booth
> recommended used parts over rebuilt as the failure rate on factory joints
> is very low. 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Peter Arnold 
> 
> Windsor, CT 
> 

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Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors


Oops my bad -- Mars Bluff (I knew it was Mars something)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Bluff,_South_Carolina

http://www.scetv.org/index.php/carolina_stories/show/incident_at_mars_bluff/

--R

On 9/28/2010 9:30 AM, Walt Zarnoch wrote:

I'm not seeing a Mars Hill in SC, there's one in NC though. Same one?

Walt, who had some weird dreams after reading the criticality accident
page last night...

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rich Thomas
  wrote:
   

A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when.  Fortunately it did not
go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from
the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My
Line though).

--R

On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
 

Allan Streib wrote:

   

I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying?  Other than
"a really big bomb"
 

Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were
carrying.
You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can
see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all
you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with
some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if
it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the
ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A

I'm thinking the Dale did all flavors. 


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- Original Message - 
From: "Rich Thomas"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 8:38:30 AM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A 

Was Dale a looser? 

--R 

On 9/26/2010 8:34 PM, Peter T. Arnold wrote: 
> BTDT x8 
> 
> Yes, I have the shirt! 
> 
> It's a lifesavor, Much like Mobile1 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> "You win some, You loose some and You wreck some! 
> 
> -Dale Earnhardt- 
> 
> 

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[MBZ] M116 engine diagram

Does anyone have an exploded diagram of the intake manifold and stuff 
above it for the M116  that you could email to me?  This is for a 85 
380SL.  Thanks


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Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV

Very happy here with Vontage Phone. 



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- Original Message - 
From: "Larry T"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 8:35:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV 

Hi Greg, 
I also have my services with Comcast (Va) -- high speed internet, basic 
digital cable TV with HD on one set, phone which runs about $160/mo. 

Happy with all except phone - Verizon was more stable with fewer faults. 

LarryT 
91 300D 

"In God We Trust" 

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From: "Greg Fiorentino"  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:04 PM 
To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'"  
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV 

> My daughter says that with Comcast, basic cable + internet is a bit 
> cheaper 
> than internet alone. 
> 
> Greg 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] 
> On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch 
> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:50 PM 
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV 
> 
> If the price of net is less than net+cable, you still win. ;) 
> 
> Walt 
> 
> On Sep 27, 2010 1:25 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote: 
> 
> I probably will try one of the homebrew antennas first, though I do place 
> some value on my time and spending half a day building an antenna vs. 
> buying 
> one for $100 gets close to a wash for me. 
> 
> I do want to be able to watch broadcast TV for the major sports events, 
> and 
> really that's about all. News I can read online, don't need TV for that. 
> 
> It's just more and more annoying that I have to pay Comcast for content 
> that's about 1/3 advertising and most of which I never watch at all. 
> 
> Internet is going to be a big issue if this seems otherwise workable. 
> Comcast is currently my only option for broadband, and they jack up the 
> price on internet if it's not bundled with a TV subscription. 
> 
> Allan 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:14 -0400, "Tim C"  wrote: 
>> We've gone 100% digital source,... 
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Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors

I'm not seeing a Mars Hill in SC, there's one in NC though. Same one?

Walt, who had some weird dreams after reading the criticality accident
page last night...

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:44 AM, Rich Thomas
 wrote:
> A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when.  Fortunately it did not
> go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got nada from
> the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies from What's My
> Line though).
>
> --R
>
> On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>>
>> Allan Streib wrote:
>>
>>> I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying?  Other than
>>> "a really big bomb"
>>
>> Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were
>> carrying.
>> You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you can
>> see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one where all
>> you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at a door with
>> some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them onto the runway if
>> it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't leave a plane in the
>> ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board.
>>
>> Mitch.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV

Correct in Connecticut 


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- Original Message - 
From: "Greg Fiorentino"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 7:04:21 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV 

My daughter says that with Comcast, basic cable + internet is a bit cheaper 
than internet alone. 

Greg 

-Original Message- 
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] 
On Behalf Of Walt Zarnoch 
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 12:50 PM 
To: Mercedes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: OTA HDTV 

If the price of net is less than net+cable, you still win. ;) 

Walt 

On Sep 27, 2010 1:25 PM, "Allan Streib"  wrote: 

I probably will try one of the homebrew antennas first, though I do place 
some value on my time and spending half a day building an antenna vs. buying 
one for $100 gets close to a wash for me. 

I do want to be able to watch broadcast TV for the major sports events, and 
really that's about all. News I can read online, don't need TV for that. 

It's just more and more annoying that I have to pay Comcast for content 
that's about 1/3 advertising and most of which I never watch at all. 

Internet is going to be a big issue if this seems otherwise workable. 
Comcast is currently my only option for broadband, and they jack up the 
price on internet if it's not bundled with a TV subscription. 

Allan 



On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:14 -0400, "Tim C"  wrote: 
> We've gone 100% digital source,... 
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[MBZ] W140 project

2010-09-28 Thread Mitch Haley


http://lansing.craigslist.org/cto/1972752238.html

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[MBZ] Anyone have a 617 manual flywheel they could measure?

2010-09-28 Thread Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310

Hello all, I've got a small favor to ask.

I'm trying to get the measurements for the manual om617 flywheel,but I don't
care to pull the engine out of the truck it currently resides in to do it. I
found a few dimensions in the engine service manual, but the set is
incomplete.

If anyone has an easily accessible flywheel and a set of verniers, and feels
up to the task, the needed measurements are the thickness from the crank
mating surface to the bolt mating surface, the bolt circle diameter from
center point of bolt holes, and the depth to the pressure plate mating
surface from the face of the lip.

Much thanks to anyone who helps,

Walt
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Re: [MBZ] Cheap ATF

Mitch,

Thanks for sharing the discount codes back on the 6th - I finally got
around to using one of them yesterday (BIG40 gets you $40 off $100 or
more), got 12 qts of M1 ATF for $5.75 per qt before tax.  Anybody find a
better deal on M1 ATF?

-Max

-Original Message-
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mitch Haley
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 7:27 AM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Cheap ATF

Those 40% off coupons at Advance Auto are fun.

5 gallons Coastal DexIII/Mercon $45.99
One ACDelco PF457G oil filter$4.62
Bonus code A123$-20.00
6% tax   $1.84

total   $32.45
Fatwallet.com Fatcash rebate$-2.53

Final   $29.92


Not bad for a 5 gallon bucket of Dexron and a Hengst (says Delco on the
box, Hengst-USA on the filter) oil filter for Mom's ecotec. Used half
the bucket to flush the ugly (possibly factory installed) crap out of
the Olds yesterday. I'm embarrassed to admit I drove that thing for two
years before finally changing brake fluid and ATF this month. Got such a
deal on the ATF that 10qts cost me less than the WIX filter and gasket
kit.

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed

Usually , when you notice a failed boot it has already contaminated the joint 
with crap and it will have a short life thereafter. Dr. Booth recommended used 
parts over rebuilt as the failure rate on factory joints is very low. 


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- Original Message - 
From: "harry watkins"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 3:05:54 PM 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed 

Allan, I know the split boots get bad mouthed by some, but I have used one 
on a VW and one on a Camry, both lased many miles and were still good when I 
sold the cars. 

I installed mine on the car with success. It would be a piece of cake with 
the axle off the car. 

If you ever see one and see how it goes together, I think you will be 
impressed. 

I assume they are still available. 

Harry 
86 300 SDL 

- Original Message - 
From: "Allan Streib"  
To: "Mercedes Discussion List"  
Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 1:29 PM 
Subject: [MBZ] It never ends... W123 CV boot failed 


> Fresh off the success of replacing the driveshaft carrier bearing and flex 
> disks, I now have the passenger side inner CV joint slinging oil around 
> under the car. 
> 
> Has anyone tried the boot and tool described here? 
> 
> http://www.dieselgiant.com/mercedesaxleshaftbootreplace.htm 
> 
> Does anyone actually HAVE the tool and would be willing to loan/rent it to 
> me? 
> 
> Allan 
> -- 
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Re: [MBZ] hey you torrent guys:


I have the CDs somewhere, if you want a copy...

--R

On 9/28/2010 12:00 AM, Dieselhead wrote:
can you point me to a link for a 107 380SL fsm cd download?  All I 
seem to get is pay sites or garbage.  Guess I don't know how to 
navigate that world.  Thanks!



Now I know why I always avoided starting this diagnosis.  I was afraid 
it would take days, and it is.  stupid gassers 


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Re: [MBZ] OT: glow in the dark doors

A little town (Mars Hill) in SC got nuked back when.  Fortunately it did 
not go off, but it messed up a house and the people who owned it got 
nada from the feds (the man of the house did get 2 cartons of Luckies 
from What's My Line though).


--R

On 9/27/2010 10:07 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Allan Streib wrote:


I wonder if the pilots had any idea what they were carrying?  Other than
"a really big bomb"


Don't know about 1945, but ten years later people knew what they were 
carrying.
You know those island runways where a successful landing meant all you 
can see is water in front of you and an unsuccessful landing is one 
where all you can see is water above you? A crew member would stand at 
a door with some critical bomb part (triggers?) ready to chuck them 
onto the runway if it looked like the plane was going swimming. Can't 
leave a plane in the ocean with all the parts of nuke bombs on board.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Borescope WAS: Auto Trans Diagnosis A